By Jennifer Parker

Jun 11, 2009 5:48pm

Coming Up on ‘This Week’: Kathleen Sebelius and Mitt Romney

Health care reform entered a critical phase in Washington this week, with President Barack Obama trying to rally public support for reform, and contentious draft legislation being hammered out on Capitol Hill.

It's the biggest attempt at overhauling the nation's health care system in the last two decades. 

The battle is fully joined in Washington with Republicans opposing a public insurance plan, civil war brewing among Democratic reformers over key provisions, and interest groups from all sides lobbying lawmakers and fighting for public support.

With us to discuss it all will be Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

Plus, an exclusive interview with former Republican Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

No stranger to the health care debate, Romney signed health reform legislation  into law in his state in 2006.

Plus, the "This Week" Roundtable to discuss all of the week's politics, with George Will, Donna Brazile, National Journal's Ron Brownstein and Kimberley Strassel of the Wall Street Journal.

See you Sunday morning.

–George Stephanopoulos

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“We speak of an American government, but it is in reality an Israeli goverment,whether it is the Pentagon, or the State Department or the CIA, you find that it is the Jews who have the first word inside the American government.Consequently they use America to execute their plans throughout the world”
-Osama Bin Laden, August 2000
George, can you ask your panel,’what is the difference between the rhetoric of Rev Wright, Osama and the guy outside the Holocaust museum the other day?’
How can our President and our First Lady sit in Rev Wright’s church for 20 yrs and not hear his hate speech?

Posted by: J House | June 12, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

A federal health care program first and foremost is strickly forbidden by the Constitution. Secondly, it would drastically reduce the quality and quantity of available health care.

Posted by: John Tatum | June 12, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

NO ! NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH PROGRAM. THIS IS SOCILIZED HEALTH CARE AND OBAMA AND THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON ARE MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
OUR GOVERNEMENT CAN NOT HANDLE THE MANY PROBLEMS AS HAS BEEN PROVEN, OBAMA HAS DONE MORE HARM IN HIS FIRST 199 DAYS………..WE HAVE FAR TO MUCH OBAMA AND INTERFERENCE IN PRIVATE INTERPRISE.
NO TO OBAMA! NO TO HIS PUPPETS AND NO TO MORE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. IT IS NOT WANTED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP TO OBAMA AND HIS RADICAL IDEAS AND HIS TRYING TO LEAD AMERICA INTO A SOCIALIZED COUNTRY. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK !!! WE WILL STOP THESE ACTIONS OR THE ONES WHO VOTE FOR IT MAY NOT HAVE A JOB NEXT TERM.

Posted by: CArole Waltrip | June 13, 2009, 12:35 am 12:35 am

NO TO OBAMA, NO TO HIS HEALTH CARE, and NO TO THOSE WHO VOTE FOR IT ~
AMERICANS ARE WAKING UP, NO TO A SOCIALIZED AMERICA……. AND NO MORE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION INTO PRIVATE ENTERPRISE !

Posted by: CArole Waltrip | June 13, 2009, 12:37 am 12:37 am

You obama read what someone else wrote for you obama and are very incoherent.
Your the one obama that rushed through the ARRA(America Rape and Reaping Act) that has done nothing for
the economy. obamanomics obombed. obama you are the one that rushed
through bailouts for the auto industry when they should of filed
bankrupktcy in the beginning. you obama didn’t inherit elcrapo, you obama
caused 90% of the indebtness and we are sick of your foney rushing lies.
Patty , Maria and Doc you have to stop the rape of the United Staes
Taxpayers or your out in 2010. Its time to stop the horrendous spending
obama has instigated irresponsibility with his incompetence and Sol
Lewinsky foney methods. obama tactics didn’t clean up poverty and crime
in Chicago and his methods won’t stop the government doles on the National
Level. We are sick of the taxpayers be raped by irresponsible Senators
and Congressman that passed energy bill 3 years ago remember obama and
force banks to loan money to unqualified buyers. obama you need to learn to give a speech instead of reading elcrapo words somebody else wrote that
mean NOTHING.

Posted by: jake | June 13, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Why is healthcare such a sacred cow to so many of you?
People throw the word “socialism” around like it actually means something. The fact is that the market forces affecting our health care system are COMPLETELY OUT OF WHACK. They don’t work, just like running public utilities on a completely private profit model doesn’t work. The reason it doesn’t work is precisely because EVERYONE needs access to it; and if everyone needs access to such a basic service, then it needs to be regulated by our elected officials, and we the voters have to hold our officials accountable.
If our electricty, gas, and other public services were as dysfunctional as our healthcare system, everyone would be crying for the government to take over. The fact is that insurance companies are not accountable to the American voter, and they are the only winners in this racket we call American Health Care. The people on this blog sound like they are owned by the insurance companies; what are you guys, on the take?
Can some of you paranoid people give me an example of what you fear with “socialized medicine?” What DO you fear? That you won’t be able to pay for a private plan? That you won’t be able to go get a CT scan if you want one or you won’t be able to hire your own private doctor? Instead of just throwing the word “socialism” around, can someone give us open-minded Americans a couple of examples of what we should be so afraid of? Most of us already have to put up with a bunch of insurance people controlling our access to healthcare, why are you so confident they’ll do a better job than a civil servant that answers to Congress, who in turn answers to the American people?
You know, I was in the Marine Corps for 12 years, and the public-private partnership in Defense seems to work pretty good? I mean you don’t hear people say, we have a “socialized” military. The public-private partnership can always be improved, but it’s a pretty good deal for our nation and the companies that make a handsome profit off of designing new weapon-systems. And I gaurantee you that if there is any waste in defense spending, it comes from the PRIVATE sector, not the socialist PUBLIC sector. So, if done correctly, there will be plenty of healthcare companies that develop state-of-the-art equipment and medicines that will benefit from a public insurance plan that answers to the Congress.
Or let’s look at education? Has socialized, public education robbed me of my right to send a child to private school? Are private schools going out of business in droves because of the presence of public schools? No! I can choose to send my son to private school or public school. The fact that there is a socialist, public school system in America is NOT a threat to any American’s liberty when it comes to educating his/her children?
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This whole paranoid, fear-mongering “socialized medicine” rhetoric is a TOTAL RED HERRING.
The fact is our healthcare system is totally broken and public intervention is long overdue in order to bring down costs and provide care to deserving Americans. If the insurance companies fear that the entrance of a public insurance plan will crush their business, then so be it . . . their business model sucked in the first place because millions of Americans are suffering under this system. Are so many of you blind to this fact? C’mon, everyone knows at least somebody that’s been screwed by an insurance company.
You know, I’m just sick and tired of people who are anti-government trying to make others feel that we’re unAmerican by throwing the word ‘socialism’ around. If all of us red-blooded Americans believe in the creed, “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness,” then we need to elect a government that defends our ability to achieve those liberties. How can you achieve the first liberty of “Life” without access to decent healthcare? I’m sorry, but it’s very unAmerican to treat healthcare as a commodity that is traded on the NY stock exchange.
Capitalism, as an economic theory, isn’t always synonymous with Freedom and Liberty. Many times unchecked capitalism robs hundreds of thousands of people of their American liberties and freedoms . . . our current financial meltdown is evidence of that.
It’s time to turn the page on healthcare and find a better way. The current system sucks, and I don’t hear a better proposal. If we end up getting a public option, and people don’t like it, I’m sure there will be plenty of motivated private companies out there trying to win over the American healthcare consumer; just like there are plenty of private schools out there trying to boost their enrollments … and, oh, you don’t see public schools putting private schools out of business, do you?
People just need to chill out with all this socialist rhetoric.

Posted by: Todd | June 13, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Todd posted some challenges. How about some answers.
Our health care system is not broken. We have the best system in the world. The highest quality, and reaching the most people, even the uninsured. No, it is not perfect. While we need regulations to protect Americans from harm, one ofthe biggest problem with our health care is government involvement.
Next, look at Hilary care of the mid 90,s. The prospect of nation heathcare addedover 50% the the cost of insurance. The number of uninsured as claimed by the Clinton Whitehouse went from 20 million to 40 million. How many Americans will be without access to healthcare. I know I won’t be able to afford the premiums. Doctors will be so loaded down with paperwork they will have little time for patient care.
Finally, as I said before, it is strickly forbidden by the Constitution. And as a former military you should understand the truth that the roll of government is to control our lives, not protect freedom. That is why the Constitution was written to limit government. Nationalized healthcare is not an attempt to protect Americans, but to limit our freedoms

Posted by: John Tatum | June 13, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

George, you need to ask Ms. Sebelius why President appointed Alexia Kelly under her. This woman does not believe in abortion or contraception even for married couples.

Posted by: Tina | June 14, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am

George, Don’t let Mitt say anything about socialist healthcare untill he agrees that we have lost our representative government and need to make changes to get it back.I have one vote, and I cannot quit work to monitor my representatives all day.But corporate lobbists have access to my Reps all day every day. Mitt, corporations exercising influence by putting armies of lobbists through out congress, have made these Corps. fair game and should be treated as an arm of the government since that is where they want to be. Example: Hand puppet Phil Gramm. How did that influence on Uncle Phil by the banks( Total Deregulation) work out???

Posted by: Mike H | June 14, 2009, 8:20 am 8:20 am

I wonder how many who so strongly object to a federal health care OPTION pay for their own health insurance. I am a self-employed CPA and pay $1300 per month for a family plan HMO. If I wanted a PPO where I could go out of network, it would cost between $1900 and $2300 per month. If that is now out of whack, I don’t know what is!!!

Posted by: Rich K | June 14, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am

According to Mitt Romney and George Will, there are hundreds and hundreds of health insurance carriers to provide plenty of competition. The problem is that they all aren’t national providers and aren’t licensed every where. In my area, Long Island, NY, I only have a choice of about a half dozen carriers and that is only because I have a “two-life” group. If I had no employees, my choice of carriers and plans from those carriers would be more restricted.
I love hearing from pundits that think they have the answers, yet don’t have the facts to support those answers.

Posted by: Rich K | June 14, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am

This morning’s roundtable was as biased as I have seen on George’s program. Only Donna Brazile was there to speak for the president on any topic. Health care is very important to our nation and there should be healthy debate. This was not happening this morning. I am so tired of the Republican and conservative talk shows and spokesman constantly criticizing the President. Usually they do so without any alternative. The nation elected President Obama because of the situation our country and let’s give him a chance. Thanks Donna for your good work and please pass on to George this disappointment of someone from KY believe it or not.

Posted by: Sandra Gardner | June 14, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Mitt Romney made the statement that there is plenty of competition among health insurers. Not in our area. The Pittsburgh area has a handful for small business as well as individual coverage. Last year a new insurer came into the area and as my benefit link said-the rates are as high as the existing area providers. All of them have stiff criteria as to who that particular company will even consider covering.There is no competition in this area. They have us by the throat and they all know it. Mitt Romney needs to get real with the average person in other areas of the country and get the facts. He is totally incorrect.

Posted by: JBR | June 14, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Not my comment

Posted by: JBR | June 14, 2009, 10:30 am 10:30 am

How can George Will say there is competition? Has he EVERY tried to get health care. What a joke. What a lame statement. Most plans will insure you and not cover illnesses like cancer. Give me a break. Try to do it in NJ.

Posted by: Sue | June 14, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Ron Brownstein doesn’t know what fee for service is. We haven’t had it for a long time. What the heck is he talking about.

Posted by: Sue | June 14, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am

The Massechusettes plan is hardly a proven success. Even now they are struggling with the cost of the plan.
That said, it’s also hardly a Republican plan. The majority party in the Massechusettes legislature was Democrat at the time the plan was passed.
Some facts: more people have opted into the plan than the plan planned for, so the cost of the plan is higher than expected by about 150 million dollars. The cost of enrolling people into the plan is actually lower than expected at around 2 dollars a head. So the problem of the plan has come down to (or back to) the problem of healthcare cost containment.
The success or failure of the plan depends on Massechusettes’ ability to contain healthcare costs — and the same could be said about the national plan. Without cost containment the plan will fail.
That is why there is an emphasis on cost containment in the current policy talks. That is also why, when Romney says that Massechusettes solved the problem that he is being political instead of honest. The Massechusettes plan is still few years away from being proven out one way or the other and there are a lot of problems that the Massechusettes plan still faces and so the outcome is less than certain.

Posted by: Leslie Mulkey | June 14, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

I encourage people to inform themselves since the media doesn’t. British and the Canadian socialized system have long wait time (months for tests & longer for surgery), poor preventive care, doctor shortages , higher mortality rates and poorer hospital hygiene. When government gets involve they will ration health care. It how it’s done in Brittan and Canada you need a board to decide. Rationing will turn patient doctor decisions into one based on mortality tables and how long some political appointee thinks you might LIVE if they (the government) chose to pay. Why give up your liberty to bureaucrats. These hack politicians just want to control 16% of the economy. It will be packaged as a choice (and cover illegal immigrants to get their votes once their given amnesty) yet push out private health care companies and competition. The government run VA hospital are a mess and Medicaid/Medicare are broke now. Anyone who wants this needs their head examined! This will be a health and financial disaster for America if adopted in the form the President wants.

Posted by: Jim Lawler | June 14, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

George should have pushed the Massachusetts health care with Mitt Romney. It isn’t working because there is lack of competition. Unless insurance companies are FORCED to compete they won’t. I got so angry and listening to the same old Republican lies I had to mute him.
For those of you worried about socialized medicine try getting old with the current system. All your savings is going to go to insurance companies and their premiums. Yes there is insurance out there and yes you can get covered but everything you saved goes to pay the premium. We need a single payer system that allows the underinsured and 50+ person the ability to have an insurance policy that doesn’t drive you into debt. But then again isn’t that what all Republican plans are about. Take your money and leave you on the street.

Posted by: FoCo | June 14, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

ROMNEY LIES!
George, it was appalling that you allowed Romney to lie about Obama’s statement about nuclear power and weapons. Obama clearly was talking about nations being allowed peaceful uses of nuclear power and not nuclear weapons as Romney infused.
Your challenge of Romney’s statement was pathetic!
Romney is a liar! And you enabled the right wing to continue their campaign of hate against Obama.

Posted by: Don Schmitt | June 14, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Did anyone catch the comment by Ms. Strassel that perhaps a democracy in Iraq was the cause of dissent to autocratic rule in Iran? I thought this was a very controversial statement, obviously a thumbs up for the war in Iraq and the ‘Bush Doctrine’ … and also inaccurate.
Ms. Strassel, if you look at exactly how this dissent and this election played out, Mousavi didn’t gain any kind of momentum until late in the campaign and ‘dare I say’, to steal your line, that it was Obama’s reaching out, his willingness for engagement in the place of hard talk, and perhaps his speech in Cairo, which seemingly overnight got a LOT of young Muslims in those parts thinking progressively, thinking about a better way than constant war with the West… ‘dare I say’ it was this that sparked debate and got Mousavi his momentum. Had it indeed been Iraq, Mousavi would have been much more of a threat early on and throughout the campaign… which was not the case at all.

Posted by: Jon Tos | June 14, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

I listen to all the crooks in congress, who have the best insurance in the country paid by us, complain about a president who wants the people to have the same coverage. Here is a great scenario. My employer informed me that though I thought I was on a salary, I was actually an hourly employee. (Funny as we had changed from hourly to salary to escape from overtime pay.) This change back to hourly afforded him to cut hours to 32 per week. This allowed him to drop health care benefits and retirement benefits which he did. When I went to purchase health insurance in the private market, I was denied coverage and referred to the state risk pool, which is unattainable. This is reality and is happening all over the country. All this can be summed up in one word. GREED. That is what I see personally, and I think most of the common people who are funding this government see this as well.

Posted by: Mike Hurley | June 14, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

I think George Will’s comments about the uninsured this week were oversimplified. For instance, he indicated that a family making $75,000 a year could afford health insurance, when that simply isn’t true. Luckily, my husband works for state government and has decent insurance, though the quality goes down and the fight for payment goes up, along with the cost rising each year. But, my greatest concern is if we lose that insurance. When is was just my husband and I (before we had our son), and he changed jobs with a 3-month probationary period and we had to carry COBRA just for the two of us. We paid $800 a month for that coverage. $800 is more than our house payment, twice our car payment, more than any other bill. There is no way that our two-person household at the time making about $100,000/year, could have been able to afford $800 a month indefinitely without dipping into savings and retirement. My point — insurance is incredibly expensive. We were both raised that you don’t give up your insurance, so we would work hard to keep it no matter what sacrifices we had to make. But, I cannot imagine how much more expensive COBRA would be in today’s market and adding a child would just make it that much more expensive. Insurance costs need to get under control and unfortunately the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies and the medical industry (AMA and hospitals, etc) are all fighting for the biggest piece of the pie with little regard in how it affects the average American family’s ability to actually pay for it all. Sure I want the best health care available when our family gets ill….but, as it stands, the best health care available is not only expensive, but we have to fight for every dollar in insurance reimbursement and they have full-time staff people fighting against us. When Obama and others talk about a complete overhaul of the system, that resinates with me because we have insurance and still feel insecure about its future and our ability to afford it.

Posted by: Julie | June 14, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Romney did NOT lie in his statement about Obamas’s comments on nuclear weapons. I went back and re-read Obama’s Cairo speech to check this out.
George was correct in his statement that Obama was talking about nations being allowed peaceful uses of nuclear power. Obama said: “And any nation – including Iran – should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.”
But George was wrong when he challenged Romney’s statement. Obama also said:
“No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons.”
Both these statements were in the same paragraph of Obama’s Cairo speech with Romey’s reference occurring two sentences before George’s.
So what does Obama really mean? He said we can’t tell Iran they can’t have nuclear weapons, but we can tell them they can have peaceful nuclear power. Sounds to me like Obama said Iran can have both. Is he trying to appease everyone, including Iran, at the same time? This is clearly not a good thing when the US public hears only part of what President Obama says. But maybe that’s his strategy.

Posted by: Mary | June 14, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

“But George was wrong when he challenged Romney’s statement. Obama also said:
“No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons.”
Both these statements were in the same paragraph of Obama’s Cairo speech with Romey’s reference occurring two sentences before George’s.
So what does Obama really mean?”
- Perhaps Obama means that we should build a consensus, come together as nations and decide. Perhaps that is what he meant when he said no ONE SINGLE nation should decide.

Posted by: Jon Tos | June 14, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

President Obama was right – talking heads have nothing to contribute TO SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS – what he didn’t say was the reason why – they are usually rich and have no vested interest in anything they are discussing – ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE – THEY ALREADY HAVE GOOD HEALTHCARE- THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT WE (THE PUBLIC) NEED!!. You need to invite – teachers, construction workers, policemen – the REAL PEOPLE – to these roundtree discussions. I WANT PUBLIC HEALTHCARE – I HAVE A PRE EXISTING CONDITION THAT CAN’T DISCUSS WITH MY DOCTOR BECAUSE THEN THEY WON’T PAY!! WHAT KIND OF HEALTHCARE DO YOU THINK I CAN GET BECAUSE I CAN’T BE HONEST WITH MY DOCTORS? I AM WILLING TO PAY THE SAME THING I AM PAYING NOW AND SO ARE MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS SO THAT I CAN GET HEALTHCARE THAT CAN’T BE CANCELLED IF I LOSE MY JOB – HEALTHCARE THAT WILL BE COVERED REGARDLESS OF MY CURRENT HEALTH – FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANITY – WE NEED PUBLIC HEALTHCARE NOW!

Posted by: Kaye | June 14, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am

The air in D.C. must be heady stuff indeed because I listened this morning and heard a lot of high flying theories (based on hot air?) and absolutely nothing that has any meaning or reality to the lives of the majority of us.
After listening to Romney I could only conclude that he feels Reagan made a mistake when he did launch a pre-emptive attack on Russia. The perception of a big tented Republican party that he was trying to create was also unconvincing.
Brazile was waxing poetic about Iran’s possible move to democracy which was ironic to say the least given the way Obama kept Dubya’s repressive and controversial edicts in place.
And Sebelius was trying to convince us that contrary to all the polls and evidence, either we don’t want single payer or we don’t know what we want.
Seriously, you’re so far out of touch with the American people that its neither amusing nor entertaining.

Posted by: jan | June 14, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I just finished watching George’s interview with Mitt Romney. In it Gov Romney said twice that Pres. Obama stated that no country would deny another country the right to a nuclear weapon. This is not what Obama said and Georg new it. Unfortunately, George made only a weak objection to Romneys stated falshood and then moved on. Is this good journalsm? I don’t think so. George should have demanded that Romney site the speech that he wss referring to and then when Romney couldn’t George should have quoted Obama’s speach, where he stated that no country should deny another country the right of nuclear power. Again, George’s objection to Romneys remark was weak and barely noticeable. Not good journalism.

Posted by: David | June 14, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

So what does Obama really mean?
“Perhaps Obama means that we should build a consensus, come together as nations and decide. Perhaps that is what he meant when he said no ONE SINGLE nation should decide. “
So you think he was indirectly confirming that the United Nations has the right to “pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons”?
I think that what he really hopes for is what he said in the sentence between: “That is why I strongly reaffirmed America’s commitment to seek a world in which no nations hold nuclear weapons.” I just hope he doesn’t make the US the first nation to give them up because I think this is an unrealistic pipe dream.

Posted by: Mary | June 14, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

I think that whenever people get caught up in semantics they miss the bigger point. No nation, nor nations coming together for that matter, should “pick and choose” who gets nukes and who doesn’t.
The Nuclear Proliferation Treaty has jurisdiction here. But sanctions can’t be brought only by the U.S. Nor can it be JUST US calling for them on the floor of the UN Sec Council. It’s about consensus building. That’s the big idea. The longer we “pick and choose” people’s words and try to twist them the worse we are ALL going to be

Posted by: Jon Tos | June 14, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

The Republicans do not understand that it is not President Obama that wants a public plan. It is the PUBLIC! We have heard talk about “sweeping health care reform for the last forty years. It has never happened. We went from having health insurance through our employers to having NO health insurance through our employers, from having to choice to having NO choice, from having good health care, to having NO health care. We are sick of it. The costs and the premiums have only gone up year after year and our coverage has only gone down.
The only reason that the insurance companies and the corporate greed mongers are even talking to Washington about health care reform now is because they know if they don’tthat they will be on the outside looking in.
We want the same coverage that Congress and the Senate have. We deserve it. We pay for it. There is a way to do it, we just have to want to do it. People don’t have health coverage because they cannot afford it. The co-pays were too high, the coverage was indadequate and there are big gaps in the out of pocket non-covered expenses.
Your employer used to offer you a great plan, a good plan, and a bargain plan, now they offer you the cheapest plan, if they offer it at all. That’s why the system is broken. Fix it.

Posted by: lemerba | June 14, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

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