Jul 26, 2009 11:46am
Drinks are on the (White) House Soon?
On "Fox News Sunday" this morning, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs indicated the president's beer-invite to Harvard University Professor Henry Louis Gates and Cambridge police officer Sgt. Jim Crowley could happen soon.
"I don't know that it's been scheduled," Gibbs said. "It's our hope we'll get it done. Sgt. Crowley told the president he was game, and I read that Professor Gates is the same way. So hopefully we can get that done in the next several days."
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Posted by: Parallex View | July 26, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
IS THIS ABOUT REAL DIALOG OR JUST GOOD FOR OBAMA AND GATES – I SUSPECT THE LATTER. IF I WERE THE SGT. I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE – FAR AWAY. AS A WHITE GUY, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SIMILAR SITUATIONS INVOLVING RACE. A “BEER GET TOGETHER?” MY EXPERIENCE (TEACHER) HAS BEEN THAT THOSE TYPES OF MEETING ARE USUALLY A SET UP. SGT – STAY AWAY!!!!
Posted by: Manitu | July 26, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Unless Obama’s summoning Crowley to the White House to make him law-enforcement czar — AND unless both Obama and Gates PERSONALLY apologize FIRST (on all the networks where Obama delivered His “acting stupidly” decree) — Sergeant Crowley has nothing to gain — and much to lose — from participating in a public alco-opportunity with Gates and Obama.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
There is no mystery to solve. Crowley should have left the man’s house after Gates showed proof that he lived there. Crowley should be fired for abuse of power!
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Didn’t Obama already announced that the imminent showbooat Gates doesn’t drink beer?
Why the presidential push to further humiliate Sergeant Crowley by getting him to give a command performance of an Irish cop drinking beer in uniform?
“Racism”?
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
“Crowley should have left the man’s house after Gates showed proof that he lived there.”
Maybe NOT: a PREVIOUS “break-in” had been reported when Gates returned from his travels.
Has Gates’ wife decamped, or died, or what? No house-sitter of ANY kind?
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Crowley-the-cop should be fired for abuse of power! He epitomizes the pompous attitude of the police. Not nearly as bad as the other right-winger ‘Joe-the-plumber’.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
But one thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart — in general, be nice to people carrying guns — but it wasn’t disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn’t because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
The audio tape will exonerate the officer. Obama is trying to keep it from being released to the public to protect his friend, Gates.
I don’t think I’d risk getting Gates drunk at a White House function… I’m just sayin’…
Posted by: Skittles | July 26, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
I think the Sgt. should stay away from the White House dog and pony show. You know the professor is going to want him to apologize and what is he to do with the black president shoving him from behind. I don’t think the president should be encouraging alcohol as a mediation tool. That is disgusting. Just what the normal guys do huh pres go have a beer. It is not your cup of tea and neither is it the racist professors so who are you trying to impress. Not I says the working middle class.
Posted by: samdi | July 26, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Why does the distinguished Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. want to drink beer with that racist cop? Heh.
Posted by: mesquito | July 26, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
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Maybe NOT: a PREVIOUS “break-in” had been reported when Gates returned from his travels.
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So the next time I want to get the ‘story’, I can just call the police then wait outside to watch for it? The ‘neighbor’ that called the police was not a neighbor, but rather, a paparazzi.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
“I don’t think the president should be encouraging alcohol as a mediation tool. That is disgusting.”
–> Manipulating the Irish cop they’ve ALREADY humiliated world-wide to drink beer while in dress uniform at the White House would be quite a media coup for teevee show-boats Obama and Gates.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
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Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
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Exactly! No amount of right-wing or media spin is going to make it so, either. Obama is a lawyer and called it absolutely correct.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
It is a law that they can’t arrest you if you are in your own home unless they have a search warrant. The professor should have stayed in his home tell that warrant was given to him. That is why the police officer kept telling him to go outside. The police was sooo wrong in this.
Posted by: insight | July 26, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
BLUE DOG DEMS – IF YOU HAVE ANY HOPE OF SAVING YOUR PARTY AND THIS NATION – GET RID OF THESE BUMS. THESE LOSERS ARE LEFTISTS, NOT DEMOCRATS. JOHN KENNEDY WOULD BE APPALLED!!
Posted by: Manitu | July 26, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
“Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.”
Talking about laws you don’t understand is “acting stupidly.”
DC in Mass. requires “tumultuous conduct” and the Officer clearly states in his report that Gates engaged in such conduct. Such a determination is a reasonable interpretation even if you don’t happen to agree with it. A reasonable interpretation is all the Officer needs to support a decision to arrest based on probable cause.
The later dismissal is not relevant to the initial decision to arrest. A person other than the arresting officer could look at the facts presented and, applying their own reasonable interpretation of those facts, easily come to a different conclusion than the Officer…e.g., that the conduct was not ‘tumultuous’.
Posted by: Skittles | July 26, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
“DC in Mass. requires “tumultuous conduct” and the Officer clearly states in his report that Gates engaged in such conduct”
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Nonsense! “Tumultuous conduct” is a phrase the officer used because there was nothing objective he could report.
There were no physical threats, no pushes, no fists clenched and threatening . . . there was nothing but some yelling.
Gates was breaking no law whatsoever.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
“The police was sooo wrong in this.”
Gates is sooo lucky he wasn’t taken away in a strait jacket, to spend the next 72 hours being “observed”, probably in restraints, in the state nut-house — that’s what would have happened to MOST people, of any race or color, in MOST places, in the same situation.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
THE POLICE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER MAN (OR MEN) HIDING IN THE HOUSE. AT THAT POINT GETTING “EVERYONE” OUT OF THE HOUSE WAS THE “RIGHT”THING TO DO. OBAMA, WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO RELEASE THAT TAPE??????? THE SGT.WENT BY THE BOOK AND HIS ACTIONS WERE ‘SPOT ON!!”
Posted by: Manitu | July 26, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
“‘Tumultuous conduct’ is a phrase the officer used because there was nothing objective he could report.”
–> Wait for the tape — if they don’t release it tomorrow, it’ll have leaked by mid-week.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
I think the beer is a nice touch, but Gate’s daughter has been spewing more vile which may destroy the coming together of the two sides.
Posted by: Huh | July 26, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
“Gates is sooo lucky he wasn’t taken away in a strait jacket, to spend the next 72 hours being “observed”, probably in restraints”
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Maybe for someone with a fascist mindset, this would seem appropriate.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.
You might want to move to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST EVERY DAY OBAMA DOES SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDED – MOSTLY STUPID STUFF MOST OF HIS SCREW-UPS ARE “LACK OF JUDGMENT.” SOUND FAMILIAR? TAKE THIS CAMBRIDGE INCIDENT. OBAMA IS IN A SWEAT TO GET A HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED AND BECAUSE HE GOT HIMSELF INVOLVED IN THIS CONTROVERSY, THE BILL IS EVEN FURTHER ON THE BACK BURNER. THIS IS OUR LEADER??
Posted by: Manitu | July 26, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“T SEEMS LIKE ALMOST EVERY DAY OBAMA DOES SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDED”
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No – actually you mean every day Obama does something the Obamahaters attack him for . .. so what?
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
“Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.”
High-volume “Your-Mama”-baiting MOST cops, in MOST places, would be quite likely to result — for MOST people of ANY color or academic status — in a psychiatric hold.
Perhaps, alas, in conjunction with er “field punishment”.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Would you believe that in the late 50s I had a Social Studies prof that “ACTUALLY” taught social studies? I Think that we should start a movement to boycott any college course that has “studies” in it name. Most of these “studies” courses are leftist propaganda, peddled to a captive audience who needs the credits – so they keep their mouths shut.
Posted by: Temagami | July 26, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Danita – sorry, but if the police officer suspects that there are other bad guys involved, as no doubt this officer did, then the SGT. had every right to demand compliance from Gates. IN OTHER WORDS CALM DOWN AND SHUT UP!! NON COMPLIANCE IS AGAINST THE LAW – IN EVERY STATE!!!!
Posted by: Temagami | July 26, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Temagami . .. .
Gates had provided his ID and he was in his own home.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Danita, did it ever occur to you that the SGT wanted the home evacuated for “EVERYONE’S” protection – until he was satisfied that all were accounted for. WHAT IF THE ID WAS STOLEN? WHERE WAS THIS OTHER GUY? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE WHICH YOU REFUSE TO DO.
Posted by: Temagami | July 26, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
“Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.”
High-volume “Your-Mama”-baiting MOST cops, in MOST places, would be quite likely to result — for MOST people of ANY color or academic status — in a psychiatric hold.
Perhaps, alas, in conjunction with er “field punishment”.
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Maybe for someone with a totalitarian mindset, this would seem appropriate.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.
You might want to move to pre-war Germany.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Sergeant Crowley might do well to resist the beer-bust baloney now coming from Obama-Gates:
On theroot’s front page today (Washington Post/Newsweek, Editor-in-chief Henry Louis Gates Jr.):
“Obama Finally Sounds Like A Black Man”, “Why Obama Did Not, Should Not, Apologize to Officer Crowley”, “Skip Gates Speaks”, “On the Record with Henry Louis Gates Jr.”, “What Do You Call a Black Man with a Ph.D.?”, “Officer Says He Won’t Apologize”, etc.
… along with large banner fotos of Obama, and of Gates in cuffs.
On the ‘About Us’ page:
“The Root is a daily online magazine … The site also hosts an interactive genealogical section to trace one’s ancestry through AfricanDNA.com, a DNA testing site co-founded by Henry Louis Gates, Jr., who is also The Root’s Editor-In-Chief.”
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Temagami . . ..
One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart — in general, be nice to people carrying guns — but it wasn’t disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn’t because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
G-d help the press, and deliver it from carrying water for show-boats!
According to columnist Maureen Dowd, Gates told her “perhaps ‘fate and history chose me for this event.’”
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
It’s no wonder Gates and Obama are trying to smooth this over.
If police audio reveal Gates as another screaming maniac like Rev Wright this story will fire up again.
Crowley should politely refuse the beer.
Obama insulted all police when he said they acted stupidly–and put all police in danger.
Posted by: max | July 26, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
yelling at a police officer is not illegal but when warn to stop yelling during an active investigation and failure to do so is cause for disorderly conduct.. just like you can go scream fire in a movie theatre and call it free speech.. and you can’t yell at a judge in court either and call that free speech..
Posted by: blake | July 26, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
In “Forty Acres and a Gap in Wealth” — a 2007 NYT piece, Gates noted
“… the Pew Research Center published the astonishing finding that 37 percent of African-Americans polled felt that “blacks today can no longer be thought of as a single race” because of a widening class divide.”
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Obama thinks he can charm his way out of anything. As if a beer will make what he said about the police go away.
There are no limits to his arrogance
and it will bring him down.
If beer is the answer why not share a beer with the leaders of Iran and Israel. That will solve everything.
Obama blew it and a beer will not erase his stupidity and prejudice.
Posted by: tyler | July 26, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
I hope Obama continues to give daily speeches and monthly press conferences.
America is finally seeing who he really is.
Biden must be relieved to know that he isn’t the only one that looks foolish.
Posted by: riley | July 26, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
” when warn to stop yelling during an active investigation and failure to do so is cause for disorderly conduct”
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Not at all. Gates had already shown his ID and was in his own home and yelling at the police officer.
The officer told Gates he was going outside and that if Gates wanted to continue the exchange, he could step outside.
Gates stepped outside and continued yelling and the cop arrested him.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Do all Harvard professors think they are better than everyone else and repeatedly say “it’s not about me”.
Obama is fixated on “it’s not about me”.
He needs some new lines on the TOTUS.
I bet Obama and Gates hate beer.
They’re too good for that.
Snobs
Posted by: larry | July 26, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
I wish someone would ask Obama about the DOJ’s decision to drop charges against the Black Panthers.
I would love to hear him stammer through an explanation as to why holding clubs outside voting centers
is OK.
Posted by: reed | July 26, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I personally would not accept a beer; I would accept an apology, not for me, but for the American people.
Posted by: young_voter | July 26, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
If I was Sgt Crowley, I would decline this invitation. It certainly sounds to me like they want to get him alone and “set him straight.” If he comes out of this apologizing, we’ll know why. Obama is a master at manipulation and this Gates sounds like a vicious person who carries a whole deck of race cards.
Posted by: Eyes Open | July 26, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Sergeant Crowley is between a rock and a hard place. Not to accept the invitation from the President would be exceedingly discourteous and even unpatriotic. On the other hand, he will be forced to make nice with a morally offensive and unsavory pill like Gates.
Posted by: anon | July 26, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
The President owes Crowley an apology, not a beer.
Posted by: Skittles | July 26, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Gates stepped outside and continued yelling and the cop arrested him.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 2:52:11 PM
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I like the way you completely ignore the facts as presented in the police report.
Gates was given several warnings, was shown the handcuffs, and continued to exhibit disorderly conduct. He also resisted arrest when he was told he was under arrest.
“As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’ outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from the carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest.”
“Gates initially resisted my attempts to handcuff him”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Gates had provided his ID and he was in his own home.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 1:50:55 PM
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Gates was given several warnings, was shown the handcuffs, and continued to exhibit disorderly conduct. He also resisted arrest when he was told he was under arrest.
“As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’ outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from the carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest.”
“Gates initially resisted my attempts to handcuff him”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Maybe for someone with a totalitarian mindset, this would seem appropriate.
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Massachusetts.
You might want to move to pre-war Germany.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 1:59:59 PM
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Gates was given several warnings, was shown the handcuffs, and continued to exhibit disorderly conduct. He also resisted arrest when he was told he was under arrest.
“As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’ outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from the carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest.”
“Gates initially resisted my attempts to handcuff him”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn’t because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 2:03:09 PM
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You don’t know why the charges were dropped. It was never explained. Perhaps they gave him a break after he calmed down. It happens.
If there was anything wrong with the arrest, I would imagine Crowley would be disciplined which he has not.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
“If anyone acted stupidly, it my book it was Henry Louis Gates.”
– Judge C. Ellen Connally (ret.), in the Cleveland Leader
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
So this is how we’re treating the threat of racial profiling these days? Everyone over for a beer and a photo op? Either it’s serious or it’s not. How disingenuous is that on behalf of the President?
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
How many times has Gates been divorced, anyway?
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
A beer or two? Come on, a knee knocking toilet hugging drunk is needed at this time. One that last 3 and a 1/2 years.
Posted by: david | July 26, 2009, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
The President did just what we try to teach our children not to do … judge others, call people and/or their actions names (i.e. stupidly), and think you can solve your problems with alcohol. Not a good example for our children.
Posted by: clm | July 26, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
And it’s interesting…the different articles name Gates, usually as “Harvard Scholar Henry Gates” in the headline, but refer to Sgt Crowley as “Cambridge Cop,” “Sargeant,” or “policeman.” Or just plain “cop.” In the same headline.
Who’s being minimized?
Posted by: Eyes Open | July 26, 2009, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
“That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped.”
Or maybe it was to avoid any further “jailhouse interviews” from Gates (with his daughter Liza, the former intern at Vogue, published in thedailybeast…)
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
According to CNN, Gates is away from “home” again — but people have been posting signs on his lawn calling him a “racist”, and supporting the Cambridge cops.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
According to CNN, Gates is away from “home” again — but people have been posting signs on his lawn calling him a “racist”, and supporting the Cambridge cops.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Oh, how Obama makes words so unimportant. When someone makes a potential or questionable, he termed it as stupidly; when he makes a definitive, unquestionable error, he called it boneheaded.
Posted by: Politicoli | July 26, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
After listening to Gibbs today,during the prep for the press conference Obama was reminded about the Gates incident.
That means he had thought about it and his response was not off the cuff.
Obama thought his answer was OK and that explains why he was surprised at the backlash.
Obama is so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with saying anything–whether it is trashing doctors or accusing cops of racial profiling.
Posted by: max | July 26, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart — in general, be nice to people carrying guns — but it wasn’t disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn’t because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
“Obama is so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with saying anything–whether it is trashing doctors or accusing cops of racial profiling.”
–> If He hasn’t yet discerned that NObody — even those who have to bow and scrape and defer to the office He holds — believes a mumbling word He says about ANYthing, anymore, He’s become delusional as well as “arrogant”.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Gates saw an opportunity to look like a victim and to accuse cops of racism.
He’s just another one of Obama’s obnoxious friends.
And didn’t he have another old pal that didn’t like cops? Ayers
Anyone surprised by Obama’s comments didn’t bother to research his associates in Chicago.
Posted by: tyler | July 26, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart — in general, be nice to people carrying guns — but it wasn’t disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn’t because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn’t illegal is pretty stupid.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
We’ve got to cut Obama some slack.
He only became postracial when he began running for president.
I guess it officially began the day he pretended to throw Rev Wright under the bus.
Wake up America!!!
He’s not who he pretends to be.
Posted by: larry | July 26, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Meanwhile: Gates, self-proclaimed spokes-victim for the black and poor — weeks ahead of Obama — has fled to … Martha’s Vineyard, the really white retreat with really polite police.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Meanwhile: Gates, self-proclaimed spokes-victim for the black and poor — weeks ahead of Obama — has fled to … Martha’s Vineyard, the really white retreat with really polite police.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Where is ACORN?
Why aren’t they out in front of the police station in Cambridge fighting for
Gates?
Afterall we are paying them millions
for their rent-o-mob services.
Posted by: hal | July 26, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Gates has quickly backed off.
And I doubt it’s because he is such a great guy.
Obama must have convinced Gates to back off because of the damage it was doing to his (Obama’s) postracial image.
Posted by: nick | July 26, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
One thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 6:48:57 PM
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You can post this as many times as you want. One thing is clear. The police report is the official statement on the situation, not your interpretation of what is legal and what happened.
“As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’ outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from the carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest.”
“Gates initially resisted my attempts to handcuff him”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 6:48:57 PM
Shouldn’t you be tracking down those 600,000 summer jobs? It’s already July 26th.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
The officer has checked the ID and is beginning to leave the house, Gates is yelling at him.
The officer says he is leaving the house and invites Gates outside if he wants to continue the exchange. Gates comes outside and the officer arrests him for yelling.
Nothing illegal was done by Gates.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
It’s too hard for Obama to apologize to cops.
It’s much easier for him to travel the world, bow to tyrants, and apologize for this great country.
We have to take our country back.
Posted by: rick | July 26, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
“Gates has quickly backed off.”
Backing off all the way to Martha’s Vineyard — where Oprah Winfrey’s offerred to host a panel discussion — is pretty ludicrous.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
“Backing off all the way to Martha’s Vineyard — where Oprah Winfrey’s offerred to host a panel discussion — is pretty ludicrous.”
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What’s your bias against Martha’s Vineyard?
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Reverend Wright and Professor Gates are cut from the same cloth. They are like two peas in a pod.
Posted by: anon | July 26, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
I know who is Mr. Obama’s mentor. But who is Mr. Gates’ mentor?
Posted by: young_voter | July 26, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Reverend Wright was most likely the trusted counselor and spiritual adviser of both the President and Professor Gates.
Posted by: anon | July 26, 2009, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
“What’s your bias against Martha’s Vineyard?”
“Bias”? Do you people NEVER stop? :^)
It figures that “imminent” corporate academic Gates WOULD have a house there — still, it’s an unlikely setting from which to affect to represent black people — AND “poor” people, if you please — who actually ARE subject to abuse from police:
“A study by the Martha’s Vineyard Commission found that the cost of living on the island is 60 percent higher than the national average and housing prices are 96 percent higher.”
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
The witness claims she did not know the race of the men when she called the police.
“She did not know the race of the men when she called 911 because of her distance and that their bodies were turned away from her vantage point.”
So why did Crawley’s police report say the call he received described the suspects to be two black men?
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
If I were Sgt. Crowley, I would not want a beer, I want to ask for an apology. If I were Mr. Obama, I wouldn’t offer an apology, I would want to ask for forgiveness. If I were Mr. Gates, I wouldn’t want to ask for forgiveness, I would just simply want a beer.
Posted by: young_voter | July 26, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Has the militant professor’s arrest pounded some sense into his head?
Probably not.
Posted by: anon | July 26, 2009, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
“She did not know the race of the men when she called 911 because of her distance and that their bodies were turned away from her vantage point.”
So says New England comcast, in
“Lawyer: Gates 911 caller ‘not racist’”.
The police report says that “Lucia Whalen” called out to Crowley at the scene, identified herself as having called 9-1-1, and said she observed “what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch … her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door,” etc.
Maybe Whalen — since she works up the street from the Gates manse, at the Harvard alumni magazine, — has found it politic to hire a lawyer to tell her what to say? (Is Whalen in fear for her job?}
The thrust of Whalen’s lawyer’s — if Attorney Wendy Murphy IS representing Whalen, rather than some other caller — statement is “I Am Not a Racist”.
Why telling the police the race and gender of two people apparently breaking into a house would be considered “racist” is kind of a head-scratcher, in any case.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
“So why did Crawley’s [sic] police report say the call he received described the suspects to be two black men?”
–> There’s really no excuse for misrepresentin what the police report says — it’s available at the smokinggun and maybe elsewhere.
What the police report DOES say is that Lucia Whalen called out to Crowley, identified herself as having called the police, and spoke to him at the scene.
WhatEVER Whalen — or whoever represented herself as Whalen — said to Crowley is very likely on tape.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Common Sense,
You need to live up to your name. The “pompous attitude” was exhibited by the Professor. If you read the police report this is clearly evident.
Posted by: Charlie C | July 26, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Charlie C . . .
What is actually clear in the officer’s report is this . ..
The officer had checked the ID and is beginning to leave the house, Gates is yelling at him.
The officer says he is leaving the house and invites Gates outside if he wants to continue the exchange. Gates comes outside and the officer arrests him for yelling.
Nothing illegal was done by Gates. Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.
Arresting someone for having done nothing illegal could certainly be considered ‘stupid’.
Being pompous, if he was in fact, is not a crime.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Harvard elitist drink beer?
Or do they just drink beer when they want to pretend to be in touch with regular people.
Or maybe when they face a backlash by the public.
Or when an elitist president is tanking in the polls?
Posted by: marley | July 26, 2009, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
is Obama crazy? Thinking that ALCOHOL is a solution for a person with a severe anger management problem and a persecution complex with paranoid fantasy? Yeah, give the crazy professor a beer. That will solve his issues!
Posted by: Ed | July 26, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
If you read the police report, the officer clearly stated that he had determine Gates was the lawful the owner of the house. Then he requested Gates step outside of his house, that where Gates was arrested. Once that officer determine Gates was the owner of the house, the officer should have just left, instead he requested Gates step outside and arrested Gates. The problem with this report is that officer knew there was no legal ground to arrest Gates inside of his house, so Gates was arrest outside.
Posted by: suv2001 | July 26, 2009, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
BetNoir,
“So why did Crawley’s [sic] police report say the call he received described the suspects to be two black men?”
–> There’s really no excuse for misrepresentin what the police report says — it’s available at the smokinggun and maybe elsewhere.
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The police report clearly states he was looking for two black men based on what Crowley wrote. Crawley said the caller told him that. However, the witness (Whalen) has issued a statement via her attorney to the contrary and stated she did not know the race of the men because she was too far away to tell.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
“Now it makes sense to ask if the arrest of Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. matches the criteria of the Model Penal Code s. 250.2: (1), and it seems to me that the most significant sub-section is 250.2: “(1)(b)…
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“(b) makes unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresses abusive language to any person present…
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“If you believe the police report (and this is an essay about matters of law rather than matters of fact), then Professor Gates probably satisfied the criteria of Model Penal Code s. 250.2: (1) by shouting insults at the cop from his front porch, and even though the front porch itself is not a public place, it was sufficiently close to the public sidewalk and street so that “persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access” were affected.
“That’s not the end of the story, and there is never an end to any story involving a charge of disorderly conduct. For example…
“Mulvey’s conviction was overturned in COMMONWEALTH vs. JOSEPH MULVEY because the location was insufficiently public…
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“The defendant’s mother’s property was set back off the road and was surrounded by a variety of different types of fencing. There was a seventy-five to 100 foot long driveway between the road and the house. Entry to the driveway was through a large gate, composed of eight foot high chain link fencing. Green slats had been threaded through the chain link, making it difficult to see through.
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“The appellate court accordingly overturned Mulvey’s conviction, but Professor Gates’ house is unfenced and adjacent to Ware Street in Cambridge, and the charge of disorderly conduct probably couldn’t have been dismissed on the basis of Mulvey, because…
“It also is possible that behavior occurring on purely private property may be shown to affect or be likely to affect persons in an adjacent or nearby “place to which the public or a substantial group has access,” Model Penal Code § 250.2, such that a disorderly conduct charge would be appropriate.”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
“The police report clearly states he was looking for two black men based on what Crowley wrote.”
What’s in Crowley’s police report, does NOT, however, refer to Whalen’s 9-1-1 call (as was previously stated here), but to what Whalen said (or, perhaps, did not say) at the scene.
Note that Patrolman Carlos Figueroa, whose report also can be found online, also spoke to the person who identified herself as Lucia Whalen.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
No Way “Yo Mama” is fighting words or gives the apparent present ability,
and exposing how a suspect (who was cleared) is lured to the sidewalk to spring some Boilerplate – PC, ‘Disturbing the Police’ trap, is Stupid.
Posted by: Winston Zeddmore | July 26, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
“is Obama crazy?”
THAT’s a darn good question.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
I’m hoping Sgt. Crowley does not fall into this trap. If he does go, I sure hope he caries one of those little pocket recorders. Speaking of recordings, how about the tapes from the arrest. Let’s hear the tapes…
Posted by: Terry | July 26, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Is that research what your department spent their stimulous money on, Traffic Cop Timmy? Seems like the police ought to find better things to do with their time than digging up laws to justify the actions of cops gone egotistical!
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“is Obama crazy?”
THAT’s a darn good question.
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No, someone who invades a country that does not have weapons of mass destruction, does not have a connection with 9/11 – and in doing so kills tens of thousands and doubles the national debt – that person might be crazy.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“No Way “Yo Mama” is fighting words … ”
–> Yeah? Go out and try yelling it at a few cops other than Sergeant Crowley. :^)
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.
Posted by: danita | Jul 26, 2009 9:26:36 PM
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According to this analysis, it certainly is:
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There are several critical elements in this account which bring it into conformity with the “definition” of disorderly conduct, which comes in three layers:
1. Statutes
2. Case law
3. Model code
The most important layer is the model code,
Model Penal Code s. 250.2: “(1) Disorderly Conduct. Offense Defined. A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
“(a) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or
“(b) makes unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresses abusive language to any person present; or
“(c) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.
“‘Public’ means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access . . . .”
But this language does not appear in the Massachusetts statute under the authority of which disorderly conduct is ordinarily prosecuted in Massachusetts
The relevant Massachusetts statute (G. L. c. 272, § 53) is a relic of the colonial era
constitutional challenges to G. L. c. 272, § 53 are avoided by de facto adherence to the Model Penal Code s. 250.2: (1).
ENDQUOTE
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Facts are facts specially when they come from the police officer’s report. 1) The officer had already determined that Gates was the lawful owner of the house, then he requested that Gates step outside and arrested Gates.
2) There was no legal ground to arrest Gates inside of his house.
3) Because the officer taught racial profiling, he fail his own course. He was well aware of preexisting tensions regarding racial profiling. Gates fail the part, when a officer realize there was no crime commit they do not exclate the incident.
4) In that state, it is not against the law to yell at a police officer.
5) The arrest was STUPID,
Posted by: suv2001 | July 26, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
I trust the American people to judge the matter for themselves… let’s hear the tapes!
Posted by: Terry | July 26, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Instead of one of these stupid touchy-feely “Hillary Clinton listening tour”-type dealies, why doesn’t Pres. Obama just be man enough to admit he was wrong, call the guy up on the phone, and give him one of the apologies he seems to have perfected in the Middle East and Venezuala? (And Gates should do the same, too.)
Don’t waste the Sgt.’s time, Mr. President, by schmaltzing him with the maltz!
Posted by: Ken | July 26, 2009, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
4) In that state, it is not against the law to yell at a police officer.
Posted by: suv2001 | Jul 26, 2009 9:46:13 PM
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Maybe you should head over there, try it, and see what happens.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
I think what we will see is a photo of Prog. Gates and Sgt Crowley shaking hands with Mr. Obama in the background. The caption will read: “Prof Gate accepts Sgt. Crowley’s apology and he two promise to work together to help cure racism in the Cambridge Police Department.
Posted by: Terry | July 26, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
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What’s in Crowley’s police report, does NOT, however, refer to Whalen’s 9-1-1 call (as was previously stated here), but to what Whalen said (or, perhaps, did not say) at the scene.
Note that Patrolman Carlos Figueroa, whose report also can be found online, also spoke to the person who identified herself as Lucia Whalen.
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OK. You are much more detailed, although your accusation that misrepresentation connotes that I deliberately tried to do something that I didn’t. My point is the witness tells a different story than what Crowley wrote in the police report. Gates also said Crawley’s report was not what actually happpened — regardless of what the other members of the police gang have said.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Hi Danita,
The tapes will provide important context to the officer’s report. Surely you support the immediate release.
Posted by: Terry | July 26, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
“let’s hear the tapes!”
–> With the Obama organization acting more like the Nixon administration every day, it’s not inconceivable that a Rose Marie Wood situation — “missing” tape — could develop in Cambridge.
THAT will leave LEAKED tapes — inevitably followed by various bureaucratic officials’ dueling pronouncements on the completeness/authenticity thereof, and by more White House meltdown.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Police entrapment.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
“The tapes will provide important context to the officer’s report. Surely you support the immediate release.”
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Why not? I’m just pointing out the officer cooks cooks his own goose by describing how he invited the yelling man outside his own home and then arrested the man for yelling outside.
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
wiki: Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which would be illegal and the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal guilt.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
“My point is the witness tells a different story than what Crowley wrote in the police report.”
–> A witness who works for Harvard suddenly says, days after the fact, that she DIDN’T say the people she saw apparently breaking in “appeared to be” black men?
NOT a big deal … UNLESS the tapes show that she DID in fact say so.
Should THAT be the case, there’ll be the interesting revelation of how Whalen came to change her story, and to do so through a non-Harvard lawyer who just happens to do a talk radio show.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
It’s inconceivable that Imminent Scholar Gates’ Harvard uber-lawyer Mr. Ogletree wasn’t all over witness Lucia Whalen, Harvard employee, by about two hours after the police report was filed.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Entrapment? Wrong.
Invited the yelling man outside his home? Wrong.
Clearly Crowley was prepared to leave and Gates wouldn’t hear of it.
Clearly, Crowley said if he had any OTHER questions, he would speak with him outside. Gates followed him out and continued the SAME conduct as in the house.
From the Police Report:
“With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and PREPARED TO LEAVE. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racist police officer and leveling threats that he wasn’t someone to mess with.
“I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
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NOT a big deal … UNLESS the tapes show that she DID in fact say so.
Should THAT be the case, there’ll be the interesting revelation of how Whalen came to change her story, and to do so through a non-Harvard lawyer who just happens to do a talk radio show.
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If the tape shows that she didnt, Crawley’s gonna have some ‘xplaining to do about why he inserted the black men, yes?
Whalen claims she’s not white. Crawley wrote in the report that she is (understandable if she looked White), but defending/impressing the White woman may have been all up in Crawley’s head, too.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
The imminent Ogletree, Esq., meanwhile, is presently pushing The One’s position via Geraldo Rivera. It is truly disgusting.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
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Entrapment? Wrong.
Invited the yelling man outside his home? Wrong.
Clearly Crowley was prepared to leave and Gates wouldn’t hear of it.
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Gates prevented Crawley from leaving how?
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
“It’s inconceivable that Imminent Scholar Gates’ Harvard uber-lawyer Mr. Ogletree wasn’t all over witness Lucia Whalen, Harvard employee, by about two hours after the police report was filed”
That’s the same Harvard uber-lawyer who ggave out Gates full address (street nname and number) in a PBS radio interview. How out of touch do you have to be to do that?
Posted by: Obfusc8r | July 26, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
“Whalen claims she’s not white.”
So does Obama. :^|
Uh … what DOES Whalen claim as her uh racial identity?
Let me guess: “part Narragansett”? “Other Pacific Islander”?
“63 possible combinations of the six basic racial categories exist, including six categories for those who report exactly one race, and 57 categories for those who report two or more races.” — from US Census info
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Gates prevented Crawley from leaving how?
Posted by: Common Sense | Jul 26, 2009 10:20:35 PM
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If you’re not even going to accurately read all of the police report, I’m not going to waste any more time on it. I’ve provided direct quotes from the report and an analysis of the Mass. G. L. c. 272, § 53 which was clearly on the arrest report. I’m done.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
“Whalen claims she’s not white.”
So does Obama. :^|
Posted by: Bet Noir | Jul 26, 2009 10:28:26 PM
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Now that’s funny…
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
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White woman may have been all up in Crawley’s head, too.
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Bet Noir, you left out that part. You don’t seriosly believe Crawley had the Census on his mind do you?
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
“You don’t seriosly believe Crawley had the Census on his mind do you?”
–> And YOU presumably don’t seriously believe that misspelling Crowley’s name as CRAWLy advances the factual landscape of Obama’s Gates-gate.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
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Now that’s funny…
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy
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But completely untrue! Obama loved his White mama and grandma. His color is black, just as Crawley’s report says the color of the woman that called the police on Gates is White.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Obama loved his White mama and grandma. Posted by: Common Sense | Jul 26, 2009 10:45:22 PM
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You mean poor white grandma he threw under the bus during his campaign?
I can almost feel the love…
“I can no more disown [Jeremiah Wright] than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 26, 2009, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
Yup, saw Ogletree. Very defensive, and straining for excuses. Obama and Gates are misusing the office of the presidency to dispense some “equal justice under the law” that is more equal for some than others. (Those that are connected.)
Perhaps the next time a cop stops me for speeding, the president can speak up for me at a press conference, then invite the hapless officer and myself to tea. Equal justice, heh?
The Oval Office is being run like a crony-centric, corrupt, Chicago style backroom. How hard is Sgt. Crowley’s arm being twisted to convince him to participate in this charade?
Crowley did nothing wrong. He did his job, maintaining the peace, and enforcing the law, using his state-sanctioned authority and judgment, and is now being slandered as a racist. Obama is handling this in a divisive, polarizing manner, and Sgt. Crowley is the victim.
They are casting Crowley as the bad guy, when he is the only one among them that actually understands and appreciates the damage done by racial profiling. But that’s not enough for Obama, Gates and Ogletree. No, no, no. You see, Crowley is white. He’s the racist, until he proves otherwise.
Liberals who support Obama, like Sgt. Crowley, do indeed have a teachable moment here. You can pander to every special interest group you want, but if you are white. you will never be “okay”.
African American males now believe being uncooperative and disrespectful to law enforcement is okay, and that the president himself will back them up. No orderly society can operate this way. This is so inappropriate, it’s pitiful, and Obama has no role to play whatsoever in this local law enforcement matter. Pathetic.
And these are Harvard-trained lawyers. Oh, wait a minute, maybe that’s the problem…
Some sectors of this society thought Obama’s election would bring us into a post-racial society. I know, it seems implausibly ignorant now, but it sure seemed plausible during the campaign!
The abuse of Sgt. Crowley, staining him as a symbol of white oppression when he has been at the forefront of preventing racism in the force, is a corrupt and inexcusable act.
To use this incident as the launching point for some kind of “honest dialogue” about police and race is corrupt and ludicrous. This White House meeting will only validate in everyone’s eyes, especially African American males, that it’s okay to flip off the police because of historical wrongs.
Stand behind the legitimacy of law enforcement if you want a secure, safe and ordered society. If you want chaos and anarchy, encourage B.S. like this. The only good reason for a meeting at the WH now is for Obama to correct the mistake he made in conveying to the African American community that it’s understandable to disrespect and not cooperate with the police, and nothing further.
And, if Gates and Obama are lucky, maybe Sgt. Crowley will show up and let them off the hook.
Posted by: mj | July 26, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
danita,
They make stuff up and never have a problem with the other people that make stuff up, too. Right now, they are blinded by Gates’ color and you nor anyone can convince them to see Gates as an American with civil rights.
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Keep up the good fight, danita!
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Common Sense . ..
Yes, I know and they’ll even insult his grandmother . .. . nothing is beneath them.
The agenda is all that matters. It’s sad
Posted by: danita | July 26, 2009, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Watch out White House Security Staff. Gates my cry foul and pull that race card out on you when he’s asked to pass thru the security checkpoints, metal detectors, etc…..
Posted by: HOTKEYnMD | July 26, 2009, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
“The Oval Office is being run like a crony-centric, corrupt, Chicago style backroom. How hard is Sgt. Crowley’s arm being twisted to convince him to participate in this charade?”
Sgt. Crowley’s being courted by the Obama organization, one supposes, about as hard as Satan twisted Jesus’ arm in the desert — power, glory, position, principalities, etc.
If THAT doesn’t work, Sgt. Crowley can probably anticipate threats of pestilence, blood, ruin, death, and whatnot — the whole satanic mobster catalog of go-along, get-along.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 26, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
I hope Crowley turns him down. Obama is pimping him.
Posted by: tanarg | July 27, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am
It’s quite possible Crowley said he was game because to refuse would have been impolite. Has he publicly said he’d go?
Posted by: tanarg | July 27, 2009, 12:18 am 12:18 am
The President made the most serious blunder of his undistinguished political career by taking sides and supporting an unstable friend of his own race without first gathering facts. The upcoming beer farce will not restore the President’s credibility of which he has none at the moment.
Posted by: anon | July 27, 2009, 12:38 am 12:38 am
“It’s quite possible Crowley said he was game because to refuse would have been impolite. Has he publicly said he’d go?”
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Crowley is probably thinking he knew the guy was upset and yelling, he’d figured out the man was in his own home .. . “I just should have left”.
Instead, he invited the yelling man outside of his home and arrested him in the front yard for yelling.
The charges had to be dropped because the man had done nothing illegal.
Crowley is probably thinking about what kind of an honest statement he can make about the incident. Mistake do happen.
Posted by: danita | July 27, 2009, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Will Obama make his formal apology to the police officer at this get together?
Posted by: sally j | July 27, 2009, 7:21 am 7:21 am
We don’t know if Sgt. Crowley or Professor Gates “acted stupidly”. We do know that our president did. He should never have commented or passed judgement only seconds after saying he didn’t have the facts. His blatant verbal attack on the police demonstrates once again his elitist disrespect for the common citizen.
Sgt. Crowley, the police department and the patrolman’s union should sue the president for a few million each. Any way it comes down Sgt. Crowley’s career as a police officer is over. He deserves fair compensation. I’d say about $4 -5 million would be fair. The police department and patrolman’s union should sue for like amounts.
Posted by: Oonogil | July 27, 2009, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Maybe at the photo-op this event will provide, the three men can release the 911 tapes of the incident. Then the President and Mr. Gates can offer an apology to Sgt. Crowley and the CPD at the same time.
Posted by: Mittsgurl | July 27, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am
For Obama and Gates to claim this incident is an example of racial profiling – is an injustice to REAL victims of REAL racial profiling.
But will Obama step up and admit the Truth?!
Gates got what he wanted – headlines.
Posted by: joseyj | July 27, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
The three-way conversation over beer is a political gimmick. The President should disinvite Gates and tender a public apology to Sergeant Crowley.
The President shillyshallied for quite a while before he severed his relationship with Reverend Wright.
In that case the President was being unfairly judged for the divisive and incendiary words and persona of his pastor. In this case the President himself has committed a grievous blunder.
Posted by: anon | July 27, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
I sorta wish the officers had driven off leaving an angry old man shaking his fists and screaming at clouds.
But that wouldn’t have been wise, considering Gates was totally off his rocker.
Sadly, Gates legacy will be inciting the public to voice their “freedom of speech” by screaming and yelling at police – and REFUSING requests to calm down.
Posted by: joseyj | July 27, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Invite a cop to the WH to show the working class what a regular guy Obama is.
After Crowley leaves Obama and Gates will break out the wine and $100 a lb. steak.
Obama thinks a beer will make this go away–Crowley should politely refuse the invitation.
Posted by: bill | July 27, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Vindication for Biden and Bush.
I bet they are both laughing hysterically.
The most brilliant president ever has no common sense.
Posted by: millie | July 27, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Obama just wants the photo-op.
I hope Crowley won’t go.
Obama was wrong and he should apologize to all cops.
Posted by: nick | July 27, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Posted by: mj | Jul 26, 2009 10:58:14 PM
Well said, mj. Some of us are listening. And please see my post about the Oklahama cops being killed this weekend.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 27, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Barry should ditch Skip and say sorry to Jim.
Posted by: anon | July 27, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am
In Seminole, Oklahama, a man opened fire on two sheriff’s deputies trying to serve a domestic abuse warrant Sunday, killing both officers. When deputies knocked on the door, Ezekial Holbert started shooting. One officer died at the scene; the other at the hospital.
This tragedy serves as a reminder that those who protect and serve deserve our respect and cooperation at all times.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 27, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
after the last 8 years of Bush and Cheney, that would be a funny statement if it wasn’t so misguided and sad.
Posted by: Dewde | Jul 27, 2009 11:20:09 AM
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Yea, so much for “change” in a new era of transparency and accountability.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 27, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
It’s no wonder Gates has backed off and Obama wants this to go away.
As more comes out it bebomes clear who acted like racist.
Gates even made racist remarks about the 911 caller.
Obama and Gates look like the racist.
A beer won’t help.
Crowley should refuse to go without a public apology.
Posted by: bailey | July 27, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Having a beer like regular working class guys.
Then Gates and Obama are off to Martha’s Vineyard.
Crowley is back to risking his life everyday to keep the public safe.
Posted by: tyler | July 27, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I bet Obama envisioned making a major speech about racial profiling.
That’s how out of touch he is.
He was shocked that there was such a public backlash.
He can make the speech at his own peril.
I hope he does.
Posted by: max | July 27, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
CS…”Keep up the good fight???” And liberals claim those who do not agree with their agenda divisive!!!!
Posted by: Parallex View | July 27, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
If this event comes to pass, I hope an American beer is selected, such as Boston Lager by Sam Adams, a great American patriot.
Posted by: Bagpiper | July 28, 2009, 8:23 am 8:23 am
My vote is for the Boston Lager. Come on the two people in the middle of this mess are from Cambridge. The Sam summer would do if you want the summer version but I think for the weight of the conversation you need the Boston Lager to do it justice.
Posted by: Joel | July 28, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
I would suggest to the President the flavorful but easy drinkin’ Spotted Cow by New Glarus Brewery in Wisconsin. Hands down.
Flavor wise, imagine the best non-fruity wheat beer you’ve ever had, and kick it up a few notches.
It’s an unfiltered farmhouse ale, unparalleled in my many years of beer consumption.
Only available in Wisconsin, they don’t ship anywhere else.
Posted by: ENDIF | July 28, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Wow, a lot of mindless talking point regurgitation going on.
And here I thought we were going to talk about beer.
Posted by: ENDIF | July 28, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Kona Pipeline Porter…From his home state of Hawaii and Oh so good.
Posted by: sean baker | July 30, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm