Intelligence Report: Pelosi Briefed on Use of Interrogation Tactics in Sept. ’02

Somebody has some explaining to do.

Waterboard Pelosi. I am sure she will remember then.

Pelosi should resign, immediately. It’s what the Dem’s would have any Repub do if the tables were turned. No free pass, Nan. Buh bye!

The Democrats were afraid to cross Bush? I guess I was reading news from another planet.
Face it, Pelosi and a host of others just plain lied about what they knew. Does that surprise anybody?

Didn’t we already know this?

Pelosi is just like most of the Democrats and Republicans! They will lie and do anything before owning up to their failures. Keeping their office and power is the only agenda they have! Observing and protecting the constitution of this nation is not in their realm of thinking or doing! Money and power is their only motive! The new world order of the Democrats is just as bad as the new world order of Republicans. My family does not trust or believe in any of them. Pelosi is at the top of list for liars and theives!

I’d love it if Pelosi resigned over this. She is part of the problem and needs to go. I’m an Obama voter.

Now you see the truth and the hypocrisy of some of the Democrats. They yelled and yelled and manipulated the American public and the majority of people bought it. How sad the American public was duped.

Pelosi is a liar.!!!

We need term limits NOW !!!

Democrats don’t lie! They just tell a different version of the truth.

“But Bush… He scared us… we HAD to go along or, or….” Aw hell with it! This just shows how corrupt they both are! But as long as we re-elect the same old faces no matter how worse things get… These folks will continue to get away with their crimes and NEVER be held accountable by anyone! As long as we enable them, we are doomed to suffer from their crimes and suffer the fate that they have insulated themselves from on the backs of innocent civillians and the bank accounts of the American taxpaying public.

Perhaps we’ll now see some Republicans finding that maybe there should be prosecutions. I’d say who cares what party they’re in. If they’re complicit in violations of the law, they need to pay. Period.

Look at the bright side. This will pretty much shut up the “charge Bush with war crimes” crowd. Instead of worrying about our former leaders, let’s turn our attention to those who are still in office and continue to lie!

Pelosi needs to resign.

Of course Pelosi is lying, what else would a dishonest politician do?

Why did she make such a big deal of all of this? Why did she not just keep her mouth shut? Did she think the truth would not come out? Who is on the Senate Intelligence Committee? She has made a fool of herself and the Dems. At the very least she needs to step down from her job as Speaker, and give up her private jet. Had she kept her mouth shut we probably would not be talking about this right now. Wasnt she the one that was demanding an investigation? LOL

Let me see if I understand today’s right wing hilarity- Pelosi needs to resign because she received one briefing?
Last week you were all arguing that no one in the Bush Admin should be prosecuted over the actual torture.

Impeach her.

How funny! Now, the liberal socialists are defending Pelosi.
Have they no shame? No sense of what is really wrong? I think not!

” appears to contradict Pelosi’s statement.” nuff said.

C’mon. Give Nancy a break! How could you expect her to remember being briefed about interrogating folks who were planning to blow up a couple of American cities, including, perhaps San Francisco.
I blame Bush.

Pelosi lied? Not possible! Wasn’t this the very day when she had her face yanked up again, those bulging eye balls re-arranged and her brain got lobotomized because she needed a lift on her forehead as well? The woman cannot speak 3 words with any sense and she is way out of her league in the office she holds. She is dumber than a brick!

Republicans waterboarding people is okay. Democrats knowing about it isn’t? The moral corkscrewism required to be a rightwinger in this country gets more unbelievable every day. Here’s a deal. Go after Pelosi, BUT prosecute everyone in the direct line of command who sanctioned waterboarding.

Democrats who back Pelosi should be ashamed of themselves. There is no excuse for this women (at least I think she is a women).

Pelosi is the poster child for democrats, and one of many reasons why their fortunes will plummet faster than the Dow last year. Besides being an idiot, she is nasty, spiteful and unable to collaborate.

I’m a Democrat, and I can’t stand Pelosi. Her obstruction of impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney, her arrogance, and her pursuit of a personal agenda to the detriment of the Party has left be with little good to say about her. If it turns out she lied, and it ends her political career, I won’t shed a single tear for her.

We need a President who is man enough to stand up to Pelosi. Obama certainly isn’t. I’m not sure if he is more afraid of Michelle or Pelosi.

Republican talking points for this month.
1) We should not prosecute ANYONE for torturing. And particularly not the Republican administration. It is traitorous to even suggest it.
2) We should condemn any Democrat who even knew we were using “enhanced interrogation techniques”.
Because knowing about it is immoral and doing it is not?

O C’mon, give her a break. It was just a hiccup. It all depends on what the definition of “intelligence” is and whose “intelligence” you are talking about.

How could anyone feel safe with that senile old lady having any substantial role in national security? She is either lying or she has dementia.

Let’s see. We have Thornberry and others claiming that there was no torture, that any torture was due to rogues, some of whom remain in prison for the use of torture because it was against the law? Of course, we have Cheney claiming that he authorized torture and that it was all good. But, if it was not being used, why did they inform Pelosi that they were using it? If they were using it, why did they put reservists in prison for doing what they were told.
It doesn’t make sense.

“Pelosi is the poster child for democrats, and one of many reasons why their fortunes will plummet faster than the Dow last year. ”
Uh dude, maybe you didn’t notice just whose fortunes plummeted with the DO last year.

Pelosi knows that it really doesn’t matter if you tell the truth or not. The only thing that matters is “agenda”… Pelosi really is funny to watch while she’s lying… she’s worse than a little kid trying to be believed when caught at something!

We didn’t torture nobody. We just told Pelosi we did

HA hah.

I think you republicans will find many many Dem’s cant stand Pelosi, Dodd or anyone else that brings this country down and lies to the people they are supposed to be representing. Dem’s and Reps may differ on many things, but I believe we all want what is best for this country and having self serving lying politicians are not what anyone wants. I hope I’m right. If only the right and left could come together as one and demand justice and the removal of any representative that is caught outright lying no matter what side of the isle they are on, we might get somewhere. Wishful thinking?

Piggy Pelosi is nothing but another lying democrat, just like Dumbama.
She should resign. She is a disgrace to the nation.

I have no problem with waterboarding. I think President Bush took every precaution, consulted attorneys, had doctors present just in case and saved many lives in the whole ugly process. This was the place we were in after 9-11. But to try to lay all this at the feet of the Republicans and declare no knowledge after the fact is despicable. Kinda like the dems that voted for the Iraq war and then spent the next several years not supporting it and trying to remove themselves from it. Not too honorable in my book

War criminal! Impeach! Etc, etc…

Well let’s see Henk,
She comes from the very liberal California and was put into office by….liberals.
So you tell me then why liberals all of a sudden have a change of heart about her???

hey pelosi….give us our plane back…liars ride on the bus.harry reid is also against gay marriage where is PEREZ HILTON?lets us have that TRUTH CMMISSION….lets waterboard them all including barney frank and chris dodd. we want the truth.

Any more criminal charges against Pelosi and she’ll be qualified to be president.

Barney Frank has requested a ‘variation’ of the traditional waterboarding be used on him. Use your imagination on that one.

she should be imprisoned for war crimes. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahahahaha. where are all the liberals?????where they always are when the truth comes out….not present

It appears that the current administration wants Americans to focus more on what President Bush may have done wrong and less as to what is actually going on right now.This doesn’t surprise me in the least. After all isn’t Pelosi ok with the torture and killings of the unborn every day? Most Americans at least felt safe when Bush was in office. He will one day go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents that America has ever had. God Bless him and his family, we miss them!

Nancy Pelosi needs to clear it up for us. Is she lazy and stupid or a liar?
Posted by: Judy | May 7, 2009 8:03:58 PM
There is no question here folks.
Nancy is a liar. She had a big news conference two weeks ago, stared into the camera and lied, and lied and lied.
Obama’s DNI confirms such.

Let’s be fair and open-minded. Maybe she has a good explanation for the apparent contradiction.

Nobody seemed to mind when she was funneling money to her husband’s company. Why would you think they will care about this one?

karela – The Bush administration WAS being open about the enhanced interrogation techniques when the CIA briefed the Senate Intelligence Committee about EIT in 2002. Our elected officials were briefed, but the information was classified as top-secret so the general public was not. That was a security call … why alert the terrorists as to how you’re going to interrogate them?
Bottom line is that Pelosi was briefed. She knew about the waterboarding, didn’t object, lied about knowing about it when asked.

I think Nancy Pelosi is about to be voted off American Idol. We’re now down to three rock stars. Who will go next week?

You guys also realize she prob woulda been thrown in jail or something (i dont know the punishment but something along those lines) for leaking secret info…. sorta illegal

There could be a completely logical reson behind her story. She might have been stone cold drunk and doesn’t remember a thing from the day before or three days after the briefing. I would buy that one.

According to Geneva CAT ‘convention on torture’, like the term soldier, enemy combatant is also DEFINED. In CAT torture is described as with ‘evil intent’. Anyone who thinks our people had ‘evil intent’ when they were actually trying to save lives just doesn’t understand the difference and is only making a PC argument against their hated party. Bush wasn’t our smartest president but he did what he did to protect our country. Pelosi and her ilk do what they do to protect their power and position.

Pelosi should be held accountable for this blatant lie. How can this woman be trusted from this point on is beyond me. She is a serial liar (seems harsh but it is true).

For all you Pelosi supporters saying she was “afraid of Bush” or “only had 1 briefing.” Those are b.s. excuses.
IT IS HER JOB to stand up for what she believes in, not what is politically or personally advantageous. If I believe that waterboarding is an unconstitutional and unnecessary torture, then I would at that exact moment of the briefing contest it.
She probably did forget, I’ll give her that. But if she thought it was a big deal, it’s her responsibility to make a big stink. She didn’t. So the only conclusion any objective person can draw is that she now objects because of political, not ethical reasons. That is the only variable that has changed, folks.

I am a liberal. I have no problem with anyone Republican or Democrat being investigated and if need be going to trial for crimes against humanity. Who every ordered, changed our laws to so-call allow it needs to be on trial. If Nanacy is invloved then she should be part of it. This should not be about polical parties it should be about being Americans and as Americans we are not the bad guys and the people who make us the bad guys because of their stupidity or evil ways need to be prosecuted to the fully extent of the law. This is just plain evil

I think Pelosi should step down now. And I voted for Obama.

Well lets take a long look at that Briefing list of Dems that were briefed and to this day keep lying about it:
Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
John Rockefeller
Jane Harman
Harry Reid
*Full Committee
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Russ Feingold
Diane Feinstein
Carl Levin
Barbara Mikulski
And this is just the list being briefed prior to 11/16/06 **** They have known for a very long time well before the election.

If Pelosi knew and didn’t act she must face whatever legal consequences the law dictates. Hopefully some Republicans will then wake up and realize that this is not a partisan issue. Let’s get everything on the table and have a judge or an independent panel look at the evidence.
@Jupiter
Forget about the Geneva Conventions for a moment and take a look at the UN Convention Against Torture.
@Brad
“At the point in time that it was being used, there was no law governing it’s use, as it was not defined as torture.”
That is flat out wrong. The US has prosecuted waterboarding several times in the past. Look it up.

the docs and conversations were classified, a bit hard for her to come out publically now wouldn’t it have been? A nice tidy little catch 22 Cheney had going

Pelosi lied.
Cheney’s memo will prove that EDI saved lives.
Obama is an idiot.

This whole business was NEVER about torture. It has always been about Obama trying to stick it to the Bush administration.
Talk about Amateur hour.
Obama is a laughing stock. His weakness has not only completely demoralized the CIA, it has made our friends and allies doubt his ability to lead.
God help us if we get hit again.

God help us if we get hit again.
I mean like we did under bush cheney that is, I am dipping my fingers in my pudding right now, mmmm

Ofcoarse she knew!!! Washington is soooo full of hipocriates….

“Republicans waterboarding people is okay. Democrats knowing about it isn’t? The moral corkscrewism required to be a rightwinger in this country gets more unbelievable every day ”
Are you missing the point on purpose?
Democrats knowing about it THEN but DENYING it NOW is the problem.
It’s a repeat of the whole Iraq war scenario. The Democrats who voted for the authorization to invade Iraq provided over a dozen rationales that HAD NOTHING TO DO with “faulty intel” on WMD, ALL of them referring to UN and US legislation and actions PRIOR to the election of George Bush.
President Bush was following US policy on Iraq established by Congress and the
Clinton administration in 1998 and still in effect when he took office. He received strong bi-partisan support for his decision to invade Iraq UNTIL no WMD were found lining the streets of Baghdad.
THEN, as the 2004 elections rolled around, all those other rationales given to us by Congress were somehow no longer relevant as Democrats stumbled over each other in the rush to absolve themselves of ANY responsibility for the invasion.
The “moral corkscrewism” required to be a Democrat has been unbelievable for the last SIX YEARS.

The problem is not that they had to keep this information secret at the time briefed.
The problem is that there is no reason to LIE now and the DEMS involved have made a conscious decision to LIE about wether they were ever briefed at all !
That is what makes a LIE a LIE, when you LIE and know your LYING is bad enough but to know your LYING and still LIE after getting caught is just crazy.
Gee, what does a Dems tell there kids when they Lie and get caught ?

Why does CNN persist in repeating…ad nauseum…old news and commentary related to old news??? If you have nothing new to offer about anything, go back to comicstrips……they worked for newspapers..

When is the left and right going to learn that GOVERNMENT is NOT all-powerful unless we allow them to be. Pelosi is yet another example of our corrupt politicians that have been living on our dimes for far too long. TERM LIMITS!!!

Pelosi lied so she should be tried…..

The more Pelosi denies knowing, the more the CIA will leak info to prove otherwise. Obama already threw the CIA under the bus so they’re not going to be so kind to anyone that supports him. Obama can make it all go away by admitting that he made a mistake by releasing Top Secret CIA information and then resign.

Pelosi lied so she should be tried…..
If the AG thinks she should be tried then yes. However since we know absolutely Bush and Cheney lied I guess you admit they should be tried. Funny how things happen that trap just say noers .. “empathy”, “briefed on tactics … not that she was briefed they were used on anyone”

Pelosi DID lie. So did Bush and Cheney, and they ALL need to be prosecuted for TREASON against the USA.
Let the chips fall where they may…
I’m a Democrat.
Let’s see if the Republican HYPOCRITES are willing to put Bush and Cheney UNDER OATH.
Bets???

Let’s see. My recollection on lying about anything as important as torture? I don’t seem to recall!
Unethical, power hungry, arrogant beyond Human belief, self serving = Politician

All you Obama voters saying that Pelosi has to go: AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN. All she has to do is go home to her district once or twice a year, march in the Gay Pride parade with the founder of NAMBLA, make some noises about some day supporting gay marriage, and she’s set for life.
Now, here’s a question for you Obama voters: how many of you would vote against a Democrat in YOUR congressional district to reduce Pelosi’s power as Speaker?

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, can’t get fooled again.
I will not be voting democrat in this next election even though I am a democrat. Very unsatisfied with the fact they are no different than the republicans. No different.
Madam Speaker, that goes double for you.

Firefox posted “Democrats don’t lie! They just tell a different version of the truth.”
And Republicans don’t lie, they simply can’t recall anything.

I love the right wing nuts. So, pelosi is bad because she knew it was going on, but Bush and Cheney are not bad for DOING IT! Right!

I don’t know why anyone would be surprised about this revelation of Peloski. She is nothing but a publicity hound, loves to spend taxpayer’s money without any accountability. The woman is in love with herself, that she has herself convienced, that she is good for the country! It is scary thinking that she is the Speak of the House, and has such control over Obama.

No Sammy Boy, what we did to the terrorists is the least that should have been done to them… What she is, is a HYPOCRITE and she is a pathetic one at that…. There’s a good reason that she was voted the most partisan member of the House, and this would seem to solidify that vote—right Chief???

Bush was very smart, he just wasn’t cool enough for Hollywood. He wasn’t elected to “act” but to actually “do his job” which was to protect America! Now, how are Americans going to feel if we are attacked again and this was even an issue!

One by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton wrote THE book of not recalling.

Democrats and Republicans are the same. I am happy I voted Nader/Gonzalez.

a citizen:”People need to wake up – are you happy with our governement? ”
That’s a good question. Actually, yes I am. It’s made up of greedy, often inept, clearly flawed people and has been for centuries. But our country is the best in the world, the most prosperous free nation the world has ever known, and that is BECAUSE of our government not in spite of it.

She was not along:
Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
John Rockefeller
Jane Harman
Harry Reid
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Russ Feingold
Diane Feinstein
Carl Levin
Barbara Mikulski
Note: In all cases Staff members were also in the room
Joe

The problem in Wash. is that too many of their decisions are politically motivated, if they were against torture and the war they should have stood up and said so, they didn’t then because it wasn’t politically popular, but when it did become politically popular to be against the war, suddenly they have amnesia about their vote for the war and their approval of so called torture. If you have a conviction stand up for it, period. Most people applaud that even if they don’t agree with you.

The Waterboarding issue is over. This issue was brought up by Her Majesty The Liar Piglosy. Now that the truth is out..hmmmm..let’s go for the WMD lies//LMAO. Waterboarding was nothing but a political scam to keep our eyes away from the main issues such as the monstruos budget that the Obama Administration has created nothing more.

Those who were paying attention years ago, knew that she was briefed in 2002.
That was the beginning of the speculation that no flags were raised by Democrats concerning Bush administration behavior due to blackmail manipulation of Democrats based on evidence collected via warrantless wiretaps, oddly passed by many a Democrat. Brought to painful light in 2006 when few Democrats were found to have a pair. Trust no one, and throw the bulk of them out. This is a democracy of, by and for the people, NOT of by and for the corporation.

Ah, good ol’ JHW here to try and switch the focus. Alinsky tactics at their best.
Here’s the issue, Libs:
Pelosi lied. Yes or no? If yes, she needs to be
Babble on all you want about the

Ah, good ol’ JHW here to try and switch the focus. Alinsky tactics at their best.
Here’s the issue, Libs:
Pelosi lied. Yes or no? If yes, she needs to be prosecuted and at the very least voted out of her job.
Babble on all you want about the waterboarding itself. That’s a DIFFERENT ISSUE. Try to focus on one thing at a time (I know it’s difficult).
Pelosi lied. Tell us about how outraged you are, or take your self-righteous anger to someone who cares.
Gz, it’s like talking to a room full of ADHD kids full of Mountain Dew…

I think we should get better civics education in this country! Our Constitution is not the most specific document and the intent of the framers is debatable for a much of it. But there is ONE item plainly defined within it in black in white — that is the definition of Treason in Article III Section 3.
It reads “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”
Both Republicans [my party] and Democrats should read this before making idiotic accusations against anyone. Our framers expressly defined Treason in our Constitution because of the history of abuse and misuse and ever-changing nature of the meaning of the word back in England — especially under the Tudors and Stuarts when Parliament would often issue Bills of Attainder to bring down and execute their political enemies for treason!
Be careful.

So many American’s goal even though supporters of Demo. in 2010 is to get rid of Nancy Pelosi who is lack of leadership and liar.

Waterboard Pelosi. I am sure she will remember then.
Posted by: james at 37 | May 7, 2009 6:36:36 PM
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THAT IS A GREAT IDEA, PLEASE GO FAR.

In all actuality this is probably the least of Pelosi’s sins so I am willing to give her a pass on this one. I am sure there are many more skeletons hiding in her closet and with the next administration if she is still there I am sure they will all come out and she can be prosecuted for them.

Nitewinde – are you out of your tree? This is proof of WHAT? It’s proof that A the president asked for torture to be legal. B. JD lawyers made it “legal” contrary to the constitution, the geneva convention, and our moral understanding and advancement. That does not make it NOT torture. Again – are we a nation of laws, the Rule of Law or not? I seem to remember the repubs in apoplexy about the rule of law when a president lied under oath about a blow job – where are those same voices now? Calling for abrogation of the Rule of Law, while calling those that demand it be upheld traitors…wake up and behold your hypocrisy

This whole thing is a joke. Water Boarding is not tourture. It was necessasary to save lives. Get over it. It only happened to 3 of the most hardened terrorists to save american lives.

“Brilliant, and what of the war criminals that actually AUTHORIZED and ORDERED the torture? Can we now send them to the Hague where they belong?”
Let’s try this again. I know it’s hard to be a Democrat these days, but please, do your best. Try not to play the “switch the subject” game.
Do you think Pelosi should be thrown out of Congress and possibly prosecuted for lying? Most (all?) Republicans and alot of Democrats seem to think so.
How about you?
Bonus points: answer the question without using the words “Bush”, “Cheney” or “BOOOOOSH DID IT!”.

TIA,
Just because DEMS “NOW” say waterboarding is torture don’t make it so.
And i dare you to quote to us anywhere in the Constitution that says it is torture or in the Geneva Convention.
We train are Military with Waterboarding and that never bothered DEMS nor did anyone call it TORTURE.

indeed
;)

This is exactly why we NEED a special prosecutor to drag everybody in , get the truth as to who authorized, ordered, supervised and knew about the violation of both US & International law by the use of torture. The partisan gotcha is irrelevant. We as Americans have been demeaned by these acts…Justice for ALL

Thank you Andrew, a competent analysis at last.

Actually, I always find it amusing when people bring up the Geneva Convention, as if there’s a section in the GC about dealing with covert terrorists that fly airplanes full of civilians into buildings full of more civilians.
How about Human Rights? We have never (before) sunk to the level of our enemies and I find it disgraceful that America has allowed a pack of religious zealots to so profoundly shake her core beliefs that we’re now actually having the discussion ‘Is waterboarding torture?’ It is in fact pathetic and cowardly.

Pants on fire!!

The problem is not democrat or republican, it is *all* of them. None have our interest at heart before their own. For their complicity in the Wall Street fraud they should feel the sting of impeachment for they surely feel no sting of shame. Pelosi disgraces the office more than most.

If Pelosi lied, does it make Bush’s and Cheney’s torture program any less illegal?
Throughout the Bush administration, wasn’t Congress merely informed about what Bush was going to do anyway, even if there were objections?
Didn’t Bush and Cheney also threaten anyone who told with arrest and conviction for leaking secrets?
Didn’t Bush and Cheney also threaten members of Congress not to talk with their staffs and aides, so members of Congress couldn’t even find out the legalities of Bush’s policies?
Didn’t Jay Rockefeller write a letter to himself by hand and put it in his own safe documenting what Cheney had threatened him with?

She didn’t know about torture because there never was any torture. Water boarding and insects are not torture. Pelosi cannot be prosecuted for lying about something that never happened. Let’s moveon, what do you say? Its not like this is about sex or even sexual harassment.

“This whole thing is a joke. Water Boarding is not tourture. It was necessasary to save lives. Get over it. It only happened to 3 of the most hardened terrorists to save american lives.” –Peter
Waterboarding is illegal. It’s settled law. Waterboarding costs lives. Every authority, except Cheney, agrees that it’s torture and unnecessary. The professional interrogators in the CIA and FBI agree that waterboarding produces lies, not truth.
The CIA destroyed 92 tapes of interrogations, so I wouldn’t count on only 3 people were waterboarded. We know that at least 98 detainees were murdered. These were people who were never convicted of anything. They were taken into custody through dragnets, at marketplaces.
I find myself wanting to say, “Why do you hate America so, that you would create so many enemies for us with these barbaric medievel practices?”, but that “Why do you hate America” line was stupid when you were saying it, and there’s no excuse to perpetuate the stupidity that ran us these last 8 years.

JaneC,
Why is it not possible to have Pelosi share in the blame? Do you think Bush & Cheney invented these interrogation techniques? Lives were saved because of these techniques. Maybe Pelosi deserves part of the credit instead of part of the blame.

Pelosi didn’t lie. The people who wrote the report lied to implicate everyone ELSE.

I agree with Jane C. Saying Nancy Pelosi was briefed does not inform exactly what and how she was briefed. The Bush administration covered their butts real well and they of course would try to drag the Democrats into providing them cover. But that doesn’t mean Pelosi was told everything that was going on. And I certainly would believe Pelosi over any reports that were written during the Bush administration in their desperate attempts to cover their war crimes.

I didn’t know, I didn’t know… well, except for that briefing… and that one… an oh yeah, that one too… but I within minutes of hearing those, I erased them from my memory as if they didn’t happen. Hey, MSM!! I’m a Democrat. You’re not supposed to criticize us!

Debra: Spin, Spin, Spin. She said first she was not there, but now she admits she was. She was told, but now not told enought. What’s the excuse next week ?

Somebody named “A Better World” posted: “Why is it not possible to have Pelosi share in the blame? Do you think Bush & Cheney invented these interrogation techniques? Lives were saved because of these techniques. Maybe Pelosi deserves part of the credit instead of part of the blame.”
1. Only the Commander-in-Chief could order these techniques (torture, let’s call it what it has been deemed in US law). The CIA required the Commander-in-Chief come up with a legal authority because the CIA knew it was illegal, yet the CIC demanded it be done.
2. It didn’t save lives, not that that is relevant. We could drop atomic bombs on Pakistan and N. Korea right now, and that would surely save American lives in the future, but it’s ILLEGAL. Don’t you understand that concept? This discussion has happened already. Waterboarding is a capitol offense–We execute waterboarders.
3. If Pelosi did something illegal, I’m more than happy to include her. But what did she do? She had no authority in ordering the waterboarding. She and everyone in Congress was threatened with criminal prosecution if they discussed anything Bush and Cheney told them about during the entire 8 years of their administration. DON’T YOU RECALL THAT? I do.

“That ABC news would run this story tells you that even the Lapdog press smells blood. Nancy is no long above reproach. Or the law.”
Gee Johnny, even if Ms. Pelosi did lie to the press, she wasn’t under oath so no laws were broken. How about the folks that authorized torture? Are they above the law or reproach?

I’m a little more concerned about what might happen to Americans under Obama’s new Patriot Act. Did you know that your emails and phone conversations could be listened to, you could be rounded up and falsely imprisoned and Obama doesn’t want any oversight or review of your arrest unless your email or phone conversation was made public which it never would be because then he could claim that making it public would be against the law. This is overreaching beyond belief and the abuse of power that could ensue is downright scary, but hey, the rights of Al Qaeda are a lot more important right?

Did you know that physicians were ordered to be on hand for waterboarding if the tortured died, as in drowned, so that their throats could be cut, tracheotomies?
Torture and murder.
Bush and Cheney threw rule of law out the window and became judge, jury and executioner over all people in the world.

Only weak minded fools think enhanced interrogation methods are criminal. You may not like it, but these techniques save lives. The only damages they cause are temporary pain and the only people who suffer are terrorists. People that want to murder you and me.

To all those who believe waterboarding is not torture, then are you saying it is OK for other countries to perform the technique on U.S. troops?
You can’t have it both ways.
Prosecute Bush and his crew, Impeach Pelosi and everyone else you had anything to do with this! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

Say it ain’t so, Nancy.

Somebody who calls himself Bob said: “I’m surprised ABC is running this headline about Pelosi lying… I guess they figure they have to… But let’s see if it lasts for more than half a day…”
Where is this headline that you claim says Pelosi is lying? The headline I see is: Pelosi Briefed on Use of Interrogation Tactics in September ’02.
That’s precisely what Pelosi herself has said. What else she said was that she and the others present, including Porter Goss, were told that the White House said that it had memos from the OLC that said the “harsh interrogation tactics” it wanted to use which included waterboarding was legal. The White House then said, according to Pelosi, “So we can use them if we want.” Pelosi responded, “We’ll see about that, should you decide to do that, which you have said you haven’t yet decided, but will inform us, Congress, should you get to that point.”
Pelosi also said that when she and Goss were leaving the White House, Goss said, “You can bet if they’ve got OLC saying that it’s legal, they’re already doing it”, to which Pelosi replied, “That’s not what they said in there, and I got a clear understanding with them that they would inform us if and when.”
Goss, when asked about that conversation said, “I don’t recall.”
Pelosi didn’t order the waterboarding, the torture, and does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney would have paid any attention had she objected? Does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney threatened Democrats with arrest and prosecution? We saw Bush and Cheney threaten for ourselves!

CHANGE?

Machod – not to rain on your gloating, but here’s a little civics lesson. The Speaker of the House is a member of the Legislative branch not the Executive branch and as such is not part of the Obama administration.

Somebody who calls himself Jason said: “Are you capable of meaningful debate on the issue? Until you acknowledge that water boarding can be an effective method of interrogation then you have nothing to contribute. These methods are not common and widespread. They are used selectively by the CIA to interrogate terrorism suspects.”
You honestly have no ideal what the US is all about, much less able to call yourself a patriot.
Rule of law guides this and all other issues. It is against the law, and for good reason. It’s settled law, has been for more than half a century. The debate took place already, and all experts in the art and craft of interrogation say the same thing: “It’s torture, it’s NOT reliable, and when you waterboard a subject you will get whatever the subject thinks you want to hear.”
What is relevant, what keeps getting missed, is that Bush and Cheney ordered torture to get FALSE INFORMATION from subjects.
All of the interrogators have reported that their goal was to find a link between 9/11/01 and Saddam Hussein. Before Bush began the war in Iraq. Bush was looking for a justification to attack and occupy Iraq. That means he knew what he was telling the American people, about Saddam Hussein having WMD was a lie.
Those are war crimes, by Bush and Cheney, and everyone down the line of that administration.

Avery ROFL!!! If you were intelligent enough to click on the link you would see I didn’t create it. Thought I would type in the words since you would be offended by the image. By the way why are you so offended? ROFL!! You are too funny!

Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods yield information of varying quality. Sometimes they produce falsified information to satisfy the interrogators. But you can also produce useful information with these techniques. That is why it is used selectively. Clearly there are circumstances in which the threats to national security warrant aggressive interrogations.

Somebody named Jason said: “Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods yield information of varying quality. Sometimes they produce falsified information to satisfy the interrogators. But you can also produce useful information with these techniques. That is why it is used selectively. Clearly there are circumstances in which the threats to national security warrant aggressive interrogations.”
I see the rule-of-law-argument cuts no ice with you, so we’re back to your making insupportable claims.
So I will take your insupportable argument and ask you, if waterboarding was so effective, why was Abu Zubaydah subjected to it 83 times, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed subjected to it 182 times? Wouldn’t once have been enough? And if once wasn’t enough, why stop at 83 times and 182 times? Osama bin Laden is still at large, as is his second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Maybe the 183rd time would have worked to give them up.
War crimes were committed in your name and in my name. You may not have lost anyone you love to an act of terror, but I have. I know that your way of looking at the world is responsible and allowed for the Bush and Cheney takeover of our government. I won’t let that ever happen again, if it takes the last ounce of breath in my body. I won’t let the bullies in the US ever let this happen again, and drown out the voices of reason and rule of law.

I think Pelosi took impeachment off the table because she knew she’d be exposed as the collaborator she was. The Democrats have some housecleaning to do.

“This hateful politician was briefed, approved torture then, openly lied to the American people.”
Mihann, nobody has said that Nancy Pelosi approved torture. These are the sort of made up facts and hyperbole the Conservative/Fascist used for 8 years to drive this country off a cliff. Stick to what’s said in the story. Simply the Speaker may have been briefed that the Bush Administration used torture. Nobody has said she approved of it.

I don’t see a good reason to put words in my mouth and say that I don’t respect the rule of law. Nor is it justified to classify me as a far right conservative that unquestioningly supported the Bush Presidency.
Most reasonable people will acknowledge that, during time of war, certain national security issues can take precedence over the rule of law. Its not an ideal situation by anyone’s standards. But a practical issue where a President should reserve a right to put the nation’s security first and protect human life. I’m not arguing that harsh interrogation methods ought to be widespread. My argument is that in certain circumstances protecting human life takes precedence over legal procedure and the rights of terrorists. I believe it is possible to use these methods responsibly to stop terrorism without doing irreversible damage to our respect for universal human rights or the rule of law.

Dave – You suggested that a Democrat “keep an open mind?” LOL!!!! Thanks! I needed a laugh before running out the door to go to work!

Somebody named Jim Nauseum said: “I think Pelosi took impeachment off the table because she knew she’d be exposed as the collaborator she was. The Democrats have some housecleaning to do.”
That’s possible.
It’s also possible that she took impeachment off the table because she knew she couldn’t get Republicans to go along with impeachment and there weren’t enough votes with just Democrats. Or, that it might look like political retribution (Republicans would certainly make a lot of noise that it was), and turn off voters (dumb, dumb, dumb people who vote for Republicans or as Independents) come the 2008 election, and we’d be stuck with Republicans in power for another 2-4-8 years.
It doesn’t change one fact, and that is that Pelosi had no power to stop the torture. Bush and Cheney threatened anyone and everyone who dared to cross them with arrest and prosecution of violating state secrets act.
Certainly you recall that? And that Cheney and the NSA have been spying on Americans? Members of Congress, too?
I have no problem with looking at Democrats’ part in this, if any. I don’t know anyone on the left who has a problem with it, either.
What’s your problem with it? How come the right stands in the way of investigating the Bush administration?

I swear conservatives, if the news or your party told you to argue for dropping a nuke on Mexico you would fight for it, even if it meant you would be blown up with it.
Which, if you didn’t catch the metaphor, allow me to spell it out…
By torturing people, whoever they are, we are giving up our ideals as a nation. I’m not talking about Republican or Democrat ideals, but American ideals. We are supposed to be the leader in this world, so lets lead it in the right way.
I am an independent who happened to vote for Obama because I was sick of watching what your party was doing to this country.
And yes, I am sickened by anyone who knew about or performed torture, whether they be Democrat or Republican.
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. AND ALL WHO HAVE PARTOOK IN THE ACT OF TORTURE, OR EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT, SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.

Jane. Have you seen how women are tortured in Iran for some of the most insance sentences? They are stoned to death! The women is put into about a 4×4 box and then put on her knees. Next the box is filled with past her shoulders with just her head sticking out. From there you can imagine what happens next. Yes, stones are thrown at the women’s head until she is killed. This is torture!!! I think you need to really look at what happens around the world and know that some of the barbaric acts that are committed will NEVER be changed by talking to anyone. Just like your position of not wanting to at least understand another viewpoint except your own hardened mentality. The U.S. as a whole is a great country and does abide for the most part by the laws which govern this nation. I’m sorry you love bashing our country so much. I feel sorry for you.

Nice job Mr. Klein!
Setting my home page to ABC news.
My home-town newspaper, the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel (aka Sun-Sentinel-Fishwrap), passed up the Pelosi headline for this one:
“Overwhelmed KFC halts grilled chicken giveaway”

Dave, once we entertain the notion that some laws can be ignored for “a greater good”, then there is no longer the rule of law.
This notion, that some laws can be ignored, is an imaginary creation of your own mind.

Just exactly who is the criminal here?: Nancy Pelosi, or the torturers?
Saying she was “briefed” isn’t nearly specific enough when culpable officials in #43′s administration clearly would like to exonerate themselves by distorting the facts, and diverting attention from their crimes to their “respected colleagues on the other side of the aisle”.
We’ll never know what she was told, when she was told it, or who told her. The veil of secrecy in the national interest trumps our right to know.
One way or another, most of the American Public got suckered in by the Bush Administration; no surprise to me that Nancy Pelosi could have been hoodwinked too.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have been demonized by the Far Right since 2006. It’s all part of the politics of personal destruction that have brought us to gridlock in the Congress, and have set us against each other.
The shame does not rest on Nancy Pelosi’s shoulders.

“Simply the Speaker may have been briefed that the Bush Administration used torture. Nobody has said she approved of it.”
Please! Quit quoting Nancy’s lies!
“Oh, I saw, but did not know!”
If sweet Nancy was “briefed” on torture methods and did not denounce the torture methods that she saw at the time, this makes her equally as guilty. It is sad that she openly lied to the American public. She should be removed from office.

Jane. You have valid points; however, at what point is enough enough? Do we just sit back and take every beating, bombing, and attack on America? If we do this then yes you are right there will be no constitution or America. At some point good men do have to stand up and protect the citizens including you. The U.S. was acting as a great nation leading up to 9/11 and still is. After 9/11 we are facing a new enemy. Remember these aren’t individuals who care about humanity or you and I. I guess based upon your assessment we just sit back and take every attack and talk to them nicely. What would you do please explain?

“After 9/11 we are facing a new enemy”
D,
Maybe, but they are no more powerful than any of the enemies we have had in the past, in fact less so. And through it all we have managed not to torture. This should be no different.
Another point is that many of the people that were tortured were NOT EVEN TERRORISTS. Just remember, if they can torture someone they can torture you too if they absolutely wanted to. It’s a terrible door to open and does not keep us any safer. In fact, it makes us even less safe.

I know everyone here likes to argue, and that that is part of the fun of it, but this is a serious matter.
I hope that we all can agree that the law should be upheld.
If we can’t come together in some way NO ONE WILL BE PROSECUTED. I believe these people broke the law, whether it be Pelosi or the Bush crew. Either way, whether I’m right or wrong, we need an investigation to figure out what happened and who should be held responsible.
THIS IS AN ISSUE WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER ON, and that issue is making sure that NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, NOT EVEN RICH POLITICIANS

J,
Yes. You are correct but I would like to add that the rules of engagement have changed and no matter how we act or try to save lives during a war/crisis we will always be seen in a negative way. Many of the terrorists just don’t agree with our beliefs and ideals. They don’t follow any laws or try to adhere to ethical standards. You are probably correct in that some might not be terrorists but maybe they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. If not, then yes they should be treated fairly. The ones who were water boarded were known by all to be some of the most wanted. The lines are so drawn now that everyone is out to get everyone and America is going down hill fast. I’m not saying we have to tout that we are the best or better than anyone else but we both can agree that keeping our way of life is one that all work hard for. In my mind this should not have been released to the public since most do not understand or agree with the military why the majority do. This could have been handled by the administration in away that kept our security interests a priority and stopped any problems or unlawful acts from those in charge.

Dan, no liberal with a brain is defending Pelosi. Just like no Republican with a brain should be defending Bush and is crew.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED AN INVESTIGATION.
To find out who is GUILTY and who needs to be PROSECUTED. (not yelling at you, I just feel strongly about this.)

“you actually think Pelosi was worrying about violating laws if she had said she knew?”
I think she was worried about being thrown in jail by the Bush administration, and why shouldn’t she be? These are the guys that were spying on American with impunity and arguing that the president had the power to disappear ANYONE in the world who he deemed a threat. I suspect you were one of the useful idiots chanting “treason” whenever a public figure disagreed with the president, so the fact that this is not coming out until now is as much your fault as Speaker Pelosi’s.

“They don’t follow any laws or try to adhere to ethical standards.”
Dave,
Either did the Nazi’s, who were the worst enemy we ever faced, and we didn’t torture them.
The America we fought for is one with values, one that considers people innocent until proven guilty. These men may have been terrorists, but the fact is they never even got a trial, so who really knows. I could say that you are a terrorist (not that I think you are) and if enough people were scared enough to believe me they could torture you too.
That is not the America I fight for

Dan,
Every time you write liberal/socialist you make yourself sound like a talking head for a political party. Think for yourself.

James, lets compare the Nazi’s to Terrorist when the Americans were fighting them. When an American troop is captured by the Germans they were treated good if not better than German troops were when they got captured. Germans wore uniforms and didnt hide behind women and children with fake civilian cloths on, the Germans had a piece of ground they were fighting for. When terrorist capture Americans they either get killed by some kind of torture or they get their heads cut off and put on a video. There’s a huge difference between the enemy and these enemies aren’t going to talk for the heck of it and if you consider it torture to get information from some guy to protect American lives then you are no better than the people who “torture”

“You think I hate America? Wow!!!”
I’m using the same hyperbole tactic you use when you say Liberals want to coddle terrorist and do nothing when we are attacked. Of course that’s crazy! So, I hold up a mirror and give you the same craziness back. I don’t think anyone here hates America, but I think some of the ideas expressed here are dangerous enough to do what terrorist could never accomplish. That is transform America from that glorious beacon of hope into a world striding behemoth loathed by most and feared by all. If we as a nation agree it’s ok to torture people under certain circumstances, slowly but surely torture will become the norm. If we say it’s ok to preemptively attack a nation simply because we suspect they may be a threat, global dominance will become the only game in town. You’ve got to get beyond the fear of 9/11 man and understand yes it was horrible, tragic, and frightening, but we are AMERICANS! Not a bunch of thumb sucking cowards who will stoop to cowardly tactics when times get rough. Come on man, where’s that “rugged individualism” and “personal responsibility” you Republicans use to care about so much about?

Avery,
Thank you for your last post. That’s what it is all about.

Dan,
It is not false. They beat them ultimately because they were scared of them. They were scared that the Jews would take their jobs, scared that the Jews would cause their families to starve. They were not scared of them like someone in the sense that they thought they would take over (just like I don’t think any American is scared that the terrorists will take over), but they were scared of them in the sense that they thought the Jews would change their way of life…which is the same reason why we are fighting against the terrorists (at least that’s what Bush has said). So, really, it is the same.

Brian, so they were scared of them taking a plane and crashing it into buildings and killing thousands of Germans( that is something the Germans left out of that propaganda movie I watched though)? If the terrorist were interested in only coming over here and changing our way of life and opening up business that would compete with other business and not stealing planes and crashing them into buildings…I don’t think anyone would care they were here. So yes it’s a different thing.

I bet you won’t hear this on the mainstream media. Pelosi should be fired but the Dems will keep her anyway. Heck, most of the Dems should be fired anyway…so corrupt!! From the mess of the sub-prime mortgages,overspending out tax dollars..chicago thugs..etc etc etc.

Brian
So its alright for your party to use fear?

If there is any water boarding to be done, Cheney should be 1st in line since he doesn’t believe it is torture…
And Pelosi should definitely NOT resign… A briefing does not allow a vote…it is what it is… a briefing…
This briefing took place under a Republican administration and Congress that continues to deny anything resembling torture…
Bush assured us that the US does not torture… all the while, Dictator Cheney was having laws rewritten to make sure torture is lawful…
Pelosi has not said or done anything worse then the appalling stuff I have heard come out of Republicans…like Congresswoman Bachmann or Senator Shelby, or Senator Bond… Or, Senator Inhofe…
This is just another desperate move by the Grand Obastructionist Party…

Avery Davis
Heres the thing, ITS NOT TORTURE. I know you think it is because the mean ole republicans and Bush were doing it to get information that saved thouands of lives….but ITS NOT TORTURE. I explained what torture was, this was no where near it. This guy was so badly tortured he recieved a lawyer, a place to live, three meals a day. For trying to kill a bunch of Americans, I think we got the raw end of this deal.

Dan, you may not think it’s torture, but the fact is we have prosecuted others for performing the technique on our troops.

If anyone should resign it should be Judge Jay Bybee…

Avery Davis, Uh oh, more name calling from a liberal/socialist. I know it’s hard when your points don’t stand up to the opposing view but there’s no reason to name call it only makes you look like your getting owned, and for the record I never listen to Hannity because I think he resorts to name calling a little too much and my style is more of logic and facts because they make more sense than having to resort to name calling. Also, if you have to say you were schooling someone then you really weren’t because if you truly were you would know that everyone else could see this and they would already know it. It’s a shame too, I’ve never ran into a liberal/socialist yet who doesn’t name call, and you would think with how smart they think they are that they would never need to name call. I’m sorry Avery but I just can’t seem to get down to your level of intelligence either, you make it really hard with such hard hitting lines as “I was schooling you”.

After reading thorough many of these messages it stands to reason that we need good honest people running our government. Rep or Dem, where are we going to get good people that are honest Americans and want to do for this Country first, the rest of the world next. As for the Bush term, sure he made mistakes, but remember congress both first and second term went along with him and voted “yes” for the war. It was not a mistake, however it could have been handled in a better way. As for our politicians, both parties, it is time to weed out the bad one. What is wrong with the American people when they keep sending the same trash to run our Government. I am now a conservative voter, and I see Obama as bad as the lying representatives of our government. He does not care about the people in the USA, only about himself. He is as guilty as the rest of them. We do need term limits and then things might change. Polosi, Dodd, Reid have to go. As leaders they are walking backward and are useless in running anything. If I were boss, I would fire everyone of them and make them write a resume as to why they should come back. They do it in the private sector, whey not the government. Elections are not enough, they are croocked, i.e, Acorn and Obama. It is time to turn America back the people and “We need a Change we can Trust in”, not what we have now.

“I’m just trying to figure out how doing this to your own constitutes torture? I can see how it constitutes Harsh integrations but how torture?”
There are 2 separate ways to look at this Dan.
1) Yes, we torture our own troops. They are GI (Government Issue), meaning Uncle Sam literally owns you for the duration of your service. Also, we want our soldiers to be tough SOBs, so they’re tortured in many ways mentally, physically, you name it. That doesn’t mean it’s ok for the government to grab a civilian and do the same to them.
2) It’s one thing to be waterboarded by your drill Sargent who’s trying to demonstrate to you what torture is like, but something completely different to be tortured by hostile strangers who you’re not sure, but seem like they want to kill you.
Your rational is faulty. We do torture our service men to make them tough, to break them down, to instill fear which (strangely) if applied correctly can make one more fearless, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to yank someone out of jail and do the same thing to them. Our service men consent to torture to make them better soldiers, that doesn’t mean it’s not torture.

If the Obama adm. wants to go after the lawyers that advised the previous adm., then they need to go after Pelosi, and others that knew about this and refused to voice their objections.
She lied, and continues to lie about everything, she is a disgrace to Ca.

I am absolutely not surprised.

Politicians! Don’t you love them? I mean Barney, Chris, Chuck, and Arlen?

Avery Davis : Stop it. Your arguing with people suffering from psychotic disorders.
What characteristics are associated with psychotic disorder?
Some of the characteristics associated with psychotic disorders include delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behavior, incoherent or disorganized speech, and/or disorganized behavior.
Delusions are described as false, inaccurate beliefs the person holds onto even when he/she is presented with accurate information.
Like believing Saddam had something to do with 911.
Like Bush wasn’t lying about Iraq.
Like torture isn’t illegal.
Soon it will be murder is ok.
You do know over a 100 prisoners died in our custody.
I can’t wait to see the right defend those.
To believe those things you have to be suffering from some mental illness.
The facts don’t back up there delusions.

het cognoscenti – you are right the weapons of mass destruction – I am just as upset at Clinton for telling us the same thing Bush did.

Back in 2002, the GOP had a solid lock on the White House and the Congress. Bush didn’t want any leaks and wanted “victory” in Afghanistan while he planned the invasion of Iraq. If Pelosi knew back then, she should have said something to other members of the House and the Democrats should have petitioned George Bush and the American people. But the mindset back then was vengeance for 9/11 and most of America was very angry at Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers came from. So – Bush and Cheney had free reign and control back then. It is primarily their fault in this.

Since lying is a huge deal to democrats and liberals alike (claiming Bush lied), I expect to see Pelosi hung with a new rope.
My advice to Pelosi is to keep a stiff upper lip.

I wish Pelosi would grow a pair and stop all this nonsense. She makes Democrats look bad.

It continues to amaize me how the luny left continue to to protect Ms. P. Who cares if she said anything against it at the time, the problem is she continues to lie through her teeth about knowing it happened and the stupid left believes her.

Oh darn, I had just had an eyelift the day before I was told that and you know how the pains meds work on a memory!

One might ponder on just how extensive the briefing was. The use of the word briefing indicates that you get some information, but not necessarily all. A brief is supposed to be just that–brief.
Regardless of what she knew and when she knew it, torture is illegal. What she knew and when she knew it doesn’t change that fact.

Good reporting. Thank you!

Another comment! Obama has sent 20,000 troops to Afganistan with out EQUIPMENT. Sounds like he is worse than the previous.

Posted by: Ladnarc
We need term limits NOW !!!
Agree with you 100%.
Pelosi and the rest of those clowns work for us. Not the other way around.

She was briefed….not consulted. A distinction that seems to escape most people. And when she’d been briefed she couldn’t discuss it with anyone because it was classified. This is nonsense. As ever the Obama haters and pro torture crowd come out from under their rocks in attempt to transfer the blame for this disaster elsewhere than it belongs.

She should know better lying doesn’t ever ever work because it will come back and bite you in your derriere and really hurt you and your family.
How would like your grandma being caught lying in front of God and everyone because up to this point you thought she would never lie and she has always taught you never to lie and look she did it without even thinking twice.
I think this really reflects badly on her because she could very well be our President if something were to happen to our Vice President she would be next in line and she has been caught red handed lying.
She needs to leave and leave TODAY!!!

I would like John to get into the hands of the Talban and tell them that we don’t torture so they shouldn’t! I’m sure it will stop them dead in their tracks! The leader of the Democrats have lied so much they can’t remember what lie they told where! They have to be briefed/consulted on all kinds of classified stuff. The point being here is if she doesn’t have the guts, intergity to tell the truth, why is she there? This is just another example of wanting to stay in a power position and stay with the in crowd, at the cost of the country. one of the biggest surprise is that ABC actually let the story out. Remember, the Media lies for Obama and America Dies!

Now, who here did not know Chairman Pelois was a liar? The woman can not speak without lying but that is ok because she is a dem and that is par for the course.

Your statement below is torture John. The house and senate leak left and right so save the bs about not being able to anything. She could have proposed legislation to stop these things without ever admitting they exist. Again your explaination of her lies is what is real torture. Dunking someone in water is not torture. For them is prolly the only bath they had.
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She was briefed….not consulted. A distinction that seems to escape most people. And when she’d been briefed she couldn’t discuss it with anyone because it was classified. This is nonsense. As ever the Obama haters and pro torture crowd come out from under their rocks in attempt to transfer the blame for this disaster elsewhere than it belongs.
Posted by: john | May 8, 2009 9:57:50 AM

If the other attendees at the meeting in question concur with the CIA’s version — and the CIA’s version specifically states she was informed that the the techniques were used, I would be hard put to believe Pelosi’s version. Given the CIA was suspicious of politicians who might dissemble in the future, the agency would have a strong incentive to lay it all out.

You have to be naive to believe that if we don’t do things to them they will respect us and our troops. Ask Nick Berg or Danny Pearle. And a bunch of others.
Where is the usual investigation of Ms Pelosi – what did Nancy know and when did she know it?

“I want her and everybody who went along with this to resign. And I am a liberal.”
JoAnne– She. Will. Not. Resign. Now who will YOU vote for to lessen her power?

In 2004 I was a battalion commander in Iraq as such I was personally responsible for 612 American lives. We captured many enemy combatants most were fed, clothed, given medical attention, shelter, and protection. Occasionally one of these guys lied to us or attempted the injure those guarding him/her. One prisoner had over $50,000 in cash on him when he was captured. His explanation was he had just sold his car. Those who failed to cooperate with us and had timely information that would protect the lives of my soldiers were immediately turned them over to the ISF. Everyone involved understood that they were about to be beaten within an inch of their lives. Call it torture if you must but I brought 611 of our nation’s finest young American men and women home. Sadly, I lost one soldier in a non-combat related traffic accident. What most Americans fail to understand is that if one of our enemies could get inside your home he would kill you, your spouse, your children, and probably your dog. We are dealing with really bad people.

I personally don’t like Pelosi. I believe she is a weak leader who didn’t stand up and fight Bush and Cheney while they had their way with this country. Whether or not the article is true, she should be replaced for not being more forceful as a leader.

Pelosi certainly has no trouble opening her mouth about how the INS goes after illegal aliens. In her own words, Its “unAmerican”. So do you think if she really thought this was so outrageous a form of treatment she would not have spoken up at all??? She was a member of Congress and as such had ability to have her feelings on this matter put on the record. Classified yes, but on the record.
Guess what, she knew then the same as she knows now. These kinds of things, while grotesque indeed, are sometime required! While it would be nice to have our morals alone be the guilding light for everything we do, we live in a real world with many varied threats to our way of life.
For everyone out there who wants all these investigations and such, becareful what you wish for. You may find someday down the road that a classified memo gets released showing that this administration authorized such treatment in a specific circumstance. Will you all then stand up and scream for heads to roll if its the Obama administration that allows this to happen?

I’m calling for Pelosi’s resignation letter today. That no good LIAR. Resign NOW Pelosi. Nothing but LIES I say.

John,
You have my heart-felt thanks for your service to this country.
You are dead on in regards to what you said. I have family members in Iraq now and have lost family members during their time in the military. It is indeed amazing at times how those who enjoy the freedoms this country provides fail to realize what it really takes to protect what we have.
It is easy to sit back and be critical of others who have the incredible responsibility of keeping the country safe. Most of these are the same ones who screaming how we were not doing enough to protect our country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
You have lived the situation that others here love to claim they would handle differently. The say they would allow other people to die rather than use any means available to save those people. I often wonder if they were put in with a group like your soldiers, what they would really do when faced with it.
Their “heroine” Pelosi could not even muster the stomach to go on record as being against this. Yet here they are trying to find excuses for her, rather than standing by their so-called morals.
Anyway, THANK YOU again for your service to our great country!

Uh, according to the CIA, Pelosi wasn’t briefed on waterboarding until 2004. And the first briefing on interrogation techniques in 2002 was 35 days after waterboarding began.
It helps if you actually, you know, READ THE DOCUMENTS, guys.
Another failure of American journalism.

What I don’t get is just how much attention pouring some water over someone who personally had a hand in killing 3,000 Americans has gotten!
And savior Obama, peace be upon him, has released memos TO THE ENEMY showing what our techniques are. Most of those techniques relied on the ILLUSION of much greater dangers – they weren’t REALLY going to drown, just feel like it. They weren’t REALLY going to get bitten by insects and caterpillars, but they were led to believe they would.
So now our enemy knows what techniques were used, and now all they have to do is just think “hmm, if I hold out, I know they will only subject me to something which SEEMS worse than it really is – I can handle it!”
Were these techniques uncomfortable? Sure. Did they produce great anxiety & fear? You bet. But did they produce any permanent injuries, or death? Nope.
Do you think that if an American soldier is caught by the Taliban or Al Quaida, the worst thing they’ll do to them is pour some water over them or put them in a room with a caterpillar? haahhahaha
Contrary to what some of you bleeding hearts think, there are some things the general public does NOT need to know – ESPECIALLY when it comes to matters of National Security. If you wish to know that information, then apply for a job, go through a background check, and get cleared for a “need to know.”

Not only did you guys not read the documents, you didn’t read the letter accompanying these documents, which says:
“This information, however, is draw from the past files of the CIA and represents [memoranda for the record] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened.”
I’m looking forward to ABC’s retraction.

Here goes Pelosi’s another trip to her native country Italy, even if she has no problem to get an air force jet to fly her and coworkers like Jay Rockfellor, Diana Feinstein, jane Harman etc to make such ‘fun’ friendship visit.

Okay, it’s time to hold Pelosi accountable for her bold-facing lies.
Another thing, we need to get rid of that notion that Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002. That’s false. The number “83″ refers to “pours.” Everytime water was poured….that’s the count. It’s a big difference.

did any of you actually read this report? of course not, otherwise you’d know it proves NOTHING. abc get a factchecker or ombudsman STAT please.

“Uh, according to the CIA, Pelosi wasn’t briefed on waterboarding until 2004. And the first briefing on interrogation techniques in 2002 was 35 days after waterboarding began.
It helps if you actually, you know, READ THE DOCUMENTS, guys.
Another failure of American journalism.”
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JM,
What difference does it make WHEN? 2002, 2004…who cares? She did NOT go on the record stating she thought this was wrong.
She could have informed anyone from the leaders (Gephardt) of her party in 2002 who also had access to this information (in 2004 SHE was the minority leader!!!), to the Speaker of the House at the time (Hastert), to the leadership at CIA, to anyone in the White House chain of command who was also involved in the briefings.
Has anyone seen any documented evidence that she opposed this? Obama has released a bunch of formerly classified documents, do you think he would have withheld anything that would have shown she was against this from the start?

Our enemies must laugh their asses off daily, as fully half our population convulses in self loathing.

Jane, Please provide links for when the US prosecuted others for ONLY waterboarding. I do know that there were Japanese soldiers who were prosecuted for war crimes, but waterboarding was the LEAST of the things they did. Now, you may think that waterboarding is “torture” but some Japanese soldiers bound their prisoners’ hands and feet, kept them motionless for weeks on end over top of bamboo seedlings. Being as bamboo grows really fast (about a foot per day for some species), the trees actually grew THROUGH the prisoners bodies because they couldn’t move off the stumps.
Oh, and there were the times the Japanese locked prisoners in a room and set it on fire.
Or what about the wonderful times where they used techniques from waaaaay back in Japan’s history – like lining up several prisoners in a row and using Samurai swords to see how many heads they could lop off w/ one slice of the blade (you know how sharp those Samurai swords are touted to be).
But yeah, compared to these examples – waterboarding is torture!!

Somebody who calls himself John said: “What difference does it make WHEN? 2002, 2004…who cares? She did NOT go on the record stating she thought this was wrong.”
1.) She couldn’t go on the record without violating the law. Do you forget that Bush and Cheney were threatening everyone with arrest and prosecution for violating state secrets act.
2.) She wasn’t actually told that this is what Bush and Cheney were doing. The headline on this story isn’t news and it’s nothing that Pelosi has denied: Pelosi Briefed on Use of Interrogation Tactics in September ’02.
That’s precisely what Pelosi herself has said. What else she said was that she and the others present, including Porter Goss, were told that the White House said that it had memos from the OLC that said the “harsh interrogation tactics” it wanted to use which included waterboarding was legal. The White House then said, according to Pelosi, “So we can use them if we want.” Pelosi responded, “We’ll see about that, should you decide to do that, which you have said you haven’t yet decided, but will inform us, Congress, should you get to that point.”
Pelosi also said that when she and Goss were leaving the White House, Goss said, “You can bet if they’ve got OLC saying that it’s legal, they’re already doing it”, to which Pelosi replied, “That’s not what they said in there, and I got a clear understanding with them that they would inform us if and when.”
Goss, when asked about that conversation said, “I don’t recall.”
Pelosi didn’t order the waterboarding, the torture, and does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney would have paid any attention had she objected? Does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney threatened Democrats with arrest and prosecution? We saw Bush and Cheney threaten for ourselves!
You’ll have to excuse me now while I tear myself away to go have root canal, which is only marginally more attractive than trying to reason with conservatives who have no interest in truth or rule of law.

In 2004 I was a battalion commander in Iraq as such I was personally responsible for 612 American lives. We captured many enemy combatants most were fed, clothed, given medical attention, shelter, and protection. Occasionally one of these guys lied to us or attempted the injure those guarding him/her. One prisoner had over $50,000 in cash on him when he was captured. His explanation was he had just sold his car. Those who failed to cooperate with us and had timely information that would protect the lives of my soldiers were immediately turned them over to the ISF. Everyone involved understood that they were about to be beaten within an inch of their lives. Call it torture if you must but I brought 611 of our nation’s finest young American men and women home. Sadly, I lost one soldier in a non-combat related traffic accident. What most Americans fail to understand is that if one of our enemies could get inside your home he would kill you, your spouse, your children, and probably your dog. We are dealing with really bad people.
Posted by: John | May 8, 2009 11:13:07 AM
John Thank you for your service. I do understand. Thank God for people like you that are willing to toe the line to protect us all.

Water boarding a terrorist that will save innocent lives versus Not water boarding a terrorist that will allow the death of thousands of innocent people. Seems to me the people railing against water boarding could be charged with second degree murder or at minimum, sued by the survivors for wrongful death.

If you lower yourself to your enemies’ level, you become the enemy. Period. Now that this precedent has unfortunately been set, next time it will be American citizens who will be tortured and held with no recourse. Crazy, you say? The Bush administration had orchestrated legal ruling saying that it was “legal”. It was just never used, but probably would have been. This nation has always been a beacon of morality and fairness to the rest of the world. Because of these issues, we are no better than any other country that tortures. And please don’t get on your emotional high horse about 9/11 and the deaths of our brave service men and women. For this discussion, those tragedies are irrelevant. All the torture in the world will neither bring them back or justify these actions. There will always be bad people in the world.

So which is it pelosi your an idiot and don’t understand briefings or your a liar?????????????????

If you lower yourself to your enemies’ level, you become the enemy. Period. Now that this precedent has unfortunately been set, next time it will be American citizens who will be tortured and held with no recourse.
Posted by: DaveM | May 8, 2009 2:05:37 PM
When have captured American soldiers not been tortured? Sure you keep taking the high road no one else give a damn. The rest of the world is laughing because so many people are in a tizzy because we made some Jihadist Community Coordinator think he was drowning or in a box with a bug.

please …we want a truth commission, bring it on as i think you will find more lies on the left. in addition the right is out of power and the left has the most to lose. thats why obama doesnt want the TRUTH COMMISION HEARINGS…because pelosi and reid will be proven liars.

What wrong with water boarding to terrorist like Al-qaida No.2 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Nothing wrong with that. These terrorists will cut your throat with un-sharpened knife if they got you. They will bomb your city if they have a chance. Why those politicians are talking about moral even they don’t have 1% of moral in their life time. I have no doubt some of democrat know about water boarding on Al-qaida terrorists. They won’t be told you what they know without torture. Bush administration did it for American peoples. If Obama think water boarding is torture and immoral and then he must stop bombing on innocent children, women and men in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The children skin were burning from white phosphorus chemical bomb it was used by Alliance troops. It is worst then water boarding on Al-qaida terrorist. Killing innocent peoples are criminal. I support water boarding on Al-qaida terrorists. I do not support bombing on innocent civilian.

Pelosi et al: Liars, RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody who calls herself kay said: “JaneC, If someone kidnapped your child and buried them alive with only two hours of air were captured and would not give up the information required to save your child’s life, would you ok water boarding if you thought it would save your child’s life. Tell the truth. To me the greater moral question has always been is the saving of innocent lives a higher moral value than water boarding a person who has information that can save innocent lives. I vote for saving innocent lives, maybe yours or your child’s even.”
If you call for saving innocent lives, then you would want to go with methods that work, are tried and true, and not waterboarding.
I’ve put links to You Tube of interviews with experts, like SERE trainers, former CIA interrogators, etc., but ABC doesn’t allow them. Go to You Tube and search for these keywords, then click on the top clip on the list that comes back:
A former Army interrogator and SERE instructor explains why waterboarding SERE trainees isn’t the same as the CIA’s waterboarding, and volunteers to waterboard Sean Hannity. He says he will get Hannity to say that Countdown with Keith Olbermann is his favorite show as proof that people will say anything when tortured to get it to stop. The clip is the 2nd down from the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords: countdown keith olbermann mike ritz sere instructor sean hannity torture waterboarding waterboarded charles grodin groden 4/27/09
Here’s an interview with former CIA bureau chief Tyler Drumheiller talking about how waterboarding does not work. This clip is at the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
hardball chris matthews cia tyler drumheller chief european operations torture waterboarding cheney gitmo abu ghraib
Here’s former CIA operative Bob Baer talking about how waterboarding gets the tortured person to say what he thinks the torturer wants to hear, and that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, waterboarded 183 times in one month, is now “almost brain dead”, and talks specifically to your question, “Is it worth trying?”. This clip is at the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
keith olbermann countdown hardball chris matthews torture program memos bob baer CIA waterboarding khalid sheikh mohammed brain dead
A clip about doctors being on hand during the torture, in case the detainees died while being waterboarded (drowned), a doctor could cut his throat, perform a tracheotomy. The clip is at the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
countdown keith olbermann jonathan turley cia torture waterboarding physicians doctors doctor physician memos steven bradbury 4/27/09
Here’s an interview with retired Army General Jean-Paul Baptiste on the subject. The clip is at the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
jean-paul baptiste countdown keith olberman secret torture documents cheney waterboarding bush administration 4/24/09 part+4
There is no gray area–Waterboarding is torture and it’s a war crime, it’s the law, and it’s been settled law for decades. The clip is at the top of the page you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
countdown keith olbermann torture waterboarding settled law 4/23/09 peggy noonan glenn beck sean hannity
The purpose of the waterboarding was to get false confessions to links between Al Qaeda and 9/11. The clips are at the top of the pages you will get when you search You Tube with these keywords:
hardball chris matthews sheldon whitehouse kit bond senator saddam hussein 9/11 iraq al+qaeda torture waterboarding los+angeles+plot 4/27/09 CIA army+field+manual
keywords: hardball chris matthews patrick pat buchanan lawrence o’donnell guantanamo bay gitmo torture waterboard waterboarding 4/27/09 memos interrogator testimony

Somebody who calls himself Mike_C said: “By the way, care to address John? since you yourself have had how much expereince in ANY real world situation like this?”
I do not address unknown and anonymous people’s unverifiable claims made on the internet. For all we know, you (Mike_C) could be ‘John’, sock puppeting.
Your account of what Pelosi has said is inaccurate.
1.) She couldn’t go on the record without violating the law. Do you forget that Bush and Cheney were threatening everyone with arrest and prosecution for violating state secrets act.
2.) She wasn’t actually told that this is what Bush and Cheney were doing. The headline on this story isn’t news and it’s nothing that Pelosi has denied: Pelosi Briefed on Use of Interrogation Tactics in September ’02.
That’s precisely what Pelosi herself has said. What else she said was that she and the others present, including Porter Goss, were told that the White House said that it had memos from the OLC that said the “harsh interrogation tactics” it wanted to use which included waterboarding was legal. The White House then said, according to Pelosi, “So we can use them if we want.” Pelosi responded, “We’ll see about that, should you decide to do that, which you have said you haven’t yet decided, but will inform us, Congress, should you get to that point.”
Pelosi also said that when she and Goss were leaving the White House, Goss said, “You can bet if they’ve got OLC saying that it’s legal, they’re already doing it”, to which Pelosi replied, “That’s not what they said in there, and I got a clear understanding with them that they would inform us if and when.”
Goss, when asked about that conversation said, “I don’t recall.”
Pelosi didn’t order the waterboarding, the torture, and does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney would have paid any attention had she objected? Does anybody doubt that Bush and Cheney threatened Democrats with arrest and prosecution? We saw Bush and Cheney threaten for ourselves. We remember what Jay Rockefeller did, the letter he handwrote and placed in his safe for insurance after Cheney briefed him on illegal surveillance techniques being employed and threatened Rockefeller not to tell anyone.

I swear conservatives, if the news or your party told you to argue for dropping a nuke on Mexico you would fight for it, even if it meant you would be blown up with it.
Which, if you didn’t catch the metaphor, allow me to spell it out…
By torturing people, whoever they are, we are giving up our ideals as a nation. I’m not talking about Republican or Democrat ideals, but American ideals. We are supposed to be the leader in this world, so lets lead it in the right way.”
Posted by: Cant Beleive It
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Would you call it torture if a cow get clubs in the head then then get its head cut off?
If you say that is torture then you’ll be surprised to know this had been done thousand of times a week to get beef to your dinner table.
The libs fail to realized that it’s the INTENT that defines what is torture.

It’s only going to get worse folks. All we can do is sit back and watch. :(

JaneC,
A lie is a lie.

What do you expect, Boo? This is after all ABC (American Broadcast Conservatives).

I see comments suggesting that torture is okay because we assume those that are being tortured are bad guys. And that because these bad people would hurt our children or those we cherish, somehow makes torture the right thing to do… ???
As an American citizen…as a wife and mother… When I found out that now ex-husband had been sexually molesting my daughter from my first marriage… while I worked nights at the Post Office…
I can tell you that I was not allowed to torture this person…
He apparently started molesting her at only six years old…
I was enraged… as a victim of child sexual abuse myself, I had vowed that it would not happen to my daughter…
I was guilt ridden, that I had not been able to keep my daughter safe and that it had happened within my own home,,,right under nose…was the greatest of betrayals…
I would have loved to torture this man who had violated my child’s body and innocence…as he who would also force me to relive my own childhood drama…
I found myself wishing for my own brand of ustice for such a crime…
But again…
I am not allowed to torture even someone that has forcibly taken something so precious from my own child, in my own home, in my own country…
There are laws in place that I would have to break or in this case rewrite in order to serve my own desire to punish my ex husband in a way I see fitting…
Believe me it ran though my mind…
to be able to extract certain details from him…and to make him feel pain as I imagined my little daughter’s confusion at someone she was supposed to be able to trust…violating her in such a cowardly fashion.
But what would that then make me…???
And would it then give my daughter back her innocence…?
I take solace in the knowledge… that what goes around, comes around and not being a religious person…
I feel that I must turn this burden over to a higher power than myself…
I will not become as lowly as he has shown himself to be.

If they are going to investigate some on President Bush’s council for the interrogation flap, why not include Pelosi? As the top Democrat on the House Intelligence committee she was responsible enough to raise a flag at the mere mention of these interrogation techniques. Yet she never hesitated to throw any Republican in Bush’s cabinet on the fire for any vote involving the Iraq war. What a hypocrite, what a liar and she now leads the House in congress.
President Obama and the other senior Democratic leaders in congress should look at her removal from the Speaker of the House position or risk their political careers.
As a registered Independent, I expect the truth from both political sides.

Shocking…another liberal lie exposed.

Utterly amazing- she was caught lying red-handed… and she’s still lying.
Pelosi says she was told the Bush Adm. was considering using water-boarding and other techniques “in the future” only. So that means that she was not told “they (EITs) were being USED (yet)”.
But even this lame hair-splitting BS that is at odds with the CIA memo dated to 9-4-02 that says Pelosi received a “briefing on EITs (enhanced interrogation techniques), including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.”
Of course, she raised no objection to any of it for almost 5 years- until she was Speaker in 2007 and the antiwar left raised it as an issue. Suddenly she’s against it, and/or “knew nothing”. And obviously willing to lie to the whole country to create a more favorable reality.
Apparently Obama and Pelosi forgot something: the CIA KILLS people… it’s in their job description.
Did Pelosi and Obama think these killers were going to meekly take one for the team… when the team captain is a lying, incompetent, arrogant nebbish with no real-world experience and who told them they need to kiss his ring? – please
Pelosi is a Machiavellian, no-talent hack who’s made a lot of enemies. Going to be hard to BS her way out of this one.

According to the above report on the intelligence memos released, Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August.
And Pelosi is trying to say those briefing her just happened to leave that out?
I’m sure she would have raised all kinds of hell if they briefed her as she said…that it was only a possible technique, then she found out later that they had actually used it prior to her briefing.
What a liar! …but then she’s a Dem.

I am a registered Democrat and consider myself a liberal, for the most part. I think that if indeed Pelosi or any Democrat is involved in this, she/they should be held accountable. Granted, knowing is not the same as giving orders, but keeping silent makes the Speaker and whomever else, guilty of complicity with the illegal (not to mention immoral) practices of the Bush administration. What we need is the truth, no matter whom it involves.
Frankly, if Pelosi goes, I can’t say I will miss her. She can even take Harry Reid with her.

No, she didn’t break the law — she’s just a liar. But then you liberals like people in Congress and the White House to be like that; after all, you fell for Obama, the Liar-in-Chief, as low a scumbag as has ever crawled out of any stinking moral cesspool on the planet.

By focusing on what Pelosi knew about the Bush administration’s use of torture of which was boisterously supported by Republicans, ABC can effectively ignore that the Bush administration is responsible for the torture, and began long before informing congress.
Once informed, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee expressed opposition to the CIA. The Dems were vehemently against the torture, though they had no way of stopping it.
This is no more than an attempt at deflection from the real culprits who brought shame on America — the morally bankrupt neocons in the Cheney/Bush administration.

…and Pelosi is how close to the presidency?

Nancy Pelosi lies about not knowing about waterboarding – and her approval. She was just on television – she is so obviously in a mess it is obvious she lies. She is stuttering = hey what comes around goes around. She is so obviously going to have to resign. Accusing the CIA of not telling the truth. HA HA watch her be kicked out by her own party. She is bringing the Democrats down, and well, they are not going to put up with her anymore. Bye Bye Nancy – LOL. Hey Nancy – ‘what comes around goes around’……your big mouth has buried you!

Pelosi lied?? What about Hillary Clinton and “ducking sniper fire”. She is now Secretary of State.
Shows what kind of administration we now have.

Since Cheney decided to rewrite laws and twist up the constitution to make “enhanced interrogations”, in other words…torture legal…
Even if Pelosi was briefed what was she really going to do…
This briefing was classified and some of it still is…who was she really going to tell???
This is just a desperate attempt by Conservative Republicans to distract by dumping blame on Pelosi…
And to all those trying to justify torture…
George Washington had to deal with the moralities of torture… and set the bar high for future generations…until Cheney…
” In one egregious incident, at the battle at Drake’s Farm, British troops murdered all seven of Washington’s soldiers who had surrendered, crushing their brains with muskets.
writes historian David Fischer,
“The Americans recovered the mutilated corpses and were shocked,” wrote Mr. Fischer. The British commander simply denied responsibility. “The words of the British commander, as much as the acts of his men,” wrote Mr. Fischer, “reinforced the American resolve to run their own war in a different spirit. … Washington ordered that Hessian captives would be treated as human beings with the same rights of humanity for which Americans were striving. The Hessians … were amazed to be treated with decency and even kindness. At first they could not understand it.” The same policy was extended to British prisoners. (posted in the New York Times by Thomas L Friedman in March 2005…
So it is very American “not” to support torture…

The democrats lied on the TARP funding, lied on the knowing tha AIG bonuses were being sent, lied after they voted for clinton to take out saddam, lied after Bush got in claiming he somehow changed the briefs they got under clinton to make the regime change bill THEY passed, and now, since the CIA cannot publicly respond, Pelosi calls them liars.
The democrats will get Americans killed on our soil, with their politcal antics, just wait and see – agents in the CIA are bailing, and have had to take out personal insurance since 1995 because THEY KNOW the politicans are POLITICAL TRAITORS to the USA – after okaying and demanding the job from the CIA – they THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS.
Next time, when the BUS BLOWS UP and the cia agents are laying on the streets blocks and miles behind the explosive fireball, and WE’RE ON FIRE – don’t come crying to lyin’ Nan, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Sometimes you wonder how these things get started. Take this big flap in the news about what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was told about prisoners being tortured by American officials, and the fact that a growing number of Republicans are saying she concurred with the practice. How damned convenient for them that she was once briefed by the Bush Administration.
Now, remember: Nancy Pelosi didn’t torture anyone. Nor did she ORDER torture to be committed. Nor did did she WRITE a memo that authorized it. Nor did she make any CLAIMS that what was being done in America’s name wasn’t torture. IT WAS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION THAT DID THOSE THINGS. The blame rests solely upon those who wrote the memos, ordered the torture to commence, and who actually performed that torture. But you wouldn’t know that if you listened to the news.
Focusing upon Pelosi is like blaming a bystander for witnessing a car wreck. Peter King, for example, who’s the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said that if Pelosi failed to object to the torture techniques at the time she was briefed, then — now, pay close attention to this neat twist of logic — she was “an ENABLER” and “an ACCOMPLICE.” Republicans say that any probe into torture should be broadened to include what Pelosi knew and how much influence she had in shaping the Bush administration’s controversial policies. Can you appreciate the chuztpah it takes to make such a statement? Do you catch a whiff of blackmail in the air?
People who do bad things to other people, regardless of their motives, are rarely found to be fountains of honesty. And when they descend from their self-appointed high places to explain themselves, they not only tend to blame others for their actions but also rush to find accomplices where none exist.
What you’re seeing is a distraction, pure and simple, one which was purposely orchestrated by the brain trust of the Republican Party. They want to divert your attention away from what really happened and, instead, keep you busy pondering some other crappy little details that don’t amount to a bead of sweat on a gnat’s behind. It’s another form of “bait ‘n switch,” except here the Republicans are successfully switching the public’s attention away from some terribly rotten bait that came right out of their own bag several years ago, but which is now stinking up the ship of state. They keep pointing in other directions as the source of the smell. And the media, which should know better by now, is stupidly falling for the switch and is performing as their salesmen. In a word, it’s shameful.