Speaker Pelosi Claims CIA Misled Her
Earlier today House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said that when she was ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, the CIA misled her.
“The CIA briefed me only once on some enhanced interrogation techniques, in September 2002," she said, trying to refute accusations that she knew detainees were being subjected to brutal interrogation techniques but kept mum.
“I was informed then that Department of Justice opinions had concluded that the use of enhanced interrogation techniques was legal," Pelosi said. "The only mention of waterboarding at that briefing was that it was not being employed. Those conducting the briefing promised to inform the appropriate Members of Congress if that technique were to be used in the future."
Pelosi said that “Congress and the American people now know that contrary opinions within the Executive Branch concluded that these interrogation techniques were not legal. However, those opinions were not provided to Congress. We also now know that techniques, including waterboarding, had already been employed, and that those briefing me in September 2002 gave me inaccurate and incomplete information."
In February 2003, one of her staffers told her that then-House Intelligence Committee Chair Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., and Pelosi rival Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., then the Ranking Democrat on the committee, "had been briefed about the use of certain techniques which had been the subject of earlier legal opinions." Harman expressed wrote to CIA General Counsel Scott Muller expressing concerns.
“But no letter could change the policy," Pelosi said. "It was clear we had to change the leadership of the Congress and the White House."
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that "I think the problem is that the Speaker has had way too many stories on this issue. …I was not a member of the leadership at a time when these briefings occurred, so I can’t relate the extent of these briefings. But other members in our conference were in these briefings. And when you look at the number of briefings that the speaker was in, and other Democrat members of the House and Senate, it’s – it’s pretty clear that they were well aware of what these enhanced interrogation techniques were. They were well aware that they had been used. And it seems to me that they want to have it both ways."
As ABC News’ Rick Klein has been covering this in far greater detail.
- jpt
UPDATE: Pelosi’s office forwards stories reporting that other Democrats on the Intelligence Committees in the House and Senate have expressed concerns about the CIA’s accounts of these meetings, including former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla. and Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-WV.
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I think Speaker Pelosi has been reading some blogs that have floated this idea- that the CIA lied to her. It sounds good to her, so she’s going with it.
Posted by: MayBee | May 14, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Q: How do you know Nancy Pelosi is lying?
A: Her lips are moving
Posted by: tjp612 | May 14, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Our friends on the left must be so proud.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 14, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Sure thing, Nancy.
Boy, don’t Democrats really hate it when the CIA bites them in backside?
LMAO
Posted by: drjohn | May 14, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Pelosi is making the torture situation worse for herself. Does she have to call the CIA liars to explain the nuances of these meetings? Does she have to remember everything? Just shrug if off instead of digging a deeper hole…
Posted by: matt | May 14, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Oh Nancy, surely your Italian parents taught you that if you spit in the air it will hit you in the face. But did you listen? Apperently not. Arrogance will do that to you.
Posted by: paul | May 14, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
“They mislead us all the time,” she said. And when a reporter asked whether the agency lied, she didn’t disagree.
Probably not a good idea for the Speaker of the House to imply that the CIA are liars.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
“Congress and the American people now know that contrary opinions within the Executive Branch concluded that these interrogation techniques were not legal. However, those opinions were not provided to Congress.”
I like Nancy and the idea that women and non-leading males try to have a broader role in government. But there is a fundamental difference, which I think might have something to do with sex or some fundamental psychological or biological attribute, when members of congress do not realize that they are supposed to supply their own opinions for themselves.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | May 14, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Wonder if Steny will follow through on hearings he promoted earlier this week to understand who knew what and when…
If Nancy is forced/coerced to step aside, who then becomes Speaker? Steny? What is process?
Posted by: tjp612 | May 14, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
If she’s telling the truth, she’s producing some startling bad body language and nervous verbal cues. . . Perhaps she’s just not that comfortable with telling the truth.
Posted by: vinman | May 14, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
This is all Obama’s fault.
If BO wasn’t such a doormat to the left–if he had the guts to stand up to Pelosi
then the memos would not have been released.
A decision that would have earned him respect on the right–the left would have pouted for awhile then moved on.
Instead Obama stabbed the CIA in the back and now Pelosi is calling them a liar.
Terrible for our country.
Posted by: bailey | May 14, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
I love America’s new image under the Obama Administration.
I’m sure our enemies like it too.
Posted by: max | May 14, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
She needs to resign! That’s what the Dems would be yelling oh and lets put her on trial with Bush and Cheney.
Posted by: Don't waterboard me Bro! | May 14, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Good grief!
It’s one nightmare after another since 1-20-09.
If this chaos makes us safer I would like to know how.
Posted by: millie | May 14, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Arent you Proud FOGHORN Whats with the Pelosi Bashing you should Be Happy she worked With Bush in a Bi-Partisan Manner no?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
RIGHT WINGERS ON BOARD
You would think you Love Pelosi afterall Water Boarding is Not torture Right? so If she Knew she Sided with your Beloved Bush so whats up with the Bashing?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
“Arent you Proud FOGHORN Whats with the Pelosi Bashing you should Be Happy she worked With Bush in a Bi-Partisan Manner no?”
Are you calling her a liar?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 14, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Obama’s complete lack of leadership caused this.
He should have done what is best for our country/CIA/troops instead of trying to please his base.
The left wanted to humiliate Bush/Cheney and Obama obliged.
Posted by: max | May 14, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Everybody lies.! Democrats lie! Republicans lie! I lie!
Posted by: Ryan C | May 14, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
FOGHORN
Im not calling her anything Im Just asking you Right wingers Why The Bashing you Should be Happy she Went along with Bush and Cheney This Benifits you so why Bash
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
if someone does not know what is going on with their own committee, then maybe they are not the right person to be in charge or even elected. i am getting tired of hearing all “it’s their fault, they didn’t explain clear enough what they were doing” does Nancy need a picture book that tells her what is going on? another thing, these people should be proud of themselves for preventing another massive attack on US soil, we should be awarding them the “hero” of the day award for doing anything they could to prevent another 9/11.
Posted by: jaj | May 14, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Arent you Proud FOGHORN Whats with the Pelosi Bashing you should Be Happy she worked With Bush in a Bi-Partisan Manner no?
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Angie PA: Mrs. Pelosi did nothing wrong in 2002 or 2003. She worked to defend this country. She should be proud of her efforts; not denying them.
Posted by: mad | May 14, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
MILLIE
Who Created the Nightmare? The Previous Administration it all happened on their watch!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
“This Benifits you so why Bash’
You miss the point. It is her hypocrisy that is offensive.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
SO WHY ARE THE RIGHT WINGERS
Calling for her To step Down or Be Impeached?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Mad
If she did Nothing Wrong then Why Call for Her Impeachment?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Angie:
Do you believe her?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 14, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
I can’t believe the Republican are attempting to drag down House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Would it be because of her asking for a truth commission?
Wait I can believe I’m posting for Nancy or spending this much time checking out all the stories on Tapper’s Blog?
I guess I’m a fan of Tappers political punch.
I do like Chris’s Fix on the Washington Post as we can post links and Sometimes Chris will make us all feel welcome by saying “Welcome …”
Tapper Drudge put a link to Chris of the Fix on the front Page about Nancy. I going to check out your latest article. Then visit Chris.
Before I forget -
Hang in there Nancy!
Posted by: Cooday | May 14, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
She’s third in line for the presidency. Dear God!
Posted by: Lily | May 14, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
But Wait Didnt the CIA Mislead Bush with Wmds, Mushroom Clouds, Saddam Was Linked to Bin Laden to Justify The Iraq War?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
You Know Fog Horn I dont Know what to Believe With This Mess anymore But I will say We were Misled into The Iraq War We were Misled With Saddam Being Linked to Bin Laden but then again ALL POLITICANS LIE REGARDLESS OF THE PARTY!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Angie PA, I’ve never called for her impeachment. I believe she did the right thing to defend our country back in 2002 and 2003.
Posted by: mad | May 14, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Angie: I think you can believe that there are a lot of Democrats that want her gone and there is a bus coming with her name on it and Steny Hoyer is driving it and Jane Harmon is riding shotgun and the Blue Dog Democrats are all on board and POTUS is supplying the bus.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 14, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
My Question
Did the CIA Mislead the Bush Adminstration On Wmds and Links of Saddam And Laden
Or did they not?
Why did we go to War in Iraq?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
FOG HORN
I Dont Doubt it alot of Democrats dont Like her Buts lets be Fair The House Republicans Bohner,Cantor are out to Get her as well
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
So, let’s see, at first, she says she didn’t know a thing, but weeks later, after proof comes out that she did, she changes her mind and now says she was misled. Something smells here, and it’s coming from San Francisco!
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | May 14, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I can’t believe the Republican are attempting to drag down House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
~~
I’m pretty sure she accomplished that all on her own. Let’s take bets on when she steps down.
Posted by: Plumber | May 14, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
How long has Pelosi been pushing to prosecute Bush et al for waterboarding while hiding her own knowledge and complicity? Perhaps the CIA will offer up some evidence.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Angie in PA: Boehner and Cantor probably would like to see her go, but they don’t have to lift a finger to have their desire fulfilled.
Nancy is pretty much doing it all to herself and Steny Hoyer is loving every minute of it. Nancy painted a big bullseye on her backside and her frontside and no Republican needs to waste even one arrow in their quiver.
It is all so amusing.
Posted by: midcal | May 14, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Who lied about the Iraqi War? Who lied about WMD? Who actually did the torture?Who tried to cover up the prisoner abuse in Iraq? WHO WHO WHO!!!! Stay focused……Whether Pelosi knew anything about it is not the problem! We(Bush, Cheney)waterboarded these guys hundreds of time which is torture!
Posted by: anderson n carolina | May 14, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
===The House Republicans Bohner,Cantor are out to Get her as well
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009 2:44:00 PM===
Well let’s hope so.
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Can’t find full transcript of today’s briefing, but I recall her saying that she was told other EIT was being used, and that waterboarding was legal, but hadn’t been used yet. If true, then she admits to knowing about “torture” and doing nothing about the 9/10 techniques that are not waterboarding, but still considered by many to be torture.
Love the update re Graham and Rockefeller…two guys who were also briefed, and are next on the firing line of: “What did they know/when did they know it/WHY DIDN’T THEY DO SOMETHING?”
-Pelosi briefed 9/5/02
-Pushed Intel Appropriations on 9/25/02 even though is specifically funded CIA purchase of prison operation supplies
-Graham briefed 9/27/02
-Rockefeller briefed 2/4/03
In the interim…House/Sen Intel Com had over 24 closed door hearings where they could have voiced concerns to intel people face to face. None did.
They knew. They told us they were misled, try to play that card again, but the facts are there.
Posted by: Scott Malensek | May 14, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Im not calling her anything Im Just asking you Right wingers Why The Bashing you Should be Happy she Went along with Bush and Cheney This Benifits you so why Bash
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 14, 2009 2:20:29 PM
_____________________________________
It’s her fantastic ability to lie that we are bashing, not her – what – perhaps one good decision she’s ever made to help defend this country! This woman cannot be trusted, and the fact that she holds such a high position should scare both the left and right! I don’t care who replaces her (hopefully), the person can’t be as bad as her ….. right?
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | May 14, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
===Who lied about the Iraqi War? ===
No one.
===Who lied about WMD?===
The CIA?
===Who actually did the torture?===
No one.
===Who tried to cover up the prisoner abuse in Iraq?===
No one.
=== WHO WHO WHO!!!! ===
Are you an owl?
===Stay focused……===
On what?
===Whether Pelosi knew anything about it is not the problem!===
Sure it is. It’s the lies that get you every time.
===We(Bush, Cheney)waterboarded these guys hundreds of time which is torture!===
So Obama is protecting torturers? Looks like it’s time to get nasty with Obama. If he can’t uphold the laws of the land, he should be put in the same category with Bush/Cheney. Right?
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Speaker Pelosi’s demand for “justice” in the Interrogation Issue is as if President Clinton had requested an inquiry into Bush 41′s behavior with interns in the Oval Office.
Posted by: Tom Mariner | May 14, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Pelosi knew about “torture” and still pushed to fund it just days later in the House Appropriations Bill.
She’s complicit.
Posted by: Scott Malensek | May 14, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Maybe if she hadn’t pushed the “torture” meme so hard, she wouldn’t be fighting for her political life right now. Kind of hard to stuff that genie back into the bottle, as Pelosi is finding out.
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Axey: According to your logic Pelosi didn’t do anything wrong because nothing happened! No waterboarding, no torture, You can’t have it it both ways.
Posted by: anderson n carolina | May 14, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
From AP:
Pelosi defended her own lack of action on the issue, saying her focus at the time was on wresting congressional control from Republicans so her party could change course.
__________________________________
So she was too busy trying to win the next election to fulfill her duties?
Posted by: Lily | May 14, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Liars always get caught!!
Nancy is no exception to the rule.
Burn Baby Burn!!
Posted by: American Infidel | May 14, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
*** “As a member of the House Intelligence Committe, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
“The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people. The citizens of Iraq have suffered the most for Saddam Hussein’s activities; sadly, those same citizens now stand to suffer more. I have supported efforts to ease the humanitarian situation in Iraq and my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent Iraqi civilians, as well as with the families of U. S. Troops paricipating in the current action.
“I believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community’s requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President, I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and that the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means.” — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Dec 16, 1998 concerning a U.S.-led military strike against Iraq.
*** “Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons.” — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Oct. 10, 2002
*** “Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There’s no question about that.” — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Meet the Press on Nov. 17, 2002.
*** “Yes, I would support the president.” — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Meet the Press on Nov 17, 2002 when asked, by Tim Russert: “But if the president decides to go it unilaterally or with the British and the Turks, without U.N. approval, you would support the president?”
*** “The president led us into the Iraq war on the basis of unproven assertions without evidence. He embraced a radical doctrine of pre-emptive war unprecedented in our history, and he failed to build a true international coalition.” — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Jan 20, 2004. OBVIOUSLY A CASE OF SHORT TERM MEMORY! IT SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN!
Posted by: James Danley | May 14, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Oh dear, Nancy Pelosi lied us into war!
Posted by: Plumber | May 14, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Personally, I support what Pelosi (apparently) did in support of securing information from detainees. Remember, there was a greater sense of urgency after 9/11 than there is today.
It’s the (apparent) lies and hypocrisy that Nancy now so brazenly displays… She cannot be trusted.
If she is asked/forced/coerced to step down from role as Speaker, what is process for installation of her successor? House vote?
Posted by: tjp612 | May 14, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I notice that when Drudge links Tapper or Chris of the Fix from the Washington Post up it turns into a hockey fight.
“Fuels Fire on Interrogations” by Chris Cillizza (Washington Post)
From Chris’s Article …
– Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying to her during a 2002 briefing on the use of so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Pelosi said: “Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am.”
Tapper the Whole Country was mislead.
This story is a distraction from the bread and butter issues that Americas care about right now. The Card Card issue can effect everyone right now, helping many by the end of the summer.
–”The Speaker has had way too many stories on this issue,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) at a press conference moments ago. He added that he has “not one doubt” that interrogations of detainees were conducted “within the law” and that he was opposed to the idea of a truth commission.
Tapper Minority Leader John Boehner added that he has “not one doubt” that interrogations of detainees were conducted “within the law”. and that he was opposed to the idea of a truth commission.
The Truth Commission – Republicans don’t want this and are ready to drag Nancy down to make sure it doesn’t happen?
When Minority Leader John Boehner says “Within the Law” a message to the courts? Majority of Americans have read the how Bushes Lawyers were Manipulating the Constitution so they could say “Within the Law” for times like this.
Even though I disagree with them I respect Bob Brooks and George Will’s opinion. I’m can’t stand pundits like Rush or Bill Kristol. I’m curious what Bob Brooks and George Wills will have to say about this on Sunday, I sure millions of Americans are thinking of Sunday too about now – well the political junkies on both sides anyway. Cokie Roberts,Eleanor Clift and Frank Shields better be at the top of their game this Sunday!
Sometimes the news is so negative coming from the Republican side that I want relief so I’m heading over to Jon Stewart’s site. The comedians role in a Democracy is just as important Tapper! At least we have our own Will Rodgers for our times!
Posted by: Cooday | May 14, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
The Only Liar here is Nancy Pelosi!
She is a Disgrace to our country and
the Speakership.
She should resign as Speaker
immediately.
Geithner the tax cheat is more
believable than Pelosi.
Posted by: reaganfan | May 14, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
How could she remember anything in a drug induced state of unawareness.. slip some truth serum pills into her daily regimen.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 14, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
No literate American any longer believes that Pelosi is anything other than a brazen liar. It’s a true comedy to behold.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | May 14, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Angie in Pa wrote:
“Did the CIA Mislead the Bush Adminstration On Wmds and Links of Saddam And Laden
“Or did they not?
“Why did we go to War in Iraq?”
First go back and read the statements of leading Democrats (including President Clinton) back in 1998. They said that Iraq had WMDs back then. In fact Congress passed the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act which called for regime change.
Now then as for why we invaded Iraq, that’s because Saddam Hussein failed for 12 years to comply with EVERY condition of the 1991 Cease Fire. One of the conditions was for Saddam Hussein to prove that he destroyed the WMDs if he no longer had them. Saddam Hussein wanted his neighbors to believe he still had WMDs so he chose to not comply. In 2002 the U.N. Security Council issued its final ultimatum. Yet once it was clear that they had no intentions of following through on their ultimatum, President Bush issued his own. France, Germany and Russia had convinced Saddam Hussein that the United States would not invade so he called our “bluff.” It was no bluff. When the ultimatum deadline passed, President Bush stayed true to his word. President Bush rescinded the 1991 Cease Fire and resumed the original 1991 Gulf War.
Posted by: James Danley | May 14, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
One thing Nan is not lying about:
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday left the door open to seeking TAX INCREASES to fund President Barack Obama’s ambitious plans for overhauling and expanding US health care.
“We’re putting everything on the table,” Pelosi said when asked whether Obama’s party was prepared to face the potential political consequences of raising taxes to pay for the once-in-a-generation proposal.
=========================
Pay attention, Middle-Class America. Obama and the Dems are quickly running out of “rich” Americans to tax, middle-class is next…
Posted by: tjp612 | May 14, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
I am not a friend of Pelosi by any means….but if she says she was deceived by the Bush Administration get in line….The whole country was deceived and now we are slowly crawling our way out of the massive hole they put us in…While Pelosi’s credibility may be low the Bush administration is below zero…
Posted by: indy_voter | May 14, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
===Axey: According to your logic Pelosi didn’t do anything wrong because nothing happened! No waterboarding, no torture, You can’t have it it both ways.
Posted by: anderson n carolina | May 14, 2009 3:11:52 PM===
According to my logic, she did nothing wrong until she lied about her knowledge and her outrage. You are correct in one regard, though, according to my logic, there was no torture. EITs, yes, which Cheney has willingly admitted to knowing about and approving. Who is the one hiding what they knew? And when they knew it?
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Nancy hasn’t learned that when you are in a hole…Stop digging……Even with her lie that “they said they were thinking about torture and hadn’t done it”, is an admission to being a War Criminal:
“if they knew, or had information which should have enabled them to conclude in the circumstances at the time, that he was committing or about to commit such a breach and if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent or repress the breach.”
(“AP I”) of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949
“Or about to commit”…She is toast…indict, prosecute, sentence (Under US law the max sentence is death)
Posted by: Mary | May 14, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
===but if she says she was deceived by the Bush Administration get in line===
She didn’t say she was deceived by the Bush administration. She said she was misled by CIA briefers. Are they officials that Bush appointed? Or are they career agency people that are still there? I really don’t know the answer to that, but if it is the latter, she is going to regret this battle.
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
We all know the CIA would NEVER lie, right? So if anyone lied, it MUST be Pelosi.
By the way, any of you Limbaugh-Lovers interested in purchasing some Brooklyn Bridge stock?
Posted by: Waterboard All Conservatives | May 14, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
The one thing that Jake should ask Pelosi is why she didn’t have a congressional fit when she learned that the CIA had lied to her about using EITs? Someone who was in her position would have the power to call people onto the carpet for misleading her in 2002, which, if we are to believe her story today, is what they did. If I were in Jake’s position, I’d call her out on this.
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Release all the memos, not just the ones that make the Bush administration look bad. We know they were bad we don’t need anymore proof. If Nancy says she was lied to lets see the proof.
Posted by: Ken | May 14, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
===We all know the CIA would NEVER lie, right? So if anyone lied, it MUST be Pelosi.===
You left something out there…we all kow the CIA would NEVER lie about a democrat, right? Cause you see, I’ve claimed the CIA were liars in the past, and I’ll claim it again in the future, I’m sure. But not this time. Pelosi is lying.
Posted by: Axey | May 14, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Nancy Pelosi is execrably disingenuous.
Posted by: drjohn | May 14, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
“By the way, any of you Limbaugh-Lovers interested in purchasing some Brooklyn Bridge stock?”
Will you accept Chrysler stock in exchange?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 14, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
I meant Conservatives.
Posted by: reaganfan | May 14, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
“By the way, any of you Limbaugh-Lovers interested in purchasing some Brooklyn Bridge stock?”
Trying to get rid of your stock in the bridge, huh? Try posting the offer at Democrat Underground or daily Kos.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Detainees were tortured not to protect the US, but to find excuses to justify the invasion of Iraq is what is coming out in the news now. This came out in the Senate Armed Services Committee’s review into detainee abuse. You jokers think for one second the CIA wouldn’t mislead members of Congress? The entire country got snookered at an expense that cannot be repaid.
Posted by: Ranger | May 14, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“Detainees were tortured not to protect the US, but to find excuses to justify the invasion of Iraq”
What is the evidence?
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
I don’t trust any politician because they have lost touch with reality. Something just does not seem right when two Senators also question the CIA’s account.
Sen. Bob Graham said that when he asked the CIA when he had been briefed on the program, the CIA gave him the dates of four briefings, two in April 2002 and two in September 2002, when they claimed they had briefed him about the program. But after Graham consulted his own records, he pointed out that on two of those dates, he had not attended any briefing. After Graham pointed this out to the CIA, they conceded their own dates were incorrect.
Graham then went on to repeat his claim that he had no recollection of being told about waterboarding Zubaydah or anything else about extreme interrogation.
In addition to repeating his earlier assertion that he would have remembered something that dramatic, Graham contextualized the briefing the CIA gave him–which occurred right in the middle of Graham’s complaints about the inaccuracy of the Iraq NIE
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), who was chairman of the intelligence committee in 2002, is the latest Democrat to seriously question the accuracy of the CIA memo detailing Congressional briefings on waterboarding and enhanced interrogations.
The agency has said it stands behind the document, but CIA director Leon Panetta said he couldn’t vouch for the absolute accuracy of the document in a cover letter released to reporters.
Posted by: rickyt1234 | May 14, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
That was a hilarious press conference. It had everything going for it. Pancake makeup- check, stuttering denials- check, visible fear in the eyes when facing questions-check, incomprehensible parsing of words and explanations-check. This should be studied by students as an example of “politician” in civics class.
Posted by: Al | May 14, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
‘Good grief!
It’s one nightmare after another since 1-20-09.
If this chaos makes us safer I would like to know how.’ -millie | May 14, 2009 2:11:03 PM
It’s funny to note though that it’s the 20% on the right sowing the chaos and discord. With Cheney taunting terrorists to attack again, kooks searching for Obama’s ‘real’ birth certificate, Republicans disagreeing for the sake of disagreement, Republican governors threatening to leave the union, Limbaugh and his ilk hoping the president (ergo the country) fails, and the whole crowd making tortured arguments in order to fulfill their own prophecies of doom, it’s not surprising that you can’t see how we’re as safe or safer than under the previous admin because you’re one of those hoping for failure; you want us to fail so you can be right. Real patriotic, my friends.
Posted by: You won't be heard because you can't be trusted | May 14, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Well Now, If the CIA lied (which I doubt) then that would have been George Tenet. George Tenet is a ‘Billy bob Clintonian’ appointment that George Bush kept in office (showing that he was not the Partisan that the Dems & the Media made him out to be – showing their lack of objectivity and willingness to lie).
George Tenet was as respected as much by the Dems as by Republicans. Is she calling Tenet a liar !!???
Also, it was Tenet who made the “Slam Dunk” comment about Iraq having Nuclear Weapons. Most people think that it was Bush who made the Comment, partly because the media always kept it a bit confusing for that very purpose (to blame Bush as much as possible). The media was perfectly content to only tell the full truth ‘Occasionally’ and let the public think it was Bush (many people are still confused and don’t know the truth on this).
Posted by: Da Truth | May 14, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Da Truth—”If the CIA lied (which I doubt)”…you’re kidding right? …right?
Posted by: Paul Wall | May 14, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
“you want us to fail so you can be right’
So, why did the left so fervently want Bush to fail for all those year?
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
What is the evidence?
Posted by: Sigmonde
I said it is all coming out now and was in the Senate Armed Services Report. I first read about it in relation to our torturing Zubaydah. I read about it in a UK paper this morning with quotes from CIA personnel. Now others are talking about it.
This is from tonight -
“Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse was questioned on the issue today in two TV interviews. Speaking to CNN, Whitehouse allowed: “I have heard that to be true.” To MSNBC, he noted that there was additional evidence of this in the Senate Armed Services committee report, and from Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell. “This thing is just getting deeper and deeper,” said Whitehouse, noting that if it were true, it would significantly bolster the case for prosecutions.” (Roth)
Posted by: Ranger | May 14, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
I think Obama needs to put as much distance between himself and Nancy Pelosi. She is a cancer to the democratic party and needs to be pushed aside before she does anymore damage. I hope Obama is able to stand up to her and show leadership. Time will tell.
Posted by: Jen | May 14, 2009, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
People like Nancy Pelosi give politicians a bad name. I’m a dem but won’t even try to stick up for her.
Posted by: SteveinWI | May 14, 2009, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
That would be THE Jay Rockefeller? The only person to say Sadam already had nukes. Yes he said that in a Senate floor speech.
BUT as we all can see, Pelosi is not a very good LIAR.
She should resign ….
Posted by: bill-tb | May 14, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
“Congress and the American people now know that contrary opinions within the Executive Branch concluded that these interrogation techniques were not legal. However, those opinions were not provided to Congress.”
I have to illumninate this a little more. There are various frontiers in nature where man must define the order. The law, medicine, industry. These areas, among others, must be constantly maintained and adjusted, because nature is constantly encroaching and changing. To say that leaders in congress were not provided the correct legal opinion is to say that a physician was not provided a correct course of action from a textbook. Alarming to me that now congress believes, while they are not suited to maintain the limits of law on their own, yet they are suited to frame the limits of medicine?
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | May 14, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Sigmonde: Re: 5:49:19 post. Check out Col. Lawrence Wilkerson and Charles Duelfer stories today. Hardly flaming liberals. Both, say EIT’s were either used or proposed, before the OLC memos, as ways of getting intel on a link between Sadamm and Al Quaeda. Time to put everyone under oath before appropriate commissions and/or committees and and get to the truth. The Speaker should go first. Followed immediately by Bush and Cheney.
Posted by: B. Bear | May 14, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
“Check out Col. Lawrence Wilkerson and Charles Duelfer stories today.”
Duelfer doesn’t cite Cheney’s office, but says two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell that the suggestion to waterboard came from the Office of Vice President Cheney.
Duelfer says no waterboarding occurred. So, this looks like more smoke and mirrors to me and I will wait for Cheney to respond before jumping to any conclusions. You should too.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
I’m glad the CIA and the Bush administration explored all avenues to find and fight the asymetric enemy that dropped our towers, embassies, ships and thousands of American lives.
Democrats couldn’t bring Bush down by election, by Blood for Oil, by Bush Lied, Bush tortured, and now Bush Wanted Iraq Justification – campaigns. This is all going to come back and haunt the Democrats. You will see.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Pelosi should resign before they have to quarantine the whole House.
Posted by: R. Pfau | May 14, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
“Duelfer says no waterboarding occurred. So, this looks like more smoke and mirrors to me and I will wait for Cheney to respond before jumping to any conclusions. You should too.”
Cheney is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times.
Posted by: Ranger | May 14, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
“Duelfer says no waterboarding occurred. So, this looks like more smoke and mirrors to me and I will wait for Cheney to respond before jumping to any conclusions. You should too.”
Cheney is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times.
Posted by: Ranger | May 14, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
“Cheney is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times.”
The comment is about Duelfer and the Iraqi
Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi who he interrogated.
You should pay better attention to the context of the issue at hand so you will be able to give better responses.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
A body language expert would have a field day looking at Nancy Pelosi at her presser today.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
“You should pay better attention to the context of the issue at hand so you will be able to give better responses.”
Now that is really funny considering I am the one that started this thread of conversation and you are the one that asked for evidence and you want me to pay “better attention”?
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*Two U.S. intelligence officers confirm that Vice President Cheney’s office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection.
*The former chief of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, in charge of interrogations, tells The Daily Beast that he considered the request reprehensible.
Once again, Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times for this false information and where in the world did you get al-Dulaymi was not?
Posted by: Ranger | May 14, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
“Once again, Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times for this false information and where in the world did you get al-Dulaymi was not?”
Here’s some helpful info for you from Salon. The 83 waterboardings of Zabudayah is a different subject.
Salon: “In April 2003, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi official named Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi, who had served in Saddam’s secret police, the Mukhabarat. Those unnamed officials said that upon learning of Dulaymi’s capture, the vice-president’s office proposed that CIA agents in Baghdad commence waterboarding him, in order to elicit information about a link between al-Qaida and Saddam.
Evidently that suggestion was not enforced by Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Study Group who controlled Dulaymi’s interrogation.
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Ranger
Just in case you have a poor memory or are high, here is your comment I am referring to:
“Detainees were tortured not to protect the US, but to find excuses to justify the invasion of Iraq is what is coming out in the news now. This came out in the Senate Armed Services Committee’s review into detainee abuse.”
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 14, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Dubya and Cheney are the ones responsible for torture. Like all other Republicans they are criminals. I know the media would like to make it Pelosi’s fault, but it’s not. But she could fix this by supporting the prosecution of Dubya and Cheney.
Posted by: stoptorture | May 14, 2009, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Sigmonde – BOTH Zubaydah AND al-Dulaymi were tortured at the direction of senior WH officials in a desperate attempt to establish and justify our invasion of Iraq.
No, they were not in the same room together. Good night.
Posted by: Ranger | May 15, 2009, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Why is Ms Pelosi under fire,she was not the president nor vice president.The GOP is trying to divert attention from themselves.I want to know why BUSH<CHENEY<ROVE and the rest of the informed republicans are not on trial for their crimes.The American people were lied to what makes you think they did not lie to congress. It will be very interesting to hear what Colin Powell has to say about this matter.
Posted by: cairo131 | May 15, 2009, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Richard Shelby is now saying something very similar to Pelosi:
When asked whether Shelby was informed that waterboardbing was being used, Graffeo responded: “Waterboarding was one of the EITs the CIA briefed Sen. Shelby on.”
First, note that the waterboarding response does not indicate whether Shelby was told it was being USED.
Shelby was briefed on the “existence of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” [emphasis added] and was informed of the “need for these techniques and the value of the information being obtained from terrorists during questioning.” It’s unclear to me whether this means Shelby was told the techniques were actually being used.
Intelligence documents released last week (see here, via Greg Sargent) characterize the briefing with Shelby and Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) this way:
“Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of the particular EITs that had been employed.”
This characterization is identical to how the CIA characterized the separate briefing with Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.)
Graham has said that he does not “have any recollection of being briefed on waterboarding or other forms of extraordinary interrogation techniques, or Abu Zubaydah being subjected to them.”
Posted by: yes sir | May 15, 2009, 1:09 am 1:09 am
cario131..Don’t deflect, this involved more than just the GOP..Pelosi was more than willing to stand by and see people prosecuted for the very thing she, if proven, was aware of and did not protest too in the name of saving herself and her career..Can’t get more cowardly than that in my opinion..
Posted by: Parallax View | May 15, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am
So you right-wingers are upset that Pelosi might have known about the crimes of the Bush administration?
I guess we can expect your full support in prosecuting them all for crimes against humanity
Posted by: Michael | May 15, 2009, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Scariest thing in the world is that this woman is third in line for the most powerful job in the world. Get her out, please.
Posted by: Babs | May 16, 2009, 1:56 am 1:56 am
By the way, all you Obama fans, it wasn’t the Republicans who put Madame Speaker on the spot here, it was the press. Finally they’re starting to ask the hard questions and not back down, and you’re blaming the Republicans? HA! HA!
Posted by: Babs | May 16, 2009, 2:01 am 2:01 am