Climate Bill Hanging By Thread in House

Even the CBO shows it will raise electric rates which amount to a tax so for the Democrats to claim they are not for raising taxes is a bunch of bull.

Hey middle class..what ya thinking now? LMAO

what are the dems thinking? merely about their left of the left constituents. eco nuts who want 4.50 a gallon.bailing out unions while you and me suffer, pushing govt health care on everyone EXCEPT UNIONS AND CONGRESS. BY THE WAY WARREN BUFFET SAID YESTERDAY THAT THERE NO ECONOMIC BUMP DUE TO THE STIMULAS. im sure the obamabots will be out here ranting about how if you dont support cap and trade your a racist and this is all bushes fault.

Other than the Heritage Foundation hysterics, estimates for the per household cost range from $100 a year to $180 a year. The cap of 2.5 cents a kWh violation cost for electricity both takes away fear of an energy crisis type bubble and also irritates the irrational environmentalists who think another massive energy bubble would be good.
After the spike in energy prices and the resulting economic damage under the Bush administration, I have a lot of trouble accepting the argument that the free market should be just left alone. The time to get people moving towards using less is 10 years before the next crisis.

catman:” would you rather be paid at a govt sanctioned pay grade or would you rather be compensated for what you really are worth given your hard work and education.”
? What does this have to do with encouraging an efficient infrastructure BEFORE the next time our buddies in the Middle East turn off the taps or China outbids us and sends our economy into convulsions?
Energy carries a large external cost that is not accounted for in the prices paid. For the market to work, energy prices should reflect their true cost. Do you think we’d be spending trillions trying to stabilize the Middle East if we weren’t slaves to their energy sources? Why is that money paid for out of income taxes, rather than allowing the true price signal to be transmit to the market for market optimization?

jhw539: Ditto ‘catman’. As well, you may find the WSJ opinion on A14 today interesting. Britain’s Taxpayer Alliance has crunched those numbers for the carbon-cutting emissions program in effect there for the past few years, let’s not bank on our stats from Heritage Foundation only.

What are these people thinking about?? High cost of gas? In Europe it’s over $8 a gallon and they seem to live quite well. And what good will it be to have low gas prices and no tax on carbon emissions if our children won’t have a planet to live on? People see what’s happening with the climate but, Brother, you ain’t seen nothing yet! Get ready to roast !!

mother earth… have you been to amsterdam lately? europes economy is much worse than ours. i am not naive enough to think that humans can change the envormental mess we have as long as there are 5 billion peole on the planet. china and india are the biggest culprits in true global warming. in fact more damage is done to the atmosphere by methane gas coming from cows than even remotely generated by automobiles. CARBON emmissions from coal fired plants in china and india can be traced to glaciers in north america. we will probably nuke each other before climate change does us in. i would trade a few dead seaguls for keeping people employed in the US.

“God help us please don’t let this pass. People are already struggeling enough”
Right – and we saw with the $5 / gallon gas under Bush how FABULOUS it is to hide the true costs and volatility of energy prices from the market. A 2.5 cent/kWh tax phased in over the next 8 years that encourages efficient use of energy (from home insulation to appropriate cars) is going to hurt those people so much more than a 20 cent a kWh price spike that hits over the course of a few months.

Consumers should see their utility bills drop by 7% in almost ten years. This helps build and expand nuclear power plants. Many in business are fully supporting this.

“The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration has created a task force to advance the use of cap-and-trade regulatory schemes for fisheries.
The “Catch Share Task Force,” announced yesterday, includes 16 NOAA advisers and fisheries experts to shape a system for setting strict catch limits and distributing total catch shares to commercial fishers, usually based on their historical catch. Fishers can then buy and sell their shares” From Scientific American.
Don’t you CONservatives like clean air, water and an abundant supply of fish? You do a pretty good job about talking about the the debt left to future generations what about a decent environment? Oil supplies are not infinite nor is the bounty of the waters…conserve and plan now!

Somebody cut the thread Now!
This bill should be DOA.
It will hurt seniors the most with
higher electricity costs and gas
prices at the pump.
Many Americans struggling to pay their
Mortgages will be devastated by the
Sky High electric bills and increased
gas prices from this bill.
Tell the President, Harry Reid and
Nancy Pelosi to stick their
Liberal Agenda where ther sun don’t
shine! 2012 can’t come soon enough!

ere’s some things this writer conveniently left out:
The DRAFT version of this Bill was 648 pages long!! Now the bill is over 1,100 pages long!!! Is congress going to be asked to push this bill through as quickly as possible again? The draft version was unbelievable in what our legislators were attempting to do. In addition to CO2 limits, it controls what kind of light bulbs you can buy, it places taxes on far more industries than just CO2 emitters, it takes our tax money and allows government to buy up private land (while our government is in debt??), it takes our tax money and funnels it to foreign governments for their global warming schemes. This is the kind of bill that deserves defeat and the sponsors should be removed from office for wasting their time on and our tax money on. It was created by Waxman and Markey, both are career politicians who hold their on personal agendas above the people they are supposed to represent.

Globalwarming is a fraud. Look at Al Gore’s own movie. CO2 rises 800 years AFTER temperature. And it less the .0001%. The only reason CO2 goes up is the enzemes need for photosynthsis don’t work at higher temps. If you look at Al’s graph you will also see that temps go down at the Industrial Revoution and the build up for WW2. If Al was right you would see an increase in temps at those points. They don’t.

Glad to see some conservatives on here. Don’t watch the right hand, watch the left hand. We must vote these pathetic people out who are only in it for themselves. They could care less what Americans want, all they care is about power, money and greed!!