Gitmo Detainee Boumediene en Route to France

America is safer today. Can’t you just feel it?

Fascist Hyena:”America is safer today. Can’t you just feel it?”
Actually yes. Our government is no longer disappearing apparently innocent people. The rule of law is returning. It is actually quite a relief.
Right wingers like to believe their stockpile of guns will protect them from government tyranny. On the left, we like to believe requiring our government to actually follow the law will do the trick. It’s a bit less scary day for the left wingers now.

“Right wingers like to believe their stockpile of guns will protect them from government tyranny.”
This kind of tripe passes for thinking among some on the left.
Personally, I cling to the Constitution for protection from government tyranny.

A similar wonderful day was enjoyed in 1924
New York Times headline of December 21, 1924: “Hitler Tamed By Prison; Released on Parole, He Is Expected to Return to Austria.”
The correspondent explains that Hitler, once a demigod for the extreme right, was released on parole from the Landsberg fortress where he had been sent for trying to overthrow the democratic German government in what has come to be known as the Beerhouse Putsch.
“Prison seems to have moderated him. …it was expected that he would abandon public life and return to his native land, Austria.”

Uhh lefties Barack is telling you to look at Gitmo with 200, what is he doing with Bagram?
Keeping the bad guys far away seems a good idea to the rest of us!!

It’s called cognitive dissonance.
In fact, for many people, holding radically opposed positions like being “pro-torture” and “pro-constitution” ultimately lead them to a blind nationalism.
This is why, an effective tool for modifying behavior is to insist that people observe two contradictory commands. If you have two authority figures, one tells you to sit and the other insists you stand, the average person gets stressed (especially if they are fatigued in some way). It induces regression to a childlike dependence on a paternal figure.
This is the chief problem that a lot of folks have with Obama… he does not come off with the same paternalistic, capricious, authority that is conveyed by someone like a Cheney or Bush. It makes them feel unsafe.

“So you support the closing of the Guantanamo Bay prison, whose ONLY reason to exist is to exploit a technical loophole in an attempt to avoid the Constitution.”
Well, there’s also the coincidental reason that it’s a state-of-the-art prison well suited to handle very dangerous terrorists. And it seems the language of the constitution is a “loophole” if it is something dictating a result you don’t like.

First I’ve heard that Boumedienne was “apparently innocent.” I understood that the evidence was deemed by a district judge to be insufficient to hold him for the duration of the hostilities, which is a far different thing. Of course Mr. Obama is holding hundreds of other men at Bagram who, like Boumedienne, have not been charged with a crime. The evidence against some of them may also be insufficient to hold them, although the Obama administration has opposed granting them the right of habeas corpus, in which case that evidence will never be tested.
The rule of law is returning in strange ways…

Meanwhile, Ms. Pelosi is about to be flushed down the tube.

I would encourage all of our allies to take a few detainees into their countries..

In light of some of the rhapsodies being sung here about the return of the rule of law, I think it is important to take a look at what Judge Bates in D.C. had to say about the prisoners to whom Mr. Obama wanted to deny the right of habeas corpus in Bagram:
“Applying the Boumediene factors carefully, the Court concludes that these petitioners are virtually identical to the detainees in Boumediene–they are non-citizens who were (as alleged here) apprehended in foreign lands far from the United States and brought to yet another country for detention. And as in Boumediene, these petitioners have been determined to be ‘enemy combatants,’ a status they contest. Moreover, the process used to make that determination is inadequate and, indeed, significantly less than the Guantanamo detainees in Boumedienereceived. Although the site of detention at Bagram is not identical to that at Guantanamo Bay, the ‘objective degree of control’ asserted by the United States there is not appreciably different than at Guantanamo.”
Give that paragraph your very closest attention: the process by which it was determined that these men were to be held indefinitely without trial was “significantly less” than the process that had been employed to detain Boumediene. Yet Mr. Obama, with his exquisite devotion to our constitution and the rule of law, would not allow them to challenge the basis for their detention in court until ordered to do so by a federal judge. (It is not known whether Mr. Obama will appeal the judge’s ruling.)
Was Mr. Obama relying on a “loophole” in our constitution?
Note further that Judge Bates’s ruling applies to some, but not all, of the Bagram detainees. The remainder of the poor wretches are being denied habeas corpus as we speak.
On what basis does one distinguish Guantanamo from Bagram (other than that Mr. Obama made a campaign promise about the one but not the other)?

Good riddance to bad trash..It’s the French’s problem now..

“It is surprising that quite a few people here find nothing wrong with flimsy evidence being enough to arrest and hold a person for years.”
Take it up with Mr. Obama, Lydia–he’s the one who’s doing the holding now.
You might want to keep in mind that in May, 1945 we had 400,000 German soldiers imprisoned on American soil, many held captive for years. Not one had a right to a trial, a hearing, or even a lawyer. Did they deserve less than Al Qaeda terrorists simply because, unlike terrorists, they wore uniforms and complied with Article IV of the Geneva Convention?

If we are going to get going on human rights and due process.. we may want to take a quick look at crime and punishment of our own citizens.. there are more than 500 that have had little or no representation.. and are not being treated humanely..
I don’t personally have any experience with this.. I’m just assuming that the odds would prevail.

I heard this guy flew coach..in a middle seat..

KMansfield, you obviously haven’t seen SWORN congressional testimonty by Micheal Scheuer, who ran the US rendition program at CIA.
During the Clinton admin, CIA regularly sent AQ suspects to Egypt, Morocco and Syria, where they were tortured. (you know, the beating and electrocution kind) and the former admin DENIES IT.
Scheuer also testified under oath that suspects have NEVER been kidnapped…the host country approved the operation and participated in it.
Get your facts STRAIGHT.

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