I guess we’re all wondering if congress knows what they’re doing, or not.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 12:09 am 12:09 am
So lets get it, when Americans oppose ‘innocent people’ being resettled in America, or imprisoning the terrorists in American jails, Obama is to blame?
Tapper why not ask the relevant question. What are Americans afraid of?
The Hague that has housed hundreds of war criminals is in a small country within a city, and they are yet to have break out? It just shows all those gun totting, chest thumping big guys are cowards……
Posted by: Bill | June 13, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Terry- I think it’s time for the Mousavi people to admit defeat in the Iranian elections, don’t you?
I don’t know, Terry, there seemed to be a lot of ‘publicity’ that Mousavi would ‘win’and change Iran, or else the USA could never work with Iran. Then when it looked like he might actually win, there was a lot of ‘publicity’ that if Mousavi won, there would be no way the USA could work with Iran. Then when Ami-Nejad won, there was a lot of ‘publicity’ that he didn’t actually ‘win’. Now that it looks like Ami-Nejad actually won, there is a lot of ‘publicity’ that the USA can’t work with Iran. Anyway you look at it, there seems to be a lot of ‘publicity’ that the USA can’t work with Iran. But now you’re telling me that the Iranian election never mattered anyway? So I guess it doesn’t matter to you if Obama goes ahead and looks for ways to work with Iran?
Also, I think it’s in our national interest for public officials to make a strong statement that we really don’t have any credible evidence at this point that the election was anything other than fair, but if such evidence should come to light, we would make that case. Instead, they are watching the media syndicates tear down our relation-building efforts with the middle-east before they’ve even begun, on the most scanty observations. If I thought the stories being plastered all over our headlines were doing any good for Israel whatsoever, I would probably not be so much against them.
I think the next big story will be when one of the detainees gains entry into the U.S. .. regardless of the circumstances.. there will be a huge backlash..
But as it is, I’m starting to turn on Israel’s conflict stirring AIPAC machine. The only thing holding back my wrath is the idiocy of our public officials, taking a great oppportunity to engage the middle east in a meaningful way, securing a prosperous future for the USA as well as Israel, and letting it fall through their hands through failure to make a clear statement of initial support for the Iranian process.
Nope, nothing worth responding to. Just some more insane contradictions (Mousavi is not a moderate, but the Ahiatolla endorses Ami-Nejad anyway…wacko clerics…to think otherwise goes beyond stupidity…etc). I wouldn’t mind your contradictions, Terry, but the fact that they continue to make our headlines look like the basket-case babblings of hell-bent militant psychosis, and are creating a conflict with our administration’s stated objectives and global interpretations of our willingness to work openly makes your kind of thinking a little too influential at the moment. I suppose the kids on the streets in Iran might recognize that they’re being used against their own objectives, but that goes for a lot of political bodies over here, too.
Anyway, Lord willing those youthful energies will find their way into constructive activity before too long, and a new engagement with the leadership will help, rather than prevent, that process.
Iran now has to be concerned more than ever with it’s own people, the public perception there that the election was fixed, and the brutal response of the police to their own citizens will never go away, they sow the seeds of their own revolution.
Posted by: 1776 | June 14, 2009, 1:13 am 1:13 am
1776- I think you’re right that this election will guide the future of old and young in Iran for some time to come. But on the brutality…I just saw a clip of British police clearing Iranian protests from in front of the Iranian embassy in London that looked as brutal. And many of the Iranian police looked like they were getting the worst end of the stick. MY God, that wouldn’t happen here if riots like that broke out. I’m a fan of law and order and a fan of individual spirit and initiative. IT looks to me like Iran is rich in both, and with a little western infrastructure, they should be excelling together instead of in conflict. But I guess they’re not the only ones that are easily divided, left and right.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
I am far from a cultural expert on Iran, but there seems to be a sizable segment of the population, at least around the urban areas, a movement for more individual rights and freedoms, I don’t know how that affects the religious and cultural aspects of those involved, when people take to street en masse, it means something, especially when they take to the streets against a repressive regime.
Hopefully, the rest of the world will learn more about what’s happening there as time goes by.
Posted by: 1776 | June 14, 2009, 1:36 am 1:36 am
1776- It means they can’t have sex until they’re married, and they can’t get married without a house, and they can’t get a house without decent zoning plans and financial infrastructure. And there is a real problem getting decent financial infrastructure to jive with some of the clerical interpretations of Islam. So they either take to the streets or make little rocks out of big rocks. Human Energy. We are all natural animals as well as human beings. Oh, and they can’t drink either, so that’s out for a tranquilizing option. I think solutions agreeable to even the most conservative clerics can be found for all of these difficulties in keeping with Islam. I hope they take some of our future possible (hopefully creative and wise) suggestions at least into consideration.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Planning and zoning, and a financial policy regime are the minimum requirements for a stable system, apart from the enforcement, which they already do well. There’s no reason they can’t maintain a high moral standard with those minimums for stability.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:06 am 2:06 am
…for stability AND continuous individual opportunity for property.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:10 am 2:10 am
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I guess we’re all wondering if congress knows what they’re doing, or not.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 12:09 am 12:09 am
So lets get it, when Americans oppose ‘innocent people’ being resettled in America, or imprisoning the terrorists in American jails, Obama is to blame?
Tapper why not ask the relevant question. What are Americans afraid of?
The Hague that has housed hundreds of war criminals is in a small country within a city, and they are yet to have break out? It just shows all those gun totting, chest thumping big guys are cowards……
Posted by: Bill | June 13, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Terry- I think it’s time for the Mousavi people to admit defeat in the Iranian elections, don’t you?
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I don’t know, Terry, there seemed to be a lot of ‘publicity’ that Mousavi would ‘win’and change Iran, or else the USA could never work with Iran. Then when it looked like he might actually win, there was a lot of ‘publicity’ that if Mousavi won, there would be no way the USA could work with Iran. Then when Ami-Nejad won, there was a lot of ‘publicity’ that he didn’t actually ‘win’. Now that it looks like Ami-Nejad actually won, there is a lot of ‘publicity’ that the USA can’t work with Iran. Anyway you look at it, there seems to be a lot of ‘publicity’ that the USA can’t work with Iran. But now you’re telling me that the Iranian election never mattered anyway? So I guess it doesn’t matter to you if Obama goes ahead and looks for ways to work with Iran?
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
And I didn’t mean to get too far off topic, but it was only because you mentioned these kinds of shows.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Also, I think it’s in our national interest for public officials to make a strong statement that we really don’t have any credible evidence at this point that the election was anything other than fair, but if such evidence should come to light, we would make that case. Instead, they are watching the media syndicates tear down our relation-building efforts with the middle-east before they’ve even begun, on the most scanty observations. If I thought the stories being plastered all over our headlines were doing any good for Israel whatsoever, I would probably not be so much against them.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I think the next big story will be when one of the detainees gains entry into the U.S. .. regardless of the circumstances.. there will be a huge backlash..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 13, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
But as it is, I’m starting to turn on Israel’s conflict stirring AIPAC machine. The only thing holding back my wrath is the idiocy of our public officials, taking a great oppportunity to engage the middle east in a meaningful way, securing a prosperous future for the USA as well as Israel, and letting it fall through their hands through failure to make a clear statement of initial support for the Iranian process.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Maybe we Americans are too stupid for self-government. Good luck AIPAC, enjoy your victory.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Gee, Terry, look how fast your response came up to that! Let me look at it, and see if there’s anything worth responding to.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Nope, nothing worth responding to. Just some more insane contradictions (Mousavi is not a moderate, but the Ahiatolla endorses Ami-Nejad anyway…wacko clerics…to think otherwise goes beyond stupidity…etc). I wouldn’t mind your contradictions, Terry, but the fact that they continue to make our headlines look like the basket-case babblings of hell-bent militant psychosis, and are creating a conflict with our administration’s stated objectives and global interpretations of our willingness to work openly makes your kind of thinking a little too influential at the moment. I suppose the kids on the streets in Iran might recognize that they’re being used against their own objectives, but that goes for a lot of political bodies over here, too.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Anyway, Lord willing those youthful energies will find their way into constructive activity before too long, and a new engagement with the leadership will help, rather than prevent, that process.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 13, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Iran now has to be concerned more than ever with it’s own people, the public perception there that the election was fixed, and the brutal response of the police to their own citizens will never go away, they sow the seeds of their own revolution.
Posted by: 1776 | June 14, 2009, 1:13 am 1:13 am
1776- I think you’re right that this election will guide the future of old and young in Iran for some time to come. But on the brutality…I just saw a clip of British police clearing Iranian protests from in front of the Iranian embassy in London that looked as brutal. And many of the Iranian police looked like they were getting the worst end of the stick. MY God, that wouldn’t happen here if riots like that broke out. I’m a fan of law and order and a fan of individual spirit and initiative. IT looks to me like Iran is rich in both, and with a little western infrastructure, they should be excelling together instead of in conflict. But I guess they’re not the only ones that are easily divided, left and right.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
I am far from a cultural expert on Iran, but there seems to be a sizable segment of the population, at least around the urban areas, a movement for more individual rights and freedoms, I don’t know how that affects the religious and cultural aspects of those involved, when people take to street en masse, it means something, especially when they take to the streets against a repressive regime.
Hopefully, the rest of the world will learn more about what’s happening there as time goes by.
Posted by: 1776 | June 14, 2009, 1:36 am 1:36 am
1776- It means they can’t have sex until they’re married, and they can’t get married without a house, and they can’t get a house without decent zoning plans and financial infrastructure. And there is a real problem getting decent financial infrastructure to jive with some of the clerical interpretations of Islam. So they either take to the streets or make little rocks out of big rocks. Human Energy. We are all natural animals as well as human beings. Oh, and they can’t drink either, so that’s out for a tranquilizing option. I think solutions agreeable to even the most conservative clerics can be found for all of these difficulties in keeping with Islam. I hope they take some of our future possible (hopefully creative and wise) suggestions at least into consideration.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Planning and zoning, and a financial policy regime are the minimum requirements for a stable system, apart from the enforcement, which they already do well. There’s no reason they can’t maintain a high moral standard with those minimums for stability.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:06 am 2:06 am
…for stability AND continuous individual opportunity for property.
Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | June 14, 2009, 2:10 am 2:10 am