May 8, 2009 7:44am

President Obama vs. Bristol Palin on Abstinence-Only Education

Unwed teenage mother Bristol Palin might be out there talking about abstinence, but President Obama isn’t buying abstinence-only education.

Two $100 million programs from his predecessor’s budget pushing abstinence only are casualties in President Obama’s $3.55 trillion budget proposal.

The President is replacing them with $110 million “for teenage pregnancy prevention programs that have been proven effective through rigorous evaluation," as spelled out on pages 490 to 495 of the budget appendix.

Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., applauded the move, saying "eliminating funding for ineffective abstinence-only programs is a win for science. The Obama budget proposal invests in programs that are effective and based on sound science, rather than wasting millions of dollars on efforts that have been proven to be ineffective at best."

Palin, meanwhile, told GMA’s Chris Cuomo that "regardless of what I did personally, I just think that abstinence is the only way you can effectively, 100 percent foolproof way you can prevent pregnancy."

She didn’t have an answer readily available when pressed on how her personal story squares with the abstinence only campaign she’s pushing.

"I’m not quite sure, I just want to go out there and promote abstinence and say, this is the safest choice," she said. "This is the choice that’s going to prevent teen pregnancy and prevent a lot of heartache."

A recent study in the journal Pediatrics indicated that teenagers who make "virginity pledges" to remain chaste until marriage are no less likely to engage in premarital sex but significantly less likely to use birth control.

"Taking a pledge doesn’t seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior," Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health told the Washington Post. "But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking." 

– jpt

User Comments

Wow.. Palin = Hypocrite. Must be in the DNA

Posted by: dg | May 8, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am

Has the world gone mad? This is not an either or debate. Abstinance only can be promoted, while at the same time recognizing that some will not stay with it. At least they would delay for as long as possible. You can say abstinance is best, but if you cannot wait any longer, here is how you protect yorself. After all, abstinence is best. Pregnancy is not the only concern, how about the spread of disease. Teens need to learn the serious consequences of their actions. I think that Bristol would be a great spokesperson because she has credibility in sharing the fact that being a teen mother is not picnic. If she could go back and do it all over again, she would probably choose differently. I think it’s a bad idea to take the approach that teens are just going to have sex, most likely unprotected at that, so here is how to get an abortion. Is this what everyone wants for their own teen?

Posted by: Lisa | May 8, 2009, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Gov’t shouldn’t continue to spend taxpayer $$ on programs that don’t work. Am glad to see wasteful spending cut like this.

Posted by: Jody Turnbull | May 8, 2009, 8:29 am 8:29 am

Best plan for stopping teen pregnancy: No government support and tax breaks for having kids. Runner up: educating kids about herpes, because marriages can fail, but herpes is forever.

Posted by: Andrew Clunn | May 8, 2009, 8:35 am 8:35 am

I’m sorry but President Obama is mean. He is ending the DC voucher program that helps underprivileged children to attend better private schools at half the cost of the failing public schools. Yet he sends his own girls to a private institution. He then supports abortion on demand and Planned Parenthood. Is his greatest hope that his daughters have unprotected sex as teens and then get abortions? Is this how he plans to help the youth of our nation? Let’s not forget that Planned Parenthood has encouraged young girls to lie about their age and their boyfriend’s age, in order to procure an abortion, as well as potentially protect pedophiles.

Posted by: Lisa | May 8, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Lisa said: “You can say abstinence is best, but if you cannot wait any longer, here is how you protect yourself.”
Then you’re sending mixed messages, and totally undercutting the abstinence message. The bottom line is that teaching abstinence-only simply doesn’t work.
Lisa also said: ” I think it’s a bad idea to take the approach that teens are just going to have sex, most likely unprotected at that, so here is how to get an abortion.”
Where did that come from?!?!? Where is abortion mentioned? They’re talking about teaching kids SAFE SEX. And here’s a newsflash – kids ARE just going to have sex. With or without your advice or consent. That’s a reality. HOW the adults respond to this reality is the question here.
What I don’t get is why there were two $100 million dollar programs needed to tell kids, ‘Don’t have sex’. Who received this money and what did they do with it?

Posted by: SearamblerOne | May 8, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am

It is not hypocritical to offer your personal story as a cautionary tale. It is a very brave thing for young Bristol Palin to do.
Abstinence is the only 100% (maybe Michelle would say 120%) foolproof method of birth control. Teenagers need to know that having sex, no matter what birth control method one uses, has a risk of pregnancy.
Much of what President Obama has done has been purposefully meant to punish and degrade the Bush administration and conservatives.
That is telling of a bitter and insecure man.

Posted by: Concerned | May 8, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Sarah Palin: the queen of the do as I say NOT as I do party. Just saying no to sex with no education or tools is a TOTAL joke! You betcha! Hey Sarah keep your ice age ideas in Alsaka please!

Posted by: AJ | May 8, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am

Glad Obama has once again done the smart thing. Abstinence-only education is like sticking your head in the sand and pretending the problem’s not there. Of course, it is smart to teach kids not to just go out and have sex with anybody, it *IS* special. But to teach ONLY that is incomplete and a disservice to our children – now instead of going out and having sex with an education on protection, they’re just going in blind.

Posted by: Stu | May 8, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

How much does it cost Obamas’ government for Bristle Palin to come out and be a teenage voice for abstinence?
ZERO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!
Get a grip……take on the Right Wing Extremest Veterans and leave the kids alone!

Posted by: American Infidel | May 8, 2009, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Lisa, hypocrisy is persistently acting in conflict with your beliefs. Admitting a mistake, as Bristol Palin has done, is not hypocritical. Have you never tried to help someone learn from your mistakes?

Posted by: Greg | May 8, 2009, 8:57 am 8:57 am

To the poster who commented that abstinance only programs can be supplemented with information on how to protect yourself, you have missed the point of abstinance ONLY education. Proponets of that approach (mainly Christian conservatives) argue that providing information about birth control undermines the abstinance message. They oppose providing any information on birth control to teenagers. That’s why abstinance only programs are so utterly ineffective. The approach advocated by most liberals is to discuss abstinance as just one possibile way to prevent pregnancy while also providing teens with information about and access to other forms of brith control.

Posted by: Beth | May 8, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am

My problem is not about teaching abstinence . . . it is teaching abstinence ONLY. Refusing to teach ways of preventing STDs (i.e. living in the real world) puts a lot of kids at risk. Bristol can and should talk about abstinence but it should be included with a full sex eductaion program. After all it failed miserably for Bristol in the abstinence only household she grew up in. Bristol needs to remember that she is fortunate that all she ended up with is a baby!

Posted by: Scott_Mich | May 8, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am

“Wow.. Palin = Hypocrite. Must be in the DNA”
Some people who have been involved in DUI accident deaths go from high school to high school pleading kids not to drink and drive.
According your logic, they’re hypocrites too.
How dare they!

Posted by: drjohn | May 8, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am

If a person teenager or adult can’t control their own appetites and passions,will be forever a slave to instant gratification in all areas of their life.
Why the heck would a girl want to be some boys concubine, when if she keeps herself clean she can be some mans
queen.

Posted by: Jean | May 8, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am

What’s taught in the inner cities?
ANYTHING?
What’s the out of wedlock birth rate in DC? How’s that working out?
Detroit? New York City? New Orleans? San Franscisco?
Where is the shining success?

Posted by: drjohn | May 8, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am

57% of births in DC are out of wedlock.
Fabulous.
What’s being taught in DC? Anyone?
National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 57, Number 7, January 7, 2009

Posted by: drjohn | May 8, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am

drjohn wrote: “What’s taught in the inner cities?
ANYTHING?
What’s the out of wedlock birth rate in DC? How’s that working out?
Detroit? New York City? New Orleans? San Franscisco?
Where is the shining success?”
That’s a good argument. My opinion is that this move is a long-term political strategy for the democrats: what political affiliation will the offspring of these people likely have?

Posted by: Dave | May 8, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am

“What’s taught in the inner cities?”
You’re trying to make your point by targeting a specific demographic. The inner cities have a lot of special problems. Would you like to argue about gun control for instance?

Posted by: Skip | May 8, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Thank god. Abstinence only is the most misguided program possible with regard to sex-education. Yes, abstinence is the only 100% effective route, but any time you are denying factual information to someone, it amounts to dishonesty. Teens loathe dishonesty in adults, and tend to rebel against it. I received excellent health education at my private school (not bound by public school rules), and I and many of my friends chose abstinence over the responsibilities and threats to our futures that came with having sex too soon.

Posted by: JrzWrld | May 8, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am

Well Thank God President Obama Lives in Reality unlike the Far right Nuts!

Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 8, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

“Yes, tell us how well strict gun control has worked to curb crime in DC.”
What do you mean by ‘strict’? Many would argue that there has never been any such thing.

Posted by: Skip | May 8, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

What are the excuses for gun control not working in Washington DC?

Posted by: Sigmonde | May 8, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Great decision to axe these expensive and ineffective programs. It wouldn’t cost me $100 million to advise my child of the advantages of abstaining from sex. And that’s really all they were doing with these programs, correct? And at that, it wasn’t making any positive difference as it was intended to. So we move on, quit throwing good money after bad.

Posted by: iamwomaninMI | May 8, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Thank goodness – another wrongheaded far-right,ideological fiasco ends! There is a reason that this country has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the industrialized world. And why the hyper-religious south has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country. Teaching abstinence as the best alternative is fine – so long as it’s combined with good, factualy sex education and access to safe birth control options.

Posted by: Trisha | May 8, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

I don’t know how we got focused on DC, but you go ahead and google ‘US mayors guns’ and then tell me why the mayors of almost all of our major cities are clashing with the NRA over gun control.

Posted by: Skip | May 8, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Quote: “Why the heck would a girl want to be some boys concubine, when if she keeps herself clean she can be some mans
queen.” Uh, that’s NOT always the way it works!!! I was a 21 year old virgin when I married my first husband. 13 years later I finaly had the guts to get a divorce. Abstinance or not it is about the RELATIONSHIP and NOT the sex. Still People need INFORMATION and EDUCATION in order to make a wise choice. “Abstinance Only” is not the only thing that should be taught.

Posted by: LetsKeepItReal | May 8, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

“What do you mean by ‘strict’? Many would argue that there has never been any such thing.”
Do you mean like martial law, house to house sweeps? Yikes!
With regard to birth control are we talking ‘strict’ as in chastity belts? I would rather just tell students cautionary tales like Bristol Palin.
She has credibility in saying abstinence is the only 100% effective method to prevent pregnancy. Children and young adults want us to draw the line. The want to know their limits and what is acceptable to us. They may not adhere but they want to know. They don’t need more friends to egg them on, they need parents to tell them “Don’t!”
Bristol Palin is a young woman who was very publicly humiliated by the press during a very unfortunately timed private crisis.
She and her family dealt with it with grace and love but she has become the poster child for teenage pregnancy, whether she wants to be or not, and she has picked up this mantle by trying to help others. Amazing.

Posted by: Mongo | May 8, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

“57% of births in DC are out of wedlock.
Fabulous.
What’s being taught in DC? Anyone?
National Vital Statistics Reports, Volume 57, Number 7, January 7, 2009″
Alright, I’ll play your little reindeer games.
What is taught in DC?

Posted by: V | May 8, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

“eliminating funding for ineffective abstinence-only programs is a win for science. The Obama budget proposal invests in programs that are effective and based on sound science, rather than wasting millions of dollars on efforts that have been proven to be ineffective at best.”
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That’s a ridiculous statement. SCIENCE tells us abstinence is the only sure way to avoid pregnancy. Why do people think they make themselves look smart by invoking the word “science”?
I don’t believe abstinence-only is a good educational program, and we’ve never lived in a district that taught it. I’d be surprised if more than a small minority of schools actually teach an abstinence-only curriculum. I know Bristol Palin was taught birth control and didn’t use it.
But using oneself as an example of what not to do is a time-honored tradition.

Posted by: MayBee | May 8, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Too bad Palin wasn’t smart enough earlier to figure out abstinance works only when you abstain. I hope she takes good care of her baby. That’s really all she should be focused on now.

Posted by: leftyintexas | May 8, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am

SKIP….here is the problem.
Those stupid mayors should be F-O-C-U-S-I-N-G on the CRIMINALS who USE GUNS!!!
PEROID!!

Posted by: American Infidel | May 8, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

I do not care if you are an Obama fan or not, if you are on the right or the left or even the crazy. I cannot stand it that people speak out with such meaness, rudeness, and bitterness. Often posts are so hateful. When did America lose it’s bearings on having civil discussions. Where is our respect for divergent views? Where is basic politness and kindness? I am now ashamed of my nation. Shame on you if you are hateful and cannot comment without being rude. We need lessons in ettiquette and civil discourse.

Posted by: Lisa | May 8, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Bristol Palin will be a excellent spokeswoman for this organization. I think it is great. It is going to be Mr. Obama’s problem.

Posted by: anonymous | May 8, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

“Too bad Palin wasn’t smart enough earlier to figure out abstinance works only when you abstain.”
What a cruel thing to say, you are talking about a young teenager. Even as adults, passion can overcome our most rational thoughts. It has nothing to do with intelligence. I know a number of highly intelligent girls in college who in moments of weakness, desire (sometimes alchohol) and momentary denial, became pregnant.
Oh, and there was an intellingent young man involved in all of the pregnancies, who was just as responsible for what happened as the young lady.

Posted by: Fallon | May 8, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Arrgh! “intelligent”

Posted by: fallon | May 8, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

If you take the Virgin Mary as an example then abstinence is not 100% effective.

Posted by: Doc | May 8, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

The people that are screaming about “abstinence only”, are the exact same people whose daughters are on their knees RIGHT NOW.
You people really need to wake up and face facts. Your “sweet”, “innocent”, “little” girl is….
SERVICING THE OFFENSIVE LINE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM !!!!!!

Posted by: you YEAH YOU | May 8, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Fallon… there was nothing cruel about my statment. It’s the truth. Having her as a spokesperson for abstinence is ludicrous. I said NOTHING about her boyfriend, one way or the other. The article was about her as a spokesperson, not him.

Posted by: leftyintexas | May 8, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

The point of school is to teach kids how to function in the adult world. We focus on abstinence for kids but what about when they become adults. Once these kids are adults (when sex is not as taboo) they are uneducated and ill-prepared to make responsible decisions about sex. Should a married couple who doesn’t want kids right away practice abstinence only? Or, should they have the tools and education to make smart choices for themselves?

Posted by: RB | May 8, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

“Having her as a spokesperson for abstinence is ludicrous.”
Yeah. That would be like getting former drug users to teach the evils of drugs. Or reformed alcoholics to teach the danger of alcohol. Or ex-cons to …

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 8, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am

The lowest teen pregnancy rates are in the northeast, which is predominately liberal and they teach informed sexual education. The proof is in the pudding. Red states have the highest teen pregnancy rates AND the highest divorce rates.

Posted by: There ya go | May 8, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am

How in the world can a teenage mother convince me that abstinence only prevents pregnancy when she herself, by being pregnant, has proven that such methods do not work? How naive can people be!Tell yourself all you want about abstinence, your body thinks otherwise. When your body is ready for sex, that’s a fight you will not win.

Posted by: what667 | May 8, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

“Having her as a spokesperson for abstinence is ludicrous.”
Yeah. That would be like getting former drug users to teach the evils of drugs. Or reformed alcoholics to teach the danger of alcohol. Or ex-cons to —–Exactly. Educators make exactly that point. To show a group of kids someone who is clean, has their act together that doing drugs is a mistake is not a good idea. It is supposed to deter kids yet it sends the opposite message, you can screw up, do drugs, but it’s actually OK, look at me, I survived and now i’m so ‘it” i am here as your spokes person. You want to show someone to say drugs is wrong, show obituary reports. Show them reports of folks who never bounced back. Take a walk down skid row and look at the bums sleeping on the streets drunks. It is ridiculous to put a celebrity from a wealthy family and say’ oh my life is so hard’. really???? Living on welfare, are ya???? No, go walk down the inner city street to a women’s shelter and meet THEM. far better more realistic view of what will happen to you if you get pregnant and have hte baby and dont use birth control.

Posted by: oh please | May 8, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am

“Having her as a spokesperson for abstinence is ludicrous.”
Your judgement of Bristol Palin by saying that she was not “smart enough” is indeed cruel and uncalled for. You must not have teenagers.
Is having inmates talk to young men and women hoping to talk them about the very real dangers and consequences of a life of crime ludicrous?
Is having former drug addicts talk to our young people about the very real dangers and consequences of drugs ludicrous?
Is having former gang members warn young people about the very real dangers and consequences of gangs ludicrous.
Is having convicted DUI offenders talk to high school classes about the very real dangers and consequences of drinking and driving ludicrous?
These cautionary tales may not stop every young person from going down these paths but it might make some think and chose another path.
The experience of the spokesperson in each of these examples is precisely why they have more credibility with young people than their parents or teachers.
Who better to talk to young people about the very real dangers of teenage sex than another teenager who took the risks and now has a child to raise. She is a very brave young lady and does not deserve your ridicule that she was not “smart enough”.

Posted by: fallon | May 8, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

No. Simply taking a pledge won’t work but it seems that pills, condoms or even teaching it doesn’t seem to work either. We can cite statistics that say that teenage births are down but do we also cite that perhaps abortions have gone up?
If a child is born out of wedlock it is proven that that child will also have a greater chance of doing the same but in a society where anything goes I think we are fighting a battle, both with and without tax payer support,that won’t be won regardless of what “scientific” measures are taken.
Personal responsibility wcould help but rememebr we live in a time when one makes a “mistake” that the government has a team of well paid individuals, that depend on this behavior for their jobs, waiting in the wings to hand out aid for the mother of the baby while the father often strolls on down the street looking for fresh material. Sad.

Posted by: david | May 8, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

oh please:
“Having her as a spokesperson for abstinence is ludicrous.”
Yeah. That would be like getting former drug users to teach the evils of drugs. Or reformed alcoholics to teach the danger of alcohol. Or ex-cons to —–Exactly. Educators make exactly that point.”
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I was being sarcastic. According to your “educators” and your argument Alcoholics Anonymous increases alcoholism.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 8, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Republicans scream for budget cuts as long as the cuts don’t affect the programs that fit their agenda. Abstinence-based programs are a waste of money. They don’t work.

Posted by: Eric | May 8, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

How in the world can a teenage mother convince me that abstinence only prevents pregnancy when she herself, by being pregnant, has proven that such methods do not work?
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Her being pregnant shows that not being abstinent can lead to pregnancy. no?

Posted by: MayBee | May 8, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

State of Alaska has one of the highest percentages of teen pregnancies in the nation…and how well did an abstinence only program help them, only need to look at Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol. Need to have a thorough sex education class…once teenagers know what if’s some will hold off and become abstinent…because if educated, they realize they are now responsible for their personal consequences.

Posted by: phallon | May 8, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Tell your body all you want about this “abstinence” joke; when your body wants to have sex, that’s a fight you cannot win

Posted by: what667 | May 8, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

“Because they’re ideological democrat hacks?”
Are you telling me that you think mayor Bloomberg is a Democratic hack? I like that little disclaimer you put on the end of your last post about ‘here in the states’. It says alot.

Posted by: Skip | May 8, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

“The lowest teen pregnancy rates are in the northeast, which is predominately liberal and they teach informed sexual education.”
Let’s look at New York. In 2007 (latest stats I could find), the state of New York had 258,249 live births and 120,554 abortions (120,579 resident abortion in and out of state). Live births to abortions are approximately 2 to 1.
Now, let’s look at Iowa. In 2007, the state of Iowa had 49,778 live births and 6,649 total in state abortions (5,571 resident abortions in and out of state). Live births to abortions are approximately 7.5 to 1.
I would argue that the more liberal Northeast has a higher failure rate of its birth control programs than the more conservative Midwest.

Posted by: Fallon | May 8, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

If we want to discuss Science with regard to educational programs let’s turn to the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)report of October, 2008. The reports does not support or verify President Obama speculation that all methods of abstenance eduaction do not reduce teen pregnancy. In fact, the 2004 pregnancy rate for teenagers was the lowest ever reported since the national series of estimates began in 1976. In fact the trend is down with over a 38 percent overall drop from 1990-2004. It would appear there is a large body of data that does not support his decision. Teen pregnancy rates are down. Look it up ABC!

Posted by: Truth Hurts | May 8, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I have no problem with alcoholics and former drug users as speakers against abuse of those things. They are physical addictions. Getting knocked up is not an addiction. As I said before having Palin as a spokesperson is LUDICROUS. Preaching abstinence is best left up to the PARENTS,if that is their belief. I personally think the use of condoms would be more realistic.

Posted by: leftyintexas | May 8, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Itchy, despite the fact you disagree with her being a spokesperson for abstinence, it’s rather cruel to call her a moron. We do not live her life and we shouldn’t condemn her by calling her names…I too disagree with her being a spokesperson for abstinence only…having a well paying job as a spokesperson and ditching school to do it, is sending a mixed message to these young girls.

Posted by: phallon | May 8, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Sex education never should have been in the schools or government funding; it is up to responsible parents to guide their children in those areas and give them the values of morality and abstinance. It seems to me the more this stuff is in the classroom the more unwed mothers we have seen. Parents need to be responsible and raise their own children and let the educators educate in the languages, sciences and math classes.

Posted by: CG | May 8, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Alcoholics Anonymous is abstinence based education… and statistic prove it’s the most effect treatment, for those that can do it.
Narcotics Anonymous is abstinence based education and it is highly effective.
The Great Smoke Out is an abstinence based Tobacco wareness program that while not perfect, brings results from a small investment.
No Treatment is perfect, but we must use all tools at hand. Remember it only has to prevent 50,000 pregnancies or abortions to pay dividends.

Posted by: Truth Hurts | May 8, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Fallon: Iowa allows gay marriage and voted for our current president…how are they conservative?

Posted by: phallon | May 8, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

You can’t argue with Bristol that the only 100% way not to get preggers is to abstain. But then she’s doing a song and dance with a 180 degree spin. Hello!! It wasnt that long ago when she said that abstenence wasnt realistic. Has everyone gone ADD and can’t connect the longer term dots?

Posted by: amber | May 8, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Another of Palin’s “bridges to nowhere.”
Republicans should be glad to have ineffective “abstinence only sex education” PORK eliminated from the budget.
Of course, they would rather have volcano monitoring eliminated.
Now, the most likely victims of this nonsense are the very children of the parents who peddle this nonsense. I suspect the “Full Quivers” program for Christians will be having some members who never actually intended to join.
It’s not a problem when religionists suffer for their own stupidity and dogma. The tragedy lies in their making others, who do not believe as they do, suffer along with them by making their idocy public policy.

Posted by: Sammy | May 8, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Good for you Obama–need some common sense coming from the Federal level….

Posted by: tommboy | May 8, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

You people are wasting too much time and conversation on republicans and the republican party.
THEY ARE INSIGNIFICANT !!!!!!!

Posted by: John McNugget | May 8, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Liberals….
On one hand they promote former drug users/addicts as the best people to push the anti-drug message, but because this is the daughter of the woman they fear the most on the planet, she can’t work at promoting this issue because of her own expereinces.
She is the daughter of a leader on “ther side” so she must be demonized. Will these people be this critical of Alex rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, etc… when they inevitably get into the anti-steroids campaigns?
Are they out there openly criticizing AAA members for going into schools and trying to get young teens not to drink?

Posted by: Mike_C | May 8, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Saving the government $90 million is good especially if it’s replaceing something that is ineffective. Of course there’s lots more ineffective government programs that need to be replaced or removed. A step in the right direction for fiscal conservatives.

Posted by: Waysie | May 8, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

McNugget, I totally agree. The GOP and it’s members have done absolutely nothing constructive since they lost the election. Not one thing. I never thought that I would ever see the day when the party of Ronald Reagan would be this pathetic. So sad.

Posted by: Abby in Fl | May 8, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Hurray for common sense.
Study after study have proved that abstinence only programs DO NOT WORK.
Young people are going to have sex regardless of what we tell them-so give them REAL TOOLS-
birth control products.

Posted by: Shelley D. | May 8, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

I think the President is taking a realistic approach and that he isn’t allowing his ideals to rule the decision making process.

Posted by: Haitiana4Obama | May 8, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

BTW I wonder if Bristols mom and handlers aren’t putting her up to this because theyve got visions of 2012 sugar laums ging through their heads. Or maybe Bristol’s morally confused from her family life. The National Enquirer has to cover their buts to keep them from being sued and if they were right on about Edwards, they could be right about Palins affair with her and her husbands business partner. I dont mean to go on an all out Palin bashing, but I fell for her conservative maverick act at first so when reality got undeniable, it left me with these tendincies to backlash.

Posted by: amber | May 8, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Very smart move on Obama’s part.
Another Palin who has no idea on what they are talking about.
Obama knows that abstinence only does not work and to spend money on that program is a huge waste.
Britol Palin cannot tout that she has a miracle and then in the same breath wish she had waited.
Complete hypocrisy..
Palin’s need to stay in Alaska where the people love them… we here in the lower 48 know they are full of it and dont buy the crap they are pushing.
Thank goodness our President didn’t buy into it and knows a stinker when he smells it.
Thanks Obama for making a great decision.

Posted by: lm | May 8, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

My toilet bowl gets more respect than the republican party.

Posted by: DJay482 | May 8, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

State of Alaska has one of the highest percentages of teen pregnancies in the nation…and how well did an abstinence only program help them, only need to look at Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol
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phallon- neither Bristol’s school, nor Alaska has an abstinence-only educational program. Furthermore, Sarah Palin does not support abstinence-only education.
Bristol is merely telling teenagers that abstinence is the only way guaranteed to keep girls from getting pregnant.
That should not be controversial.

Posted by: MayBee | May 8, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Duh, yeah, I think everyone knows that if you don’t touch fire you won’t get burned. Tell that to the raging hormones in a teenager about abstinence. I think you would get a good laugh. We all went that route and we all know how difficult that situation can be, especially for the girl when a shrewd guy says,”Aw, gee, you’re the only girl for me, please, I cant wait forever, I really love you”. Best to go with Obama’s program – anything else is a waste of money. Sex is here to stay.

Posted by: Ron | May 8, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

TruthHurts, I appreciate that you use recognized research statistics to support your assertions. Unfortunately, your reasoning is specious and plain wrong. A.A. and A.N. have horrible success rates (2-5%) at best (look it up). Moreover, comparing them to teen pregnancy prevention programs seems a real stretch. Also, implying that the downward trend in teen pregnancies is somehow due to abstinence only programs is just foolish. The real reason that teen pregnancies have declined is because of increased condom use and other factors–not abstinence. The Obama Administration is aware of these facts and are taking the correct steps.

Posted by: jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Duh, yeah, I think everyone knows that if you don’t touch fire you won’t get burned. Tell that to the raging hormones in a teenager about abstinence. I think you would get a good laugh. We all went that route and we all know how difficult that situation can be, especially for the girl when a shrewd guy says,”Aw, gee, you’re the only girl for me, please, I cant wait forever, I really love you”
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Not all teenagers have sex. Some do. Saying no is an option, even if it’s tough.
Saying no to some guy putting pressure on you to have sex is something we should all encourage.
But yes, teenagers should know about birth control and STDs. I’d take a bet that every girl that gets pregnant, and every boy that gets a girl pregnant, knows about birth control from one source or another, and chose not to use it.

Posted by: MayBee | May 8, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

How about promoting “Saving Yourself” for someone who is REALLY going to love, appreciate and RESPECT you? Raging hormones, fine; boys and girls are not animals, unable to control their urges. Does anyone here really think that teenage sex is a good thing? How about turning this into a positive, praising abstinence and making it the model? I don’t think all kids will buy into this, but how about making something good and healthy? Something to strive for?

Posted by: Mimma | May 8, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

“The real reason that teen pregnancies have declined is because of increased condom use and other factors–not abstinence.”
You are, possibly purposefully, leaving out the high rate of abortion in young women. Everytime a young woman gets an abortion, she becomes a Democrat forever.
She doesn’t want to be a hypocrite, heaven’s no. Even if she changes her mind on abortion, she will continue to vote for Democrats out of guilt. Even if she disagrees with every other item in their platform, she will vote for a Democrat.
It’s positively diabolical to prey on the frightened and fragile in order to get their votes. And their are other groups who feel indentured to the Democrats? How sad.
How many millions of women will never vote for a Republican because of having had an abortion? It’s brilliantly deceitful.

Posted by: IndenturedServants | May 8, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

May Bee:
From NBC’s Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race.
It is common knowledge that Palin supported abstinence as it was so ironic her own teenage daughter got knocked up. Use birth control. How hard is it to do that? Its not just teenagers having unwanted pregnancies, there are many adults out there who shouldn’t have kids EVER, but continue to shoot them out like PEZ. Sterilization!!!!

Posted by: Britt | May 8, 2009, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

I was disappointed to learn that President Obama’s budget cuts funding for abstinence-only sex education programs. While everyone is not going to wait until marriage to have sex, there should be a standard. Just as we have sat standards for our children when it comes to drugs and alcohol, there should be a standard for sex. The decision to have sex is not an uncontrollable decision. It is a decision within each person’s control. Our teens don’t just happen to end up in bed with another teen. It is a choice. Too many teens’ lives are being ruin everyday because they have brought into the lie that they can’t be expected to control their sexual desires.
We won’t tolerate under age drinking no matter how many children are already drinking yet we are ok with our children engaging in an act which has the potential to create a new life and alter their life. Adults don’t successfully use contraceptives 100% of the time so what makes us think for one moment that our children would fair any better simply because they are now being equipped with a comprehensive sex education course?
Abstinence until marriage should be the standard. It should be the universal message. Abstinence is the only 100% safe method to protect our children from STDs, unintended pregnancies, and other emotional and physical consequences of premarital sex. Anything less than that we are sitting our children up for failure.
I guess next we will show our children how to safely drink or use drugs to reduce some of the negative effects of underage drinking and drug use. They can’t be expected to control their desires to drink and use drugs under this perspective. We must equipped them to drink and use drugs safely.

Posted by: Servant | May 8, 2009, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

IndenturedServant, I’m not sure how you linked abortion to preventing teen pregnancies. I’m also not even sure what your point is and how it relates to this article. However, I would generally agee with you that abortion is a tragic approach to birth control. I definitely do not share your cynical view of democrats.

Posted by: Jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

The teen pregnancy rate reached an all-time high in 1990 with an estimated 116.9 per thousand and an all-time high birth rate of 61.8 births per thousand in 1991. By 2002, the pregnancy rate had dropped to 75.4 per thousand – a decline of 36%. However, a December 2007 report by the Centers for Disease Control shows a 3% increase in teenage pregnancy from 2005 to 2006.
Source: Facts on American Teens’ Sexual and Reproductive Health. Guttmacher Institute September 2006. President Bush instituted Abstinence Only program in late 2001, so it did work for awhile (and a 3% increase, while still an increase, is a relatively small number.)
Two-thirds of teen pregnancies occur among teens 18-19 years old. Source: 10 facts on Teen Pregnancy. So, this “Abstanance Only’ program, being taught in schools is missing most of the “teens” who are getting pregnant, but possibly helping keep the teen pregnancy rate low for those in High School.
Abstinance Only teaches teens to repsect themselves and others. And by respecting themselves, they are being asked to wait until they have a committed partnership with someone and can make the decision together as to whether or not to have children. Can someone please tell me what’s wrong with that? Teens hear about about birth control from TV, magazines, etc. Do you think because the “Abstinence Only” class didn’t talk about it means they have never heard of it? Come on, get real.

Posted by: Mags | May 8, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Oh now, c’mon…what she’s doing is just fine. Both her and her child’s father were on TV saying that they used protection and that apparently, it didn’t work. Bristol is obviously having a rough time being a teen mom and wants to warn other teens against it. So in her logic, she’s saying, “We used protection and I still got knocked up!” and is now presenting abstinence as the only other option (seeing as “safe” sex didn’t work).
Whether you choose to believe she used protection or not is up to you.

Posted by: jenjavitis | May 8, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

When I was young, all the girls I knew who were virgins, saving themselves, were the most admired and most desired. They waited until they were adults, if not marriage and were glad that they did. Teenage sex is NOT something to be accepted as the norm, waiting until you are a grownup, able to deal with EVERYTHING that comes along with it, should be the expectation.

Posted by: Mimma | May 8, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

“I definitely do not share your cynical view of democrats.”
I did not come to this relevation on my own. I spoke to a number of middle-aged women (50-ish) during the 2008 presidential campaign and was told they could never vote for a Republican because they had had abortions in college. They expressed disdain for Biden and uncertainty about Obama, but they would not ever consider voting any other way.
The abortion information is pertinent because some do not really consider those who abort as part of the teen pregnancy rate, since they consider it a means of birth control, on par with a condom.

Posted by: Indentured | May 8, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Servant said “Abstinence until marriage should be the standard. It should be the universal message.” Perhaps if you are of the Ozzie and Harriet generation and belief system. A more realistic and contemporary message might be “Abstain from sex until you are adult enough to accept and responsibly deal with the consequences.”

Posted by: Jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

I have no problem with abstinence being included in age appropriate sex education. It is inarguably the only certain way to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancy. Having said that, abstinence ONLY sex education is nothing short of criminal negligence! Ineffectual programs like Abstinence Only sex education are indicative of the disproportionate influence of the Christian Right on American society; a situation greatly exacerbated by the Bush Administration. It is a great relief to see the Obama administration implementing more comprehensive, effective programs based on data and peer reviewed studies versus religious philosophy and self-righteous, hypocritical dogma!

Posted by: Mark | May 8, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Poor Bristol. she’s just a teenager going through a hard time. My last posting about her and her mom really did suck. I feel bad about airing those accusations. Im sorry. : (

Posted by: amber | May 8, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Indentured, if the 50-ish women you spoke of indeed feel that way then I feel sorry for them. It sounds like they are really republicans and should reconcile with their conscience. However, I doubt there are many women overall that have this predicament. Personally, I find what really differentiates liberals and conservatives is how they manage fear. And the social conservative agenda is clearly fear-based: God fearing, afraid of homosexuality, afraid of same-sex marriage, afraid of terrorists, afraid of other religions, afraid of people who look and think differently, afraid of federal government, etc. What I would like to see from conservatives is to live their beliefs and stop talking about them so much.

Posted by: Jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

DOW looks good.

Posted by: Norman | May 8, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Bristol was a naive choice for this job….mostly because, I doubt, she will produce the results this group would like.
She is attracting more attention as a poor messenger than their silly message is attracting.
She merely underscores the appearance of Republican hypocrisy……Not something Republicans or the Religious Right, probably, had hoped for.

Posted by: Sammy | May 8, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

Wow. The worst day of Sarah Palin’s life was the day McCain walked into her front door.

Posted by: Nikki | May 8, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Britt-
That bit of disinformation is just further evidence of what an awful job the press did in covering Sarah Palin during the election.
In truth (via the LA Times)
” In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself “pro-contraception” and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence.
“I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,” she said during a debate in Juneau.”

Posted by: MayBee | May 8, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Abstinence until marriage should be the standard—why? Red states advocate this en masse and their divorce rates are through the roof. Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country and while we are pretty conservative, really, folks tend ot have relationships, not so much sleeping around, but come college, these are serious relationships where they sleep together, but they wait to MARRY and that seems to be a much more successful formula. Mass also is top ten lowest teen pregnancy rate. It’s weird to be a virgin until 25 but surely, kids should wait until AT LEAST 25 to marry. That is proven by stats. STOP being obessed with virginity. this isn’t the dark ages. Put your focus on waiting to MARRY and sex ed and birth control until then. Have babies on in MARRIAGES. do not have babies out of wedlock, do not start marriages with babies from previous relationships. This is a formula that works. Proof is in the pudding. Red states and their divore rates are amusing considering thier preaching ‘family values’ to liberal states??? LOL! you guys should be so lucky to keep your families together as well as we do!!

Posted by: just sayn | May 8, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

The worst day of Sarah Palin’s life was the day McCain walked into her front door.—-she should have said ‘no’. She should have had some humility that she knew nothing about law, nothing about the constitution, nothing about finance, or wallstreet, had zero education in anything relatable to laws or finance, banking, had no background in it and she was not qualified. She had a new developmentally challenged child to think about and a pregnant daugther. It was not a good time for her to go after her career. Clearly there were more qualified folks in the country who could be VP.

Posted by: oh yeah | May 8, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Wow. The worst day of Sarah Palin’s life was the day McCain walked into her front door.
Posted by: Nikki
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Nikki….Palin let him in. She could have shut the door in his face.
DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THIS WOMAN !!!

Posted by: John McNugget | May 8, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

Amazing! $200M in ineffective programs who sole purpose was to convince kids to stay virgins until they are married. But don’t talk about contraceptives because that would be “condoning” sex. What a fantasy they live in! Talk about wasteful spending. A better program might have included all forms of birth control, including abstinence, and a factual sex education that gets straight to the point with no moral judgements. Kids should get that at home and church. Unfortunantely, right-wingers hate sex ed, saying that kids should be taught that at home. Unfortunately, most right-wingers are so screwed up sexually that that never happens. If the right-wingers had they way, thousands of unwanted children would flood our social services network to ultimately end up in our judicial system. I’m sure that is what Jesus would have wanted.

Posted by: DaveM | May 8, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Do you really disagree that a woman who has had an abortion feels a very personal relationship, possibly indebted, possibly ashamed, possibly regret, but a relationship none the less with the party who supports abortion?
“Personally, I find what really differentiates liberals and conservatives is how they manage fear.”
Naturallly, I disagree. As Robert Frost quipped, “A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.” The fear liberals have is ever having to draw the line. They have a fear of conviction.
But, what has happened to the Democratic Party lately is not really akin to classic liberalism. The vitriol of the nutroots has infected the party. The Democrats are sadly becoming the party of intolerance and hatred of “other”, not fear, hatred.
I was a Democrat in my youth, everyone except the very mature SHOULD be, but real life experiences reenforce that we are more likely to succeed if we take the government training wheels off and are alowed to pedal on our own.
I wish more people remembered that Bristol Palin is just a kid. A scared kid whose private indiscretion was viciously plastered across the internet, the evening news and the tabloids. She’s a brave kid.

Posted by: Indentured | May 8, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

It is nice to come back out of the “dark ages” our former President put us in. The party, however, is evidently still suffering from the same delusionary supporters that drove many of us away.

Posted by: CND FOX | May 8, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

You and me baby ain’t nothing but mammals…

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 8, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

The Christian Right is ruining this country. Wanting America to be a warrior nation living in the Dark Ages. They would have America become a third world Taliban like nation. Fortunately they’re a dying minority and America has seen what these people really represent and it’s not the Christainity Jesus spoke of. Politicians need to reject this bunch of looney tunes! Sarah Palin is a full flegged member of these religious wack jobs.

Posted by: AJ | May 8, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

..so let’s do it..like they do it.. on discovery channel..

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 8, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Reply to Indentured: It has nothing to do with fear or being a “liberal” or “conservative”. It has to do with common sense, rational thought and real life solutions. Unfortunately, the one party and its “base” just doesn’t get that. I always can tell people who have no real life solutions or thinking ability. They always have to fall back on “labeling” people to support their arguments. That just plain does no good or does not help solve anything.

Posted by: CND FOX | May 8, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

His timing is suspicious. When Bristol Palin received a blurb of media attention for promoting abstinence and sharing her personal story, Obama axes the abstinence program. Axeing the program probably isn’t the highest priority item on his to-do list, when there are so many other more important items. This shows a bumbling lack of effective leadership.

Posted by: Rick | May 8, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

CND FOX, I’m certain the irony of your post escapes you.
Bristol Palin and her mother were/are constantly and contemptuously labeled. Just read some of the posts here and you will see how some attack a teenage mother trying to make the best of a difficult situation.

Posted by: Jefferson | May 8, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

According to the 2000 census, 46.2% of African Americans live in single parent families, while nearly 70% of African American females have babies out of wedlock. Maybe, just maybe, if some of these young African American females would have the courage to speak out, as Bristol Palin is doing, in favor of abstinence, one of the tragedies plaguing the African American population can be dampened.
Many of the people commenting see nothing wrong with President Obama eliminating the “Abstinence-Only Education” program. Rather, they would prefer leaving the sex education, of the young, up to the urban radio station poets (Rap artists) and their shameful sound-wave pimps (disc jockeys).

Posted by: Percy | May 8, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Oh, Rick, teach us more about President Obama’s bumbling lack of effective leadership.

Posted by: DKNY | May 8, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

“The fear liberals have is ever having to draw the line. They have a fear of conviction.”
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I have to respectfully disagree with this. This is a real misperception of conservatives. I’m very much a liberal and have strong idealogical convictions. I believe that most other liberals do as well. We very much act on those beliefs…as was demonstrated in the last presidential election. It’s not fear that motivates, it’s a desire to move the world toward peace rather than war, harmony with nature and protection of the environment, social justice, respect and tolerance for all belief systems.
I think the negativity and “hate” you see reflected in threads such as this is a backlash to the hypocrisy and horrific actions of the Bush administration and the people who supported them. We’re sick of senseless war, greed, terrorism, rape of the environment, and so forth. The Palins are a lightning rod for controversy because they have been repeatedly shown to be unintelligent, make poor choices, and basically hypocritical. I’m not saying that Bristol is bad person, I just think she’s a poor choice for a spokesperson on sexual abstinence and should stay out of the public limelight.

Posted by: Jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Reply to Jefferson” No, there was no irony there, intended or unintended. If you want to believe and tout the “liberal” media garbage, that is up to you. I just find that most people or parties who use that line are just bankrupt when it comes to real life, rational ideas and solutions. It was her decision to come to the forefront with a singular minded program that had no rational reason of being passed by the former President. That is not the media’s fault.

Posted by: CND FOX | May 8, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Doubt the guys will pursue Bristol with her abstinence only rant…What guy in their 20′s is going to wait two years to do it with a girl who’s obviously already done it?

Posted by: piper | May 8, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Jefferson: She doesn’t have a difficult situation. She has family support, roof over her head, she and her baby are well fed and clothed. She has the opportunity to finish school and instead she’s ditching it to be spokesperson. Finish college, start a career, and wait till married for the second child.

Posted by: piper | May 8, 2009, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Jefferson, most people were at Miss California’s defense-didn’t go across party lines-it wasn’t an issue of pro or anti gay, just defending her constitutional right to free speech despite of her intolerant stance. As for Bristol, she’s a poor choice for spokesperson…she’s been a single mother for what 6 months, hasn’t finished school, hasn’t experienced her full journey. And besides the media is watching each and every step, as they did with John Edwards. She makes one misstep, the family will lose it all.

Posted by: piper | May 8, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

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How magnanimous of you to be so dismissive of others. It sounds like you have committed this missive to memory so you never have to consider other people’s opinions. That is a very close-minded way to go through life.

Posted by: Meh | May 8, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

*I just find that most people or parties who use that line are just bankrupt when it comes to real life, rational ideas and solutions.*
Lost the quote. Meh…

Posted by: Meh | May 8, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Jeffers, I disagree but I respect your opinion.
“I think the negativity and ‘hate’ you see reflected in threads such as this is a backlash to the hypocrisy and horrific actions of the Bush administration and the people who supported them. We’re sick of senseless war, greed, terrorism, rape of the environment, and so forth.”
Doesn’t this run counter to:
“It’s a desire to move the world toward peace rather than war, harmony with nature and protection of the environment, social justice, respect and tolerance for all belief systems.”
The peace, love and understanding appears to have taken a back seat to vitriol, hate and scorched earth tactics. Why become worse than what you “hate”? When will you (in general) have exacted your pound of flesh and go back to the respect and tolerance parts?
“The Palins are a lightning rod for controversy because they have been repeatedly shown to be unintelligent, make poor choices, and basically hypocritical.”
Again we disagree. The Palins have shown to be a very loving and strong family. Who’s family doesn’t have struggles but most of us do not have to deal with them in the public eye.
I think there is a battle going on between urban/suburban and small towm/rural communities. Urban areas are blue, rural area are red.
There is a lot of misunderstanding on both sides. There is a natural disagreement on government policies based on needs, social environment and population. Urbanites are more willing to give up their individualism for a perceived greater good. Rural areas take pride in their individualism and only want help when they cannot handle a problem themselves.
It was only about a hundred years ago that we went from being a mostly agrarian to a mostly urban/industrial society.
Governor Palin rose from a successful PTA president to a very highly rated governor of her state. That takes a certain drive, intelligence and record of accomplishment. Dismissing her due to where she lives or how the late night comedians skewered her is taking the easy way out.
She is an incredibly accomplished woman and I find her outdoorsmanship and zest for life refreshing. I do think the pro-choice people will always judge her harshly due to their own insecurities.
“I’m not saying that Bristol is bad person, I just think she’s a poor choice for a spokesperson on sexual abstinence and should stay out of the public limelight.”
Once again, we are looking at her through different ends of the telescope. You see her as small and insignificant, a poor choice.
I see her life experiences to be her greatest strength. I see her lot in life magnified by her willingness to share her journey with other teens to help them see the real consequences of teen sex. The father of the baby got cold feet after planning to marry, I’m guessing a lot of “I love you’s” were spoken between them.
Bristol still has to finish high school while trying to raise a baby.
I can see some teens say to themselves, “Look, it (pregnancy) happened to the daughter of a governor, the daughter of a VP candidate, it can happen to anyone who chooses to have sex before they are ready to raise a child (a possibility and consequence of not practicing abstenance). Maybe, we should wait.”
If she does a little good, why put a target on her back. Why would President Obama purposefully talk up this part of his budget? It makes him appear as bitter and spiteful as some of the posters who go way beyond common decency.
Thanks for the conversation.

Posted by: Indentured | May 8, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Good for Obama for funding birth control programs that work. Teens shouldn’t have sex – good luck with that.

Posted by: Jerry Togh | May 8, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Good luck to Bristol! She appears to have a supporting mother, but that should not be a blank check for making abstinence only transcend from a private approach to full-fledged public policy, as has been tried in recent years.

Posted by: Aksel | May 8, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Abstinence only is great in theory, but as a parent, is it not our job to protect our children regardless? My parents talked to myself and siblings (one brother one sister) from a very young age about sex. First and foremost was emphasized that they did not want us to have it. They educated us about pregnancy, STD’s and the responsibility that comes with sex. Also, that it was something very special to share only with someone that you truly love and respect. This was followed up with the assurance that IF we were thinking about it that we could come to them to discuss it and birth control options. My sister and I were virgins until our 20′s, my brother – well, not so much. However, he was spared any STD’s and out of wedlock children because he was able to talk to my parents about birth control. It’s not a perfect solution, but a REALISTIC one. Sex education is a valuable tool to help our youth. I don’t want my children having sex until they are married either, however, I also don’t want to become a grandmother prematurely because of a lack of information available to my children. Sex education should start in the home, but I think school sex ed programs are a great back-up and something that can help start a dialogue between myself and my children if they have questions.

Posted by: Nicole | May 8, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Thank goodness that Obama is going to push for a more common-sense approach than this abstinence only nonsense. That’s never worked, never will. Some will always have sex, and providing education and easy access to birth control can keep that from becoming a huge mistake that ruins so many bright futures. European countries don’t have our purtanical approach to sex, yet we are the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rate. Why? How about their openness and willingness to provide good sex education and easy access to free or inexpensive birth control. The results of each approach is all too clear – abstinence only is a disasterous failure.

Posted by: Tricia | May 8, 2009, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Indentured, yours was a thoughtful, common sense post. They are few and far between on these pages. I agree with your post and think that if you have not walked in someone’s shoes, you should not criticize them. $100 mill is alot of money to throw at un-wed motherhood. Maybe he is going to get teens fitted for those things women wore in the middle ages when their husbands went on Crusades. Obama needs to get some common sense fast!

Posted by: annnort | May 8, 2009, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

“Obama needs to get some common sense fast!”
Actually, in this case, I think he’s given some common sense to the issue of teenage sex education and teen pregnancy! It was the silliness of the Bush era that left us with this abstinence only nonsense. That was where we lost our common sense.

Posted by: Patrick | May 8, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

This obsession with trashing the Palin family is amazing. You people need to get a life!!

Posted by: just a mom | May 8, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

“Obama needs to get some common sense fast!”
I think he’s actually showing some real common sense, funding a commonsense approach to teen sex education. We need to provide information and easy birth control access to teens, to keep one mistake from becoming two – with lifelong consequences.

Posted by: Patrick | May 8, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

To Bristol & Mom/Grandma Sarah
God bless both of you. You are LOVED and appretiated. Don’t let the scum on here hurt you. That is what they want, know why? They are scared of you and who you stand for. JESUS, TRUTH PATRIOTISM.
Hold your head high, do the next right thing. God WILL help.
Love Ya Dan

Posted by: Dr Dan | May 8, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Indentured, while I generally disagree with your point of view, I do appreciate the thoughtfulness of your replies. There is wisdom in many of the things you said and room for both agreement and disagreement. I wish more conservatives could dialog like you. We might actually find common ground.

Posted by: jeffers13450 | May 8, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

We all know that the economy has taken a nose dive (but then again thats exactly what those running this country want so they can press forward with the New World Order.)At any rate what should Bristol Palin have done, support her local abortion clinic? God bless her for doing the right thing in keeping that beautiful baby! She has every right to speak on this because she has gone through it. You may not want to agree with her but it’s in the Bible and therefore she couldn’t be more right!

Posted by: R. Pfau | May 8, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

“I wish more people remembered that Bristol Palin is just a kid. A scared kid whose private indiscretion was viciously plastered across the internet, the evening news and the tabloids. She’s a brave kid.”……….. OH PLEASE I’ve had enough of this one. Her mother chose to run, knowing she was pregnant, and her mother made a statement to the press about it. It got reported. WHAT is vicious here?

Posted by: FedUp | May 8, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

FedUp — You are right. It is so much fun to pick on a now 18 year old girl while safely sitting behind a computer screen. Let’s keep throwing mud and see what sticks. There’s nothing better than calling the Palin’s names and saying they caused all kinds of bad things. Oh yeah, they’re stupid, too, really stupid, not like FedUp and me. They’re super stupid cause they live in Alaska, and, people in Alaska are stupid and cold. And, they probably have polar bears for dinner, probably cold polar bears cause that’s how stupid they are. I got your back on this one FedUp.

Posted by: Skittles | May 8, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Anyone want to argue that maybe FEDERAL money has no business attempting to shape someone’s sexual ethic? Reject the premise.

Posted by: bj | May 8, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Best way to stop unwanted teen pregnancy is to stop rewarding bad behavior with welfare, free medical, free housing, and Eic payments. Duh!! Bush and Obama are both wasting money and only encouraging more bad behavior.

Posted by: PresGov | May 9, 2009, 12:00 am 12:00 am

I would have loved to seen Palin as VP then president……she and most everyone else would have been much better than the morons Obama and Biden, but her daughter needs to get a clue.

Posted by: PresGov | May 9, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Best way to stop unwanted teen pregnancy is to stop rewarding bad behavior with welfare, free medical, free housing, and Eic payments. Duh!! Bush and Obama are both wasting money and only encouraging more bad behavior.
Posted by: PresGov | May 9, 2009 12:00:41 AM
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That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. So what you support would be punishing a newborn baby by making sure it doesn’t have a proper diet, healthcare, housing etc….. and that proves wht exactly?

Posted by: skip | May 9, 2009, 3:41 am 3:41 am

I wonder what Obama teaches HIS kids.

Posted by: Loejay | May 9, 2009, 8:57 am 8:57 am

The Bush Admin was strong armed by the religious right for votes in funding abstinence only programs and it worked out for him, Now for young teenage girls , they just had unprotected sex and got pregnant,teach kids to wait to have sex but also teach them what to do if they decide to have sex. How hard is this.

Posted by: KWOLF443 | May 9, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am

The Gop , Rnc and Religious Right Strong Armed The Bush Admin For Abstinence Only Programs In Return For Votes And It All Worked Out For Bush , Now As For Teenage Girl It Did Not Work-Out So Well Because They Just Had Unprotected Sex And Got Pregnant So The Whole Thing Is A Bust , Nature Will Win Ever Time. Now The Better Solution Would BE Teach Abstinence And What To Do If That Does Not Work For You.(Birth Control And Condoms That Is )But The Radicule Right Will Never Get This.

Posted by: KWOLF443 | May 9, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

“I wonder what Obama teaches HIS kids.”
Obama said, “But if they (my daughters) make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Imagine thinking of your own grandchild in this way, a punishment.

Posted by: Unbelievable | May 9, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

It’s amazing that people honestly believe that teens are incapable of self-control. What do you parents teach your kids? That it’s OK to drop your pants whenever you feel like it? How’s about teaching your kids that if you want something, just put it on the credit card! You can just make monthly payments for the next 20 years to pay for it – no big deal. You want to have a diet of Big Macs and fries every night? Why not? If you have a job, it’s your money and you should be able to eat whatever you want.
How ridiculous is that? You teach your kids self control in ALL areas of their life – including sex. As a family counselor, I’ve seen more teen’s lives messed up by having a sexual relationship before they were mature enough to handle it. Sex and teens is a recipe for disaster every time, and I have 30 years of experience to back this up. Self control must be taught from early childhood. Kids who are taught this are much happier and content as adults. Teens are not mature enough emotionally to handle a sexual relationship. Kudos to Bristol Palin for being honest enough to admit she made a mistake. You want your kids to be truly happy during their teen years? Tell them to keep their pants up. That is 100% effective against STD’s and teen pregnancy. Parents, DO YOUR JOB!

Posted by: Mom of 4 | May 9, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Abstinance is a great idea, but totally unrealistic. Sex feels great. Sex is fun. teenagers are going to have sex because of those two reasons. The best options for preventing teenage pregnacy is passing out comdoms, sexual education, parents talking with there children about being safe during sex. Accidents are going to happen. Its not 100% fool proof but it will help. Attacking the govenment and the Palin family is totally uncalled for. I think everyone just needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. We wouldn’t have been given the gift of pleasre during sex if it was not to be enjoyed..teenagers are smart..there going to figure it out one way or anouther. Give them the tools to be safe and hope for the best.

Posted by: Sarah | May 9, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Mom of 4-
Pay attention to science, Abstinence Only education DOES NOT WORK. Is Abstinence a sure fire way to prevent pregnancy and STD’s, sure it is and i’m sure those who practice are plenty happy; but the problem is that those who are raised on Abstinence only education DO NOT practice it. As the studies have shown those who are raised on Abstinence Only Education are just as likely to engage in sex as those raised without it. Those who make the pledge later go on to break it. “You can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink it”
You see the problem with Abstinence only education is the fact that those who are taught it, often go on to break it and leave it… however since Abstinence ONLY education only tells teens not to have sex, it does not go far enough to tell them about safe sex and how to protect themselves should they engage in sex. The end result as the studies show, are teens who are just as likely to engage in sex as other teens, but less likely to use methods of birth control.
Hell Bristol Palin is living proof of the failure; she was raised by a mother who is a strong advocate for abstinence only education, and yet she ended up as unwed and pregnant at the age of 17.
You want self control? how about the self control to engage in safe sex, to be responsible, and to take every measure needed so that you can have sex but still prevent pregnancy and STD’s. This is the kind of things that are taught by teen pregnancy prevention programs that HAVE proven to be effective in reducing teen pregnancy. THAT is what these parents teach their kids, how to be safe should they ever give in to their urges.
Short version… Teens raised on abstinence only education end up being more likely to become pregnant than teens raised on other teen prevention programs… both end up just as likely to engage in sex, but only the later is prepared to do it safely

Posted by: Monte | May 9, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Percy-
“According to the 2000 census, 46.2% of African Americans live in single parent families, while nearly 70% of African American females have babies out of wedlock. Maybe, just maybe, if some of these young African American females would have the courage to speak out, as Bristol Palin is doing, in favor of abstinence, one of the tragedies plaguing the African American population can be dampened.”
No it wouldn’t… all that would result in is a lot of african american teens making promises that they would later go on to break. As studies have shown, Abstinence only education does not work due to the fact that most teens taught it will not abide by the promises. Teens that take abstinence only education are just as likely to engage in sex as any other teen. What they should be teaching teens is general sex education and safe sex
While i’m not sure about this, i would say that the problem that a lot of african americans face is that relatively many of them live in poorer communities. This results in them getting a poorer education and in addition a not any kind of sex education. With good sex education programs, their teens would learn about safe sex and how to avoid pregnancy. By making more use of Safe Sex the unwed pregnancies would be reduced. Better schools in general would also help make for a better social environment that might help lead to couples having longer lasting relationships.
And no, sex education would not be taught on the radio… Sex education should be taught in school. back in my high school, sex education was a standard part of our health education program. We covered everything from methods of birth control to everything you needed to know about STD’s. Our students were generally well prepared to use safe sex should they ever engage in it… and when it comes down to it, i don’t recall ever hearing about teen pregnancies from students in my old school (though to be fair, just because i didn’t hear about it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in once in a while… it was a rather large school)

Posted by: Monte | May 9, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

He gets rid of this program and promotes abortions all over the world, Washington DC and allows public dollars to go to Legal Services Corporation who goes to court to promote abortions. I thought he wanted to “lower the abortion rate”? What a liberal liar with a big time agenda for this country. Thank you all who voted for this disaster!

Posted by: Sueg | May 9, 2009, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

I think the biggest thing we are missing in this whole debate, is that boys/men are not held accountable as they should be and that girls need to be taught and have instilled in them that their bodies are special. I think lots of that has been lost in a casual attitude towards sex.

Posted by: Tiffany | May 10, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I agree with Tiffany (first comment).

Posted by: Joel | May 12, 2009, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Cut out all welfare programs for the girls that get pregnant and that would change their mind about abstinance. Having babies is cool as long as someone else pays for food, daycare and all aspects of support. But of course that is not what the democrats are all about. They want the rest of us to pay for their welfare programs. No morals for todays youth.

Posted by: Jean | May 12, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Maybe some of you should research a little deeper. Obama believes that abstinence-only should be taught right along side of comprehensive sex education to ensure that teens know the safest method is practicing abstinence but if they choose to have sex they are given the information they need to do it as safe as possible. If educators are given the gag order on what they can teach and what they cannot, we are basically telling our teens just not to have sex and not really giving educated information on what happens if they choose to do it anyway!

Posted by: arohring | May 25, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Why do you people deliberately take things out of context to suit what you were thinking in the first place? When Obama said he wouldn’t want his daughters punished with a baby for having sex, he meant that females are the ones punished for sex, the male gets off with no change to his life. Hell, he can just move to another town and never pay child support. Fix THAT and you fix welfare. But of course, accidents are accidents. If we weren’t so vicious to young unwed pregnant girls perhaps more of them would go full term and give their babies up for adoption. While you good, kind, Christian God-fearing folks are bad-mouthing them every chance you get, of course they and their families will take the ‘easy’ way out. Of course, anyone who was ever forced into an adoption or abortion situation will tell you it is a hell that never dies. How about we accept that children are going to get carried away with kissing and petting and some will end up having sex even though they didn’t plan it? How about we accept raging hormones don’t understand ‘self-control’ which is an adult concept alien to teenagers. And lots of things are in the Bible, very few of which are directing the majority of the views expressed in your posts.

Posted by: ShirleyInOz | September 3, 2009, 3:54 am 3:54 am

i think that if a student choose to have sex then we should be there to give her pertection so she doesnt end up pregnant and droping out or get an abortion of spread std’s…. if theres no child then theres no abortion…. so stop complaining bout every damn thing an get off your ass an do sumthin bout it if you dont like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT i also think that abstanence should be taught along side safe sex for the teens…

Posted by: !ShutUp! | March 12, 2010, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

I am doing an english paper on abstinence and i must say some of you are quite rude. Real Christians are not as some of you say they are yes i would talk a girl into adoption instead of abortion but i would prefer helping her the whole way through…it is not Christians faults that high schoolers are so cruel…and may i just say 95% of the people that are bad mouthing are probably not Christian to begin with…because if they where they would know that thats not the way to handle things and they would offer a helping hand when it came to teen or unwanted pregnancy…There are several people out there if you just look that are willing to help you out…Plus the key to not getting in a situation like this is abstinence…God wants us to save ourselves for our future spouses and if you have not figured this out i would pick up a Bible and start to read it maybe talk to a pastor and he can help you find the help you need…oh and please do not dog on us Christians we are not all jerks…

Posted by: Jay | October 11, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The tea party and Sarah Palin are popular, because Americans are tired of out of touch, elitist, empty suit leaders, like Obama wasting trillions of hard earned tax dollars, and turning America into a third world country. Those of us who love this country, want our government to be of the people, by the people and for the people. That’s what the tea party and Palin are … ‘the people’ … no matter how many snide condescending sarcastic insults come from the elitist progressive left.

Posted by: Howard | November 24, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Hi, I was just wanting to comment on this article because I was a pregnant teen. I am now 29. I remember people telling me it is best not to have sex but really how many teenagers are going to listen? There is going to be a time that they are going to want to experience and they will most likely do it. No matter what an adult has told them. I keep hearing fussing about birth control or what to do to stop teens being sexually active. From my experience, it all goes back to communication and observing. If you listen to you teen and watch them you will know a change. Then you could maybe take action before it is to late. Everybody has sex, it is natural. So in my opinion, don’t tell them to not do it just communicate with them and show them the safe ways to protect themselves. It is like drugs. We can not always be with our teenagers, they will do what they are taught.

Posted by: Amanda | July 8, 2011, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

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