Obama Administration Reaches Plea Agreement with al-Marri; Fate of Gitmo Detainees Still Up in Air
Speaking at the American Academy at Berlin in Germany, Attorney General Eric Holder proudly cited the plea agreement of admitted al Qaeda sleeper operative Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri as an example of how terrorists can be tried in U.S. criminal courts.
“Al-Marri had been sitting in a naval brig in South Carolina for more than five years facing no charges, without the prospect of either release or prosecution,” Holder said. “But in February, the Justice Department indicted him in federal court on two counts of providing and conspiring with others to provide material support to al-Qaeda.”
Al-Marri pleaded guilty in a U.S. court to one count of conspiracy to provide material support to the terrorist group, the Justice Department dropped the other charge. Sentencing is set for July 30; al-Marri faces up to 15 years more in imprisonment, a $250,000 fine, and a life term of “supervised release.”
“Without a doubt, this case is a grim reminder of the seriousness of the threat we as a nation still face,” said Holder in a statement. “But it also reflects what we can achieve when we have faith in our criminal justice system and are unwavering in our commitment to the values upon which the nation was founded and the rule of law.”
Not everyone heralded al-Marri’s plea as a victory, given that al-Marri could be released from prison as soon as 2016 if the judge rules to include time served within the 15 years. Former commander of the USS Cole Commander Kirk Lippold, a fellow at Military Families United, said that the Obama administration is setting “an unacceptably low standard for holding terrorists accountable for their actions.”
“This dangerous terrorist will serve one-third of the jail time the law provides,” said Lippold in a statement. “Al-Marri will be receiving the same sentence as a person tried for identity theft or fraud even though he, reportedly met with Osama Bin Laden, was assigned to sabotage the U.S. financial system and possessed information on computer hacking, creating false drivers licenses and other false identification cards.”
Lippold argues that cases such as al-Marri’s should remain in the hands of the Pentagon and military commissions, lest “dangerous terrorists” be acquitted and freed.
Al-Marri, 43, a dual national of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, arrived in the U.S. on September 10, 2001.
Acting U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Lang said that al-Marri was sent by 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the U.S. to commit acts of terrorism, after having been trained in various terrorist training camps since 1998. Mohammed directed al-Marri to meet with Mustafa al-Hawsawi, a primary financier of the 9/11 attacks, in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, where al-Hawsawi gave him $10,000.
On email — Mohammed was HOR70@hotmail.com, al-Marri was farwaa@yahoo.com –- the two communicated. Mohammed also gave al-Marri contact information for several al-Qaeda associates, and an established a pre-arranged code, where al-Marri called Mohammad “Muk” and referred to himself as “Abdo.” Al-Marri applied for a student visa at Bradley University.
From Sept. 23, 2001 until his arrest Nov. 4, 2001, al-Marri tried to reach al-Hawsawi and other al-Qaeda operatives, but he was unable to. He conducted online research of various cyanide compounds. An almanac recovered in his residence was bookmarked at pages showing dams, waterways and tunnels in the U.S. He was arrested in December 2001 on a material witness warrant issued in connection with the investigation of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
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How to deal with the roughly 250 detainees who remain in Guantanamo Bay was raised yesterday during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, where Defense Secretary Robert Gates said military commissions “are very much still on the table.”
“The question really is, what are we going to do with those that cannot be returned home either because we fear that … they won’t be monitored or kept under watch, or we worry that they’ll be persecuted when they go home?” Gates said, citing the 17 Muslim Chinese called Uighurs, some of whom may be released in the U.S., though Gates wasn’t sure if a final decision has been made.
“What I have heard people talking about is our taking some of the Uighurs — probably not all –because it’s difficult for the State Department to make the argument to other countries they should take these people that we have deemed in this case not to be dangerous if we won’t take any of them ourselves,” Gates said.
Indeed, Holder told European officials that “to close Guantanamo, we must all make sacrifices and we must all be willing to make unpopular choices. The United States is ready to do its part, and we hope that Europe will join us –- not out of a sense of responsibility, but from a commitment to work with one of its oldest allies to confront one of the world’s most pressing challenges.”
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble indicated they would take the matter under consideration.
Gates said the biggest issue remains “what do we do with the 50 to 100 — probably in that ballpark — who we cannot release and cannot trust, either in Article 3 courts or Military Commissions. And I think that question is still open.”
– jpt

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We have african-americans,,,,,hispanics and whites spending more time in prison than that for crack possession.
And this guy is hardcore and was planning to murder hundreds or thousands of Americans.
He’ll be out in ten, leave the country and we’ll end up killing him on the battlefield.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Al Marri was going to construct a ‘mobtaker’.
Read about it in Tenet’s book.
He walks into a crowded, enclosed place and kills hundreds, or more, with cyanide gas.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Holder: The United States is ready to do its part, and we hope that Europe will join us –- not out of a sense of responsibility, but from a commitment to work with one of its oldest allies to confront one of the world’s most pressing challenges.”
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I fear that Europe has already shown its hand by being constantly “outraged” about Guantanamo without ever offering any solutions. The prisoners were all taken in international wars on international battlefields, and the Europeans let us take both the prisoners and the heat while they benefited from having these guys detained.
Who knows if they’ll take any of the released prisoners, but my guess is once we start taking them in the US they’ll let us take them all.
Posted by: MayBee | May 1, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Does Holder propose softenning up all defendants by holding them 5 years or so without trial ?
Posted by: nat turner | May 1, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“I fear that Europe has already shown its hand by being constantly “outraged” about Guantanamo without ever offering any solutions”
We may disagree on much maybee but I think you are probably right about this.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 1, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
“I fear that Europe has already shown its hand by being constantly “outraged” about Guantanamo without ever offering any solutions”
Now substitute Democrats for Europe and the statement still holds.
Closing Guantanamo is not a solution, it is a posture. Until there is a plan for each and every detainee then it’s just empty rhetoric.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 1, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
“Gates said the biggest issue remains ‘what do we do with the 50 to 100 — probably in that ballpark — who we cannot release and cannot trust, either in Article 3 courts or Military Commissions. And I think that question is still open.’”
Hold ‘em without trial? Obama?
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | May 1, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
We know what will happen to many of them if we return them to their host country…and it won’t be caterpillars they have to worry about.
Under Clinton, we ‘outsourced’ real torture under the rendition program, authored and run by Micheal Scheuer.
He testified to that in front of Rep Delahunt’s committee on rendition..go to cspan and watch.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Eventually, one of our own will get killed as result of this kind of trial.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 1, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
The president himself has just ended the debate about whether enhanced interrogation techniques work:
“Reporting from Washington — In a strikingly defensive explanation of his stance on Bush-era anti-terrorism tactics, President Obama on Wednesday acknowledged for the first time that the harsh interrogation techniques he has banned might have yielded useful information, but that he was nonetheless willing to rule them out on moral grounds.
“…He conceded that ‘it may be harder’ to get information…”
(From the L.A. Times, a noted goofy-Left publication nearing bankruptcy.)
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | May 1, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
“reportedly met with Osama Bin Laden, was assigned to sabotage the U.S. financial system and possessed information on computer hacking, creating false drivers licenses and other false identification cards.”
And he got 15 years for it. Works for me.
J House:”And this guy is hardcore and was planning to murder hundreds or thousands of Americans.”
Wow, you have some incredibly critical information – why didn’t you submit it to the court? Because based on REALITY it seems like you’re hysterically making stuff up
Posted by: jhw539 | May 1, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Fascist Hyena:”The president himself has just ended the debate about whether enhanced interrogation techniques work:”
Yes, because the only question about torture was whether or not it *works*. I hear cutting the fingers off of a parent’s 7 year old in front of their eyes is a great way to make them talk – I suppose we should use that too, you know, you can’t argue with it if it works and working is the only thing that matters.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 1, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
“sabotage the U.S. financial system”
Thats a bit like bringing coal to Newcastle now, isn’t it?
Posted by: Flash Override | May 1, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
So how many years in prison did the bankers who actually DID sabotage the US financial system get?
How about the politicians, like Gramm, who aided and abetted them?
Posted by: Flash Override | May 1, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
How about the politicians, like Gramm, who aided and abetted them?
Is that the only Republican you can think of?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 1, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Oh yes…I feel safe.
Posted by: bailey | May 1, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
jhw,
You are under the impression that intelligence is courtroom evidence…it isn’t, and never will be.
Do you know who this man admits he was in contact with? (like, KSM and Hasawi, whose hands are bloody with 3000 dead on them)
Do you know he was here for the purpose of committing a future terrorist act?
This isn’t a game, pal.
And as long as we treat these insurgent/terrorists as criminals instead of our enemy we’re at war with, we’ll get another 9/11 sooner or later.
The President has the audacity to hope that that day never comes.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
I am very impressed with the clairvoyance of some here. You know secret intelligence information of future attacks, you can read minds, and the amazing ability to take words out of context and make new inaccuracies out of them..
Too bad you weren’t able to “get to the very heart of the Bush presidency.”
“The aide said that guys like me were ‘’in what we call the reality-based community,’’ which he defined as people who ‘’believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’’ I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘’That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’’ he continued. ‘’We’re an empire now, and when we act,
we create our own reality.
And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’’
Posted by: Neo-Con Kristal Balls | May 3, 2009, 4:48 am 4:48 am