“Stop It, All Of You”: President Obama Jokingly Chastises German Press for ‘Tensions Mit Merkel’ Stories
At a joint press availability in Dresden, Germany, this morning, President Obama jokingly chastised the German press for playing up stories about alleged tensions between him and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Mr. Obama was responding to a question from a German television reporter, who noted that there has been certain "mild, sometimes even wild speculation" about the president not leaving much time for a visit with Merkel on his way from Cairo, Egypt, yesterday, where he gave his major address to the Muslim world, to Normandy, France, tomorrow where he will join in the commemoration ceremonies marking the 65th anniversary of the D-Day invasion. Some in the German press have suggested this constitutes a slight and is part of a history of tensions between the two leaders.
"I think your characterization of wild speculations is accurate — they are very wild and based on no facts," President Obama said, with a smile. "The truth of the matter is, is that the relationship not only between our two countries but our two governments is outstanding. Most of the speculation around my schedule here in Germany doesn't take into account simple logistics: traveling, trying to get from one place to the other, coming off a Middle East trip, having to go to Normandy tomorrow. There are only 24 hours in the day. And so there's nothing to any of that speculation beyond us just trying to fit in what we could do on such a short trip. That's all that there was."
The president then jokingly scolded the German reporters to his left.
"So stop it, all of you," he said." I know you have to find something to report on, but we have more than enough problems out there without manufacturing problems."
Merkel said that "it's fun to work together with the American President because very serious, very thorough analytical discussions very often lead us to draw the same conclusions…I very much look forward to our future cooperation."
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Ok, you all, you don’t know the drill, I set the tone and you adjust your questions accordingly (refer to the U.S. press corps.) If you are nice we’ll bring our dog over next time and you can throw a tennis ball for him to chase…
Now, Angie may get booted soon and I don’t have a lot of time (you know, being the unchallenged leader of the free world) for ‘has beens’ if you know what I mean.. anyway.. even if the frau wins, I’m just going to do it my way anyway.. so, she’s sort of just window dressing from my world view.
Just get along and go along..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 5, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am
When will he find the time to DO the job he was voted to do?
Is this the 2nd or 3rd time since his assent to power that he’s been over there apologizing,kissing and bowing to Kings?
Someone needs to pull his/our plane and ground it. Is he campaigning to become “World Wizard Weenie”? Seems like it to me!
Posted by: American Infidel | June 5, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Cultural differences. You have some angry people on the American Left, like the Obamas and Sotomayer. They came of age during the Blaxploitation film era of the 1970s, and fictional films such as Diary of Miss Jane Pittman and the fictional polagerized work ROOTS. You have the black panthers and weather underground and their ilk infiltrating universities and school systems to spread their grievances. In Germany, they’ve seen the immature Kaiser Welhelm who got them into WWI, and Hilter. They have see what happens when you run the printing presses on your currency. The cultural differences are a huge gulf.
Posted by: Colonel Rebel | June 5, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Oh please am getting so sick of the daily Obama show,when is he going to stop being President of the World and do the job he was elected to do being POTUS?
Posted by: SJ | June 5, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
More manufactured outrage.
The Presiden’t response was good, and on point.
Some people will find anything to complain about.
Posted by: DavidM | June 5, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
“American Infidel” you just don’t get it, do you? I suppose you were happier with the guy who kept taking vacations back on his fake ranch to do some fake “yard” work.
Obama is doing a lot of good work, the work we elected him to do. He isn’t making everyone happy and even those of us who voted for him question some of his decisions so far. But, you can be pretty sure he is striking a nice balance because he is getting some flack from the left and the right. Of course, flack from the right has that delusional shrill tone to it that makes most people tune it out.
Posted by: rightsaid | June 5, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Good work? Maybe someone needs to fax Obama the new jobless numbers, who cares he seem to be more interested in women getting to wear a hijab than finding work.
Yep he is doing an excellent job, so be happy
Posted by: SJ | June 5, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
@ american infidel
That talking point is getting old, would u go get a new one, i mean just go and listen to Rush, he’ll give u a new one about how the president wanna destroy america just like al Qaeda.
Pathetic!!
Posted by: dpg | June 5, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
SJ, American Infidel & Colonel Rebel – you all are just ridiculous. We just had 8 years of a President who spent 33% of his time on VACATION while the world and the country went to crap. Now after 130+ days you expect the war to be over, the recession to be over, etc. Get off of your high horses and start doing something constructive for your communities and your country instead of spewing your nonsense.
Posted by: swat68 | June 5, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
OH….I GET IT, SJ!!
It’s you that bought the dead horse and expect it to pull the cart.
Where…..has this man done anything here that hasn’t “cost” Americans their jobs? Where is the jobs promised?
While we’re on the subject, I thought he said the nation is “BROKE”. By the word “BROKE” he must mean “out of money”. Does that mean we get on AF1 and jet here and there and if you don’t see the problem it will go away? At least Bush didn’t vacation out of country!! Barry has more miles on AF1 in the 1st 137 days than Bush did in his 1st year.
Posted by: American Infidel | June 5, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
RJ and American Infidel.. we are the most powerful nation on earth and because we DO have a global economy, the President of the U.S. is already kind of the president of the world. Look at the recession/depression Obama inherited, it has impacted the entire world. Look at the Israel/Palestinian crisis…it has impacted the world. So for you two be criticizing Obama for going overseas is an incredible indication that you and those of your political ilk just have no clue. Just keep flapping your gums and shaking your fists at the sky like a crazy person. Obama can multitask, unlike his predecessor, so calm down…we got this.
Posted by: MarkieBee | June 5, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Sorry SJ…..I meant to post my note to “rightsaid”.
Sorry again, SJ!
Posted by: American Infidel | June 5, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Hey Colonel Rebel, so Obama is angry and is taking that anger out on the world because he watched “Superfly” as a teenager? LOL. Now I have heard it all. That is the most hilarious explanation yet. “Roots” was only the most-watched TV miniseries in historyso it wasn’t just African Americans watching. And what the hell does Kaiser Wilhelm have to do with anything going on today? There’s no one in Germany who lived under his administration and very few who lived under Hitler’s. Like I said, keep flapping the gums and shaking your fist at the sky…and wondering what happened to the GOP. Excuse me if you will, I gotta go watch some “Shaft.”
Posted by: MarkieBee | June 5, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
No dpg……apologizing, bowing and king kissing is gettin old!! So is the fact that Barry keeps telling us he is a Christian when it is as plain as the ears on his head, he is a closet Muslim. He has exposed Americas’ soft underbelly to our enemies and condones it!!
That my friend …… is treasonous in my book!!
Posted by: American Infidel | June 5, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
The President spoke of verse 5:32 in the Koran completely out of context yesterday, and omitted part of it.
Why?
What authority does he have quoting the Koran anyway and intepreting its meaning?
What would we say about the former President quoting the Koran, or Tony Blair when he did it?
Posted by: J House | June 5, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am
@swat68, you tell’em! President Obama wouldn’t have to create those jobs or bail out Wall Street if the fool who had been in office for the last 8 years had a clue what he was here for. Let’s all hope the GOP disintegrates and takes the base with them too.
Posted by: Major Domo | June 5, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am
“Barry has more miles on AF1 in the 1st 137 days than Bush did in his 1st year.”
Of course. Why would anybody expect otherwise? Bush was from the party of ‘do nothing’ government.
Posted by: Skip | June 5, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
It’s just the press, Obama. Much like Faux News, they also have to find lies to fill their airwaves, or they wouldn’t have anything to say.
Posted by: lisa | June 5, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
I do something for my community swat68 …… I help keep ACORN out.
What have you done lately? Help the dead vote? Have you volunteered your neighbors lawnmower to have another neighbor mow a deadbeats’ yard? Is that the kind of Community you’re talkin about? Forced Labor?
Ha!! That’ll be the day!!
Posted by: American Infidel | June 5, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
I’m no Islamic scholar, but when you leave chunks out of biblical verses, they can take on completely different meaning.
He conveniently forgot to mention the ‘making mischief’ clause in verse 5:32, which in verse 5:33 clearly refers to anyone that isn’t a Muslim qualifies for death in various ways.
And ironically, he is trying to tell the world via Koranic scripture that Islam is a religion of peace with non-muslims.
Posted by: J House | June 5, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Anyone who beleives that President Obama should have solved this economic crisis in the mere 4 months that he’s been in office is not to be taken seriously. The 8 years of damage done by the Bush Adminstration will take years to fix.
Posted by: hbpoliticker | June 5, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
To those complaining about AF1 miles BO has logged: yes, it’s understandable given that he’s making up for the stasis of the last 8 years. He needs to catch up real fast.
On the other hand, flying over a drowned American city in AF1 waving at people with signs that say “rescue us, please” is the both a waste of miles and insult rolled into one.
Posted by: Dave F | June 5, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Oh please am getting so sick of the daily Obama show,when is he going to stop being President of the World and do the job he was elected to do being POTUS?
Bush put less miles on plane because his first few months in presidencey he was
not putting out multiple fires of enconomics, domestic policy and foreign policy. Bush left a real mess. Our real president Cheeny is try to makes excuses for it. But the president who is left to address it is Barak Obama. God Bless him for that. May he keep him from harm from those people who want to hurt them may god break their legs so him know them by their limping.
Posted by: Pat | June 5, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
” May he keep him from harm from those people who want to hurt them may god break their legs so him know them by their limping.”
A good Christian on full display. A true patriot of freedom of speech. You deserve admiration for all those who proclaim superior morality.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am
I don’t know what’s better, the fact that we finally have a president who is intelligent, hardworking, and popular, or reading the reactions from the right-wing crazies who are so overwhelmed with impotent rage at losing the election that they’ve been relegated to ranting anonymous nonsense online.
The comments on this site are so shrill and ridiculous that I am tempted to believe that some of you have to be joking, if not, then I feel sorry for you folks who still believe Obama is a secret Muslim, shouldn’t be travelling on Air Force One, or was wrong to try to mend relations with Islam. If this is all you’ve got against him, then it’s gonna be a long 8 years for you.
Posted by: Chris | June 5, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
It’s simple. The republicans just want America to make stupid decisions about the rest of the world based on stereotypes and fake connections of countries out to get us. I’m glad President Obama is going out there and looking at the world and trying to find what the best route is for our country.
Posted by: Hasin | June 5, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
“He conveniently forgot to mention the ‘making mischief’ clause in verse 5:32, which in verse 5:33 clearly refers to anyone that isn’t a Muslim qualifies for death in various ways.”
You conveniently forget the many passages in the HOLY BIBLE that tell us to “utterly destroy” our enemies before us – man, woman and child.
All major religions use this destruction theme- all of them are symbolic of us destroying the “man of flesh” that is within us. Only illiterate fanatics assume that the Bible and the Koran are ALWAYS speaking Literally….thus Christians and Muslims alike justify their war-mongering
Posted by: Fiona | June 5, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
I thought Merkel’s points about meeting in what used to be a town in the Soviet part of a divided Germany were poignant. We need to be capable of imagining the solutions before we can begin to implement them. To all the cynics, just get out of the way and those that see the larger picture and have the courage to strive for lasting change can get to work. On the point of the article, to anyone who even has the slightest ability to read body language, Merkel really does like interacting and collaborating with Obama. I just don’t believe one get’s anywhere with arrogance and paranoia and that’s what was on display for all the world to behold with our last administration. Right now we have a leader that we can be proud of and who plays well with others. Oh thank you, thank you, thank you!
Posted by: Catherine | June 5, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“The 8 years of damage done by the Bush Adminstration will take years to fix.”
Actually if you look at the statistics, our economy was booming from September 2003 thru December 2007. And in spite of the hits to the economy (i.e., housing market downturn, skyrocketing energy prices and the subprime flexible mortgage crisis) GDP continued to grow through the first two quarters of 2008. In April 2008 the unemployment rate was 5.0%.
However last year being an election year, the campaign rhetoric by the Democrats–and especially then Sen. Obama–AND the lack of action, until it was too late, by the Democratically controlled Congress, in spite of warnings by the Bush Adminstration, DROVE the economy into the ground.
During the primaries, talk of rescinding the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, along with the rhetoric of wealth redistribution caused the wealthy to change their spending habits. Their cutting back spending exasperated the subprime flexible mortgage debacle as massive layoffs began. During the general election and following the election the economy spiraled down further as reality set in that the Democrats were going to win and then, in fact, did win the election, the spending by the wealthy practically grounded to a halt.
Just look at the unemployment numbers from May 2008 through May 2009 and you can see for yourself:
May 2008 — 5.5
June 2008 — 5.6
July 2008 — 5.8
August 2008 — 6.2
September 2008 — 6.2
October 2008 — 6.6
November — 6.8
December — 7.2
January — 7.6
February — 8.1
March 2008 — 8.5
April 2008 — 8.9
May 2008 — 9.4
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Sorry the last five months should have been 2009
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Hey Chris you must be mistaken…you are confusing education with intelligence…there is a difference…Obama is well educated which trains him to speak well….it remains to be seen whether he is very intelligent…that relys on his policies and how successful they are…I’m not as confident as you are that he is anything more than an average intelligent person with a good education…if you can’t see the difference than you think that your education makes you intelligent…thats not correct
Posted by: phillysmart | June 5, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
“During the primaries, talk of rescinding the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, along with the rhetoric of wealth redistribution caused the wealthy to change their spending habits.”
ROFLMAO!
Yes the rich were in total fear of a 2% tax hike as discussed in campaign rhetoric!
That’s what is causing unemployment now, not the total economic meltdown that occurred on Bush’s watch.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the delusional rationalizations of the right wing.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
=== What right did Bush have to tell us that he had a mandate from God to invade Iraq? ===
I have frequently seen this statement and have never been able to find the quote from him. Do you know when and where he said it?
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Think-4-once..You would capitalize Muslim; however, you will not capitalize “bible” as in Christian Bible…Yes, I agree, bigotry can be very embarrassing, as well as hypocrisy..
Posted by: Parallax View | June 5, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
“I have frequently seen this statement and have never been able to find the quote from him. Do you know when and where he said it?”
George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: “President Bush said to all of us: ‘I am driven with a mission from God’. God would tell me, ‘George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan’. And I did. And then God would tell me ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq’. And I did.”
Mr Bush went on: “And now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me, ‘Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East’. And, by God, I’m gonna do it.”
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
“Barry has more miles on AF1 in the 1st 137 days than Bush did in his 1st year.”
New made up right wing talking point?
Which talking head is passing around that idiocy?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Ryan C., I don’t know where you get your 2% figure!
In 2001 the tax brackets were between:
$0 – $27,050 15%
$27,050 – $65,550 27.5%
$65,550 – $136,750 30.5%
$136,750 – $297,350 35.5%
$297,350 – Above 39.1%
In 2008 the tax brackets were between:
$0 – $8,025 10%
$8,025 – $32,550 15%
$32,550 – $78,850 25%
$78,850 – $164,550 28%
$164,550 – $357,700 33%
$357,700 – Above 35%
An individual with an AGI of $1,000,000 in 2001 had a federal tax liability of $368,110.
An individual with an AGI of $1,000,000 in 2008 had a federal tax liability of $328,597.
That was a $39,513 difference in federal tax liability. Going back to the 2001 tax rate would be a 12.0% tax increase. And that would be just the federal income tax hike. Some state income tax rates are also going up.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
it remains to be seen whether he is very intelligent…that relys on his policies and how successful they are
Posted by: phillysmart
by that definition Bush was a first class moron.
Posted by: Mr. Billsdf | June 5, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
“Going back to the 2001 tax rate would be a 12.0% tax increase.”
Except the only proposals for the raise in rates was on the two highest brackets.
Obama’s proposal changed the pramaeters of the top two tax brackets in additional to returning their rates to pre-2001.
You would be looking at a 4% increase in the highest bracket.
But you bring up an interesting point James, if you feel the rhetoric was responsible for people changing their spending habits, let me ask you a question then.
Which media was screaming about wealth redistribution and the supposedly coming punitive taxes for successful people?
James, are you blaming the right wing media for panicking the rich and causing the economic crisis?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Ryan C,
According to you, the Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath (who could justifiably be termed an enemy) made a negative statement about George Bush, and you believe it 100%.
You probably believe the Gitmo prisoners when they claim they were tortured, despite the fact that al Qaeda teaches them to make unfounded claims of torture so they can play on the psyche of the guilt-ridden American liberals.
Does the word “gullible” mean anything to you?
Posted by: Nick in Virginia | June 5, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
@phillysmart:
Obama has shown again and again that he has an above average intellect. An education IS what makes you intelligent, and his knowledge of the issues and ability to succeed in the world of academia and politics has proven that. I don’t know why a disdain for education has become a popular opinion in this country, but it needs to stop. We have enough problems convincing young people of the value of an education as it is.
The idea that Obama has anything to prove when it comes to his intellect is ridiculous, and it makes me wonder: Would these same questions be asked of Obama if he wasn’t an African American? I see the same questions being asked about Judge Sotomayor as well, despite the fact that she has also shown through her acheivements to be extremely intelligent, and has better qualifications than any Supreme Court nominee in 100 years.
Posted by: Chris | June 5, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
As for 0bama’s “Stop it, all of you” crack:
I consider highly improper for an American President to try to control what reporters can say or not say. He has pulled the same stunt over here.
Instead of using his middle name, Hussein, he should change it to “Hugo” (as in Chavez). It would be more appropriate to his true character, and he wouldn’t even have to change his monograms.
Posted by: Nick in Virginia | June 5, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
“According to you, the Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath (who could justifiably be termed an enemy) made a negative statement about George Bush, and you believe it 100%.”
Nope, Axey asked where the story came from. I provided the excerpt.
I did not comment on the veracity or a secondhand quote.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“U.S. stocks climbed on Friday after a report that showed a marked slowing in the pace of job losses.”
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“…in spite of warnings by the Bush Adminstration…”
What warnings? The Bush administration, the McCain campaign and the RNC were all telling us that the economy was fine. Look at that big bubbly DOW they said.
Posted by: Skip | June 5, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
“His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that’s why I did not refer the case” for prosecution.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.”
What definition of torture? She has the definitive legal definition of torture and what techniques it applies to!! Awesome lets see it.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
“The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.”
Saudi Arabia observes this in Koranic law…
As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is mighty, wise.
So did Obama shake the hand and seek the wisdom of a torturer!?!? Obama supports torture in other nations?
What is defined as torture seems to move and flow along politics and security more than any thought out legal definition. But it’s all a lie of course, a right wing lie. You caught em Ryan.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
“What definition of torture? She has the definitive legal definition of torture and what techniques it applies to”
Probably this
“Torture, as defined by Article 1 of the 1984 Convention Against Torture, is the “cruel, inhumane, or degrading” infliction of severe pain or suffering, physical or mental, on a prisoner to obtain information or a confession, or to mete out a punishment for a suspected crime.”
She was not the only one.
“A leaked 2004 report by CIA inspector general John Helgerson found that several of the interrogation techniques approved by the agency may violate some of the provisions of the Convention on Torture”
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
“So did Obama shake the hand and seek the wisdom of a torturer!?!? Obama supports torture in other nations?”
Awwww right wing sadists are upset Obama told them they could not torture anymore.
And worse yet Obama told the world that Americans will no longer torture.
The president told the BBC before the trip that while there are “obviously” human rights issues in some Middle East countries, it is not the U.S.’s role to lecture.
“The danger, I think, is when the United States, or any country, thinks that we can simply impose these values on another country with a different history and a different culture,” he said, adding that America should focus on being a “role model.”
“We’re not going to get countries to embrace our values simply by lecturing or through military means,” Mr. Obama told National Public Radio before the trip. As for Mubarak, the president has called him a “stalwart ally.”
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
“Torture, as defined by Article 1 of the 1984 Convention Against Torture, is the “cruel, inhumane, or degrading” infliction of severe pain or suffering, physical or mental, on a prisoner to obtain information or a confession, or to mete out a punishment for a suspected crime.”
Who decides which techniques this applies to? My point being is eventually it always comes down to an OPINION. Even in the quote you posted..
“…may violate…”
MAY violate, who decides? Who is the definitive person that decides, oh yes this is torture but this here, this is not. Does cutting of the hands of thieves constitute torture under our definiton. Damn straight it does. So Saudi Arabia tortures its people and we’re shaking their hands and seeking their wisdom?
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
“Awwww right wing sadists are upset Obama told them they could not torture anymore.”
Wha..? Your dillusional sometimes.
Point being, you are so sure what torture is yet deny that when using your definition of torture, calling it torture, you overlook it in other countries? Claiming that there is a definative definition of torture, other nations obviously do not share that opinion so which definition is correct? The definition of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, or the definition from Ryan C?
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
===George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.===
That’s it? That is the justification for saying “What right did Bush have to tell us that he had a mandate from God to invade Iraq”? I hope there is more. I hope there is a reporter, a video, an audio, of Bush saying that. Otherwise, I call BS.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
“”So Saudi Arabia tortures its people and we’re shaking their hands and seeking their wisdom?”
Maybe you would prefer them holding hands and having long standing business ties?
According to our laws and our traditions, we tortured people.
Gonzo and Woo tried to make it appear otherwise by changing the accepted definition of torture.
Why bother to do so if everything was on the up and up?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
“That’s it? That is the justification for saying “What right did Bush have to tell us that he had a mandate from God to invade Iraq”?”
That is where the story comes from.
I would agree that secondhand quotes are to be viewed skeptically.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
===Nope, Axey asked where the story came from. I provided the excerpt. ===
I expected more than a story. I expected facts. There weren’t any facts in your story. I doubt seriously if Bush would have said those words. Maybe something was lost in the translation like people claiming Bush heard God speaking, literally, when he said he prayed and God answered him.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
===That is where the story comes from.===
Then the person using it as an argument should stop doing so? I’m glad you agree with me.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“Maybe you would prefer them holding hands and having long standing business ties?”
Not going to get into the business stuff cause its all BS. But no, I personally do not have issue with Obama shaking hands with the Sauds, I support him on that. They are important allies in the region. My arguement is that no lefty on these forums, as per their past exclamations about the Sauds, should be. Did simply replacing a Republican with a Democrat mend all those Saud fences? Thats pretty hypocritical.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“Claiming that there is a definative definition of torture, other nations obviously do not share that opinion so which definition is correct? The definition of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, or the definition from Ryan C?”
The UN convention spells out torture.
That some countries do not follow it does not render it moot.
But leave to a right winger to think we should adhere to a human rights standard that most Americans are appalled by because after all other countries do it.
Let me guess, you spent most of your young life blaming your siblings for your actions.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
===But leave to a right winger to think we should adhere to a human rights standard that most Americans are appalled by because after all other countries do it. ===
Actually, the polls are trending in favor of right wingers on this issue. Seems more people prefer to be safe or something. I mean, otherwise, there are a lot of right wingers out there swinging the polling.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
“The UN convention spells out torture.”
UN conventions, or any other definition of torture, determines which tecnniques are torture and which are not. It is determined through opinion. This isn’t that hard to follow.
“That some countries do not follow it does not render it moot.”
Never did I say it rendered it moot. I said that their opinion what is and what is not torture will be different everywhere because its OPINION. You do not have the definitive opinion, you have YOUR opinion, as I have MY opinion. (And please, stop with the right wingers support torture freakin BS, that is childish comment from a usually otherwise intelligent poster like below).
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But leave to a right winger to think we should adhere to a human rights standard that most Americans are appalled by because after all other countries do it.
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“Let me guess, you spent most of your young life blaming your siblings for your actions.”
So you make an assumption about my personal upbringing for what purpose? I have kept my conversation in front, posing the same hypothetical techniques that the left did with Bush, and you resort to a personal attack? Maybe I had too much respect for you.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Actually, the polls are trending in favor of right wingers on this issue. Seems more people prefer to be safe or something”
Unfortunately too many people believe the fallacy of the ticking time bomb scenario when you couple that will Bush admin lies that this stuff saved lives, then you have a fooled public.
For instance, when near majorities thought Saddam was involved in 9/11 thanks to the Bush admin carefully conflating the two.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
“So you make an assumption about my personal upbringing for what purpose?”
Because you have a they did it first attitude.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Stop it, all of you!
Posted by: Keenan | June 5, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
“Because you have a they did it first attitude.”
They did it first attitude? Um.. not sure how you arrived at that ok. I pointed out that other countries, other cultures, have a varied opinion on what is and what is not torture. That there is no definitive opinion on what is and what is not torture. It comes down to opinion, which will vary from a Russian, to a German, to an American, to a Jordanian. Anyone who claims they know what is and what is not torture is giving their opinion, not the definitive opinion.
“For instance, when near majorities thought Saddam was involved in 9/11 thanks to the Bush admin carefully conflating the two.”
Bush, Democrats and Republicans highlighted Saddams tie to terrorism. Pundits on the left have been the ones to concentrate on changing that to 911. It is true, he had nothing to do with 911. But the war is on terror, not just the ones who were responsible for 911. By that rationale, we dont care about the Embassy bombings in Yemen because they were not tied to 911. Sillyness.
Granted, we didn’t invade Lebenon or Syria, or any other nation that throws support behind terror. That is because Saddam had much more than just that. The authorization for use of force in Iraq explains why we went, signed by both parties. If that wasn’t good enough today, then hold both parties responsible.
Posted by: KR | June 5, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
===For instance, when near majorities thought Saddam was involved in 9/11 thanks to the Bush admin carefully conflating the two.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 5, 2009 2:41:47 PM===
My goodness, your facts are really just stories, aren’t they? For instance, before Bush ever uttered a word, the majority of Americans thought Saddam was involved. I’m sure Bill Clinton has no idea why they would have that idea. And ABC and Leslie Stahl wouldn’t know either. Just as the majority of Americans thought Iraq was involved in the OKC bombing. And the first WTC bombing. All because of Bush 43. Amazing man, isn’t he?
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
I think that she has yet to get to know Obama. While she won’t be getting the neck massages she did from the previous president, I think Obama can still make a good impression on her.
Posted by: Brandon | June 5, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
“That is because Saddam had much more than just that.”
Yes he had non existent WMD’s that he was going to give to Al Queda through his non existent ties.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
“The authorization for use of force in Iraq explains why we went, signed by both parties. If that wasn’t good enough today, then hold both parties responsible.”
ROFLMAO!
After insisting that I had no reason to chastise, right wing now demands I chastise everyone.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
“My goodness, your facts are really just stories, aren’t they? For instance, before Bush ever uttered a word, the majority of Americans thought Saddam was involved.”
FoxNews viewers were 4 times as likely to believe that even after it was demonstrated that was not true.
I wonder why…
Could it be the right wing media is inherently dishonest?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“Granted, we didn’t invade Lebenon or Syria, or any other nation that throws support behind terror…”
Or any other nation that doesn’t have significant oil reserves.
Posted by: Skip | June 5, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Who better to know about “wild speculation,based on no facts” than barack hussein himself and his own teleprompted orations.
Posted by: joey55 | June 5, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Maybe all she needs is a shoulder massage.
Posted by: Gary Smith | June 5, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
It is nice to see our President continuing to move forward with his political initiatives. Does it not make you proud to see a good Christian man at work trying to bring peace to the world. I am so proud I voted for him. It is times like these that make you proud to be an American
Posted by: JMikey54 | June 5, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Ryan C.,
In December last year, President-Elect Obama said on Meet the Press, “My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they’re not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans? We don’t yet know what the best approach is going to be.”
He didn’t mention letting just the top two tax brackets expire. Incidentally, in order to do that Congress would still have to write a new bill which renewed the tax breaks for the lower brackets.
Now as for wealth redistribution, candidate Obama–himself–said, “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” It was his own words NOT right wing fear mongering.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
===Could it be the right wing media is inherently dishonest?
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 5, 2009 12:17:14 PM===
Or less forgetful. Google Leslie Stahl, 1998, Hussein bin Laden. You should enjoy the video.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
The reporter was Sheila MacVicar. Leslie Stahl is at another affiliate. Sorry about that ABC.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
“In December last year, President-Elect Obama said on Meet the Press”
His full quote
“Well, understand what my original tax plan was. It was a net tax cut. Ninety-five percent of working families would get tax relief. To help pay for that, people like you and me, Tom, who make more than a quarter million dollars a year, would play — pay slightly more. We’d essentially go back to the tax rates that existed back in the 1990s. My economic team right now is examining do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that when the Bush tax cuts expire they’re not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans? And we don’t yet know what the best approach is going to be, but the overall thrust is going to be that 95% of working families are going to get a tax cut, and the wealthiest Americans, who disproportionately benefited not only from tax cuts from the Bush administration but also disproportionately benefited when it comes to corporate profits and where the gains and productivity were going, they are going to give up a little bit more.”
“He didn’t mention letting just the top two tax brackets expire.”
he makes very clear who he is considering raising taxes on just as he did throughout the campaign.
“Now as for wealth redistribution, candidate Obama–himself–said, “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
He said this in October.
Your original claim was that such rhetoric scared the rich and changed their spending habits exacerbating the subprime mess therefore causing the economic mess we currently find our selves in.
So how full of it are you James Danley?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
“Or less forgetful. Google Leslie Stahl, 1998, Hussein bin Laden. You should enjoy the video.”
Because what was reported in 1998 can’t possibly be trumped by say the 91/11 commission!
“Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein’s government and Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was “overwhelming.”
But the report of the commission’s staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday’s hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.
The staff report said that bin Laden “explored possible cooperation with Iraq” while in Sudan through 1996, but that “Iraq apparently never responded” to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, “but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.”
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
“We’d essentially go back to the tax rates that existed back in the 1990s.”
Where does he say that only the top two tax brackets are raised? Yes, only those making $250,000 will have their taxes raised. But apparently you don’t understand how the progressive tax works. Based on the 2001 tax rates:
$0 – $27,050 15%
$27,050 – $65,550 27.5%
$65,550 – $136,750 30.5%
$136,750 – $297,350 35.5%
$297,350 – Above 39.1%
Even the wealthiest individuals would pay 15% of their first $27,049; 27.5% between the previous and $65,549; 30.5% between the previous and $136,749; 35.5% between the previous and $297,349; and THEN 39.1% anything $297,350 and above.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
===Because what was reported in 1998 can’t possibly be trumped by say the 91/11 commission!===
I must admit you change the bar faster than anyone I’ve ever seen. That wasn’t what we were discussing. We were discussing why a majority of the public thought Saddam was behind 9/11 before Bush ever opened his mouth. Long before the commission was even, well, commissioned.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Where does he say that only the top two tax brackets are raised?”
His proposals are for 2010 budget which can be looked up in the Green book put out by the office of the tax policy that was released early in May 2009.
A summary
“Currently there are six tax brackets: 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, and 35%. Those tax brackets were implemented in 2001 and are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010. Obama proposes to continue using the 10% through 28% tax rates and to replace the top two rates with 36% and 39.6% rates.”
But I am curious James Danley how Obama comments on wealth redistribution in Oct 2008 somehow spooked the rich into changing their spending habits resulting in our economic collapse.
Or was that just another right wing lie?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Ryan C so you admit there were contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda! That’s what the Bush Administration said–contacts. But they were also adamant that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
“We were discussing why a majority of the public thought Saddam was behind 9/11 before Bush ever opened his mouth.”
Actually it was near majorities.
And the bulk of those people were apparently gullible FoxNews (oxymoron?) viewers who were 4 times as likely to believe that demonstrably false issue more than any other media.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
“But they were also adamant that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11.”
When 3 days ago, during the Cheney legacy rehab tour?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Ryan C., it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that when you say your going to tax those making $250,000 or more and give a tax cut to the bottom 95%, that wealth is being redistributed. The wealthy easily understood this. What was shocking was when he actually made the October comment and blatantly acknowledged that he advocated wealth redistribution.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
===And the bulk of those people were apparently gullible FoxNews (oxymoron?) viewers who were 4 times as likely to believe that demonstrably false issue more than any other media.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 5, 2009 2:19:42 PM===
Wrong again. It was a WaPo poll, with no way of knowing where they got their news since it wasn’t a question asked. Anyway, you have a narrative and it fits for ya’ so carry on.
Posted by: Axey | June 5, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that when you say your going to tax those making $250,000 or more and give a tax cut to the bottom 95%, that wealth is being redistributed.”
ROFLMAO!
This is hilarious, you claim the rhetoric scared the rich ignoring economic factors like the housing market.
And yet you refuse to say anything about the media that reported that rhetoric in the scariest frame possible!
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“Wrong again. It was a WaPo poll, with no way of knowing where they got their news since it wasn’t a question asked.”
I was referring to a media study done a couple of years ago in which people were asked what news (Fox, CNN, PBS etc) they watched then were asked if 4 demonstrably false statements about Iraq were true.
FoxNews viewers were 4 times as likely as the others to believe the demonstrably false statements to be true.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Ryan C, I am still trying to figure out if the DNC pays you by the word or by the number of comment. I see you are back with a vengence, gleefully playing fast and loose with facts but demanding that anyone who has a different opinion provide exact quotes from sources of which you approve with copious footnotes. I’m rooting for James Danley and KR, personally. Besides the fact that they are correct more often than not, they do not resort to calling their sparring partners names or making blanket statements like “everyone in this group I do not agree with always lies.”
Posted by: moderate | June 5, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Ryan C., I have a question for you. In 2006 the top 5%–those making greater than $153,542 (the top 1% made greater than $388,806; but the IRS did not release stats specifically for those making over $250,000) paid a total of $615,680,000,000. So if, AS YOU SAY, President Obama is only going to raise their taxes 4%, even if that increase was for those making more than $153,342 that would mean a total increase of $24,627,200,000.
How would an increase of $24 billion additional revenue pay for a $1 trillion healthcare program?
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Ryan C. which is it? First you said it was the right-wing lie; then you said it was the media that reported that rhetoric in the scariest frame possible. I say it wasn’t fear mongering but telling the truth about candidate Obama’s agenda. The wealthy understood this and began changing their spending habits.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
“Ryan C, I am still trying to figure out if the DNC pays you by the word or by the number of comment.”
Yes I must be paid!
I mean no one else could possibly have an education and access to google, he must have some large organization behind him!
I guess it helps your ego to think you are going against some paid operative rather than some random liberal who posts for fun.
“I see you are back with a vengence, gleefully playing fast and loose with facts but demanding that anyone who has a different opinion provide exact quotes from sources of which you approve with copious footnotes.’
ROFLMAO!
Translation: its not fair that Ryan C points out when and where the right wing is lying.
“I’m rooting for James Danley and KR, personally. Besides the fact that they are correct more often than not”
James Danley insisted that Obama seeks a return of all tax rates to pre 2001 Bus tax cuts in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
But hey keep enjoying the right wing lies while pretending to remain above it all.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Sorry, I forgot to address the comment: “…you claim the rhetoric scared the rich.”
No, not “scared.” They were just being realistic. They understood that if Obama were elected that their federal income taxes would be raised. So they prepared for that increase by altering their spending habits.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
“First you said it was the right-wing lie;”
It is a right wing lie.
“then you said it was the media that reported that rhetoric in the scariest frame possible.”
Yes.
See you believe that rhetoric caused the economic meltdown, I ask if you believe that, why you do not criticize the right wing media that framed the rhetoric in the scariest terms possible?
I mean if scary rhetoric is what caused the change in spending habits, would you not be furious with those who cast Obama’s rhetoric in the most frightening light?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Ryan C., wrote: “James Danley insisted that Obama seeks a return of all tax rates to pre 2001 Bus(h) tax cuts in the face of all evidence to the contrary.”
It is my understanding that everyone making $250,000 or more will pay the SAME federal income tax rates as before the 2001 tax cuts. That would have to include the reverting of the lower tax brackets for those making $250,000 as well — if you take the literal meaning of “the same” tax rates as before the 2001 tax cuts.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
“They were just being realistic. They understood that if Obama were elected that their federal income taxes would be raised. So they prepared for that increase by altering their spending habits”
Hmmm so campaign rhetoric trumps enacted policy, I wonder how that played out historically.
Clinton promised to raise taxes in 1992, the economy recovered from a recession.
Bush promised to cut taxes in 2000, we experienced an economic downturn.
Could it be that rhetoric (as opposed to enacted policy) from candidates had little bearing on the economy and that far larger factors such as people being overextended, the collapse of the housing bubble etc?
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
“It is my understanding that everyone making $250,000 or more will pay the SAME federal income tax rates as before the 2001 tax cuts. That would have to include the reverting of the lower tax brackets for those making $250,000 as well if you take the literal meaning of “the same” tax rates as before the 2001 tax cuts.”
If you take the literal meaning?
Trying awfully hard to wriggle out of your outright lie there James.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 5, 2009, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Let me make these even more clear. In 2008 the wealthiest wage earners paid 10% of their first $8,024 and 15% between $8,025 and $32,550. In 2001 they paid 15% of their first $27,050.
IF the wealthy are going to have their taxes raise to the pre-Bush tax cut rate then they would HAVE to have the lower tax brackets raised to the previous rates as well. NOT on those making less than $250,000 but only for those making at least $250,000.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
If you look at my previous comments they have been very consistent. Go back to my comment posted at 9:45:15 AM, where I wrote: “That was a $39,513 difference in federal tax liability. Going back to the 2001 tax rate would be a 12.0% tax increase. And that would be just the federal income tax hike. Some state income tax rates are also going up.”
That is consistent with the literal meaning of “having their taxes raised to the pre-Bush tax cut rates.” If the lower rates are NOT raised for those making at least $250,000 then their tax liability will not match that of the pre-Bush tax cuts.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
“Clinton promised to raise taxes…” “Bush promised to cut taxes…”
There is a flaw in the argument to extend what happened in 2008 to previous elections.
First of all, one of the main differences is that Obama was singling out the wealthy for the tax hikes; while at the same time promising to cut taxes on the other 95% of the workers. Clinton’s rhetoric called for an across the board tax hike; and the 1992 election was fairly close. In fact, had it not been for Ross Perot, the Republicans probably would have won that election. And we all know how close the 2000 election was. Besides, it doesn’t make since to start spending more of your money to support tax cuts, especially if the tax cutter may not win the election.
Posted by: James Danley | June 5, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Since money is merely a repository of value and that value is only what we agree it to be at any given moment,the issue of taxation is only meaningful in terms of what one gets individually for the taxes paid. And that is intricately entwined with what we all get communally.
Shouldn’t those who benefit most for the social organization which we all finance pay the most for it both in absolute and relative terms?
Nitpicking over marginal rates is likewise not particularly useful in a discussion of any individual or common good derived from taxation. Afterall, what good does it do for one to have more money of less value? Perhaps we could ask a Zimbabwean.
Maybe all Angela Merkel, Ryan C. and James Danley need is a shoulder massage.
Posted by: Gary Smith | June 5, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
even if it no longer ‘pays’ to be wealthy.. it has never ‘paid’ to be poor….
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 6, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
I don’t know who you guys are, but I read this stuff and wanted to jump in.
First, the tax code has always “redistributed wealth”. When the Government builds a road, it redistributes wealth to the contractors who build it. When they put NASA in Houston they redistribute wealth to people who live in Houston. Even with a flat rate for everyone, wealth is distributed by government spending, even spending the Republicans would agree with like military spending. Not everyone gets the equal benefit of taxes collected and government spending. Some states pay more in taxes than they get back. That’s redistributes wealth. The only question is wheterh the spending is good or bad. Republicans think Social Security is bad and is socialism. I don’t. Republicans think health care for all Americans is bad. I don’t.
Nothing Obama said caused the economic downturn. The recession started in Dec. 2007. No one thought Obama would win at that time. And he was not increasing taxes, he was just proposing not renewing the Bush tax cuts that were made during war and created 5 Trillion Dollars in debt. What moron cuts taxes in times of war? Oh yeah, I am going to spend a Trillion Dollars in Iraq but I am not going to have anyone pay for it. Those tax cuts are to expire in 2010. Not even the Republicans thought they should be permanent at the time they were enacted. Obama’s statements or policies didn’t make the auto industry fail, didn’t cause the Banks to beg for a bail out. The car execs and bankers came to Bush first and they wanted GOVERNMENT to save them. The private capital markets couldn’t. And the bankers and auto execs were REPUBLICANS, the titans of industry.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: alanmarv528 | June 6, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I like the factual stuff (mar.. 528)..
All true.. once the corporate entities robbed the public (401K’s, Banking, Oil/Gas..etc.) .. and the money was upwardly redistributed.. the gov’t. now jumps in and says.. hey we need that money back.. and we will redistribute it (minus our cut and minus our supporters’ cut of it)…
Everyone in the middle and poorer classes gets robbed.. before and after…
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 6, 2009, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
alanmarv528, the Senate Republicans had to enact a procedural move that prohibited a filibuster just to get the tax cuts passed. The Republicans made multiple attempts at getting both the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts made permanent but they just didn’t have the votes in the Senate.
You are right, the powers that be did declared that the recession began in December 2007. Which is interesting because the traditional definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of GDP retraction. Yet GDP actually grew in both the first and second quarters of 2008. Job losses began in January 2008, ending 52 consecutive months of job growth.
Posted by: James Danley | June 6, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
so in Germany, like here in the U.S. some reporters want to creat a controversy where there isn’t one. Just goes to show you, people are the same the world over. Is it because it is a lot easier to fabricate a story than to do the research and investigation that go with real journalism?
Posted by: Lydia | June 6, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
The real story is that Barry didn’t get Merkel to budge on the Gitmo detainees.
He bullies Americans but sweet talks foreigners. Neither has accomplished anything positive.
Posted by: Dugan | June 7, 2009, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Puh…leaze
Posted by: Gary Smith | June 7, 2009, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Puh…leaze, “(Obama) bullies Americans but sweet talks foreigners. Neither has accomplished anything positive.”
Who writes these talking points?
Posted by: Gary Smith | June 7, 2009, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion
On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.
This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated “Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America’s Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member.”
A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.
Posted by: dave | June 9, 2009, 8:34 am 8:34 am