By Caitlin Taylor

Jun 15, 2009 8:09am

The Note, 6/15/2009: Medical Attention — Obama woos doctors as health care takes over agenda

By RICK KLEIN Monday brings President Obama a semi-home game — a speech in Chicago to the American Medical Association.  But, with this group of doctors opposing a public option, it’s semi-hostile territory. (Just like almost every other setting he’ll find in this debate from here on out.)  All President Obama has to do now is find a way to pay for a health-care overhaul — and devise a public option that’s maybe not really public — while keeping the stakeholders in those seats at the table — but not letting them get so comfortable that the left will get up — and give it all the shine of bipartisanship.  (And next week will bring a different kind of home game: a nationally televised “discussion” on health care, to be carried on ABC in primetime from the White House.)    The easy part of health-care reform is done. This is the time for real actual legislation, and genuine votes.  Obama is up against powerful interests — with diverse standpoints, and strong messaging and money behind them. (Quick — list three things the opponents of health-care reform will say about the Obama plan? Now tell us what the Obama plan is.)   He could use the AMA doctors to get it all done. With a 12:15 pm ET address, the president brings a sense of urgency with him to Chicago. “The president will use this address to the American Medical Association to outline why health care reform that brings down costs can’t wait another year or another administration,” a senior administration official tells ABC’s Jake Tapper. “The president will address the heart of problem of rising costs: that we’re spending too much money on treatments that don’t make Americans any healthier, and that our system equates more expensive core with better care. He’ll lay out his vision for a system that replicates best practices, incentivizes excellence, and closes cost disparities — and he’ll ask for our medical professionals’ help in getting the job done.”  He’ll reiterate that his plans “include a health insurance exchange where private plans compete with a public option that drives down costs and expands choice. The president will be clear about what a public option does and doesn’t mean for patients, physicians, and our broader health care system.” Kind of an important crowd: “Obama’s turn before the 250,000-physician group in his latest effort to persuade skeptics that his goal to provide health care to all Americans is worth the $1 trillion price tag it is expected to run during its first decade,” the AP’s Charles Babington writes.    Sweet words for the AMA: “In closed-door talks, Mr. Obama has been making the case that reducing malpractice lawsuits — a goal of many doctors and Republicans — can help drive down health care costs, and should be considered as part of any health care overhaul, according to lawmakers of both parties, as well as A.M.A. officials,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear write in The New York Times.    “The speech comes as the president’s ideas on health reform are facing mounting criticism — not only from the A.M.A. and Republicans, who also vehemently oppose a new public plan, but also from the hospital industry, which is up in arms over a proposal Mr. Obama announced on Saturday to pay for his health care overhaul in part by cutting certain hospital reimbursements.”   “Given its historic resistance to major reform efforts, the AMA would be a tough crowd under normal circumstances,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown writes. “But in pushing the public plan, Obama is looking to persuade a constituency already distrustful of the government’s role in health care that a government insurance program won’t be as objectionable as they imagine.”     “In speaking to the AMA, Obama is making his pitch directly to a constituency whose support he will need to get his proposal passed. One of the points he plans to make is that revamping the system won’t upend existing coverage if patients are happy with it,” Bloomberg’s Nicholas Johnston writes.    The doctors want details — and they don’t want it to hurt: “They promise you Utopia, but frequently they give you [Dystopia],” former AMA president Dr. Donald Palmisano tells The Hill’s Sam Youngman.    The path from here to there: “A health care overhaul demands much harder choices,” Lynn Sweet writes in the Chicago Sun-Times. “Even within Obama’s Democratic ranks, there are divisions: The left is pushing Obama for universal coverage, preferably through a government-run program along the lines of Medicare, while an important band of conservative Democrats is concerned over how a new guarantee of health insurance for all will be paid for.”    “The White House is caught in a battle within its own party over how to finance a comprehensive overhaul of America’s health-care system as key Democrats advocate a tax plan that could require Obama to break his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class,” Lori Montgomery and Ceci Connolly write in The Washington Post. “Much of the money is likely to come from reining in spending on federal health programs for the elderly and the poor. . . . The rest of the cash is likely to come from new taxes. But Democrats are deeply divided over which taxes to raise, and the issue has become a central stumbling block in the push to enact legislation by fall.”  Working out the financing: “He’s very serious about having health reform this year and having it paid for,” HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, on “This Week.”    But asked about veto threats, no straight answers: “Absolutely he wants a bill that’s paid for, not to increase the deficit at a time when we’re looking at looming deficits,” Sebelius said.  “We think there should be a public plan,” Vice President Joe Biden said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “You’ve got to have some competition.” (But lots of room for what it looks like.)    The opposition: “Republicans are lining up behind a pointed political attack line: President Barack Obama is nationalizing American industry and socializing medicine,”the AP’s Tom Braun writes. “The GOP is portraying the health care effort — which Obama has made a top priority — and government bailouts as two faces of what they portray as a dangerous burst of governmental activism by Obama and a supportive Democratic Congress. No matter that the bailouts and nationalizations were begun under the Republican administration of George W. Bush. Or that the word ‘socialism’ may not evoke the same degree of alarm among the public it once did, especially among younger voters.”    As they find the cash: “The sharp response from the hospital industry, which under the proposal faces reductions in subsidies exceeding $100 billion over 10 years, illustrates the administration’s challenge in winning the deep concessions from industry needed to pay for the overhaul,” The Wall Street Journal’s Janet Adamy and Jonathan D. Rockoff report. “After agreeing in May to contribute to a $2 trillion reduction in health spending over 10 years, the hospital industry is now bristling at the prospect of more givebacks — this time, cuts that would be set in law.”    A chance for a breakthrough? “On Wednesday, a bipartisan study group headed by former Senate leaders Tom Daschle, a Democrat, and Republicans Bob Dole and Howard Baker will release recommendations. These will displease interest groups on all sides, and may also form a realistic basis for any final compromise,” Bloomberg’s Al Hunt reports. “Barring snags, the committee will call for universal coverage and a radical change in the system of reimbursements, while offering only a minimal, perhaps fallback, plan for a public insurance entity, and spelling out ways to pay for it.”    The most important Emanuel: “[Zeke] Emanuel is officially ‘Special Advisor for Health Policy,’ and his ambiguous place in (or, rather, outside) the OMB bureaucracy can create minor strains. His memos don’t always swim through the normal channels, but they have a knack for finding Orszag’s desk,” Noam Scheiber writes in a New Republic profile.   Coming to a cable channel near you: “As President Barack Obama flies Monday to Chicago for a midday speech on health-care reform, the round trip on Air Force One will run about $236,000, according to government estimates of the operating costs for one of the top symbols, and perks, of the presidency. But that does not include such expenses as Secret Service protection, motorcades and helicopter transports,” the Chicago Tribune’s John McCormick writes.    The political argument looms: “With each dollar spent, Americans sense the need for a greater check on the unlimited power that the Democrats now hold, setting the stage for the 2010 congressional elections,” House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., writes in a New York Daily News op-ed. “The administration pitches its unprecedented spending as an effort to douse the fire in our economy. All they have done is ensure it will last longer.”    Then there’s Iran: It’s one thing for the administration to claim ownership for the energy, and quite another thing to want to be anywhere near the messy results.  “The confused aftermath of Iran’s presidential election is complicating the Obama administration’s planned outreach to the Islamic republic and underscoring the challenges facing the president’s new approach to the Middle East based on shared values and common interests,” Scott Wilson writes in The Washington Post. “The cautious response illustrates the balance that the Obama administration is seeking between condemning what increasingly appears to be a fraudulent election and the likelihood that it will be dealing with Ahmadinejad after the dust settles.”    It’s “a stinging setback to the Obama administration’s hopes of cultivating a better relationship with the Islamic Republic,”Paul Richter writes in the Los Angeles Times.    “The contested election results put the Obama administration in a deepening bind on an issue that is one of the most important foreign policy matters facing the White House,” Michael Kranish writes in The Boston Globe. “President Obama had called for an effort to renew ties between the countries, and his administration had hopes that Ahmadinejad’s main rival, Mir Hossein Mousavi, would triumph. But with Ahmadinejad claiming victory and Mousavi yesterday calling for the result to be annulled, the Obama administration tried to avoid taking sides.” The view from the White House, per ABC’s Jake Tapper: “The White House has not issued a statement expressing support for the protestors declaring the election illegitimate. But neither has anyone in the Obama administration said a public word accepting the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s reelection.”    The bright side? “Ahmadinejad’s win may increase Washington’s chances of getting tougher sanctions on Iran if they refuse to negotiate,” per Time’s Massimo Calabresi. “Ahmadinejad personifies Iran’s unpredictable, dangerous side. He made even more hostile and threatening statements toward Israel and the U.S. during the campaign. And though they dare not say it publicly, Administration officials privately say that the messier and more contentious the postelection period, the more it sends the message to the outside world that even if some Iranians want moderation the hard-liners will not allow it.”    The next moves will be cautious ones: “I’ve argued for engagement with Iran and I still believe in it, although, in the name of the millions defrauded, President Obama’s outreach must now await a decent interval,” Roger Cohen writes in his column. “I’ve also argued that, although repressive, the Islamic Republic offers significant margins of freedom by regional standards. I erred in underestimating the brutality and cynicism of a regime that understands the uses of ruthlessness.”    Progress for Obama, from Israel: “Insisting ‘We want peace,’ Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the first time endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state — and demanded it disarm and respect the Jewish state,” Bill Hutchinson writes in the New York Daily News. “In a historic speech, the usually bellicose Israeli leader showed a softer side, but Palestinians insisted his olive branch included too many thorns.”    ABC’s Simon McGregor-Wood: “But on some of the key issues that divide Israelis and Palestinians there were some uncompromising declarations. He demanded that the problem of Palestinian refugees created when the state of Israel was born would have to be dealt with inside the future Palestine — none would be allowed back into Israel.”    Also big this week: financial regulatory reform, with the administration proposal coming on Wednesday.  A preview, from Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, writing in The Washington Post: “Our framework for financial regulation is riddled with gaps, weaknesses and jurisdictional overlaps, and suffers from an outdated conception of financial risk. . . . The administration’s proposal will address that problem by raising capital and liquidity requirements for all institutions, with more stringent requirements for the largest and most interconnected firms. In addition, all large, interconnected firms whose failure could threaten the stability of the system will be subject to consolidated supervision by the Federal Reserve, and we will establish a council of regulators with broader coordinating responsibility across the financial system.”    CIA Director Leon Panetta takes on former Vice President Dick Cheney: “I think he smells some blood in the water on the national-security issue,” Panetta tells The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer. “It’s almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it’s almost as if he’s wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that’s dangerous politics.”    A new TV ad is out Monday from the Alliance for Climate Protection: “Forty years we’ve been talking about how we’ve got to stop being held hostage by foreign oil,” says a familiar face from previous Repower America spots. “Well, we’re still borrowing money to buy oil from dictators who don’t like us and burning it in ways that kill God’s green earth,” he continues.  “Why don’t we use our own clean energy and create good paying jobs here instead of sending billions overseas?”    A pre-buttal memo, from the Workforce Fairness Institute, with the state Supreme Court set to rule in Minnesota any day: “While Al Franken is a well-known supporter of the Employee ‘Forced’ Choice Act and Senator Norm Coleman is opposed to the legislation, we do not expect the seating of either in the U.S. Senate to significantly alter the dynamics of the vote count in the upper chamber. The reality is that union bosses simply do not have the votes to pass the ‘Forced’ Choice bill and the impediment lies with Democrats, who would have a filibuster-proof majority, if Franken emerges as the victor. It is important to note that despite the inability of union bosses to secure enough votes on cloture to prevent a filibuster; they can be expected to make claims that Franken’s seating is a ‘new day’ for the legislation.”   Settling on a Republican candidate in Pennsylvania? “Last week, [Sen. John] Cornyn quietly sent a $5,000 contribution to the [Patrick] Toomey campaign from his own political action committee,” Donald Lambro reports in the Washington Times.    Said Cornyn: :I certainly haven’t taken an early endorsement off the table but want to talk to leaders in Pennsylvania first. It’s certainly an option, and I won’t foreclose it, that I would endorse him early.”   Variety’s Ted Johnson sees Hollywood making noise in Washington: “Such unity of Congress, cause and celebrity has long been a Washington formula for mutual assured publicity. But there has been an unmistakable escalation since Democrats expanded their majority and took back the White House,” Johnson writes. “The stream of stars to the Hill has had the ironic effect of raising the bar on what merits the attention of lawmakers and the media, putting extra pressure on Hollywood figures and their advocacy orgs to be savvier about how they approach a capital that’s been inundated by efforts to ‘raise awareness.’ “   
The Kicker:  “How could you ban Melville?” — Actor Pierce Brosnan, asked at a press conference whether “Moby Dick” should be banned, lobbying Congress on behalf of the International Fund for Animal Welfare.    “I am as sorry as I can be if I offended anyone. The comment was clearly in jest.” — GOP activist Rusty DePass, after commenting on his Facebook page that an escaped gorilla was “just one of Michelle’s ancestors — probably harmless.”      Today on “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s daily political Webcast: Michael O’Hanlon of The Brookings Institution, and Ezra Klein of The Washington Post. Noon ET.   Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote   For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note’s blog . . . all day every day: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/

User Comments

Obama needs to deliver the message that profits and prestige don’t matter. Costs need to come down through whatever means works most efficiently.

Posted by: matt | June 15, 2009, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Obama – don’t let the AMA or the GOP tell you that a public plan is not an option. Private plans are too expensive for most Americans. Premiums may be low but deductibles are too high. Now coinsurance is involved which is another way to put the burden on the consumer. Insurance companies don’t want to take on risk. My 23 yr old son was denied healthcare by Assurant in North Carolina. Why? Is a healthy young man too much of a risk? Private insurance has gotten away with too much over the last couple of decades. They have been nickle and diming Americans slowly dumping more and more cost the consumer’s way. Now is the time for them to sweat their own business and take on some risk or fail. NO MORE FOR-PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE! Private insurance needs an incentive to change!

Posted by: Bob | June 15, 2009, 8:26 am 8:26 am

Obama is loosing a golden opportunity to get people to take responsibility for their health as much as depending on a universal health care plan. I have been saying all along he just needs to say to the American people “Ask not how the country can provide you with a health care plan, ask what the people can to stay healthy and prevent disease and the government will spend as little as possible to ensure that the government will take of the sick with affordable or free healthcare to all Americans”. Just throwing money at a problem only creates more problems and piling of the deficit. Making the most efficient use of the tax payer revenues is in order and should be a combination of solutions.

Posted by: gjkotw01 | June 15, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am

You got that right….Take Over.
Seems that is one thing that is the reoccurring theme with Obama. He is taking everything over.
He owns the banks, he owns private business (auto industry), he now caps and controls private income salaries and bonuses, he has czars that answer only to him, the list is growing and growing of this power grab.
Very unConstitutional. What would be the reaction of our Founders?
I had to laugh at Joy the hack Behar last week. She defends Obama (no surprise) for already spending a quarter of what Bush spent. The joke is Obama already spent a quarter in 5 months to Bush’s 8 years. And she criticized Bush as a spender. (her language was filled with much more hate)
So now he is pushing government controlled healthcare. Anyone, including ABC, can you point out where a single government run anything actually works? Take public education. The quality goes down the toilet with the more money they throw at it and the more they get involved.

Posted by: Red | June 15, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am

Will Obama’s reform do anything to stop insurance companies from charging high premiums? Or is his plan like medicare? where we pay a tax. The Medicare plan is now being administered by private insurance companies through advantage programs. I am concerned that the insurance companies will benefit from Obama’s reform and not the patient.

Posted by: CW | June 15, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Why not address the real issue reguarding healthcare, the cost of the/any service.
So $20 per asprin is ok to charge, but it better be paid by the taxpayer??? Sound about right?
A trip to the ER because of a scrape by a rusty object costs $500 for getting the area washed, bandaid and a tetnis shot.
I think that should be the area of focus instead of insurance. If a simple service or precedure was affordable, we wouldn’t and shouldn’t need any insurance or assistance to pay for it.

Posted by: Clip | June 15, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

ARROGANT MANDATE!!!!To require that people who can barely pay their electric bills or buy food to buy health insurance is the ultimate in arrogance and cruelty from Washington. Yes, they may need insurance but their families need food and heat first you Washington arrogant devils. Just build government clinics for those families earning under 60,000 and leave the struggling middle class who do not have insurance alone. You are all a bunch of hypocrites in Washington and I hope the people of Montana, Iowa,Ohio and Penn. see what you really are, finally

Posted by: rockychance | June 15, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Doctor’s charges are way out of line. How many doctors do you know that are not millionaires? When will the debate on health care reform take on this major issue? Doctor’s are charging too much for too little. Example a 2 min. office visit where the Dr. does not examine anything, just writes a prescription for an antibiotic because the Medicare patient ask for a refill to combat a chest cold, charge $87.00.

Posted by: jmczzz | June 15, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am

“In speaking to the AMA, Obama is making his pitch directly to a constituency whose support he will need to get his proposal passed.” – That might be the case if the AMA represented all or even most physicians. As it stands less than 19% of physicians belong to it. The AMA’s strength has been declining in recent years in part due to it becoming a symbol of all that is corrupt and greedy in our healthcare system. Many of the non-AMA doctors support more government role in healthcare, particularly single payer. Like most symbols, whose legitimacy resides primarily in perceptions – the reporter’s comments serve only to re-enforce the power of this paper tiger.

Posted by: Mark from atlanta | June 15, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Jeffrey A. Miron a senior lecturer in economics at Harvard University said on CNN “Society must accept that we cannot give everyone the best care all the time; the attempt to do so will bankrupt the economy. As in other areas, societies must make tradeoffs about health, and that happens well only when governments subsidize less.” In simple to understand terms no free lunch, no government funding.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | June 15, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Government health care has not worked anywhere, in UK, Italy, France, Canada or anywhere and it will not work here. It will destroy us.

Posted by: barefootboy | June 15, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Obama needs to deliver the message that profits and prestige don’t matter. Costs need to come down through whatever means works most efficiently.
Posted by: matt
Yes, and as use the billions of jobs and the success of Chrysler as examples of government efficiency.

Posted by: flopez | June 15, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am

rockychance wrote: “ARROGANT MANDATE!!!! To require that people who can barely pay their electric bills or buy food to buy health insurance is the ultimate in arrogance and cruelty from Washington…Just build government clinics for those families earning under 60,000 and leave the struggling middle class who do not have insurance alone.”
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Families of 4 who make under $63K (ABOVE the avg. U.S. household income), have their kids’ health insurance covered partially or entirely by the Federal SCHIP program.
If I’m making $50K with employer paid insurance and someone else is making $60K without insurance, it’s not fair to me that my employer is getting hit with higher premiums (and I’m basically taking a salary hit) because hospitals charge more to make up for the 65% the uninsured don’t pay.
Now THAT is arrogance!

Posted by: The_Mick | June 15, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am

This is going to be a nightmare. The doctors will not cooperate and neither will the people. You can’t give carte blanche to people, the country will be in a medical nightmare. You have to charge co-pays.
Don’t let the doctors fool you, they will make a fortune on this overcharging the govt.

Posted by: kathy | June 15, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

He is losing the messaging war on health care because he refuses to push for single payer. His record shows that deep down Obama knows single payer is the only sustainable health care reform option. By not speaking to his true belief he comes across as less than genuine and less than convincing.
As voters we need to let our elected officials know that we will be holding them accountable on this issue the next time they are up for reelection.

Posted by: Fred | June 15, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am

“Government health care has not worked anywhere, in UK, Italy, France, Canada or anywhere” – Actually, each of those countries you named have higher life expectancies and lower infant death rates than the U.S. at a fraction of the per capita spending. How is that “not worked” for them?

Posted by: Mark from atlanta | June 15, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Insurance is a laugh. I live in the Lower Rio Grande Valley and the only people that get help free or illegal aliens. Esp. pregnant mothers. My sister-in-law said that the majority of babies born in McAllen, Tx were from Mexico. Making them a U.S. citizen should be stopped. No other country does this. Unless you have insurance or money you can’t get into a hospital unless you are an illegal alien. As for Adminijad (sp) who is surprised that he won? Same thing for H. Chavez, etc….ain’t gonna happen to get someone else in there.

Posted by: artinthewild | June 15, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

“Government health care has not worked anywhere, in UK, Italy, France, Canada or anywhere” – Actually, each of those countries you named have higher life expectancies and lower infant death rates than the U.S. at a fraction of the per capita spending. How is that “not worked” for them?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta
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Have you ever investigated and found they live healthier lives. I have spent years in most of these countries. Why are the Canadians crossing over to the US to get their care. Why are people coming from Europe and other countries to get surgery done. Mark you need to wake up and really investigate. My next door neighbor is from England. You need to talk to her for a few hours and maybe you will learn. It will not work as you think in this country.

Posted by: barefootboy | June 15, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

I live in the UK, the National Health system has undoubtedly been a huge benefit for millions of people. However any US proposals must have safeguards to stop people exploiting free access. In addition the doctors’ representatives are right to be concerned. The UK government is the sole employer of junior doctors and as such has exploited and misused them for many years.

Posted by: Gerry Lynch | June 15, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

One of the problems we have in this country is we are raising too many couch potatoes. If we would get people off their fannies and exercize and go to work and earn their way, our health would improve. If we had don’t this through the years we would be in better shape, healthwise and financially. We are our own worse enemy.

Posted by: barefootboy | June 15, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am

What makes Obama think this healthcare system will actually work? It hasn’t worked anywhere, in UK, Italy, France, Canada. Exactly what does this plan include? Leave healthcare alone until you figure this thing out. No more under the table, during the night stuff. I don’t have money to pay high taxes or high socialized healthcare. What is going to happen to me? I thought we would have the option for private and now you’ve changed your mind about that! I vote against socialized healthcare. Reform maybe. Your ratings are dropping.

Posted by: Linda | June 15, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Barefootboy: Mark from Atlanta’s statements are supported by census and vital statistics data. WHO puts out a report every year, I believe. Your statements seem to be supported by not much more than anecdotal chit-chats with disgruntled neighbours

Posted by: Blaine | June 15, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Where to get ONE trillion- no we knew even from where to get TWO trillion dollars to revamp the drug/hospitalist “hostage” held healthcare system.
STOP- utopia trips to the MOON, Mars and launching “endless” spy satellites for Crazy Bush daddy (CIA- psycho cuckoo).
Scrap the NASA program- which only makes war due to “misinformed” War Industry cronies posing as “rapidly” trained federal “Aviation and astronauts” (c’mon- these a pain & simple SPIES).
Scrap funding endless “church ministries” who go to Iran, iraq, Korea, Africa and Afghanistan to “stir” up WAR for the “Cheney Daddy”.
Let us scrap all “useless-utopia” federal programs given to “LAZY-Fat Texan-Preacher-Sons & Boys who are hate mongers for any other religion than the made up by Romans “fake” something called “christianity” – we think even Jesus (is it his real name?) – will NOT recognize because it is NOT what he preached per 18th century priest from Germany who exposed the Vatican Plan to “hoard” GOLD.
Take trillions of dollars of TAX PAYER money to REVAMP the Health Care. Keep greedy Jewish owned insurance companies, banks, hospitals, public school text book companies (in Texas- where the Devil Rules) and NASA “war” industry under the “camouflage” of “Space Exploration” (lol..lol..)wasting TRILLIONS of tax payer money
By Khidr (the everlasting human who saw Moses).

Posted by: Sehran | June 15, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Mark from atlanta++++ Yeah UK healthcare is great if you dont mind a two year wait for commonplace surgeries.

Posted by: Boxcar | June 15, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

if there are 46,000,000 uninsured now and they get insurance through public health care as BO has promised and is trying to deliver on, then therewill be 106,000,000 applying for free health care when it takes effect. People will come out of the woodwork because they will take advantage of the system.

Posted by: feelingtogetherness? | June 15, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Keeping the status quo is no solution. A Medicare type program where the government plays games with what services they’ll approve and what fees they’ll pay will only drive doctors away. That said, insurance carriers are just as bad with their outrageous deductibles, selective dropping of patients and manipulating doctors treatment choices based on cost. Doctors must also realize that their costs must be standardized as well. without bringing all these things in line at once plus the expense of malpractice insurance I doubt any of these changes will work. But leaving things as is with so many people uninsured and even more under insured is a recipe for disaster.

Posted by: chris | June 15, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

We do need single payer option. President Obama needs to lead the charge to get this reform enacted. So far, his approach has been tepid. I’m hoping he will forget the bipartisan lingo mostly because the repubs will stand in the way and be defiant no matter what the outcome.

Posted by: js45601 | June 15, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

I have more faith in Mickey Mouse than barak barry sotero oabama and mickey doesn’t use a teleprompter

Posted by: john | June 15, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

A public (government) plan is a huge mistake. The plans the government participates in now only reimburse doctors and hospitals at LESS THAN THEIR COST. That has been driving up the price of prescriptions, doctor care and hospitals for the rest of us. If they institute a government plan, they will do the same thing on a much larger scale. It will collapse the current system and we will be in full government rationed health care before you know what happened. Biden’s statement that we need competition is false as it relates to a public option. We have 1300 insurance companies now. What we do need is to drop state restrictions on policies so purchasers can go across state lines to buy insurance to increase competition. We also need TORT reform. Reduce the amount of liability lawsuits. That is what causes doctors to perform tests not needed, because they are protecting their behind in case of a lawsuit. Those huge liability awards are driving up insurance payments to doctors and hospitals and causing doctors to leave their practices early in fear of losing everything. We need our doctors!
The Safeway CEO addressed congress last week with the plan he uses with his employess, he has held the costs of his plan by adding incentives for employess to remain healthy and other measures while the rest of the health sector costs have been rising dramatically. We need to look at all possible public options and NOT a government plan that will destroy our great medical care that draws people from around the world.

Posted by: Gary | June 15, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Obama’s reform is to get a private plan, undercut all other insurance companies and put them out of business. Then he can institute care rationing- the hallmark of every nationalized system. He can dictate to the drug companies what they can charge, thereby reducing any incentive to create new drugs and spend a lot on research. He can put inefficient hospitals out of business, and most hospitals currently lose money due to the inadequate payments from medicare, and that will result in less hospitals to care for more people. Like waits- you’ll love this. And the Dems are deciding this on their own. And if they’re wrong- we a bloated govt agency giving inadequate healthcare. The Dems deciding this are all under ethics investigations: Rangel, Murtha, Dodd, Frank, and Waters all protected by Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: jschmidt | June 15, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

A public (government) plan is a huge mistake. The plans the government participates in now only reimburse doctors and hospitals at LESS THAN THEIR COST. That has been driving up the price of prescriptions, doctor care and hospitals for the rest of us. If they institute a government plan, they will do the same thing on a much larger scale. It will collapse the current system and we will be in full government rationed health care before you know what happened. Biden’s statement that we need competition is false as it relates to a public option. We have 1300 insurance companies now. What we do need is to drop state restrictions on policies so purchasers can go across state lines to buy insurance to increase competition. We also need TORT reform. Reduce the amount of liability lawsuits. That is what causes doctors to perform tests not needed, because they are protecting their behind in case of a lawsuit. Those huge liability awards are driving up insurance payments to doctors and hospitals and causing doctors to leave their practices early in fear of losing everything. We need our doctors!
The Safeway CEO addressed congress last week with the plan he uses with his employess, he has held the costs of his plan by adding incentives for employess to remain healthy and other measures while in the rest of the country health costs have been rising dramatically. We need to look at all possible public options and NOT a government plan that will destroy our great medical care that draws people from around the world.

Posted by: Gary | June 15, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Did any of you Obama fans hear what Bill Maher said about BO? Wow Bo is in trouble already. He called him arrogant and that he should be more like Bush. Seriously

Posted by: feelingtogetherness | June 15, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

President Obama you go. The American people elected you to govern, not just our taxes but what our taxes are spent on. I pay my taxes, and sure, I’m looking for something in return. The vast number of employers are not providing coverage for healthcare, thanks to the Deregulation and the “I don’t care attitudes” in past Washington Administrations. My taxes are up anyway, and I wouldn’t mind paying for something other than a “useless” war in Iraq. Are the right-wing looking out for the American people? No. Only if they can benefit from them (votes). Why should they? They already have the best medical care that MY taxes could afford them. How dare they.

Posted by: tychisum | June 15, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

I just don’t see real reform for the people happenning. I just don’t think it will happen.

Posted by: NothingNewHere | June 15, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

What’s so tough about this? Quit giving benefit to illegals and drug addicts and to the people who have worked for it. Quit giving freebies. Dr.’s & Hospitals–accept my co-pay and the $ you DO get from me and my insurance and quit sucking me dry ’cause you know you can–I care about my health and my credit rating. Quit letting no-do-goods use the emergency room for a Dr.’s office….IT’S NOT THAT COMPLICATED PEOPLE–PREZ—DOCS!!!!

Posted by: kab4usa | June 15, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

I am a 67 year old single woman with no medical problems and no health insurance. Why don’t I have insurance you ask? I neither want or need it. I can’t justify paying close to $100 a month for medicare when if I go to a doctor once a year its a lot. I’m the healthiest person I know, maybe the healthiest person you know also. I don’t buy into the hype that every American needs a doctor in their pocket to make it through the day. To think that a president or ANYBODY would try to make it mandatory for ALL American’s to buy health insurance regardless of their circumstances is appalling. Help, stop the madness !!

Posted by: MM | June 15, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

“Government health care has not worked anywhere, in UK, Italy, France, Canada or anywhere” – That’s not true. My stepmother is German. They have an excellent health care system. Quit listening to people who have a vested interest in keeping the system broken.

Posted by: Eric | June 15, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

I cannot believe we Americans are this stupid. The only problem we have with our health care system is the middle man. There is no need for private insurance companies. They are the ones running the price up. Let’s be serious for a minute. How can anyone in their right mind think we can have fair costs when there is a middle man involved? The health insurers do not add one iota to our health care. They do not make it better, faster, or more accessible. Their purpose is to make money from our ills. They only want to insure the healthy. This means they can rake in premiums and pay out nothing. They do not do anything except come up with more ways to make money not provide health care. Get it through your heads; an insurance company knows nothing about health care only about making money. All people in sales know that if you want to make money all you have to do is get between the person selling and the person buying. You add nothing to the equation but still make money. It is time to decide whether we want to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or whether we want health care Capitalism to send us all to the poorhouse. There is already someone between you and your doctor and their job is to not pay any of your health insurance claims. Everytime a claim or service is denied the health care insurers make money and the providers and patients lose money. America wake up and smell the roses or die sick and broke.

Posted by: Nivlac Skcaj | June 15, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

In the best interest of the People not the politicians who are getting paid on both sides of the issue. Fix the Health Care system by fixing the tax system. a Flat sales tax at a rate that would pay for all american’s from birth to death health issue. If all of the emotion and politic is taken out of it this debate This would work from a Repub(Liberterian) point and a DEM (Liberal) point of view. for the sake of the young and the old can’t we get along.
This back and forth about debt and what it is going to mean to our grandchildren and the entitlement that older folks have coming to them. Each and every one of you have or(and god willing) will be young and old in a life time and as you should known by now Life is about change.

Posted by: kyle from ohio | June 15, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

In the best interest of the People not the politicians who are getting paid on both sides of the issue. Fix the Health Care system by fixing the tax system. a Flat sales tax at a rate that would pay for all american’s from birth to death health issue. If all of the emotion and politic is taken out of it this debate This would work from a Repub(Liberterian) point and a DEM (Liberal) point of view. for the sake of the young and the old can’t we get along.
This back and forth about debt and what it is going to mean to our grandchildren and the entitlement that older folks have coming to them. Each and every one of you have or(and god willing) will be young and old in a life time and as you should known by now Life is about change.

Posted by: kyle from ohio | June 15, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

You’re right barefootboy – we’re all couch potatoes. We couldn’t care less about our health. WRONG! The problem isn’t that simple. It’s never as simple as that. There are people with cancer and other chronic, genetic or deadly diseases that had nothing to do with them being couch potatoes. I hope you never get any diseases that require that you have adequate health insurance. Chance are, any private plan you get today won’t cover you for any catastrophic injury or disease. Also, the “pre-existing” clause is a cruel, for-profit way of telling the patient that they are uninsurable and too high a risk and the insurance company says we ain’t paying for any xrays or MRIs or hospital treatments. Go home and take two aspirins and call them in a year or more.

Posted by: Bob | June 15, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Obama needs to let this go and get out of trying to turn us into his dream socialist state. He should focus on state dinners and Friday night dates as he pens his memoirs about his own greatness.
If he does get socialized health-care passed somehow, when the Dems parents start getting denied health care because of rationing and start dying, it is going to be something to behold as the true nature of their “savior” becomes apparent. I predict a Republican landslide in 2010.

Posted by: Jon | June 15, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

OK … the biggest fallacy that I keep on seeing over and over again is that we need to find a way to insure 47 million people. This is NOT TRUE!
We need to make health coverage AFFORDABLE to 47 million people – and thats a big difference and would not cost nearly as much. Once the coverage is affordable, most can pay for it themselves. I am one of those people.
Most of those 47 million people are like me – i.e. – insurance companies either won’t cover us, or if they will, they make it so expensive that it isn’t affordable. (I am charged $6000 a month and will be uninsured within a year!) I can afford insurance, but only if I am allowed to pay what most people pay. This can easily be rectified with a few federal laws.
When I see Obama wanting to overhaul things because of 47 million uninsured – its such a misstatement of reality. Its probably more like 7 million. With the right laws we probably don’t need the federal government sitting in our waiting rooms with us – just giving aid to those who still cannot afford insurance once the companies are give new rules to play by. Of course, Obama has to stop grandstanding and realize that he doesn’t need total and sweeping change to reform the system. I think its a personal thing with him, and by no means reflects what is best for the American people. This need not involve trillions of dollars and huge government involvement.
Obama wants to replace the car rather than fix it – Oh – I forgot, he runs GM so he can get a good deal! Again, he wants to be overly “radical” about everything, like he was about GM. We may want to adopt the saying, “keep it simple, stupid!”

Posted by: Jon F | June 15, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

Yet one more arena that Obama wants to lessen the gap between upper, middle, and lower class in America. I have no problem with minimizing these differences. What I have a problem with is that Obama does not seem to be encouraging anyone to earn differently. What I mean, is that those who do not earn (whether due to lack of education, lack of ambition, lack of talent, etc.) as much as the next guy, should not, in my opinion, have access to the same lifestyle as the next guy. Instead of encouraging those who are behind to “catch up”, Obama seems to be saying “you can have it all anyways, and the earners will pick up the cost.”. This I have a problem with. Make the lazy work, and earn. Do not pillage from the “go-getters” to support the “no-getters”. It is exhausting for us, and we have enough to worry about, like making this country great again.

Posted by: WorkingClass34 | June 15, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

What the heck he never owned the argument. Promises were made years ago, congress has been tweaking it year after year. What does anyone expect. Hospitals are guaranteed these huge fees, then they build bigger hospitals and those cost more to operate. Then doctor fill the annex offices, and as a result you have medical communites surrounding the hospitals. They are interconnected all because of government money. Now government wants deep discounts. Can anyone say, I told you so.

Posted by: heavenislikethis | June 15, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

I keep hearing from Americans that Canadians come here for healthcare.. Funny i’ve dated a Canadian for 4 years and she goes back there for free healthcare while I payout 40 bucks just to step in the Docs office even before he sees me lol. I do think most American are blinded by propaganda and it makes me sick.. I used to buy into the same philosophy

Posted by: shannon | June 15, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

Obama hasn’t a prayer of getting any coherent legislation through Congress. He has pushed too hard and alienated too many people with all his efforts to stick government in our faces.
We now get to a really important issue, and he is scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as funds go, and still values the funds for alternative energy as being more important than health care.
He says he will leave it up to Congress, and then he does quite the opposite – goes around the country to campaign for his proposals. Well, what is it – is Congress going to get out the form and details of a bill or are are you, Mr. President?

Posted by: Jon F | June 16, 2009, 5:49 am 5:49 am

What happened to Obama’s promises of no increased taxes?? Like every other president and party, he’s beginning to fudge his own numbers. If most uninsured remained uninsured, then it’s A STUPID PLAN. And NO TO TAXING THE SODA INDUSTRY. Why should the soda industry get singled out??

Posted by: Peter Litwin | June 16, 2009, 7:33 am 7:33 am

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