By Caitlin Taylor

May 15, 2009 8:14am

The Note, 5/15/2009: Growing Pains — Obama tacks right, Pelosi lashes back, and Dems take on new fights

By RICK KLEIN It wasn’t enough when Democrats were at war with Republicans. Then they started fighting themselves. Now they get to take on the CIA, too. They get to do it facing backwards — undoing (and sometimes redoing) Bush administration policies, rethinking campaign promises, and reviving arguments that they’d rather see dormant. Welcome to the days of Democratic growing pains. As long as they’ve got each other . . . the realities of governing are clashing with the freewheeling days of campaigning — an anti-Bush push that started in 2003, and didn’t end really end cleanly with the inauguration of a Democratic president. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s defiant press conference keeps that story churning through another few news cycles, adding a few twists to the tale. (Keep in mind that she’s accusing the CIA of lying twice over: Once by telling her waterboarding hadn’t been used in her briefing, and again by saying it in last week’s report to Congress that intelligence officials did tell her about the interrogation techniques.)  Hovering above it all is the nation’s newest hawk: President Obama, who continues with a series of decisions that look a bit more like those that would have been made by President Bush than Candidate Obama. (And that have at least the appearance of responding to pressure from his right — to the dismay of those on his left.) Yes, this is cleaning up messes left for the president by his predecessor. But it’s getting messy on Obama’s side of the room. Coming Friday: “White House sources tell ABC News that President Obama will reinstate military commission trials for detainees, with more rights for defendants than the previous administration’s commissions afforded,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reports.  “Many human-rights activists are already saying the announcement today is just a continuation of the Bush policies that Mr. Obama assailed,” Tapper reported on “Good Morning America” Friday.  Obama “will leave unresolved the issue of indefinite detention,” Jon Ward writes in the Washington Times. “The new tribunal process will restore a legal process for suspected and accused terrorists that was used under President Bush but drew considerable criticism from civil liberties and liberal groups.”  Change we can believe in (if only because it solidifies a storyline): “The announcement would follow other moves by Obama that have disappointed his administration’s liberal allies but heartened Bush supporters, including his decisions to withhold photos depicting alleged abuse of detainees by U.S. soldiers and to retain the option of using a limited form of rendition, the practice of turning terrorism suspects over to other countries for questioning,” Julian E. Barnes writes in the Los Angeles Times.  “The new President’s decision was just the latest in a series of steps he has taken that move him decidedly toward the political center on issues of national security. No longer a mere senator representing a single state, Obama is now the commander-in-chief, and his reversal highlights the unique burdens that he alone now shoulders,” Time’s Mark Thompson reports.  “Officials said the Obama administration expects to use revamped commissions not only for some of the roughly 240 current Guantanamo prisoners, but possibly also for some captured in future counterterrorism operations,” The Wall Street Journal’s Jess Bravin and Evan Perez report.  Meanwhile, Pelosi, D-Calif., is hoping the CIA notes and congressional inquiries bear her out. Pelosi’s press conference “dramatically raised the stakes in the growing debate over the Bush administration’s anti-terrorism policies even as it brought troubling new questions about the speaker’s credibility,” Dan Balz writes for The Washington Post. “Pelosi’s performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a reckless act by a politician whose word had been called into question. Perhaps it was both.”    “The speaker’s charges about the CIA’s alleged deception and her shifting accounts of what she knew and when she knew it are likely to add to calls for some kind of independent body to investigate this supercharged issue, though Obama and many members of Congress would like to avoid a wholesale unearthing of the past at a time when their plates are full with pressing concerns,” he writes. The New York Times’ Carl Hulse: “The issue is emerging as one of the toughest tests of Ms. Pelosi’s tenure, as she finds herself fending off accusations of hypocrisy from Republicans for criticizing the interrogation methods, even though she had known about them, and from liberal critics who say that she should have raised the alarm earlier if she knew what was transpiring.”  Pelosi is “escalating a controversy grown to include both political parties, the spy agency and the White House,” the AP’s David Espo writes. “Pelosi’s decision to respond to her critics was something of a surprise, since most polls show Obama and his policies are popular, and Republicans have exhibited virtually nonstop political disarray in the six months since last fall’s elections.”  “Edging ever closer to debating what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is,” Joseph Curl writes in the Washington Times.  “Parsing isn’t pretty, is it?” Melinda Henneberger writes for Politics Daily.  “Nancy Pelosi is a woman of many talents. Yesterday, she performed the delicate art of backtracking while walking sideways,” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank writes.  Any sign this goes away? “With both guns blazing at an extraordinary news conference Thursday, the Democrat from San Francisco made good on that, accusing the CIA of lying when the agency said she was told about torture in 2002,” Carolyn Lochhead writes in the San Francisco Chronicle. “In doing so, Pelosi turned a distraction into a conflagration.” “The news reignited a story that has been dogging Pelosi for weeks, through a surprise trip to Iraq and back, Mother’s Day and the passage of the war supplemental,” Time’s Jay Newton-Small reports. “The Obama Administration this week reversed its decision to release hundreds of photos of detainees being intimidated and tortured in an effort to get away from a subject that is increasingly eating into their media coverage.”  Tracking the fallout — CIA spokesman George Little: “It is not the policy of this agency to mislead the United States Congress.” “It’s outrageous that a member of Congress should call a terror-fighter a liar,” said Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., the vice chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, per ABC News. “It seems the playbook is, blame terror-fighters.”  “I think that there is a question of veracity of her comments today, and if you look at her body language she certainly didn’t look comfortable in what she was saying,” Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., said on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Thursday.  Support among Democrats has been solid, if not spectacular: “After the press conference, eight of the 13 Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee assembled with talking points to back up Pelosi. They said members of Congress, especially those in the minority, have almost no power to change intelligence policies,” The Hill’s Mike Soraghan and Jared Allen report.  House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., asked House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., whether he agrees with Pelosi that the CIA was lying to Congress: “I have no idea of that — don’t have a belief of that nature because I have no basis on which to base such a belief. And I certainly hope that’s not the case. I don’t draw that conclusion,” Hoyer said, per Politico’s Glenn Thrush.  (Former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla. — who got briefings similar to Pelosi’s as top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee, and who’s generally backed up Pelosi’s version of events — is the guest on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Friday, live at noon ET, with me and guest host Jonathan Karl.)

Hello, social issues: “Now, Mr. Obama is suddenly in the thick of the battle he had hoped to transcend, and his delicate balancing act is being put to the test,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times. “The confluence of two events — his commencement speech on Sunday at the University of Notre Dame, in Indiana, and his forthcoming choice of a candidate to replace Justice David H. Souter, who is retiring from the Supreme Court — threaten to upend Mr. Obama’s effort to ‘tamp down some of the anger’ over abortion, as he said in a news conference last month, and to distract from his other domestic priorities, like health care.”  What will 2012 look like, with both Iowa and New Hampshire allowing gay marriage? “Governor John Lynch, appearing to pave the way for same-sex marriages in New Hampshire, announced yesterday that he would sign a bill legalizing the unions as long as the state Legislature made it clearer that religious groups would not be forced to conduct ‘marriage ceremonies that violate their fundamental religious beliefs,’ ” Eric Moscowitz writes in The Boston Globe.  “Lynch’s announcement sets New Hampshire, once viewed as a conservative enclave in a liberal region, on course to become the sixth state in the country — and the fourth in the last six weeks — to allow same-sex couples to marry. It would leave Rhode Island as the sole New England state to prohibit gay marriage.” On the right: “Kevin Smith, the director of Cornerstone Policy Research, said the governor — who has said he believes marriage is between a man and a woman – had employed a ‘smoke screen-religious-liberty-amendment cover to change his mind,’ ” Maddie Hanna writes in the Concord Monitor.  Anyone think he’ll be the last Democrat to flip? “The recent approval of same-sex marriages in Iowa, Vermont, and Maine appears to have triggered a bit of a domino effect in the Democratic Party,” ABC’s David Chalian reports.  Also on your daily agenda: “Karl Rove will be interviewed today as part of a criminal investigation into the firing of U.S. attorneys during the presidency of George W. Bush, according to two sources familiar with the appointment,” The Washington Post’s Carrie Johnson reports. “Rove, a former senior aide to Bush, will be questioned by Connecticut prosecutor Nora R. Dannehy, who was named in September to examine whether former Justice Department and White House officials lied or obstructed justice in connection with the dismissal of federal prosecutors in 2006.”  How’s the momentum going? “Health care leaders who attended the meeting [at the White House] have a different interpretation. They say they agreed to slow health spending in a more gradual way and did not pledge specific year-by-year cuts,” Robert Pear writes in The New York Times.  “Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said ‘the president misspoke’ on Monday and again on Wednesday when he described the industry’s commitment in similar terms. After providing that account, Ms. DeParle called back about an hour later on Thursday and said: ‘I don’t think the president misspoke. His remarks correctly and accurately described the industry’s commitment.’ ” Ron Brownstein is optimistic: “Maneuvers on health care and energy could signal a crucial shift in Washington’s tectonic plates of power. Although disagreements remain on both fronts, each move suggests that key business interests have decided to cut deals with a dominant Democratic Party rather than bet on a weakened Republican Party that is hoping to ride uncompromising opposition to Obama back to power,” Brownstein writes for National Journal.  Jonathan Alter, maybe less so: “A big reform this year is likely, but a half or quarter loaf won’t cut it. If Congress rejects a public option — the only real way to control costs — and Obama goes along, a great moment will have been lost,” Alter writes for Newsweek.  David Brooks, maybe even less so: “They are a collection of worthy but speculative ideas designed to possibly mitigate their effects,” he writes in his New York Times column. “The likely outcome of this year’s health care push is that we will get a medium-size bill that expands coverage to some groups but does relatively little to control costs. In normal conditions, that would be a legislative achievement.”  And Senate Democratic leaders, maybe even less so: “With contentious fights over health care, climate change and Obama’s first Supreme Court pick ahead, some Democratic senators are now convinced that they can’t wade into some of the hot-button social issues their supporters would like them to pursue,” Politico’s Manu Raju reports.  David Sirota isn’t sure whether optimism is warranted: “Obama is a health care mystery, struggling to muster consistent positions on the issue,” Sirota writes in his syndicated column.  New face: “Dr. Paul Farmer, the global health crusader who has crafted lifesaving projects from Haiti to Rwanda, has told colleagues privately that he is mulling a possible appointment by the Obama administration to coordinate the United States’ growing overseas health initiatives,” James F. Smith reports in The Boston Globe.  Another new face: “President Obama will announce on Friday that he has chosen Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the New York City health commissioner, as the next director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” The New York Times reports.  Raise your hand if you didn’t see this coming: “Sen. Arlen Specter said Thursday the ‘prospects are pretty good’ for a compromise on legislation making it easier for workers to form unions,” per the AP’s Kimberly Hefling and Sam Hananel. “Specter had come out against the bill in March, disappointing labor leaders. They had hoped he would be the crucial 60th vote needed to overcome an expected GOP filibuster of the Employee Free Choice Act.”  One fewer fight for Specter, D-Pa.: “The former head of the National Constitution Center Joe Torsella faced up to the political realities of Sen. Specter’s switch to the Democratic Party and announced today that he is ending his candidacy for the United States Senate,” ABC’s David Chalian reports.  Coming up on “This Week”: Is the US safer under Obama? Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., debates Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va. And don’t miss this roundtable: George Will, James Carville, Katrina vanden Heuvel, Steve Schmidt, and Liz Cheney. The Kicker: “First of all, I love ice cream.” — Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., explaining why the junior senator from Nevada would spend a day in Iowa that includes a visit to Wells Blue Bunny Ice Cream Parlor, in Le Mars. “You just lost the carelessly topless demographic.” — NPR’s Peter Sagal, to David Axelrod after the Obama adviser joked that Carrie Prejean was one of two runner-ups to White House dog Bo, at a taping of “Wait, Wait . . . Don’t Tell Me.” Today on “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s daily political Webcast: Former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla.; and blogger Jane Hamsher, of FireDogLake.com. Noon ET.  Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note’s blog . . . all day every day:

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User Comments

Pelosi and other dems have now politicized our national security. We are more vulnerable now than before 9/11 . BO needs to resign.

Posted by: feelingtogetherness | May 15, 2009, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Depends on what the meaning of “breifing” “is” is.

Posted by: feelingtogetherness | May 15, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am

“Yes, this is cleaning up messes left for the president by his predecessor. But it’s getting messy on Obama’s side of the room.”
First of all it was candidiate Obama and some Democrats who vowed to close Gitmo, who more or less charged Bush officials with tortue, were critical of just about everything done for the past several years, playing politics and instead of minding the store as they should have, they allowed crooks to take over and help ruin our econonmy.
Thieves, liars and hypocrites can be always be found in abundance in DC and even more so today.

Posted by: david | May 15, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am

How would have thought that the trio of Pelosi/Cheney/Rove would hijack the news for the weekend?

Posted by: matt | May 15, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

HA HA HA.. it was like watching a cartoon, last night as all 3 networks were in full protection mode for Nancy Pelosi. you guys really should be on Saturday mornings..LoL

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, accomplice to torture | May 15, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am

“Concerning yourselves with ‘Ants on the porch’, when there’s an ‘Elephant urinating in the livingroom!”
The GOP has successfully created “The Master Distraction”, making PELOSI the subject of the discussion, rather than THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION KNOWINGLY COMMITTING THE CRIMINAL ACT OF TORTURE!
(Pelosi is In NO Way complicit in the Crime!!!)
Which subject affects Our Standing in the International community?
The GOP is LITERALLY LAUGHING OUT LOUD. I caught Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) this morning smiling throughout his interview (re: Pelosi) on MSNBC! (I had NEVER seen him smile before.)

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Gop Passing the Buck again this Will Backfire big time on them!

Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 15, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Any Odds Makers out there? Who’s more likely the one (1) to be Convicted of a Crime?
A.) Pelosi for lying (maybe) about what she knew, and when did she know it?
Or, B.) Cheney for approving the use of Torture?

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Did Obama fill Gitmo with prisoners of undetermined guilt? No, he’s the one who has to determine how to try them according to our laws and free the ones that were scooped up accidently (and, by all accounts, there are many in there who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.)
Did Obama use specious arguments to justify the waterboarding of prisoners or encourage the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib? No, he’s trying to perserve our options for dealing with future threats while putting out fires caused by the wrong headed, poorly executed policies of the Bush/Cheney administration.
While I’m not a fan of Nancy Pelosi, I can tell the difference between what Bush/Cheney did and Pelosi’s inability to stop them.(Funny how the Bush people always wanted more authority, but then refuse to be held responsible for the outcome of their actions. They want it both ways: Democrats to go along with their plans, then claiming Democrats should share the blame for their mistakes.)
Obama is acting in an ethical, pragmatic way, and I just wish the Bushies would fade into the dust.

Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 15, 2009, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Considering the so called “changes” concerning the wars which are escalating, considering the current emerging policies concerning enemy combatants and their “fair” treatment, considering the escalating national debt as the result of ineffective bailouts and budget deficits, considering the necessity for huge government spending to affect any change in greenhouse emissions and those being only within the US, not worldwide, considering the moderation now emerging concerning healthcare reform, considering the coverups and lying on the part of the controlling party, considering the home foreclosure rate, the unemployment rate, the trade deficit increases, the GNP decreases it seems our governance under the other party wasn’t so bad after all. And we’re only 4 1/2 months into this new approach to problem solving to benefit the people and our nation.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am

really, mmonroeliveson, how can you listen to Obama speak on any subject whatsoever and not see the difference between his administration and Bush/Cheneys’? For me, its like the end of winter (in Maine) and the start of spring. Buds are popping out on the trees and life feels instantly more joyful. I like my new President and his Vice President.

Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 15, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Bush administrations forced intelligent agencies to contrive excuses for going into Iraq. Later we found out that they lied about WMD and Al Qaeda while a member of the Bin Laden family (friends of the Bush’s) gets away. I haven’t decided if Pelosi is lying yet. I’ll wait for the facts. BUT I know that the people she is accusing of lying, have indeed lied to us before.
President Obama is not pandering to the right for refusing to release photos of those tortured. Contrary to the initial position he held, President Obama has listened and been convinced by his advisors that doing so would inflame anti-american sentiment and place our soldiers in greater danger.
If Bush had the same concern for our American Troops, he would have listened to his advisors who gave a contrary positions to the war in Iraq, or at least have them body armor before sending them to war.

Posted by: catmustea | May 15, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

And the difference between Obama and Bush from my viewpoint way back in Europe is… heck if I know: style?

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | May 15, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

On December 16, 1998 – Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi issued a press release – “As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation pf chemical and bioligical weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Sadam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology..” OKAY – 1998 – you know what she could be right about being lied to – but I don’t think Bush was president – wasn’t clinton president.

Posted by: jamescbuilder | May 15, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

PELOSI could be in Cahoots with Bernie Madoff, or she could be The Pope “in drag.” Either way, would that affect America’s International Standing as the “Leader’s of The Free World?”
How about the affect if America Admitted that We Commit, and Committed the Criminal Act of Torture???

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am

jamescbuilder | May 15, 2009 11:04:25 AM
… “OKAY – 1998 – you know what she could be right about being lied to – but I don’t think Bush was president – wasn’t clinton president.: …
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A feeble and pathetic attempt to build a ’98 Strawman. The Issue at hand relates to the years 2002 and 2003. Get with it!

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

“Nancy Pelosi, accomplice to torture” | May 15, 2009 9:33:23 AM
Cute, but NO Cigar. Your “Cute Name” Accuses Ms. Pelosi of being THE AUTHOR. When she claims unequivocably, she HASN’T EVEN READ THE BOOK! (Accomplice??? You ‘gotta be kidding.)

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

phillysmart | May 15, 2009 11:20:52 AM
“Revenge of the nerds….the malcontens, nerds and down right kooks are running this country …god help us I hope we survive”
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To the contrary… Smart, Honorable and Ethical people are Attempting to run an
Honorable, Ethical, Strong and Caring Country…….. While Those “down right, right wingnut kooks continue their efforts to manipulate the people” for their own selfish aims. And unfortunately the unengaged, uninformed and uneducated continue to get “Caught Up” in those kooks “Evil Web!”

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

We are no longer used to this kind of government transparency! So we now find shocking many things that were commun practices during the 8 years of bushdom.
The business of protecting this Country, while maintaning a standard of morality and responsible transparency of government actions of delicate national security issues is a delicate balance of the President: Commander in Chief and the President: Protector of civil rights.
Let the President do his job! And if you don’t like what he did vote for someone else is 2012! Mean time give the government a chance to do its JOB!
In case the GOP didn’t notice they are no longer the ruling party.

Posted by: grewaconscience | May 15, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am

BobJ and Amy; There is a differnce between Bush and Obama. Obama can lie with a straight face whereas a little grin was always a giveaway with Bush. Obama is also much more eloquent. Both surrounded themselves with characters of ill repute and questionable character. Neither accomplished anything of significance prior to being elected as national leader. The advertised agenda has changed but the goal of re-election is still being put ahead of all else. Has anything actually changed for you other than hope for your personal agenda to be promoted? We’ll see if that happens. He has to play to the middle. Doesn’t reality bite? With so many special interest factions to please, dissent is assured even within his base of rabid followers. Isn’t this fun to watch?

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am

No one is saying she’s the author. She’s just being revealed as an exposed enabler.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

when we consider aborting babies in the womb as legal and not considered torture we are surely kidding ourselves; observe an abortion that are offered in the yellow pages up to 24 weeks and partial birth up to nine months. watch fox news for the entire speech made by nancy pelosi…what a sad bunch we have in washington. our country is going downhill fast. WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE,

Posted by: pat | May 15, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Change occurs slowly in Washington. There’s always power groups to appease, palms to be greased, voter bases to consider and opposition from outside and within to be dealt with. Thank goodness for slow change. Whatever damage is done is usually permanent. A government that has endured for all these years of prosperity doesn’t need a lot of changes.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

mmonroeliveson
I am sorry you hold such a jaded view of Obama. I have had an idealized picture of a President running in my head for years – Mark Warner of VA fits that inner picture for me – but now, when I watch Obama, the fantasy stops, because reality is so much better than what I was conjuring up in my imagination. Is Obama slick? Yeah, he’s slick, slicker than Jimmy Carter, who had the right ideas but not the slickness to control the political aspect. Is he charming and likeable? Yes, just as charming as Bill Clinton without the self destructive bent. But most of all, he is the most ethical, insightful, morally healthy President I have ever seen elected. The Bush/Cheney administration treated the Amnerican people as if WE were the enemy, to be lied to and manipulated. Under their rule, oil companies made record profits and the middle class lost income. You cannot argue that this is not so: the Bush years were bad for our economy, for our environment, our kid’s educations and our reputation abroad. Obama has been in office 100 days, and so far I am delighted with the people he has appointed (an eminent scientist in charge of Energy?! Gates, the one competent guy from Bush’s time in Defense?!) I was pleased by Obama’s reception abroad. I am pleased that Michelle is involved in Washington D.C. schools – boy, do they need attention. Yup, things are looking up because our President is savvy, pragmatic, and all American.

Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 15, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

The KOOKS are at it again, they REFUSE to “stay on point” when they’re “caught off base.”
And monroe behaves like an Illicit Preacher, he starts on one sermon, but when he senses one of his “Big Tithers” discomfort with the sermon……. He completely changes to a DIFFERENT SERMON.
The TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT “THE differnce between Bush and Obama!” Your Intellectual Honesty & Your Authenticity is WEARING THIN!

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Oh its a bad thing and now its a good thing. Great leadership. Guess you learned to keep your mouth shut until all the facts are in. And for Polosi She needs to step down and face charges just as they are trying to do to the last administration. She was a part of it. Bye Bye Nancy and stay in California protecting the frogs.

Posted by: Jim Rod | May 15, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009 12:31:16 PM
… “A government that has endured for all these years of prosperity doesn’t need a lot of changes.” …
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Sorry, but I Wonder why……. The first thought that comes to mind is; You (monroe) endorse Change at a pace that would “still have Our People in bondage on The Plantation!”

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Jim Rod | May 15, 2009 1:02:58 PM
… “And for Polosi She needs to step down and face charges just as they are trying to do to the last administration.” …
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Be careful what you wish for…… Your dream could only be equalled by; THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED THE Criminal Activities Going To Prison!!! Haven’t you ANY Sense……. of justice?

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

bush is trouble maker and obama is the great young leader

Posted by: ardy steve | May 15, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

BobJ; Truth hurts doesn’t it. How’d you ever get so sold out on a Chicago politician? Wanting him to be as wonderful as you’d have him be doesn’t make him wonderful. I will say he’s charismatic. I’ll also say he’s just another politician with a shady background who’s surrounded himself with other politicians with shady backgrounds. Generally speaking, he’s turning out to be less different to his predecessors than a lot of people hoped for. That’s the reality of politics everywhere and that’s the reality of Washington politics in particular. Did you really think he could deliver on the mental pictures his campaign speeches suggested?

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

BobJ; Wake up and smell the coffee. “Our people have been off the plantation for a hundred years.” Obama is a testimony that if we apply ourselves the opportunity to rise to whatever dreams we may aspire to is available and waiting for our arrival. Get off the poor mistreated, underprivileged black man bandwagon and open your eyes. People who choose to live in the inner cities should expect high crime rates, drug trafficing, unemployment, poverty, filth etc. Like the people of Bangladesh shouldn’t expect food in a desert, the people in the inner cities won’t find much opportunity in a ghetto. The key is not to try to turn the ghetto or desert into paradise. The key is to seek opportunity elsewhere. Chicago is aperfect example of what happens when attempts are made to disperse the ghetto people. The ghettos merely expanded out to other areas. It’s the people that make up a ghetto, not the ghetto itself. No one should expect the government to do for them what they can do for themselves. By the way, getting an education that’s available to every American is a positive first step. No vision of success yields no success. Those who have missed the boat sadly have chosen to miss the boat. Today and for the last 50 years opportunity has been limited only by the choices we make.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

“bush is trouble maker and obama is the great young leader” quote by ardy steve…
Interesting how you Democrats attack a President who has been gone for over four months?
I can guess. You’ve got a bunch of communists… er… I mean socialists fighting one another and you are trying to redirect the fight to someone who isn’t here causing any issues.
The truth is that Obama is a young President whose inexperience shows and he is surrounded by incompetent leaders like Pelosi and a collection of secretarys in the cabinet who cannot even pass the smell test on paying their taxes.
The real leader was George Bush, who did stand up and fight for what was right. Now that he is gone and out of the current debates, you still go after him. Pretty revealing insight into how you guys think (or the lack thereof).
I think this string of internal fighting is the best thing I’ve ever seen. The Democrats are showing their true colors now. Have a good time fighting each other while the nation goes down the tubes. Oh yes… you did forget we have a country that needs quality government. Right?

Posted by: Jon | May 15, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

Jon | May 15, 2009 2:13:42 PM
… “Oh yes… you did forget we have a country that needs quality government. Right?” …
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You “Greenhorn, Radical right-edgers” opt for “quality government” as the leadership of limbaugh, cheney, steele or palin. And question the Quality of President Barack Obama’s leadership??? Your Kidding. Right?

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

Oh yeah, the CIA would NEVER lie to us, now would they?

Posted by: JR | May 15, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Isn’t it amazing, the neo-cons want Pelosi to face charges(I’m not sure what those charges would be), but not Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, the people that set up the torture and implemented the torture. Again neo-cons show their complete lack of reality or intelligence.

Posted by: JR | May 15, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

The first step for democrats and USA is to remove Pelosi and the majority leader from their respective positions. They are not trustworthy people. The moment she opens her mouth its full of dirt

Posted by: shivaglal | May 15, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

BobJ; You’re stuck in the ’60′s. There are religious zealots, not soldiers, flying planes into city skyscrapers these days. Welcome to the 21st century. Try to respect our leaders who have found the determination to adapt and thereby keep us safe from those idiots by whatever means was/is necessary.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 15, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

“The GOP has successfully created “The Master Distraction”, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION KNOWINGLY COMMITTING THE CRIMINAL ACT OF TORTURE!
(Pelosi is In NO Way complicit in the Crime!!!)”
Can you believe that any one still believes in Nancy??? I hate to tell this nutjob that Nancy knowing attending six briefings and did not speak out against waterboarding. This should make
Nancy as guilty as Bush. Then, come Nancy’s repeated lies and now, her accusations of a CIA conspiracy against her. My God, help us! Lyin’ Nancy is third in line to be president!!!
“Liberalism” really is a mental disorder.

Posted by: Mihann | May 15, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Mihann | May 15, 2009 4:44:27 PM
Sit quietly and try, as best you can to pull all of your faculties together for this. President Barack Obama, V.P. Joe Biden, Speaker Pelosi, and let’s for the sake of simplicity – say she lied. Now move on to Cheney, GWB, Rumsfield and Rove. And I ask the QUESTION: What Would be the ORDER Of Individuals THAT YOU WOULD SAY are Responsible for the following;
MANIPULATING The Legal Opinion on the International Crime of TORTURE?
And for AUTHORIZING the International Crime of TORTURE? O.K.?
Now, the analysis;
PELOSI LIED:
to “save face”,
because it’s a pathological problem,
because she’s dumb (but smart enough to gain the Speaker position. We know you right edge wingnuts hate her. But again, she’s smart enough to keep you all at bay.)
Or she has a penchant for having the Spy Agency ‘come down’ on her.
Even a “tree stump” knows the CIA reports to the Executive Office, so the President is not picking sides.
Now, let’s say the CIA LIED:
Wouldn’t be the first time,
They do it to protect the Agency,
They do it to protect the Executive Office.
They would be assurred, they would be
kept “above the fray.”
And is the Director of the Agency expected to do anything other than “Defend the name of the Agency?”
Now FOUR (4) pertinent Questions;
1.) Who would have more to gain by LYING?
2.) Based on “what could be gained”, which party has a more Logical reason to LIE?
3.) What, if any affect would PELOSI’s Lying have on The Reputation of America on the International scene?
4.) And How, PRAY TELL would PELOSI’s Guilt or Innocence of LYING, ALTER THE FACT that an International Crime Conspiracy occured, there was an Approval given by the Previous Administration – approving the International Crime of Torture and we committed the Act of Torture on hundreds of occasions!

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Sandy Obu | May 15, 2009 5:42:19 PM
“It is very difficult to define TORTURE by one definition.” Remember, “One Man’s PAIN is another Man’s PLEASURE.”
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Nice, for polite conversation. But the International Standard for TORTURE is a concensus that WAS reached by an International body of Governments. And the agreement reached, specifically OUTLAWS WATERBOARDING and Unequivocably Defines Waterboarding as TORTURE.

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

We’re a nation of cowards. We’re debating each other on how to deal with people that want to kill us. You liberals are too naive to be running anything.

Posted by: Ryan | May 15, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

It seems that the Republican distraction is working because the media focus is shifting away from
the more important point of
Who-Authorized-the-Torture
to
Who-was-told-if-told-at-all.
Demonize Pelosi all they want, but there’d be no controversy without the Bush administration having authorized and implemented “enhanced interrogation techniques” (aka – torture).

Posted by: Giftedroot | May 15, 2009, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

It appears Obama is now asking himself ” What would President Bush do?????”

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | May 15, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Rasputin3.14 | May 15, 2009 6:46:39 PM
“It appears Obama is now asking himself ” What would President Bush do?????”
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Not a “Gnat’s Hair” of a chance. If any consideration of the previous Administration were to come-to-mind EVER, it would most likely be for the purpose of “WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULDN’T DO!!!”

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Ryan | May 15, 2009 6:08:01 PM
“We’re a nation of cowards. We’re debating each other on how to deal with people that want to kill us. You liberals are too naive to be running anything.”
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Sorry Cowboy, sounds like an OVERDOSE of limbaugh, hannity, cheney, rove, newt and palin.
This “liberal” and that’s your name calling there. I always considered myself an Intelligent Independent Moderate.
Besides the point, I always think of Americans as being a Country of Respectful Humanitarians, who are Consistent and True to our word. We are a people who believe in Playing Fair and expect others to do the same. We have High Ethical Standards and High Ideals – which extends Respect to others and demands that we are also Respected by others. We intend to demonstrate, why we should be the Leaders of the Free World, and we also happen to be the Strongest Major Power in The World.
And that ain’t a “Weak Sister”, Cowboy!

Posted by: bobj72 | May 15, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Until these human rights organizations protest the horrible abuses endured by women under Sharia Law (true torture-stoning, lashings, beatings, honor killings), they have no credibility anyway and that includes the ACLU.
Obama is now entering the real world and finding it a dangerous place.

Posted by: pam | May 15, 2009, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

bobj72 translated from gobble-dee-gook to English:
We are a nation of cowards who debate and defend the civil rights of non-citizens of this country who want to kill us.

Posted by: Sam Adams | May 15, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

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