Graham: ‘Government-Run’ Health Care Won’t Pass Senate

I certainly can agree with Senator Graham that the Republicans will be in lock step against any useful Public Option. But maybe we Dem’s can peel a few of them off with compromises, while still maintaining the efficacy of the plan. The patients on a ventilator right now though and if we lose any more Dem’s, it’s curtains.

It was reported that the New York Times ran a survey which showed that 57% of those polled favored a tax increase to pay to health care reform. However it is my understanding that over 50% of Americans do not pay Federal income tax. Is the survey fatally defective and misleading ? Does the survey just confirm that Americans would like someone else to pay for health care reform ?

“The reason you’re not going to have a government run health care pass the Senate is because it would be devastating for this country,” Graham (said) Sunday in an exclusive “This Week” interview.
No, the reason is a bunch of very well-off, fully government-insured politicians are being obstructionist and thinking about their next re-election campaign instead of doing what the majority of Americans want them to do……..

I would be interested in who were the 72% polled who favored Government Health care.As I have never been polled by anyone, I would like to know just who are voicing opinions that others would use to justify government health care. Remember, Medicare/Medicaid are broke- we really need another entitlement program to destroy any chance our grandchildren will be able to pay off the debt we are leaving them. I am against Government Controlled Healthcare just look at England and Canada. Long waits for care ie 4 months or more for an MRI in England. If you want it sooner, than you pay out of your own pocket. Canada decides how many of each kind of operations are permitted each year and you go on waiting list. Might be this year, maybe the next or even the year after. IS this the care we want-rationed care. Seniors find that many medicines and operations are denied them because of cost effectiveness base on their age. IS this what we really want.

We need a government option for health care like we need to become another sad sack European social welfare country.
I disagree with Graham on several issues but this one he is right and this notion that government will be more efficient is utter nonsense. We will have rationing and worse care. Just ask your doctor.
Since when has the government done anything well.
Wake up America! Wake up George and stop being so biased on your own show and start looking at facts which is something liberal hate. Facts and reason are their enemy as no honest reasonable person would look at this issue and decide the government could fix it by running it.

Beth -
I know people who favor a public option for health care and none that favor that have taken the time to study its real impact.
Who are these 72%? Good question. I don’t believe it. No one has ever asked me but I do know a few things about polling and if they let me conduct the poll and write the questions and determine who participants are selected…I could create an entirely different result.
The only polls that matter are conducted in November and the Democrats have decided that have a mandate when they clearly don’t as they picked up a few % points in the last two elections due to an unpopular war and a descending economy…not because America wants another government program to interfere in their lives.

Wake up America…Vote these creeps trying to turn our country into another lousy European Socialist pile of excrement out of office.
Their systems have failed.
We will too if we copy them.
Who in their right mind would copy failure?

Susan,
I am a democrate and I could’nt see myself fro for this slickster again. Your :)

IF WE DON’T HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION IN HEALTH CARE, PRICES WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GO HIGHER, COMPANIES THAT NOW PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THERE WILL BE MILLIONS MORE WITH OUT INSURANCE AND DRIVING UP PRICES EVEN FURTHER. MAYBE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WILL BE THE NEXT.

Mr Graham, 72% of americans want health care reform and are willing to pay extra for it. Stop saying it will be like Canada and England because it won’t. The people will have a choice, a fact that you try to avoid. This plan can be worked out and this is the time to drop your anger at losing and do something worthwhile.

Deab – You said “How can Sen. Graham sit there with his fully paid goverment health ins. and say to the american people that they do not deserve the same health care plan if they wish.”
First off if you knew anything you would know that healthcare for Congressmen is not 100% paid for by the government.
Don’t know what Senator Graham has for a health plan but I can say that as a member of Congress he has access to any of the plans used by all Federal Government employees. Since passage of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1983 members of Congress have been required to utilize the Federal Employees Health Benefit (FEHB) program for health insurance. If a member of Congress has any health insurance other than that provided through FEHB then they have paid for it out of their own pocket, not the government.
Based on this data we can say that what Senator Graham has for his healthcare is not a public option government run health plan it is access to government negotied group insurance plans. It is insurance provided through one of several insurance palns to choose from which is available in the state he lives in. If you desire to see the plans available then just Google FEHB.
If the government were to open these plans to the public the monthly premiums for a family plan would roughly be between $425.00 and $1300.00, for an individual the monthly premium would roughly be between $177.00 and $550.00. One of the differences in the plan costs is the level of benefits provided and the amount the patient pays when receiving healthcare. To me this would be a viable option as the government would not have to make a large outlay to open these plans to the public and they already negotiate the cost and benefits each year with the plan providers.
1. What do you think the monthly premium for a family should be?
2. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket when you visit a Doctor?
3. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket for a months supply of a generic drug? A brand-name drug?
4. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket for a visit to a hospitial?
5. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket to have an X-ray performed on your rib cage?
6. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket for a dental check-up and cleaning? How many per year should be covered by insurance?
7. What do you think you should have to pay out of your pocket to vist an optromitist for an vision exam? How much do you think the insurance should pay for eyeglasses? How many pair per year? Should they pay for no-line bifocals? Custom tinted lenses?

It seems to me that we already have government run health plan which is run by the insurance companies as representatives of the government! I have good insurance but do I have any say so in my health care?
Can I choose acupuncture instead of surgery? Can I get a massage instead of 30 Valiums? Am I paying for all the uninsured people from the United States and other countries whether I like it or not?! Is my insurance premium higher because of all the costs that are NOT paid by poor people who can not afford insurance and go to the emergency for everything from a cut on their arm to a heart attack? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING – WE ARE ALL BLEEDING TO DEATH!

I can appreciate (not like) how politicians like Chris Dodd are non responsive to questions. Like most, Dodd offered no specifics, detail or remedy other than to repeat “we must reduce cost”. Heck, we’ve known that for decades.
To have a press related panel repeat the same thing? Geesh George, who are you inviting to chair the panel? Maybe your panel should include those in the trenches: from the blue collar auto worker to corporate CEOs.
Lets see the facts and start a national dialog on resolutions:
In short… Doctors can earn as little as $110K annually – hopefully most are earning more. Yet, at $135 for a fifteen minute office visit, medical facilities are earning $540 per Hour. A single doctors insurance is still relatively low at about $80K annually.
Where the heck is the money going?
George, the show, your guest and panels are digressing. The subject matter has become a rant of ill-advised content. If your guest can’t come to the table with facts and suggestion, where’s the entertainment or more “the education”?
Will you ever simply call a politician “Non-Responsive” and move on. Your audience does and for them its “changing channels”. And then what? So much for those advertising dollars.

CLEVELAND (my home), DETROIT, CHICAGO, WASHINGTON AND BALTIMORE AMONG OTHERS HAVE BEEN IN THE CRAP PILE FOR YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS. GUESS WHAT POLITICAL PARTY HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF THOSE CITIES FOR YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS?? NOW THESE INCOMPETENTS ARE IN CHARGE OF THE FED. ANY BETS ON HOW SUCCESSFUL GOV. RUN HEALTH CARE WILL BE? DUH!!

Beth, perhaps UK and Canada’s health care isn’t one to opt for…but France and Germany does not have the issues you mentioned…why are they capable of taking care of their citizenry without rationing( I have relatives who live there so don’t bother to tell me otherwise).

Jake – You said “Well, if Sen. Graham is so sincere about not wanting “government” health care, then he should give up his own health care which is paid for, guess who…the government. He has the best health care that government and taxpayers can pay for, but he wants the average American not to have the same?”
Go read my earlier post and get educated, you are 100% wrong on this statement. Get educated before you go making incorrect statements.

Tell Sen. Graham to give up his government and taxpayer paid health benefits if he has any integrity. All these Republicans want to deny the average American the same health care coverage that he and his worms all enjoy at the expense of the government. Such hypocrits, they don’t pay or pay very little for their health care coverage, but heaven forbid if others can have the same freebie.

JohnO: And the USA, you surmise for profit is better? Sorry but it’s all about the bottom line…faulty equipment services many of us, $50.00 bucks for a bed pan, $20 bucks for a bar a soap…yep we’re getting quality…work behind the scenes…less staff more patient work load, can’t find a working blood pressure cuff…yep quality one can count on…

We have roughly 300 million Americans. The claim is that there are 45 million — 15% — with no health insurance. This leaves approximately 255 million Americans, or 85%, with health insurance.
According to a 2006 ABC News-Kaiser Family Foundation-USA Today survey. It was found that 89% of Americans were satisfied with the quality of their own health care.
Don’t need a public option, the federal government needs to demonstrate to the public that they can sucessfully operate Medicare which they never have in all of the years they have been funding it. Once this is shown and we can get an idea of the true cost (I don’t believe it is anywhere near what the folks in Congress are telling us, way higher) then a informed decision can be made.

Is you want a free ride medical plan, get a job where that’s provided. I don’t want medical treatment at a public hospital, because the care I’d receive would be minimalist. I know, from experience. I take a back seat to those wanting their public care abortions, their public care drug detox, their public care HIV treatments, etc. My feeling is if Ted Kennedy wants public-this and public-that all expenses paid, he can start by turning the Kennedy compound at Hynannis Port into a public housing facilty —- high end of course —- and run medical tests for the poor and needy there —- followed by a day of sun on the beach for visitors to heal their poor arthritic bones. What Kennedy wants is for the public to pay for the poor. He would never take the poor in himself. Up yours, Mr. Chappaquiddick, should’ve been in prison for life but bought out the D.A. with his family name and money.

Thank you, Senator Graham!
This Health Care boondogle is just an attempt to grab resources from the private sector. It needs to end now.
Create some public health urgent cares for people who don’t have insurance, on a trial basis, and see what kind of quality care they get.. then if it’s a huge success, expand it. But don’t require or mandate people to have health insurance.. that’s not right in a free country. And don’t fiddle with people’s private insurance. Allow Medicare to be totally optional for those that have private insurance.. that will save millions!

George Will’s hypocrisy knows no bounds. He decries a public option and single-payer plans for healthcare but loves his Meidcare – a single-payer, public plan. If he were true to his Conservative, free-market beliefs; he would drop his Medicare coverage and opt for a private plan. Perhaps he would then understand the plight of the 70% of Americans covered or not by private insurance.
As a self-employed American, my wife and I pay $14,000/year for HSA plans that require additional deductibles of $3000 each. We shell-out up to $20,000 before our benefits take effect. I guarantee that George Will’s premiums would be over $2000/month plus deductibles.
I have worked in Sweden and Finland and know a bit about their systems. They have single-payer insurance that is funded through taxes. Everyone has health coverage from cradle to grave. They also have private insurance available for those who want to pay for private care. They do not have waiting lines for urgent care. They may have to wait for a hip replacement, but that is rarely an emergent procedure. The GOP flatly lies about programs provided by most European governments.
Perhaps George Will should venture outside the boundaries of the US and his insular world to see how others live.

The glaringly obvious reply to this would be to vote Mr. Graham and other like minded people irregardless of party affiliation out of office at the first opportunity.
Posted by: jan
Yes, and fortunately Obama has created 2 billion new jobs, additionally. So finding a new job would not be a problem.

News to all those saying health care in Europe and Canada is socialized health care. None of you critics lived in any of those countries. You are a lying set on no good people who repeat garbage.
I know as a fact that English person living in any other country WILL return home for medical treatment. That’s a fact!
Any congressional person who is against universal health care should give up their’s immediately and includes Graham.
They should pay out of their own pockets and not a penny from tax payers.
The ignorance of Americans who are brain washed by certain sectors or negative media is a huge mistake. All those against health care are the ones who are in good health but wait a few years and they’ll be crying for medicare assistance.
I hope you all are saying at least half million to pay for your own because in less than ten years; there will be no medicare for you to rely on. Good going ignorant, selfish evil-dores! Good going!
I have health care through my job but I know people who have similar plans that does not cover one half the expence. You would think paying 800 monthly should cover you; think again but then, wait until you are truly in need then you’ll wish you lived in England or Canada.

The glaringly obvious reply to this would be to vote Mr. Graham and other like minded people irregardless of party affiliation out of office at the first opportunity.
Posted by: jan
Fortunately, Obama has created 2 billion new jobs, so finding new employment should not be a problem.

George S. is an idiot. I will forget the This Week, ever watching it! And then technical side of the ABC is a web of confusion. I do not need to be politically programed by George!

As part of the new heath care overhaul, the government ought to subsidize various health insurance pools that greatly promote prevention and better disease management. I believe, instead of larger government run health insurance, the government ought to subsidize private health insurance pools. Perhaps big profits could be awarded to these health insurance pools that create effective health education programs.
I was visiting my aging parents, they changed health coverage, and an agent came by to their home to update their Medicare supplement insurance. There should be an added incentive for these health insurance companies to promote prevention and better disease management. This way, there would be an incentive for health educators to be sent to patients’ homes as well as the agent.
Let us subsidize health insurance companies to make home health care visits from nurses, nutritionists and health educators with competitive monetary rewards. They could be given monetary incentives for health professionals to bring pamphlets and perhaps DVDs to drop off with patients and their family members. Nutritionists could drop off coupons to healthy foods and healthy foods cookbooks to family members to make the visit worthwhile. These health professionals could be the initial people for new clients to see before the agent closes the deal with patients.
Perhaps after an initial trial period, an audit could be done to see which health care provider caused the most clients to lose weight or quit smoking. Then, the government could make another competitive very lucrative award, to these health care providers.
This way money could be awarded on a competitive basis to help reduce overall health care costs through prevention and better disease management. Yet the government would not be the sole provider of health insurance with all the trappings like the Republicans have been pointing out. Then perhaps the Democrats and Republicans can both sign onto this idea by promoting competition in the private sector with lucrative subsidies. Thus find better ways for patients to take better care of them selves and reduce overall health care costs for all.

So Obama is making ‘secret drug deals’ with the drug manufacturers and having closed meetings like the Bush administrationwith big oil to get his Health Care bill passed and this is ok??? He had these same type meetings with the coal industry too! I am sure he had other secret meetings with the auto manufacturers. What ever happened to ‘government transparency’ Mr Obama? He is such a liar and a fool and quite a big spender on all the wrong people and things. I am sure Hitler and Stalin also had many ‘secret meetings’ too! Obama is a liar and says whatever he thinks the democrats want to hear!I have an answer! Outlaw tobacco and legalize marijuana! Plain and simple. 1. It will create jobs in America and cigarette companies can retool to sell pot. Open coffeehouses and sell it in general at liquor stores and outlets (while taxing it) 2. It will improve the healthcare of the USA as many millions less people a year will die from cigarette smoking. No need to retool the healthcare system. 3. It would cut the profits of Mexican and other drug cartels by like 50% (just like GM)!!!! Its really that simple people it will save the USA billions and law enforcement can concentrate on real drugs and drug dealers who sell cocaine, crack, and heroin etc. The problem is states and municipalities make too much money busting people for plain old pot and will fight it tooth and nail!

I’m glad that the Rebulicans and some of the Democrats in the Senate are beging to pay attention to two of my favorite quotes.
“I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.”
– — Thomas Jefferson
“Until the National Debt is paid off, the other problems facing our country will remain unsolved. Compound Interest is the ‘Eighth Wonder Of The World’ and it can bring a nation to its knees.”
– — C. Morgan Cofer

I’m just glad that the Republicans have re-discovered the virtue of economy. It was apparently quite lost during the 4 trillion dollars that W. ran up. Alas, if there is a weapon the country can buy, they will certainly be more than happy to pony-up for that.

The President claims health care costs will kill businesses yet he pans to tax businesses to pay for his health plan and that is on top of the having the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. So if health care costs don’t kill business he’ll make sure his tax plan does.

Well, if the plan is done right. It should help reduce the cost of health care insurance that employers provide to employees. This should help employers. Also, with Universal coverage, it will mean better preventative care. Which also should benefit employers with employees taking less sick days.

Yes, that about describes the Republican health plan to a tee. Passive-eugenics. Or in other words, they wait long enough all the chronically ill people will die. Leaving just those that have good health care insurance. They are quite brilliant, the little aristocratic buggers.

We can’t afford government run health care. We just don’t have the money. It costs too much money to run……………………………………………….what, you want to start another useless war? It will cost trillions? Yes yes yes, always plenty of money for that. Let’s give non-bid contracts to a company the V.P. use to run. We have money to burn for this. Nothing to too much for a needless war!

Actually, we can’t afford not to have a government plan that competes with the private plans. Because, the private health insurance plans have proven that they cannot contain their own costs.

JohnO: I guess the U.S. papers take a different daily slant: WE NEED REFORM, U.K. and Canada are brethren…what of the other European countries such as Germany and France…their health care system is great..I guess it is easier to lump all socialized medicine countries into one pot..but the countries that do have successful universal care…we should at least analyze theirs and decide if some aspects would take root well here…and besides it is coming…it’s a matter of when…I think the voting public has had enough of the issue not being tackled!

There isn’t nationalized health care to the degree some are thinking. But what might come out of this, is a government plan, that helps with competition. I mean, I certainly agree a single-payer system where the government is the payer is best. We have to be realistic though, no such plan could pass Congress. Nor is there any politician, at least at the senior level, currently advocating such a plan.

Haywire – Couldn’t have said it better.

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The Republicans are so far off base on this issue, and they are too stupid to be able to tell. We WILL have Government health-care in this country, with or without them (preferable without) because that IS what real civilized societies do for their people. I love how they point to Canada and Europe, claiming that their HC systems are “failures” yet, the people there are OVERWHELMING satisfied with their healthcare. People here pay exorbitant amounts and are STILL not satisfied. This is the status quo the GOP are defending. What a bunch of hypocritical morons, with their “government run” coverage for them and their families. Gee- it works ok for them, doesn’t it? Oh, and by the way, the only “bureaucrat between me and my doctor” are the insurance companies who refuse to pay for anything.
Your days are numbered, GOP members.
Posted by: Lola | Jun 21, 2009 2:57:33 PM
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Lola… you apparently do not understand that there are a lot of independent thinkers who actually care about the future. Throwing everyone that disagrees with you platitudes and generalities shows your ignorance and arrogance. BTW: you should research the Canadian and UK health system before making a blanket statement about entire populations approval of their health care systems, as you are WRONG.

I certainly support a Public Option. Without one, it’s just a beautiful birthday cake for private insurer’s. And there is absolutely zero possibility of getting to Universal coverage without a Public Option. And, even then, the Public Option can’t be neutered by the private insurance companies. In other words, not allowed to be competetive with them.

A vast majority of Americans support a public option. Only the far right idealogues and the insurance industry oppose it. Folks – get off your ideological band wagon and support what works. We all know our current system is broken and dysfunctional and men, women and children are dying because of it.

Somebody commented “The British and Canadian papers online are filled with almost daily examples of the horrors of nationalized health care. Americans are so stupid and insular that they don’t bother to read anything but our Obama worshiping media. We are so used to choice and options and the best care in the world that it is going to come as a huge shock to be told that it will be three weeks before you can see a GP about those chest pains, and an additional 6 months before you can see a cardiologist. Waiting lists, inadequate care, and government bureaucracy are the standard in these countries where the feds dictate what you get.” I read Canadian papers everyday, along with BBC web. I don’t see what the person who made the comment see at all. All I see is another piece of propaganda- never mind propaganda- the comment is an outright lie. I know a poll isn’t a vote- but the American people just got treated the same way by a demagogue as the Iranian people have been treated all this week. Finally a chance to stand up and say, yes, we care about our disadvantaged neighbors and if we must, we’ll pay a bit more tax. That’s glorious because it takes the country into the ranks of a modern, industrial society and puts it back up front where it belongs. This senator, this representative of the “people” knows the truth; nobody is so stupid as to miss the stats that say all the other countries with health care are surging ahead in life expectancy and overall health- not just the upper crust. He’s lying to everyone and you all know it! Or maybe he is that stupid? Or maybe in someone’s back pocket? Just plain sick to hear because whatever the reason, he and those like him, with their own selfish interests at heart, are literally willing to let people die. That is happening right now.

What makes any sane person think that the government can manage health care. Look at what the government has done to Social Security, Medicare, Public Housing, and now AIG. With this kind of a track record they have proven that they aren’t even capable of successfully operating the local burger stand. To start with where will the money come from and not cause an increase to the government debt any more than it is? In his first 132 days in office Obama has increased the debt of the government by 694.2 Billion dollars. At this rate he will increase the debt of the Government by 1.9 Trillion dollars in his first year alone and 7.6 Trillion dollars by the end of his 4 year term in office. If he is elected for a second term with the same rate of spending then the government debt will increase by 15.3 Trillion dollars. Since the debt owed by the Government was 10.6 Trillion dollars when he took office an additional 7.6 Trillion will almost double the debt in just 4 years to 18.3 Trillion dollars and at the end of his second term it will have increased to an unthought-of 26 Trillion dollars. The interest alone on this amount of debt will consume more than half of the entire federal budget. This does not even include what Obama wants to put into healthcare which has been estimated may actually cost upwards of 1.6 Billion dollars. This is money that the Government does not have and cannot conceivably have without raising taxes to the point where everyone in the country will be paying a much higher tax rate than they are currently paying. No matter how you want to put it any healthcare reform will require government involvement which will lead to required government spending so the money is an important issue, if it’s not there then healthcare will have to wait until such time as it is available. Obama promised change but this is ridiculous he makes all who came before him look minor on their spending while in office. Time to stop spending and do what should have been done long ago, cut spending which is not specifically authorized in article 1 of the constitution.
There is NO money for healthcare, there is NO money for education reform or any other dreams in the upcoming budget. Look at what the government has done to Social Security, Medicare, Public Housing, and now AIG.

How can there be no money for anything? Best I can tell bills are still being passed, taxes are still being collected, and all goes on pretty much since it did from the beginning. It’s hard not have money when the government ownds the printing press.

I would like to comment on this morning show!
Everyone thinks Congress is going to be paying for health care. Not true. Congress works for the American people and 76% of the American people want a public health care system.
What Congress forgot was, it is not their opinions. The people WANT IT! So congress should be doing their best to deliver it.
By the way those scare tactics about Americans waiting to be seen by a doctor or dentist, WE ALREADY DO. Just ask any woman who tries to get in to see her Gynecologist or her Childs Pediatrician. Why do the Republicians always have to lie about an issue that’s not putting money in their pockets. 76% of the American people want a public health care system. Congress works for us not themselves. It is not their opinion that counts it is the American people’s opinion that counts here. Congress is not paying for this health care bill. We The People Are! It’s time to find out which Senators are going to stand up for Americans and those who are going to just put more money in their own pockets. Any Senator who does not vote for public health care should be fired, recalled, laid off, their insurance taken away, no pensions, shammed, and never again be allow to represent anyone or any state ever AGAIN!

I tried argument about the National Debt to my college economics professor when Reagan was running up two trillion dollars worth. He felt it was irrelevent unless the country is unable to pay the interest payments. Then, of course, it’s Katie-bar-the-door.

Whenever I see the name “Baucus” I think of Jim Backus as in Mr. Howell the rich guy from Gilligans Island. Comparitively I bet since he is a member of the democratic Obama administration and architect of a $1.6 Trillion dollar Government Healthcare plan I imagine him spending recklessly and throwing money at every little problem much like Mr. Howell or Mr. Obama for that matter.

Janet Wolfbauer – You said “Congress is not paying for this health care bill. We The People Are!”
Please tell me where this money is comming from. Remember that the budget for this year is already in the hole (planned spending exceeds planned revenues) so there is no money in the budget for healthcare.

i meant what would be an appropriate salary for a doctor…….per year…. ?

Tiger:
That would depend upon specialty, the demographics of the patients in the area, cost of labor for staff and supplies, and probably many other things.

how about for a family medicine doc in arizona…..what should they make per year?

Sandcrab1612:
The money comes from the magic money fairy. Currently, that’s Tim Geithner. Where do you think it comes from?

Tiger:
That would be great for Virginia? With no significant health problems, that is. I don’t know about your locale? E-mail Senator McCain he might know.

The government doesn’t tell me who my doctor can be, the insurance company does. The government doesn’t tell me what hospital I can go to, the insurance company does. The government doesn’t tell me what procedure I can have, the insurance company does. The government doesn’t tell my doctor how to treat my condition, the insurance company does. Capitalism, is this capitalism really? Freedom, to do what? Whatever the insurance company wants me to do. Graham is not my senator, why is he telling me and my neighbors what we are going to get? – ITWARZ

Maybe if we call our request for a government option a defense contract, maybe then Supreme Leader Ayatollah Graham will vote for it? – ITWARZ

Picbodo – If the government were to open the plans used by Congress to the public the monthly premiums for a family plan would roughly be between $425.00 and $1300.00, for an individual the monthly premium would roughly be between $177.00 and $550.00. One of the differences in the plan costs is the level of benefits provided and the amount the patient pays when receiving healthcare.

Freedom, freedom to have any type of health insurance plan Lindsay Graham says I can have. The founding fathers would be proud. – ITWARZ

Lindsey Graham doesn’t have to worry about it. He’s got the best health care in the U.S.A., government provided (and partially taxpayer funded) through the very kind of public option he wants to deny to everyone else.
We may have to vote them all out to get across the idea that there are millions hurting who need real reform in the health care system, and the only real reform will include a public option.

The 72% of people who don’t mind paying higher taxes are the same people (50%) who don’t pay federal taxes. Typical democrat voter, vote for someone else to pay. BTW, are illegals also covered?

We need single payer health care! What is wrong with you people?
Our system is so great that not a single country with it, Canada, Germany, France, would trade it for ours. 20,000 US citizens die each year for lack of health care. 50% of bankruptsys are medical cost related. Medicare costs more because it subsidizes the Health Care Ins Industry by taking the least profitable most expensive patients. That of course would be if the Ins companies would take them anyway, all they want is “healthy” low cost people, who they deny claims for just to weed out the non-persistent who want what is due.
Single payer would of course be cheaper as anyone with any sense could see. But if you need proof look at Taiwan, which is roughly half of ours and they get 100% coverage.
Then there are those great commercials. Nobody tell you the narrator was an ex-CEO of one of the largest Health Care companies. Why is he an ex? Well he was found guilty of defrauding the govt and ousted, with a $100 mil severence of course. They are spending 500 billion on lobbying 2009 alone, and there are idiots out there who gobble up the kool-aid.

If you want health insurance get a job or buy it. BC/BS (and many other insurers) offer affordable plans. Stop asking other American’s to pay for it. The fact that the country is trillions in debt, the dollar is in free fall, interest rates are on the rise and inflation is on the horizon means nothing to you “everything should be free” crowd. How selfish…

I’m sorry. It’s W.Lively that wants single-payer. Well, actually I want single-payer too. I wonder whether Secretary Geithner would give up paying the cash fairy if that one happened.

12,000 dollars per year per employee. Yes, and that’s probably just covers the office party.

In January 2008, my company changed to a “high deductible health care system” where insurance picked up everything after $3,000/year. The company picked up the cost of this insurance(lower cost to them) but I was responsible for the first $3000/year of medical expenses for the family plan. Previously, we used to contribute 20% towards our health insurance. I took this same payment rate (~$250/month) and put it into into a “health care savings account”. If I didn’t spend it, I kept it.
I became acutely aware of the cost of medicine and shopped around for better deals on prescriptions, generics, etc. I also saved several hundred in excessive testing. I decided for myself the amount of med services that I wanted (not some beaurocrat). All the money that I used to pay in “co-pays” came out of the health savings account. I ended the year with ~ $2,000 left in the account and only needed another 1,000 to get up to the deductible limit. So this year my deductions monthly deduction is reduced to less than $85. Seems like a good program to me!

From WE THE SHEEPLE*
Q-Who does not benefit from a government run health care program?
A-Corporate run, for profit, health care giants. Big Pharma. Companies, insurance companies hire to negotiate fees with doctors. The users and after market companies. Companies who outsource medical advice. The afore mentioned are the biggest losers if a stand alone government health care industry is put into place.
Seventy two percent (72%) of Americans polled were in favor of a stand alone Government run health care plan.
Q-If the Government offers a health plan, are American citizens going to be forced to drop what they have and take the government plan?
A-NO
Q-Can they keep the plans they already have?
A-Yes
Over the last 20 years, increases in health care have exceeded inflation and SHEEPLE’s income.
Health Insurance Companies and their immeadiate after market subsidiaries will lose the monopoly they currently enjoy if an alternative source of coverage is introduced. Alternatives play an important role in keeping prices honest.
From WE THE SHEEPLE*
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“Mr Graham, 72% of americans want health care reform and are willing to pay extra for it. Stop saying it will be like Canada and England because it won’t. The people will have a choice, a fact that you try to avoid. This plan can be worked out and this is the time to drop your anger at losing and do something worthwhile”
since 50% of Americans don’t pay Federal Income Tax, that means only 22% of TAXPAYERS supporting it.
you want healthcare? get a effin job and pay for it yourself. You REALLY want the dipsh1ts who run the post office and the IRS to run our healthcare?
1 TRILLION dollars to cover 1/3 of Americans?
Why don’t we just solve this problem like we did with car insurance? pass a law that we HAVE to have it in order to enter the hospital?
its really easy to sit around on Sunday mornign tv shows and bitch about the price of healthcare going up 86% in the last 20 years, but notice noone wnats to really break down WHY its risen so much. take the next step and try to find out WHY its going up so fast.
2 likely reasons: lawyers and insurance. ask a doctor, they’ll tell ya. ITS THE INSURANCE, stupid.
what industry pays more in lobbying at the federal and state level than ANT other? is it Defense contractors? no. is it doctors? no. its the insurance industry. these are the ones who are screwin it up for everybody.
Look at AIG. these clowns were actually selling insurance to Wall Street traders that their shaky subprime mortgage derivatives wouldn’t tank.
WHO THE HELL SELLS INSURANCE ON STOCKS? TO WALL STREET, AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL INVESTORS? WHERES THE INSURANCE FOR OUR 401KS?
Riddle me this:
whats the difference between AIG and Bernie Madoff?
A: 500Bn in lobbyist influence.

Irregardless is not correct.
Just “regardless” please
Here’s to hoping that this Government Run Health Care Bill/Tax never gets through, and Obama has only four years to ruin the country.

SearamblerOne is right
No, the reason is a bunch of very well-off, fully government-insured politicians are being obstructionist and thinking about their next re-election campaign instead of doing what the majority of Americans want them to do. Not to mention how many Politicians may be in the pockets of some insurance companies and large medical facilities. Even the President Of the United States can not tamper with “PAY TO PLAY”. The country may never see a reformed health plan. And they darn sure don’t want that to happen through the hands of President Obama!

I take exception to the notion of “european Socialist pile of excrement” as I was born and grew up in a European country that provides excellent and affordable health care to all of it’s citizens – Germany!
Clearly those who oppose health care reform in this country are ignorant and totally clueless, and I doubt they have ever actually been a patient in a country where health care is a basic human right rather than a privilege. Scare tactics of waitlists for MRIs and other procedures are total and utter BS!!!
The US health “care” system ranks 37th in the world, not exactly something we can write home about or take pride in. We have no problems funding wars and having the government run our military!
Personally I would like to know how much those we elect to represent our best interests and oppose reform get from insurance companies!

Why would the Republican politicians want change the current health care fiasco if that would mean less money in their pockets?..wake up America! The drug companies and Health Insurance companies are supporters of the Republican party..there are a lot of lobbying(which by the way is sanitized corruption). Anyone who believes that Lindsay Graham and the others care about poor and middle class Americans and the fact that health care is inaccessible and unaffordable..I have a bridge to sell to you in Brooklyn.

Once the government takes over your health care, they will take over your lives. Thank you Sen. Graham for an encouraging word.

If the Scandinavian countries which have the highest standard of living in the world can provide health care for all of their citizens so can we..Its that simply! Aren’t we the richest country in the world? What happen to the concept that health care ought to be a right and not a privilege for citizens of any country?

“people have to wait longer to get care”….well you know something is better than nothing and for many of us nothing is what we get. I would be willing to wait a bit longer for medical care if it was something I could afford. And I do not expect FREE medical care, I pay my bills and I work FULL TIME TO SUPPORT THIS COUNTRY. But sadly I can’t afford it, nor can I afford private insurance. So guess I will have to continue to go without. Until I really need it and have to go to the ER and not be able to pay the bill.

and another thought – anyone ever wonder who pays for prisoners healthcare? Even those who commit crimes against society get MEDICAL CARE they need.
PRISONERS…..yet I am not given the consideration, from the ##### in Washington DC, to be given something as basic as affordable healthcare.
Even PRISONERS get medical care….I can’t believe this. Guess if I ever get sick or injured I’ll go to the ER, not pay the bill, and listen to the insured ones ##### when their rates go up

nusurfer04 – You said “Graham ignores that he and his family, and all members of Congress, are currently well covered with government managed healthcare insurance. We want nothing more not nothing less that Congress has provided for itself.”
The government does not manage the healthcare insurance for Congressmen, they provide access to a group of plans from which the Congressmen can choose.
If the government were to open the plans used by Congress to the public the monthly premiums for a family plan would roughly be between $425.00 and $1300.00, for an individual the monthly premium would roughly be between $177.00 and $550.00. One of the differences in the plan costs is the level of benefits provided and the amount the patient pays when receiving healthcare.

Posted by: bob wright | Jun 21, 2009 12:39:03 PM
Ooooooooooh!!! Anyone who has a different opinion than you is *gasp* PART OF THE CONSPIRACY! Has been bought off by *gasp* BIG PHARMA! Mouths the *gasp* PARTY LINE! Works for the *OHMIGOD* INSURANCE INDUSTRY!
Get real and stop being ignorant. Who are you, Alex Jones?

People have NO IDEA what is about to happen if the Dems vote for government run healthcare. It will turn out to be just as big a fiasco as everything else the government has tried to do in the past several months (Bush included)……they say jump and we say how high! Wake up, America. Take your country back, NOW!

Graham and his kind of thinking need to GO – VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE NOW! Standing in the way of progress! Sore loser.

Quote “What Congress forgot was, it is not their opinions. The people WANT IT! So congress should be doing their best to deliver it. ”
My kids want candy for breakfast.

“Mr Graham, 72% of americans want health care reform and are willing to pay extra for it.”
2 issues… that not being address here at all
1. These “surveys/studies” NEVER ask 3 keys points.
- Are you currently paying income taxes?
- How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to support healthcare?
- Do you support govt plan if it will become like SS in regards to running up deficits?
2. We never hear REAL numbers in this discussions. I.E. – family of 4 with a working mom & dad earning $xxK per year are currently paying $yyK per year for thier healthplan. Under the new government plan they would pay Z for EXACTLY the same coverage! And they would pay W% more in taxes to help support the overall plan.
Until you actually begin to hear politicians talk in these details people, you have no idea what your getting or how much your really paying for it.
As far as all this BS about what Congressmen and other govt employees get for coverages, try to remember one thing. ALL US tax payers are paying in to support plan. Just as we are all paying to allow military families to shop at commisaries and get the healthcare plans they get.
Your completely delusional if you really think any “public option” is going to be close to what these other benifits are.
Until you can see the details of this thing and have a glimpse of how your own situation will be work, the rest is all BS rhetoric.
In my view, That is WHY rushing through thing is incredibly irresponsible! We have already seen how rushing things “to avoid a catastrophe” does not work! Can you imagine how many holes such as the AIG bonus hole in the “Stimulator” will occur something as big and complex as helthcare?
Work through it…oh by the way DEMS & REPUBS…NO SUMMER BREAK…WORK ON THIS!
Then when its to a point that Americans can compare wether it really is going to help people, then we can have the YEA or NAY votes.

Graham was going to be against a public option no matter what. His words are meaningless. Vote him out.

I am Canadian and some of the comments posted here about the shortcomings of teh Canadian healthcare system are comical. The key question one should ask Canadians is, would you get rid of the Canadian system in favour of the US system. The answer is a resounding YES. Our system is not perfect, but we prefer it over yours.
To us, having a world class health care system is a right, not a privilege.

What?! So many against socialized health care not realizing what we have now is basically a monarchy health care! EVEN EUROPE IS PAST THE MONARCHY PHASE OF CONTROL!
With government health you can vote idiots out. What can you do about the IDIOTS running your current health plan? Hell, you can’t even switch(Thus Not Free Market) unless you get a different job or want to pay a hell of a lot more.
So, what do you do about the idiots and bureaucrats in the insurance companies standing between Patient and Doctor now.
Republicans hate facts. These are true. It scares them, makes them run in fear.
The American papers are full of the horrors of our current system(people being dropped from health ins. before a big operation/surgery or after a cancer diagnoses, having to sue, wait in court, generally dying before the case is settled). If republicans weren’t so insular and listening only to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and read the news instead, they’d have a clue. Even if Europe’s is terrible it’d be NICE TO HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT! Ours is very terrible.

The only way this country is going to get serious about healthcare is for the citizens to unite and pass a law the ends all healthcare coverage for local, state and federal employees.
NO TAXES USED FOR GOVERNEMNT WORKERS HEALTH INSURANCE.
NO more tax dollars should be used to fund government employee’s healthcare from the president of the US to the lowest mail clerk or teacher.
Put an end to taxpayers funding senators’ FREE health insurance, force them to buy it on the open market and they will come around to creating a non-profit healthcare system similar to civilized countries.
As long as these freeloaders can get by having the rest of us subsidizing their program, nothing will be done.
Any senator who refuses to create a low cost single payer plan that sets limits on what medical costs and fees the doctors and companies can charge should be singled out as people who must be excluded from the freeloader benefits they now enjoy.
Why should taxpayers be subsidizing such people as we now do?
These hypocrites enjoy massive benefits at our expense and give us nothing but destroyed systems robbed them for their own pockets and always at great loss to the people of the US.
Case in point: social security. The government has stolen so much money from SS that the system is near bankruptcy. Thieves are the problem, not taxpayers.
The same will happen to any healthcare system unless we place very strict controls over our own governments ability to undermine the program.
Who ever heard of non-negotiated prices for bidding on medication as we got with the ever corrupt Bush administration? What a joke! That’s guaranteed profits for medical companies without fear of have to negotiate for contracts. NO REAL business person would have agreed to such a plan. ONLY corrupt senators bought by lobbyists.
Despicable beasts.

“…where you’ve got a bureaucrat standing in between the patient and the doctor”
I want the government standing between the insurance company and my wallet and over the head of the medical industry.
Please help, I can’t get decent medical coverage in America.
I actually had to send my Japanese wife back to her country (my doctor’s idea) to get medical treatment the Blue Cross turned her down. It was for a brain tumor.
PS She pays $20 per month for medical insurance.
When she broker her arm recently and needed an x-ray, it cost her $3 and the emergency room doctor cost her $10. The setting and cast cost $5.
Don’t tell me we aren’t getting screwed here by heartless medical and insurance theives. Vampires.

AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY!
It’s official. America and the World are now in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. A World EPIDEMIC with potential catastrophic consequences for ALL of the American people. The first PANDEMIC in 41 years. And WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES will have to face this PANDEMIC with the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed World.
STAND READY AMERICA TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.
We spend over twice as much of our GDP on healthcare as any other country in the World. And Individual American spend about ten times as much out of pocket on healthcare as any other people in the World. All because of GREED! And the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare system in America.
And while all this is going on, some members of congress seem mostly concern about how to protect the corporate PROFITS! of our GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT NATIONAL DISGRACE. A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DISGRACE that is in fact, totally valueless to the public health. And a detriment to national security, public safety, and the public health.
Progressive democrats and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust public option for all Americans, with all of the minimum requirements progressive democrats demanded. If congress can not pass a robust public option with at least 51 votes and all robust minimum requirements, congress should immediately move to scrap healthcare reform and demand that President Obama declare a state of NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Seizing and replacing all PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance plans with the immediate implementation of National Healthcare for all Americans under the provisions of HR676 (A Single-payer National Healthcare Plan For All).
Coverage can begin immediately through our current medicare system. With immediate expansion through recruitment of displaced workers from the canceled private sector insurance industry. Funding can also begin immediately by substitution of payroll deductions for private insurance plans with payroll deductions for the national healthcare plan. This is what the vast majority of the American people want. And this is what all objective experts unanimously agree would be the best, and most cost effective for the American people and our economy.
In Mexico on average people who received medical care for A-H1N1 (Swine Flu) with in 3 days survived. People who did not receive medical care until 7 days or more died. This has been the same results in the US. But 50 million Americans don’t even have any healthcare coverage. And at least 200 million of you with insurance could not get in to see your private insurance plans doctors in 2 or 3 days, even if your life depended on it. WHICH IT DOES!
Contact congress and your representatives NOW! AND SPREAD THE WORD!
God Bless You
Jacksmith – WORKING CLASS

Why do people incessantly keep bringing up Canada and Great Britain? Nothing even remotely close to either of those models is on the table. I tire quickly of the quick catch phrases of “socialized medicine” which have no base in the reality of what is being discussed. I wish Lindsey Graham and the other opponents would talk about the realities of what is being bounced about the halls of Congress and quit unethically throwing out “hot” distortions to fire up the base and trying to scare the masses. Lindsey, tell you what, I will trade my health care for yours any day!

ANNA – How about answering my questions above?

Mr. Graham..you are not supporting our president’s health care plan because you don’t want him to succeed in this area or any other for that matter. To say at this early stage that it won’t pass, is wrong. The plan has not been put together yet, so your mind is made up. We need a health care plan to help us escape the stronghold of the insurance companies and his plan gives us choice. Your health care is guaranteed and fine but many others are at the mercy of these insurance companies. I watched my daughter fight cancer and the insurance company and I hate them for the pain they caused her. If she had a choice, things would be different. You are not speaking from reality but from bitterness. Many are out of work or have pre-existing conditions and cannot afford the extra fees or cannot get insurance at all. I think, if you are as religious as you say, you could relate to the problems of many and not your own personal vendetta.

I’m one of those 71%. If the government run health insurance is defeated, Then those politicians that are bought by the health care industry with hefty contributions, will pay dearly at the voting booth.

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about public health care among some people. It’s not mandatory. It’s optional. If you don’t want it, you can stick with private insurance. Who will pay for it? Taxpayers will, just as they pay for Lindsay Graham’s. We may have to raise personal income taxes all the way up from their current 35% highest bracket to Clinton’s 39% — or maybe even Reagan’s 90%. (The rich managed to say rich.) Federal revenue should have been raised during the 5 years of prosperity under G. W. Bush, instead of borrowing from China and elsewhere. We are a debtor country to Mexico now and are operating out of a financial hole. I forget when all taxes became an evil Democratic plot.

We elect morons like Lindsey Graham who tells the 75% of American who want some form of National Healthcare that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN?!!! Uh, where’s democracy???? OH! Other countries…
And if this moron once more says, “we don’t want some bureaucrat standing between you and your healthcare”, I will reach through the television and throttle him!
ATTENTION MR GRAHAM!!! (AND THE REST OF CONGRESS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE INSURANCE/BIG PHARMA INDUSTRIES)… THERE ARE ARMIES OF HIGHLY COMPENSATED, HIGHLY BONUSED INSUROCRATS STANDING BETWEEN EVERYONE AND THEIR HEALTHCARE! I deal with it every day… my sole job is to determine IF THE DOCTOR CAN EVEN SEE YOU. Across this formerly great land of broken industries,we employ thousands of low-paid women in healthcare who spend YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS playing a sadistic game of hide and seek for treatment authorizations.
WE NEED A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM NOW. Or we can just wait until all Americans go bankrupt, lose healthcare, become a nation of have/have nots. Then we have anarchy and rebellion. Maybe that *might* get the attention of congress.

Republicans like Sen. Graham receive health care benefits paid for by tax payers – is socialism just for the rich and well connected. Look, Graham said the Public Option would mean we have to wait in lines… SO WHAT… at least I would be ALLOWED TO GET IN LINE… right now we can wait forever but our doctor will not do any procedure until we pay cash in advance because we are not insured. My wife’s medication is $400 a month, and the insurance company in Texas said we only qualify for the high-risk pool which for her alone is about $700 a month… I AM willing to pay more in taxes for public healthcare.

Amazing how some people on this board don’t even think $3Trillion for the public plan is too expensive. How high does the deficit have to go before some of you people start to realize the government is spending too much money? This is getting ridiculous.

If every congressman’s healthcare is the same as what they propose to inflict on the rest of us, a more careful plan might be forthcoming. And while they are at it, how about revamping the congressional retirement benefits. It’s time they all marched to the tune they are composing for us.

Please! Please! I am from South Carolina and I voted against Lindsey Graham!! Will anyone in another state please take Graham away from us! Graham has done NOTHING to help South Carolina or this nation the entire time he has been in the Senate. He got re-elected because the Republikkkan base in South Carolina are so ignorant (high drop out rate) and racist (guns and bibles) that they vote against thier own self interest. We have the highest unemployment, least educated and highest drop out rates in the entire country and many are poor and can not afford health care and yet Graham is using the tired socialist mantra to feed the base! Disgusting!!

Tin Angel – You said “And while they are at it, how about revamping the congressional retirement benefits. It’s time they all marched to the tune they are composing for us.”
Congreemen do not have the retirement plan that you seem to think that they do. Federal government employees hired after 1984 and ALL members of Congress no mater when they were first elected are required to participate in Social Security. These same people also participate in the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) which is where they receive their retirement benefits when they retire. The employee has the Social Security (and Medicare) withheld from his check just like you do every pay period. Additonally they have an additional sum witheld which goes into the FERS retirement fund and if he chooses he can have an additonal sum witheld and placed in the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), The TSP operates similar to a 401k and has sveral funds which the employee can choose to have his money held in (many federal employees lost money when the economy collapsed as the TSP is mainly in stocks).
The actual retirment for a Congressman is determined by a formula which looks at his salary for the highest three year period prior to retirement and then uses a formula which uses his age at retirement and number of years served. To achive retirement the employee must have a minimum number of years (just like the rest of the world) and have a minimum number of years served (just like the rest of the world).
A Congressman (or federal employee) can receive no more than a maximum of 80% of his final salary when he retires. This maximum is not achieved unless the employee has an extraordinary number of years of service (have seen some employees with more than 50 years of service) or has taken a paycut in the years prior to his retirement (transfered to another location at less pay etc.)
The stories you hear about Congress men making more after they retire than when they were in office just don’t happen every day. The retirement paid will increase each year by a small amount as it is tied to legislation passed each year which indexes it for Cost of Living Increases. A Congressman who is receiving more than when he was in office would obviously have to have served a number of years and then lived a considerable time after leaving office (remember he can start at no more than 80% of his final salary so all increases would have to be through Cost of Living Increases which would take quite a few years to achieve).
If you want to learn more Google FERS and TSP which should get you to the proper pages on the internet, none of this is hidden data it is there for anyone to read.

With millions uninsured in this country and mass unemployment what choices do they have now. Seems most republican senators and congressmen stick to the same ol argument of threatened rationed medical care or long waits at clinics etc etc. But the facts are that it is better to have a turn in the waiting line or see a mandated Dr than not having any health care at all…Greedy health insurance companies manage to reap in good profits along with paying millions in bouneses as well as giving out millions in political contributions to keep things the way they are..me I think they should all go belly up its time for a change and all politicians who still favor the same ol same ol should be thrown out of office. The rich and powerful will always have good health care so why are they so concerned about us getting the same thing…greed…

What I can’t figure out about you so called conservative thinkers is that you all fail to remember that our economy has done about the same or worst but never better under the osmosis of the Republican party. The Bush administration implemented a surge alright, but the only thing that successfully surged was our national deficit. The question is not rather or not we need national health care reform, the question should be what do we have to do or give up to make it work.
A nation with misplaced priorities is a nation destined to be doomed. We can ensure that all Americans have access to health care if we get rid of the miscellaneous spending:

I dont like Senator Lindsey “AMNESTY” Graham, nor do I like Senator Dodd. I think they are BOTH MORONS!
How any sane American can think that these guys, or any other politician can run a trillion dollar health care business (check the 2000 page house plan) effeciently is incredibly laughable!
These guys cant lead ants to a picnic let alone manage the health and welfare of 300 million Americans.
If this does pass the Senate. My vote will be against anyone in the senate or house who voted for it.
Its a disaster waiting to happen. Its a power grab by the government.
Its a disgrace.

If they are really that sure a public option for that would cover about 2% of over 200 million people is going to destroy every private healthcare insurance company in the US, then why not stop there? The post office is sure putting UPS and FedEx in a bad spot, and you know those mailman are just waiting for the day when they can rule over every package in America! WHAT A JOKE, IT’S JUST ABOUT POWER POINTS

When they said that 72% are in favor of it that is wrong it is currently 46% it goes to show how far liberal media will go to lie to you. Also i encourage anyone who reads this to support their leaders and to vote this senator Graham back. He is one of the few that is actually representing the people of this great nation.