Today’s Qs for O’s WH – 6/116/2009
TAPPER: The president went a little farther today than he did yesterday, saying he had concerns about the election, when directly talking about the election results or the legitimacy of the election. What are his concerns and what are they based on?
GIBBS: Well, I — I — we’ve enumerated some of those concerns over the past — the course of the past few days. I think irregularities in general. I think you’ve seen — I think I saw reports that one of the candidates overwhelmingly lost their home region. But I think, obviously, the international community is watching with some concern. Obviously, even those in Iran have noted concern with the outcome, and that’s why they’re also looking into this. But I think again — I think the international community has concern not just about what happened in the election, but what has happened in the aftermath.
TAPPER: Has the president reached out to Arab allies or other conduits, to Khamenei or any other of the power structure in Iran to talk about what happens next?
GIBBS: Not that I’m aware of. Again, I think I would, you know, stress for you the importance of what the president discussed also in his comments both yesterday and today about ensuring that, while we — while we abhor the violence associated with this vigorous Iranian debate, that we also respect their sovereignty.
– jpt

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Posted by: jennifert7 | June 16, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
That was a waste of a few questions. You honestly think Gibbs – or anyone in the administration – is going to breathe a word about the Iran situation that isn’t carefully rehearsed and deeply considered beforehand?
Whenever under internal pressure, Iran diverts its people’s anger toward the US or Israel. They’re dying for someone in the West to say something- anything- they can use to paint the protesters as “agents of the Crusaders/Great Satan/Little Satan/etc.” Why are you trying to help them?
I’m really baffled at what you expected to get on this.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Wow, you would think Gibbsy would be prepared for a question like this.
Posted by: Jason | June 16, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Does Gibbs ever answer a question? Abstractions, speech disfluencies such as uh and um, words and sentences that are cut off mid-utterance, phrases that are restarted or repeated, repeated syllables, unrecognizable utterances occurring as ‘fillers’, and ‘repaired’ utterances are not answers.
Posted by: BK | June 16, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I’m really baffled at what you expected to get on this.
Posted by: jhw539 |
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What do you expect to get from Iran?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 16, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Jhw, I understand and to an extent agree with your point, that the WH is not going to give the Iranian government any material to use against the protesters. But I think Jake was still right to ask as he did.
First of all, not every question by a WH journalists, even the estimable Mr. Tapper, is intended as a “gotcha.” Tapper gave the WH an opening to trot out the message they do want to broadcast, another opening for a smooth prepared statement, as the president had given earlier in the day, with the minute Kabuki dance of diplomacy of hints and carefully chosen words that government spokespeople have used for generations to engage while not engaging on the international level. As you say, it is not as if Mr. Gibbs should have been unprepared for the subject coming up.
So while you write, “You honestly think Gibbs – or anyone in the administration – is going to breathe a word about the Iran situation that isn’t carefully rehearsed and deeply considered beforehand?,” I have to laugh. You did read the transcript, right? If Gibbs’ answer was carefully rehearsed and deeply considered, then we are in deep deep trouble. The man is a mess. Yes, the question should have triggered a careful, nuanced response that reinforced the message the administration wants to project– it did not. What is baffling is not that Tapper asked the obvious question but that Gibbs was so inarticulate in response.
Posted by: moderate | June 16, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Foghorn Leghorn:”What do you expect to get from Iran?”
What does that have to do with anything I’ve written or this blog posting?
As for my post, I thought it was pretty clear that I do not want to give the regime in power in Iran any soundclips to twist for their tiresome blame the US game.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
What does that have to do with anything I’ve written or this blog posting?
Posted by: jhw539 |
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You keep saying we can’t speak truth to the situation in Iran and I wonder why not. What is it you want from Iran that you fear harsh rhetoric would jeopardize?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 16, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama only made comments about Iran AFTER McCain went after him..Obama needs someone with crayons to sit down with him and explain what is going on ——————————————
No he spoke about it before, which is why McCain got involved! He wanted stronger words!
Posted by: Try the truth | June 16, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
They’re dying for someone in the West to say something- anything- they can use to paint the protesters as “agents of the Crusaders/Great Satan/Little Satan/etc.” Why are you trying to help them?
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That’s true, but on the other hand, they don’t actually need us to say or do anything to blame us. They do that already.
The protesters are listening too. A little sympathy or support would go a long way. He could strongly condemn the violence and loss of life. He could strongly condemn the suppression of the international press. He could even say he sees the right to protest as a fundamental right, and praise the Iranians for allowing them to continue without escalation.
Remember in Lebanon, during the Cedar Revolution- the protesters yelled “Bush sends his regards”, echoing what our troops said when we caught Saddam.
Both sides listen to us, and to the world. As much as the mullahs blame us, others do see us as the beacon of hope.
Posted by: MayBee | June 16, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
moderate:”Tapper gave the WH an opening to trot out the message they do want to broadcast, another opening for a smooth prepared statement, as the president had given earlier in the day,”
And he didn’t push with followups, so I will accept that could be the case here.
I do prefer when he goes after issues that are ripe for internal debate to get the facts out and move towards consensus. America’s official reaction to the immediate Iran situation just isn’t one of those things. And it seems Republican officeholders know this too. Obama’s response will be debated later, perhaps compared to Clinton’s in 1999 or Bush’s in 2003 (unrest in Iran isn’t new), but for now Congress is respecting the importance of having one clear official position.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
America’s official reaction to the immediate Iran situation just isn’t one of those things. And it seems Republican officeholders know this too.
Posted by: jhw539 |
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Washington, DC – U.S. Congressman Mike Pence, Chairman of the House Republican Conference, in a speech on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives announced that he is introducing a resolution later today supporting the dissidents in Iran.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 16, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Just keep on paying your taxes and worrying about that mild flu, North Korea and Iran.
Meanwhile in Italy, two Japanese men were caught smuggling $134 BILLION in U.S. Treasury Bonds, headed to the Swiss Bank.
Let’s just hope THAT story never makes it to mainstream news (wink, wink).
Posted by: andyupnorth | June 16, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Foghorn Leghorn:”You keep saying we can’t speak truth to the situation in Iran and I wonder why not. What is it you want from Iran that you fear harsh rhetoric would jeopardize?”
What I do want from Iran? It is what i don’t want. I don’t want to give them an excuse to murder hundreds of the young people protesting as “agents of the West.” How hard is that to understand? Do you even know what happened in 2003?
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
You don’t have to pick sides or “invade their sovereignty” to proclaim that we stand on the side of free, open, and fair elections (something Iran does not do anyway) and that we stand behind the will of the people of Iran, whatever the outcome.
Don’t confuse supporting basic human desires with choosing sides in a political debate. It is obvious we have issues with this regime, but to come out and say we stand with the people of Iran, stand for their freedom to determine the government that represents them, we don’t choose sides in a political debate, we side with the people to determine their future, whatever that may be.
Posted by: KR | June 16, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
MayBee:” He could strongly condemn the violence and loss of life. He could strongly condemn the suppression of the international press. He could even say he sees the right to protest as a fundamental right,”
You mean something like:
“I am deeply troubled by the violence that I’ve been seeing on television. I think that the democratic process — free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent — all those are universal values and need to be respected. And whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they’re, rightfully, troubled.”
“And what I would say to those people who put so much hope and energy and optimism into the political process, I would say to them that the world is watching and inspired by their participation, regardless of what the ultimate outcome of the election was. And they should know that the world is watching.”
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
B.O. is doing the only thing he has the spine to do: voting “present.”
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | June 16, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
jhw- No, I would say “troubled” isn’t strong enough.
Posted by: MayBee | June 16, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
MayBee:”No, I would say “troubled” isn’t strong enough.”
That’s what you’re left with? “Deeply troubled” isn’t the right phrase, you’d rather “enraged” I suppose? Should we move our military into a threatening posture too? perhaps Obama should bang a podium with his shoe or something? Are you actually upset that Obama is NOT treating this as call for theatrics to play to the domestic political market (“lets get some tape for the next election of him railing against Iranian oppression!”)?
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Thank God for Karma:”B.O. is doing the only thing he has the spine to do: voting “present.”"
Just like with the Somalia pirate holding Captain Phillips hostage. Sad that to Republicans nowadays basic commonsense and good strategy is ridiculed as spineless.
Posted by: jhw539 | June 16, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
I heard the POTUS on CNBC a bit ago.. he made the same remark that I did yesterday.. (about leisure suit vs. piginapoke).. six of one, half dozen of the other.. hostile, hostile lite.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 16, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
That’s what you’re left with? “Deeply troubled” isn’t the right phrase,
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Yes. Diplomacy is all about the right phrase.
From a country with the history of saying things like, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” or
“We are all Berliners”,
“troubled” is a big weak.
No matter. It seems obvious Obama is not getting too far out because he knows Ahmadinejad, the mullahs, and the Revolutionary Guard are going to win this thing. China and Russia are already meeting with him. Obama has made it clear he will deal with Ahmadinejad, and it would be unpleasant if he’s been strongly condemned by our President.
Obama is a realist. He will deal with Iran on the world stage, and not overly concern himself with how the leaders run the country. That’s exactly what he’s telegraphing now.
Posted by: MayBee | June 16, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
And, I might add, I’m sure President Obama doesn’t see Mousavi as someone worth going out on a limb for. He’s no revolutionary.
However, it is the people who are risking their lives just by speaking out who need words of support. The right words could go a long way.
Posted by: MayBee | June 16, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
MayBeeee
POTUS also stated that if the revolt is linked to the U.S. in any way.. the punishment will worsen for those involved. It’s sort of like the ’56 Hungary or ’68 Czech uprisings .. don’t encourage these poor people unless you are going to act..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | June 16, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
don’t encourage these poor people unless you are going to act..
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Good point. That was a problem in the early 90′s in Iraq, as well.
Posted by: MayBee | June 16, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
jhw, I understand your desire to get more the WH on record on more contentious subjects in the daily briefing. But at the same time, since Gibby is such a mealy-mouth mess of a press secretary, you do not always get the best material in the briefing. So I will cut Jake slack for “wasting” his questions just this once. *G* As long as he does not waste them when it counts– at press conferences with The Chosen One himself.
Posted by: moderate | June 16, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
What I do want from Iran? It is what i don’t want. I don’t want to give them an excuse to murder hundreds of the young people protesting as “agents of the West.”
Posted by: jhw539 |
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Fair enough.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 16, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm