Hoyer: Dems Sent ‘Back to Drawing Board’ on Health Care; Surtax on Wealthy is Good Politics

Ask Obama if he and his african american family will be on the same plan he wants to place the working lower class citizens and that will end the health care debate untill he can be become a crtic again like he did while running for election

Hoyer, as is anyone who agrees with him, is a stupid, smooth-brained, fool. I’m not well-off. I’m squarely in the middle-income group. And I am certain the “wealthy” ARE paying their fare share. In fact, they are paying way MORE than their fair share. I’m sick of you liberals telling us that you somehow have a right to greater percentages of the income of people who work harder and are more successful. You DON’T have a right to it. PERIOD. Do you hear me? How DARE you penalize the successful. I wish you’d all leave America and go to Europe.

Final reform will look nothing like the bills swirling around Congress right now. There will be tax hikes, but they will be much smaller than those currently proposed. And nothing will top a trillion bucks…

You tell’um. dat’s right, dat’s right

Whitegirl,
How about Bush’s Medicare Part D? It cost lower than the projections.

whitegirl said “You mean like Obama’s justice pick Sotomoyer and her comment. ” I can make a better decision than a white man” ”
Is that what she said? You wouldn’t lie to us now? Maybe twist what she said to make it look worse than it was?
The answer to all three questions is YES.
While she was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases before a crowd of latinos she said “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
Put the quote into context and then quote it accurately and it becomes much clearing to most what she really was trying to say. It is similar to what Former Bush Justice Department lawyer John Yoo has similarly stressed that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “is a black man with a much greater range of personal experience than most of the upper-class liberals who take potshots at him” and argued that Thomas’ work on the court has been influenced by his understanding of the less fortunate acquired through personal experience.

Obama was lying about the stimulis funds almost 6 months ago but Obama is not lying now.

whitegirl said “You mean like Obama’s justice pick Sotomoyer and her comment. ” I can make a better decision than a white man” ”
Is that what she said? You wouldn’t lie to us now? Maybe twist what she said to make it look worse than it was?
The answer to all three questions is YES.
While she was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases before a crowd of latinos she said “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
Okay, so lets change JUST afew things… Ready?
“I would hope that a wise WHITE MAN with the richness of HIS experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a LATINA WOMAN who hasn’t lived that life.”
Okay Sam defend that!

O’s poll numbers are falling, just like his policies. Even his own party is now turning against him. I am so glad he will only have one term in office and can go back to Chicago where he belongs!

Obama stated that most of the money “will go out the door immediately.” But now he has changed his tune, saying, “We also knew that it would take some time for the money to get out the door.”
Was Obama lying then or now
Posted by: SamTyler1973 | Jul 17, 2009 3:43:38 PM
Sam cannot defend that.

“And I am certain the “wealthy” ARE paying their fare share. In fact, they are paying way MORE than their fair share. ”
Actually, the rich pare paying less now than they did under Reagan or at any time in 70 years… Why are you defending millionaires… what have they ever done for you, except wreck the economy.

One of the most sweeping single things the government can do is to eliminate the insurance companies’ ability to write medical policies based on past or present illness. Even the insurance companies have agreed to back off on this one. It means no more excluding of people from the general market price and no more rescission.
We could pass this into law tomorrow without costing taxpayers a cent. But the proponents of all of these bills are sing this as a way to draw in support for their bigger and more expensive proposals.
Most complaints I have heard in blogs online would have been solved by passing these laws.
Why do we let the government use this as a carrot to dangle in front of us? We can have some reform now. The rest can come when and if our President and Congress ever get their act together and come up with real solutions to the problem.

all the Demmings will follow Obama over the healthcare cliff…

Glad to see you waking up, America. :)
Called my 2 Senators and 1 House Rep today. By what I got talking to the people answering the phone that this wasn’t going to have chance. All 3 told me that they stopped keeping up with individual calls and changed to keeping polls. All 3 where 80% against and 20% for. :)

10% unemployment and a deficit that’s out of sight..thanks to both Repubs and Dims..

Isn’t it comforting to see a comedian that’s been a Sen for about 20 min on the committee that confirms justices to the SC ??

Tiger missed the cut at the British Open !!!!

Want to fix health insurance coverage? How about starting with the word in the middle of it all: “insurance” as in insurance companies, whose greed is equal to evil incarnate in our time. Why can’t the American public see it for what it really is: the biggest scam operation of all time. Please, save your breath about fixing the “system”. Let reign in the greed and it will work itself out. We don’t need Communism in our approach to health insurance. We just need to stop the corruption.

Once you write a comment how long does it take take to post??

I fully support the President’s effort for health reform and also a public option. If done correctly where people but in for premiums and it is not taxpayer subsidized , a public option will act like regulation on the market without a gov’t bureaucracy having to constant look at the private plans. My wife works for a small business without an employee plan and we can not afford the coverage she deserves until I finish my doctorate. We can not even afford to have maternity coverage yet to start a family like we would like and be in a comfortable financial situation. Her exisiting health care rates have increased by 60% the last three years…which is ridiculous and practically highway robbery. But after shopping for insurance every plan is the same rate.

If we hadn’t spent trillions in the last 6 months we might have had something there to help pay for all of this.
I’m for reform as much as the next person. But we have spent ourselves into oblivion – and now want to come up with yet another trillion dollar plan?
And no, the wealthy pay quite a bit of taxes already – contrary to popular belief. And there are lots of non-wealthy caught in this designation too.
Lets start with some laws for reform and build over the next 5 years from there. Its impossible to overhaul a system so large and complex without major consideration and debate. If not, we stand to hurt major segments of the population because they were not well considered in the process. And two or three months is not enough time!
Or do you want to be one of those Americans the plan will “forget” to include because we rushed too quickly to put it together?

I propose that we all have the same ins as our esteemed Congressional “leaders,” paid for by the gov’t..

Where are all the primary care physicians going to come from for the newly insured 47 million ???
Posted by: skaterdon
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Obama is going to set up DEGREE MILLS. The next doctor you will visit will be less qualified to treat you than a veterinarian.

Obama & the Demmings want to rush this thru before anyone has a chance to review it..typical sinister act by pols..

I’m going to get a frozen margarita. It’s 103 here in TX..who do I send the bill to?? I like my drinks as well as health ins..the gov’t can pay for them too..

You are correct stocked..they treat us like dogs, so may as well treat us by vets..

Everyone should pay the same percentage in taxes….which means the welfare hos and druggies at the bottom should not be getting money from the tax system from the rest of us. Flat tax.

My mortgage is due in 2 wks..should I send the bill to Barney Frank? Or Chris Dodd?

Why doesn’t all the republicans and democrats who don’t want universal health care give up their federal health plan which we all pay for and go get their own insurance. Funny how they’re dissing us having exactly what they have. Maybe they and their parents could give up their Medicare benefits, too. And let’s face it, these repubs don’t give a damn about the people they just want to stick one to Obama. And if the public is buying it then maybe we don’t deserve this administration and we can go back to republican rule like what we had with Bush. Then let’s see what this country will look like in a year.

More people are covered billions/trillions wasted……….covering who exactly? The illegals…druggies who don’t want to support themselves.

What a bunch of nonsense…it will certainly cost more for the government to take money for you to buy health insurance for everyone. The government has always overpaid and lost lost mega bucks to fraud waste and abuse.

I am sick and tired of this ‘socialist’ military we have always had run by socialist pigs in America. Why should my tax dollars support these idiot socialists in the military. They also have governmnet run health care in the military. How dare they accept THAT kind of inferior health care! We need to privatize the military and get those deadbeats OFF the government payroll!!!
How’s THAT neocons?? Don’t tell me you don’t agree with me!

I think we should all decide on a day for all of us to descend on the er’s of this country..flood them with legal citizens and see what happens..

“Where are all the primary care physicians going to come from for the newly insured 47 million ???” – There will be lots of jobs created when healthcare positions open up. Not just MDs, but RNs, LPNs, CNAs, Techs, etc. Its win win for the currently uninsured and for the unemployed and under employed. I support the Pres 100% on this one.

Hey endrepubs and all you liberal geniuses. National defense is the ONLY thing the federal government is supposed to be involved in. Can’t you people read the constitution and the Bill of Rights? They are using the 10th Amendment as a doormat. I am so sick of stupidity and ignorance of our history.
Posted by Steve
Hey Steve,
You obviously don’t get my point that the government CAN run things effectively if it wants to. And if Government run health care is so inferior, then why is it OK to cover our troops with it?

“And let’s face it, these repubs don’t give a damn about the people they just want to stick one to Obama. And if the public is buying it then maybe we don’t deserve this administration and we can go back to republican rule like what we had with Bush.”
By what I understand talking to my Congressman’s office (A DEMOCRAT) that this thing got sent back because of the AMERICAN PEOPLE tying up the phone lines at the Capitol today with NO, NO, NO, NO!

“The positions may open up but it takes years to be certified to practice..From what I’m told the 47 million are here NOW…” – Good point, but it only takes 2 years to train RNs to become Nurse Practicioners and and anyone with a Bachelors can become a PA in two years. They can help fill in the gaps in primary care. We already have enough specialists.

Members of Congress and some federal employees participate in the Federal Employees Health Care Program, which allows them to choose whatever private plan they want for themselves and their families. In the health care legislation coming out of committee, Congress will be exempt from the government-run plan for at least 5 years. So, while they force a government plan on us, they get to keep their private plans. Congressman John Fleming, a physician from Louisiana, has a bill in the House (HR 615) that says every legislator who votes FOR the government-run health care plan must agree to sign him/herself up for THAT plan. He has 43 co-sponsors for the bill, but NOT ONE SINGLE legislator who plans to vote FOR the government plan. If it’s good enough for us, it needs to be good enough for them. Congratulations to Congressman (Dr.) Fleming for exposing the hypocrites.

A reporter asked Obama if he would choose this public option health care and he said NO. Congress members are choking on it too, when asked.

You brainwashed liberals wont ever get it.Obama’s agenda is all about power and control over YOU and America. They’re only looking out for themselves.They want to turn America into a communist country.Obama and the rest of his thugs are liars,telling Americans what they want to hear just to get support for legislation full of hidden laws to further their socialistic big govt. agenda

Wow, the bill hasn’t even cleared the House and its new projected costs (over the next ten years) have already doubled—up to $2 trillion dollars.
And the beauty of this boondoggle is it does absolutely nothing to solve our runaway healthcare costs. For example:
• It does nothing to investigate why the medical and pharmaceutical industries have enjoyed double-digit inflation for over a decade while millions of us have enjoyed reduced wages or gotten little or no annual increases.
• It does nothing to address the ridiculous number of government regulations that are largely responsible for driving up healthcare costs.
• It does nothing to investigate how it is insurance companies have increased premiums in lock-step at an exponential rate year after year (but there’s no collusion there).
• It does nothing to reduce costs for millions of Americans who will undoubtedly be unable to qualify for the government funded public option.
• It does nothing to ensure those who already can’t afford healthcare insurance are going to pay for a required “public option.”
• It does nothing to reduce frivolous malpractice law suits that significantly drive up the cost of healthcare.
• It does nothing to reduce government bureaucracy. In fact, it significantly increases it—and we all know how efficient government run programs are and how much money that will save us.
• It does nothing to demonstrate how it will “not add to our national debt” (according to Pres. Obama) We don’t know how we’re going to pay for the multi-trillion dollar debt all the bailouts have already created so, obviously, adding this additional multi-trillion dollar debt shouldn’t be a problem either. Right?
• It does nothing to eliminate the incestuous relationship the medical and pharmaceutical industries have with government leaders. But we all know there are no favors given for financial support, right?
• And we all know the kind of excellent, well thought out and highly effective and efficient programs that Congress can pass when they don’t read the bills and rush to ram them through.
Wake up America this may be the final nail in the coffin that buries us. If government no longer represents us it is our duty to cast it off.

Middle class small businesses will be killed by the tax increases in this plan. Instead of wasting a trillion dollars on pork barrel nonpriority projects in the reckless spending stimulus bill, Obama should have used that money to cover the uninsured. Now, because the money has been wasted and Obama dares not cancel the pork barrel projects he has committed to, the only alternative to fund this bloated government monstrosity is to raise taxes. Obama’s actions have simply been disagraceful.
Vote Obama out in 2012!!!
Vote the Democratic Congress out in 2010!!!

Once you make more than a million bucks a year, I don’t care if you are taxed more than the rest of us. Too bad. Life in unfair. The working class deserves a system where, if we get really sick, we are not guaranteed financial ruin when we can’t continue to pay COBRA. A healthier, more productive work force will lead to your stock market investments doing better. If altruism doesn’t motivate you, perhaps money will?

20% of those who don’t have healthcare are not US citizens. WE are taxing “the wealthy” to pay for illegals. great strategy – if you want to inspire more illegals. illegals need schools, often welfare, public services – THAT will come out of YOUR wallet. this doesn’t end with just “taxing the wealthy.” YOU will be paying for this eventually.

The MAJORITY of AMERICANS voted for Barack Obama. Many including myself realize the NEED for change in our healthcare and that among many reasons was the reason for our votes. The party of “NO” is doing everything they can to politically sabotage change in order to keep the status quo and protect the profits of mega corporate insurance companies. If change does not happen the GOP will be blamed by the MAJORITY of AMERICANS and they will surly pay in the voting booth. Mark my words.

“Under the Bush Tax Cuts, we gave back the rich a disproportionate amount of the surplus. It is now time for the working class to get back what is rightfully ours.”
Excuse me but what do you mean getting back “what is rightfully yours?” You don’t want to get back money that is “rightfully” yours, you want to get money that you didn’t put into the system in the first place. Under the Bush tax cuts, the so-called “wealthy” received a tax break because they put the most amount into the system. The top 5% of INCOME PRODUCERS paid 90% of the taxes to the federal government, and you want to squeeze more out of them? I am sick and tired of people wanting to take my my money that I am working my a*& off to receive, because it’s “only fair.” These so-called “wealthy” people are the very same ones that employ YOU (if you are employed). Imagine what will happen when they get taxed out of the wazoo – you and thousands of others will not have a job.

I am tired of hearing people whine that they have no insurance, because their employer doesn’t provide it. My employer does not provide me insurance, I purchased it seperately. If you want insurance you can get insurance.
People want a free lunch, and they think everyone else should pay for it.
The health care system needs fixing but Government run health care will be a disaster.

Billy Smith – go read “Atlas Shrugged.” Then come back and tell me whether you still believe that having the rich leave would be “good riddance.” For how will you find a way to finance your life once they are gone?

rightbehind wrote: “I’m beginning to think the democrats are cowards. This is a no brain er. More than 70% support public health care and they can’t find the courage to vote on it.” +++++ Good points. Dem or GOP, they represent the specials interests and that’s who they’ve got to please. Sen. Imhofe is on the editorial page saying the Pentagon is wrong, they need more F-22s than they say. He doesn’t mention that Boeing and Lockheed have donated over $40,000 to his campaign this year alone! My God, that should suffice to require him to recuse (withhold) his vote on this issue! Congressman Bachus (AL) gets $300,000+, a quarter of his campaign funds, every two years from the Big Bankers. He’s been quoted as well, backing the banks to the hilt – including their bonuses. Kerry has accepted about $300,000 from Big Pharma and has never let them down on a vote. If there’s a slight nudge in the direction of controlling costs I’ll be amazed. Congress has allowed the healthcare industry continue to enjoy incomes out of whack with the rest of the world. The argument for Americans paying 50% more for the same prescriptions as the rest of the world is, “Do you want them to stop doing research?” Of course, they don’t mention that companies primarily selling in Europe and Japan are doing just fine in research.

Single payer system. Those of us in healthcare- MDs, clinical researchers, nurses – all of us support universal healthcare. Currently, only 46% of medical school applicants are accepted. There is a large percentage of HIGHLY intelligent people who would make great caring, compassionate physicians who are denied each year. Increase the number of medical schools along with the number of medical students at existing schools and there will be plenty of physicians.

The problem with sending them back to the drawing board is that they always start thing in the middle of the board — the fed in charge of health care. If they would change that to ways to let the free market work to fix the health care mess then they would get somewhere. But they won’t do that because they don’t believe in the free market. They believe in federalizing this thing. They ARE socialists.

Doctors are saps, why they would ever accept the chicken feed payments government offers them is beyound me. If gov cuts medicare rates even fewer will practice medicine creating even more demand for their service. Figure it out liberals

Isn’t it just shocking how clueless Democrats are when it comes to what things cost? THey, like, don’t even get where money comes from they think it’s an endless stream of fun. It’s quite childish really.

wait till the american public understands what the govt is trying to pass.. it is socalist/communist healthcare.. the govt will say we have covered everyone..however, the care will be crap.. that is what i have personal experience with.. long lines..crappy doctors.. and if you don;t beleive me go to an ex communist nation.. and oh yeah high taxes..
start wrting your reps in the house and senate that you want them to read the legislation first before they vote on it.. what a novel idea

Just a reminder to all of you mindless, meager Americans out there…..
The vast majority of “The Rich” were once like you and I. Middle class or lower. But with determination, sacrifice, and hard work they made something of themselves – either through rising up the ranks of the corporate world, or starting some sort of business or product idea. Hmmmm….that movie that starred Wil Smith – Pursuit of Happiness. More examples – Bill Gates (Microsoft), Michael Jackson, damn!!!! Even Wil Smith!
I was typical middle class a few years ago. With no help from the government, EEOC laws, etc. and with sheer determination and severe sacrifice, I bettered myself and quality of life. I pay for my own health insurance now, and even have 2 part-time employees.
So, why in the hell am I suppossed to pay for someone else???? I’m not against affordable health insurance for all – but taxing “the rich” is not the way. Limit lawsuit amounts on doctors, and propose legislation that would require private insurers to accept all people, regardless of age and medical condition.
Just remember these two things…..1) When was the last time you received a job from a poor person who ran a company, and 2)What has the Government ever done right?????

The easiest way to get a plan that has fair coverage for all is to make sure the politicians have to opt in to whatever the new plan is and can not retain their current cadillac govt plan, or purchase their own private insurance to make up any shortfall. If it is good enough for us, it is good enough for them. I bet they will make all kinds of adjustments then.

Frank, you say you built your business “with no help from the government”. Really? No fire protection, no police protection, no army to keep foreign aggressors away? And you paid for the education from kindergarten on of your two employees? And what about the court system that makes your contracts with customers and vendors worth more than the paper they are written on? And of course, you built the road system that gets your employees and products to and fro, I suppose. Etc, etc, etc. (Every time I hear that line of yours, I’m somehow reminded of a house-mate who sincerely thought he was self-sufficient in high school, mowing lawns–for $50/hr in 1970! Helps if your parents have wealthy friends.)