President Obama on Israel: ‘Part of Being a Good Friend Is Being Honest’

I think it is high time we held the Israeli’s feet to the fire. I am a strong supporter of Israel but that does not mean we have to grovel to Bibi. I think Netenyahu is the biggest obsticle to peace in the region. He had ruined all that Rabin had put in place the last time he was Prime Minister.

This is classic Obama. Any time he lies, he’ll say: “the teleprompter made me do it.”

The state of Israel was imposed on the region by occupying powers. The most important thing in this whole controversy if for Israel to recognize the Palestinians’ right to their own separate state. Israel must stop the settlements which destroy Palestinian villages, land rights, and farms. Gaza and its refugee camps must be rebuilt to ensure health, safety, and freedom. This travesty of Israeli domination of this region must end, then and only then will the Arab states recognize Israel. No, I do not hate Jews, but they must also not hate the Palestinians.

Eagle Eye, Israel did return lands at one time and did rebuild Palestinian structures. This did not the cease the actions of the Palestinians. They continued to car bomb and commit terror on Israel. Arabs refuse to accept any peaceful resolution with Israel, their religion will not allow it. How else do you deal with this type of mentality?

… but, it’s not your fault.. I forgot that part…

===I think Netenyahu is the biggest obsticle to peace in the region.===
Of course the biggest obstacle couldn’t possibly be the actual terrorists in the region that want to see Israel wiped off the map. It has to be Bibi.

Bibi doesn’t like the taste of the kool-aid… POTUS is laying it down, but he ain’t pickin’ it up!

Israel has never been a democracy—they parade around acting like it –in truth they are no different than south africa was with the apartheid–they need to grow up and stop with the extreme behavior–stop expanding those settlements and get on with the process of returning what is and never has been yours–(and it was not legitimately taken) it was stolen with US Arms….

Everything obie does is a disaster, god help Israel.

I think it’s time we put our money where our mouth is and stop giving ANY aid to Israel unless it stops building & actually works towards peace. Israel has to admit that they took this land, they are an occupying force and they are, in some ways, no better than the bullies they escaped in Germany.

Honesty is always a good idea – like being honest about ear marks, about getting out of Iraq, about what the Wall Street Fat Cats are doing with TARP, about reducing the national debt, about tax cheats in the Treasury, about donors in high posts, about closing Gitmo, about gay marriage rights…I’m afraid selective honesty is a recipe for problems. I voted for you Mr. President. But, you best be careful about preaching honesty.

Why do I get the succinct feeling the second holocaust is just beginning?

“Honesty” back at ya from Israel:
Israeli Government Press Director Daniel Seamen reacted to this Obama administration statement by saying: “I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

Why do I get the succinct feeling the second holocaust is just beginning?
posted by Seymour:
You have not seen anything yet, Pres. Obama gave the green light to Iraq and told Irael to stand down from defending itself.

===Israeli Government Press Director Daniel Seamen reacted to this Obama administration statement by saying: “I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”===
OMG! I love it.

I’m curious to know what country has borders that have *not* been set either against their will or against the will of their neighbors.

Todays joke is tomorrows glowing ember.

I think that Israel should let Obama playing ping-pong with himself. He has much more concern in the domestic and economic problems of the US. Israel can keep with hers independent policy for 3 years and pray for Obama political crashing in the ballot. Not only because ME affairs but because of Obama’s failure in huge domestic problems and international ones. Israel can function well with out US back up in military aid and UN voting aid. I would say that more than Israel wants to buy American planes and missiles the US (security industry) wants to sell her. Especially in such bad times. Israel on the other hand donates to the US its most advanced military and scientific developments and knowhow that cost at least the amount of annual value that of the US loans to Israel.
The US needs the trust of Israel for playing free in the Arab’s political environment. With out that trust the Arabs won’t lean on the US. And what the Arabs states altogether can devote for the US? Oil, oil, oil and Oil again….. Well, and more illegal immigrants. Bon appetite, America.

KR
so your saying that all Americans currently living in America right now are illegal immigrants with no claim on the land…… that colonials took away the country from the Indians….
dude , you are the history man of the right-wing, thank you for that very perceptive analysis…..
imagine America robbing and killing to get it’s way, so glad that never happened to anyone else other than the native americans…….

Postman, can you please name the “hotels” that the Jewish “aggessive insurgency” blew to the British occupation of Israel?
Let me remind you, Jewish underground warriors DIDN’T attack British civilains and families of the Brit’s soldiers. They also DIDN’T attack “HOTELS” but on part of ONE hotel, “King David” hotel, a Jewish hotel in Jerusalem. In that part of the hotel the British located their MAIN occupying headquarter. That was legitimate action, heroic action and the Jews warned the British 20 mins before the explosion occured. The very fact that the British prefered not to believe to the Jews played against them !!!!!!!

Doug, what “clean after”?
Did the US cleaned after Israel blew Saddam Houssein nuclear reactor?
When Israel will decide that she can no longer wait for Obama “decisions” she will act in any move that will serve her interests. The US should not agree and we don’t care if you will oppose. It’s Israel business especially when Obama modify the crisis. Obama has no knowledge and experience virtue and I hope that he won’t lead the ME for another war. He better centralize his efforts to rescue US economy.
We won’t call you, don’t call us!

abe:
the fringe parts of the ‘pro-life’ movement in America thought it was ‘legitimate, heroic action’ to murder Dr. Tiller

“so it’s OK to blow up something/someone as long as you give a warning a short time before the explosion.. thanks for the clarity”
This plays into the debate of legitmate targetting. The IRA targetted British military and government in their attacks. Jews (and Arabs) attacked government occupation forces.
The Islamic extremists in 9/11 attacked civilians in New York, and the Pentagon. Most people don’t talk about the Pentagon, it strikes less of a cord then the towers falling. If the 9/11 attackers had attacked military bases or, say a harbored aircraft carrier, the response may not have been the same.
Plays into a true debate. If terror targets government/military, is it acceptable? Or is the tactic of terror unacceptable?
Generally speaking, the outrage comes from the targeting of civilian gatherings and structures when it comes to terror.

KR
re” Plays into a true debate. If terror targets government/military, is it acceptable? Or is the tactic of terror unacceptable? ”
good points by you,
it really gets murky when a ‘legitimate’ target sits right in the middle of a heavily populated civilian area,,,, how many civilian deaths are worth the price of the target, is even a consideration for the attacker….

“Let’s work on behalf of the decent folks, not those extremist whack jobs.
Give and take.”
We always have. We have given billions in aid to Israel, Egypt, Palestinians, Jordan, Lebenon, and Syria over the years. Our nation has ALWAYS had a stance of co-existance. Unfortunately, large portions of the populations in question demand all or nothing. Jew extremist point to the Bible and the promise land between the Jordan river and the sea, while Palestinians do the same. (Actually, Palestine claims areas inside Jordan, Egypt including the Suez Canal, Syria, and Lebenon). Under the table, none of those Arab countries want an established Palestinian state because that state would lay claim to portions of other nations, not just Israel. They prefer Israel to exist and take the brunt of Palestinian anger. As long as they are concentrating on Israel, they aren’t focusing on the Arab neighbors.

“how many civilian deaths are worth the price of the target, is even a consideration for the attacker….”
Exactly. Timmothy McVeigh was targetting the ATF in his bombing, in his mind a legitmate target. He even expressed remorse when he learned there was a day care in there. In his mind, he was only going after the ATF. But his tactic was indiscriminate, which is what garnered the label terror.
Colatoral damage is an unfortunate constant in warfare, probably always will be. Where you disect it is in its intent and its intended target. The vast majority of terror attacks are designed to send a message, one of fear. If it is designed to diminish the capability of a foreign or occupying government, it is at last half legit.
There is one commonality however. Using the civilian population as camoflauge is against the rules of warfare and thus, subject to summary execution. All of these terror acts have this in common, making all of them illegal in international law, thus on that basis should all be treated the same.

“Since when did you start speaking on behalf of Arab countries KR?”
Two good friends of mine years ago were Jordanian. The explained to me in depth their views of the Israel/Palestinian issue. It also makes logical sense. The PLO tried to overthrow both the Egyptian Government and the Jordanian government in the last 40 years. Look it up. 60% of the population of Jordan is Palestinian. It would be logical that a Palestinian state would be a threat to them. Also their claim of what is Palestinian territory occupied by Jordan, Egypt, Lebenon, and Syria, and it’s not too hard to figure out.

So basically no one gave you the right to speak on behalf of arab countries except for your ‘two friends’.
Please don’ pretend to speak on behalf of arab governments. It’s important to deal with truths.

So postman, you’re not for “blowing up buildings”? very smart. So you give advantage to those who seek to bomb “buildings” in America, then you not let America to defend herself. Terrorists, especially Islamic fanatics, don’t play according to your rule. If a person pass you in the street and spit on you or slaps your face, what would you do? What would you do if he is repeating his behave for 365 days a year and for 100 years? Would you consider you legitimate right to defend yourself? And now, if that entity decides to cut you apart from now and then, what would you do then?
Israel always agreed to concessions. The Arabs didn’t, even before the creation of the “Palestinian people”. The “Palestinian People” (called before the “southern Syria inhabitants) don’t accept the right of the Jews for sovereign state in the ME. As the Muslim Arabs did chase, kill and make the ME Christian flee the area, so they dream to do the same for the Jews. Let not forget that Palestine is the occupier’s name of the land of Israel, and Jews always settled through history on their land under more than 30 different occupiers. Arabs conquered Palestine only for few decades in the mediavel time. the last 400 hundred years only the Muslim Turks and the Christian British occupied the land, until Jordan occupied the “west bank” in 1948 against the US resolutions. 19 years later, before a real “Palestinian people” was born, Israel was obliged to conquer the “west bank” (and Gaza strip) because of the Arab coalition intended to invade Israel.
Israel didn’t occupy the “west bank” from the “Palestinian” but from Jordan. Arafat trying to cope King Houssein of Jordan in 1970 “black September” failed and then he consentrated in smashing Israel. The Arab Palestinian don’t talk about peace but about ruining Israel and creating the “Big Palestine” from the desert to the sea” !!!!

Again Obama bowing to Arabs. Dont you feel sick to your stomach? Guess what Obama get ready for your reward for catering to terrorists demands. The same stab in the back they gave George Bush and all other Presidents before you.

Arab countries helped to make the Bush family even richer through Carlisle and other oil interests. Oil speaks louder that ethics in some circle.
And I’m tired of hearing this nonsense about President Obama ‘bowing’ to the Arab countries.
Extremists are extremists whether jewish, arab or someone like yourself. The majority of people are just normal, decent folks trying to get along, raise and support their families and have a decent quality of life.

danita , most Arabs hate Palestinian Arabs. The “Palestinian” problem was for 60 years the issue that Arab countries cultivated in order to mislead their own citizens from the real problems of the Arab countries. Each time that opposition was emerged in some state the government accused it by claiming that they play for Israel favor and preventing the citizens from dealing with the “real problem” – Israel. That’s why you don’t see even today real oppositions in Arab countries.

postman, I understood your claim at the first time. I think that you don’t understand mine.
I think that Arab Palestinian has the right to attack Israel’s targets as they wish. They mainly attack civilian targets in purpose, although they can do so against military targets. They want to break the will and coherence of the Israelis. But they fail time and again. Israelis are uniting against any foreign intervention in their local affairs. Obama should know that either or he will fail in that matter.
Israel (and the ‘Irgun’ for that matter) reacts by hitting terror targets, trying as much as possible, to hurt Arab civilians.
The difference makes the point. For many evidence we all know that the majority of the Palestinian Arabs don’t tend to accept Israel’s right to exist. They translate the Roman occupier name’s “Palestine” as their own asset. They think that they are Mouhammad messenger in combating the Judeo-Christian invaders to the “Dahr El-Islam” (land of Islam where Muslims are ruling for now before occupying the land of wars, the land of Gentiles = “Dahr El-Harb” (literally = ‘Land of the sword’). Israel is located in their midst of their land of Islam and it’s their historical – belief burden.
What I want to emphasize is that what ever Israel will do in order to promote the peace the Palestinian Arabs will do less and will blame Israel for the next crisis. The Hamas and even the Fatah (PLO, PA) exercise their tactics that is called “the stage program” (1974), in order to defeat Israel in stages of wars/terror attacks and peace talks combined, as the do until these days.

What I love the most about these blogs..is that current history always begins in the year 2001.. it is the line of demarkation.. prior to this date, all was well.. you have to go back before most of the commenters were born to find a similar eight year history of disaster (as 2001 to 2009)!

The Romans were experts in transforming captive populations into denizens of Rome… they were better at colonialism and imperialism than the U.S.

I meant to say that you are mistaken. Arabs, as a whole in high percentage, hate the Israelis, the Jews and Israel. The exact percentage might be changed in the edges, but still Arab populations in the ME reject the very notion that Jews have right to live in their national home in Palestine (the Roman occupier name for the Land of Israel). That’s why many among them even don’t call Israel by hers name but by a nickname: “The Zionist entity”.

KR…
Thanx.. finally, someone can decipher my Tongue-in-cheek buffoonery.. you are probably too intelligent to blog here..

Veritas,
goddess of truth, a daughter of Saturn and the mother of Virtue
obama/israel.. i like it..

cool

Rep. Shelley Berkley is another U.S. politician who seems to have placed her loyalty as an American second to her loyalty (as a Jew), to Israel.