By Caitlin Taylor

Jun 11, 2009 8:07am

The Note, 6/11/2009: Table Hopping — As groups choose sides, Obama chooses venues in health care push

By RICK KLEIN Those seats around the table are getting warmer. They’re not as comfortable as they looked in February. By the time dinner is served, they’re going to be downright hot. (There might be a few empty chairs by then, too.) And so President Obama moves the table on Thursday — to Green Bay, Wis., as American as cheddar cheese and football, with the waistlines to match — and a few health care stories to tell. The president is taking the debate outside of Washington to use a rhetorical device he used repeatedly during the campaign: personal story as political argument.  One reason? The public option won’t be an option unless the public is on board.  Between town-hall meetings, e-mailed testimonials, and Organizing for America pressure and events, the president is building the public argument for health care reform at a time that the opposition has taken firm shape.  With the big boys choosing sides — now it’s the Chamber of Commerce and the American Medical Association voicing major concerns — we know what the other side will say about the Obama plan even before we know what the bill itself would do: that it taxes too much, that it costs too much, that your health care will be affected, that it’s the road to — wait for it — socialized medicine.   Now the White House aims to beat the big arguments with small ones: personal tales, local examples, tugs at emotional heartstrings. And getting out of town means the biggest voice is all his own. The hope for change begins in Green Bay: “Today’s town-hall-style meeting, his first as president to promote health reform, is intended to spotlight one city’s strategy for squeezing out waste without hurting quality,” Ceci Connolly reports in The Washington Post. “What Obama is likely to hear in Green Bay is testimony to the value of digital records, physician collaboration, preventive care and transparency, say those most involved in Wisconsin’s innovative approach.”    “In Green Bay, Obama is likely to note the widespread variation in how medicine is practiced and the huge variation in costs, after adjusting for demographics, among different parts of the country with no clear difference in quality,” Guy Boulton writes in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “Wisconsin’s health care system overall is among the most efficient in the country. But cost variations can be seen in the state.”    The town-hall event, at Green Bay’s Southwest High School, starts at 1:10 pm ET.    (Plus another tragedy — one that can’t be divorced from politics — Wednesday’s shooting at the Holocaust Museum. “Time to Apologize to Janet Napolitano?” asks Ryan Sager, at TrueSlant.com.)    (If this does re-start the culture wars, how long before guns become part of the battle?)    Choosing sides: “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it will spend $100 million in an effort to stem the ‘rapidly growing influence of government over private-sector activity,’ in a major new move by the powerful business group to counter the Obama administration’s regulatory agenda,” Christopher Conkey reports in The Wall Street Journal. “Meanwhile, the Service Employees International Union launched a campaign to counter the Chamber’s effort, including an online ad that juxtaposes a businessman stuffing cash in his pocket with a child who has no health insurance.”  Can a public option survive? “The American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system,” Robert Pear writes in The New York Times. “The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.”    (The president gets to play in-person pushback Monday, when he’ll address the AMA’s policy-making House of Delegates, per the Chicago Tribune’s Bruce Japsen.) Rallying the troops (but what about the votes?): “The public option is just phony. It’s a bait-and-switch tactic meant to reassure people that the president’s goals are less radical than they are. Mr. Obama’s real aim, as some candid Democrats admit, is a single-payer, government-run health-care system,” Karl Rove writes in his Wall Street Journal column. “Defeating the public option should be a top priority for the GOP this year. Otherwise, our nation will be changed in damaging ways almost impossible to reverse.”    “Even the optimists in the White House acknowledge privately that it will be hard to collect more than a handful of GOP votes in the House, where most of their efforts focus on negotiating agreements between liberal and conservative Democrats,” David Broder writes in his column. “The time may come — either before or after the House votes on its bill — when Obama may have to demonstrate his flexibility on the issue of a government-run option.”    A compromise? “Senators drafting health-care overhaul legislation, seeking to win Republican support, are weighing whether to create nonprofit cooperatives to expand insurance coverage,” Bloomberg’s Laura Litvan writes. “The potential appeal to Republicans is that the cooperatives would not be federally managed. Instead, the programs would be operated by their premium-paying members.”    “The compromise offered by Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., would create health care cooperatives owned by groups of residents and small businesses, similar to how electric or other cooperatives operate,” the AP’s Erica Werner reports. “They’d be nonprofit, and without the government involvement that troubles Republicans and business groups about the public plan options.”    That might not even be the biggest fight: “The prospect of new taxes, new fees for businesses and cutbacks in other government spending has set off a furious behind-the-scenes struggle that is reviving the old maxim attributed to the late Sen. Russell Long of Louisiana: ‘Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree,’ ” Noam N. Levey and Janet Hook write in the Los Angeles Times.    “The jockeying is expected to become public soon,” they write. “And it’s already worrying Democrats on Capitol Hill, where there is little consensus about how to come up with hundreds of billions of dollars. It also provides an indication of how hard it may be to maintain broad support once it gets down to specifics.”   Forget bipartisanship — how about getting one party on board first? “President Barack Obama’s plan for a government health insurance program has touched off an increasingly fierce Democratic civil war on Capitol Hill, as liberals fearful about squandering the chance to achieve that goal are taking aggressive steps to keep moderates in line,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown reports.    One at a time, now: “Democratic leaders appeared to clear the way Wednesday for passage of a $100 billion war supplemental, even as they worked furiously to repair internal rifts over health care and climate change legislation,” Steven T. Dennis and Emily Pierce write for Roll Call.    “The deal also includes $5 billion in aid to the International Monetary Fund, despite the strong opposition of House Republicans. It is likely to omit a provision giving the administration additional authority to withhold photos of detainees who have been abused, which is opposed by many liberal Democrats,” Naftali Bendavid writes in The Wall Street Journal.    And this won’t solve Gitmo: “On Wednesday night, they gave in to White House concerns and softened that language to allow detainees to come to the U.S. for up to four months for trial — but not to be imprisoned in the U.S. for the long term.”   Better to win ugly than lose: “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is fiercely lobbying fellow anti-war Democrats, crossing off the names of converts from a whip list as she seeks to build support for a troubled supplemental war-spending bill,” CQ’s Jonathan Allen reports. “Pelosi’s hands-on effort to flip the votes of her liberal base is indicative of the difficulty Democratic leaders have had in bringing their caucus together in support of Obama’s escalation of the war in Afghanistan.”    Not ideal for either side: Congressional leaders are “expected to accept language that will allow Guantanamo prisoners to be brought into the United States for the purposes of prosecution 45 days after the administration has submitted certifications to Congress,” Politico’s David Rogers writes. “But the administration will have to live with the Senate’s insistence that none of the detainees be transferred more permanently to maximum-security facilities in the United States.”    Also fueling Republican arguments: “Despite repeated questioning, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs refused to answer whether the Obama administration will free Ahmed Ghailani if he’s found not guilty in court,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reports.    “I’m not going to get into hypotheticals about how certain cases may or may not play out,” Gibbs said.  More agenda woes: “More and more Democrats are ready to vote against Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s climate change bill, according to a congressional committee chairman who opposes his leader,” The Hill’s Jared Allen reports. “The House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) said Wednesday that he’s at an impasse with the lead sponsor of a climate change bill strongly backed by Pelosi (D-Calif.), and that his list of Democratic members who would join him in voting against the measure is growing rather than shrinking.”    The GOP energy plan: “The centerpiece of our American Energy Act is a commitment to increase the production of our abundant domestic natural resources, and not to punish traditional energy producers and consumers,” Reps. Mike Pence, John Shimkus, and Fred Upton write in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “The cleanest way for utilities to control CO2 emissions is to increase the supply of carbon-free nuclear energy. This is obvious and simple, but in the thousand-page Waxman-Markey bill nuclear power is hardly mentioned.”    It’s enough to make a Republican optimistic: “I really believe we’ve got a shot at taking back this House because you see what’s gone on here with the unfettered ability of this administration and Nancy Pelosi to run this Congress,” House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., told ABC News. “The American people see that this agenda is way far out of the mainstream. They want a check and a balance on this power. And I think at the end of the day that’s what rules come November 2010.”    Tracking the political fallout of tragic events: “Gun-control advocates seized on the Holocaust Museum shooting Wednesday to call on Congress to reverse its drift toward loosening firearms restriction,” S.A. Miller writes in the Washington Times. “They said it highlights the need for lawmakers to reconsider efforts to ease the District’s tough gun laws and allowing firearms into national parks.”    How not to get your call returned by the president: “President Obama’s fiery ex-minister Jeremiah Wright is now blaming ‘them Jews’ for keeping Obama from giving him a call these days,” the New York Daily News’ Ken Bazinet reports.    “Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office,” Wright told the Daily Press in Newport News, Va.   “They will not let him talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is …. I said from the beginning: He’s a politician; I’m a pastor. He’s got to do what politicians do,” Wright continued.   Greeting Vice President Joe Biden in Kansas: “Vice President Joe Biden will be in Kansas on Thursday to praise the use of federal economic stimulus funds on the U.S. Highway 69 project,” McClatchy’s David Goldstein writes. “But Biden, the stimulus’ chief cheerleader, also recently acknowledged that the some of the nearly $800 billion being spent around the country on jobs and growth ‘is going to be wasted.’ And that prompted Sen. Pat Roberts, his former Republican colleague from Kansas, to add his two cents to the multibillion-dollar pot: ‘I’ve got a good example.’ “    Greeting Ken Lewis on Capitol Hill: “Just saw an internal memo for a congressional hearing tomorrow with Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis. Looks like he’s in for tough questions on the Merrill deal,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos reports. “Lewis, whose bank has accepted $45 billion in U.S. financial rescue funds, will appear before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Thursday. . . . The hearing may shed light on an investigation into whether government officials pressured Bank of America to withhold details about the deal from investors.”   On Judge Sonia Sotomayor — another take from Jeffrey Rosen: “An examination of Sotomayor’s career supports the idea that on the bench, she has been a racial moderate, not a radical,” Rosen writes for Time. “At the same time, her opinions and speeches suggest that her views about race, multiculturalism and identity politics are more nuanced, complex and provocative than either her critics or her supporters have allowed. And for that reason, if confirmed, she could influence the racially charged issues the Supreme Court will confront over the next few decades in unexpected ways.”    The New York Times’ Charlie Savage checks the videotapes: “Judge Sonia Sotomayor once described herself as ‘a product of affirmative action’ who was admitted to two Ivy League schools despite scoring lower on standardized tests than many classmates, which she attributed to ‘cultural biases’ that are ‘built into testing.’ On another occasion, she aligned with conservatives who take a limited view of when international law can be enforced in American courts. But she criticized conservative objections to recent Supreme Court rulings that mention foreign law as being based on a ‘misunderstanding.’ “    Next from the GOP: “Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, still smarting at what they say is a rushed schedule for Sonia Sotomayor’s Supreme Court nomination hearing, sent Sotomayor a letter Wednesday asking her to clarify what they say are omissions from her questionnaire,” ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf and Sunlen Miller report. “Sen. Jeff Sessions, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the White House in a speech on the Senate floor Wednesday for racing to get the nominees questionnaire to the committee and failing to complete it.”    The up-side of GOP chaos? Margaret Carlson, in her Bloomberg column: “The good news for Republicans is that when Gallup asked last month who speaks for the GOP, more than half the respondents couldn’t name anyone. Those who could most often cited Rush Limbaugh. If Republicans can’t take back the party from a talk show host, they don’t deserve to run the country.”    Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., isn’t a fan of having Limbaugh or Dick Cheney representing the GOP, he tells ABC’s Jake Tapper. 
The Kicker:  “It’s obviously a transformation process because we’re built for a basketball game and not a presidential visit.” — Green Bay Southwest High School Principal Bryan Davis.    “Laughter incited by sexually-perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity aimed at a 14-year-old girl is not only disgusting, but it reminds us some Hollywood/NY entertainers have a long way to go in understanding what the rest of America understands.” — Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, posting a statement on Facebook responding to David Letterman.     Today on “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s daily political Webcast: Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa; and Politico’s Jonathan Martin. Noon ET.   Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote   For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note’s blog . . . all day every day: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/

User Comments

Non-profit health insurance. That’s the way to go. Private insurance companies for profit are preventing 47 millions Americans from affording health insurance. And, if they have enough to pay the premiums, deductibles and coinsurance, the plans usually provide inadequate coverage. I believe they need an incentive to cover more Americans. If not, they need to be shoved out. COBRA is a joke at $600/mo. And Karl – shut up already. We know how you and the GOP think. Keep the status quo – everything is working fine – right? Doesn’t matter that lots of people either go to the ER or don’t go at all. Some can’t afford prescriptions. Some can’t afford to pay for a doctor’s visit. Hospitals and doctor’s offices turn away people and won’t take Medicaid or Medicare. Such is the status quo.

Posted by: Bob | June 11, 2009, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Bob well said, the Wall Street Journal is nothing but a rag now with Rove being paid by them and his many appearances on Fox.

Posted by: Hege321 | June 11, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am

Non Profit, is a great idea because if a company makes money denying you care they will do everything possible to make that happen! Republicans love the banks and insurance companies who donate millions to them! That’s who they represent they’ll scam the ignorant middle and working class for the votes and some a dumb enough to fall for it. Under Bush they didn’t do anything about healthcare now they have solutions, give me a break!

Posted by: Hege321 | June 11, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Go Mr. President, and may the FORCE (for common sense and compassion) be with you! We have a lot of sick men, women and children in America. They are old people and young ones. They are black, white, yellow and red. They are taxpayers, veterans and hard workers. They are Democrats and Republicans. They are citizens of the United States of America and they need your help.

Posted by: V. Brame | June 11, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am

Why rush to spend two trillion plus dollars which they don’t own on a questionable and imperfect new health care system ? We need a health care system which is as inexpensive as in Japan, <100 dollars for CAT scan or a night of hospital stay.

Posted by: austin | June 11, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

“V. Brame”; You offer a sensitive and well stated position on Healthcare. “Brace Yourself”, the Robotic-hard-right-edge – will be coming after you soon!

Posted by: bobj72 | June 11, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am

Mr. President, enough of the campaigning and grass route town hall meetings, Just stay in your office in Washington and do something about your position the people of the United States elected you to do. I am tired of the traveling salesmen’s road show and or lobbyist show. How did this country serve for over 200+ years before you where elected? I guess all other Presidents before you and there constitutes had it all wrong. Work on areas within the current platform we now have, of stopping this losing job market from sliding even more and keeping our interest rates low enough for the free system to work and when it starts working and producing, then we can lay the infrastructure for the future growth of other ideas. What about these other countries that are not so friendly towards the United States and our allies that we have to military protect and we are lowering and or cutting the militaries budgets when these other countries seem to have increase theirs!

Posted by: Gregg Lawler | June 11, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am

To Bob,
LoL! I know they will come after me but what they have to say is so weak and nonsensical I view it as comic relief most of the time. Thanks for your kind words. I enjoy reading your intelligent comments as well.

Posted by: V. Brame | June 11, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Go PUBLIC HEALTH CARE. Im all for socialized health care. If the big money insurance boys were playing fair, the government would mind its business. Besides whats wrong with the idea that in the richest country in the world, anyone who gets sick can get good care for cheap (or free). And Greg, its 2009 future presidents have the ability to do what former president didnt. Part of the reason Obama has so much support from the people whether he changes a campaign promise or policy, or introduces a new one is because he takes the argument directly to the people, and gets their point of view face to face. He doesnt sit on a throne from capital hill or listen to some of those congressman and senators and act like he knows how everyone feels like most of the past presidents, so if he has to travel, then so be it

Posted by: Javon | June 11, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Thank you Mr. President for addressing an issue that has crippled our economy, we spend nearly 400 billion on defense but can’t spend a dime on reforming health care!! How ironic that other industrialized nations have health care for their citizens but America can’t come up with a solution to our rising health care cost!?! I’m sick of conservative talking heads complaining about a government run program when the same elected officials have free government health care…

Posted by: Martin | June 11, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

I want Health Care legislation on my desk the day after the American voters wise up and have it UNDERSTOOD, I would be more comfortable with another Barack’s Road Shows….usually with little FACTUAL input, but with a lot of DOWN ON THE FARM chat. Don’t build up your resume on our backs, please.

Posted by: justj joey | June 11, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am

It appears there are many here who are willing to pay for my medical care. I appreciate it. . . really. But unless Obama can heal me by the laying on of hands (for free), I’m okay about paying for my own coverage.

Posted by: flopez | June 11, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

This health plan fiasco, The American public is tired of being told what to do with their own health care. Sure there will always be those that choose not to have any coverage, the politicians cannot force anyone to buy health care. That will not be legislated into law. But the American public that have their own health care will always buy what they can afford. I do not want to pay for someone else health care. That is what this ill conceived plan of the Democrats and Mr. Obama does. I PRAY THIS PLAN FAILS. If it does not hopefully by 2010 when the Republicans take over they will repeal anything that does not work for the American Public.

Posted by: Lara | June 11, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

This health plan fiasco, The American public is tired of being told what to do with their own health care. Sure there will always be those that choose not to have any coverage, the politicians cannot force anyone to buy health care. That will not be legislated into law. But the American public that have their own health care will always buy what they can afford. I do not want to pay for someone else health care. That is what this ill conceived plan of the Democrats and Mr. Obama does. I PRAY THIS PLAN FAILS. If it does not hopefully by 2010 when the Republicans take over they will repeal anything that does not work for the American Public.

Posted by: Lara | June 11, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

You know

Posted by: Molly | June 11, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

If doctors were overcharging and lawyers weren’t suing for millions, health insurance would be affordable.
What we need is a cap on medical lawsuits and standardized costs for diagnostic testing based on the average in pre-determined geographical areas.
Simple solution. End of story.

Posted by: MasonDickson | June 11, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

One of the greatest Health issues is that pollution is killing us. I have tried to get Mr. Obama and others to look at my inventions, that would clean up the environment. Air Pollution and ground water pollution cause many of our problems. Pure Power Inc. has a new Plasmafication process that would make a difference.

Posted by: James Tracy | June 11, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

I do not want to see Government Health Care. What I would like to see is fixing the current Health care, by not putting the burden of Unpaid bills on the people who are paying for their health benefits. Create another fund to pay those debts so everyone can see exactly how much is being spent for people who do not have coverage. There should be different levels of lesser care/coverage for those deadbeats that for no other reason but their own, become lifetime members of the Government Assistance. Covering people who work for a living but are not covered, have health conditions that don’t allow them to work or get coverage, and those in-between jobs/coverage should be taken care of. Fraud and un-needed test/treatment/care is another huge problem. When they find out you have good insurance, they pile the test on, and do the same to people on Medicare/Medicaid. I would like to see them make national rules regarding children’s coverage after age 18 and going to college. Your kid’s should be covered as long as their in college, they live with you and you pay for more then half of their care. Cutting the kids off when they turn 22 just don’t cut it anymore.

Posted by: Willy | June 11, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

show you and me the plan before you dog and pony mr president.sure, i want cheaper healthcare. my family has been averaging 12 to 17 thousand a year on healthcare and we pay the first 650 a month and 2000 of each employees 3000 deductable. what i have seen of this plan is that i will be taxed for providing a benefit. even a liberal can figure out that i would be stupid to continue to provide coverage if i am taxed on it. second if i am forced to do it i will either cut salaries to do so or will cut employees. sounds like a great idea?contrary to the media reports of the recession easing….small business…less than 250 employees…are getting hammered and hanging on by a thread.

Posted by: catman | June 11, 2009, 11:57 am 11:57 am

God help us all if this passes. What a mess this will be to clean up later. More and more countries who have socialized health care are trying to go back to the public insurance way. The people who think this is such a great idea will soon change their mind when they are waiting months for a treatment for themselves or family members. I just hope the politicians will be waiting on those same lists that the rest of us will have to go on. Figure the odds on that though!!! 2010 is not that far away and neither is 2012.

Posted by: PALGP | June 11, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Put congress under the same plan they propose, take away their current plan, and I’m all for it.
Until then,I’ll pay my own.

Posted by: Edward | June 11, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

i want cheaper healthcare because i pay 15,000 to 17000 a year for my family. i also pay 650 a month plus 2000 of each employees deductable.mr obamas plan will tax me for doing a good thing.even a liberal can figure out that a business is either going to cut wages or cut employees to fund the now taxable healthcare benefits. so please mr obama let us see the plan and digest it before you push it on us like you did with the stimulus bill which is not living up to its hype.

Posted by: catman | June 11, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

i want cheaper healthcare because i pay 15,000 to 17000 a year for my family. i also pay 650 a month plus 2000 of each employees deductable.mr obamas plan will tax me for doing a good thing.even a liberal can figure out that a business is either going to cut wages or cut employees to fund the now taxable healthcare benefits. so please mr obama let us see the plan and digest it before you push it on us like you did with the stimulus bill which is not living up to its hype.

Posted by: catman | June 11, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Pay off your homes that’s the best advice I can give, then don’t “move up” or “cash in”. Bush had 6 years with a Republican Congress, Frank and Dodd weren’t in charge of any committees, where were the Republicans? Busy taking donations from Enron, Haliburton, Blackwater, Citibank, AIG so they could continue turning America into a Third World Country. Passing legislation written behind closed doors by Cheney and energy lobbyists and busy with rewriting bankruptcy laws with bank lobbyists! Bush and his Republican Congress did nothing to ease oil prices, solve the healthcare crisis, stem foreclosures or even acknowledge there was a recession. His greatest joy was borrowing and spending looking for weapons of mass destruction that didn’t exist in Iraq but totally ignored ones that did exist in North Korea. Republicans are a bad joke played on the masses.

Posted by: Hege321 | June 11, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Socialized medicine? Look at the VA
hospital are they well run? NO.
The government has never run any agencied profitably. That’s why we have such a huge deficit.
Politicians have the best health care
system and best benefits. Why??

Posted by: John | June 11, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Health care costs need to be brought under control. Greed is the root cause. But Medicare has waste and fraud of at least 50 Billion a year. The government knows this and lets it continue. What makes anyone think that they can manage socialized medicine. If we go the Candadien or European version of medicine we are all doomed. Just talk to someone who lives there and has something really wrong with them. They come here for “emergency” treatment. They often have to wait months for basic tests or surgery. Older people are routinely told they are out of luck and cannot get treated because it is not cost effective. Britain routinely tells cancer patients their treatment is not cost effective or the system is out of money. The average worker in Germany pays almost 60% of their income for the “free benefits” they get. I lived there for 3 years and they envied our system. I think we need to really watch what Congress puts together. Besides, with 300 million people to cover, socialized medicine will bankrupt this country if they go with a government option. (What am I saying, we are almost bankrupt now.)What company would keep a private plan when they know the taxpayers will pay for one. Fix what we have, but do not go for socialized medicine. Of course since CBS, ABC, and NBC are all run by far left liberals and just love the President, you will only here the positive side of this story.

Posted by: tell_truth | June 11, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Nationalize health care, the auto industry, banks…..socialism pure and simple. Trillions in extra debt – in a decade we’re no more than a third-world country. Take it to the bank, oh….the government owns them. Opps!

Posted by: Todd | June 11, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Nationalize health care, the auto industry, banks…..socialism pure and simple. Trillions in extra debt – in a decade we’re no more than a third-world country. Take it to the bank, oh….the government owns them. Opps!

Posted by: Todd | June 11, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

It is interesting the Canada and much of Europe have realized this government womb-tomb health coverage doesn’t work and they are reverting back to privately held plans. If obammy were even 1/8 as intelligent as he thinks he is he would take note.

Posted by: cc | June 11, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Amazing con job from our liberal socialist messiah! “You can keep your current plan and doctor”…yeah right, until your plan is forced out of business trying to compete with a welfare plan. Then, due to high taxes to pay for Obama-care, you will be forced to join the socialist plan. America, how many times are you going to be conned before you wake up?

Posted by: ImBehavingDude | June 11, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Amazing con job from our liberal socialist messiah! “You can keep your current plan and doctor”…yeah right, until your plan is forced out of business trying to compete with a welfare plan. Then, due to high taxes to pay for Obama-care, you will be forced to join the socialist plan. America, how many times are you going to be conned before you wake up?

Posted by: ImBehavingDude | June 11, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Go under catman , if you can’t afford to pay then you can’t afford to profit.
Simple?
Someone else will take over your spot.
IF YOU WANT TO DANCE (MAKE PROFITS) YOU HAVE TO PAY THE FIDDLER (PLAY BY THE NEW RULES)
If not just sit quietly and do your best to survive as you can ,or go under .
Belive it or not , we will make it somehow ,with or without you as a business owner .
YOU ARE NO GM AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM!

Posted by: Loving it! | June 11, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

A government run health care system would put the government in charge of who gets what health care if any. It will raise the deficit and raise taxes in economic hard times which will further hurt the economy.
The proposals now on the table for a so called “public insurance option” call for keeping costs down by denying care based on one’s “worth” to society. That translates into denying care to the elderly and making decisions on who gets what health care on political grounds, ie. aids treatment may be on a higher politically correct scale than lymphoma.
With the government in charge of our health care, the government will have the power to decide if you get that operation you need or not and even if they ok it, you may have to wait months to get it. Assuming there are any doctors left to provide the care. After all with no “skin in the game” aka “profit” for taking care of you a lot of physicians may well just quit instead of working for peanuts. Just remember, you get what you pay for. Think about it.
Reality Check:
UNDER A GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAM EVERYONE WILL HAVE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE BUT ONLY THOSE WHO ARE DEEMED BY THE GOVERNMENT AS OF “WORTH TO SOCIETY” OR HAS A POLITICALLY CORRECT AILMENT WILL GET THE CARE!!!
So who are the “heartless and greedy ones”? I say the ones who would deny care to the elderly and are for taking food out of the mouths of other peoples children in order to pay for their health care.

Posted by: US Citizen | June 11, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Something that no one seems to be talking about that affects all of us since the Reagan era on the insurance issue. And thats the introduction of privatized insurance, just like our government wants to do with social security. A short story. My father-in-law bought into the privatized insurance scam when Reagan signed this into law. However, he died sometime later of spinal cancer, cracked his spine, much pain and suffering. His wife was diagnosed with water on the brain when born, didn’t affect her till her her fifties but caused a muscular dystrophy that took her in her fifties after 40 years of normal life. My point is my father-in-law was paying the out of pocket expense for all this cause guess what, he didn’t want to make a claim on the insurances he had stock in. Moral of the story. De-privatize insurance to what it was back before Reagan. Socialized insurance will put us in the same boat of who recieves and who will not. Only rather, the government will decide who will recieve care based on its own values and losses not yours.

Posted by: james niswender | June 11, 2009, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

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