With Questions About His Ability to Negotiate, Abbas Comes to White House with Demands

The ”two-state solution” is just a slogan totally disconnected from reality. It is based on wishful thinking, unsupported assumptions, & a deliberate disregard for actual evidence or facts. Basically, it is a repeat performance of that other major fiasco, the Oslo Accords, only on a larger (& more dangerous) scale.
But, it is politically correct, supported by a completely biased media, & the pet project of many looney-leftists, not to mention the dhimmis of the Eurabian Union.
Of course, such a project appeals to the Obama administration (& to be fair, was part of Bush’s collection of bad ideas) since it is based on nothing but pretty rhetoric & basically ignores the real threats to U.S. interests.

I agree Terry. Israel/Palestine has become a political football and both are none too happy. People don’t seem to realize that none of the neighboring nations want a Palestinian state, not Jordan, or Egypt, or Syria. They pay lipservice to it, but undermine it any chance they get. The Palestinians have been a thorn in the side of both Israel and neighboring countires. No one wants them in their borders, and they certainly don’t want a Palestinian state that lays claim, to this day, to territories in Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. As an official state, able to develop a military and self defense initiatives, is believed to pose a real threat not only to Isreal but the neighboring nations as well.

If our leaders had any idea the scope of this problem, consider this-
I personally have met two Palestinian families who still have the keys to their front door…of the houses they left with their belongings in 1948.

I’m with you, concerned-
Why is a ME solution OUR problem? Why are we ‘bailing out’ Israel, Egypt and Pakistan to the tune of billions of dollars a yr over decades?
How has our relationship with any of these countries benefited the US since the fall of the Soviet Union?
Seems like it just gets us trouble.
I’m with George Washington-we should not have a ‘passionate attachment’ to another country.And Jefferson- why should America be slaying the world’s dragons?

“Now, it’s not politically correct these days to actually refer back to real historical facts when imaginary narratives are so appealing.”
Yup. People are uneducated that the Arabs themselves have done more to deny the existance of a Palestine than Isreal has. Jordan the best example, but not much different than the treatment they receive in Egypt and Syria. It’s one of the reasons Syria keeps pushing them into Lebenon and out of Syria.

“The real problems are Christianity ,Islam and Judaism ,which are each intolerant racist bigoted cults whose crude and archaic base ideologies intrinsically will not allow for any real diversity or dissent.”
I would disagree with this. Religion has been used to motivate, but the real reasons why have always been based on human nature. Revenge, greed, power have all been the basis for every conflict and war since man walked the earth. Before there was Christianity, Islam, and Judaism there were men in wars destroying each other. While religion has been used to influence the masses, it was not the cause or the driver. That has always been, and always will be, human nature.

Jake —
At your next Gibbs briefing, can you ask the question of whether in drafting the Cairo speech to the Muslim world, the writers asked any Muslim people for their input? any advisors or ambassadors or lay people, etc?
It would seem disadvantageous to address a group of people without checking in with their perspective as the speech is written.
Thanks.

God gave us this land!
The supreme being as real estate agent. I don’t think so.

Different gene pools (or tribes) have been wary and aggressive with each other for a long time – often because of their varying self-constructed religious beliefs and rituals, sometimes because of different languages and communications difficulties. Sometimes because the gene pool didn’t believe in reproducing with others. Those were ancient, grunting, superstitious peoples – we have the benefit of world knowledge now.
What happened in the Middle East is an unusual story. Israel was imposed on the Arabs basically by white, western governments under the auspices of the UN. Perhaps not the best idea in retrospect, but AN EASY SELL AT THE TIME.
However, given that . .. the return of Israel lands to their previous borders and the confirmation of a Palestinian state seems to be the only sane solution.
Let’s get about it . ..

Well, atleast palestine has an advocate in the White House now, sucks for Israel though!
Barry O’s pastor wailed on Israel for years and shouted about how terrible America has been to the palestinians and of course, barry O never said a word.
His nutty pastor also gave the anti-semetic and very pro-palestine louie farrakhan a “lifetime acheivement award”. Once again, barry never objected.
Barry has been surrounded by anti-semetic people for much of his life (rashid khalidi, reverend racist, louie farrahkan) and he still took the majority of the jewish vote in the election.
That right there shows that the media really can sway an election how they want it.
The media’s “stalinesque” adoration of Barry O is sickening, and our whole country will suffer because of it.

Man has twisted religion to invoke hate and violence, religion itself does not.
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That’s just crazy…listen to yourself!
Eye for an eye perhaps?
Read Joshua (the bible) then explain again how religions (in that case God specifically) don’t explicitly invoke/provoke hate and intolerance.
As long as there is a shared resource of some kind there will be issues , how we humans deal with that (i.e. ,in this case , whatever belief systems we humans choose to adopt that condone/reward or just accept our “whatever-it-takes-to-survive” mentality ) is what will determine whether we live in makeshift peace sharing resources or whether we exist just to survive like brutes , constantly at odds with each other using petty man-made ideologies/idols as our self-righteous justifications for rape murder and killing ,in the real name of whatever you prefer to call it.
With Hitler and the Nazis it was about turning Jews into less-than-human objects ,all the more easy to dispose of them .
Many so-called “tolerant” factions of major religious sects do the same thing in lesser degree perhaps , by patently and tacitly ostracizing anyone who doesn’t overtly agree with them or their agenda( and the more radical divisions react somewhat more belligerently ,sometimes rather violently evidently).
Go to Pakistan ,Swat Valley and try to even just blend in without a Taliban approved beard…You’ll see what I mean.

Posted by: Dave | May 28, 2009 4:48:07 PM
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You might want to bone up on the dailies over there in Ireland/IRA land Davey lad. That’s just one place the Christian loonies have shot up recently ,but do a quick google and you can easily find as much Christian-bred hate/vitriol/racism/bigotry as you can stomach ,and 2000 years worth of it to boot ,if you care to take the time to check the facts .
Go back a few years if you need to ,(try a history book) but it’s still simmering heartily there in Ireland and the lid is ready to blow off any second apparently .
Also ,I seem to recall reading about this wonderful guy , Martin Luther… Ever read any of his hateful diatribes about/concerning the Jews?
Actually , I have heard it asserted in a fairly believable way that they (his anti-Jewish rants) influenced Hitler ,(among other well-known haters )and probably were a factor in his eventual decision to employ ” the final solution” on the Jews of Europe.
Ahh all that Christian love and tolerance!

“Israel has a right to the land far more than the palestinians can begin to claim”
“Israel”, as you put it, was not even in existence until it was imposed as a state upon the Arabs by white, western governments. Please don’t beg your argument by claiming it existed previously.
If you study population numbers in what is now claimed as Israel you will find Arabs far outnumbered Jews at the turn of the last century.
At the beginning of the British mandate (c. 1918) the population was about 93% arab, 7% Jewish.
Please quit making up facts to suit your political bias.

ok first off…arabs were not in the region before them b/c according to history the jewish nation (also known as israel) was made way before the islamic culture was even thought of so those that state that someone doesn’t know their facts needs to do a lil more studying on the facts. Next off this is not about who goes to what land b/c if you clearly see in the article hammas is not going to abide by what abbas wants or demands b/c they will not obey him hence therefore more war. Finally for those that do not know the Hammas movement that controls palestine (which is a terrorist organization by the way) believes that total peace only comes through total domination.

As you can see from the timeline I posted it may have been called Palestine, but was Turkish, British, or Jewish land at various times.
The new Palestinians are the new occupants, not the jews.
They came into existence after the holocaust and Yassar Arafat started kneecapping people, you remember when they had no home land and were simply “the palestinian liberation army”
They occupied palestine with the goal of ousting the jews.
End of story, not the other way around.

For those of you who don’t know history, and don’t know what the Balfour agreement was I will post the wiki entry, which is thankfully brief. As you can see there was a desire that different groups co-exist in peace, but there has yet to be acceptance of jews in the region, even though their presence pre-dates any of this by multiple centuries. The desire to oust the jews is the basis for this non stop conflict and some simple border shift is only a victory for the terrorists in this endeavor, and further threatens the safety of Israel.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a formal statement of policy by the British government stating that “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”[1]
The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland, a Zionist organization. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of “sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations.”

At the beginning of the British mandate (c. 1918) the population was about 93% arab, 7% Jewish.
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As you can see there has been a non stop historical attempt to oust the jews.
Do you think having more arabs vs jews in any one brief period is a time we should freeze and reference in perpetuity.
The wealth of history argues against this.
On the timeline:
1840 Turkish English writers and statesmen begin to discuss the possibility of a Jewish restoration.
This plainly tells us that for hundreds of years the jews have struggled, been ousted, returned to their rightful homeland, and started the process over again.
If your argument is that jews are outnumbered in the mideast and the region I hope you understand that it does not mean jews have no right to the land as their homeland.

MNM: “the Palestinian Liberation Organization… they were the first world known terrorist group. You might say they birthed the whole mideast terror movement , just to get rid of the jews.”
I can’t let this post go uncorrected. Long before the PLO came in 1964:
the bombing of the King David Hotel, 1946 – by the Zionist terrorists the Irgun,
The Night of the Trains, 1945 – Zionist terrorists lead by Tzipi Livini’s mom and dad.
asassination of British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo, 1944 – Zionist terrorists Lehi (Stern Gang). one of the leaders was Yitzhak Shamir, later to be PM of Israel.
1946 The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome.
1947 The Sergeants affair: 2 British soldiers were hung by the Irgun. Their dead bodies were booby trapped to explode when cut down.
1948 the Deir Yassin massacre carried out by the Irgun and Lehi, killed between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers.
1948, Lehi assassination of the United Nations mediator Count Bernadotte
1947, Irgun bombs police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, and two Arab civilians.
Irgun threw grenades into cafe in Jerusalem, Palestine, killing 11 Arabs and 2 British policemen.
Ok, you get the point. Now tell us who “birthed the whole mideast terror movement”?