Pelosi on Firing Line: Democrats Voice Support; GOP Leaders Demand Retraction

I couldn’t help but notice the discrepancy of a preceeding report that stated the Pelosi controversy was causing dissension among Democrats. It’s a transparent divide and conquer ploy of the GOP and an equally obvious systematic attack on a Democratic House speaker, both aided and abetted by some in the media. But then there’s a fresh air element to all of this that’s helping to increase the momentum towards a full scale torture investigation. So keep the shameless spinning going. It’s creating an inevitable call for getting to the bottom of something that stinks from the head down and to the very core.

angie in pa…the only peole being exposed are those who accused the cia of lying. its only going to get deeper for pelosi. keep her in office please.

PELOSI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORDERING TORTURE !!! PROSECUTE AND IMPRISON CHENEY, BUSH, RUMSFELD, GONZALEZ, BYBEE, YOO AND BRADBURY. THEY ARE THE CULPRITS IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHO SANCTIFIED TORTURE and they knew it to be illegal and a violation of our treaties.

Aren’t there classified records on the content of CIA briefings kept and to whom? That might clear up a lot of the “they lied to me” controversy.

I couldn’t give two dog biscuits about who knew what or when!! Just prosecute WHOMEVER authorized and performed the torture…and be done with it. Why are people so worried about who lied to whom? Politicians have never been the most direct or honest people.

CATMAN
Keep telling yourself that Chum well Lets put it like this If Pelosi Knew she will go Down but Dont think for One Minute Bush/Cheney and Republicans arent going with her!After all Bush/Cheney authorized The Torture and The PRESIDENT Bush signed Off!

It seems that the real issues are not what is being discussed and those who are missing the point are in the majority. Yes She knew of the waterboarding but so did everyone else including the American citizens. We all knew, but consider that we had just been struck a death blow by these terrorist and America wanted revenge & safety.I praise her for wanting America to be safe. She should just admit that and get the glory that comes from doing a tough job. Now with the sherking & denials we could only assume one of two things. One, she is a lier and has no credibility, or two she is completely inept and didnt then or now know what the hell is going on.

pelosis silence condones the prior admin actions. obviously she wasnt appaled as she didnt do anything about it.
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I’m sure you have deep and sincere convictions about torture to be so concerned over Nancy Pelosi’s staying mum. But excuse me, she was being given classified security information at the time. Since when have current CIA briefings been public domain?

angie in pa…we agree on something….i have no problem with taking bush and cheeny down. if they did something wrong fine. a majority of americans say they would use torture to prevent an attack so i see an uphill battle. but thats fine.the only thing i would demmand is that the dems who sat silent, did nothing, then lied also be prosecuted. what has been happening is evry hole one has dug into…gitmo, etc has shown that bush did the best he or obama could do. iu only want whats best for the country and didnt vote bush.

Pelosi is busted…when her lips move; lies come out !!!

How can the liberals defend this women? She knew what was going on and said nothing. Now 7 years later when the far left is in charge, she wants an investigation to make Bush look bad. She can’t have it both ways.

Ignore the Republicans. They are irrelevant and don’t deserve a response.
Until Republicans can put the business of the American people ahead of their own petty, partisan, parochial, and provincial interests, they should shut up, sit down and let real Americans clear up their criminal mess.
Republicans have done more damage to the U.S. than the Islamic Terrorists could ever have done. “Heck of a Job, Republicans.” Republicans are enemies of the U.S. and are the best allies the terrorists ever had.
Once the “Republican Problem” is solved, maybe we can solve the other “Terrorist Problem.”

The fact that democrats are ranting and raving about how a terrist – who killed 3000 people might have been mistreated – instead of ranting and raving about the 100,000 people who were killed in a dirty bomb attack on los angeles proves that it was the right thing to do. If you want to live in an ultra liberal country – moved to california – or arizona where hundreds of people are tortured every year in the drug and human trafficking by illegals. Where is the dems outrage on that?

Why is most of the bluster coming from the republicans from people that had no connection to the briefing or knowledge of what went on? This is just another attempt by the GOP to spin away from the real subject, you know, the people that ACTUALLY came up with using torture and the administration that AUTHORIZED using torture.

Speaker Pelosi is at this point the gravest threat to Obama’s domestic agenda. I hope Mr. Emmanuel moves quickly to further undermine her. She has been around for a long time. It should not be difficult to dig up old skeletons from the political backyard of this haggish viper.

This fight is between Pelosi and the CIA. Why are you liberals blaming this on the Republicans? Oh that’s right, everything is to be blamed on the Republicans. (never mind the fact that there are only a few of them still around).

Pelosi tortures me everytime I hear her voice or show her face…

Nancy Pelosi is nervous about her job. That’s why she “doesn’t remember being briefed on waterboarding” and “the CIA lied” to her. If she admitted that she knew about the waterboarding and she voted to use those extreme measures to get information from those prisoners, then she would be no better than the former administration she so berates. Her political career could be in trouble. With that said, WHAT PART OF 9-11 DO YOU PEOPLE NOT REMEMBER? Is it the two planes smashing into the twin towers, the one plowing into the Pentagon, or the fireball in the countryside near Shanksville, Pennsylvania? Or maybe you don’t remember those poor souls jumping from WTC windows dozens of stories high? Or the people on the roofs of the WTCs and in the stairways as they collapsed? How about those people who died in the daycare centers, and the firefighters, and the police, remember them? Do you think those people weren’t tortured? 2,998 people DIED THAT DAY! Over 6,291 were INJURED! And what part of the USS COLE attack in 2000 do you not remember? Is it the 17 US sailors who LOST THEIR LIVES THAT DAY? How about the first WTC BOMBING in 1993, don’t you REMEMBER that? 6 people DIED and 1,042 WERE INJURED that day! And what about EUGENE ARMSTRONG, the American beheaded on video in IRAQ, DO YOU NOT REMEMBER HIM? Based on all of this, I do not care if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or any of the other terrorist cockroaches at Gitmo are water-boarded? They are still alive…unlike the thousands of innocent people mentioned above. Personally, I have no problem sending them on to their virgins!

angie in pa…what could the dems done? perhaps vote no would have been a good start, they also won congress in 2006 and did nothing. THEY had the power ti investigate and did nothing in 2006. they promised to cut war funding to get their votes..they did nothing. by the way how long are gonna be in IRAQ? a true patriot would have spoken up but it appears to an independent voters eye she chose her politcal career over to the right thing if thats what she believed. perhaps you understand once caught in a lie you can no longer be trusted.

I find it quite fascinating that Republicans – most of whom actually BELIEVED in Saddam’s “WMDs”, “yellowcake” and nuclear/biological capabilities – still insist that the CIA could tell no lies or ever obscure the truth before a member of Congress.
I’m afraid most Republicans seem to fit into the general category of True Believers: people for whom the Truth Once Revealed (by Bush, Rove, Cheney, Limbaugh, the CIA, Boehner or whomever) is immutable and beyond the very reach of human scrutiny. For so many of them, what “is” simply “is” and cannot be questioned or tested at all. To the mind of these Republicans, Pelosi is – ipso facto – a liar and therefore not capable of truthfulness. That she is a liar is additionally “proved” because she is known to have lied – “known” because Republicans know that as a hated “Liberal” every statement she makes must be a “lie”: she speaks, therefore she is a liar. It has nothing whatever to do with evidence, the testimony of witnesses or the character of her accusers: it is simply Doctrine, firmly inscribed in the Republican Catechism of Political Truth and Conservative Faith.
And because it is a matter of True Faith, anything a Republican does in defense of that Faith is – in his own eyes and in the eyes of others like him – appropriate and right. Republicans will continually repeat known lies and untruths in support to their accusations: that is “okay” because the accusation is known to be “true” and therefore any effort to support it is also “true” even if falsified. Republicans will misrepresent themselves as “independents” or even as “Liberals” in order to offer their accusations in a “context” that seems less partisan: this is rationalized as “necessary” to “getting the truth out there”.
Republicans will insist that a matter is “true” despite all evidence to the contrary, or “false” despite compelling evidence that it is so. Whether the subject be Global Warming, pollution in general, Obama’s place of birth, a doctored photo of a hated “Liberal”, the legislative origins of the Internet or of the EPA Superfund, the legitimacy of a thrice-counted election vote… or whatever else has been promulgated as a “reason” that Republicans are right and “Liberals” are dishonest, unpatriotic, or have attained power unfairly… Republicans just seem to defend their True Beliefs despite any and all evidence presented to them. Evidence that does not suit their world view and support the True Doctrine of Conservatism is simply deemed “unreliable” or even “forged”.
The plain fact is, the GOP has been demonstrating for 30 or 40 years or more that it is the party of people who simply DON’T CARE what the evidence is: they choose to believe the most convenient LIES they can find to suit their view that they have superior revelation or that they are Truer Americans than others.
They sure are tiring. And they sure are irrelevant.

All terrorista agree with Pelosi that CIA lies through its teeth.

bob72…i agree if its not torture or illegal who cares. most americans dont think its illegal. WHEN THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE GETS CAUGHT IN A LIE OVER NATIONAL SECURITY ITS TIME TO STEP DOWN FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. she is the one crating a distraction to important work. throw in biden and things realy go downhill fAST

PELOSI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ORDERING TORTURE !!! PROSECUTE AND IMPRISON CHENEY, BUSH, RUMSFELD, GONZALEZ, BYBEE, YOO AND BRADBURY. THEY ARE THE CULPRITS IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHO SANCTIFIED TORTURE and they knew it to be illegal and a violation of our treaties.
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Never let it be said Juez that the masterminds of 9/11 who were being held at Gitmo had anything to do with torture. When they hijacked American airplanes and crashed them into buildings killing nearly 3000 people, they were ONLY trying to EDUCATE Americans on civilized behavior. Americans NEED to be taught a lesson. . BUSH and CHENEY are the enemy.

You know I am getting fed up with all this childish ranting about torture. Unless you have been in combat, with your life on the line. Just shut up. When you are in harm’s way, you have to do what is necessary for the survival of the people you are with. I don’t agree with all of the moves any of the presidents have made lately. I certainly didn’t agree with Vietnam, where I lost a lot of friends. But once you call your shot as president, we, the ‘grunts’ or troopers have to respond. There is an ‘enemy’ out there that would love nothing better than to slaughter everyone of you for God. They will bomb schools, kill innocent civilians and try their best to get weapons of mass destruction into this country. They want you dead. They don’t want to ‘talk’ about it. They could care less how honorable you are and how many valufrated words you use. So go back to sipping you ice cold tea and flip to another channel and shut up. There is nothing more sickening than sidewalk politicans that are as niave as school children.

who cares? really, these people lie all the time. How about fixing the problem and keeping focus on the improtant issue which is torture. And stop trying to have it justified that torture works.
Of course torture works, but its inhumane.
..its against geneva convention law and thats the bottom line. Smoke and mirrors makes you look stupid.

JFrance @ 4:41 – Thank you – your comments are right on the mark. The rest of these folks enjoy revisionist history and love to hear themselves talk……

Nancy Pelosi has made the accusations that the CIA lied to her – now the responsibility is hers to come forward with any and all evidence to support her claims.
Otherwise, she owes the CIA and the America public an apology, and immediately following, she should step down as Speaker of the House, and resign.

The heck with waterboarding, just use a picture of Pelosi to torture the terrorist with. That would make any man talk.

Full disclosure isn’t looking so great for the democrats either. Talk about hypocrites. When was the last time anyone knew of a politician telling us the truth? They all lie and, depending on your political conviction, we believe our own party. That’s why we’re in this mess! Get rid of all of them – the speaker and everyone else who has been in office more than 10 years. TERM LIMITS!!!

..its against geneva convention law and thats the bottom line. Smoke and mirrors makes you look stupid.
Posted by: North Park | May 19, 2009 4:42:31 PM
—-The geneva convention only applies to soverign countries and their soldiers. What do you not understand about that???

Oh yeah, like throwing 2 TRILLION DOLLARS down the Iraq ratthole – most of it borrowed from the Chinese – didn’t “undermine national security!!” Or like being asleep as a handfull of rich speculators were allowed to get even richer by making bets that nearly brought down the entire financial system didn’t “endanger national security!” These Republicans have earned every single steep drop in the polls. Playing “the nation is in danger” card again won’t help them.

The CIA never lies? Hey I am not crazy about Pelosi but come on folks.

Wow, so many Pelosi apologists who seem to have forgotten that Panetta, fellow democrat, who now runs the CIA says she is essentially lying….. he knows, he saw the docs. Dems keep forgetting the Clinton apologists who tried to justify his lying in court 3 times and denying the blue dress stain….oh yeah, that backfired too. Pretty obvious, she is doing a CYA to justify her position and just talked too much and cannot dig her self out now, so the dems will block the truth docs to cover her, but I do suspect it will be the last time they do it for her.

How do you know she lied?

No catman, I was in Boehners company a couple of weeks back and believe me he has no discretion with his potty mouth in public places. I was very disappointed and taken aback coming from a leader of the congress. He was also drunk.

Run that arrogant Pelosi out of town. Demands expensive government aircraft for personal reasons and then denies it, lies about the CIA and her knowledge of torture etc …Time for this lying hag to be put out of office.

Hey Boehner raised an intersting point…produce the evidence that the CIA lied to you or print a retraction and shut your libelous and slanderous remarks up. The democrats have always been more then willing to launch investigations to find out who knew, when they knew and and how much they knew…They just don’t like it when the witch hunt surronds them to burn them at the stake…It’s time for democrats for be held accountable for the country’s wrongs side by side with the Republicans

Let’s all repeat “Telling a terrorist he’s bad for killing” is torture. Put it in the press over and over again. Tell it to the congress. Repeat over and over that anyone that said this should be prosecuted. And demand a federal investigation! This is how ridiculous Washington has become. What don’t you get? The “Bad Guys” are Bad Guys. They have killed thousands of our people and especially their own people. They want to kill you, me, our children and anyone that doesn’t agree with them or looks sideways at their goats. When caught, they need to be questioned with some tough methods to possibly keep others from being killed. GET REAL!

With all the problems facing our country, we have to put up with the GOP’s whining again! Can’t they think of a better way to use their time? I’ve been unemployed since Sept., along with so many other people, that to read this article just makes me all the more sure that I would never ever in my lifetime vote for a Republican. Show me the “jobs”. That’s all I want to hear from my elected officials. DO YOUR JOB AND GET ME A JOB!!!
—-Spoken like a true DEMOCRAT!

Criticism from a man that lied repeatedly to his wife and family, had an affair with his aide during the time he was slamming Clinton for the same thing, then asked his wife for a divorce while she was in the hospital fighting cancer, I think criticism should come from anyone further from the slime than Gingrich.

Since the GOP is no longer in the majority – They are on another witch hunt! Remember the Clinton impeachment Debacle? So much for their Bi-Partisanship. GOPers: – you had your time in the spotlight and ruined our great country – let the Democrats fix things like they always do! The GOP is great at pointing fingers but take no responsibility for what the Bush/Cheney Administration did and had their mits on supporting the war and torture – so shut up already!

Let’s all repeat “Telling a terrorist he’s bad for killing” is torture. Put it in the press over and over again. Tell it to the congress. Repeat over and over that anyone that said this should be prosecuted. And demand a federal investigation! This is how ridiculous Washington has become. What don’t you get? The “Bad Guys” are Bad Guys. They have killed thousands of our people and especially their own people. They want to kill you, me, our children and anyone that doesn’t agree with them or looks sideways at their goats. When caught, they need to be questioned with some tough methods to possibly keep others from being killed. GET REAL!
Posted by: XPoseTheTruth | May 19, 2009 5:10:06 PM
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Your posting is full of hate, bigotry and ignorance. Shameful and poorly educated.

I haven’t seen Harry Reid, Barney Franks and other Democrats speaking out in favor of Pelosi. I heard a retired Senator.
Pelosi needs to step down. Her credibility is gone and she has become an embarrassment to all Democrats.

catman : Whether “most Americans” either believe or don’t believe that something is illegal does not alter IN ONE WHIT whether that thing is in fact legal or illegal. What is legal or illegal is what is written into LAW by the legislative process. That is called “Rule of Law”. The other is called “Rule of Majority Opinion” – which right now excludes Republicans, BTW.

What is the GOP upset about? The fact that Pelosi lied about something the GOP agrees with doing anyway (torture)?

Nanci Pelosi should stay right where she is.. She does the Democratic party more damage by staying the Speaker of the House than anything the Republicans can do them. Keep up the good work Nanci.. p.s Hey, democrats, why don’t you bring back Cynthia Mckinney and put her in a position of power in the congress?

Pelosi is an embarrassment to all Democrats.!!

Pelosi is full of it, total demonizer…No good for the Country.

You guys are failing to remember that Congress already has looked into charging the Bush Administration for our interrogation techniques. They found NOTHING ILLEGAL. In fact, because they found nothing illegal they have asked the Bush Lawyers local BAR to do an ethics investigation. NOTHING ILLEGAL WAS DONE.

Thanks Pelosi for helping to bankrupt and create another welfare state for the country.

I can’t tell you how little I care whether she knew or not. Who cares? Not me. Not anyone I know. STay, go, who cares. Isn’t there actual work these people should be doing? Folks are worried about their jobs. how much do you think they care about this???? not a whole hell of a lot. unless is brings down unemployment, dont bother to report it.

Republicans are liars and (lately) big spenders. They are, however, tax cutters which produce bigger revenue for the gov.
Democrats are bigger liars and even bigger spenders and are flat-out anti-American (except for old-time blue dog Dems).
I doubt the DailyKos, Soros, Moveon.org, etc. are what the founders had in mind for leaders in our country.
Republicans are the lesser of the two evils.

Pelosi is trying to cover up what she knew by saying the CIA lied. She should step down!

She’s got nothing. It’s all words and lies. If she had something else, she would have produced it when her approval rating was at 50%. Now it’s in the 30′s. Doesn’t do her any good to keep talking about this. We’ve all known about “waterboarding” for a long time. It’s been a non-issue until now. WATERBOARDING WAS BEING POLITE TO THESE DEMONS THAT CAUSED THE DEATHS OF 3000 AMERICANS! ANYONE THAT SAYS WE TORTURED THESE GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. IT IS A SMALL JUSTICE FOR THE 3000 AMERICANS THAT DIED ON 9/11. You’re so caught up in D’s versus R’s that you don’t realize you are defending these guys against a former President. Lip service to 9/11 victims won’t make up for your comments.

Hey libs, you guys must be really upset that the media isn’t giving your queen a free pass. Thank you ABC for actually putting this up.

Senate Minority Leader Boehner is a partisan hack which is why he leads a minority. He raises a moronic point in asking for evidence of lies becasue the briefings were classified. If there were official recordings of the briefings, how could anyone produce them without violating classified information? Mr. Boehner should stick to making the GOP rabble less rabid.

Senate Minority Leader Boehner is a partisan hack which is why he leads a minority. He raises a moronic point in asking for evidence of lies becasue the briefings were classified. If there were official recordings of the briefings, how could anyone produce them without violating classified information? Mr. Boehner should stick to making the GOP rabble less rabid.

So let me get this right. Pelosi is suppose to provide evidence about information she wasn’t given. STOP. The impetus is on the CIA to prove she was given the information. Remember, this happened during the same year the CIA is manufacturing lies about Iraq. This is the same CIA that stated they had FOUR meetings with Senator Bob Grahm. Grahm proved three of those meetings didn’t exist and the CIA pulled a mea culpa. NO. The CIA proved they will lie. To the GOP: you’re fools to yourselves. Bring out your Truth Commission. Unlike the GOP, the Democrats will soon give up on a politicians lies than give up on our principals. The GOP enshrines their liars.

Somebody needs to outlaw all politicians.

Obama Fail Too whined “Probably the biggest liar we have on our hands is Obama. Mr. “We must live within our means.”"
Let me know when Obama lies us into a war like Bush did.

First, the former administration did not condone torture. They sought legal advice to ensure that they were advised as to what measures could be taken. Second, some of these measures have been used in training our people in case they are taken hostage. I know this because a relative of mine had some of these methods used on him, in the name of national security. It was not done under the Bush/Cheney administration either. It was under a democrat. As to Pelosi; she is a liar and has been exposed due to her own stupidity. That is not to say I think democrats are dumb, because I think there are people in both parties that are dishonest. These people are supposed to represent all of us, not a select few. Bush/Cheney did not completely cause the United States to be dissed overseas. I lived overseas long before their administration and we have been hated since WWII. I know it seems nuts, but we have been regarded as the ugly American for decades; it is nothing new. Do I think Bush/Cheney did the best they could under the circumstances; I have no idea as I was not privy to the information they were, anymore than I will be for this President. What I believe we need to do, is stop the in-fighting, and get this country back on its feet. We need to tell all our politicians to just shut the heck up, and get back to work, or we need to fire them. If they don’t do the job they have been elected for, then don’t we have the right to recall their sorry ###es.

ABC: The official transcriptionist of the GOP.

I am by no means a Pelosi fan, but the evil GOP making a big deal out of her lies when their lies about WMD and Torture and the release of AG’s is so egregious that the comparison is between what Pelosi is accused of and what Cheny Bush is guilty of bogles the mind. The hypocrisy of the GOP is more than one can bare. How they have the brazen audacity to be so hypocritic is truly beyond amazing. They turn my stomach!

Fellow robbed a convenience store in Texas: pointed a big gun at the cashier and demanded all the cash. When caught, he blamed the clerk: said she “knew all along that he was robbing the store” and that she “did nothing to stop him”. Being this was Texas, the guy got off… but the clerk is still serving time for “conspiracy”.
Well, at least she would be if her name was “Pelosi”.

The distractions about who lied are GOP herrings. They mean little if an investigation ultimately leads back to those who authorized torture and lies. Neither the CIA nor Speaker Pelosi are to blame for the current uproar.
There would be no uproar without those who authorised waterboarding. The voices of those who authorized the actions seem to be missing from these discussions.

A member of Congress, no less than its speaker, have accused an executive branch of the US Government and its career officials of lying under oath and lying to Congress.
These are very serious charges. At a minimum, if she honest believes they lied to Congress, then there should be an investigation into it.
The Speaker of all people, should know that these words and accusations carry consequences. She owes it to the American people to find out if they really did lie to her.

Why is this claptrap peice of journalism being recirculated as a major headline, complete with a foreboding picture of Pelosi and her detractors? I doubt because it’s a slow news day. Maybe it’s assumed Americans are stupid enough to fall for two- bit, sleazy railroading attempts that spin around with disregard of the facts.

Our government was not founded on democracy, truth, or morality. Our government was founded on interpretation of the Constitution and not the words. We have tweaked, ignored, added, and blasphemed the Constitution for the past 233 years for power and glory of the elite. Here are facts. The original governors of the USA were educated elite white men who thought they knew better than the ignorant masses. In that area nothing has changed. The difference lies in the code of conduct and morality of current elite leaders. In the past the elite leaders followed a moral code and conduct of Noblesse Oblige or obligation of the noble. They thought carefully about decisions for the constituency they represented even if it only was white males. Today the elite leaders have no moral code of conduct and their only concern is personal wealth, gain, and power. The constituency is never truly considered. Here is the dilemma. How do you bring back code of conduct, ethics, morals, and obligation of the noble? It has reached an apex. This President was elected on change and this is the change the people thought they were getting. Instead it is SSDD and nothing is changed. The Republicans and Democrats still charge each other, the media uses weapons of mass distraction, and we the people are still ignored. It is my guess that 80% of the population is purple, not red and not blue. We live an ethical and moral code of conduct and honor. The change we want is for the leaders to do the same. Fire all of them, bring them all to trial, the guilty will be punished and the not guilty will be acquitted. Personally I believe every one in Washington DC is a cheat, liar, and criminal, but let the courts prove it. Bring everyone in Washington DC to trial.

This whole thing is interesting, but not truly important. The best the repubs can hope for is to embarass Pelosi, expose her as hypocrite, and make her apologise. This is truly inconsequentual stuff, as most politicians as cut from the same cloth; these things come as a shock to no one. Politician Misleads! What a non-headline.
If the dems want to pursue “truth” commisions, they are going to expose the fact that they were in the loop also. Any sincere investigation into the facts is going to show that a great many people who are denouncing “torture” were in fact aware of what was going on at the time and said nothing. The brazenly partisian nature of the commisions will only hurt the dems in the long run, considering most people dont mind that a few terrorists were waterboarded.

Pelosi would rather lie and destroy this country than confess she lied and doing the right thing by stepping down. The Democrats lie and cheat but the liberals will support them no matter what. Terrorists deserve nothing but the worst kind of torture. Waterboarding does not compare to what they do or would do to their captives.

The maxim in law is “silence grants consent”. How can the speaker say that she is blameless when she was told of ENHANCED INTEROGATION TECHNIQUES? What did she think this meant? She was either un-curious or silently approved. So she is either incompetent or a liar!

Blame gaming isn’t going to solve anything. Torture? You have no clue. It’s too bad that some photographer didn’t get a shot of the Republic of Korea Tiger division working over a Vietcong. Count them, 52,000 plus Americans died in that conflict. It probably would have been double that without harsh information gathering. War or conflict is not a video game where you can get a cheat sheet or make up the rules. You fight. You win or lose. You live or die. We will never really know exactly what the government knew about Iraq. They aren’t going to tell you. All I know is we sent our best into harms way against butchers and the highest height of evil in the world. We are still there dealing with folks that don’t view life as worth a plug nickel. Letting the media spoon feed you like a little baby is just sad. I think some of these organizations should be tried for Treason. That bodes especially true when they reveal high security operations. How many folks do you suppose they have killed with their so-called freedom of speech or the right to know. You want a real wakeup call? Go walk through a Veteran’s hospital and view what really goes on. How many of these barely grownup folks in most cases could have been saved if everybody would just let us deal with conflict in a way that benefits our own people.

Several things have to be considered:
First, in 2002 CIA people we under extreme pressure from Cheney to alter their reports on the war on terror.
Second, George Tenant was the Director of the CIA at that time. Anything the administration wanted from the CIA, the administration got – true or untrue.
Third, there were other folks at that meeting. One backs Pelosi. The others have not weighed in.
Fourth, assuming Pelosi is wrong, who committed the greater sin? Pelosi who got her facts wrong? The torturers? The people in the administration who ordered the torture?
Five, the Republicans should think their ravings over more carefully. What is to stop President Obama from ordering the AG to appoint a special indedent prosecutor to get to all of the facts and who was involved. The SP would have all the legal power he/she needed and the resources to do a complete job. He/she would then, in the event of broken laws, bring indictments in. Does the GOP really want to subject Bush/Cheney/Boehmer/Rumsfield/etc to this? Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it.

Why is Pelosi afraid to be put under oath if she has nothing to hide?

they now have a nancy pelosi waterboarding action figure on the market for 49.95

Misleading the people of this country which resulted in a stupid war causing thousands of innocent lives (American/Iraq)for which there was no rationale=crime against humanity. The sooner these war criminals are brought to justice the better.

melvin polatnick The school yard bully is usually a hunter and abuser of animals.——Dude that statement is just wrong on so many levels……

This can of worms should have never been opened in the first place….Obama and pelosi wanted it so now they got it…The american people are watching…They don’t like that they did this in the first place to our men and women that keep this country safe and so we can do what we are doing now. Obama and pelosi did all this for the terrorist that killed american citizens…Now they can deal with it…

Obama needs to distance himself from Pelosi. This has gotten out of control and gone on for to long. I believe she disgraced the party and the sooner we relieve her of her duties the better.

Hey Nancy, liar liar pants suit on fire.

You omitted a key qualifier in Panetta’s letter. His statement began with “based on contemporanous notes”..the CIA briefing was truthful.
Who was the briefer? Why has he or she not stepped forward to tell us what was told to Pelosi? The fact that “it is not the policy of the CIA to lie to congress” does not mean that Pelosi is lying. I’m sorry but these are the same intel people who told us Iraq had WMD..”slam dunk.”

Pete Hoekstra, the Republican tool who was outraged on CNN yesterday that Pelosi would make such allegations is currently heading an investigation of the CIA for having a plane shot down killing a missionary and her 7 month old daughter. They thought it was a drug plane so they had the Peruvan Millitary shoot the plane down. So, Hoekstra is investigating the very agency that says they briefed Pelosi. What a bunch of clowns. The investigation of Bush/Cheney can’t come soon enough.

Pelosi is an embarrassment to all Democrats.

Obama needs to stand up and be the president for once. He MUST get rid of Ms. Nancy Pelosi. PS – the sooner the better.

TexasDem, the CIA has been trashing the U.S. since at least when I was in 5th grade (Bay of Pigs) and truthfully long before that. In the late ’60′s and early ’70′s the CIA was joining forces with the FBI and groups like CREEP and the “Plumbers” to disrupt the electoral process itself and to stifle dissent. After Watergate and the resultant Congressional hearings, the CIA mostly went to ground and confined its operations to overseas intelligence gathering. But first Reagan (Iran Contra) and then Bush Sr. opened the door for the CIA again – and Bush Jr. obeyed Cheney and threw it wide. Let us remember that Bush Sr. was tied to the CIA a LONG time before he headed the agency briefly under Ford (1976-7).
The CIA is known throughout the world AND at home for being a too-autonomous and too-secretive agency committed to its own agenda and to the benefit of large corporations operating in many parts of the world. Much of the Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian and other Arab antipathy toward the U.S. is directly resultant to “covert” CIA actions conducted against the people and the expressed will of the people of these lands – including deposing a popular elected Iranian Prime Minister in 1953 for the benefit of American oil companies.
But the CIS’s record on telling the truth before Congress is just about nil.
The truth is, there is a strong smell of rot coming from CIA HQ: a smell of old trash and of dead bodies. The CIA is in desperate need of a housecleaning so that it can serve as a legitimate instrument in service to the legitimate interests of the People of the United States.
What the CIA ever told Pelosi is really irrelevant – because quite frankly she would have been incompetent had she so much as BELIEVED them. Moreover, it is on record that what the CIA did tell Pelosi, they communicated in a CLASSIFIED or SECRET briefing. Whatever Pelosi heard in that briefing, she could not legally use outside of closed-door Congressional committees ruled by Republicans. Unlike Rove, Libby, Cheney and some others, Pelosi seems to have chosen to treat classified information as CLASSIFIED. She may even yet be doing so.
So in the end, it is not Pelosi who needs to join the ranks of the unemployed – but rather those in the CIA and in the Bush Justice Department who chose to “interpret” the law as stating precisely the opposite of what it in fact does say: that waterboarding is torture and that torture is ALWAYS unlawful. The Bush Administration’s interpretation on this issue could not be more damning if they had “interpreted” that strangling someone is not “murder” because there is no blood! It was (il)legal HOGWASH!

Pelosi must go. She’s part of the problems of the past 8 years!

bobj72 says – If “Speaking to the rule of law” was determined by involvement in “Major Political Scandals” – the GOP would be PERMANENTLY MUTED! (There has been 9 Major GOP Scandals over the last 8 years. That’s 1.12 MAJOR Scandals Per Year!!!)
Your “statistic” probably rings true. So how do you defend Kilpatrick, Jefferson, Murtha, Blago, Burris, Jackson II, Clinton, Dodd, Franks, Edwards, Rangel, and their ilk? Let’s see that’s eleven so far since last year, and that’s only the tip of the liberal iceberg. So by your theory, seems to me the democratic ratio of “high level” corruption is much higher than the GOP. We’re talking ONE YEAR versus your 8 year claim? So prepare your liberal selves for a BIG turnover in 2012. By the sounds of the backlash coming from the left on just about all of Obama’s policies, a lot of citizens in this country that put their faith in the messiah’s BS mantra of “hope and change” are fed up with the liberal democratic party who puts their own interests above the needs of this country.

Who does Gingrich think he is to ask for Pelosi’s resignation? He is the ex-Speaker of the House. He has as much clout as you or I do. It would be like you or I were telling Pelosis to resign. As for the CIA lying? Heck yes they lie! The CIA is not the boyscouts! This whole thing is about whether the Bush Administration and Cheney tortured prisoners. Heck yes they did! This is a diversion! It’s like the Republicans are saying yes we are guilty of torturing prisoners, but you knew about and that makes you worse. What a typical Republican way of thinking.

Nancy is not LYING. George Tenet ran a “lying machine” controlled by Bush and Cheney. Do you really REALLY Believe that the CIA told a Democrat Pelosi or anyone Outside of their “war games” that it was backing Bush and Cheney games of Torture. I believe Nancy, knowing what the CIA was doing this time and who Ran it at the time.

Mr.Gingrich and the Republicans have all the answers.Where were they when the country started its economic down turn.I suppose everything would be just great now if they,the Republicans,were in power.Nobody calling anybody a liar,no debt,no war.Now who is misleading the public.

If Newt G. wants to go back and investigate the actual memos and briefings on Speaker Pelosi, go back all the way including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.