Obama on Healthcare Reform: ‘The Stars are Aligned’

The stars are aligned for rationed healthcare. That’s what liar Obama left out.
Rationed healthcare means that you, your parents, or your grandparents (depending on your age) might be denied treatment because it is not cost-effective.

Do not minimize these. These are three pretty significant general guidelines. Picking one’s own doctor or health care provider is HUGE. Having everyone covered is HUGE. Reducing costs is HUGE. The details will follow as the plan is formulated. What did you expect, maybee? Having the whole thing worked out before on day one?

I have a son who works hard every day at a job with no health care benefits. I worry all the time that he will get sick or injured, and then be up a creek. We need all persons in this nation to have access to affordable coverage. We are all paying for these people now when they go to the emergency room and then cannot pay.

When does the revolution start?

Getting something through the House will be easy. It’s the moderates in the Senate that will dictate the pace of reform and what shape it takes.

Once again, he talks health care costs without addressing HOW those costs are going to be reduced to a level that makes a noticeable difference.
Is anybody going to really pin him (or Pelosi or Reid) down on that? Please do before this goes forward.
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Obama is basically doing the opposite of what Hillary Clinton did back in the early 80′s when she tried to reform HC. She had written out this huge detailed plan, then told Congress to pass it as is. Of course her approach gave the insurance industry and politicians in Congress all kinds of room to pick it apart, saying it would limit ppl’s choice or how would it be paid for. The result: Clinton’s plan went down in flames and nothing got done.
Obama put in his budget a way to pay for it, but is letting congress hash out the details. This approach has 2 benefits: hard to criticize the Pres. plan if there isn’t one and instills fear in the industry that a possible single payer plan could push prvt insurance out of the game. Will it work, who knows?
But there is discussions going on and hearings being held with experts in various fields by congress on CSPAN on how to go about this.
It kind of reminds me of JFK’s moonshot. He didn’t have a plan either. He just told the country, we’re doing this, and ordered the gov’t and prvt. sector to work together and get it done.

“As for day 1, I don’t know what you mean. Day 1 is long gone. They want a bill in about 60 days. Yes, more details should be discussed. More pros and cons aired by now.”
Again watch CSPAN. Hearings have been taking place on this for months now. This is the information age and info is out there if you want to look. This isn’t the 90′s, Congress are the one’s you should look to for details, not the White House.

Rationed Health Care………
Let the “Bad Blood” releasing and the “Leeching” begin!!
RUSHRUSHRUSHRUSHRUSH…..RUSH!!!
Anyone remember the rush for TARP1 and TARP2……Did you get to read it?
Me neither…..and look what a monster we have now!!
This here is the torpedo that tears out the hull of the USS America….women and children first?

Obama wasted $275 billion on his foreclosure bill why not throw more money down the rat hole?

Obama cannot pay for this.
Even if ‘NEW” money is found via taxes and other government robbery, it needs to be used for social security which we now know is going broke.
How can he even consider a new entitlement program when we have broken social security and medicare.
Only an idiot dem would start something so expensive when we cannot pay for years of diverting the tax dollars paid by citizens for these other programs.. that are now broke.
Lets set aside for the moment what a massively horrible plan they are creating with huge rationing an necessarily higher death rates.
Lets set aside for the moment how the dems stood up in congress and cheered when they kept Bush from passing legislation to fix social security.
The dems are soooooo stupid, or they think we are, they will pass this rationed health care bill. They also know full well that they will have to have a massive tax increase ON EVERYONE if they are to shore up and pay for :
Social Security,
Medicaid,
and now a National Health care program.
We need to get rid of these idiots now.
Lets also remember that they are also passing a cap and trade legislation which will, as they admit, be another massive expense on taxpayers and a job killer to boot.
Anyone want to admit to , or apologize for voting for these abject morons.

What is next for “The One”? Parting the Red Sea? Or another reference to a “light from above” that will shine upon and tell you who to vote for?
Amazing. Obama, “the One”, wake up! We need a single-payer, universal healthcare system with tort reform. Unburden our companies! Unchain the self-employed! Help out the poor and students! There is so much lost profits because American businesses are hampered by this healthcare system.
The current system -and the system Obama supports- transfers wealth from companies, individuals, and charities to LAWYERS and INSURANCE COMPANIES. That is the number1 priority- not patient care, efficiency,etc. Obama is keeping the same system with the benefit (for him) of having access to EVERYONE’s health records in a database controlled by his political appointees (called “health czar”). This will contain all prescriptions, health history, sexual history, mental health history, alcohol/drug history, disease history, etc. Wonder how that info can be used by “The One”, and his handlers, in politics!

david:” what we are likely to get is rationed care for the masses overseen by politicians and bureaucrats who can’t seem to find their rears with both hands while the wealthy will still be able to get the best that can be bought.
Out of curiosity, what do you think we have now? Government has always been a case of ‘the worst option out there, except for all the other ones.’

MNM – Are you willing to shell out upwards of $2000 more for your premiums? How do you think the uninsured get covered?
“one in three Americans—went without health insurance for some period during 2007 and 2008. While rising unemployment and job losses
caused an estimated 14,000 people to lose their health insurance every day in December
2008 and January 2009 alone.” (Harbraeus)
Posted by: Paige | May 13, 2009 12:43:21 PM
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Oh I’ll be shelling out far more than that in increased taxes and the premium they will charge all of us for their rationed program.
Your data on the uninsured by the way is skewed. The data includes people who could, but chose not to pay for health insurance. They wanted the second car or the vacation and they feel someone else should pay.
The numbers of uninsured also include, and you should know this, everyone who already has some form of health care paid for by the federal government. That includes the CHIP program , medicare and multitude of state run health care for low income families. These folks are already getting their health care on the government dole, yet count because they don’t have private health insurance.
Lastly a huge chunk of those Obama wants to cover are ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO DON’T PAY TAXES.
When all those groups are removed there are about 15 million truly uninsured people left.
I am all for finding a program to help them.
IN any event a national health care program will be a disaster for our longevity and economy as it has been everywhere it has ever been tried. There is no track record in our government of managing money for entitlement programs such as medicare and social security. Why on earth do you think they could manage this.

Only an idiot Republican would see the government spending $1 trillion to save private business and citizens $2 trillion as a net loss. Sure, lets keep our current system where doctors spend more time on paperwork, hospitals have full time employees to deal with billing the myraid of insurers, and anyone with a pre-existing condition cannot get insurance at any price and is essentially covered by ER visits only.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 13, 2009 12:50:29 PM
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Spare me. 100 billion was paid out to GM and Chrysler to SAVE them, and they Obama GAVE THE COMPANY to his union supporters.
That 100 billion is indeed a net loss not a gain, except for Obamas re-election campaign and coffers.
I can see why you approve of that.
On top of all that the companies are now sending jobs to Mexico. Even today autoworkers are protesting. The unions got their billions in payoff so they don’t care if they screw the workers now.
Don’t forget that another 200 billion was funneled to banks overseas to bailout Euro banks. Remember, funneled via AIG.
There is not enough room for all the examples and lets not forget that in order to payoff all his buddies and wrest control of private industry so he can continue his blackmail and power building program … he spend money we did not have, quadrupled the deficit in four months, forced so much borrowing even China chided him, and the interest alone on all this will break us.
How on earth do you call these “investments” money makers? I think we know who the real moron is.
All of this debt on top of social security being broke, medicare long ago going broke because all of the dollars in were diverted and only and abject IDIOT would then recommend yet another entitlement, a lousy but very expensive one at that, at a time like this.
Just where do you think he will get the money to pay for all of what we need?
Massive debt
Social Security
Medicare
Idiot National Health care

“Surely you don’t think a half million jobs lost as holding up?”
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I’m saying at this point it would be much worse.
“The government hired almost 100,000 workers in the past 8 weeks so fabulous more on the tax dole.”
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If the gov’t didn’t hire those ppl, they’d be out of work collecting unemployment right now.
“I am also sure you dems read the NYT which told us just within the past week how little of the money was being spent (the stimulus) and that those dollars being spent went to areas that needed it the least.”
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It’s good that newspapers are watching it because we will need alot more of that with this much money flooding the economy.
“Tarp, almost 3 trillion now with add ons, (350 billion admittedly spent by Bush) is helping Obama more than the rest of us.”
No one likes giving money to banks and Obama will get the blame even though you are right in saying this didn’t start on his watch. But he has the opportunity to use TARP to regulate the banks and shrink them so if the fail again it won’t take down the whole country.
“He uses it to blackmail banks into forgiving debt for companies such as GM and Chrysler, you know the ones he gave to his union supporters.”
Chrysler went into bankrupcy and that’s why our bailout cash is being forgiven. Obama tried to stop this.
“Obama will not even allow the banks who want to get out of the tarp cycle to pay back the money. He is about power and is using our tax dollars to shore his up.”
What’s the point of them paying it back if they are just allowed to go back to business as usual and we’re back to thse big banks holding the country hostage in the future. Of course there has to be some change and regulation.
“His own CBO tells us how much damage he is doing.”
11 trillion dollars of this coutry’s wealth got wiped out last year. This country has been through a major trama and is still going through it. Avoiding a depression is expensive.

What’s the point of them paying it back if they are just allowed to go back to business as usual and we’re back to thse big banks holding the country hostage in the future. Of course there has to be some change and regulation.
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You are not paying attention. The bailout dollars given by Bush was contingent on the companies making concessions, such as union salaries and benefits and returning with a viable business plan. The time to accomplish this ended during the Obama reign.
Of course the unions made no concessions, Billions upon billions more went to the auto companies from taxpayer dollars.
Without those concessions we knew the dollars were wasted because the business plan remained the same, but Obama does not do anything that unions don’t want.
Then the owners and investors wanted a real chapter 11, with court ordered adjustments , which always include wage and salary adjustments.
Obama threatened the owners into giving up that plan and simply walking away with far less.
Those investors and owners represented other retirement plans for the rest of us but got screwed because once again Obama was not going to allow even a court to take anything away from the Unions.
He then simply gave the companies to the Unions, taxpayer investment and all, and now the jobs still are not being saved because even as we speak plans are being made to send those auto jobs to Mexico.
Turn on your TV, autoworkers are protesting right now.
So with billions of tax dollars, stealing the company from the rightful owners. the jobs are going away anyway, but those unions sure made out like bandits and will pay Obama back in cash and votes,

MNM states “Your data on the uninsured by the way is skewed. The data includes people who could, but chose not to pay for health insurance. They wanted the second car or the vacation and they feel someone else should pay.”
OMG – How about providing references and stats to back up this elaborate claim.

MNM: I notice that you did not have a single response to the actual subject of my post.
A government health care system would cost the government an enormous amount of money. But it would save the people of America an even larger amount of money. Tax me $500/year to save me $1000/year? I’ll take it.
That’s a good investment, one that every other first world nation has made.

OMG – How about providing references and stats to back up this elaborate claim.
Posted by: Paige | May 13, 2009 1:52:24 PM

MNM:”Look what has happened with social security and medicare, both broke.”
Neither is broke. Medicare will be broke in about 8 years if the economy remains in recession (unlikely) and nothing is done to fix it (also unlikely).
Medicare and Social Security have been broke before. The fix is always unpleasant (raise the retirement age), so it is put off, but that seem the only way to get anything done. Look at what happened to Gore when he tried to preemptively address it and was widely mocked for his ‘lock box’ plan.

“Of course the unions made no concessions, Billions upon billions more went to the auto companies from taxpayer dollars.”
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That’s not accurate. The unions did make concessions. It just wasn’t enough. That’s why Obama gave them a little more money to last a month or 2 then come back with something legit.
“Without those concessions we knew the dollars were wasted because the business plan remained the same, but Obama does not do anything that unions don’t want.”
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The unions didn’t want their salaries and retirement benefits cut, or to be taken into bankrupcy but that all happened anyway didn’t it?
“Then the owners and investors wanted a real chapter 11, with court ordered adjustments , which always include wage and salary adjustments.”
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That all happened. The Obama administration negotiated salary cuts from unions and concessions from the banks too, then because bond holders felt they could get more in bankrupcy court, Chrysler was made to do so. The judge will decide how much money the bond holders get and because the admin. did most of the work outside of the courts, hopefully that means they can reimurge relatively faster and more lean a company. Bond holders were never going to get all their money repaid because that meant liquidation.
“Those investors and owners represented other retirement plans for the rest of us but got screwed because once again Obama was not going to allow even a court to take anything away from the Unions.”
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The previous Chrysler management and the recession as a whole screwed those investors because no one was buying cars.
He then simply gave the companies to the Unions, taxpayer investment and all, and now the jobs still are not being saved because even as we speak plans are being made to send those auto jobs to Mexico.”
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Not simple at all. GM made bad decisions in the past which is why the previous CEO was fired. All businesses send jobs to Mexico and those workers should be protesting because none of GM’s current troubles are their fault. They just want a decent wage.
“Turn on your TV, autoworkers are protesting right now.”
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I know.
“So with billions of tax dollars, stealing the company from the rightful owners. the jobs are going away anyway, but those unions sure made out like bandits and will pay Obama back in cash and votes,”
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Don’t be so sure because there’s still a good chance GM might go bankrupt as well no matter what Obama does or doesn’t do.

Anyone? I have spoken to three of my four aunts (I’ll have to check in with Aunt Jo next time I visit) about their health care system. I have spoken to a Canadian friend who went through brain surgery in Canada for a tumor. I have spoken to my aunt and uncle -inlaws in Norway. None of these six data points agree with your view (pretty surprising considering the NHS really hit a low pretty recently). Not one. Interesting that.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 13, 2009 2:03:16 PM
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You are simply lying and the supporting data is easily available.
Also I posted part of an article, and the title if anyone wants to look for it, as we cannot post links, that support the data on the uninsured, there are many more out there so if you don’t like this one it is documented over and over again.
This is the last time I do the homework for you hostile lazy lying dems.
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The Facts on the Uninsured in America
Who Are the Uninsured? It is often assumed that the uninsured are all low-income families. But among households earning less than $25,000, the number of uninsured actually fell by about 24 percent over the past 10 years. [See the figure.] The uninsured include diverse groups, each uninsured for a different reason:
Immigrants. About 12.6 million foreign-born residents lack health coverage -accounting for 27 percent of the uninsured. In 2006, 83.6 percent of naturalized citizens had coverage – close to the rate of native-born residents (87.8 percent). In contrast, 45 percent of foreign-born noncitizen residents were uninsured. These 10 million uninsured immigrants were more than 20 percent of the total number of uninsured U.S. residents. Income may be a factor – but not the only one. A partial explanation for this disparity is that many immigrants come from cultures without a strong history of paying premiums for private health insurance. In addition, immigrants do not qualify for public coverage until they have been legal residents for more than five years.
The Young and Healthy. About 19 million 18-to-34-year olds are uninsured. Most of them are healthy and know they can pay incidental expenses out of pocket. Using hard-earned dollars to pay for health care they don’t expect to need is a low priority for them.
Higher-Income Workers. As the figure shows, the fastest-growing segment of the uninsured population over the past 10 years has been middle- and upper-income families. From 1997 to 2006, the number of uninsured among households earning more than $50,000 annually actually increased by more than seven million. The ranks of the uninsured in households earning $50,000 to $75,000 increased 49 percent, while the number of uninsured households earning above $75,000 increased 90 percent.

from the gray lady…
“Forty-five House Democrats in the party’s moderate-to-conservative wing have protested the secretive process by which party leaders in their chamber are developing legislation to remake the health care system.
Representative Mike Ross, an Arkansas Democrat who is chairman of the coalition’s health task force, said: “We don’t need a select group of members of Congress or staff members writing this legislation. We don’t want a briefing on the bill after it’s written. We want to help write it.”
and the money quote
““Especially in the House,” Mr. Cooper D Tenn said, “there’s too much of this attitude that if it’s bipartisan, that just means you didn’t negotiate hard enough. I hear that a lot from folks. They are almost looking for ways to eliminate Republican support.””

I pray that the Obama Health Program never appears. To think he’s handing the House Democrats to write the Obama Health Program. I really don’t understand that all the physicians in the country are going to give up their offices and let the government tell them how much you can charge.
Does anyone believes that this will happen? It might, but I have a name for it —- Medicaid.

“Our goal is to have a healthier America,” said Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
Gads. If that sideshow freak is any example, I’ll pass on this so called “healthier America”.
As PJ O’Rourke said:
If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait’ll you see how much it costs when it’s “free”.

Wow, Barky sure ain’t wasting time, is he? Now he’s going for control of 1/8 of our economy with this health care grab, which goes along with:
Control of Banks and Finance
Control of Heavy Industry
Control of Mass Media (Tapper and a few others excepted)
Legislation for loyal youth groups (G.I.V.E.)
Funding for political policing (billions for Acorn in so called stimulus bill).
Top all that off with control of mining and energy via Cap and Trade towards the end of this year, and you’ve got a fine running start on facism in America.
All this, from a stuttering dummy whose only previous job experience was to negotiate asbestos removal from public housing.
Wonder if we’ll all get volksradios to hear the latest propaganda?

“Our legislation will be on the floor by the end of July, I am quite certain.”
Of course it will- and if recent history is any indicator, there will be a little less than 10 hours to review this 2 trillion dollar swindle.
Gosh, if we’re all lucky, this health care legislation will be as effective as the “immediate” stimulus has been!

The Bush administration put gov’t into bed with banks and autos. They spent social security trust fund money and borrowed huge amounts from China to pay for the Iraq War adding to the nat’l debt. The Clinton administration failed to reform healthcare when it would have cost fair less to do so. The Reagon administraion failed to keep up with the maintainence of the nations infrastructure. The Carter and Nixon administrations failed to get the country off foreign oil leading to 2 Iraqi Wars having to be faught over it.
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Bush put strings on Tarp and Automakers requiring certain adjustments or they would be allowed to through normal , court monitored reorganization.
Obama clipped those performance strings for the unions, added strings and threatened banks, funneled hundreds of billions overseas to rescue euro and other banks, and proceeded to pour almost 3 trillion borrowed dollars into these programs.
The GM and Chrysler co. have received almost 100 billion. The investors and retirement fund owners were forced to give up their ownership rights under threat of ruination by Obama. Banks were blackmailed into forgiving debt for these automakers. Obama forgave the debt of taxpayer dollars and then handed the companies, wrapped with a bow, over to his union supporters as payback for past campaign help and an investment in HIS future campaigns.
All supposedly to save the jobs, save the jobs, the network of jobs lost would be horrific and damage the economy.
GUESS WHAT!
The unions got their billions in taxpayer dollars through Obama, they now own the companies, so now they plan to leave the Michigan plants, close them up and send the jobs to mexico, and all the economic damage of those jobs going away, as we were told will now appear and be massive.
Autoworkers are protesting today, but I doubt we will see the networks carrying this part of the story.
But hey, the union leaders really made out and Obama will be set for campaign cash for a while.
Don’t you think with all the threats, blackmail, and intimidation imposed on the banks, Obama could have stipulated that the Unions keep the jobs in America before he gave them the companies?
Anyone who thinks this is about jobs and the economy is not paying attention.
THE JOBS WILL BE GONE ANYWAY. THE ONLY BENEFICIARIES OF THE STIMULUS/BAILOUT ARE UNION LEADERS AND OBAMA.
THOSE SCREWED BY BILLIONS INCLUDE RETIREMENT FUNDS, INVESTORS, AND THE TAXPAYERS.
WAKE UP

“Wow, Barky sure ain’t wasting time, is he? Now he’s going for control of 1/8 of our economy with this health care grab, which goes along with:”
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Health care costs are already 1/8 of our econony as is. If nothing is done it will grow to 1/5 of the economy in the near future. If he wanted to control it, he’d write the legislation himself instead of letting congress do it.
Control of Banks and Finance
Control of Heavy Industry
Control of Mass Media (Tapper and a few others excepted)
Legislation for loyal youth groups (G.I.V.E.)
Funding for political policing (billions for Acorn in so called stimulus bill).”
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Not true. Acorn has to compete for stimulus cash just like every other prvt. organization.
“Top all that off with control of mining and energy via Cap and Trade towards the end of this year, and you’ve got a fine running start on facism in America.”
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Come on now. All Cap and Trade does is make industry pay for the pollution you and I breathe. Some of that money would go to customers as rebates or tax cuts to offset the money those companies try to pass to their energy bills.
“All this, from a stuttering dummy whose only previous job experience was to negotiate asbestos removal from public housing.”
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I’ll take that previous job experience over that of a failed wannabe oil tycoon or washed up B movie actor any day.

Health care bill before the end of July per NP. This will be a massive bill and one that will probably not be read by every congressman again. I guess we will never get to see this bill before it is signed into law like others. All the bull sh t about getting a health care bill this year and not one mention of when it would go into effect. Not impressed and loosing confidence.

Interesting. I just got an e-mail from President Barack Obama. It states:
“Good afternoon,
You are receiving this email because you signed up at WhiteHouse.gov. My staff and I plan to use these messages as a way to directly communicate about important issues and opportunities, and today I have some encouraging updates about health care reform…”
It goes on to say that they are going to pass a comprehensive health care reform bill by July 31. Yadda yadda yadda.
The only problem. I didn’t sign up to receive this information from the White House. Did anyone else get this?

RATIONING? Everyone seems to mention this scare tactic. Fact is that there is nothing wrong with rationing! In fact the current system, or lack thereof, RATIONS healthcare. It simply rations healthcare based on how rich you are, where you live, and how many plantiff lawyers live in your area. In others words, by the price (distorted somewhat by government programs and insurance companies).
Ideally we should have a universal system that “rations” healthcare more rationally. No more $10 bandaides or bactine wipes to make up an illegal alien who never paid anything or a lawyer who sued a good nurse! No more HMOs or Insurance Companies denying care on a technicality for someone, or business, whose paid them for decades!

The problem is that the social programs which we the taxpayers pay for are not in line with the Constitution. The liberal judiciary has decided that the Constitution is a living document and they can interrupt it how they desire. Yes the Constitution is a living document but the founders put limitations into it to allow for changes as conditions changed over the years, it was called amend the constitution in accordance with Article five. The constitution is very specific as to what Congress has the power to spend money on in Article one Section eight. Anything outside of this is in violation of the Constitution unless the constitution is amended using the procedures of Article five. Although Congress is authorized to spend funds on the general welfare of the United States the word welfare in today’s context also means organized efforts on the part of public or private organizations to benefit the poor, or simply public assistance. This is not the meaning of the word as used in the Constitution as originally penned by our founding fathers. The Constitution was meant to be a document which could be amended but our founding fathers realized that it should not be too easy to amend so they inserted the requirements of Article five which requires the consent of two-thirds of the states to make a change. Congress needs to read the Constitution and follow the provisions of Article one and Article five instead of trying to make it look like the modern day communist manifesto.

The New Administration did not wait for the stars to be aligned before handing Pakistan a check for 5 billion dollars!

They want to take “In God We Trust” from our money. “Then” Bamy comes out with words like this? You liberal idiots deserve this Bozo-In-Chief. All I have to do is figure out how to pay for his drunken spending. Of course, you liberals will all be part of the “Ruling Class” in the New World Order and not have to actually “earn” anything.

“Mondo-Did you ask a question at the on-line Townhall Obama had a few months ago?”
Nope. The email said I signed up at whitehouse.gov and I most certainly did not.
Did anyone else get this email? I’m curious to see where the White House might be mining for email addresses. I clicked the unsubscribe button on the bottom of the message, but it was a bit unnerving to say the least.

Guys, fixing health care isn’t hard. People need to pay (high deductible and large co-pay) for their own medical procedures and drugs.
Of course, we all think we can get something for nothing and everyone in the health industry is angling for their piece of the pie (including Michelle Obama, the former hospital administrator).
When people actually have to pay for their medical procedures and drugs … they got to think twice or actually have to charge their credit card that their banks like to give them like candy.
Socialized medicine should only go to the very, very needy (under 5 and over 80).
Is there any American born primary care physician still working in private practice? They must of dissappeared with the dinosaurs courtesy of our money churning medical schools, money grubbing insurance companies and federal buecracy (I mean job creation) to the a better place known as cosmetic surgery or volume clinics whack a patient express service like HMOs.
The math is very easy (we had baby boomers who made lots of money so we could subsidized retirees to have the best and most expensive (with the customary medicare ripoffs) medical care in existence. Now that these baby boomers are starting to retire with a life expectancy of 30 after medicare kicks in, there will never be enough money to provide the same standard of care unless (we print more money, we borrow more money from the Chinese and Saudis, raise taxes so there are no more jobs in the US, or … let people pay a greater share of their own medical burden in forms of deductibles or co-pays.)
We live in the stomach staple (gastric bypass surger) society … why pay the price of 60 years of healthy living, diet and exercise, when a 4 hour procedure can staple your stomach and fix your obseity.

That was fantastic :)