Pelosi: CIA Lied to Me

When Bush was President and The Democrats took over they were Still Powerless PELOSI HAD NO LEGAL STANDING TO STOP IT!

Poor, poor Pelosi. Not only was she lied too, but so where 98 others senators at those meetings. And not only her, but Bush was lied too, too. Great defense, Nancy.

Maybe she didn’t have an appreciation of what she was being briefed about? From what I seen, she has sometimes shown tendencies to percieve things differently.

TWO WORDS LIAR,LOSER

Typical politician LIE, LIE, & More LIES. She a very VOCAL politician! We seen it in the past and we are really seeing her real side now! She didn’t say a word then because it didn’t affect her! Now she is caught in a lie and the best way to cover it up. Pass the lie onto someone else (BUSH Years)! This excuse is getting old!! Be a woman and admit to it and get on with your job!

She is a liar. She knew and now that it’s politically advantageous for her to pretend she didn’t know that’s what she’ll do. How many times will she change her story??

Congressional inquiries. CIA lied to her. She was victimized.
WAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Pelosi’s to do list: 1. Lie
2. Lie
3. Blame Bush
4. Lie
5. Blame CIA

BubblerDad:”I would agree that someone is lying. However, I would strongly suggest it is not the CIA and not the Bush Administration. Absolute Power Corupts Absolutely. ”
At the time she is accusing the CIA and Bush Administration of lying, the Bush Administration had basically Absolute Power – control of both houses of Congress, historically high public approval ratings and support, a Supreme Court clearly deferring to the Executive in a time of war, and a Congress clearly deferring to their every request.
Your ‘logic’ simply does not support your irrational partisan conclusion that the Bush Administration would never lie.

Throw her under the bus BO. This will help the Dems if he does. Nobody trusts her anymore.

It is clear that Pelosi is parsing words and statements. She is our representative on the committee and she is accountable not only for what she is briefed on, but for having a brain and the wherewithall to have said, if you are informing this committee about waterboarding and torture techniques, we must say unequivically that we do NOT SANCTION ANY FORM OF TORTURE. By not doing so, she acquiesed to it. This is as bad as saying go ahead.

when someone tells you everbody else is lying that is someone you cannot trust

Same liberal crap! To lie and blame Bush. Oh I forgot not to pay your taxes! LOL!!!

talk about torture Nancy is torture

whats the point here?
At the time we were doing it or anytime over the last 60 years did the United States consider WATERBOARDING to be legal?
If so, then drop the issue. If it was illegally used by the CIA then whomever authorized it should be prosecuted.
If Pelosi was the one who authorized it – by all means prosecute her.
More importantly, who will be the last to die for the lies made up to go to war in Iraq?

here’s a tip: politicians lie. it doesn’t matter which side they’re on. they’re all liars and none of them are on the side of the american people.

The more she talks the deeper the hole she is digging.
She knew about it, she saw teh documents, Nancy its time to come clean.

I just LOVE the right wing nut jobs here. Let’s see, Pelosi is wrong because she may have know torture was happening, but Bush & company are blameless because they were the ones DOING the torture.. RIGHT!

Nancy next excuse will be she wasnt listening at the meetings like she does everyday.

Pelosi is a disgrace!

Its Quite Possible they did Lie to The Speaker They Lied to us about WMDS And Saddam being Linked with Bin Laden and Saddam Linked to 911 they Lied to Us!

re: “CIA Lied to Me”
re: “inaccurate and incomplete information” …..”playing political games….”
This would come under the auspices of
(A)
“Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.”
(B)
“All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts..”
(C) “Done to death by slanderous tongue.”
(D) “Here’s ado to lock up honesty…”
So it seems the recommendations of the Department of Justice not to prosecute itself would come under the auspices of
(A) “Nothing can come of nothing”
(B) “doth protest too much, methinks.”
(C) “Something is rotten in the state of ________.”

Scott Malensek posted “She admitted today that she was briefed on enhanced interrogation techniques that were being used (just not waterboarding), and she did NOTHING.”
Gee Scott, she said she wasn’t told that waterboarding was being done, but you say she was. I didn’t know you were present during the briefing. Why where you present? Are you with the CIA? Did you take notes? Please tell us more, Mr. Know-it-all

I don’t care if they torture people or not, I don’t care who knew. What really pisses me off is Nancy acting like she is so moral and was so against this and she knew the whole time. Just put your finger in the air Nancy, then decide how to answer the question.

Tim,
And what punishment did Bush face once we didn’t find WMD’s in Iraq? Was he prosecuted for the lies made up to ensure we went to war?
No, he and Cheney and Corp USA are busy counting their billions of $ while our troops are still STUCK in Iraq.

She has been caught in a lie, now her only defense is “Bush, Bush, Bush”. The best thing to do is just drop the whole darn thing. If some dems come out of this with egg on their face, then they have no one else to blame but themselves. Obama should have “Just say no to torture” and have left it at that. Considering that between 60% & 70% of americans agree that at the time it was done they were okay with it, plus the fact that not all the cards regarding the “torture” were put on the table to the public, the whole thing should be dropped and chaulked up to experience. The more they dig into this, the stronger the case to torture at that time will become. None of these die hearts were living in NYC on 9/11, and at the time, none of them spent enough time in Wash to fully appreciate just how horrific those attacks were. It’s easy 8 years down the road to accuse and blame others for the things they did during those dark days after the attack and may God bless them that they are not faced with having to make the same decision again.

A BIG FAT LIAR JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN!
WE NEED TERM LIMITS TO STOP CAREER POLITICIANS!!!!!!!

Seems like no one is telling us the truth anymore…well except maybe Glenn Beck ;>) Say what you mean and mean what you say!

Even if you are a card carrying democrat let’s not pretend this woman is out to help us. Like most politicians she has her own best interest at heart and would gladly hang us out to dry if it gave her more power.

Hey, Pelosi, it’s too late to trust in whatever you have chattered because you’ve so many times lied to American and misleaded Congressmen of USA so far that you never displayed the leaderships to pass the Bills both parties, Democratic and GOP.
You said that “throughout my career, I have been proud to work for human rights and against torture……….”
What have you done for American warriors and innocents 2,850 victims including my uncle and friend’s mother on 9.11.2001 who MISERABLY died BY BRUTAL HIJACKERS, TERRORISTS AND INHUMANITY SUCIDE BOMBERS???? AS A THIRD HIGH LEVEL POSITION IN USA, YOU SHOULD BE BALANCED AGAINST TORTURE BETWEEN TO PROTECT AMERICAN AND TO BE HUMAN RIGHTS.

Same neocon crap, do the crime then find a way to blame someone else. Pelosi isn’t the one who did the torture, it was Bush and Company. Cry all you want anit-american
Posted by: SamTyler1973 | May 14, 2009 12:12:53 PM
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Also, that is the whole dems and libs campaign. Blame Bush Blame whoever! Grow the hell up!

I am a Obama voter and its sad seeing a headline with Pelosi accusing someone of lying. She is queen of the liars so she should know. She needs to be voted out of office but her Ca. voters just keep voting her back in. Dodd Pelosi and the rest of our lying representatives need to go away and Obama needs to clean his own parties house like he is trying to clean everyone else’s.

Well, this sure won’t make the story go away. I doubt that Pelosi was briefed alone. If her recollection differs from the other members who were in attendance, it will not look good for her. Nancy is going to have one heck of a primary battle to stay in Congress.

Well, someone is lying! Either the CIA decided, “let’s lie about waterboarding to Pelosi”, or it’s Pelosi.

ANTI-OBAMA
No you are Confused Palin said During the Campaign there were only real Parts of America if you voted Republican. Certain parts of VA Were anti-american And NOT REAL VA If you supported Obama. and Limbaugh said it was Unpatriotic and Unamerican if we didnt Support Bush!
Screw yourself -very republican of you I do belive thats what the Republicans have been telling the People of this Country SCREW YOU!

She is pathetic and a disgrace.

She was to busy worrying if she could get a goverment plan to get back home to investigate if the CIA was lying.

It’s sad that the libs cannot think for themselves. You disagree with them you are full of hate. No matter what you say you are wrong! You cannot express your view points. It’s like talking to a wall.

i’m not particularly fond of Pelosi, but i do agree that this is a huge diversionary tactic by the Repubs to cover up those who devised and implemented the torture program.
if Pelosi knew, yes, she should have grew a pair and stood up for her (Democratic) values. but we should be holding the pitchforks and torches at the people who actually devised these medieval tactics, all the way up to, i’m assuming, the Sith Lord Cheney himself.

===I was under the impression that Bush approved the torture.===
Bush approved EITs. I would imagine he still does. Even though Pelosi is trying to find the exit for the approval she gave. You do know she could have fought to have the funding stopped for these interrogations, don’t you? Maybe not. You are under the impression Pelosi has been outraged all the years over EITs.

She would have more of my respect if she would admit she knew about it. I am a democrat and I grow tired of the constant lies that our politicans keep spouting out. Admit it you knew and move on – Bush and Cheney implemented this not you- so say you knew it was being used and quit covering your A$$.

Angie in Pa: They are not limbough speaking points……unlike your news media, fox only reports facts. Facts are facts and that is why the FOX news is the #1 news program in America. Not just for Repubs but also Democrats….they have continued to see what is really happening and that is why BO is starting to slip and fail…..just look at Gitmo and you can see he has no clue.

This story reminds me kinda of that one story…. oh how did that go… “Weapons of Mass Destruction”… Ya… that is it…

My god, how does an idiot like this become Speaker of the House?! I mean, really.. HOW does that even happen? The US is a laughing stock with “leaders” like Pelosi and Reid. LOL!

Cheney speaks on Sunday. On Thursday,Pelosi squirms like an eel brought on deck and Obama does two 180 degree reversals. Whoa is Obama ” Hey Mr Soros, why did you tell me to release those darn memos?” Health care anyone? Me thinks Cheney is Obama and Pelosi’s latter day John Dean. Hurry Rahm, book me on with Leno, or Letterman, or even my “butt boys”over at MSNBC! Delicious isn’t it?

she is lie and hypocritical

I believe she has been waterboarded and is suffering from post tramatic shock syndrome. She needs to resign her committee and move to the universal health care committee

It was all a grand conspiracy to fool poor old Nancy. Does she really think we are that stupid or is this the best she can come up with? This is really funny.

Nancy Jo is lying to us. Time for her to say goodnite. The rest of the congressional liars can fall in right behind her.

Poor Angie, she is one of the few that still believes Pelosi.

What’s really scary is that she is 3rd in line to be the president if something happens to the prez or vice prez!! Let’s all pray for the health of the prez!

She just called our intelligence agency liars. How’s that gonna work out when that same intelligence agency tells someone that the next attack is about to happen? Heckofa job Pelosi!

That bus is going to need a new set of shocks.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

What’s really scary is that she is 3rd in line to be the president if something happens to the prez or vice prez!! Let’s all pray for the health of the prez!
Posted by: Kathy | May 14, 2009 12:43:36 PM
Good point, I do not know which would be worse, her or Biden. I do not care for Obama at all but I do hope he makes it until 2012, the alternative is just plain scary.

And she has the NERVE to READ A STATEMENT about her lying!! Give me a break!

A friend of mine was in San Francisco last month and attended a convention where Nancy Pelosi made an appearance. He said she didn’t tell any lies as far as he was concerned. I asked how long did she speak? He said, “Oh, she didn’t make a speech, she was just there”. That explains why Nancy doesn’t lie. She never opened her mouth.

I think her Botox injection went a little too deep and it numbs her brain…..

Pelosi is lying-she knew and now she is changing her story for political reasons. I don’t care what they do to the terrorist. They are not covered by the Geneva Convention and they do not follow the Conventions rules. Was 9/11 a form of torture, what about Daniel Pearl, or other beheadings, what about hiding amongst civilians, what about the way they treat women and girls. The terrorist are cowards otherwise they would not hide their faces and would fight like men.These people do not play by civilized rules and have no respect for those that do. I am against closing GITMO-they are treated better than they treat their own people. If the President insists in closing GITMO, then I suggest we shoot to kill-no prisoners allowed then we will not have to worry about what is or is not torture.

Right wing conspiracy against Pelosi. Yeah, Right! Everybody is a liar but her! How convenient.

The Neocons are running scared and will try anything to deflect their crimes. This is worst than Watergate because they setup a world wide secret torture,spying and kidnapping program. They lied to Congress, the courts, and to the American people. They tried to save the country by throwing away the Constitution. They were going to rule the country for the next 50 years with a victory in Iraq but it all blew up. Now they’re running around the country trying to tell us torture is not torture and crimes are not crimes.

Axey:”Maybe you could explain to us why she is lying if she has the truth on her side? How many versions of the truth are there? And when will you notice she is on about version # 5 now?”
She’s been spinning like any other politician. I haven’t really been following it closely, but so far she has not been caught out in blatant, blue-dress lie. And I probably won’t start following it closely now. I don’t have a vote for her and this does not impact any policy decisions I care about.
Anyhow, knowing that your neighbor beats his wife does NOT make you anywhere near as guilty. Republicans can spin and play pass the buck as much as they want, but they OWN the Iraq war and the torture of that era by every objective, verifiable measure and are just insulting the voters by trying to vilify Pelosi as a distraction.

well guess this excuse is better than the devil (Cheney) tricked me.

It’s pretty obvious who is lying and it’s not the CIA. Does Nancy sleep with her eyes open because of all of the plastic surgery?

Your ‘logic’ simply does not support your irrational partisan conclusion that the Bush Administration would never lie.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 14, 2009 11:58:28 AM
Wait a minute, so you think Pelosi is incapable of lying?
Make your point, but do not rip into another person with this kind of degrading BS.
If you think only republicans are capable of lying and not democrats, then you are very very wrong.

This is fun, watching the Libs make excuses. I wonder if Nancy is waiting for that bus to come. One word from BO and she’s gone, but who will replace her? It will have to be a woman because otherwise her is a sexist.

Cardinal posted “I thought the real reason we went into Iraq was to steal their oil. Now I’m really confused.”
It is confusing. First Bush said we had to go into Iraq right now because of WMD. Then he changed his story. It became “we must take out Saddam because he is so evil”. Then he changed the story again and said we went in to spread democracy. Later he indicated that he hoped by going into Iraq and making it a democracy that other countries would become democracies too.
See, it is confusing when your own President lies and lies and lies.
Oh and BTW, do you really think we would give a darn about Iraq if it didn’t have lots of oil?

Dave124 also posted “Liberal socialists have much more in common with fascism then any conservative. Liberal socialists want the gov’t to care for them from cradle to grave, convservatives want the gov’t out of their lives as much as possible.”
So now Nazi Germany was a liberal government? Bwhahahahahaha, that’s funny!
As for conservatives wanting the government out of their lives as much as possible…..what they really want is the government in other people’s lives except their own. Aren’t the conservatives the party of NO-choice for women? Aren’t the conservatives the party of “we want Jesus” in public schools? Aren’t the conservatives the ones who are keeping pot illegal, telling us what we can or can’t do with our own bodies?
You were saying?

here come da bus, here come da bus. Nancy don’t stand at the bus stop with BO behind you.

Sam Tyler
Yeah, yeah, and liberals have a heart attack when someone lights up a cigarette in a public place, which is why smoking has been banned every place but my car.
As for abortion, if it’s early on I don’t have a problem with it. When the baby is flinching from the pain of the abortion procedure at 4 months+ in the womb, i have a problem with it.
As for big vs. little gov’t, there really isn’t an argument here buddy.
Conservatives are the ones who don’t want gov’t run healthcare, gov’t run auto industries, gov’t run daycares, gov’t controlled businesses, gov’t run schools without ANY choice for the parents (vouchers).
It’s ALWAYS the liberals/democrats who are constantly promising the ignorant masses that gov’t is going to come in and save them, although history has ALWAYS shown that gov’t fails everytime it attempts to guarantee happiness.
Thomas jefferson said “We are guaranteed the PURSUIT of happniess”. If you want the guaranteed happiness move to china or cuba, i hear that it’s working great for them there!

So the American people were aware she was being lied to but she couldn’t figure it out?
Waaay to go! Chuck!

How did this dysfunctional naive liberal become house speaker anyways? She NEVER has anything positive to say or correct for that matter. She needs to go……..

Dave124 posted “Yeah, yeah, and liberals have a heart attack when someone lights up a cigarette in a public place, which is why smoking has been banned every place but my car.”
As it should be. You have every right to smoke if you want to. It is your believe that I also have to smoke when you do (by breathing your second hand smoke) is what upsets me. I guess that’s one of the differences between conservatives and liberals. Liberals worry about everybody’s rights, conservative only worry about their rights.
As for abortion, we agree 100% on that one.
As for conservatives being against big government…I think the problem here is that the current Republican party are no longer conservatives. We just went through 8 years of Bush. Why didn’t he get rid of the department of eduction and all the other departments that really don’t do much good. Why did he create the department of homeland security, one of the biggest departments in government? Answer, Republicans call themselves conservative but are not.
Like if or not our government will have parts of it that people would call socialism. It is need from time to time. You really don’t want things like private fire departments or private police departments. Just how far we the people should take this is the real debate. On on hand, it government run health care worries me only because our government screws up everything it touches. On the other hand, our health care system is terribly broken, but nothing ever gets done about it. So what should government do about?
As for abortion, if it’s early on I don’t have a problem with it. When the baby is flinching from the pain of the abortion procedure at 4 months+ in the womb, i have a problem with it.
As for big vs. little gov’t, there really isn’t an argument here buddy.
Conservatives are the ones who don’t want gov’t run healthcare, gov’t run auto industries, gov’t run daycares, gov’t controlled businesses, gov’t run schools without ANY choice for the parents (vouchers).
It’s ALWAYS the liberals/democrats who are constantly promising the ignorant masses that gov’t is going to come in and save them, although history has ALWAYS shown that gov’t fails everytime it attempts to guarantee happiness.
Thomas jefferson said “We are guaranteed the PURSUIT of happniess”. If you want the guaranteed happiness move to china or cuba, i hear that it’s working great for them there!

How long do we have to hear “it’s Bush’s fault” from a known liar? The state of Kalifornia should be ashamed of the monster they elected.

While Pelosi digs her self deeper and deeper into a pit of lies, why has ABC, NBC and CBS failed to even mention any thing regarding what she knew and when she knew it during any of their nightly broadcasts? She knew and the CIA has released a whole list of Dems who also were informed of the water boarding and other EITs. And radio silence by the MSM.

Nancy Pelosi is truly lost. She has allowed her hatred for the Bush Administration to not only put herself in jeopardy, but the Democratics as well. You know it is very easy to be elected and to serve year after year when yoy are in the minority, but when you thrust into the leadership role and you have to lead people get to see you for who you really are. In this instance, i would hope the good people of California see what an incompetent fool Nacny Pelosi really is.

Liberals can’t remember the lies they told yesterday let alone be accountable to them.
Pelosi is a useful idiot and will be used by Obama until he has no use for her anymore.
She should resign and frog marched out of the Halls of Congress. She can keep the gavel.

Let us not forget who brought this issue to us today: not Speaker Pelosi, not President Obama. This terrible point in our nation’s history was brought to us by the Bush administration who kept its torture regimen a state secret. The previous administration engaged in an illicit war under false pretenses. It created a euphemistic language to downplay its actions which constituted torture. The torture has now put our soldiers at great risk. The photographs will not be made public for the safety of our soldiers who had no idea that their government was sinking to such depths that it could not even show photographs or videos of what it was doing for fear of inciting the enemy and embarrassing a nation. It’s convenient to blame Pelosi for the torture that Cheney and Gonzalez (and the CIA) conceived and executed during their eight years in the White House.

Clif, there should just be public hearings and a truth commission (if that is a possibility in post-9/11 America). People can testify under oath and not play conservative or liberal games in the media. Perhaps we need to close shop in Afghanistan and take a long hard look at ourselves and wonder why we as a nation let these activities take place thus jeapordizing our nation’s armed forces. We can blame everybody but ourselves. It was Bush, no it was Pelosi. It was us: it happened under our watch and instead of doing the right thing we play party politics and pretend we are idiots and believe what the media tells us while we watch our favorite shows on tv.

I think Nancy will discover that it’s best not to get into a scrap with the Good Old Boys of the CIA. And calling them liars, at that! They will get even.

When has the CIA ever been concerned about the truth?

It is ironic that a President who came to office promising a pragmatic approach to governing now finds himself becoming overtaken by an argument about people taking a pragmatic approach to gaining information about or from our enemies. Pragmatism: a philosophical movement or system having various forms, but generally stressing practical consequences as constituting the essential criterion in determining meaning, truth, or value.

SamTyler1973
It is very easy for me to tell you what you think because based on your remarks it is that of a liberal with very little intelligent thought.
Sorry I just call you for what you happen to be.
My point about smoking is not why you are any one else does not like it in your face.
It was about the fact people like you worry about it causing cancer when there has never been any hard evidence to support that claim.
I happen to not smoke but I have never been around smokers that light up just so they can blow smoke in my face. maybe you been hanging in the wrong places.
No where in my post do I say only liberals don’t like smoke. Better, go back and read it again.
Did you complain about Homeland Security? Are did you just say
“Why did he create the department of homeland security, one of the biggest departments in government”
I’m sorry but that does not sound like a complaint. It looked more like a question to me.
No place did I say you were for 100% health care. It looks to me like you misunderstood what I wrote.
Maybe you and Pelosi have the same problem with comprehension.
You wrote that our health care is broken and I then asked you what is broken about it?
Again your comprehension is very bad. I never called any liberal a Monster. I did say this
“After 9/11, there was the call from just about every one that we needed something in place that could bridge every part of government so information could flaw without any restrictions as was put in place by the Clinton administration. Therefore, we got this huge monster called Homeland security”
As you can see I called Homeland security a MONSTER not Liberals.
You are so wrong on so many counts its hard for me to reply to each and every one of them.

Let’s place our bets. I have five bucks that Pelosi is out as Speaker by September 1…

Paul “Sorry I just call you for what you happen to be.”
So why did I vote a split ticket in November? Why did I actively support Ron Paul? Right
Paul also said “It was about the fact people like you worry about it causing cancer ” People like me? I don’t like stinking of smoke. Also, it does make me sick. That’s good enough for me.
About calling liberals monsters….I meant that figuratively. They are no such things as liberals and conservatives. I a person, not a thing. You have already said I think this way or that and I DON’T. You just make things up and assign them to me.
As for MY comprehension being bad… I said “imaginary little monster named “liberal”. “. YOU turned this around and said that I said that you called liberals monsters. Do you understand the word IMAGINARY? I guess not.

This is a total distraction to what the real issue is. Torture sanctioned by Alberto Gonzalez, created as policy by the Bush administration. To attempt to blame Pelosi in this is absurd. She may have been briefed, but that’s EXCACTLY what it was a BRIEF description of what was already going on, in the best light possible. Democrats were powerless to do anything about anything. Lets quit playing games and fix things. Not create smoke screens. It was BUSH, RUMSFELD and GONZALES, and the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress who acted like sheep giving Bush whatever he wanted.

Oh, and one more thing Paul. You said that there isn’t any hard evidence that second hand smoke causes cancer. How do you explain this from the National Cancer Institute? —–> ”
Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?
Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) have classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent)
Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults. Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke The Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent.
Some research suggests that secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer, nasal sinus cavity cancer, and nasopharyngeal cancer in adults, and leukemia, lymphoma, and brain tumors in children. Additional research is needed to learn whether a link exists between secondhand smoke exposure and these cancers. ”
I guess you know more about it than they do, that wonder “comprehension” of yours.

Liberals will NOT BE HAPPY until America is destroyed and replaced by a socialist-marxist dictatorship headed by the likes of Pelosi and Obama.
Sleep tight everybody!!!
Bill Ayers
Reverend Wright
“chickens coming home to roost?”

Luigi
I again say there is no hard evidence out there that proves smoking causes cancer. You bringing up the National Cancer Institute makes me ask who funds them?
Each agency you point out has its own agenda about smoking. If you were to take away their grants that, they receive from the Government, would they come to these same conclusions?
I again will say all their research is based uniquely on hypotheses that are not scientifically demonstrated.
See you make one point that I find very true in every one that speaks about cancer and that is they need more funding in order to do more research. Its about a cash cow not about real research.
Yes, I happen to know more about it because I try to use my brain and you are better off to put your gay matter to better use then uttering propaganda for the government!

paul posted “Yes, I happen to know more about it because I try to use my brain and you are better off to put your gay matter to better use then uttering propaganda for the government! ”
The only people I can see saying that it doesn’t cause cancer is the tobacco industry. So, you like to use your “gay” matter to support them, go ahead.
p.s. Your “comprehension” slipped again. You posted your reply to the wrong person.

Sorry I see that my last post about smoking was in reply to SamTyler1973.
I
see I wrote in the wrong person name at the top of the post again sorry if this confused any one!
SamTyler1973
I again call you as I see you. If you don’t like it, don’t read what I said.
So now, I must get into your mind to know you meant that figuratively. Maybe you might try to say what you mean and not hope I just guess what you meant!
I hate to tell you but yes, there are indeed people that identify themselves as liberals or conservatives.
I don’t just make it up it happens to be the truth. But maybe in your imaginary world there are no such persons right! Lol

How many times are they going to use this excuse? I didn’t know – they lied to me…. GIVE ME A BREAK – They used it when we went to war in Iraq, they used it again with the “Patriot Act” and now again with torturing…. Let’s stop blaming other people and accept the fact that we’re just too lazy to read a document before we sign it. More accurately – we’re too busy taking pay-off’s from lobbyists to do our job….

Paul,
Gay matter was a lot funnier :-)

paul | May 14, 2009 5:29:27 PM—”Since independent research is what is needed it can never get the funding.” there has been massive independent research into the health effects of cigarette smoking. do you honestly think smoking is safe? still the fact remains that you have the freedom to buy cigarettes and smoke them and rely on tax-payers to pay for your cancer treatment and treatment for all of the associated medical disorders smoking causes.

SamTyler1973—”gay matter” is funnier and lightens up the debate. my gay matter certainly tells me cigarette smoking can (not will, Paul) cause cancer and many other medical problems. some people can never be convinced.

This is very odd just because I don’t buy into what others believe about smoking they in turn think I must be a smoker. Ok silly people I do not smoke never have.
I say these things based on what I have researched on my own. I have yet to find any real facts that prove smoking does cause cancer. It is always based on a study and not a very good one at that.
In addition, I will point out I do not believe people should smoke. Nevertheless, feel they have the right to do so without others demonizing them for doing it.

From what i understand from reading hte news over the last several years:
It’s an article of faith among Democrats that Bush is a moron.
It’s also an article of faith among them that the poor Democrats were just misled by the ebil Bushco.
Therefore, Democrats, especially including Pelosi, are so stupid as to be easily taken in by a moron.

WOW. Pelosi is garbage. What a lying piece of crap she is.

Paul, it was wrong of me to assume you are a smoker simply because you advocate smokers rights and i apologize for that. i think people should have the right to smoke or overeat or engage in any activity that is dangerous to them and not others. i just hope these people can make an informed decision about the risks of such behavior.

Paul Wall
I have never said at any time in any post I have made that suggest to people that smoking is even remotely safe. I have not been at any time posting what you could call cruelly disingenuous.
I have said what I believe based on the facts I have looked into over the years. You take it for what its worth. I also could say it is very disingenuous for any one to put out studies based on flawed data. That is what a lot of these cancer researchers have done over the years.
Any way I have had my say and you have a great day

School yard bullies graduate into the big time when they gain a position of power in the workplace. A sadistic boss can make the lives of his employees miserable by constantly threatening to fire them. But unfortunately some bullies get absolute power when given the job of torturing prisoners of war. Their first job is to make sure their victims are well fed and kept healthy. This gives them the opportunity to interrogate them endlessly. Confessions of guilt do not end the torture. The sadist stays with his victim until there is no resistance. A broken prisoner is of no use to the grown up school yard bully

melpol— great post. people who torture are just adult bullies who act with impunity. that any of these individuals and their superiors could be brought to justice would not only be a great day for our nation and its founding principles but to the world as well.

man, the bar has really been raised since we went back to the Dems running things.
ha!

PELOSI KNEW!!!!where is the new york times? wheres ted kennedy? what about the rule of law i have been reading about so much lately.angie in pa and jhw539….your objectivity is gone and your bias is obvious on this one, i understand, but do you really want this person one heart beat away from being vice president. i dont any objective person would say yes.time for her to chase peacocks in marin county.

i am ashamed of how america has plunged itself into the sewer. sewer accusations, men thinking by emotion and not rational. the only effective thing that bush and cheney and co. have accomplished is to have broken the country into two parts. it is no longer one nation under….! america’s love and respect has been demolished by gangs whom spew brutal verbage towards their fellow citizens without any constructive developements in sight. YOUR NATION IS CRUMBLING and most are just doing what they can to help the process and to give momentum to pushing into a brink along with all of the other fallen empires. any peoples of any nation will not/can not ever sustain its wealth, strength or virtue as this nation exists today. as of yet little blame can be placed on Obama… thats coward, scapegoating and the easy route. THE BLAME FOR THE CONDITION OF THIS NATION REST SOLEY ON THE SHOULDERS OF US, WE THE PEOPLE! any argument against that fact is to deny that america is a democratic nation at
all!!!!
You just have to look at Pelosi herself to see who split the country apart with her lies. Lies, unfortunately, about half the people bought when they voted for Obama. Pelosi admitted in her news conferences that “her job” was to get libs in the congress and a lib president elected. I guess all those years in American history must have failed me because I believed politicians were elected to represent the people. Just a clue that when Pelosi rants that she has been lied to, remember the source and realize this is like the boy crying “Wolf”. It has been her strategy all along to defame the last administration and has been very successful……until now! Hopefully the American people will consider the source next time she tries to defame someone with her brand of lies.

The scary part is knowing that Pelosi will be re-elected for another term because her contiguants are so liberal in their way of thinking that she’ll get a pass as long as she maintains all the blame on Bush and the CIA (even if there is hard evidence she knew of the interrogations–San Fransico will somehow find a way to ignore the facts). Unless she becomes totally radio-active, then there’s a possiblity that she won’t get re-elected. But I doubt that very much!!

What a piece of work this woman is.
Is she really that stupid???

If President Obama believes Nancy Pelosi that the CIA is full of torturers who deceived and lied to our nations leaders in Congress inlcuding the Speaker of the House, then doesn’t President Obama have to launch an investigation and put the torturers and liars to our leaders on trial for their crimes? If anyone believes Nancy Pelosi?

There is a lot of casual throwing around of words. Waterboarding, while sounding quite cruel the way the media describes it, is a process in which a suspect is exposed to quantities of water in such a way that their brain perceives they are drowning. This fear creates a deminished resistance and they often surrender credible information to stop the process. In the end they routinely have little to no injuries. Conversely the technique that our enemies utilze is beheadings, dismemberment, repeated sexual violation, and of course explosions that kill many. I don’t hear these acts referred to as torture by the MSM or these bloggers. Put it into perspective. Saying pretty please doesn’t get the needed result. Whyb is protecting the “rights” of the bad guy more important that preserving the lives of our innocent families and citizens. The saying is war is hell: not war is a polite civil discourse. Get a grip and realize this is a war.
Pelosi’s problem isn’t whether she knew or not, it’s that she attended a breifing in which the other attendees all heard a report of enhanced interrogation techniques including waterboarding, and she didn’t hear the same report. It’s not that she is dishonest, it’s that she in incompetent.
And for all the WMD whiners, 500 tons of natural uranium and thousands of biological and chemical weapons were discovered in Iraq and were destroyed or confiscated. The media only reports what it finds newsworthy, and making the Bush administration seem potentially correct was not news worthy.
Educate yourselves, do your own research than form your opinion, or keep your head in the main stream news cess pool.

I am outraged! There are more than likely many idea’s on what waterboarding does or doesn’t do. I really didn’t pay much attention to this until I found out that a friend of mine that served in the military went through it. If you don’t think it does much or little physically, well, you might want to rethink it. Physc wise it’s not good. It’s trauma that no one should go through. Some may not want to reconize it because of stigma or whatever, especially in the “military” but the fact of the matter is it happens, people suffer and it just cycles on itself!

One way to find out if she was told , Lets waterboard her and see if she remembers. I don’t care if they did or didnot use this method of getting information, look what they done on 911.
Also the video of they way the cut the heads off of people . Give me a break stop your crying for these bunch of thugs & killers, they have had their time now its time for all of them to die & pay for what they have done .
Randy Topgun

Congress has twice had the chance to ban or criminalize water boarding, but it declined to do so in both the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

It seems to me that if you are going to stand up in public in front of cameras broadcasting nationwide, point a finger and scream “They are LIARS”. The CIA is NOT the group you want to be pointing at. Not to say that they are dangerous, black op types, but I bet they could be if they really tried.

Thank goodness we have no problems for Nancy to work on so she can continue this verbal sparring match. Our Congress really knows how to prioritize and focus — like getting to the heart of the Roger Clemens steroid question while the sub prime mortgage mess simmered. Forget Social Security, we need to discuss the merits of a college football playoff system vs. the current bowl system. Nice work boys and girls.

wow, a democrat is a pathetic liar. yeah, and water is wet. you morons elected them, deal with it.

Clearly, Pelosi should not have been a part of any agency that had to do with intelligence! She has none… and she lies!

If she had any integrity (which is a ridiculous thought), she would not only admit she was briefed, but she would endorse flat out torture of terrorists. Why can’t the leftards simply see that you can’t negotiate with terrorists, or be nice to people who want you dead? I’d be happy to personally administer the EITs to any of those scumbags as a public service. What does Nancy want to do, invite them over for wine and cheese and ask where Osama is?? Grow up, people!!!!

Hahaha! Liar, liar, pants on fire. It’s pretty satisfying seeing that evil woman on the hot seat for once. Egomaniac, pathological liar, egocentrist, morally devoid, on a power trip high…this is a scary, SCARY administration. I think she and Rahm have something going on the side, as well. Very surreal and strange, indeed.
Sweat Nancy…start sweating cause all lies will be exposed sooner or later.

She is just like obama, no more earmarks, then signed a bill with the highest earmarks ever in the history of the usa. I say bring in the agents that talked to her and lets have a town meeting on national tv. Should solve the problem.
gata

Speaking of lies, why is it that ABC is not telling the entire story on Pelosi. The fact is that in this briefing she stated that she was too busy trying to get control of Congress and the Presidency back to the Democrats to be concerned about what was going on in Iraq!

It just shows again that the Democratic leadership considers the Republicans (and the Bush Administration) to be more of a threat than Al Qaeda and would rather see Bush in prison more that Osama bin Laden.

Oh my my my. Waterboarding is torture. Oh my my my. SO WHAT? I only hope that the next time some liberal haven like New York City gets hit, we can later find out that Pelosi and the rest of the STUPID democrats could have prevented it if the CIA would have been allowed to do it’s job which is KEEP US SAFE. Oh I can hear Pelosi now “Oh my, the CIA misled me about the threat. If only I had known the extent of the threat I would have support enhanced interogation techniques.” We get the government we deserve because as a people we too are very STUPID. Support term limits.

The only way you are going to get the truth out of this pathological liar is to employ some “Enhanced Interogation Techniques”. I say waterboard her!

Thanks to the new policies of the Obama Administration and the complete control of the congress by far left democrats, perhaps the Jihadists will now feel enpowered to exclusively focus on Washington DC. Let’s see what Queen Nancy and the rest of the “waterboarding is torture” crowd does then. Heck, it’s a win-win situation for us unwashed-masses types. Either the nut cases in DC wake up and protect this country or they get wiped out and we can start over. Remember, every cloud has a silver lining.

Good lord, the emotional intelligence of many of the anti-Pelosi / pro-G.O.P posters in this thread is downright nauseating.

Tenet is a liar.
In his book, At the Center of the Storm, released April 2007, Tenet writes in the memoir, “Let me say it again. CIA found absolutely no linkage between Saddam and 9/11.”
Yet, in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet said “[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade.”
On June 03, 2004 Nancy Pelosi, a 10-year veteran of the Intelligence Committee, released the following statement today on the resignation of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director George Tenet:
“George Tenet is a valued public servant who has made many significant contributions to the work of the intelligence community, but apparently he believes it is time for a change in leadership.
“There certainly were intelligence failures in the Iraq operation, particularly in the months preceding the invasion. There have been many other failures as well; I do not believe his resignation should be the only response to those failures.”

I think it’s hilarious that Democrats in an attempt to further throw Republicans under the bus end up having the torture debate backfire. Post 9/11 the populist outrage was so great I’m sure old Nance signed off on by any means necessary. And there’s the problem. These “career politicians” don’t take any responsibility when rash decisions led by populist opinion come back to haunt them. No need for a truth commission Nancy your continual stuttering was all the “truth” I needed.

Nancy Pelosi’s day of reckoning is coming…