The Note, 6/26/09: Caps and Tradeoffs: Energy bill takes political temperature
ABC News’ RICK KLEIN reports: Here's the thing about all that criticism of doing too much at once: It starts to go away if what you're doing actually gets done.Friday brings (or maybe even won't bring) one of those votes that matters quite a bit for politics, policy, and posturing. In another, say, news climate, this would be a very big deal. The cap-and-trade bill is a marking point in the debate over energy and climate policy. How it's being handled is a marking point in deal-making and arm-twisting under the leadership of President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.At a time when health care reform and the domestic agenda are in the balance — while the president struggles with his left, the right finds its way, and the center finds a louder voice — losing a vote really isn't a good option.(There's no real scenario under which Democrats don't win in the House. And yet — if you think it's an ugly road in the House, just wait until it snakes through the Senate.)Obama put some heat on himself (even as Al Gore took some off) with a Rose Garden statement Thursday, in addition to those phone calls he's been making on the Markey-Waxman bill.All that outreach has got to mean something at some point. This would be one of those points."Passage of the bill would be a major victory for Obama at a time when the president's poll numbers have dropped slightly and his administration is juggling efforts to overhaul healthcare, reform financial regulations, and deal with Iran, North Korea and other foreign policy challenges," Jim Tankersley and James Oliphant write in the Los Angeles Times. "But as the vote neared, Democrats still were going their separate ways.""If this goes down, it shows we can't govern," said senior White House adviser David Axelrod, according to one person at the House whip meeting, per The Hill's Jared Allen. "From the White House lawn to the bowels of the Capitol to the hills just east of Nashville, Democrats pulled out all the stops and employed their biggest guns to whip dozens of still-undecided members," Allen writes. (Did Al Gore really not get on a flight from Tennessee because the speaker didn't want him to be wasting time? Or is it possible that the image of Pelosi and Gore side-by-side on television wasn't going to help moderate Democrats make up their minds? Or that Gore really doesn't want to be there if the bill isn't a sure thing?) The biggest gun: "Make no mistake, this is a jobs bill," President Obama said in the Rose Garden Thursday, per ABC's Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller. "We cannot be afraid of the future, and we can't be prisoners of the past. We've been talking about this issue for decades, and now is the time to finally act." Fitting the narrative: "Every administration wants to do great things. Or, rather, it wants greatness," Peggy Noonan writes in her Wall Street Journal column. "There is a persistent sense of extraneous effort, of ambitions too big and yet too small, too off point, too base-pleading, too ideological, too unaware of the imperatives. And there is the depressing psychological effect of seeing government grow so much, so big, so fast. This encourages a sense that things are out of control and cannot be made better." Your White House day: President Obama sits down with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, with Rose Garden Q&A to follow at 11:30 am ET. But the action will be down the street a bit: "Several Democratic moderates said they continue to harbor reservations about the bill. Their concerns ranged from the general — as lawmakers struggled to get familiar with a complex and sprawling measure that clocked in at 1,201 pages — to the parochial," per Roll Call's Tory Newmyer reports. Who's on the line? "It wasn't supposed to be this way. Global warming has long been a Democratic priority — and with House Speaker Pelosi and President Barack Obama behind it, many didn't think Democrats would have had such a hard time reaching a consensus on legislation," Time's Jay Newton-Small reports. "More than anyone on Capitol Hill, Pelosi has staked her reputation on the bill." "Speaker Pelosi hopes to have a vote on the bill [Friday], or possibly Saturday, but she is unlikely to call for a vote until she is sure the bill will pass," ABC's Jonathan Karl reports. "Gore's call list includes liberals who think the bill has been watered down too much — as well as nervous moderates who are concerned about Republican attacks that a vote for the bill is a vote to hike energy taxes." Will it take anything else to get the vote? "House Democratic leaders Thursday weighed tough trade penalties on countries that don't cap so-called greenhouse-gas emissions, while President Barack Obama sought support from wavering lawmakers ahead of a vote on a climate bill," Stephen Power and Greg Hitt write in The Wall Street Journal. "The inclusion of the trade-related provisions is meant to appease lawmakers from heavy industry states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan who worry that limits on U.S. emissions would put domestic industries at a disadvantage to competitors in countries like China that don't limit emissions." How close are they? "Democratic aides and lawmakers suggested the legislation was still short of the 218 votes needed to ensure passage. It was unclear by how much, but individuals familiar with the vote-counting suggested Democrats were lacking 15 to 20 votes and perhaps more," Power and Hitt write."By late Thursday, aides and lawmakers said Democrats were within a dozen of the 218 votes needed to pass the legislation," Politico's Lisa Lerer and Patrick O'Connor report. Best detail of the day: "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plied undecided members with chocolate-covered Dove bars in a series of small group meetings." Keeping in mind what this doesn't do: "It's not too late to hope for a cleaner cap-and-trade bill — such proposals are circulating on Capitol Hill — or a properly designed carbon tax that would send the right market signal to spur green-energy innovation while also leading to vital changes in behavior," per The Washington Post editorial. "Given that congressional action could set a template for years or decades, we think it's too soon to settle for something that falls so far short of ideal." And this i sn't even the topic domestic priority of the moment: "It has become the trillion-dollar question: can President Obama find that much in spending cuts and tax increases to keep his campaign promise to overhaul the health care system, without adding to already huge deficits? Mr. Obama and the Democrats running Congress are deeply split over the possibilities," The New York Times' Jackie Calmes reports. Getting closer on health care? (Until there's some numbers and details for public digestion, maybe not yet.) "Senate health-care negotiators said yesterday they were closing in on a $1 trillion health-care bill that would be fully funded by tax increases, Medicare cuts and new penalties for employers who do not offer health insurance," Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery write in The Washington Post. "As the contours of a bill begin to take shape, [Sen. Kent] Conrad said prospects for bipartisan support appear to have brightened." "While Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus is beaming about the development, it's important to remember that all this is notional at the moment," ABC's Z. Byron Wolf reports. One very good sign for progress: "I know you are very interested in the public component and I think Senator [Chuck] Schumer has the right idea about having a public component," Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., told a gathering Thursday, per the Allentown Morning Call's Josh Drobnyk. And when is bipartisanship bipartisanship? When Rahm Emanuel says it is: "This will be bipartisan. There will be ideas from both parties and individuals from both parties in the final product," Emanuel said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast, per the Monitor's Linda Feldmann. "Whether Republicans decide to vote for things that they've promoted will be up to them." The Sanford fall-out: "Facing questions over whether he used taxpayer funds to pay for trips to Argentina to see the woman with whom he admitted having an extramarital affair, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford said Thursday that he would repay the state for a 2008 business trip to Buenos Aires," per ABC's Huma Khan, Sarah Netter, and Eric Noe. "Coming one day after Mr. Sanford confessed that he had spent his week's absence from the state in Argentina with the woman with whom he had been having a year-old affair, Thursday's admission was yet another blow to his reputation and led several fellow South Carolina Republican leaders to say he could no longer serve as governor," The New York Times' Jim Rutenberg and Robbie Brown report. "Robert W. Harrell Jr., speaker of the Republican-controlled House, said the governor would now have to decide whether he could remain effective in office. Glenn McCall, one of the two Republican national committeemen from South Carolina, called on him to resign, as did two newspaper editorial boards in the state." "Fellow Republicans issued sharp calls for the disgraced Sanford to step down — a move he indicated he was not considering. And at least one campaign donor was drafting a letter asking for his money back," per the AP's Jim Davenport. New questions: "When South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford added a stop in Argentina to his trade mission to Brazil last June, the side trip should've raised eyebrows because he was undertaking a trade mission that the U.S. government was unwilling to make," McClatchy's Kevin G. Hall reports. Saved by politics? "But a flood of calls for Sanford's resignation from the state's political class might not materialize because of the impact such a move would have on next year's race to replace him," The State's John O'Connor writes. "Few opponents in the Republican field want to give Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer a test run before 2010 to prove himself in a potential field of U.S. Rep. Gresham Barrett, state Sen. Larry Grooms, state Rep. Nikki Haley, Attorney General Henry McMaster and Furman University political scientist Brent Nelsen." The LGBT fundraiser went on as scheduled: "Gay Democrats are using their wallets to pressure President Obama, while liberal groups are asking him to repeal ‘don't ask, don't tell' as a national security issue," Christina Bellantoni writes in the Washington Times. "As the gay rights efforts increase in size and scope, the White House seems to be responding. Mr. Obama will speak to gays and lesbians Monday and face questions about the next steps he's promised following the extension of some benefits to gay federal workers." "President Barack Obama is taking heat from some gays and lesbians for not fulfilling campaign pledges. He's also taking their cash," per the AP's Philip Elliott. "I hope you don't doubt the president's commitment," said Vice President Joe Biden. Also on the left: Arianna Huffington doesn't love lobbyists. "Remember all that change Americans voted for in November? Well, there's been a change in the plans for change," she writes. "The detour has come courtesy of a familiar nemesis: DC lobbyists who, this year alone, have watered-down, gutted, or out-and-out killed ambitious plans for reforming Wall Street, energy, and health care. Remember all that change Americans voted for in November? Well, there's been a change in the plans for change."Plus — if it's good enough for the president . . . Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner answers Huffington Post reader questions. You knew this was coming: From the DCCC's new radio ad campaign, to run in seven GOP-held congressional districts, timed for the Fourth of July: "Around here, we recognize Independence Day with parades … and picnics … maybe a few fireworks. But July Fourth is about more than that. It's about remembering those who fought for our freedoms. And those still fighting today.""Congressman Lee Terry [R-Neb.] used to understand that," the ad continues. "When George Bush asked, Congressman Terry voted to fully fund our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. And, last year he said, quote, ‘We must give our military every resource it needs.' Seems like Congressman Terry is playing politics now … Last month Congressman Terry voted AGAINST funding for those same troops."Also messaging around the Fourth: the Workforce Family Institute. From the packet being circulated fo r the recess: "As our nation celebrates its independence, small business owners across the country are threatened by a government takeover."Coming up on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos": Senior White House adviser David Axelrod. The Kicker:"Sonofab-tch." — White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, in the tank after CBS' Bill Plante gave him a good dunking. "I just looked up and I caught this hairy eyeball by Bill." — White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, getting a little too political for Bill Burton's comfort, at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast. Today on "Top Line," ABCNews.com's daily political Webcast: Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., and ABC's George Stephanopoulos. Noon ET. Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note's blog . . . all day every day:
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As the House gets ready to vote on the largest tax increase in U.S. history, a tax that will significantly increase the cost of energy for a problem (global warming) that is certainly not well understood and for which there is still significant disagreement in the scientific community, our news channels are not focusing on the significance nor impact of the tax, but on the demise of a pop star. Granted, Michael Jackson was an icon, however, the impact of the tax increase will affect the cost of energy and our economy and have a much more lasting affect than Michael Jackson’s music. The United States is spending TRILLIONS of “stimulus” dollars, fighting two wars, and is debating whether to spend TRILLIONS more. Our news networks are feeding us pablum. Why Rick Allens blog is tucked away in an obscure window is bordering on the criminal!!
Posted by: Eugene Buglewicz | June 26, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Dems, only 40% of Americans believe global warming to be a fact. Why do you want every person in the country to pay more out of their pockets to prop up a myth? 10,000 PhD’s worldwide last year signed a petition saying global warming was a “religion” and not hard science. You global warming eco-nazi’s are going to destroy the nation. You have no idea the ramifications to our business culture so say good bye to any of the manufacturing jobs you dems hadn’t gotten rid of already.
Posted by: afkbrad | June 26, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
The cost of a postage stamp is 44 cents so this means the average bill will rise over $13 a month. The average electric bill is around $140 a month. That equals a 9.29% tax increase on just the electricity part of it. The estimated increase on gas will be approx 20%. That will bring the average gallon to $3.25 a gallon. That will be approx $24 extra a month on a vehicle that gets an average of 25 mpgs. Just right here the average family is looking at $37 more a month in taxes. This new tax will not create one job nor will it decrease greenhouse gasses by one bit.
Now we learn that Nancy Pelosi has a vested interest in a company that pushes this “Global Warming” con.
Posted by: t. hill | June 26, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Al Gore goes in front of Congress to ‘testify’ on global warming. But does he ever say how many BILLIONS he stands to gain through carbon offsets?
Posted by: deanbob | June 26, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) has estimated the Carbon Tax will cost every household $1600 per year. But we know that their numbers are traditionally low. Do you want to pay an additional $133 per month for a questionable program? Call your Congress person today.
Posted by: deanbob | June 26, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Eugene Buglewicz:”a problem (global warming) that is certainly not well understood and for which there is still significant disagreement in the scientific community”
If by only 95%+ agreement among scientists trained in a relevant field “significant disagreement…” But since you refer to it as global warming rather the actual accurate term climate change (which scientists have been using for over two decades, hence the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that was formed in 1988, not the IPGW), I doubt you are actually aware of the vast body of scientific research and data collected and analyzed over the past two decades.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
afkbrad:”Why do you want every person in the country to pay more out of their pockets to prop up a myth?”
Is our national dependence and economic fealty to oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia also a ‘myth’? Just like the myth of climate change, which is only slightly more scientifically supported than the myth that smoking can cause lung cancer?
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
if this passes there will only be one dem left after 2010 and 0 left after 2012.
Posted by: notanobamafan | June 26, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I seem to remember last year when gas prices were so high and the American Working people were having such a hard time paying for gas to go to work and put food on thier table. Was’nt it Nancy Pelosi,who, decided that it was’nt worth her time to stay in Washington and work to have prices lowered. She left to take her “5 WEEK BREAK” and sell her book. Even though she was begged to stay and help render a solution to the Gas Crisis she chose to “SELL HER BOOK”. Anything to do with high gas prices had to wait until her return in September. Now at a time when Cap & Trade & a new Health Care Plan both stand to add excessive expense to the American Tax Payers she is willing to work 24 hours a day to get these Bills through. Nancy Pelosi has “NO REGARD” for the Taxpayers she is only concerned about what “SHE” wants and I think the American People had better wake up to these facts. We can only “PRAY” that she is voted out of office in the next election. Her only concerns are “HER CONCERNS”
Posted by: Don Park | June 26, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Don Park, Pelosi owns an unknow # of shares in the Clean Energy Fuels Corp. She will profit because CLNE will boost the price of natural gas on the market. No wonder she is working round the clock. She only is concerned with lining her purse, just like the rest of them. Obama wants power, the rest want money.
Posted by: notanobamafan | June 26, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The largest tax increase in US history was signed into law by Ronald Reagan.
“Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.
According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.
In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.
In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.
The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.
The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect. According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today’s economy.”
Posted by: gary | June 26, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Don Park:”Was’nt it Nancy Pelosi,who, decided that it was’nt worth her time to stay in Washington and work to have prices lowered.”
Right. Because Congress could have just put in place price controls overnight and have those gas prices fixed up a’la Carter overnight.
The ‘fix’ for energy price spikes is to use less of it and reduce our exposure.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
jhw, easier said then done. I just have one ? for you. Is there not one dem you won’t defend? Pelosi is a snake and you know it. Power does things to people and it has done a number on her.
Posted by: notanobamafan | June 26, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
notanobamafan:”easier said then done. I just have one ? for you. Is there not one dem you won’t defend? Pelosi ”
I’m not defending Pelosi, but criticizing her for not holding a meaningless Congressional session full of vacant soundbites is silly.
Using less energy is not easy, and the energy issue has been being worked over by Congress for literally decades now. More recently, it was a significant feature of the election campaigns. This is hardly a rush nor a new issue.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
jhw539 | Jun 26, 2009 10:02:37 AM….I found an often quoted “97% of climate scientists …” all reference 1 survey that was sent to 10,000+ scientists. 30.7% responded. 5% of those respondents were actually climate scientists(79 indivuals). 97% of these 79 individual climate scientists replied yes to “2. Do you think human activity is a significant
contributing factor in changing
mean global temperatures”.
Posted by: deanbob | June 26, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
For those who don’t believe in global warming..I say…get real. All evidence points to it and why do you think we have all this pollution in so many states. Why are so many people suffering from congestive diseases. What I don’t understand is that everyone wanted a president who would make changes and every time he wants to make these changes the people say No. He understands these problems and we should support him. He is way ahead of his time on these things and look how he brought the internet to the elections. No one before had done that. So, have confidence in him…he is one smart man.
Posted by: talmag | June 26, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Gary,
I don’t care how much Regan, Clinton, or the two Bush’s raised taxes or anything else! This affects me and my family NOW!!!!! I can’t spare any money, or I will be in the poor house….hell I might be better off then
Posted by: Kevin | June 26, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
talmag. Record colds in the west and record rainfall? Dont tell me this is climate change you child! I am probably older than you! I seen this happen over 30 years ago then too with the weather, it does follow in cycles!
Posted by: 1MANA55 | June 26, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
One more thing Talmag. You seem to refrence Obama if is some GOD. He will feed the hungry, clothe the poor, house the homeless, heal the sick and most of all, bring peace to the world. The man is the biggest FAILURE in all of our Presidents!
Posted by: 1MANA55 | June 26, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
talmag, this man promised no one making under $250,000 (then he changed it to 200,000, then to 170,0000) would be taxed and this is a tax. This man is a power hungry monger that is so love with himself he has to be everywhere all the time, hence the internet (for your info he didn’t invent the idea), and if you dare disagree with him he whines and calls you names. Doesn’t sound like a man ahead of his time or someone who I think is smart let alone someone I would have confidence in. Whinning about Fox News (you know the only news channel to question him on anything) and calling the people who participated in the tea parties names seems more like something a 2nd grader would do not the POTUS. Blame,blame, blame and whine, whine, whine is all he seems to do. Oh, yeah and laugh at GM and make off color jokes. I have confidence he won’t have a second term thank you very much.
Posted by: notanobamafan | June 26, 2009, 11:33 am 11:33 am
deanbob:”I found an often quoted “97% of climate scientists”
The IPCC was set up specifically to survey all researchers active in the field and provide the consensus document. As such, the IPCC report has (unlike Gore or environmentalists looking for headlines) been a consistently conservative summary of the agreed conclusions (any disagreement with the conclusion from a member nation results in that conclusion being excluded).
This is a pretty typical scientific method, where conclusions are only accepted when the collected data and facts supporting them cannot be refuted.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
1MAN55:” The man is the biggest FAILURE in all of our Presidents!”
I think that nicely summarizes the objectivity of your informed opinion.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 26, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I am not a fan of Michael Jackson. He was deep in debt (some thing like half billion dollars). It is sickening the news media like ABC, FOX ,CNN spent whole night talking about the past glory and problems of Michael Jackson while not mention the fact that our nation is also deep in debt, many times more than the debt of the king of the pop.
Posted by: austin | June 26, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am
1MANA55- Talmag said nothing of the kind, so why are you accusing him of doing so? He said that Obama is smart, which anybody who has ever actually met him agrees with, whether conservative or liberal. Mellow out!
Posted by: jock59801 | June 26, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
jhw539: Global Warming was changed to Climate Change because the earth is not in fact warming
Posted by: Mike | June 26, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
I teach Finance at a major university. Cap & Trade is a very bad idea when the economy is in recession: (1) It will increase costs to consumers thus reducing disposable spending – it is a pass-through tax on energy. (2) It will increase the cost of doing business, which will slow the recovery, cost jobs and reduce our competitiveness with foreign suppliers. (3) The cost increases will stoke inflation, while simultaneously hampering our economic recovery. This will hurt everyone – especially the poor. I’d strongly encourage you to call your Congressional representatives and demand that this bill be defeated.
Posted by: Alex Smollett | June 26, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
“There is a sucker born every minute”. Apparently this “global warming bill” proves that an incredible amount of Americans fit in that catagory.
Posted by: afloatinasea | June 26, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
talmag | Jun 26, 2009 11:21:14 AM….Obama promised transparency. Why has he fired so many Inspecter Generals(because they tell him the truth) when the law requires a 30 day notice. Why didn’t he give the public access to the stimulus bill for 3-5 days before the House voted on it? Why isn’t this Carbon Tax bill being put on the internet for 3-5 days before the House votes on it?
Posted by: deanbob | June 26, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Kiss your $14 dollar a month tax break (and then some) good bye.
Posted by: dragoon70056 | June 26, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Waxman added 300-400 pages to the bill last night. How many have read it? Do they care what is in it? Is this the change Obama promised?
Posted by: deanbob | June 26, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Kevin,
I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to afford the extra $10-15 a month. Seems like a pretty cheap price to pay to insure that future generations have an inhabitable planet to live on.
Posted by: Gary | June 26, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
What the current energy bill really means is a lower standard of living for most Americans while China and India get to whoop it up. It’s a meaningless gesture that does more to harm our economy in the depths of “the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression” than it does to solve the Global Warming, Oopps, I mean Climate Change crisis.
what the current energy bill really means is a lower standard of living for most Americans while China and India get to whoop it up. It’s a meaningless gesture that does more to harm our economy in the depths of “the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression” than it does to solve the Global Warming, Oopps, I mean Climate Change crisis.
Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Forget cap and trade. Just tell Nancy and Al to quit flying all over the country at the drop of a hat…that should save some energy!
Posted by: g-mac | June 26, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
It’s interesting. Even when Democrats have the majority, they really don’t because they are all over the map on issues. Republicans, on the other hand, all march, lock-step, the same way, even if it is over a cliff, like so many lemmings. Surely there is some middle ground…
Posted by: DaveM | June 26, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I live in the same town as Al Gore (Nashville) and his utility bill in 2007 was over 30,000 dollars. Really shows how much he actually believes in this cause, the hypocrite.
Posted by: Shayne | June 26, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
since obamas election gun sales are up 38%, ammunition sells as fast as it hits the shelves. whats up…is their a correlation between the two? this is another wealth transfer as well because those below a certain income limit will actually get a rebate, kind of like income tax.one certain way around cap and bling is to MOVE MORE MANUFACTURING OFFSHORE.CHINA IS KICKING OUR BUTS AND THEIR FACTORY PRODUCTION IS UP 50% THIS YEAR> THEY WILL NOT ABIDE TO ANY OF THIS WHICH GIVES THEM ANOTHER ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE.
Posted by: catman | June 26, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
I have been asked time after time by government to “Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country.”
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country. Vote down the spending bills!!!
I lived nine years in my basement until I could finish my home from 1968 until 1978 because I believed in a principle of economics. I know many in my age group that learned to live by an ethical standard of “living within your means.”
The curse of borrowing will soon destroy relationships and creditability.
James
Posted by: James E Reeves | June 26, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
on bloomberg today…china is pushing for a new global currency to replace the dollar.
Posted by: catman | June 26, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
While China amd India pollute the planet, Obama and the Democrats want us to pay more on our power bills and gasoline by their CAP & Trade policy.Is this a plot to destroy what is left of the manufactoring jobs in America?It sure looks like it,vote these clowns out in 2010 and 2012.
Posted by: Johnny L | June 26, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
thank god for the senate, where the fate of this bill will hopefully die.i agree this bill will create lots of jobs…too bad they will all be in china and india and we will buy the goods they make. brilliant
Posted by: catman | June 26, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
We can only hope that good sense will strike this administration before it’s too late. We’ve heard how much it will cost to fix healthcare. We’ve heard the cost of doing nothing. What we haven’t heard is identification of the problem areas causing healthcare to be so expensive. Until our leaders accept the fact that the cause must be identified and repaired, healthcare will remain an unaffordable commodity. Throwing our money at the results of problems without addressing the problems is double dumb behavior.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | June 26, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
This bill is the biggest slush fund ever conceived. Parts of the bill have absolutely nothing to do with “Global Warming”. We, our children and their children are being forced into a third world standard of living.
Posted by: afloatinasea | June 26, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Will Al Gore trade his Jet with the Solar plane and his 10k Sq.ft house for the solar tent to set an example of US?
Posted by: Freedom | June 26, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Will Obama and the likes supplement the pay my husband will loose when the plant inwhich he does the majority of his work closes? I thought not. Oh well, I guess we’ll just let our house go into foreclosure, get ACORN to help us stay in it for free and go on welfare. Think I’m kidding? I’m not. If this bill passes the plant will close and my family will loose one fourth of our income and many others will loose 100% of theirs.
Posted by: notanobamafan | June 26, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
IS IT TRUE THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE THAT CAN LEGALLY SECEDE FROM THIS COUNTRY? IF SO, THEY CAN COUNT ON ME FOR SUPPORT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS COMING NIGHTMARE.
Posted by: Jimbo | June 26, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Dems are gonna reap it at the polls next time around you can take it to the bank. Oh…Obama nationalized them didn’t he? Banks, Autos, Health, now Energy – what’s next?
Posted by: Todd | June 26, 2009, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Sire we should protect our environment… but this carbon tax is one of the biggest scams of the century. It will lead to economic slavery and the ‘nanny state’ and the Obama brigades will intrude in every aspect of our lives (it’s to protect the environment after all!). It will be 1984 meets Brave New World. The US and China and India will have the industrial jobs – because they won’t participate in this cap and trade BS. The American way of life is dying thanks to these globalist a-holes who have no allegiance to the people of The United States of America.
Posted by: Stephen | June 27, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Cap and Trade is just a way for millionairs to become billionaires at the expense of the working man(what else is new?)Al Gore, G.E and Deutchbank are all set to start playing this shell game that will send the rest of us to the poorhouse. Scientists are split on the issue of global warming-many say the earth is cooling so we may end up freezing to death because we surely won’t be able to pay for heat. The majority of voters asked for all of this-I hope that they are happy!
Posted by: jpa555 | June 29, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm