President Obama on Iran : The Government’s Violence and Unjust Behavior Against Its Own People Must Stop
An administration source says that President Obama has received intelligence updates throughout the day and has repeatedly met to discuss the situation with senior foreign policy advisors. The most recent of these meetings took place in the President’s study, adjacent to the Oval Office.
The president just issued a statement saying that "the Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rightsm"
The president has been walking a fine line in his public statements on Iran, condeming the violence and praising the passion of Iranians, while trying to stay at arm's length so as not to undermine the demonstrators' credibility by giving Ayatollah Khamanei and President Ahmadinejad a way to paint reformers as tools of the West. Earlier this week, the president expressed "concern" about the violence but didn't even specify who was committing it. On Friday he upped the rhetoric a touch, cautioning the Iranian government that this whole world woukd be watching its response to today's protests. Today marks another slightly more aggressive response.
Referencing his speech to the Muslim world, Mr. Obama said that as he "said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion."
Concluded the president: "Martin Luther King once said, 'The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.' I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness. "
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So he is threatening to “bear witness”? Harsh.
Posted by: ctmom | June 20, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
What do you think he should do, ctmom? Sing “Bomb, Bomb, Iran” like McCain? President Obama is doing the right thing. The Iranian people need to do this themselves. The Iranian regime would love nothing more than to make this into an Iran vs. United States situation and paint the demonstrators as “American stooges”.
You don’t hear the Iranian demonstrators clamoring for overt U.S. support. There’s a very good reason for that.
Posted by: Lisa | June 20, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Perhaps Mr president you should look at your administration and say the same things > You have taken this country to the largest debt any coutry all together combined in history ever had > Your change is a change of destruction> Your political machine is short to be a fascist one. Any disenting citizen is called racist, stupid or terrorist and more likely destroyed by the imperialistc media, ABC is one of them. I hope you get booted out on the next elections before you destroy the America I fought to defend and protect .
Posted by: Frank | June 20, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
You don’t hear the Iranian demonstrators clamoring for overt U.S. support. There’s a very good reason for that.
Posted by: Lisa |
Yes, that is why their signs are in Farsi instead of English. More Obamite brilliance.
Posted by: flopez | June 20, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Thank you, Mr. President, for speaking out against the violence. My heart goes out to the Iranian people being attacked as they protest in the streets.
Lisa, people have not called for the president to send in troops or in any other way interfere in the internal situation in Iran. Instead, they have called upon him to speak out against the violence and to say, as he did today, that the world supports those exercising their right to protest.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Anybody who judges Obama for putting our country in debt is IGNORANT. It takes YEARS to put a counrty into debt the way it is. Who has been serving as “president” for the past 8 years and why is HE not getting any blame? Obama has been in the presidential seat for less than a year! And it says a lot about his character to WANT to take over the reigns with the U.S. in the state it was/is in. WE ARE LUCKY to have him as president.
Posted by: jg | June 20, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
President Obama has the right tone! He is our leader, he speaks for the US, and we need to trust his measured judgement.
President Obama has created a win win enviroment. By reaching out to the people of the med east (primarily the young educated ones), by acknowledging the US’s role in past issues, and by stepping back and letting the people decide what is best for their country, President Obama as castrated the hard line leaders. Think back to the townhall presidental debate…Obama hinted then that this was never about the president of Iran! He understood that it was about the changes in the country.youth! He said the same during his ignauration speech.
Iranians for the first time waited in long lines to vote (same as US election). This act alonge was a threat to the establishment. Letting this protest grow over the past week was a good thing. Its no longer about the president… it’s about the whole system now. Imagine if he had took McCain’s and republican advice and injected the US into th Iranians fight.. It would be over by now. Instead, the Iranian government is now in a loose loose situation now.
Obama is a long range calculating thinker. We need a strategic thinker now more than ever. We need to let him do his job now.
Unfortunately for North Korea, they will be next! While North Korea spouts off at the mouth, notice that he has quietly sent additional war ships to the region… remember the pirates!
Notice that everyone that has challenged Obama and called him weak has ultimately lost to him!!!
Posted by: militaryspouse | June 20, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Obama tripled the national debt and so far has spent like $2 TRILLION dollars on what GM AIG and Bank of America (that arent broke preventing some other company or country from buying them)??? What the heck does the USA have for all that moeny spent? Wars on 2 fronts Afghanistan and Iraq. North Korea and Iran both threatening themselves and the USA? 10% Unemployment up from 4%?? The dems have run the congress for 2 years now also! Wake up man! Obama wanted the Iranian current regime to have nukes. He promised change and delivered not only more of the same but worse! Imagine now if he spends another $1 Trillion on health care? You will need 6 points of i.d. to go to the doctor like the DMV!!! Drug companies are salivating to get a piece of the $1 Trillion while doctors are staring in utter disbelief that they went to college 10 years and may only make $50k a year! A failed drug war! Rather than cut the Mexican drug cartels profits by 50% and legalize marijuana (and make cigs illegal and actually help americans actual health) he is proposing more tax more restrictions. The country is hemmoraging 600,000 jobs a WEEK and he promised to create just new 600,000 jobs this year only! Thats 22 million people out of work. Sorry Obama has failed Bush was Santa Claus by comparison!
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | June 20, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
All in good time Mr. President. Everything must allow to run its course. If the Iranian people want this badly enough, they must fight for it and be willing to shed blood for it THEMSELVES.
Posted by: john | June 20, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Frank:
You should remember that the debt
was not incurred by the Obama administration. Who was in power
the last 8 years ?
Don’t like facts to get in the way,
do you ?
Next time, try using that brain and stop
listening to faux news…
Posted by: Poly | June 20, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Obama is just saying what he believes voters think is popular! Yesterday the congress condemned violence in Iran 405-1 against!
This is the same Obama who 2 weeks ago said the wanted dialogue with Amedinejad and the Ayatollah and offered them the right to nuclear power and bad mouthed Irans worst enemy OUR ALLY Israel!!!
Obama is a liar and says whatever he thinks the democrats want to hear!
Posted by: johnqpublic74 | June 20, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
What matters more who was in power the last 8 years or the idiot who is in power NOW! Obamabots blame the GOP and GWB because Obama is a treacherous liar who spends like a drunk sailor. Some of the Obamabots I am sure are unemployed and wont be able to buy their children xmas presents or pay the rent and they still blindly support Obama like the idiots who voted him in? Whats he doing? Whats he done?
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | June 20, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
it takes more than 6 months to fix 8 years of bush…relax psycho
Posted by: brian | June 20, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
FRANK….PLEASE I ALSO FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. THE GUY BEEN IN OFFICE NOT EVEN 6 MONTHS AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HE’S DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY G.W.BUSH DID BETTER. HE PUT US IN THIS MESS AND I’M SURE OBAMA WILL GET US OUT OF IT. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HE WILL BE THERE FOR THE NEXT 7 1/2 YEARS. SO GET USE TO IT OR MOVE FRANK.
Posted by: DWAYNE | June 20, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
The president will get us out of debt. Our debt started with the Bush administration who took a surplus and turned it into massive debt,recession, failed banks, job losses, etc. The debt Obama incurred is necessary to get this economy going. As for jobs…they are the last to get straightened out, unfortunately. Stop blaming Obama and realize that the war we have been in has been the cause of most of the debt. This was a war as we are finding out, was totally unnecessary. There were no weapons of mass destruction….these were lies which had been fed to us from the administration on down. We need to be in Afhanistan where we are now. They bombed us on 9/11 and the soldiers who died in Iraq died for a lie.
Posted by: talmag | June 20, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Brian youre WRONG! When Bush was President less than 4% of us were unemployed, the government didnt bail out GM. We were WINNING in Iraq. Obama even backpedaled on the surge and let the Iraqi militants chase us out. Wait until Iran rolls tanks into Iraq – Cambodia style! Misinformed idiots like you are the reason this country is headed for the toilet. Democracy does have a place in the world. Soon there may be no ‘free’ world! Obama is allowing us to lose our freedoms more and more every day. He isnt really helping unemployment because he will be happy if we are all socialists! So he can push his line-his-own-and-the-dems healthcare plan and ‘green-cars’ budgets through! Unemployed people cant buy new cars even with a $4500 rebate!
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | June 20, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Private sector creates wealth! The government doesnt do away with debt! It creates more and more debt!!! It buys $400 claw hammers and $5000 toliets and writes them off!
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | June 20, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
“The Government’s Violence and Unjust Behavior Against Its Own People Must Stop” er, uh, or you’ll be really sorry. By the way, can I write you a check?
Posted by: N'erdowell | June 20, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
talmag wrote, “The president will get us out of debt.”
Omigosh, this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day!!! Thanks for a good belly laugh!!!
Posted by: JustMe | June 20, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Obama had to wait a few days for the polling results to come in and the public does not like his wimpy, bow down to the Muslim rulers attitude.
So based on new polling (plus the Gallup poll showing his ratings dropping) Obama releases a “tougher” statement regarding Iran.
The world is watching Obama and they see a someone who is not a leader.
Posted by: Sally J | June 20, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Poly: Obama has spent more money in six months , than Bush did in 8 years.
Posted by: CW | June 20, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
I dare in fact I DOUBLE DARE you Obama lovers to not use an insult and dispense to this forum 3 facts showing how Obama has actually helped our country without spending at least $1 billion dollars!!! Dems have no proof or facts only insults! Thats why!
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | June 20, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
talmag- you use the same tired argument ignoring a lot of facts. Clinton had a surplus only because of the tech bubble, which burst as Bush took office. Clinton had record tax revenues from the inflated tech bubble. Bush had the tech crash and 9/11 to force a stimulus of the economy with tax cuts, which work, unlike what we have now. Bush had a war on terror to fund including Homeland Security and increased security spending. Bush a hurricanes causing the evacuation of parts of 3 states which cost money for recovery. Bush had the subprime issue to start dealing with. Bush had more crisis not caused by him than any president since FDR. Clinton had a cakewalk in comparison. Obama has already spent more than Bush in the same period of time and plans on a $13 trillion deficit causing unknown tax increases, future inflation, and a bad future for the dollar. Increased business taxes cause businesses to cut back. But Obama’s plan is to keep increase the numbers of Federal employees. When over 50% of the voters either get money directly from the govt or get their jobs from the govt, guess who they will want re-elected. So we can’t afford the Obama and Dems program.
Posted by: jschmidt | June 20, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
That’s it, Obama, give ‘em a speech!!! It worked on the morons here in the USA (you got in the White House), so it HAS to work on Ayatollah Khamanei and that other joke of a President Ahmadinejad!!!
Posted by: Fiercely__Independent | June 20, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
President Obama is right!
Both we here in America, as well as the rest of the world over, are taking note of the protesters being beaten in the streets of Iran. And we all know this is wrong and want to see it stop immediately. I believe the people of Iran should have another election, and this time, it should be monitored by both sides, to know it was a fair election.
With all of this said, I say again, President Obama is right not to interfere in Iran or any other country’s political affairs. We: (America) would never stand for Iran etc., to interfere with our election process, which has come under question to many of us a number of times lately! And I don’t see any other country such as England, France, Italy, even Russia denouncing Iran’s actions, but the GOP and American Conservatives are pushing for a fight, saying Pres. Obama should take a harder stance toward Iran’s govt. We don’t police or run the entire world. And no one has given the US the authority to make another country do anything.
So to the GOP Talk-Heads, such as John McCain, I say “knock it off, and if things had been done John McCain’s way, America would be at war right now with Russia over a little place called….. Georgia !
Remember J. McCain said “We should confront it!” when it came to Russia’s move into Georgia back around 7 or 8 months ago during the campaign. But that entire situation has now been settled without America’s involvement or interference. Thank You !
Posted by: Geri | June 20, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
This is all about israel. We are watching a chess game that will end up with war with Iran with american soldiers. Mark my words.
Posted by: rich | June 20, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Well, I for one check this thread to see information related to Iran and the US response to events there.
I am amazed and amused as I switch channels constantly this afternoon, watching things in Iran unfold, as much as we can watch with the censorship in Iran. Both CNN and Fox News are doing a great job of trying to get information out while being open about the limitations and being cautious about the footage and info they have to work with. MSNBC? They are showing their regularly scheduled programs, drivel like “women in prison” documentaries. What a joke! Fox News did not, for example, show their rerun of a Glenn Beck episode as scheduled at 5– thank goodness. What is wrong with MSNBC? What a joke.
I hope the president continues to be firm but cautious. I am disappointed that he went out on a ice cream run with his family, and more disappointed that CNN showed footage of it. I mean, I’m sure there’s ice cream at the WH and he could have put off the excursion until another day. But overall, he is setting a suitably serious tone in his statement today. I hope that he continues in that vein, rather than the “the important thing is to keep focused on the nuclear talks” sort of thing he was working earlier in the week (and no, I do not mean by the quotation marks to imply that those were the man’s exact words).
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Hey Schmidt: The tax cut only worked for the rich. If they worked for the average person…we would not be in a recession. Facts are facts…distort them all you want but Bush ignored many signs that a recession was coming and he even refused to admit we were in one. That is no lie.
Posted by: talmag | June 20, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Stop or we’ll do what? Invade? We can’t afford it.
Posted by: jan | June 20, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
It’s lucky for us that the President and the administration blocks out the truly pathetic politically-motivated criticism of certain mindless right-wingers and instead rightfully places the best and most effective interests of both those protesters clamoring for justice and the United States’ strategic security above all consideration.
The Iranians have said, Ahmedinejad is like Bush and Mousavi is like Obama. It is clear that the Iranians see the President as a symbol of hope and reject the interference and self-interested proclamations of “support” of many Republicans in Congress and their lemmings, who are so blind to complexities and loyalties and the different cultural understandings of the world beyond their own world view.
Every day I count my blessings that McCain was not elected, and that the Republicans can no longer endanger the security interests of the United States by their ignorance of world cultures and damaging bravado.
Posted by: t | June 20, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Look, I don’t know exactly what’s happeing over there and I’ve been wearing green for a week supporting the Iranians bravery but for us to demand a country change i’ts police actions when we have cops that pepper spray grannies is a little much. don’t ya think.
Posted by: Gregory | June 20, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Dwayne-Paulson started TARP to give bans fund to continue making credit available. Bush used 1/2 of TARP and let Obama decide on the other half. Bush gave a short term loan to GM and Chrysler to let them get by for 30 days and let Obama make the decision on the rest. Obama pushed the $780 Billion stimulus which has done little stimulus. COngress didn’t even have time to read it. It was a give away of Democrat sponsored pet projects. The only worthwhile part was the less than 9% that was for infrastructure which Obama said during the campaign he was going to rebuild. The banks very vilified by the Dems after the election for taking TARP funds after the banks were told by Paulson to take the money to increase credit availability. The Dems focused the publics attention on bank bonuses when their was never anything put in the TARP about not giving them and Dodd a Dem specifically excluded controls on bonuses. THe outrage about the bonuses was just what the Dems wanted to take any heat off of them and unjustly blame Republicans for blocking regulation when Dodd and Frank were the major receivers of bank money, where in charge for the last 2 years, and as recently as July 08 Dodd was saying Fannie and Freddie didn’t need regulation. And no who are suppossed to solve healthcare and banking regulation, Dodd and Frank, the 2 guys who had a major part in causing this recession. That’s Irony.
Posted by: jschmidt | June 20, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
If Ahmadinejad won the election it’s none of our business. It’s their fight not ours. I support Iranians desire for more freedoms but democracy is democracy.
Posted by: Gregory | June 20, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
“Poly: Obama has spent more money in six months , than Bush did in 8 years.”
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This is a straight lie. Not interested in the truth, just in smearing the President.
And DWAYNE is correct the TARP program and its approximately 700 billions of dollars in public (government) funds being used to buy assets and equity from private financial institutions started under George W. Bush’s watch.
You can not truthfully lay that at President Obama’s door – of course the truth seems to matter little to those out to smear the current President.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
By the way, President Obama is right to hold back on Iran and this has been verified by many who know better including Henry Kissinger who is a Mc Cain supporter and who agrees with Obama. The last time America got involed with Iran more people were killed or jailed and their revolt failed. The Iranians do not want us to get involved as they call America’s involement “the kiss of death”. They want this revolt to suceed and to be about them not about the United States. Obama does support them as he said in his speech in Cairo and his speech gave the youth the courage to try again. It may not suceed this time but for sure, the next. The old regime does not know what hit them and the next time it will be worse for the Allatolah.
Posted by: talmag | June 20, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
He’s a weak late. Opps, I mean a week late.
Posted by: jennifert7 | June 20, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
With all of this said, I say again, President Obama is right not to interfere in Iran or any other country’s political affairs. We: (America) would never stand for Iran etc., to interfere with our election process, which has come under question to many of us a number of times lately! And I don’t see any other country such as England, France, Italy, even Russia denouncing Iran’s actions,
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I think if our elections were shown to nothing but a charade then I would hope other countries in the free world would interfere.
Also that I know of, France, Italy and Canada HAVE come out to denounce Iran’s leaders and show their support for the protesters. France seems to represent the leader of the free world right now.
Posted by: tina | June 20, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“When Bush was President less than 4% of us were unemployed, the government didnt bail out GM” – If Bush was still president we would probably have a third war that would bankrupt us even more. AS far as unemployment goes, most of the jobs Bush created were low wage w/ few benefits. Regarding GM, I agree that it wasnt Bush’s fault – that one goes all the way back to Reagan and “free trade” which flooded our country with foreign cars produced by low-wage workers in other countries.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | June 20, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
So he is threatening to “bear witness”? Harsh.
Posted by: ctmom | Jun 20, 2009 3:51:46 PM
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Uh huh, as soon as he gets back from the ice cream shop.
Posted by: jennifert7 | June 20, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
I think its better to let Iran people decide what they wanted. Why should we poke inot every thing happening around the world? We are having so much unemployment problem here and let us concentrate on those issues. Obama is trying to make the same mistake Mr. Bush did.
Posted by: shivaglal | June 20, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Oh please . . . and what’s next, a strongly worded memo. Getting tough has taken on a whole new meaning under the Obama regime.
Posted by: rplat | June 20, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
You like it or not, Ahmedinejat won the elections with wide margin. A president of a banana republic, where a traffic police can taser 70+ years old woman for not following his orders has no right to say even a single word to criticize the Iranian police who is trying to get the streets back from this goons! If that kind of protests are held against the regime in Washington on US soil, tanks will be rolling over the protesters!
Posted by: Rafael | June 20, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
I think its better to let Iran people decide what they wanted. Why should we poke every thing happening around the world? We are having so much unemployment problem here and let us concentrate on those issues. Obama is trying to make the same mistake Mr. Bush did.
Posted by: shivaglal | June 20, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
I think he is handling it correctly. He is counting on the Iranian people to take care of their own problem, and taking the lead in holding the Iranian government accountable on a world stage for their actions hereforward. There will be no effectively blaming any result on the US as long as we stay out of it, and the legitimacy of any progress toward democracy will be enhanced by our not taking an active role in bringing it about.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | June 20, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
To Mark from Atlanta: Bush caused the 9% unemployment rate by ignoring the fact that we were headed for a recession. We are heading in the right direction and I know we are spending lots of money but the money is helping us get out of this recession which had been ignored for 8 years. Unfortunately, some people caused their own problems with overspending and that is a fact. I feel for the workers in the auto industry but were it not for Obama many more jobs would be lost and more businesses would fail. I know many feel he should have let the auto industry fail but he was trying to save jobs…our unemployment rate would be much higher. These are the facts and we cannot ignore them.
Posted by: talmag | June 20, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
talmag- if you check the facts, jobs increased under Bush right up to 2007 when the recession started. And recessions are cyclical and since we have a global economy can be started by any number of problems including China cutting back. The subprime issue was a result of the recession pushing mortgages into trouble and then banks and credit availability. Subprime then increased the severity of the recession. But the Dems were in charge of Congress the last 2 years and they played a significant part in causing the subprime issue including Dodd and Frank stopping regulation while taking money from banks. The Dems don’t want people pointing out the ethics challengs of Dodd, Frank, Murtha, Waters and Rangel with Pelois and Reid protecting them all. Bush DOJ put away quite a few Repub- I’d like to see the Dems do the same. Republicans were not the cause of all the problems as Pelosi famously screeched. Republicans never saw a budget increase they didn’t like but the Dems seem to be outdoing even their spending. I wish the protesters good luck.
Posted by: jschmidt | June 20, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Funny how people blame Bush on the recession. We were headed there regardless who was prez. Its a cycle and the private sector will get us out of it not the gov. The stimulus is a joke. Its just more spending that will bankrupt us in the long run. The worst thing Bush could of done is say were in a recession talmag. It would of really hit harder. People would of shut down faster. He did the right thing. Saying the sky is falling is the worst thing he could of done.
Posted by: snowsalot | June 20, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
I am so sick of people blaming Bush for everything. Obama won. He has been the president for over 6 months. Bush is gone. Get over it!!!
Posted by: CW | June 20, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
My town has a 13.9% unemployment. Where are the 3 million jobs Obama promised?
Obama is all talk and NO action
Posted by: CW | June 20, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
While I don’t mean to interrupt you idiots and your obsessing over GWB, but I got something to say…on topic.
During the American Revolution, France supported us (eventually). When they did, they did it quietly and behind the scenes. And when it was done, they stepped back and let us make our own country. Had France made a big to-do about condemning England, the revolution would have been viewed as nothing more than French-sponsored sabotage, and the newly formed American Government would have been seen as a nothing more than a puppet regime. Where would we be today if France had meddled in the way that Americans want to meddle in Iran?
We need to quit trying to turn every country into America, because being an American isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. We need to let people figure things out on their own. We need to give the Iranian people the same opportunities we were given 200+ years ago.
Posted by: hosfac | June 20, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Why doesn’t Obama keep his nose out of this? He is talking tough but what is he going to do if Iran doesn’t listen to him? Squat, that’s what. He is just posturing at the moment.
Posted by: Chuck | June 20, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
some comments here are absurd and very ignorant.
Posted by: Frank | June 20, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Although it was an “election” we can see that the evolution of a democracy in Iran is alive. Suggest we focus on the real issues here and not dwell on the past (this administration vs the past) If you have contacts in Iran wearing green support them, if you can make a difference, make it happen.
Posted by: SaltPeters | June 20, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“Saying the sky is falling is the worst thing he could of done.” – So Obama should have ignored the recession, like Bush did? Let me guess: You stll have a job, right?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | June 20, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Please everyone. Do some research on what our CIA did in Iran in 1953. There is so much blood on our hands.
Who is going to stop it from happening again?
Posted by: BloodyHands | June 20, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
CW . . .
When Bush left office the public debt was at over $10 trillion dollars . .. and the economy was in virtual free-fall collapse.
Regardless of who’s fault that might be, this is what President Obama INHERITED.
It’s childish to expect miracles in 6 months and the current state of the economy is not President Obama’s fault. Get real.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
“If Bush was still president we would probably have a third war that would bankrupt us even more.”
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the likelihood of a third war is actually higher with Obama in office. World history has repeatedly shown us that perceived weakness invites aggression.
Think North Korea would be pulling their current stunts if Bush or McCain were President? No freaking way.
Posted by: Jenn | June 20, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
We have to be involved in anything that happens in Iran, Iraq, or anywhere else over there. This is the price you pay when you don’t have any domestic energy policy…and unstable governments thus call the shots on your energy sources…and your economic foundations. Oops
Posted by: bill | June 20, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Obama’s getting tougher with Iran. Instead of “please don’t massacre demonstrators”, it’s “pretty please”.
Posted by: boxwoodgreen | June 20, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
I love the reading comments claiming the recession began in 2007 or as soon as the Democrats took office… that’s ridicules. I am in the midwest and I could see is as early as 2004… I work in relation to the home builders and saw a slow but steady decline…and wondered how much further the ballooning costs were going to climb before the bottom would fall out.
And I am no economist, if I could see it, President Bush and all in charge on both sides of the aisles should have noticed it as well…
The trouble is, there were those so busy making money and getting rich and playing war games that they didn’t heed warning that the country was headed in an economic downward spiral…
It is comparable to those that do not believe that the human over population is having a negative effect on our environment… that is not until the air and water get to a crisis point and people actually begin dying or becoming diseased before they realize that carbon dioxide comes from more sources than that of cows…which is freakin hilarious BTW
Even then we can sit around blaming one party or the other instead of anybody manning up and taking responsibility and then taking action.
And to anybody that thinks that we would not have had another Stimulus no matter who was elected President is just dumb…yea it would have looked a little different than Obama’s Recovery Plan in fact, it would have probably looked an awful lot like Bush’s Tarc plan…since Republicans can’t seem to come up with anything new…
And those people thinking the economy would have somehow magically just fixed itself… The private sector comes to rescue again!!!Yea…You are in complete denial…The private sector can’t even come to it’s own rescue… dingalings!
Posted by: theafalcon200 | June 20, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Oooh, Iran is just quivering in its boots.
Posted by: Ginaa | June 20, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
“I know many feel he should have let the auto industry fail but he was trying to save jobs…our unemployment rate would be much higher.”
That’s speculation on your part. Our current regulations are already sending thousands of jobs overseas (over 20,000 high-paying green jobs have gone to India and China since the beginning of the year).
As Obama continues to burden businesses with more regulations and higher taxes, the US worker becomes even LESS competitive in the global market…which means even more job losses to countries that don’t have those burdens (India, China, South Korea, Ireland, etc.). Many US companies have said as much, including Microsoft.
This isn’t exactly rocket science.
Posted by: Stacey | June 20, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
“And those people thinking the economy would have somehow magically just fixed itself… The private sector comes to rescue again!!!Yea…You are in complete denial…The private sector can’t even come to it’s own rescue…”
Sure it can. Our market economy is highly efficient at correcting excesses IF IT’S LEFT ALONE. It’s more painful but much shorter-lasting.
Bailouts, government takeovers of private companies, printing of trillions of dollars out of thin air, and ill-conceived regulations ENSURE a prolonged recession/depression (or a double dip recession).
The federal government’s actions are DISTORTING our economy, not resolving its problems. They are also distorting the economies of individual states. That’s why our unemployment rate continues to climb despite hundreds of billions in deficit spending.
In time, the fiscal policies of the Fed and the Obama administration will be totally discredited. But it’s a harsh lesson voters need to learn.
Posted by: Stacey | June 20, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
talk is cheap
Posted by: common sense | June 20, 2009, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Yawn, Obama is all talk. Is he still on vacation?
Posted by: Morons | June 20, 2009, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
boxwoodgreen posted “Obama’s getting tougher with Iran. Instead of “please don’t massacre demonstrators”, it’s “pretty please”.”
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Yes, isn’t it refreshing to have a President who uses his head instead of just ranting like Bush did. You did read the article, didn’t you. Obama has to walk a fine line here. He wants to show his solidarity with the protesters, but not to the point that the leaders of Iran can call the protesters puppets of America and use that as an excuse to open fire. If Bush were still in power, there would be huge mass funerals in Iran right now.
Posted by: SamTyler1973 | June 20, 2009, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
Stacey . . .
You’re living in a dreamworld.
Capitalists left to their own devices rape resources, steal from third world countries, institute slavery, pillage people for pitiful wages and pollute the planet.
That’s exactly what was going on before governments acted against those things.
Sorry, it may be your idea of a perfect world, but it’s not mine.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
What’s he going to do…. threaten to hold his breath until he turns blue and stomp his feet… or write another strongly worded letter to somebody who cares….………hehehehehe…. He’s so tough…. I’m sure the Supreme Leader is shaking in his boots just like the North Koreans are….. BO’s a joke…..
Posted by: Vet1973 | June 20, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
North Korea, Iran, the economy, healthcare, and don’t forget about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also want to include global warming, a pandemic( h1n1 swine flu),for sports fans steriod use. These are just the subjects that is dominating every American conversation. I would hate to think of the next few that may come along.
Posted by: Jones Arcamo | June 20, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Common sense wrote:
`Talk is cheap`
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These are the same guys that were saying Obama has to speak strongly about what is going on in Iran. I have news for you Obama is more intelligent, more thoughtful and more strategic in thinking than any republican I know. You bunch are beginning to sound confused.
Republicans like to talk tough or take actions before they think. We saw it from the previous admin. Thank goodness those days are gone.
Posted by: Norm | June 20, 2009, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Vet1973 . . ..
President Obama has received strong support in his approach to Iran from diplomats as conservative and Republican oriented as Henry Kissinger.
International diplomacy is not as dumb and simple as you would make it out to be.
What would you have the President do?
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
How can Obama blame the Iran government for what is going on? The election is over there is no proof that it was rigged, some don’t like the result so they are out in the street causing havoc and the government should do nothing?
If I was to toss rocks at a police riot line should I not expect some action from the police against me? Maybe tear gas, water or something?
I cant see how some are so shocked at the police in Iran hitting back at protesters if they are stoning the armed forces, I wonder if some of us went and riot into the streets in the USA after the last election calling for a change in the winner, if Obama would of done nothing.
I have seen clips of protesters destroying buildings what is that all about, in any country in the world where that happens all right thinking people will expect the government to react and sometimes forceful to stop the violence, so why is the media so shocked at what they are seeing?
Posted by: SJ | June 20, 2009, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
More build up for war support. What a joke it is for the US to cry election fraud. Diebold and US electronic voting machines could hold a clinic on election fraud.
Hacked software
Unsecure hardware
Broken voting machines in poor neighborhoods
Bogus Felon no vote lists
Video evidence
Congressional testimony
The USA is #1 in vote fraud.
Posted by: gfaulkes | June 20, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
He needs to stay out of it.
Posted by: 3rd party | June 20, 2009, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
COncerning the national debt– yes, Bush added a great deal to it. In the 8 years he was in office, the national debt increased by 5 trillion dollars. That is way too much. By comparison, in the first 6 MONTHS Obama has been in office, the national debt has increased by over 772 billion, or slightly over 3/4 of a trillion. Since Bush added an average of 625 billion a YEAR (not 6 months), I do not see why you are complaining as if Bush were the whole problem and Obama is the whole solution. That makes no logical sense.
And this massive increase in the national debt under Obama is BEFORE he adds a massive increase in spending on health care. As scary as his budget projections are, they are based on overly optimistic estimates on such things are economic growth, so the actual budgets will be even more massive and the national debt will grow even more.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
moderate . . ..
You have to figure in the almost free-fall collapse of the economy taking place at the end of the Bush administration.
That brought about what could be called ‘not a business as usual’ situation and this is where the stimulus package and the chunk of spending came from . . .
We are all free to disagree with the stimulus package (a fair chunk of which was initiated by Bush under TARP), but you would find many economists who would disagree.
You will recall this situation was assessed almost universally as the biggest financial crisis since the great depression.
Any spending by President Obama must be assessed in that light.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Wow, amateur historians are making my head hurt. Hosfac, you can’t really compare a modern revolution to the American revolution in the way that you did. No one I have seen is recommending that the US get involved providing military or financial aid to the Iranian protesters, so I do not understand your comparison to the French helping us in our own revolution. The sort of moral support we can offer with modern communication technology would have been unimaginable in that era.
And Bloody Hands, your comparisons to 1953 are not much better. Yes, the US helped depose a government and install one more favorable to us. That does not mean there is a massive amount of blood on our hands from that event, nor does it mean that we must never provide any support to a group of reformers in that country who are trying to create change for themselves. This is not 1953. The CIA is not behind the protests in the streets. Are you saying we should not side with the protesters? Are you saying because of a past event, we must never help the Iranians in the present or future? How naive and inappropriate your logic is.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
I was pleased to see that a portion of President Obama’s statement of support for the protesters today was sent out over Twitter. Good use of the technology, White House.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
moderate . ..
“Yes, the US helped depose a government and install one more favorable to us. That does not mean there is a massive amount of blood on our hands from that event”
In 1953, the U.S. helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and impose a dictator. This resulted in the repression, jailing, torture and death of many Iranians over many years.
Yes, there is blood on american hands from this. It may not be ‘massive’ but it is certainly terrible and substantial.
Ultimately, the installation of this dictator created the situation that brought about the Islamic revolution that overthrew the shah and helped create what we (and the rest of the world) are currently dealing with.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
“No one I have seen is recommending that the US get involved providing military or financial aid to the Iranian protesters, so I do not understand your comparison to the French helping us in our own revolution”
By supporting ANY ONE SIDE publically, America IS getting involved. It gives the current Iranian government the opportunity to say that we are spurring the “civil unrest.” And they will be right. Let’s keep in mind that most of the middle east (and a good portion of the rest of the world) doesn’t really like us, and view America as a bully. As you see: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Let’s not mince words here: we ALL know where these protests are headed. Even my 11 year old nephew sees it, and he almost never watches the news. Once it starts, we need to have NOT EVEN TOUCHED IT. Once we touch it, given our well-earned reputation, that’s all that will matter.
It’s not about us. We need to not make it about us.
Posted by: hosfac | June 20, 2009, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
hosfac, do you KNOW any people from the Middle East OR from Iran, as a matter of fact? I know dozens. You grossly overgeneralize.
So does your statement insisting that we must be completely hands-off mean that you disagree with the president’s statement issued today? I was pleased with the president’s forceful but measured words, and with the fact that they were disseminated to the Iranian protesters by twitter.
Of course, I expect most of the Obama apologists around here to suddenly change their mind about not speaking out in support of the protesters now that the president has ratcheted up his rhetoric. Have to make sure our position exactly matches his, now don’t we?
I think Obama is doing the right thing and I hope he continues to do so.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Danita, I am well aware of what we did and did not do in 1953. That does not make the current administration of Iran our creation or responsibility. Get a grip.
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
moderate:”No one I have seen is recommending that the US get involved providing military or financial aid to the Iranian protesters…
nor does it mean that we must never provide any support to a group of reformers in that country who are trying to create change for themselves.”
If nobody is proposing military or financial support, could you please state SPECIFICALLY what kinds of “support to a group of reformers” the right is condemning Obama for not providing?
Posted by: jhw539 | June 20, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
To the American left, it is never OK for Americans to nurse a grudge against anything any other nation has ever done.
And it is always OK for any other nation to harbor an eternal grudge against the United States for anything at all.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelta | June 20, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
moderate . ..
‘get a grip’?
I certainly didn’t say we are responsible for the current administration of Iran.
Here, try reading it again . . .
“Ultimately, the installation of this dictator created the situation that brought about the Islamic revolution that overthrew the shah and helped create what we (and the rest of the world) are currently dealing with.”
and as you apparently know . ..
“In 1953, the U.S. helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and impose a dictator. This resulted in the repression, jailing, torture and death of many Iranians over many years.
Yes, there is blood on american hands from this. It may not be ‘massive’ but it is certainly terrible and substantial.”
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
“…what kinds of ‘support to a group of reformers’ the right is condemning Obama for not providing?”
The kind of moral and rhetorical support that Ronald Reagan gave the Solidarity movement in Poland, which was crucial to its success.
Reagan was a man of great integrity. Obama is a wuss and a fool, and the world is coming to recognize that sad fact.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelta | June 20, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
The blood of those Iranian protesters is on the hands of Barack Hussein Obama. Like that of Jimmy Carter, his foreign policy is one of “agonizing paralysis at the time and place of our choosing.”
He has never had to make a difficult decision in his entire fraudulent life. Now he is crippled by fear into inaction. There is no way he can fake his way to a solution, and that fact terrifies him. He stands disgraced before the world.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelta | June 20, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
News flash: “Obama just took his daughters for ice cream at a place in Alexandria. Obama seen with cup of frozen custard.”
- Mark Knoller via Twitter
Posted by: Justin | June 20, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Frutuouso . ..
Iran is a democracy that has just had a (now contested) election. People in Poland did not have democracy and were fighting for it.
Pretty easy to sidle up on the side of people getting a vote – like Reagan did.
I’m surprised you can’t make the distinction.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Which country interferred in our country during our major civil rights protest which had Americans turning on Americans with deaths and distruction.
Posted by: loveyou777 | June 20, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Fructosa . ..
“The blood of those Iranian protesters is on the hands of Barack Hussein Obama.”
This is an idiotic statement from a propagandist. Thank God most americans can see through this type of pathetic nonsense.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
One thing you seem to conveniently ignore Fructosa is that the blood of tens of thousands of Iraqis (soldiers, civilians, men, women and children) and the blood of thousands of americans is on the hands of our former President George W. Bush.
If you want to talk ‘blood on the hands’ be fair and accurate.
Posted by: danita | June 20, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Fructuoso:”The kind of moral and rhetorical support that Ronald Reagan gave the Solidarity movement in Poland, which was crucial to its success.”
OK, lets look at REALITY and see how Reagan’s statements compare to Obama’s statements.
“We view the current situation in Poland in the gravest of terms, particularly the increasing use of force against an unarmed population and violations of the basic civil rights of the Polish people… We’ve always been ready to do our share to assist Poland in overcoming its economic difficulties, but only if the Polish people are permitted to resolve their own problems free of internal coercion and outside intervention.”-Reagan
“The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.”-Obama
Posted by: jhw539 | June 20, 2009, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Fructuoso:”To the American left, it is never OK for Americans to nurse a grudge against anything any other nation has ever done.”
Another glimpse into the Right’s fantasy world, where “the American left” does not still nurse a grudge over Tiananmen Square while driving around with Free Tibet bumper stickers and calling for trade sanctions against Japan for their “scientific” whaling.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 20, 2009, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
jhw, since you asked, I will say, as I’ve said before, that the type of support I think the US should provide is the sort of support the president offered today and which I applauded on this forum numerous times– moral support. It would be nice if the UN could be called upon to bestir itself to speak in one voice concerning Iran, but I know that will never happen. We should offer the support of championing the legitimacy of the Iranian protestors’ cause. We should offer the support of condemning the barbarous actions of the Iranian government and not reward them by making plans to negotiate with them as if nothing had changed. It would have been nice if the president had not undercut Mousavi’s position by his “there is not much difference between the two” comments from earlier in the week, but that’s behind us now and hopeful can be walked back. What I would advocate, what most responsible Republicans advocate, is the firm but measured sort of statement the president made today. It is okay to agree with his statement, isn’t it?
Posted by: moderate | June 20, 2009, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
“hosfac, do you KNOW any people from the Middle East OR from Iran, as a matter of fact? I know dozens. You grossly overgeneralize.”
How many of those people that you know are currently in political power in the middle east? None, I’ll wager. And I don’t grossly overgeneralize…in fact I was being polite. It would be more honest to say that Americans are looked upon as immoral, hedonistic barbarians (and by their standards, we are. It’s that thing we call “perspective”). One only needs to travel abroad to learn this. And yes, I have. Have you?
“So does your statement insisting that we must be completely hands-off mean that you disagree with the president’s statement issued today?”
There’s a saying that goes: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
While it was a well-measured and calculated response, it was little more than an excersize in political semantics. The people it was directed at don’t respect him enough to pay it any mind…and when things REALLY go south, they will use it against us, and gain sympathy with the other regimes in the area. So overall, I think it was a bad move and will only serve to harm the Iranian people’s efforts.
It matters very little how we percive it, or how the Iranian people percive it. What matters is how it’s made to look by the people in power. Obama’s words will be twisted and used out of context as it fits the agenda of the person using it.
It’s what they call “politics”.
Posted by: hosfac | June 20, 2009, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
It is clear the block in the way of true democracy is the spiritual leader system in Iran, and history through its citizens will more and more realize this will have to go, But, this is an internal matter and the US stance is correct = respect the sovereignty of that nation especially its right to decide on a leader and for the most part keep out.
Posted by: Samantha | June 21, 2009, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Hosfac, yep, I’ve travelled internationally, but not to Iran or the Middle East. Have you been in the region? I also know many people from the region, fellow academics, students, and business people. In addition, I have relatives who live in other countries as well as relatives, both here and abroad, who are natives of other countries. I have a network of sources, in other words, just as you do. So when I say that the people of the middle east, and of the rest of the world, do not actually all hate us, I know whereof I speak and I stand by my overgeneralization characterization of your remarks.
No, I do not know anyone in power in the region– I did not realize your remarks were in reference solely to political leaders in the region, when you wrote, “don’t really like us and think we are bullies” I do not think your original reference was to political leaders, however, when you said “most of the middle east (and the rest of the world).
If you were indeed referencing just political leaders, then I am not too concerned, to tell you the truth, if those people claim not to like us very much. Do I care more about what Khameni and Ahmadinejad think of us or about what the people in the streets of Iran think of us? The people, and from the friends and connections I have, I am convinced those people do not hate us or think we are bullies. And I want it to remain that way.
Posted by: moderate | June 21, 2009, 1:17 am 1:17 am
“The government’s violence and unjust behavior against its own people must stop.” And just what is that non-speak supposed to mean? Are high-pressure hoses violent, especially compared to machine guns and tanks that could be and have been used at many times and many places? And is using them against unruly and discontented crowds either unjust or unjustified or something American police wouldn’t do?
Posted by: Publius | June 21, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
As far as travelling to the middle east, I’ve been to Israel…and admittedly I don’t believe that really counts (lol).
But as far as public opinion goes, I wasn’t even referring to the middle east. The perception I stated is commonly accepted as fact in France, Germany, Italy, most of the states in Russian Federation, China, some parts of Japan…I could continue if you like.
This perception is not exactly new: my first experience with this was 25 years ago while travelling as a teenager on a school trip. If you’re ignorant of it, it’s because you choose to be. The aforementioned people are not exactly shy about telling you how they feel about you. Which is fine by me…I hate people who mince words.
When you set out to conquer people, you don’t really have the right to be suprised when people look at you as one.
Posted by: hosfac | June 21, 2009, 2:07 am 2:07 am
So far, Obama is doing the right thing in avoiding meddling in Iran’s internal affairs, but, at the same time, expressing our collective displeasure in the treatment of protesters.
One should remember that Iran is a totalitarian state. That it engages in the farce of holding elections is merely a public relations stunt. As long as an Ayatollah reigns supreme there can be no democracy.
Posted by: John Locke's Ghost | June 21, 2009, 2:22 am 2:22 am
The world now knows, of course, that B. Obama is simply unready to don the mantle of the Leader of the Free World.
People everywhere aspiring to freedom will suffer greatly for his inadequacy. A failure of catastrophic dimension is unfolding before our eyes, as he eats ice cream all the while.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelte | June 21, 2009, 3:01 am 3:01 am
All sensible observers have long known that this president is a man pathologically averse to leadership. He is the only unpublished president in the history of the Harvard Law Review. He remained unpublished while on the Chicago faculty. He voted “present” in record numbers as a legislator. His tenure in the US Senate is devoid of acts bearing his name.
No surprise should attend his abject, cringing failure in the eight days of this crisis.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revieltelte | June 21, 2009, 3:21 am 3:21 am
Correct me if I’m wrong, I think Obama is doing pretty good.
1. Ordered the Navy to kill Somali pirates and rescue the American captain.
2. He gave a speech in Cairo And a few days later the Lebanese surprised everyone by electing a pro-western government.
3. Gave a speech in Cairo. And the Iranian dictators are being exposed to the world as frauds.
4. He got China to vote against North Korea in the UN.
5. He is driving Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly nuts.
Not bad in less than 6 months.
Posted by: doug | June 21, 2009, 3:36 am 3:36 am
Maybe Mr Tapper would like to report on the influence of Zbigniew Brzezinski (or however you spell it) on Obama’s Iran policy. He was an adviser to Jimmy Carter & we know how well that Iran policy worked out. He wrote a long essay in the Washington Post, I believe, which is quite revealing.
How about it, Mr Tapper?
Posted by: Terry | June 21, 2009, 3:46 am 3:46 am
Our False Prophet appears to have no idea what a golden opportunity he’s passing up… overthrow this evil regime without firing a single shot… get their Armageddon-inspired nuke program off the world stage… and free 30 million people all at one time.
But the boy wonder is too stupid to see it… or somehow just doesn’t care?
And isn’t this what George W Bush told you was going to happen in the Middle East in the wake of Iraq’s liberation?
Maybe that’s why Barack Obama has so little apparent interest in finishing the job in Iran… no matter how much it benefits the US and free world.
That, and the fact that he’s already piled all his chips on legitimizing this vile regime- a democratic revolution at this point would be embarrassing.
Posted by: Reaganite Republican Resistance | June 21, 2009, 5:53 am 5:53 am
Oops. So much for not meddling…
Posted by: drjohn | June 21, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Doug, since you invited us to correct you if you were wrong, I think I shall. Let’s look at your list.
You wrote, “1. Ordered the Navy to kill Somali pirates and rescue the American captain.” I have no problem with that one– so I’ll give you one.
“2. He gave a speech in Cairo And a few days later the Lebanese surprised everyone by electing a pro-western government.” Umm, no, the Lebanese did not ‘surprise everyone’ with their electoral behavior. At least, not the observers of the middle east I know from academic circles. Those who follow such things were rather expecting that result and were pleased (at least most of them were) when it happened. But no one I know in those academic/policy circles thinks that the Cairo speech was the catalyst. The Lebanese had been trending pro-western for a while now and Obama may have caught the wave, but he did not create it.
“3. Gave a speech in Cairo. And the Iranian dictators are being exposed to the world as frauds.” Seriously, you are going to try to link these two sentences as cause and effect? That dog definitely won’t hunt.
“4. He got China to vote against North Korea in the UN.” Good as far as it goes, although I do not see this as directly attributable to the president rather than to Rice and Clinton. But #1, the agreement that led to the successful vote in the Security Council, as reported in the Washington Post (and elsewhere), “required a series of concessions by the United States, Japan and their European allies, including the elimination of a provision that would make financial sanctions mandatory.” In other words, it was a watered down resolution from the get-go. And #2, the Chinese immediately and publicly insisted that ‘under no circumstances’ should ships attempting to carry out the inspection of suspicious NK ships under terms of the sanctions use ‘force or the threat of force,’ further removing any possible teeth. We’ll see how the Chinese react when/if the John McCain actually attempts to stop and inspect the NK ship they are trailing at the moment.
“5. He is driving Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly nuts.” I guess this is your attempt at humor. Where’s Hannity in your list? I don’t really see this as any great accomplishment– in at least a few cases here, John McCain would have been driving them nuts at this stage of his administration as well.
Your conclusion? “Not bad in less than 6 months.” Let’s see– he’s insulted and discombobulated allies from England to Israel; given a Cairo speech chock-a-block full of historical errors of fact that must have given educated Middle Easterners (and the rest of us) reason to wonder about his insistence that he is ‘a student of history;’ while generally doing a good job of being firm but restrained in his response to the Iranian turmoil, put his foot in it by saying in an interview that “the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi” is “not as great as advertised”– that dealing with one would not be markedly different than dealing with the other. No, six months in, I am not overly impressed with his foreign policy record. Not terrified, as I am with his domestic economic work, but not overly impressed, either.
Posted by: moderate | June 21, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Obama is right to stay out of this Iran issue to me its beginning to look like a bunch of thugs destroying the place, and here we have this loser calling for more violence and protest.
Great get more people killed sure that will help you get a seat in power, this is no longer about an election it now looking like a overthrow and the POTUS should not be anyway involved in that.
Posted by: SJ | June 21, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
You tell em prez. I’m sure they’re impressed.
Posted by: LongT | June 21, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
This nascent revolution caught this woefully I’ll-equipped president like a deer in the headlights. More people (34%) now strongly disapprove of his performance in office than strongly approve (32%). This is an astonishing drop after a mere six months in office. A saddened nation now comes to grips with the fact of a failed presidency.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revieltelte | June 21, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Fructuoso:”He voted “present” in record numbers as a legislator.”
129 out of almost 4000 is “record numbers” in the right wing fantasy land apparently.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 21, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Is this the Obama Doctrine?Iranian protesters risk life and limb for American values of freedom of expression, freedom pf speech, freedom to assemble, and Democracy while the Iranian regime flies in planeloads Arabic speaking Hamas thugs to beat, murder, and intimidate. Simultaneously, a former U.S. President, Jimmy Carter is negotiating with Hamas to open talks directly with the White House. Obama and Carter pay lip service to Democratic ideals and privately reward those who hate freedom, and act as paid mercenaries to Iran’s thuggery, with “direct talks” and respect. After all if the current Iranian regime falls it’s terror clients may lose their funding. Only American liberalism could wish for freedom and act to strengthen those who hate it!
Posted by: pauldia | June 21, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Fructoso:”The kind of moral and rhetorical support that Ronald Reagan gave the Solidarity movement in Poland, which was crucial to its success.”
I notice you did not respond when I posted Reagans ACTUAL COMMENTS regarding Solidarity next to Obama’s ACTUAL COMMENTS. Obama quite likely was using Reagan’s words as a guide (just as he was using George Bush Sr’s excellent subtle – genius in retrospect- handing of the unrest in Moscow in 1989 at the onset of this upheaval).
Why doesn’t reality agree with your irrational attacks on Obama?
Posted by: jhw539 | June 21, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
“This nascent revolution caught this woefully I’ll-equipped president like a deer in the headlights.”
Yeah right! It’s much more likely Obama’s well timed Cairo speech helped trigger this nascent revolution, and his measured response so far is calculated.
Posted by: Skip | June 21, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
“A saddened nation now comes to grips with the fact of a failed presidency.”
I would say a saddened Republican Party now comes to grips with the likelihood that they’re looking at Obama for 8 years.
Posted by: Skip | June 21, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
India is the world’s largest democracy…has emerged onto the world stage…they are a prospering nation…when the rest of the world moves forward and one is standing still one cannot help but wonder if they are being held back…
Posted by: phallon | June 21, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Iranians sure look free to me, no government will allow a mob of people to run through their city destroying in under the pretext that they want election results change.
Do you feel that can happen in America? I don’t think so, but yet some of you are acting as if these people are doing the right thing
Posted by: SJ | June 21, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
This Iranian revolution is not the Obama revolution. Obama is saying exactly what needs to be said without becoming the face of the revolution. As much as the tyrants in Iran want to drag Obama and the West into this they must be left to dig their own pit to climb out of or die in. They will continue to accuse the west of inciting this by ranting their paranoid rhetoric. And as long as Obama does not say or do anything to give credibility to it the more the tyrants will find that they’ve painted themselves into a corner they can’t get out of. These young people in Iran are not being influenced by the West; they are influenced by “Education” and the liberation that comes with being informed and not dependent upon someone to tell them what to think and do. I am quite certain that these tyrants are rethinking the education they permitted the women of Iran to receive. The Taliban knows exactly that the only way they can keep a following is to keep the people ignorant.
Posted by: MBell_TX | June 21, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
SJ – It has happened in America. Do you remember the civil rights marches,the Vietnam and Iraq war protest?
Posted by: MBell_TX | June 21, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
What is happening in Iran is a real example of speaking,”Truth to Power”. The fact that My President is not 100% supporting these brave souls borders on despicable. Look at the images! Count the women in them and the videos also they are right in the middle of this fight with the men. If they can keep the pressure on for a week and get some army support this could be huge.
God Bless em and keep these heroes and heroines save.
Posted by: JerseyGeorge | June 21, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
The fact that My President is not 100% supporting these brave souls borders on despicable.
Posted by: JerseyGeorge
what proof do you have that Obama doesn’t support them?
Posted by: No Mas | June 21, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
He is the only unpublished president in the history of the Harvard Law Review..No surprise should attend his abject, cringing failure in the eight days of this crisis.
Posted by: Fructose
you left out the birth certificate issue…
as opposed to Bush who was the only unpublished president in the history able to clear small piles of brush from a ‘ranch’.
impressive!
Posted by: No Mas | June 21, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
He is the only unpublished president in the history of the Harvard Law Review..No surprise should attend his abject, cringing failure in the eight days of this crisis.
Posted by: Fructose
lets see, one man according to you “is the only unpublished president in the history of the Harvard Law Review”….
the other, G.W. Bush, was on the cheer-leading squad, and not even the captain of the cheerleaders..
Posted by: No Mas | June 21, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
No matter what the president says or does regarding Iran, he will be criticised by the hysterical right-wing nut-jobs. They’re pressuring Obama to come out swinging in the hope that it’ll will damage diplomatic relations with Iran in the future. The GOP doesn’t care about America, all they care about is beating Democrats in their stupid little political games. The Grand Obstructionist Party. Pathetic.
Posted by: Dave in NM | June 21, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Is this the Obama Doctrine?Iranian protesters risk life and limb for American values of freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and Democracy while the Iranian regime flies in planeloads Arabic speaking Hamas thugs to beat, murder, and intimidate.This has been widely reported , on Fox, & even CNN, Arabic speaking plain clothed thugs beating protesters on the streets in Iran. Remember, Iranians speak Persian. Simultaneously, a former U.S. President, Jimmy Carter is negotiating with Hamas to open talks directly with the White House. Obama and Carter pay lip service to Democratic ideals and privately reward those who hate freedom, and act as paid mercenaries to Iran’s thuggery, with “direct talks” and respect. After all if the current Iranian regime falls then it’s terror clients may lose their funding. Only American liberalism could wish for freedom and act to strengthen those who hate it!
Posted by: pauldia | June 21, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
“No matter what the president says or does regarding Iran, he will be criticised by the hysterical right-wing nut-jobs. They’re pressuring Obama to come out swinging in the hope that it’ll will damage diplomatic relations with Iran in the future. The GOP doesn’t care about America, all they care about is beating Democrats in their stupid little political games. The Grand Obstructionist Party. Pathetic.”
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Agreed.
Posted by: danita | June 21, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
“Only American liberalism could wish for freedom and act to strengthen those who hate it!”
No, I think that’s exactly what you are pushing for. As Dodd said to George this morning: If Ayatollah Khamanei and President Ahmadinejad can win the argument that this is a US backed uprising then we have damaged the credibility of, and therefore weakened, the protesters’ position in the eyes of all Iranians.
Posted by: Skip | June 21, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
“A saddened nation now comes to grips with the fact of a failed presidency.”
obama believes in fraudulent elections – they took FL & MI delegates away from Hillary and used terrorist techniques in the caucuses; that is why he is not speaking out about it. He did not win the election in November fairly. Next time, we will march like the Iranians to ensure a fair election.
obama has an allegiance to the Saudi King and promised him he wouldn’t meddle in Muslim/Islam affairs.
Posted by: Jenny | June 21, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
To Moderate
Very thoughtful response and I agree with you.
Posted by: doug | June 21, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
So Obama needs to support these thugs that are burning, destroying and causing havoc in the streets under the pretext that they want a recount of the votes.
If they happen to topple the government after days of destruction and put Mosauvi in power, would that make the POTUS look any better in the eyes of the world?
Mosauvi was a know terrorist back in his day now he is calming to be a reformer, and some of you want the POTUS to support that?…madness.
Posted by: SJ | June 21, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Obama and Carter pay lip service to Democratic ideals and privately reward those who hate freedom, and act as paid mercenaries to Iran’s thuggery, with “direct talks” and respect.
Posted by: pauldia
Blah blah blah…..
here, think about this if your able….
“Isn’t it funny that conservatives who used to complain about Obama’s use of rhetorical powers as “just words” now think his relative caution in speaking out about Iran is a deep betrayal of everything American? “
David Kurtz
Posted by: No Mas | June 21, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
I have always thought of thugs as being the ones that beat or molest women, children, and the elderly to intimidate people into compliance. The protesters are not doing that; the Iranian government is. The protest is no longer about the vote it is about the apparent totalitarianism that is trying to trump the will of the people and insult their intelligence.
Posted by: MBell_TX | June 21, 2009, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
‘ they took FL & MI delegates away from Hillary and used terrorist techniques in the caucuses;’
Posted by: Jenny
you’re sure it was terrorist?, weren’t they using the regular communist, fascist, totalitarian techniques….
rumor has it that ‘they’ used enhanced techniques
like coffee and doughnuts to achieve their unscrupulous ends……..
Posted by: No Mas | June 21, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
We here in the US should have done the same thing over the voter fraud we had going on in November that got a fraud elected or should I say got bought in the WH. 2009 the beginning of an error as we go deeper and deeper into debt as the idiot in chief takes us into a socialist country. Hey BO show us a real BC and stop paying your lawyers to keep all your stuff hid.
Posted by: Rebel | June 21, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Strong, steady, stable, smart. Stay the course Mr. President. Glad you are the Leader instead of the “angry people”. Anger leads to irrational behaviors, like Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.
Posted by: tychisum | June 22, 2009, 3:15 am 3:15 am
No Obama; that’s not enough, pls send tanks, if possible, also drop atomic bombs to Iran (Republicans’ point of view).
Presido; u don try; enough said. Pls don’t be tempted to fan the whims and caprices of war-mongers!
Posted by: Austin Chuks | June 22, 2009, 4:36 am 4:36 am
I’m a Republican and I can list several mistakes Bush made, though they may not be what the Communists assume they would be.
Interesting that Barry can do no wrong around here with some people. Sad actually.
But, it’s too bad that many Liberals are no longer supporting him and that his poll numbers are slipping. As more people lose their jobs and the rest are faced with a weakened country and higher taxes in one form or another, one will be hard-pressed to find much support even on the WWW.
Of course, on the ‘net we can’t even be sure who these ‘liberal’ supporters are. Many are probably foreigners who are either laughing their behinds off or are quite elated that enough Americans were dull enough to vote in this sham of an administration.
Posted by: Valmy | June 22, 2009, 4:57 am 4:57 am
This “canned” response ought to show the world how tough Obama is on human rights violations as well as appease his own party. Smooth move, sir!
Posted by: LongT | June 22, 2009, 8:06 am 8:06 am
Did any of you people glibly accusing Republicans of wanting the President to send tanks into the streets of Iran actually watch any of the Sunday news programs yesterday? Or read anything on the internet? Or do any sort of research whatsoever before making such an absurd statement?
No Republican leaders have suggested military intervention or even tighter sanctions at this point. Some of them, including John McCain, have suggested that more vocal statements of support for the protesters might be in order and have suggested that the president should not make plans to negotiate with the present Iranian government because it would send a signal that we consider that government legitimate.
I notice that McCain praised the president in general terms and was generally supportive of his foreign policy. What more do you want?
I am a staunch Republican, and I have stated on this site and elsewhere my support for the president’s firm but low-key statements of support and his concern that we give the Iranian leadership no ammunition for their “America is meddling” argument.
Posted by: moderate | June 22, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm