The Note, 5/12/2009: Care to Elaborate — Healthcare push long on partnerships, short on policies
By RICK KLEIN Can the game have really changed if we’re still playing the same game? The Obama White House has again shown it knows how to make a splash — even though we’re not sure yet exactly what’s in the pool at this watershed. (What’s better — a budget with no numbers, or a healthcare plan with no plans?) So far, President Obama has found perceptions to be easier to manage than realities. You want fiscal discipline? The deficit just grew by more than those proposed budget savings. Economic recovery? Jobs are already being created by the stimulus — still not nearly as fast as they’re being lost, mind you. Healthcare reform? We’ll always have that photo-op . . . (And if Team Obama really had much more than that right now, might we be getting it?) “If history is a guide, their commitments may not produce the promised savings,” Robert Pear writes in The New York Times. “Still, the event was significant. There was something in it for Mr. Obama, and something for the industry — though not necessarily the same thing. Their interests overlap but do not coincide.” The overwhelming consensus is that healthcare will get done this year. But we’re a longer way away from that than these White House meetings suggest. The healthcare plan still needs an agreement on how to pay for it — plus consensus on a “public” option. If you know how to read Washington language, you should find about five phrases in the previous sentence that speak to the measure’s obstacles. (And six syllables wait at the end of the maze: reconciliation.) “The industry’s promises fell well short of the White House’s expansive claims,” Ceci Connolly and David Hilzenrath write in The Washington Post. “Yesterday’s announcement, despite the fanfare, shed little light on precisely how the industry and government might achieve $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.” Said Alan Sager, a professor of health policy at Boston University: “An unrivaled set of abstractions and posturing.” Surely there will be none of that Tuesday: A second straight day of White House focus on healthcare, this time with an 11:30 am ET roundtable with business leaders on how to cut health costs. Your optimistic tone: “People are really demanding a chance. . . . They want to be part of that change,” Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Robin Roberts on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Tuesday. “Yesterday was really a breakthrough moment.” “[Obama] told healthcare players at the meeting, ‘You’ve made a commitment. We expect you to keep it,’ ” ABC’s Jake Tapper and Huma Khan report. “The president has said before that he wants to see healthcare reform enacted and signed into law by the end of 2009, but [Press Secretary Robert] Gibbs would not expand today on whether the president has told Congress when he wants a bill.” As for funding: “Preliminary skirmishes over clamping down on offshore corporate tax havens, taxing employee benefits and winning discounts on drug prices may dictate the fate of the president’s plan to broaden U.S. health-insurance coverage and cut costs,” Bloomberg’s Brian Faler writes. “The odds of winning so many funding fights are so daunting that an odd-couple coalition of more than two dozen interest groups, including the pro-business U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the AFL-CIO union federation and the AARP retirees’ lobby, wants lawmakers to drop Obama’s deficit-neutral goal as a potential deal-killer.” These are called “constituency groups” for a reason: “Each interest group has its own internal dynamics. The leadership may pull in one direction while the members pull in another. At the same time, elements within either the leadership or rank-and-file may argue among themselves,” Jonathan Cohn writes for The New Republic. He would never! “Some Republicans who resist Obama’s talk of creating a public alternative to private insurance as part of a national health care overhaul suggested that the president was trying to use the new private-sector pledge to create the impression of funding in the absence of a real revenue stream,” McClatchy’s Margaret Talev and Tony Pugh report. Remember, it’s legislation: “Forty-five House Democrats in the party’s moderate-to-conservative wing have protested the secretive process by which party leaders in their chamber are developing legislation to remake the health care system,” Pear writes in the Times. “The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were ‘increasingly troubled’ by their exclusion from the bill-writing process.” From the annals of cooperation and comity: Health Care for America Now is up Tuesday with a new ad in support of a public option. You know the senators who matter since we know the states where the ads will run: Pennsylvania, Nebraska, Oregon, Arkansas, Indiana, and Delaware. The Trojan horse concern: “Not everyone considers this the ‘game-changer’ Obama has suggested. In fact, some health reform advocates fear it might have the opposite effect, allowing the companies to stay at the table long enough to kill a government-run health insurance plan,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown reports. What all that fiscal discipline (millions plus billions) has meant: “The White House on Monday projected 2009 and 2010 federal budget deficits far higher than it forecast just two and a half months ago, even as it continued to defy most experts and predict that the economy is headed for a strong comeback starting late this year,” McClatchy’s David Lightman writes. “Economists scoffed at the latest administration predictions.” “The government will have to borrow nearly 50 cents for every dollar it spends this year, exploding the record federal deficit past $1.8 trillion under new White House estimates,” the AP’s Andrew Taylor writes. Can’t knock that search for savings — can you? “The Obama administration said Monday that it expected even wider deficits this year and next than previously forecast, and Congress could undermine the administration’s push to narrow the gap by slashing the revenue generated by the president’s plan to curb greenhouse gases,” Jonathan Weisman writes in The Wall Street Journal. “White House economists didn’t revise their expectation that the economy would be growing by 3.5% by the end of this year, despite the fact that some private economists have been lowering their forecasts.” Phrasemakers to the rescue: “If you call it ‘clean energy dividend’ . . . almost anything other than ‘cap and trade,’ you’ll get people responding a lot more favorably,” said Robert Perkowitz, president of ecoAmerica, who met with the White House Council on Environmental Quality Monday, Weisman reports. Wait — there’s a BIGGER war with business? “Major corporations are arming for a brawl over overseas tax breaks that could be the year’s biggest clash between business and the White House,” Mike Allen and Victoria McGrane write for Politico. “The tax fight pits Big Business against a popular president — at a time when the American public is still seething with anger over Wall Street bailouts, unemployment and the housing meltdown.” “The more the business community sees of the Obama administration’s tax plans, the less it likes,” CQ’s Joseph J. Schatz writes. We always have the stimulus: “The White House Council of Economic Advisers issued a report today predicting that the stimulus package will save or create 1.5 million jobs by the end of this year. That’s in line with previous White House estimates,” per ABC News. “But there’s a big caveat: Because there is no uniform, reliable reporting formula for states and agencies to use to calculate real jobs saved and created, there is no way to fact-check the projections.” Don’t miss this nugget: “Actual reports of jobs created, while required by Congress for entities receiving stimulus funds, will provide ‘some independent documentation of jobs created or retained by the Act’ — but won’t be the way the White House measures progress, according to the report.” It’s still SAVING jobs, right? “Eleven weeks after Congress settled on a stimulus package that provided $135 billion to limit layoffs in state governments, many states are finding that the funds are not enough and are moving to lay off thousands of public employees,” Alec MacGillis writes in The Washington Post. There’s still an economy to save — unless it’s already saved: “The insider consensus seems to be that the worst of the hard times is behind us and that the economy is back on track. Or at least on track to be back on track,” Arianna Huffington writes. “It’s time to stop pretending that the Wall Street economy is the same as the real economy. The Wall Street economy may be showing signs of life — thanks to the hundreds of billions we have poured into it — but the real economy isn’t.” Savvy play of the day: Rush Limbaugh chose not to respond to Wanda Sykes — at least not directly. “How can they be running a response when I didn’t respond? . . . Well, there isn’t going to be a response,” El Rushbo said, per The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank. Milbank: “This means one of two highly unlikely things had to be true: Limbaugh really was the 20th hijacker, or he was taking the high road.” Gibbs’ response, per ABC’s Jake Tapper: “A lot of topics are better left for serious reflection rather than comedy. I don’t think there’s any doubt that 9/11 is a part of that.” Looking abroad: “In ousting his top commander in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates agreed Monday with growing criticism in military circles that the U.S. war effort has been suffering from stale ideas and inadequate innovation,” Julian E. Barnes writes in the Chicago Tribune. “A critical failure of Army Gen. David D. McKiernan, replaced as the commander in charge of U.S. and NATO forces, was the lack of bold, new operational plans and a reluctance to adapt successful strategies from Iraq, according to officers and Defense officials.” Waiting for you, Madame Speaker: “For Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), it’s a new week of old questions: What did she know about harsh Bush administration interrogation techniques, and when did she know it?” Roll Call’s Tory Newmyer and Steven T. Dennis report. “Usually a master of message discipline, Pelosi has been thrown off balance by a mounting firestorm over whether she or her staff learned six years ago that intelligence officials were using extreme tactics such as waterboarding.” What we’ll hear from her? “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi learned in early 2003 that the Bush administration was waterboarding terror detainees but didn’t protest directly out of respect for ‘appropriate’ legislative channels, a person familiar with the situation said Monday,” Politico’s Glenn Thrush and John Bresnahan report. “Casting aside their president’s misgivings, Democrats are racing into hearings to criticize newly released Bush administration memos justifying harsh terrorism interrogations,” the AP’s Larry Margasak reports. “So far, however, the biggest embarrassment has engulfed a Democrat, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. As Pelosi keeps trying to clarify when she initially learned of the interrogation techniques, a Senate Judiciary subcommittee scheduled a hearing Wednesday that was billed as the ‘first public hearing on torture memos since their release.’ ” And if former vice president Dick Cheney is so sure that memos show waterboarding worked: “The Obama administration ought to call Cheney’s bluff, if it is that, and release the memos. If even a stopped clock is right twice a day, this could be Cheney’s time,” Richard Cohen writes in his Washington Post column. Senate announcement of the day: Gov. Charlie Crist, R-Fla., jumps in on Tuesday: “Crist’s entry into the race is a recruiting coup for the National Republican Senatorial Committee,” ABC’s Teddy Davis reports. “Although national Republicans have been lobbying the Florida governor to get into the race, he will not have a free ride in the primary.” Everyone’s running for something in the Sunshine State: “Crist’s anticipated announcement this morning that he’s running for the U.S. Senate, rather than re-election as governor, will trigger one of the most chaotic and wide open election seasons ever in Florida,” Beth Reinhard and Adam C. Smith write in the St. Petersburg Times. That means a fan of the stimulus package is among the most prominent Republican candidates on the 2010 slate. . . . “Crist is, without question, the star of the Republican recruiting efforts to date — a well known and popular chief executive who also happens to be running in one of the largest and most politically competitive states in the country,” Washingtonpost.com’s Chris Cillizza writes. “He is also someone with unabashed interest in playing at the national level.” Sorry, Chuck Schumer: “Oh, I am sure she will face a Democratic primary,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said of Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Monday. (Though Maloney herself hasn’t added her name to the growing list — at least not yet.) Checking in (or out) — more ominous signs on card-check: “Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) indicated last week she does not favor the so-called ‘binding arbitration’ part of the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) as currently written,” The Hill’s Michael O’Brien reports. “Lincoln joins two other centrist Democrats in opposition to the second key component of EFCA favored by organized labor, making it difficult for a final compromise of the bill including the provision to overcome a Senate filibuster.” Ready — over on the left — to hear about this one? “Four months in, the Obama administration does seem to have a plausible strategy for turning the ‘social issues’ to liberalism’s advantage. The outline is simple: Engage on abortion, and punt on gay rights,” Ross Douthat writes in The New York Times. And over on the right — Mike Huckabee really, really doesn’t like pizza parties: “It’s hard to keep from laughing out loud when people living in the bubble of the Beltway suddenly wake up one day and think they ought to have a listening tour; even funnier when their first earful expedition takes them all the way to the suburbs of Washington, D.C.,” Huckabee writes at FoxNews.com. The Kicker: “Thanks for salvaging my bracket and vindicating me before the entire nation.” — President Obama, meeting the UNC Tar Heels for a second time. “On Tuesday, before Obama is inaugurated, I’m invited to the White House for a birthday lunch by the president, and I’m toasted. Twelve weeks later, I am public enemy number one.” — Rush Limbaugh, in self-pity/self-congratulatory mode. Today on “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s daily political Webcast: Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean, on healthcare reform; and GOP strategist Kevin Madden. Noon ET. 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Posted by: matt | May 12, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Is everyone so math-poor they don’t see there’s no “saving $2T” in any of this. The industry promised the growth rate of health care costs would be reduced from 6.2% to 4.7% in a decade. That exceeds our GDP growth rate, so we’ll be paying at least the current 18.3% of GDP to health in a decade. Where’s the “savings”? No other country pays more than 10% of GDP. We need to move toward that to compete globally. We now pay 50% more than ANY other country for the SAME prescriptions. We now pay 25% of healthcare costs to paperwork compared to 3% in other countries. Start REDUCING right there and that may get the ball rolling. Get rid of loopholes when patents expire that allow manufacturers to keep gouging patients for meds. Require only a few, identical-between companies, specifically written insurance policies and have one national “network” agreement instead of thousands of local ones.
Posted by: The_Mick | May 12, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Is it just coincidence that Gen. Mckiernan was abruptly replaced after this administration came under scrutiny concerning the Afghanistan surge troops being sent into harm’s way without being outfitted with adequate arms and munitions?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
According to Sanjay Gupta the reform that is anticipated to lower healthcare costs includes decreasing the tests and services rendered by healthcare providers. This amounts to lowering the quality of healthcare provided. The question arises as to why unnecessary tests are being conducted. Doesn’t it seem logical that healthcare providers are conducting unnecessary tests for profit? If everyone is insured won’t these tests continue and at an increased volume? Or could it be that the tests are being done to hedge against lawsuits? Wouldn’t tort reform accomplish even more to benefit cost reduction than loss of services would accomplish? Then the question arises, would a body of lawmakers composed of lawyers and a president who is a lawyer have the heart to cut off the money pipeline to their associates assured by malpractice and malfeasance lawsuits?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
The stimulus was too small. It should have been more than trillion dollars. Moreover, it should have been allocated in a better fashion.
Posted by: Micheline | May 12, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
This administration projects a $2 trillion savings over the next ten years as the result of healthcare reform. Won’t more people receive more medical attention which will doubtless cost more? And what good is preventative medicine if the primary healthcare risk our nation faces is overall obesity?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Of course the healthcare providers have come to the table to participate in reform talks. They stand to gain millions of new clientele. They really don’t care if their premiums come from the insured’s out of pocket money or the employer’s contributions or the government. No matter what the source they get richer as part of the deal, as if the nation’s largest and most profitable industry needs more money.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Watch out soon the government will announce we can’t afford Social Security and Medicare any more. While the government will continue to pay farmers billions not to grow food, hundreds of billions every year for foreign aide to those who hate us, and continue to support 20+ million illegal immigrants with free food, free housing, free transportation, free medical, free financial assistance, and a free education. All figures and signs show unemployment continues to climb every month, retail sales have crashed, tax revenues to all levels of government have crashed. Jobs are continuing to be outsourced to other countries. The illegal immigrants continue to flow across our still open borders. Both personal and business bankruptcies continue to climb. The private sector jobs losses are escalating and Obama’s 800 billion dollar stimulus package was spent beefing up city, state, and federal government agencies with no assistance, plan, or attention given to job losses in the private tax paying sector of our economy. I can go on with more. I smell a tax revolt brewing, I’ve had enough.
Posted by: Bob Retired | May 12, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am
So now this administration wants to attack all private business by collecting more taxes so the government can spend more of the profits those businesses earned. Didn’t the government learn anything from the financial system bailouts? Wall street is still seething over the threat of government regulation and salary caps. Isn’t economic recovery dependent on the prosperity of private businesses? Isn’t the unemployment problem dependent on the creation of new jobs by the private sector? Won’t happen without profit to be allocated for increased operations. What has happened to common sense?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Oh, those evil employers. How dare they turn a profit and stay in business and thereby provide private sector jobs that produce income for the government and money for employees to spend on goods and services or to invest or save as they please? Never mind all that. The government will provide. But where oh where will the money to provide come from?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Compare where we are today on healthcare vs where we were during the last eight years. Things are moving. Can you imagine a Republican President getting the heathcare industry to lower their prices? Its progress, finally progress, and I’m happy with Obama’s approach. He’s moving with deliberate speed, building consensus, I think his approach is GREAT.
Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 12, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
You wanted it all, now expect to pay for it all.
Posted by: vnvet69 | May 12, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
One more thing. The cost of gas is rising not because of more consumption, not because of increases in the cost of crude oil, but because of consumer confidence in economic recovery. In other worrds we’re getting raped by the oil companies.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Amy B in Maine; Don’t be nieve. They can always turn around and increase their rates as long as they increase their rates for everyone.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
What a scam? Nobody profits from this plan (really not a plan but just some words) except insurance companies, lawyers, and Obama (and his cronys).
It is a win-win.
Insurance companies still get to gouge and make people/companies pay them for health insurance. Look for it to become mandatory (like with auto insurance) in the future also.
Lawyers still get to chase ambulances and sue good doctors, hospitals, charities, and nurses.
And Obama gets to have his Orwellian centralized database containing ALL of your health records and history (incl prescriptions, alcohol/drug problems, mental health, health issues, sexual history, diseases you’ve had, etc.) What great information for political campaigns and/or blackmail of opponents!
Posted by: Ed | May 12, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The reason gas prices are rising is because they rise every year around this time. Of course, we are get raped and going to get raped even more by the oil companies if we let it happen. Consumption is the key. As prices rise we must cut back. It drives big oil nuts because it looks like the downturn in consumption does not recover to the same preexisting levels which existed before the oil companies started playing their price increas games. Just don’t drive when it really isn’t necessary.
Posted by: Chuck | May 12, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Compare where we were with where we are?
Exactly what has changed? Rhetoric, thats all.
Of couse we do have the incredibly stupid idea of taxing smokers to pay for the child healthcare program, SCHIP.
Smokers that buy the way put a huge burden on the healthcare system later in life. The whole idea of so many of these healthcare system proposals is to maximize preventive care, yet ff we are indeed successful in getting the number of smokers to fall, the incoming money to fund SCHIP goes down. Yeah, This is exactly the deep logical kind of thinking we need to move forward!
This is the Dems “idea” of the direction we need to go in to provide “universal” healthcare! And you believe this is better than where were.
Posted by: Mike_C | May 12, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
There is no plan. The plan is to have ‘volunteers’ provide primary and secondary care. This has been the plan and HHS is working with CNCS. The new legislation for all this is in his ‘volunteer’ and care provider changes that allow less trained and lower paid ‘volunteers’ to provide primary and secondary care.
Posted by: FS | May 12, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
“They can always turn around and increase their rates as long as they increase their rates for everyone.”
Why, monroeliveson, you sound like a socialist! Why do conservatives hate free enterprise?
Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 12, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
I am really impressed. With one exception, all the comments so far are lucid, on point, and thought-provoking. They have enlightened me about issues I had not considered before surrounding healthcare reform – which every president has tried and failed to do like Clinton for 8 years, Amy).
To mmonroe: totally agree on McKiernan’s removal. Afghanistan will be Obama’s Iraq – increased funding, interference in military decisions, and sending more troops into harm’s way. The Taliban have shown themselves to be a formidible opponent. Rhetoric is easy…reality bites.
Posted by: older&wiser | May 12, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Hey older&wiser
Nice revision of history – if you still had your faculties you’d recall the Clintons’ healthcare initiative was stopped in Congress because they didn’t do exactly what Obama is attempting: building consensus. Or, do you want a big fight in Congress so Obama can go down in flames?
Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 12, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
first we had a $1.00 tax on cigarettes now it will be tax on soda, what tax will we see next??????? But that’s ok 95% of the people will receive a tax reduction.
Posted by: Lizzie | May 12, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Amy; Healthcare insurance may seem like a wonderful thing to those who don’t have it. The reality is by the time premiums are paid, deductibles are met, exclusions are considered, co-payments are paid, etc. the cost of medical care is increased with an insuror in the picture. Insurance companies operate for profit. There’s nothing wrong with profit as long as the profit is being made on a useful product. Problem is the insurance industry has no product. They’ve just convinced us through doom and gloom that we must be insured. Admittedly, in the case of need for major medical attention healthcare, insurance can be a blessing, but in reality how often does major medical care come into play as we pay month after month for coverage? Once again, how useful is having insurance if you can’t afford to pay the co-payments for services and office visit charges? This administration is deceitful in that respect. Someone will pay those charges. If not the patient then everyone else who pays taxes will pay. Universal healthcare will be a burden to those who work and produce. I should not have to bear the burden of supporting people who failed to educate themselves or have limited possibilities because they are felons or illegal immigrants or are just too lazy to work and prefer a life of impoverished leisure over trying to improve their stead in life. Failures should have to live with their failure. It’s called personal accountability.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Amy B Maine; I can’t speak for older & wiser but for myself I expect a big fight in congress and if it’s over bad policy, I hope Obama goes down in flames. I would prefer he went down in flames rather than our country. Older and wiser seems to be just that.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 12, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
President Obama do it right! Cut out the middleman. A sick person shouldn’t have to worry about lining a stockholders pocket. No more 10 thousand dollar a day ICUs or 75 thousand dollar prosthetic limbs.
Posted by: rightbehind | May 12, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
“Universal healthcare will be a burden to those who work and produce” – Actually its the opposite. Overall health costs for everyone rise when the insured have to go to emergency rooms for relatively minor health problems and folks w/o coverage have to put off treating minor illnesses until they become major. Many simple medical conditions become complex and expensive to treat because folks dont have good preventative care that a primary care physician can provide. I have worked in the medical field for ten years and have seem it happen over and over. Universal coverage can bring costs down for everyone.
Posted by: Mark from Atlanta | May 12, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
He needs to stop the medical system from looting the country. No more 10 thousand dollar a day ICUs or 75 thousand dollar prosthetic limbs. Medicare is being robbed!
Posted by: rightbehind | May 12, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
This is the bottomline, I’m a dual citizen of Canada and USA, I’ve never understand why the US healthcare system is provided by the employer and run by private health insurance. God forbid, by if any serious condition happens to me, I’ll go back to Canada to get treated, absolutely Zero chance for me to go Bankrupt, and we contribute around 33% of our paycheck to the govt. With that we get peace of mind when we get sick. The USA needs to change to Single Payer Universal System and put the private insurance out of business. Believe me, that’s the only way to save the healthcare here in USA.
Posted by: TimothyLeigh | May 12, 2009, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Tens of Millions of middle class Amrericans experience this:
1 Got serious illness
2 Lose job
3 Lose insurance
4 Becomes un-insurable
5 Use 401K and personal savings to pay medical bills
6 Sell house to pay bills
7 Work 25 yrs just to pay medical bills.
Countries with Universal Healthcare DON’T and I repeat DON’T have this problem.
Posted by: MiriamB | May 12, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
President Obama …… Don’t Trust the same people who has gotten rich by grinding on the backs of the American people. I remember that Healthcare was affordable 20 years ago. I had a family plan that was 140.00 per month. Now, I pay 280.00 for single, and it doesn’t cover most of my medical needs. I was still sent bills that drove me to “bad credit” and bankrupsty that the insurance company didn’t pay. I am now 57 years old and without Healthcare. DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE……UNIVERSAL CARE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I WILL BE WILLING TO PAY INTO A SYSTEM THAT GARANTEES THAT I WILL BE INSURED FOR ANY ILLNESS I MAY NEED TO SEE A DOCTOR TO LIVE!
Posted by: tychisum | May 12, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
SINGLE PAYERS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL AMERICANS.
Posted by: tychisum | May 12, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
We have already trusted our Government with our Tactical Nuclear Weapons ( all 18000 of them) and more…….why can’t we trust the govt with our health Care? All US citizens need single payer Universal Care coverge. From the day one is born to the day we meet our Creator!
Posted by: Nathan | May 12, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
I don’t trust our government with running ANYTHING – sure, the government has taken away many of our freedoms, they mandate what we can eat – what we can and cannot do – we have no choice anymore because our government thinks we are too stupid to make choices for ourselves – and apparently no one cares because I don’t see anyone rising up and speaking out.
Trust this — what ever the government plans to do will only benefit THEM. Remember this too — our Social Security funds are being tapped by our congressmen to which allows them to get free health care, free airline ticket to overseas vacations, free chauffer service for out congressmen to be delivered to posh parties, free cars to drive, and many other perks we don’t even know about — they don’t want to lose that lifestyle so no matter what the plan is, it will continue to support these deadbeats wh don’t put money into Social Security but happlily take from ours !
Still want to trust our government ? I don’t think so.
Posted by: Elle | May 13, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Another thing — look to your e-mail for a request from Obama’s fan club. They are asking us to vote in support of Obam’s great health plan — but do they outline the plan so we can see what we are supposed to vote “yes” for ??
Not a chance !
I for one will never vote one way or the other until I see the whole package in front of me – I hope everyone does what I did — I demanded to see this “great plan” he is pushing and told sender of the e-mail ( aka his fan club) that I won’t do anything until I know what it is.
Posted by: Elle | May 13, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Elle, I could not agree with you more. The Goverment set up Social Security (PAID by the working people)for the benefit of the working people when they would be to old to work. Medicare & Medicade was set up by the Goverment(PAID by the working people)so the working people would have Health Care when they retired. Somewhere along the line the Social Security built up to much money and our “Wonderful Leaders” in Washington “borrowed” Billions of dollars from the system and have never paid it back. Now they have decidecd that Social Security & Medicare should be a “WELFARE SYSTEM” and given to anyone that needs a helping hand. (other than the people that paid to build the system)One thing a lot of people don’t know is that as of 1988 our “WONDERFUL LEADERS” do pay into Social Security,however, they do have other Retirement Plans that are paid by the Taxpayers.I seem to recall a system called “DOUBLE DIPPING” that was brought in by Ronald Regan,which, basically says that if you work for the Federal,State, or Local Goverment and Taxpayer money is paid into your Pension Plan you can only collect a percentage of your Social Security.After 1988 everyone is required to pay Social Security. (even those “Wonderful People”)The catch is that Mr. Regan,who, was the Govenor of California collected a pension from California and also a Pension as President. He recieved Health Care for himself and his wife for life. Another good example is Mr. Clinton, who, collects a Pension as Govenor Of Ark. and as President. Now his wife will recieve a pension as a Senator from New York and one as Secratary of State (also with all of the benefits). Where it really gets good is if something would happen to Mr. Clinton or Mrs Clinton the other would also recieve a portion of his or her pensions.All of our “WONDERFUL LEADERS” recieve free Health Care for themselves and family for life. Now I wonder how many people out there think that any of these “LEADERS” care what we have to pay for Health Care or how much of a cut we have to take in Social Security to bring in people who never paid for any of these benefits. Any laws they pass will NOT APPLY to them so they don’t care. We keep hearing “EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO GIVE A LITTLE”. Well I still cannot figure out where they are giving anything.It is easy to set back and keep taking and taking especially when it does not apply to you. Our “REPRSENTITIVES” are far above us and the shame of it is that they feel they should get special treatment. God Save Us All!
Posted by: Don Park | May 13, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
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Posted by: Barkri | May 14, 2009, 2:16 am 2:16 am
With Pres. Reagan’s eight years in the Oval Office and Pres. Bush One following, we went from one of the richest countries in the world to one of the poorest. The whole rotten mess we’re in will not take 12 years to rectify if we work together, help the Party of NO become more centrum, send the Rush Limbaugh’s to the countries of their choices and remember to be Americans again. Far too many of us don’t care, care only for ourselves and have forgotten the principles which our country was founded upon. Individually, we need to become involved to get our hijacked economy back to those who will nurture and care for it, foster job growth and provide adequate health and child care. There is a dearth of work that needs to be addressed by citizens WANTING TO WORK!!!
Posted by: clever bob | May 17, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm