The Note, 5/21/2009: Thrilla in the Swamp — Terror policies, in Washington split-screen
By RICK KLEIN Obama vs. Cheney — that’s a no-brainer, right? Before you let poll numbers answer that one, the tale of the tape: In the blue corner, we have a popular president coming off a lost round, leading a party that’s bobbing and weaving and ducking on issues it would generally rather not be talking about at all. In the red corner, you have a deeply unpopular former vice president coming off two lost elections, yet representing a party that’s nurturing a rare victory — and still delighting in having helped put the House speaker on the ropes. (And playing in the pre-show is the little prison camp that could, our newest national treasure, the one that got 90 senators to vote to save it Wednesday. If you can’t find bipartisanship, sometimes it finds you. . . . ) The juxtaposition of the speeches ensures split-screen cable coverage — and distracts from a White House that wants to recapture its own message. It pretty much guarantees that the day will be covered as a political back-and-forth, with focus on the debate itself, not just the policies. “At the exact same time President Obama is explaining his counterterrorism policies to the nation today, former Vice President Cheney will say those policies are making us less safe,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on “Good Morning America” Thursday. Cheney is an unpopular ex-politician defending an unpopular administration — and a face, of course, Democrats don’t mind seeing represent the GOP. And this is Obama we’re talking about, giving a speech, no less. (And will calling Democrats “socialists” help win an argument with the public?) But President Obama has the more difficult path, in policy and rhetoric. He has to actually get things done, and — unlike Cheney — he has answer critics on both his right and his left. (Think that Cheney cares what the ACLU thinks?) Obama speaks at 10:10 am ET, at the National Archives (alongside the Constitution, literally). Cheney’s speech is scheduled to start at 10:45 am ET (but it will be delayed until Obama is finished — and those in the audience will watch Obama on screens) across town, at the American Enterprise Institute. Excerpts from Cheney’s speech: “When President Obama makes wise decisions,” the former vice president will say, per ABC’s Jonathan Karl, “he deserves our support. When he mischaracterizes the decisions we made, he deserves an answer.” “Right now there is considerable debate in this city about the measures our administration took to defend the American people — and especially about our methods of gathering intelligence. What I want to do today is set forth the strategic thinking that drove our policies . . . ” The word from the White House: This is a chance to slow things down, as only a president can. This is less about details than grabbing hold of a debate that’s gotten away from Team Obama. “What the president is going to try to do today is get control of the debate back,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos reported on “GMA.” “Obama, in a bid to retake the initiative, plans an address today to forcefully defend his proposal for closing Guantanamo by year’s end. In the morning speech at the National Archives in Washington, he also will address prospects for a controversial proposal to hold detainees indefinitely without trial, if necessary, and will reassert his argument that closing the prison would advance U.S. security,” Julian E. Barnes and Josh Meyer report for the Los Angeles Times. “Clearing the political and legal logjam will probably require the Obama administration to endorse additional policies unpopular with its political allies.” “President Obama will do little to satisfy lawmakers’ hunger for a detailed plan on the closing of Guantánamo Bay when he delivers his national security speech Thursday morning,” The Hill’s Sam Youngman reports. “Instead, the president will lay out the reasoning behind some of his most controversial national security decisions.” “We need some cover,” said a senior Democratic Senate aide. Will this count? “What Obama will not do, however, is provide a detailed outline of which of the remaining Guantanamo prisoners will be released or transferred to other countries and under what conditions, and which will be tried in U.S. civil courts or in Bush-era military commissions,” Karen DeYoung writes in The Washington Post. The ACLU’s Anthony Romero: “If he continues down this path, these policies will certainly become known in the history books as the Bush-Obama doctrine.” Love, Karl Rove: “Barack Obama inherited a set of national-security policies that he rejected during the campaign but now embraces as president. This is a stunning and welcome about-face,” he writes in his Wall Street Journal column. Or not so much love: “Mr. Obama either had very little grasp of what governing would involve or, if he did, he used words meant to mislead the public. Neither option is particularly encouraging.” “Members of Congress, his liberal base and his conservative opponents will be listening to hear exactly where he stands,” USA Today’s Richard Wolf and Mimi Hall report. This makes it more interesting: “President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a ‘preventive detention’ system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times. “The two participants, outsiders who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was intended to be off the record, said they left the meeting dismayed.”
“Obama was succinct about his reversal, according to one person at the meeting, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was private: ‘He said, “I was a constitutional law scholar. Now I’m commander in chief,” ‘ ” per The Boston Globe’s Joseph Williams. Thanks for the help: “The concerns we have about individuals who may support terrorism being in the United States run from concerns about providing financing, radicalizing others,” said FBI Director Robert Mueller. This also makes it more interesting: “An unreleased Pentagon report concludes that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has returned to terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials,” Elisabeth Bumiller writes in The New York Times. As does this: “A top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay will be sent to New York for trial, an Obama administration official said Wednesday, a major step in President Barack Obama’s plan to close the detention center by early next year. Ahmed Ghailani would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court,” per the AP’s Devlin Barrett. (And this: “The FBI and NYPD busted a four-man homegrown terror cell Wednesday night that was plotting to blow up two Bronx synagogues while simultaneously shooting a plane out of the sky, sources told the Daily News.”) Don’t forget who won the last round: “Republicans have searched mightily for a good political issue this year as their traditional three Gs — gays, guns and God — have lost some steam. Now a fourth G — Guantanamo Bay — is handing them big boost, forcing President Barack Obama on the defensive,” the AP’s Charles Babington writes. This will be one of the rare days where the president himself will have trouble breaking through cleanly: “In typical Obama fashion, he will try to work his way out of a jam by putting his decision in the largest possible philosophical context,” Howard Fineman writes for Newsweek. “But even as Obama is speaking, who will be clearing his throat at a podium across town? Why, Dick Cheney, of course. The former vice president hasn’t singlehandedly created this situation, but he has adroitly capitalized on it.” “Meanwhile, Obama and his team have yet to get ruffled like Frazier before the fight,” Time’s Michael Scherer writes. “The polls, which show continued Republicans flailing, even on issues like national security, offer little concern. ‘They may see this as their life preserver,’ David Axelrod, the president’s senior adviser, told me yesterday. ‘But they also may be out in deep water without any assistance.’ “ “Even Obama can’t simply wish the past away. He needs to be more forthcoming about why he has changed his mind on some issues,” E.J. Dionne Jr. writes in his Washington Post column. “The administration regularly talks about protecting American values and American security. Even a verbal magician such as Obama can’t get around the fact that doing both involves hard trade-offs. To get back to the economy, health care, energy and education, Obama has to answer his civil libertarian critics and Dick Cheney at the same time.” “Donning a professorial gown is risky at a time when Democrats and Republicans in Congress, along with the American people, wants details from the administration, particularly about whether dangerous detainees might be imprisoned in the United States,” The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder writes. How to explain this metamorphosis? “What we have witnessed in the last few weeks is Barack Obama trying on and fitting himself to the role of commander in chief,” David Broder writes in his column. “The political cost is not yet high, but those who remember Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter know that over time, it can be dangerous for a Democratic president to lose the support of the liberal activists.” Back on Capitol Hill — any chance Republicans will let the House slip into recess without forcing a vote on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and her battle with the CIA? Look for some kind of GOP resolution before the break — on ordering a House intelligence committee investigation, if not something stronger. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Thursday: “The speaker’s intelligence security credentials are in question. I think this Congress needs to consider whether we would suspend that and ask her whether she will step down or step aside until such time as this matter is cleared up.” How did we get here? “Pelosi, the most powerful speaker in a generation, has mastered the inside game of Hill politics — brokering compromises, soothing bruised egos and, above all, keeping her party’s factions happy enough to stay in the fold yet not so happy to make others get jealous. But like an intimidating power forward with an iffy jump shot, Pelosi has proved considerably less adept at the outside game — a point brought home by her inability to quell the firestorm over the waterboarding briefing,” Politico’s Glenn Thrush writes. “If Obama is a rookie acting like a veteran, Pelosi, a career politician, has all too often filled the role of the bumbler in 2009,” Time’s Jay Newton-Small writes. “For all her careful planning, Pelosi can be rash, even impetuous, when confronted with a surprise, as she was at her CIA presser.” Meet your loyal Democrat: “The CIA has a very bad record when it comes to — I was about to say ‘candid’; that’s too mild — to honesty,” said Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., per The Hill’s Alexander Bolton and Reid Wilson. SCOTUS scuttlebutt: “President Obama has interviewed his first prospective Supreme Court candidate, sitting down privately in the White House for a conversation with Judge Diane P. Wood, an official confirmed Wednesday,” The New York Times’ Jeff Zeleny reports. “White House aides are preparing for an announcement no sooner than late next week.” Wood “is among the top three prospects Obama is considering, along with Judge Sonia Sotomayor and Solicitor General Elena Kagan, sources tell me,” per ABC’s Jan Crawford Greenburg. “Like those two, she’s filled out the exhaustive questionnaire and undergone the intensive vetting and FBI background check. . . . Sources tell me Obama has not decided whom he will choose. But of the three, Wood comes closest to meeting the criteria he has laid out in a justice.” The Washington Post’s Robert Barnes and Shailagh Murray narrow the buzz to two: “Wood was among a group of past, present, soon-to-be-past and perhaps future Supreme Court justices at the Georgetown event, the Sandra Day O’Connor Project on the State of the Judiciary,” they write. “Several others mentioned as possibilities to succeed Souter also attended, but most of the buzz centered on Wood and Solicitor General Elena Kagan, who gave the keynote address.” Elsewhere, the Democrats still get to be Democrats, and RNC Chairman Michael Steele gets to still be chairman of the RNC. “The Republican National Committee passed a resolution at a special session Wednesday condemning President Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress for leading the United States toward socialism, a victory for the party’s beleaguered chairman who sought the toned-down language in the measure,” Ralph Z. Hallow writes in the Washington Times. “RNC Chairman Michael S. Steele adamantly had opposed the initial version of the resolution that had — presumptuously, some Republicans thought — called on the Democrats to rename themselves ‘the Democratic Socialist Party.’ “ “Give credit where it’s due: RNC Chairman Michael Steele managed some successful party leadership today,” Robert Schlesinger blogs for US News & World Report. “Though in all fairness, that leadership essentially took the form of convincing his fellow Republicans not to dress up in a collective clown suit and convey their policy preferences through air horn blasts.” Is Steele any stronger? “With a dwindling minority, tough congressional races coming up and a popular president, Steele may soon find out that his own era of apologizing is just getting started,” Bloomberg’s Margaret Carlson writes. “The longer-term problem for Steele — and for establishment Republicans across the country — presented by the ‘Democrat Socialist Party’ debate is that the 168 committee members represent the most conservative element of the party and have almost no concern for how passing a resolution like that would play (and be played by Democrats) to the average independent or moderate voter,” Washingtonpost.com’s Chris Cillizza writes. “Put simply: these committeemen and committeewomen identify far more with the Dick Cheney/Rush Limbaugh wing of the party than they do with the Charlie Crist/Colin Powell side.”
Coming from the AFL-CIO Thursday — plans for the Memorial Day recess: “Working families across the country are ramping up for the biggest recess week yet, including more than a dozen candlelight vigils, 20 economic community roundtables, phone banking parties and deliveries of personal letters to offices of members of Congress. In total, working families will participate in more than 200 events large and small, write 25,000 handwritten letters, and make 40,000 calls to demand Congress to pass the Employee Free Choice Act.” Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., loses a round in the stimulus fight — and now goes to court: “Gov. Mark Sanford is taking the General Assembly to court after lawmakers required him to accept $350 million in disputed federal money by overriding his budget vetoes. Sanford quickly announced the federal suit after the Senate voted 34-11 on a state budget that forces him to accept the money,” The State’s John O’Connor reports. The Macker’s big test — will Virginia Democrats forgive and forget when it comes to the unforgettable Terry McAuliffe? National Journal’s John Mercurio: “Thanks to a radio ad run by one of his rivals, the closing days of the state’s Democratic gubernatorial primary campaign have revived the tensions of 2008 in a way that’s forcing candidates to debate who loves Obama the most. Even more intriguingly, the election is shaping up as the first high-profile test of whether Democrats — especially African Americans, who fueled Obama’s lopsided victory there last February — have welcomed the Clintons back into the fold.” The Kicker: “If girls realized the consequences of sex, nobody would be having sex. . . . Trust me. Nobody.” — Bristol Palin, finding her privacy on the cover of People magazine. “Did you guys see my house? . . . I’m trying to figure out if my lawn is getting mowed there.” — President Obama, to the crew of the space shuttle Atlantis. Today on “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s daily political Webcast: Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.; and Politico’s Jonathan Martin. Noon ET. Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note’s blog . . . all day every day:
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Old Peloski cracked me up last week during her briefing on waterboarding. She’s the ONLY politician in Washington that said duh, or uh more than Obama does when he pontificates. She almost sounds as dumb and clueless as Obama, NOT!
Posted by: Machod | May 21, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Obama is starting to find out what it means to walk the walk vs what he has been doing, talking the talk. This would be funny if it wasnt so scary.
Posted by: billy bob | May 21, 2009, 8:41 am 8:41 am
Willy, I agree with pretty much everything except that you seem to be ok with obama and the Democrats banning waterboarding. This tatic has been proven to work, and we are being foolish to not use it to protect American lives.
Posted by: billy bob | May 21, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
i say leave them at guantanamo. obama is still learning about terroism how it all works. he just needs to listen to our cia, fbi, military.
Posted by: natale from mass. | May 21, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am
billy bob +++ No, I don’t agree with Obama and the Dems over waterboarding, but it’s their decision to stop it and we can’t do anything about that. Plus, if we really need to get intelligence real quick from a suspect from a POW (that’s what they are, prisoners of war), we’ll just let the hosting country, who by the way will slice and dice to get their info, do the dirty work.
Posted by: Willy | May 21, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I think Cheney needs to stay home and shut up. He had his 8 years and wasn’t able to win any popularity contests then. Also, if you torture someone long enough, they will say anything just to get you to stop.
Posted by: Dawn | May 21, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Dawn, you are so right! Bush/Cheney had eight years and look at where we are…Cheney should go back to hunting and stay out of it.
Let Pres. Obama do what he thinks is right. He’s the president…we can’t have the same old same old going on…it doesn’t work. As to torture if it worked, why are these men still in prison and what did we get out of them?
Like Dawn said if you torture them enough they will say anything.
Posted by: Barb | May 21, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Willy, good point, i hope you are right.
Posted by: billy bob | May 21, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Mr I never made a mistake Cheney, Can you please go away! Enough of you losers already! Please go away for the good of the country. Thank you!
Posted by: Stanley | May 21, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
ABCNEWS has the full story on its front page. Cheney is right, Obama is wrong, and so is the left. Bush is gone, and they are still playing to kill americans. Waterboarding is a non-issue, making friends and influencing them nicely isn’t the answer. But the left still believes that we are the cause of this conflict. They refuse to believe otherwise, inspite of the evidence. There is a word for this. Sometimes the word “FOOLS” covers it nicely. Obama will cover for them, because he is chief of fools.
Posted by: Heavenislikethis | May 21, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Inappropriate at Best for a FORMER vice president with the lowest appoval rating in history. Never in history has a former administration “challenged” the current president. This is an attempt to say “Torture” worked, and Cheney never gave a damn about anything or anybody but himself. The American people already knows! NO NEED TO UNDERESTIMATE THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, CHENEY, OR THE PRESIDENT WE ELECTED TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN.
Posted by: tychisum | May 21, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
I’ll put my money on Obama.
Pelosi doesn’t present her self well, that’s true, but at least she isn’t EVIL. After the Bush/CHeney years, that’s basically all I look for in a national politician.
Has anybody else noticed posts on The Note disappearing?
Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 21, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Your comment about Cheney being unpopular only applies to about 50% of the population. It is great to see Cheney out from under the weak spined Bush defending his actions against the shrill hysterical left. I just wish they did it years ago instead of letting us endure the endless hysterics of the left which in light of what we know now were nothing but political posturing to gain a position and had no meaning at all. Princess Nancy being a prime example.
Posted by: Bendix20 | May 21, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
“Inappropriate at Best for a FORMER vice president with the lowest appoval rating in history. Never in history has a former administration “challenged” the current president.”
What utter hypocritical left wing Bull by Product. All the previous administration before GW Bush did was continuously critized the president. The left was even worse. What would the reaction be if some Conservative Senator called Obama a loser? The shrill howls would be deafening. You guys can dish it out but are so thinned skinned you cannot take it.
Posted by: Bendix20 | May 21, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Yoo Hoo Evil Cheney: don’t you know your party LOST? I love your slogan: Country first. If that was true you wouldn’t be going after our President who is sweeping up the huge messes you and Bush left.
Posted by: Barb | May 21, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Cheney knows what he’s talking about and Odumbo knows nothing…
Posted by: John | May 21, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Pelosi is toast. Her lies are concealed only by her inability to have facial expression. Obama is making rookie mistakes. As many of us non supporters during the election years stated, he is inexperienced in steering any ship other than his own campaign. He set up that campaign over several years of voter registrations in the inner cities and coupled those efforts with failed community betterment efforts. The Chicago ghettoes are still ghettoes, the high school completion rate there is dismal and violent crime now permeates the entire Chicago metropolitan area rather than being centralized in the tenement housing areas. He is now intent on applying his “experience” to the entire nation. And he brought his old Chicago cronies with him for guidance? Only those blinded by their own hope for positive changes for themselves, not our nation, continue to support his everchanging sympathies. The reality of national leadership has taken its toll on his credibility.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I have seen administrations come and go for fifty years and have never seen anything like the display Cheney is putting on. I keep imagine an ex-vice president of the past having shadowed the next president this way and is incredible to see what Cheney is doing.
The man should be in jail for what he spent 8 years not running around rebutting Obama 24-7
Posted by: Annie | May 21, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Cheney has gained the upper hand in the argument and everyone, including Obama, knows it. Obama made numerous naive promises as presidential candidate and several stupid mistakes when he first got into office, but he is quickly learning how ludicrous some of previous words and actions were.
Due to unrelenting pressure from Republicans, including Cheney, and, more importantly, the reality of the terror threat, Obama has had to revise many of his positions.
Posted by: Paul UK | May 21, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
If Bush/Cheney had done their job we would not be having this discussion
Posted by: Barb | May 21, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
How fast we forget that in the last 8 months of Bushs presidency he moved closer to what Obama was saying on national security.
All of you saying Pelosi lied (of which i’m no fan)are blinded by bias, no record of the briefing has been produced. You would never be allowed on any jury in this country with that prejudice. YES THE ISSUE IS TORTURE.
Posted by: watching | May 21, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
From the posts here it seems the things that are necessary to attain and maintain national security aren’t popular with the left wingers. Listen to Cheney. He has experience as well as history on his side. The policies of the Bush administration have kept us safe, even if they have been labeled inappropriate, even if they have been labeled criminal, even if they are unpopular with liberal thinkers. The problem is we aren’t dealing with liberal thinkers. Our enemies are relatively uneducated. Survival of the fittest still applies in their circles of influence. Force is the only way they appreciate. Peaceful coexistence is not an option from their perspective. Experimental foreign relations, especially when it comes to terrorism advocates is dangerous business. They use negotiation for buying time and getting handouts to better prepare and arm themselves for future attacks on us. They have learned well from the nation that made treaties that would endure “for as long as the grass grows and the wind blows.”
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
How exactly did Bush keep us safe when 9/11 happened under his watch?
Posted by: Barb | May 21, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
More people died to (t)errorism under bu$h/cheney than under any other administration in history. If, 9 months after a Democratic presidents inauguration, and AFTER direct warnings about bin Laden being prepared to strike, the U.S. was attacked and lost 3,000 lives, I am sure you cheny/torture apologists would be insisting that the Democrats kept us safe. Yea, right. Top it off with fact that right after 9/11, bu$h/cheney flew the bin Laden family out of the U.S. while U.S. airspace was closed! That’s being tough on terror? Pass it on – Republicans are soft on terrorists!
Posted by: pokey_one | May 21, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
If you want Cheney to go away, it’s easy. Stop blaming everything in the world on the last administration. Someone said in fifty years they haven’t seen a former VP do what Cheney has done, but the same could be said that in fifty years you haven’t seen a president bash and blame the last administration for every problem in the world. Enough is Enough. Believe me, I’m not a fan of Bush/Cheney, I didn’t vote for them, but at the same time I’m not naive enough to think that his administration alone is to blame for everything. We will be reaching that point in time when you can no longer blame Bush/Cheney, and the worlds problems will lay entirely on Obama’s shoulders. I can’t wait for that day. The only difference is that even though I don’t agree with 90% of his policies, I hope that I will have nothing to bash him about. But my gut feeling tells me that we will be in deep dodo soon because of HIS policies.
Posted by: Willy | May 21, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Amen, Willie. Well said.
Posted by: older&wiser | May 21, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
It’s intriguing.. why on this site, is ABC giving President Obama and Cheney equal credence? even the images shown are suggestive of an equal opposition.
The President of the United States does not have ‘competition’ with a former VP. That’s ridiculous.
No one is listening to the former VP anyway, people are tired of their GOP foolishness, they were voted out.
If you want to compare individuals with equal standing, compare Cheney to one of the losers on the TV Idol show; that’s more appropriate.
Posted by: gus amaral | May 21, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Look, there is no ‘thrilla in the swamp’. Shame on you Rick Klein! Your setting this up to be some kind of ‘Ali/Frazier’ fight might help make you money, but it is disingenuous.
President Obama is the Commander in Chief in a time of two wars not of his making. He’ll be delivering a speech about U.S. national security, his recent decisions on matters like Gitmo and military commissions, and the priorities of U.S. foreign policy.
Cheney used to hold office, but is now an eccentric, peevish private citizen who’s taken it upon himself to criticize and undermine the President for not enacting and promoting Cheney’s policies. The ex-VP will be speaking at a think-tank about how right he thinks he was, and about how he thinks the White is failing because its decisions don’t fall into like with his own.
One of these speeches is consequential, the other is being delivered by Cheney. He may have been VP, but his thoughts and stance on national security are about as relevant as mine, yours, or any other private citizen. Taking pot-shots at the President and trying to justify the brutal torturing other human beings does not put him on-par with the President. As I said, this false parity that you are engaging in is not credible, it is sensationalist, and Klein, you ought to know better. Shame on you.
Posted by: pokey_one | May 21, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
pokey_one; How quickly and how conveniently you forget how the administration previous to “W” turned a blind eye to the bombing of U.S.embassies, a U.S. military vessel, the World Trade Center, other civilian targets and possibly most inexcusable was the former president’s insistence on the release of terrorists held in custody by Israel. Some of those released came back to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon and had intentions of targeting the White House with another. Lenience is not the answer. Nurture your children. Remembe to discipline them as well. Leave foreign relations policy to thicker skinned individuals.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
you Go, Pokey!
Facts is facts.
Posted by: gus amaral | May 21, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
I just read the transcript of Obama’s speech on MSNBC. Words cannot express my relief we finally have a competent, trustworthy, reasonable President who is educated in the constitution and understands how to fight terrorism by wielding the law. God Bless America, God Bless Barack Obama.
Posted by: Amy B Maine | May 21, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
MMonroeliveson:
You seem like a reasonable sort, so
Please leave the swaggering, tough talk to Lee Marvin movies.
Getting tough with facts, is heavyweight brother. Guns and guts only goes so far, you need brains as well.
Posted by: gus amaral | May 21, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
This is great.
Now that Cheney and the GOP are pushing this issue, justice WILL be served.
If they had remained silent, Obama would have caused it all to be swept under the rug as he so plainly telegraphed he was going to make happen, notwithstanding his statements that he was letting the AG make that call.
Now, we will see formal investigations, followed by prosecutions, both domestic and in the Hague.
Thank you, Cheney and Repubs, for making the coming reckoning possible.
Posted by: Tom | May 21, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Looks like someone out there can’t handle the truth revealed by historic facts. My post about the failures of the Clinton administration concerning the ways they chose to deal with terrorism, to wit embassy bombings, USS Cole bombing, World Trade Center bombing and many other civilian targets across the face of our globe, was taken down. Maybe, just maybe if the terrorists had been dealt with harshly before 9/11 there would not have been a 9/11 to deal with. Yes 9/11 happened on the Bush watch, shortly after taking office. The difference is, it’s undeniable we’ve been safe since, thanks to the policies of the Bush administration so unpopular with left wingers.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
For all of you who want Cheney to go away & stop being critical of the current administration. Perhaps if YOU and the fools like Pelosi would realize that Bush is gone and move on already, He would not hhave so much to talk about.
I do not know anyone who would not want to defend themselves if they had the media and opposition political party trying to go wild over investigations as they are now.
We did what we did and the country is safe. GET OVER IT ALREADY.
Your all so ready to crucify the previous administration for lying, yet the current Democratic Speaker of the House is doing the same thing!
I have said this before and I will continue to say it. BOTH sides of the aisle have in the past done these kinds of things and will continue to in the future. It is called politics and its been this way since time began!
If you want to pursue these investigations, by all means go ahead, but be prepared for more fallout than you can possibly imagine.
Posted by: Mike_C | May 21, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
With all due respect, I find all this grenade throwing from both sides to be unseemly.
President Obama is rightly revisiting some of the potential policies he proclaimed in his campaign, as well as the rationale used by the previous administration.
If that means that he changes his mind as to what he wants done, so be it. He is privy to more information than those of us who post here.
In terms of Cheney’s involvement, I believe that it is appropriate for a man with the experience in Congress, in the Cabinet, as well as Vice President, to express his views. Again, a man who has been privy to more information than those of us who post here.
Posted by: Cygnet | May 21, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
We should let them all go, I don’t care they aren’t coming where I live…good luck big city Obama backers!
Posted by: Ken | May 21, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Well Bush/Cheney authorized Torture Bush/Cheney Opened Gitmo BUSH/CHENEY BROUGHT THIS MESS! Now President Obama has to Fix this Disaster Caused by them 2
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 21, 2009, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
If any investigation reveals that Pelosi or any dems should be prosecuted, or should resign, etc., that is 100% OK by me.
Repubs and dems should get equal treatment. Our elected representatives should not be allowed to mutually sort of agree to sweep it all under the rug, so they all get to save their skins and/or jobs.
Posted by: Tom | May 21, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Hey Barb
Thats the Question I asked and The answer I get it was Clintons Fault Really Clinton Warned Bush About Bin Laden you Expect us to Belive Bush didnt Know Bin Laden or His Threats When he took Office Dont you agree BARB Bush Had 8-9 Months In office to Stop that Attack what did he do NOTHING FAILED!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 21, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Who cares if Obama is more ‘sensitive’ to both the right and left, will America be safe if the Terrorist are allowed to enter the US justice system, and be let off because their rights were not read correctly. Keeping America safe will not be done by being sensitive to people feelings.
Posted by: cbk16 | May 21, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Well Bush/Cheney authorized Torture Bush/Cheney Opened Gitmo BUSH/CHENEY BROUGHT THIS MESS! Now President Obama has to Fix this Disaster Caused by them 2
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To bad that most Democrats agree with Bush and Cheney and want to keep Guant open, and do not want to end the CIA Torture techniques. Democrats sound idealist, but when it comes down to actually ending what they say is bad, the agree with what Bush and Cheney originally set up. The Democrats have figured out nice sound bits don’t keep America safe, this is why Guant. will not be closed. The 90-6 vote in the Senate shows the Democrats don’t really mean what they say.
Posted by: cbk16 | May 21, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
And yet another post comes down. How is it the Clinton administration gets a free ride on the issue of its failure to respond to terrorism? US embassies bombed, USS Cole bombed, World Trade Center bombed. No response from the powers that be. Anyone with a mind for self preservation has to see that the boldness of terrorists was fueled by our inactivity.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Obama bombarded us with rhetoric and speculation and demonstrated an uncanny ability to back peddle again. Cheney dazzled us with facts. Obama says he’s not going to relitigate the policies of the Bush administration concerning interrogation techniques and detainment without trial. That whole relitigation idea is really disgusting isn’t it? It means he’s going to walk down the same path the previous administration followed because he now recognizes it’s the right thing to do in the interest of national security. Besides those detainees have spots all over them where other nations have been touching them with ten foot poles. A mind stays clean if it’s changed regularly.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | May 21, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm