Leading Blue Dog Democrat: Pelosi Does Not Have the Votes for Health Care Reform

Pelosi lied about the CIA and
she’s lying now! What else is new?

From David Brooks, the New York Obama Times:
Every cliché Ann Coulter throws at the Democrats is gloriously fulfilled by the Democratic health care bills. The bills do almost nothing to control health care inflation. They are modeled on the Massachusetts health reform law that is currently coming apart at the seams precisely because it doesn’t control costs. They do little to reward efficient providers and reform inefficient ones.

Jake, could you possibly ask the president and/or any other liberal who keeps insisting that the majority of Americans want “reform”: what are the specific questions asked in these polls?
I want TORT REFORM, ILLEGAL ALIENS OFF THE PUBLIC DOLE, AND LESS GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS/REGULATIONS, not a massive overhaul and tyrannical intrusion. I hope to God they aren’t including me in those numbers.

Pelosi = FAIL

If it’s not good enough for Congress, the President and the Unions, it ain’t good enough for me. Period. Not negotiable.

2Brixshy:”Remember the old days, when Congress voted on bills that were actually fully written and there was more than 7 hours to read them?”
Unless you’re going back to before women had the vote, you’re making up history. Tight bills have always gone from the last deal cut for the last support block needed straight to vote. That’s how it’s done in our legislative system.

Diane Suffern:”Jake, could you possibly ask the president and/or any other liberal who keeps insisting that the majority of Americans want “reform”: what are the specific questions asked in these polls?”
The major polling houses post the exact wording they use and usually the order questions are asked in. Jake would look like an idiot asking the president a question that a fourth grader could answer in 5 minute with Google.

If the Democrats really cared about health care they would not sit back and let Arnold destroy health care in CA.
So forgive me if I don’t trust Obama and Pelosi.
Pelosi’s own state is crumbling and she isn’t doing anything to help. For every dollar CA pays in federal taxes it only gets back 78 cents in services. Now they want us to pay for the rest of the country’s health care.
NO thanks!!

Too bad the first female Speaker of the House lacks intelligence and integrity.

Obamas speech. No specifics. JUST a sales PITCH

Oh and he is going to tell you what to eat too. SO you beter get used to toufu in Obama care

ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS CA IS SO FAR IN DEBT IS THE HARBORING OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO FLOOD THE HOSPITALS AND ERs. ADD NY, IL AND OHIO ALONG WITH A HOST OF OTHER STATES. THE FED HAS NO INTENTION OF TIGHTENING UP OUR BORDERS, THEREBY CREATING EVEN MORE CHAOS FOR ANY NATIONAL HEATH CARE PROGRAM. OBAMA’S PROGRAM WILL BE A DISASTER ON ITS OWN – ADD IN THE ILLEGALS AND YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT IT.
NOTE, I AM ASHAMED OF SHAKER HTS CITY SCHOOLS HOSTING THIS OBAMA FARCE.

If we have national health care, what will happen to the areas of medical research and institutions like Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic?

I’m listening to this guy speaking and he’s not making any sense; I have to say that Americans are the most naive and ignorant people in most developed country if they cannot see through this guy’s double speak. I think Americans deserve whatever befalls them for refusing to be engaged in something as important as healthcare.

Texas comes out pretty clean with all this recession stuff. Why? No city tax, no state tax and a very, very, pro business environment. Also, when they have to balance a budget, they cut back on spending. TEXAS UNDERSTANDS THAT RAISING TAXES IS USUALLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE AND DONE ONLY AS A LAST RESORT – NOT FIRST OPTION AS IN MANY STATES LIKE OHIO (my home) THAT RAISE TAXES FIRST AND WONDER WHY THEY ARE IN TROUBLE (business moves out and so do its people – TO TEXAS). IT REALLY ISN’T DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN, IT IS LIBERAL VS CONSERVATIVE AS THE BLUE DOG DEMS ARE FINALLY WAKING UP. GOOD FOR THEM – THEY KNOW THAT THESE DISASTER PROGRAMS OMAMA IS PUSHING WILL SURELY CAUSE THEIR WATERLOO, TOO!!!! THEY ARE SURE RIGHT ABOUT THAT!!

JImbo: Texas had Dubya giving them American tax dollars for eight years. Plus you had Texas companies like Enron stealing everybody’s money.
And no offense, but most of Texas is polluted and kind of icky.

Jake would look like an idiot asking the president a question that a fourth grader could answer in 5 minute with Google.
Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 22, 2009 7:35:23 PM
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Now that wasn’t nice. I thought you guys were all about Hope & Change and reaching out to your fellow man. Does this mean you haven’t really changed at all?

I have, but it was 10 years ago. Maybe it’s better now.

Remember the “shovel ready” projects from the stimulus package. All who will be rationed with end of lifecare will be classified as “shovel ready”.

Just ask yourself this question…
Will Congress or the President use the “Public Option” for their Health Care?
The answer is OF COURSE NOT!!!
Now, if they do not want it for themselves, then why should the American People who are paying for it use it?
Can you say ELITISM???

Well, she has blue dog — er, lap dog Dems like Mike Thompson (CA 1st) to be “Pelosi Poodles.”

Couple of questions: Will Obama and Congress be forced onto this healthcare system and forego any other healthcare?
Will he force all federal workers on the plan?
Will they do this before he forces us to?

“there will be some form of end of lifecare rationing, although I am fuzzy on the details.”
Have you seen “Soylent Green” (1973)?
Don’t worry about the illegals coming here. Worry whether you can afford to leave and go there.

Obama and Peolos’s single payer plan forces every American to have and pay for health insurance. Pelosi’s plan doesn’t include tort reform and doesn’t control spiraling costs. The conservatives have a health care delivery reform plan that doesn’t ‘socialize’ American health care. But, have you heard of it? Why not?

Health insurance should be free choice.

“Most of Texas is polluted and icky”. Where? I’m from freaking Maryland and I just came back from Houstan on a business trip. While there I drove around alot and I can tell you it was nothing like I thought it would be.
The cities were clean, the girls were pretty and I saw far fewer illegial aliens there than on the East Coast!
Beleieve you me – the only thing keeping my state’s head above water is your tax money.

I love it. All the libs are realizing what a dupe this guy is.

Pelosi has got to be the most out of touch politicians in Washington. And that deer caught in the headlights look freaks out my kids. For the sake of humanity Nancy, wear a bag over over your head!

Foot stuck on accelerator! Foot stuck on accelerator! Foot stuck on accelerator!Foot stuck on accelerator!Foot stuck on accelerator!

I say bring it on. Bring on the nobama socialized medicine pain. Pain is all the American electorate understands anyway. Physical or financial pain.
It’s for our own good and it’s the only way to be rid of obama and the democrats.

@reform is inevitable
Again, you attack and do name calling rather than debate the issue. You discredit yourself. I believe health care needs to be reformed, but not at the cost of future generations, and not at the cost of losing our rights to get coverage after a certain age.

If this socialized health care is so great write it into the law that all members of congress, the senate and the president and their families are forced to use it.
While your at it since Obama doesn’t want poor people to get vouchers so their children can go to private schools just like his write into the law that the house, senate and president have to send their kids to public schools.
Always writing laws that exempt themselves from the disasters they create.

To SARileyMan:
To pass a budget in CA it takes a 2/3 majority in both houses. Democrats do not have a 2/3 majority. That’s why a small number of Republicans along with Arnold can hold up the budget every year. So saying that Democrats have a majority doesn’t mean anything because a simple majority (51) cannot pass a budget.
As for tax increases, yes, they would work. Oil companies pay no severance tax in CA. In Alaska they pay 25%. An oil severance tax would bring in BILLIONS.
Cuts in the prison system would save money. Letting non-violent offenders, such as people there on driving violations, serve their sentences at homew wpild save money. But Republicans take money from the prison guards union, so that’s out.
Also for every dollar CA sends to the federal government it only gets back 78 cents. That has to change. We need our money and we cannot subsidize the rest of the country anymore.
But our dumb Governor would rather borrow.

The silent majority better open their mouths and call there representatives and senators. This is no time to be shy unless you want socialism in this country. I’d hate to be the one to tell my grandchildren that I voted to give up freedom.

If they can’t get health care reform, then this system is too far gone.
Purely on the numbers or when viewed with an ounce of common sense….the American health care system is sick. It needs to be completely reset, and the cancer is clearly the private insurers….they are funding the opposition here, for good reason (protecting profits).
So long as you have health care keyed to a fiduciary responsibility to insurance company investors rather then, oh, um…efficient health care….this is what you will get. Expensive, bloated and inefficient….maximizing profits rather then results. Rewards based on ‘sales’ rather then QuALitY of life….RESULTS.
It’s sad that this has become partisan, and more a fight of the Republicans vs Democrats, rather then a real discussion of what needs to be done. Insurance money (the 1.5 million spent a day) needs only to buy out a few moderates to corrupt a system that kills 20,000+ a year and costs way too much.
It’s sad really.

I am happy with my Health Care Plan that I have now. Will it go away when this gets shoved down our neck? As to reading the bill BEFORE it is passed, do you really think Congress will allow that to happen, come on they passed a 787 Billion dollar bill with NO ONE in DC having time to read it, do you think they will let us read this one? If you do… something about selling beach front property in Arizona…

People, don’t forget that his idea of health care will require mandatory enrollment and payment to the system, whether you have the money or not is not an issue, they will put liens on your properties for not paying into the system. This paragraph is hidden in the fine print accessible to only few senators until the bill becomes law.
Also, the Medicare will seize to exists and all senior citizens will have to pay and enroll as everybody else.
IRS will be given full power to enforce the collection of premiums and authorized to put liens on any personal properties and bank accounts we own.
The above are a just few things that are not discussed in public due to the outrage that might cause.
So now, you know why all of this is happening behind closed door and out of sight of the media.
God bless us all if this monstrous health care bill passes.

Obama’s “disembodied calm” explained: BLUE PILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama speech offered no facts, no figures. Either his number does not add up or he is hiding something. You can count on that at the end EVERYONE will be taxed for Obamacare and get even worse care. Just look at what happened to the other trillion dollars (stimulus) that he has spent. Where did the money go? It’s scary that we put this kind of people in charge of our country. He knows healthcare no more than I do. That’s why we can no longer let lawyers handling our money!

online is the 1018 page bill, all of you, please read pages 15 thu 25, IT CLEARLY STATES, “WE CANNOT KEEP OUR CURRENT HEALTH INSURANCE, NOR OUR PERSONAL PHYSICIAN!”
DEMS/REPUBLICANS/INDEPENDENTS, UNITE NOW!
THIS BILL WILL HURT ALL OF US, AND, TAX OUR BUTTS OFF SO ILLEGALS GET FREE HEALTHCARE,FOOD,SCHOOLING, AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS LOANS!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ON TAXES!

Too bad no one had the nerve to ask the President what he meant in an interview when he said “it’s a start.”

Guess you guys are perfectly happy with the hideously dysfunctional healthcare system we have right now, yes?
Posted by: reform is inevitable | Jul 22, 2009 10:16:48 PM
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My health care plan is fine. I work and pay the premiums and co-pays. Hands off, Mr. President! Fix the dysfunctional pieces but keep your hands off mine!

The current system is far better than anything this president or congress could concoct. True, insurance should be portable, the tax break should go to individuals and not employers, and catastrophic coverage should be available via private industry. The last is problematic because, having worked for an individual health insurance company for 14 years, I’ve seen the huge expense caused by 50 states mandates on coverage. Reform doesn’t mean you have to break a good, working system to implement an unknown, expensive and socialist system. It means you work with all parties since health care affects us all. Given this president and this congress have completely refused any compromise with the Republicans, they will get the loss this horrible, bottom-feeding legislation deserves.

I especially liked when he said “I don’t blame the public for being skeptical. Lawmakers have not passed many bills recently that help the people.”
Is he talking about the bills that he’s been personally pushing in his first 6 months in office? Is this a direct admission of his failures in his first 6 months?

Well how’s that hope and change working for you. watch your pocket book, here they come

Grace 44….. tell us why the health care reform that Dalibama is trying to FORCE through the systems is good enough for you and I but NOT for him, his family and the rest of Congress????? Oh, I’m sorry…repubs voted that they would sign up for it but the dems said they wouldn’t…..funny…yet typical of your ilk!

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I watched the ABS video segment “What Do Americans Sacrifice for Healthcare” and:
* I am deeply insulted and offended that Obama would mock me by called my “ginned up” because I disagree with him. This is the classic Obama liberal tactic of attacking and smearing those who disagree with him – and I am insulted and offended by this president.
* Obama gives a dumb example of saving money – cutting down on doctors order the same tests over and over. I’ve had multiple procedures and never experienced (nor observed) this happen. So, if Obama is banking on this, he’s clinging to thin air. You’re supposed to be president and prepared. Don’t give dumb examples.
* Of course Obama uses the language “we can’t afford what we’re doing right now.” When I was unemployeed I incurred healthcare debt – and I paid it off. Obama is fabricating another phoney argument. The only urgency is in his reputation.
* Oh course Obama paints the picture there are only two solutions floating out there – do “nothing” and the Obama multi-trillion dollar plan. Guess what – there’s more than those two avenues. How about this reform – stop wasteful government spending, cut taxes and promote private sector job growth.
* What fantasy island does Obama and his administration live on, that he can say the “recovery” and “stimulus” packages have stabilized the economy. Unemployment is going up and incomes are going down. Obama and his ilk are playing their “Washington” word games (a/k/a propaganda)

To Versionthirteen….
First off….what in the world do you know about socialized healthcare? If you are so smart on this topic, please tell me how many canadians and brits you’ve spoken to about this. Do you have any idea what will happen under the current plan? Our level of healthcare will go down the tubes. Why? there will be less money for equipment, there will be less doctors because they left their practice to do 0ther things, and there will be less incentive to become a doctor.
Please do yourself a favor…talk to as many canadians and brits that you can. And talk to doctors from those countries.
If you havent figured it out then, then you have brain damage! And you are a moron!

“hideously dysfunctional” healthcare system? Seriously? Don’t believe the lie! Go try living in one of these socialized “progressive” countries where people are dying because they can’t get the “free” healthcare they pay for with 60% of their income.
My healthcare is fine right now. It’s affordable, covers me enough (not great, but enough) and as a small business owner, it’s 100% my responsibility. The great part is, I get to make the choices as to what I want to do with it!
Name 1 thing that the govt. has ever managed well, and think seriously before supporting a Govt. run healthcare system.

We discovered by accident that my son at age 15 yrs. old had stage 4 cancer, tumors had spread throughout his body. That same week the doctor’s put him on an aggressive chemo treatment. That was almost 4 yrs. ago, he is now cancer free! He still has to go for screening every 6 mths.; blood tests & x-rays. I know, for a fact that if we would have had this horrenduos, socialized – government run health care plan inacted back when we had discovered he had cancer he would definetly not be with us today! He would have been placed on a waiting list, then possibly denied treatment because his cancer had spread & was at stage 4. He is a grateful, happy young man, that’s pursuing a career as a police officer.

Congresspeople and Senators:
Stop the healthcare bill.
Stop Cap and Trade.
Stop the Bailouts.
Suggestion: Save face. Resign before we vote you out in 2010.

He claims he saved the economy which is a lie. His numbers are all based upon lies.
If he wants recovery all he has to do is step down and watch what happens.

Sure the government plan will ‘compete’ with private insurance. Just give private insurance a limitless supply of tax dollars shoveled in the back door, and allow them to pay 2/3 the actual cost of treatment and declare it ‘paid in full’. That’s how they compete – and Obama had the b*lls to say ‘why are they afraid to compete on a level playing field’ (!!). What a disingenuous schmuck he is.

If it’s good for us, it’s good for them!
There is a resolution: H Res 615 that says if this passes each congressional member shall drop their current coverage and sign up for the package they are slamming down our throats.
So far 42 republicans have co-sponsored it and for the democrats, well they are currently at 0.
Enough said!!!!!

It’s quite simple:
Do you trust the same people that were supposed to stimulate the economy with our health care system?

QUOTE: “If this bill fails it will be because Obamna did not do a good enough job explaining it. Not because of dumb Republican lies… Posted by: Karen | Jul 22, 2009 10:41:49 PM
Obama can’t EXPLAIN it because he admitted on camera he doesn’t know what is in the bill! Nor do the people who will vote for it! If the Founding Fathers had seen what a Kangaroo Kongress we would have now, they would have made some changes in the Constitution – No bill over 40 pages long, only one item per bill, all bills to be read in their entirety and UNDERSTANDABLY in session.
Vote out the Kangaroo Kongress. America, stop watching reality TV and start watching actual reality. Karen, this means you too.

Add me to the increasingly growing list of fed up Americans who say “NO!” to Obamascare Healthcare. He keeps saying that our current course is “unsustainable” and “broken”; well if by that he means “America has the best healthcare system in the world bar-none”, than I am inclined to agree. Is our system perfect? Not by any means… but to use an analogy, when your car has a bad exhaust do you overhaul the engine and replace the transmission? No! The entire system is not “broken”, simply fix what needs it and leave the rest alone!

Re: “Once we get this deceiptful liberal group of crooks out it will be a long, long, long time befor the Americans elect another Liberal Dumbocrat for POTUS…”
These Democrats are not liberals. They take orders from the corporations. Frankly, I am a REAL Democrat, and they are too corporate for me. And I will never forgive them for not helping CA in her hour of need!
Furthermore, I do not like this end of life rationing in the health care plan. I find that abhorrent.

Someone needs to hang Pelosi upside down for a while – get some blood into that brain of hers.

I predict future happiness for americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
-Thomas Jefferson

I have to agree that the economy is going to crash again – sooner rather than later, this fall – I’m in marketing and all of the layoffs have not helped any of my clients – just this month they have cut back more than ever on everything. I don’t think that the poo has even started to hit the fan. Party on, Obama! At least he saved all of the bankers before the ship went down.

Karen: That’s not true. Is that best you guys can do? If this bill fails it will be because Obamna did not do a good enough job explaining it. Not because of dumb Republican lies.
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Please by all means tell us dumb Republicans whats in this not totally written unneeded health care bill

America (N’s) has been ROBBED, when do the investigations begin???!!! Can Mobsters/Connivers really Manipulate/Operate freely above the law? Apparently so, they can holler “FIRE” IN THE CROWDED THEATER, (So to speak) and earn millions off the sound-byte “Global Warming” (Two words that have given them Millions, if not Billions, if not Trillions of dollars generated from the fruits of your labors (If the truth were to be realized))!!!! Is the Wizard Of Oz coming true, are there really people without a brain???!!!

The American people can not bare the job losses that will occur as a result of healthcare reform. Middle Class American Concerns are as follows:
1) 2.6 million Americans are estimated to lose their jobs as a result of US Healthcare reform. Where will these individuals obtain jobs? There are no new estimated US jobs for the next 5 years. Will the US Government replace salaries of individuals trained only to administer employee benefits for the remainder of their lives? The US government has targeted and intends to destroy the employee benefits industry. US citizen are being deprived of their ability to remain gainfully employed for positions/ careers they have spent their lives developing. Criminal and the US government is culpable.
2) The proposed Healthcare insurance reform plans will eliminate private insurance. WHY? Why is it necessary to eliminate private insurance?
3) American Democrats need tax breaks. All Americans need tax breaks.
4) Universal Healthcare will compromise the accessibility and level of care provided to Americans.
5) Why are we recreating the US Healthcare system, a program that cover 185 million Americans to accomodate the needs of 18 million?
6) Why are non US citizen eligible to participate in a healthcare program sponsored by US tax payers?
7) We are reducing medicare benefits under the new plan??

What a train wreck. God help all American’s, even the igorant fools who voted for this clown.

Maybe there is hope for the Democratic Party. The voting record on this bill will be the template for the next election list of Senators and Congressman to vote against. The list of supporters will feel the sting on Election Day for there is very serious back pressure for this bill.

Obama and the Dems are doing *nothing* to fix the economy. In fact, the policies that they want to put in place are enough to ruin a good economy, but ours is *not* good. In 2010 another round of mortgage resets are due. This combined with the higher taxes that are coming and combined with all of the printing of money, we are headed for high inflation, 15%+ unemployment, higher interest rates (what will this do to the debt we owe?). The Dems are either too stupid to know this or they are doing it intentionally. I constantly hear from Obama supporters that he is very intelligent (as all Dems are), so you draw your own conclusion. VOTE THEM OUT IN 2010! Hopefully, it won’t be too late then.

Weeeeeee!!! Off the cliff we go! Good lord, Waterloo? Sounds like a fun ride at Disney World!
I’ve got family in a socialist country. I have an aunt who is a socialist doctor. When her son get into a motorcycle accident where did she take him? NOT a government hospital or outpatient therapy. Seriously people, let’s wake up.
This isn’t Waterloo. This is D-Day. When we take on Fortress Obama and start to losen his grip on our country.

In a fee for service healthcare system, a dead patient is a revenue loss. In a socialized system, a dead patient is a cost savings.
I think I’d rather have a doctor who gets compensated for good quality of care, rather than one who loses money on every patient he treats. Where is the incentive to practice good medicine? Who will go to medical school under Obamacare? Not the best and brightest, that’s for sure. They will be lawyers, because Obamacare has no provision for tort reform.
Good doctors will be regulated and denied payment until they no longer want to practice medicine. The rest will be sued out of existance.
Very, very sad times for America.

Lame duck after 6 months…not a good sign for America.

The democratic criticised president bush for collecting wire tapes. Now they want to collect your medical records.

Under this plan, if you are a WWII veteran or a civil right pioneer and are 82 years old and need a serious operation, an illegal alien who has only been in the country six weeks will be approved for care quicker than you.

We do not need government run health care and that is EXACTLY what Obama and the liberal democrats are trying to push thru! When they say they are not trying to have government health care, THEY ARE LYING! Thank GOD for the Blue Dog Democrats! Stop this mess and stop it now! Call your representatives!! Let them know you do not want this!

Sure lets let the big corportations off the hook more, they will get even more tax breaks to off-set fees to the govt for crapy health care for us. We will pay for our healthcare at our jobs with higher taxes, but we won’t get the tax breaks that the top boys do. This is nothing more than snuffing out the middle and upper class and redistributing to the Govt, the large Corporations. The Federal Reserve(a greedy private corporation) is the vehicle for them to steal our hard earned money.

OBAMA SPENT MORE TIME FINDING A PUPPY THAN HE IS WILLING TO SPEND ON HEALTHCARE REFORM. sorry caps were necessary to drive point of Obama lunacy

Senator Claire McCaskill and Congressman Russ Carnahan of Missouri both support Obamacare, cap and trade, and both voted for the stimulus. From talking to people in my community, I doubt that either will be re-elected. I know too many people who voted for them last time, but are furious with them now. They were both elected with slim majorities.

This guy obama is a weakling and a disgrace, doesn’t even know whats in the bill. the Dems are through if they pass this disaster. You think the rich are going to sit idlely by and be taxed to death, they always find ways around paying taxes. It will only increase in cost.

Everyone seems to just accept that there is a large group of people who cannot get the health care they need. And that the government “needs to do something.” The truly poor are covered by medicaid. The elderly are covered by medicare. There are low cost policies available to cover catastrophic situations. Most have insurance available from work. The Health Services Resource Administration has a wide ranging system of Federally Funded Health Centers and Community and Migrant Centers in all large cities and most rural areas where people pay according to their ability for a wide range of primary care services. ERs are not allowed to turn people away. What exactly is the problem?

When are the journalists going to do their jobs? Why didn’t any of them ask Obama about why Congress,etc. are EXEMPT from participating in Obamacare, even though they are FORCING us to accept its terms?

frankly as a democrat all i have to say is that anybody who is powerful enough to rise in politics, dem or rep is just plain old corrupt. i mean if this bill passes, what part of america is going to be freakin free? why cant rich people just keep their crap to themselves and leave us alone

The elected officials are learning. If they continue this bowing to Obama they will all be one termers or last termers. The people don’t want Obama’s plan. And any real American doesn’t want Socialism.

Did our president just try to “fake” his way through a Healthcare presentation? Maybe I’m crazy, but as the President of a financial firm I have to say that if one of my financial analysts came in my office and displayed the utter lack of attention to detail, incompetence, and willingness to irresponsibly float nonsensical, unjustifiable,baseless economic indications he would be gone. What a disgrace. We are F’d.

Can we all agree that Nancy Pelosi is the third most clueless person in congress after Barbra Boxer and Maxine Waters?

Here is the clincher: the goal of Obama’s healthcare folly is to give everyone health insurance, but Congress has quietly admitted that they will not be able to actually cover everyone. My point: why destroy a top-notch system to service 98% of the population when only 6% of them don’t have health insurance.

The empty suit has spoken. He didn’t say a thing as always. He has not read the bill. Look this guy over. He is a bipolar and this is the equinox so the days are getting shorter and his bipolar disease knows it. Look at his face, this guy is getting ready for a meltdown. The poll numbers are dropping. His fragile over stuffed ego can’t take a punch. But here it comes as the disease starts to break him down into a gibberish speaking depressive.

Pelosi is a complete moron. Anyone who watched that crazy eyed nutjob touting the 786 Billion dollar “stimulus” bill and get on TV telling us that we were losing 550 million jobs a month when the US population is only around 300 million knows what an imbecile she is. This bill is nothing short of a power grab by a corrupt government. Democratic congressmen wish to shove it down our throats quickly and before anyone gets a chance to read it..just like the failed and unaccounted for stimulus bill…the final version doesn’t even exist yet….This is a railroading of our rights, a violation of our privacy and yet another grab/theft of our money.
Vote them out of office in 2010.

Obama lies like a persian rug. 12-20 million illegal aliens will get health care for free while us stupid deceaved taxpayers pay through the nose. The media and comrade Obama wants to destroy this country. We will fight to the death against communism or muslims trying to take this country.

If and I do mean if the power base that exists now can be weakend in 2010 TERM LIMITS for congress must be implemented or this country is doomed to burn to the ground. People like the scum in our current congress do not care what you say or think. They have the MSM backing them and are well funded by their dubious owner/handlers. There is no room in our current system for fair representation.

It’s not true. The truly poor are not covered by Medicaid. My dad make $12,000 a year and has a job. His company (WAL MART) does not offer him insurance like his previous company did (where he made 21,000).
He does not qualify for Government healthcare, yet he and all of us, pay FICA taxes which go toward Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
My dad is 59 and diabetic. He is a US Citizen.
He really needs insurance, but it cost 900 a month through Blue Cross and Blue Shield because of “pre-existing” condition and age.
I think he only makes like 900 a month (or not much more than that after taxes).
There’s this preconceived notion that people without health care are stupid, lazy people who don’t work and are illegal aliens.
I’m really mad at ignorant Fox news watchers who insult millions of people like my dad every day.

“Can we all agree that Nancy Pelosi is the third most clueless person in congress after Barbra Boxer and Maxine Waters?” yes..
Well Dave, California is run by Democrats and is in the poorest financial shape of any state in the union. even though they will take in over 125 BILLION dollars they want to spend 158 Billion. The Democrats here take in a dollar and spend 3. Whats even worse? Our state budget went from about 58 Billion in 98 to 153 Billion in 2009, 11 years later. Imagine what these unaccountable morons can do to the country if they stay in office for a few more years?
We can’t vote them out Dave, they have gerrymandered the Districts. We passed an amendment that will bring in an independent group to redistrict, we’ll see what happens after that.

How incredibly bad is this guy? I guess he really thinks this is still college where you can just fake your way through or maybe just write a paper for a grade.
His complete lack of attention to detail, reality, or even basic economics is amazing. But, what did we all really expect anyhow?
So, how about that tort reform first, then we go on from there with other reform by changing one variable at a time – or really planning things out.
Nah, that would be too logical. Please let us give even more of our money away. Didn’t we form this country based on the idea of personal freedom and less taxes? We are all still Americans after all. People are waking up to the fact that just because we may have had bad things happen from time to time over the past few years, that yes, this is far worse!

James,
Your dad is the exception who should be helped. But, there are ways to help people like him without making everyone’s healthcare controlled by the government. That should be their focus. Lowering healthcare costs created by lawsuits and waste must first be tackled. Obamacare does not fix the underlying problems

Obama and Congress are too stupid to look at the awful state of healthcare in countries like Canada and Britain. I have had personal experience with dealing with patients from these countries and have first-hand experience with the poor care they received for Obstetric care resulting in serious complications to the baby because of their so-called healthcare. I worked in a Government run clinic (Medicaid) in Detroit, MI as a resident
where they scheduled 150 OB patients at 8:00 a.m. and they damn-well sat there until they got seen by Residents and Medical Students. This was the most poorly run system I have ever worked in. Obamacare will increase this chaos by 200%. We have the best care in the world –why do all the “rich” of other countries etc come here for healthcare. The government runs everything poorly what makes you think they can run a complex and very critical system like healthcare?! I have not had a single patient in my office who wants Obamacare–they are all against it! Obama ought to talk to those of us providing the healthcare. Our friends who lived in Canada for 6 years have a million horror stories about care in Canada. Ex: The man who went to the ER 4 times with chest pain and died on the way home without getting the care he should have. They told me that you better hope you don’t get sick in January or February because you won’t find a doctor or hospital avaiable. They spent 3-4 hours in the waiting room of an M.D. and paid $200/each to be “interviewed” to see if he would take them as patients. And what about the patient in Oregon who was told by the “computer” that the State Run Insurance would not pay for treatment for her cancer but they would pay for her ASSISTED SUICIDE. Even considering Obamacare is INSANE! I agree that there needs to be insurance reform and improvement in coverage for uninsured people but one of the best ways to do this is to REFUSE CARE to ILLEGALS WHO PUT A MAJOR DRAIN ON THE SYSTEM. Send them back where they belong don’t encourage them to come here by providing anything to them. (I have seen this first hand also–patient who came here illegally through California and then went to Indiana and then ran away from her husband because he was abusive and came to Wisconsin because she is pregnant with TWINS and then came into our hospital with increased nausea/vomiting and low potassium levels. She was then admitted to the hospital for several days eating free food and getting free care and increasing the cost to the hospital and to you and I. She even flaunted the fact that she was ILLEGAL. And I can’t even report her to INS and have her deported back to where she belongs. Instead she is given a temporary Medicaid card because she is pregnant!! Give me a break. Send them back!!.

another thing.
Someone here says passing the health care reform will replace 1/5 of economy.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
If anything, the bill goes out of it’s way to protect the health insurance mafia by including a “firewall” provision so you can’t automatically go into a public plan if you already have insurance (like through work).
It forces people without insurance now to basically buy insurance from the health insurance companies (which according to republican “we like” because it’s more expensive and therefore “must be best”)
The fact that all of America becomes a customer base (300,000,000 people) is good for Aetna because they get more customers (more money), but it also give thems incentive to lower their monthly premium.
So my dad’s $900/month estimate becomes $300/month eventually (Actually at his wage he’d probably qualify for Medicaid under the reform plan).
People making between $17,000 /year and $70,000 would get a discount from the government to buy insurance from the private market (scaled depending on the wage).
People above usually have insurance through work because at that wage they are engineers, business men, architects, etc. If they don’t (like self-employed) can sit in the sideline for the first few years as prices go down enough for them to buy in.
Prices will keep going down as more and more people buy insurance.
Those who don’t will get taxed, and that helps pay for the people like my dad who work but still don’t make enough money to buy insurance, or to pay full price for it.
This is basically a more free market proposal than Clinton plan was, it’s like the Swiss public/private system.
Everyone said it was Socialism and would fail, but it works, that is a tiny country. Imagine the economies of scale that can be achieved with 300,000,000 participants.
Best part: You keep you’re doctor since they are not getting rid of the private market.
Public-option will be handcuffed by ruless so that it can’t really compete with private insurance.
And in any case, the public option will only insure people who are too poor to be their customers anyway.
I really hope this thing passes. At least the ending of “pre-existing conditions” will help.
People are so afraid of a government bereaucrat denying their care….but they are too dumb to realize that right now we have insurance beuraucrats deny care due to pre-exisiting conditions and missing certificate of coverage.
THey are afraid of rationed care in AMerican, but right now, the prohibitive cose of seeing a doctor as acting as a rationer.
The fact that a 5 minute visit to your doctor costs 200 bucks is rationing you.
The fact that an appendicitis will cost you 10,000 without insurance will ration you.
The fact that you might have high cholesterol but avoid going to the doctor..eventually ending up at the ER 10 years later is rationing you.

I have a personal friend who lives in Vancouver BC – she found herself to be pregnant though home pregnancy tests. The earliest appointment she could get to see a medical professional (note I did not say DOCTOR) was 10 months in the future – she was already four months pregnant. Ain’t free health care great?!?

This is an ABC Blog, ABC IS definitely not a right wing organization/news station…yet Virtually every post here is against Obama and the halfassed plan the Democrats are trying to shove through without even reading it.
Maybe one person in ten likes it…the one person in ten that we/the government will be paying the insurance for…free insurance for them…yippie!

Obama and the red and blue pill. Reminds me of the Matrix!!!!
“We’ll see how are the rabbit hole goes”

Obama actually called in the head of the CBO to ball him out for telling the truth about the cost of his H/C plans. Obama is on course to totally ruin America for the NWO, but the people are finally catching on, and he doesn’t like it! Notice B.O. is getting madder in his speeches as his poll numbers continue to plummet.
Just faggetabottit Oblama and Pelousy, we ain’t buying the marxist crap you’re sellin’ !

Pelosi is a well known liar.

“This isn’t about me. I have great health insurance and so does every member of Congress,” -Obama
When Congress and President get rid of their self mandated health care coverage and sign up for the government plan they want us to have, then I’ll feel more comfortable about it.

James, you’re just plain wrong. Nuff-said. Obama and troops want the government to be — sooner than later — the neighborhood “bully” regarding health care. Further, they want to do it at the expense of taxpayers and even their own proposal has built-in provisions that prevent an underwriter from insuring anyone who has left private insurance…in other words, the hapless individual who opts out of private insurance will NEVER be able to rectify the mistake.

This whole demonizing Canada thing is getting out of hand. The US is 37th in the world for healthcare and falling for a good reason.
I saw that commercial about the woman with Cancer who came to the US for treatment because it was “taking too long in Canada”
What they don’t tell you is:
1) Most Canadians like their insurance
2) After explaining to them what the US system is like..they LOVE THEIR SYSTEM
3) If you want faster care, you can buy private supplemental insurance in Canada for dirt cheap (since the government foots most of the bill) so she can be seen immediately.
4) She doesn’t say that she had Cash on reserve to pay for her care in the US (which most people do not, especially for Cancer treatment).
5) She doesn’t reveal how much the lobbyists paid her to say that (i’m guessing like 50,000 bucks)
6) She doesn’t reveal the nature or extent of what exactly her illness involved (providing faulty testimony).
This whole socialized medicine crap just doesn’t fly, and any person with half a brain cell will tell you the Republican Teddy Roosevelt actually proposed this sort of system in American back in 1901
Plus, I can guarantee all the people follwoing the FOX NEWS script will lose their insurace at work by 2015 because the premiums will get SO HIGH, THEY WILL DROP YOUR COVERAGE anyways.
By then it’ll be very late for reform, but it’ll have a mandate because people will finally realize that regular Americans making $20,000-$50,000 a year
should be taking advice from news men who make like $20,000,000 on FOXS NEWS.

Got news for you Jeff….Congress’ health IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH PLAN, and you’re paying for it with your tax dollars already.
Look it up, it’s called the FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM
Congress’ plan is a government run plan, and THEY LOVE IT (by the way, so do MAILMEN, BEURAUCRATS, anyone who works for governments).
All the presidents wants to do is give you the same sort of option they have, which is participate a big pool of customers for health insurance, so the rate goes down, and you can afford it even if you LOSE YOUR JOB.
Imagine that, your tax dollars are no longer going toward ILLEGAL ALIENS, THE LAZY, THE UNEMPLOYED…it goes towards….YOU!!!!

Lets cut through the crap on healthcare.
The countries that have healthcare like Canada and Britain have taxation rates around 60% of one’s income. In the US it’s around 35-40%. All that will happen is the industry will be overburdened without enough expenses. This will continue and so will increased taxation.
I’m not happy about how much my health insurance costs, but I know that if I am hurt or my child is in immediate danger they will be seen within minutes of coming in the door, or even flown in with a helicopter if it’s serious.
I don’t think we will see that level of care with socialized medicine. Plus, this nation will become more dependent upon a government which always fails it’s people as the special interests always win out. This is not what we want in America. The pricetag will just escalate and the whole thing being more affordable is a joke.
Seriously, why would you listen to the government? They were wrong on the economy. They were wrong about Iraq. They were wrong about the bailouts working.
One needs to realize that more government always means less freedom and less prosperity. Government will take and take until there is nothing left but a society full of dependents who rely on the government printing money for social welfare programs.
There won’t be an incentive to work or start a business.

To all the Obama worshipers: The Democrats hold a sufficient majority in the House and the Senate and can pass ANYTHING that the Dems agree on REGARDLESS of Republican objections. Pelosi’s attempt to hijack the entire healthcare industry is being stopped because some wise DEMOCRATS aren’t willing to destroy this country with this oppressive GARBAGE. Get some objectivity.

I will never listen tp Pelosi. She is selling out her own country. She has more loyaly to AIPAC than she does to America.
FACT.
- Stand up. Do not fear!
American Patriot

The Blue Dogs and other moderate Democrats are motivated by one thing – survival. The 2010 elections are just around the corner and these people have no idea how angry the public is. The Blue Dogs see the SS Obama good ship Hope sinking beneath the waves like teh Titanic.
The economy has collapsed because anyone with two nickels and an IQ above room temperature knows Hussein is a dangerous Islamo-Marxist clown who will drag the country down. Spending stopped as soon as people realized he was going to win the ACORN/Saudi financed election.
The Kenyan-born Hussein knows his economics as well as his old man who ran Kenya’s economy further into the ground.
Most Americans do not want to become the next Zimbabwe. Reality is starting to sink in.

We had our night of drunken revelry, We won! We won! We won! Now it is the morning after and the bleary eyed liberal saps are waking up to find they have married the village idiot, and he ain’t looking so good.
On the nightstand is our empty wallet. The house is a mess and a lot of stuff seems to be missing. The phone rings, it is our bank manager, someone has mortgaged our home for the next 50 years and our credit cards are maxed out. Looking outside we see the repo man leaving with our car. When we call our business a stranger informs us that all our interests have been sold to China for Monopoly money. Not only are we not the owner any more but a guy from the DMV is running things.
This news makes us violently ill, no car so we have to walk the 23 blocks to the hospital. After waiting in line for over 2 hours we are admitted to the waiting room. We recognize the administrator, he used to work a desk at the DMV. Another 3 hour wait and then we are informed that the union doctor is not expected back until next week and that until then we need to fill out forms, and of course, pay the waiting room tax.
We contact some old friends and are greeted with explicit language telling us how our new spouse has been very busy insulting them, we get no help there. The dog doesn’t even want to associate with us. Then our new spouse shows up with some gang members from across town, it seems they will be living with us and be our new best friends.
Bad dream? You ain’t seen nothing yet!

Whoever mentioned the Matrix: I want to take the Red pill!!

She’s a demonstrable liar. Or is that pathologic? Either way, she wouldn’t know the truth if it bit her.
The other aspect to this involves a cross between the reality distortion field that exists inside the beltway, and the uncanny ability of the Congress to deny basic logic.
A room full of monkeys could craft a better bill. Lord, help us!

Obama is a socialist. Period.
I hope that his socialist economic agenda and ultra-liberal social agenda is seen for what it truly is — COMPLETELY out-of-touch with normal Americans.
Obama represents Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco liberalism and socialism FAR MORE than the rest of us.

(To the tune of Oscar Meye bologna commercial — fitting, since the liberals are full of bologna)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…
Socialism has a first name:
N-A-N-C-Y
Liberalism has a second name:
It’s O-B-A-M-A
Democrats love to conceal it everyday…
…but if you ask me, well, I’ll say:
Nancy, Harry and Barack have a way…
…of messin’ up the U.S.A.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I sleep better now at night now that I came to the conclusion that Liberals are children. They know not what they do. They claim that everything in life is “unfair”. They scream loudly but refuse to listen. They see wisdom as something afflicting old people. They are selfish. They lie. They can’t comprehend honor nor duty. They stuggle in solving problems and look to others to solve them for them without appreciation. Again, they are children. Sleep well.

Barack Obama suffers from narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), if not full-blown megalomania. He claims that this is “not about” him, yet he must have a bill instantly although it won’t take effect until sometime in 2013. So what’s the rush about?
The rush, my friends, is ALL about him and “his presidency”, which he complained the Blue Dog Democrats are ruining. He knows that if he doesn’t jam something down our throats while he still has a Democrat majority, he’s going to lose most of that majority starting in 2010, and he’s nothing but a lame duck.
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Dodd and the rest of them…they’ve completely lost it. As the New York Times (the Times!) said…they’re on a suicide death march and I shall personally come to sing songs of rejoicing at the funeral.

If the federal government wants me to have faith in their ability to run a huge program (and a huge source of money they can get their greedy hands on) then they can darn well start with fixing the absolute MESS that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Veterans Hospitals are. Maybe, just MAYBE I MIGHT be persuaded to actually give it more than 5 seconds of consideration. But I won’t be holding my breath while waiting for these things to happen.

BARACK OBAMA OBVIOUSLY RODE THE SHORT BUS TO MADRASSA.
“I happen to think my idea is best”
…”Mr. President, page 16 of the healthcare bill makes it illegal to buy or sell new plans…”
“I am not familiar with what you are referring to.”

I would personally like to thank the lamestream media for doing everything they could to promote this President during the primaries. Thanks for nothing. Now go back to working on covering Sarah Palin and the republicans, it seems that’s all you know how to do. What a tragedy, you should all be embarrassed.

This bill is a disaster. Wake up America!

owlgore… what did you expect… they (Ds&Rs) knew about Ron Paul’s grassroots momentum… both parties knew they had to (between them) market a candidate based on change to keep us in the 2-party-scam.
So the mainstream media, as always in the pocket of the banksters and mil. ind. complex… acted promptly to marginalize Dr. Paul (such as in the televisted debates) and anyone else representing real change and instead… sprewed Obama=Change at us ad-nauseum.
Despite the fact he’s related to Cheney (admittedly via a convulted family tree and) and despite the fact Michelle Obama was a director of the Chicago branch of the CFR (think banksters, mainstream media, military contractors, pharmaceuticals, automobile production and government officials, etc. in regular closed-door meetings).. we the people somehow managed to get ourselves swindled again.
I’m thinking the only way for America to proceed… is to make damn sure the D and R votes become non-existent… but to do that… requires action and planning NOW… because doing so in 2011 is going to be WAY TOO LATE.
A 3rd party and the momentum behind it needs to start immediately, needs to be rapidly gaining popularity by 2010, seen as a serious contender in 2011 and needs to be solidifying loyalty and support and consolidating anyone that gets caught up in the media hype come 2012, which is when the most effort will be made to marginalize it whilst trying to convince us to vote for the D and R corporatist proxies that are owned by the banksters, et al.

Many liberals listen to new age channelers & their channeling spirits. Their pro-socialism channeling spirits say we are in for a rough ride for a while but then all will be fine in the near future…in fact, according to them, we will be entering a golden age, a near utopia, where we all become one, a collective community (minus those nasty Christians and conservatives–many of them who will just disappear–a rapture deception?). Obama is friends with many in the new age channeling scene…Oprah, Marianne Williamson, Dennis Kucinich, Arianna Huffington, Hollywood elites, etc.

Jeff in Sherwood @ 4:21 a.m.,
Great post, but nobody wants to hear about the contributions R&D companies make to our collective health. They only want to limit their profits which will put a quick end to a lot of R&D. In order to have a meaningful hc policy everyone involved must give up something.

What Obama doesn’t want you to know about Obamacare(what is in the Obamacare bill part 1):
-Foremost, YOU WILL BE AT THE MERCY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DURING YOUR MOST VULNERABLE AND DIRE HEALTHCARE CRISES.
-Congress and Obamacrats are EXEMPT from participating in Obamacare. Obama admitted in last night’s presser that he would rather stay with his insurance and not the bogus plan he is shoving down your throat. You will be FORCED to have it. If you don’t enroll and pay for it, the government will garnish your wages(or place a lien on your personal property) and then levy a surtax on you.
-What is the rush? Why can’t they begin with tort and insurance reforms, as well eliminate government waste/inefficiencies from Medicare/Medicaid? Why aren’t they limiting lawyers’ settlement fees which are the main reasons for the increased healthcare costs and high malpractice insurance rates that have made healthcare so expensive and prohibitive? Congress should do that before destroying our healthcare system with Obamacare. They won’t- both members of Congress and Obama are all greedy lawyers. Doesn’t it make more sense to fix these problems which will continue to fester even if they pass Obamacare?
-Government pinheads will make decisions on the kind of healthcare you will receive. This will include rationing of healthcare; that is, if you are elderly, don’t expect the government to pay for a hip replacement that is now available to you under Medicare. The elderly are expendable with Obamacare.
-Obamacare destroys the best healthcare in the world in order to service a small percentage of the US population who doesn’t have health insurance(illegals).
-ALL illegals will get FREE Obamacare.
-The federal government is already running two health insurance programs- Medicare and the VA, which currently have problems. If the government can’t even run Medicare/VA(programs for the disabled, elderly, and veterans), how can they run the entire US healthcare system? Besides, the federal government has never run any agency with efficiency. Obamacare will continue the inefficiency trend.
-You will lose your rights to medical privacy and medical autonomy for making healthcare decisions for yourself and your family’s needs.
-Your private insurance will eventually be lost with Obamacare.

Pelosi is a habitual liar, and she says those things with a straight face!!!

I was fortunate/unfortunate to come face to face with government provided service for basic necessities this week. I had to deal with the Jefferson County DMV in Birmingham.
The doors opened at 8:00 am, so I arrived at 7:15 am so that I was not number 45 in line, which was the length outside the building at 8:00 am.
I dealt with a lady that was not the least bit interested in accomplishing anything efficiently (three trips into her supervisor’s office to check on a policy that I had called their department about twice the day before. Each time she plopped herself down in front of her supervisor’s desk and carried on some small talk (glass office window so I could watch the whole procedure – Of course, I was standing at the counter waiting).
Finally, after getting nowhere I asked to speak with the supervisor, who also did not know their requirements for the task at hand. When confronted with me being on the cell phone at that moment with the main office at the courthouse, I was told that they didn’t know anything, and promptly told to move away from the window.
I made the trip immediately downtown, stood in that line until a clerk came free and easily presented my documents and told they were in order.
Today they called and said there was a mix up in the paperwork (having nothing to do with the original conflict), and I will have to go back to stand in line again.
I looked at the Disney World type of zig zag line holding area, and it occurred to me that this is what health care will look like if this horrible bill puts us in the clutches of government bureaucracy.
Call, do not e-mail, Call your Congressman and Senators and insist that they defeat this bill – even if the House and Senate concede certain points to give in to the resistors. Please don’t make me stand in that kind of line when I get a disease.

pelosi and her anti-consitutional cronies in congress, including IRKLE, are all liars, cheats and realize that more and more americans are leaving the commie-crat party and need this healthcare legislation to secure votes and ensure contributions….no, pelosi you are the freakin’ loser, JERK!

here’s the new name of the your insurance – COMMIE-CRAP INSURANCE…”stand in line, we’ll tell when you’re sick”

Welcome to Obama-care, where every day is going to be like a rectal exam, so bend over.
Once we have socialized health care, we won’t be going back. No matter who is elected and when, we’ll be stuck with worse care than before, unless of course you can afford to buy supplimental insurance. That will be the only way to survive.

Obama said last night that the doctor while treating your child for a sore throat might opt to just take the tonsils out because it paid more in fees
BUT it’s okay for him to ram his idea of
medical care without knowing/caring
what it will do to the current care BECAUSE it “could destroy his presidency. So to let him look good, the kid who has chronic sore throats, will have to learn to live with it and continue to take meds that could over time cause other problems. After 8 years of chronic sore throat ,at age 37 , i finaly had my tonsils out, that was 28 yrs ago, guess what NO MORE SORE THROAT

If the American people are smart, they’ll make sure Pelosi doesn’t have the votes by contacting their reps and senators.
obama says that if the fraud and waste are cleaned up in the Medicare/Medicaid programs, that money will pay for his government controlled health care program?
Who administers the Medicaid/Medicare program? Isn’t it the government? Isn’t he admitting that we have a perfect example of a government run health program that is full of fraud and waste?
And he thinks his government takeover of the health care of millions of Americans will be without waste and fraud? Just to house all of the government guys to run the new program is going to cost us gazillions for new government buildings.
And what about government run Veterans Hospitals? Are they the shining example of a perfect government run program?
What needs to happen is for government to get out of the way of the people of this country. obama is destroying our country and is bad for business.
How are the stimulus, TARP, recovery programs working for us? – obama’s ideas that he developed since he took office.
The Community Organizer needs to get out of the business of trying to organize the nation. He talked about rebuilding last night, but then smoothly and sneakily slipped in the “REFORM” word. We do not want to become a socialist/marxist nation.

Mike Ross – what a loser. Pelosi is assuming she has the votes because she knows beyond any doubt that Ross and his fellow worthless “Blue Dogs” will fold up like cheap onion paper when the moment comes to cast votes.
If Mike Ross and his fellow Blue Dogs want to be taken seriously in the future, this is their moment. The only way the Blue Dogs can ever become a coalition to be respected is to vote as a bloc against the Speaker on an important issue. They have never done this in their entire existence as a fake coalition.
Now’s your chance, Mike. I will believe you are serious when you cast your vote against the Speaker. I’m not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

Where is the free market? The insurance industry corrupts the free market. It allows doctors to charge higher prices. If doctors could charge only what people could afford to pay they’d charge a lot less. Insurance companies bring nothing to the party except higher prices. Insurance companies enable higher prices, and deny care, even with higher prices!

If you are worried about free healthcare just become illegal in this country. Ca just checkout the emergency rooms in any hospital in your area. And make no mistake this bill currently covers illegal’s. Ca could get their budget under control if first it would secure its borders and then go after the people that hire them. E-Verify works and should be used for anyone in this country.
These facts have everything to do with healthcare it is one of the reason we are currently in the state we are at present. Has the fence been completed yet?
If anyone is concern with the borders and we all know is has been a grave risk to people in the border states for the last fifty years. Take the military in Iraq and put them on the borders. I would say the problem would be over in a matter of weeks. Because our military know the price of freedom and laws of this great land.
Respectfully,
jbh

You mean to tell me Nancy Pelosi is lying about having the votes to pass the Health Care Legislation?
I’m shocked!
Maybe she caught this lying disease from her association with the CIA. Or, maybe they caught it from her! One way or the other, there’s a lot of lying bacteria floating around the Capital. And Pelosi seems to be the most infected woman in the area.

I am a conservative, and after watching last night’s press conference I’m all for Obamacare! Its great: Gov’t run(cause they better than us at deciding things), Free health care for everyone, everything is covered, better than any health care than we have now, no one can be turned down for anything, and won’t cost us anything(sorry 1% top earners!) Who says there’s no such thing as a free lunch!(for all you libs out there this is what you call sarcasm) I’m surprised he didn’t promise all us guys that all nurses would look like playboy models. BTW according to his diatribe 144K people lose their insurance everyday. That would mean 5 million people a year! Where does he get these numbers from?

The govt controls costs of 4 major medical programs already-CHIP, Medicare, Military and Federal employees. All are fraught with fraud, inefficient and helping to destroy the economy. Prove you can handle those first. CHIP-s/b newborn to age 18-citizens or children of citizens only-no more additions, can’t afford children, don’t get pregnant. Allow $2500 per child enrolled per year of medical expenses. Military-active duty should be provided free. Everyone else have a personal policy-including government employees and all Medicare recipients, remove all state boundaries, let people negotiate with ins carriers on their own. All plans should be posted on the internet. Let people reduce their taxable income by up to $5,000/year for each family member insured and let them pick and choose the coverage they want. No networks, no managed care, one plan per insurance carrier. Would allow elimination of Medicare and gradual phaseout of CHIP on a federal level.

Tapper is a oddity: a legitimate, unbiased reporter for ABC News.

What right does the government have, under the constraints of the Constitution to do this? It’s illegal for the government to institute this!!! We declared our independence from tyranny back in 1776 for less than what the government is doing to us now! Vote every last violator of the Constitution out of office!

Newegg- the government is NOT the troops overseas. I spent 16 months in Baghdad, thank you very much! Nobody over there is a corrupt Congressman! Don’t you dare degrade the fine men and women in uniform by saying such a horrible thing! The troops serve the Constitution, and by doing so, the people. When the government gets involved in running the military, things stop working right. I’ve seen countless examples throughout history of how the government fracks up military ops that should be run by the military- not some greedy wind-bag politician.
Keep the “change.”

This time around I thought the democrats were not going to be the party of tax and spend… that was going to be the “change”. Instead, they are going to be the party of Spend then tax. this is so sad, and wrong. Balance the budget and drop this universal health stuff! Tell me again why we should pay for 20 million illegals to get free medical benefits?

NewEgg,
Its not a question of patriotism. Its a question of what should the government be in charge of running. This is just another power grab by the Obama administration to turn this country to socialism, plain and simple. All of the programs and packages he and Nancy and Harry have rolled have failed. They are idiots. America has woken up and you will be shocked come 2010!

The Obamason flame out continues. ya gotta love it folks, the more his numbers sing the more desperate and outragious are the claims the libs make.

Egg, do you really think that of all people, politicians aren’t motivated by self-interest? By what magic are politicians immune from this?
You know, it’s funny how you compartmentalize greed.

We need real reform in DC. They need to bring in all the experts… not just the experts working for the big corporations. This debate should be public. Ramming a bill down the throat of the American people that they don’t have enough time to examine is just absurd. I am ashamed of you President Obama. You talk the talk, but your parties leadership actions are another thing. Shame on you.

I don’t know about the USA study of Massachusetts, I am a resident and so far I have not incurred a long wait time for medical services. I had at one time Commonwealth Care in which I paid no monthly premium but paid a co pay for appointments and Rx’s. My income later increased to my having to pay a monthly premium based on my income. If I am sick I can call my clinic and go to urgent care where I will be seen by medical professionals almost within hours of my call. So, maybe the people that were surveyed are the ones that are so against this national coverage for all and just want to complain.

I have FREE health care for LIFE via the VA and old GI Bill. I went to the VA ONCE in my life and after sitting there for 5 hours I got up, got out and have never ever returned for my FREE services again.
Thanks for NOTHING!

Remember the same party what refuses to allow off shore oil exploration and any new nuclear power production facilities; and uses limitation of CO2 production as the excuse.
Nancy Pelosi how do you answer that one?

I cannot understand how the liberal left still cannot see the light and are holding onto their cool aid cups. Who has read this Health Reform bill with wisdom and analytical ability with future economic foresight ? Maybe, some GOP’s and the Blue Dogs. Others just want their dream. The problem with this view is that everyone’s dream is different. One poster complained about waiting 5 hours at a hospital. Hello, welcome to the club. I don’t see that as a problem, Under socialized medicine your wait may be months or never because most all of these systems ration health care to the healthy while the ill child and elderly parent gets pushed by the wayside. Folks there is NO FREE LUNCH. What we have may not be perfect but it is far better than most.

obamacare,cap and trade,hate crime legislation are designed to control every part of an american’s life. socialism= distribution of the country’s
wealth. “CHANGE TO BELIEVE IN” i think not!

Why is it that our President seems more like Billy Mayes on an infomerical pushing something not noone belives….Free Health Care for all. Whats next? Free energy for all, no wait, they want to tax our farts next.
Liberalism = Lowest common denominator for all

If they pass this Bill and the Cap and Tax Bill we are going to have a Revolution on our hands. I don’t think the majority of Americans are going to stand by anymore. We can start with
” Obama Lied, Freedom Died”

Waterloo! America=1 v Obama=0

Mark in St. Louis:
The comment that you made is great!
Obama has said that sometimes it’s better to forgo an expensive surgery when you can just take a painkiller. Would he say that to Teddy Kennedy?? Would Ted Kennedy be told by government planners to forgo an expensive surgery to extend his life for a short time? Would your average everyday 77 year old citizen be afforded EVERY last treatment option that Ted Kennedy has?”
Aren’t you aware of the fact that some animals are more equal than others.

More and more I regret voting for Obama (not that McCain would have been a shred better mind you). This “healthcare” bill is a sham. It’s a way to make us further reliant on big government. There are not 49 million people with out health insurance. In fact the real number is roughly 20% of that figure.
I hate that I’m even using anything related to FOX as a source but the studies they mention are done by the CBO and Healthcare providers like Blue Cross and Blue Shield so I can live with it.
It’s time to wake up everyone. Next election cycle vote out ALL incumbents regardless of party affiliation. The clowns in Washington treat our “democratic” society like they’re the hand of god. It’s time to show them that they aren’t. Vote out all incumbents and vote for as many 3rd party candidates as possible.

The truth is that everything of value is rationed. In the USA we ration food, clothing, education, energy, and everything we need and desire by PRICE.
Now we are told this model is obsolete and that Karl Marx actually had it right: “to each according to what the government thinks they need and from each according to what the government thinks should belong to them.
To my friends of the leftist persuasuion: just which needs and wants should follow the Marxist model and which needs and wants should follow the model of freedom.
Next, what is essentially wrong with the slavery model, provided that the master takes care of their people’s needs as their masters see them?

You sheeple just don’t get it. Why doesn’t Obama know what is in the bill? Because the details don’t matter as long as we are forced to go through the Federal Government to get our health care. It is about absolute control over our lives not about the ’50 million’ uninsured. It is about solidifying a straggle hold on political power. In every past election, the Democrats would scare the seniors by saying the evil Republicans are going to take away your Social Security. Now they can do that to everyone by saying the evil right is going to take away your health care. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late. Fight this absolute erosion of your freedom. Call and write your reps.

If those in government think the Obama health plan is so good then they should be required by law to live with the same program as their constituants.

Well, ‘Nanny’ Pelosi said she did have the votes, and if she says something as fact, I believe it!

Pelosi makes things that crawl under rocks appealing! This slimy criminal will get her just desserts as will the rest of the Grifters gang of crooks!

Republicans march in lock step? I dont think so. The Democrats have been voting as a block since the took over in 2006 and look whats happened and is getting worse. The Congress and the President are bankrupting the country, just as the Russians said – - we will fall from within. Socialism is just a small step short of Communism. Big Brother is now in power.

These Dems are showing their amateurism. BHO is a community organizer (whatever that is) who is in over his head and Nancy is an airhead. Is that with this country deserves? Maybe so, as affirmed by the presence of the unfunny Al Franken int he once-august halls of the senate.

Hay Hussein, nice job trying to tell yet another group of professionals (this time, arguably the highest educated group out there–MD’s) how to do their job. So you got briefed by a biased cabinet member regarding tonsillectomies–something that cannot in ANY way represent all areas of medicine or all doctors–and now you want to act off of it. For as well-spoken as you are, you’re about as sharp as a bowling-ball. God bless all the other reasonable people who have commented here. It gives me hope.

Please contact your Senator and Representative and respectfully demand that they be a part of any Health Care Bill that is forced upon the American people.
Keep the heat on them, and ask everyone you know to do the same.

Everyone who voted for this man, Obama, was warned. You decided to ignore all the blatant red flags that were presented to you anyway. Are you happy now? Have you woken up yet to what this man is all about yet? Answer: Complete control and reliance on the Federal government (in case you haven’t). This is as clear a case of “be careful what you wish for” as I’ve seen in my lifetime. I only HOPE that the all the damage he does in his first (and only) term is repairable. Thanks Libs! Great job.

BO is doing exactly as he promised during the campaign. People voted for him anyway. I think that the people who voted for him and his “spread the wealth” platform should be the only people required to get G-health. They wanted it, they should have it….and think more carefully next time they cast a vote for the POTUS.

I’ve not seen anything about government health care we don’t already have now.
Not being able to choose your doctor? That already happened to me a few years ago when my employer changed insurance companies to one my old doctor didn’t have a contract with.
Waiting times? Try making an appointment for a procedure or even just a routine appointment with a doctor or specialist you haven’t seen before. Six months isn’t unusual. Heck, even my kids’ dentist didn’t have the time to fill my daughter’s cavity at her last cleaning and the soonest they could get her scheduled to come in and get if filled was three months later.
Rationing health care? Got that too, insurance companies deny requests for coverage all the time.
If you want me to be against government health care then you’ve got to make the case that what we have now is working, because for a lot of people it’s not.

As someone formerly from the health insurance, managed care, and wellness industry, I dont think Obama and his White House speech writers and strategists really understand (1) health care economics, (2) the softness in the effectiveness of wellness/prevention programs, (3) the full corruption and ineffectiveness of government health programs, and (4) the drive for more effeciency in a competitive, for profit health care and health insurance industry.
When I got involved with lobbying in regards to health care policy in my state, I found that most legislators could be framed in the following way: “Talk to me. Tell me what you think. I’m in desparate need of an opinion or point of view on health care economics and policy.” Most Congressmen are this way since the industry is so sweeping, except for the few committee chairpersons who have lived in government ALL of the adult lives.
As a result, Obama is being lead by the nose Kennedy, Dodd, Waxman, and Pelosi, who have 150 years of very liberal thinking on government controlled health care hearings and have plenty of lobbying support.
Did it look like everyone that was to be called on was sitting in the front row. I think Obama reherses for about 20 possible lines of questions, and 20 five minute sermonettes. When he gets his 10-11 softball questions, he tries to “run out the clock”, Dumb forum to sell his ideas on such a complex subject.
Watch out when he moves his lips.

Iit seems to me that the Congressional dining room was run by the congress. They couldn’t keep that running. What makes thsem think they can run Health care? what a Joke! If Pelosi and her gang of con artists and crooks get control, we will be another socialist country. And as elitists, (being the ones who are ALWAYS RIGHT) they will continue to lead
us where the want us and that is SOCIALISM

Michele Obama was involved in Chicago in Heath care where they were dumping patients for profit. Do we really want these same people telling us what we need??????
This is now another scandal the liberal Media will be hiding.

I do not want to pay a fine. This is illegal isn’t it? To force Americans to do things againstt heir will? I do not pay for health care nor have been sick in a long time, I am vegan.

Some people just seem to love government (especially the Federal Government) and trust it implicitly — even with their health. All I have to do is think about a trip to my local DMV or the negative experiences I’ve had trying to contact anyone in government with a question or assistance with something and that does it for me. Sorry, but government workers with their considerable salaries and lifetime benefits as well as creating a new, massive bureaucratic juggernaut are not the answer to our healthcare problems.

Massachusetts has implemented government run healthcare….and now they are trillions of dollars in debt and their citizens have terrible health coverage. People better wake up- government should NOT run healthcare!!!

Just think how all of this is going to tie into total Government control of all aspects of our lifes. Consider this scenario, your son or daughter, say 12 yrs old gets hurt, breaks an arm. You fight through the red tape to get the medical attention he/she needs. You finally get done, arm healed and bill paid. You get a letter from Child Protective Services wanting to meet with you in your home. The letter states that if you can’t meet at the appointed time call. You call several times and leave messages. No return calls. You take off work in the middle of the week to have this meeting. A CPS rep shows up at your front door with YOUR FILE in hand. Some stranger begins to ask you all kinds of questions, wants to meet alone with your child. You have concerns and resist. The Government Rep informs you that you can not refuse to cooperate and if you do you could face penalties. The rep tells you that as long as the Government pays your bills the have a stake in your affairs. After the meeting the Government Rep insist that you attend a special Government ran Parenting Course to help you be a better parent. She informs you that you could be fined because your child was hurt on an ATV and by that you have cause unnecessary medical expenses to the system. You are outraged that some stranger has so much authority over your life. It is to late because we have allowed this. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! DEMAND LESS GOVERNMENT ACROSS THE BOARD!!! Have a nice day!!!

Is everybody so afraid of Nancy pelosi that they do not have the guts to do what is right? I am tired of Obama making statements that the people are for it when it is so clear that the PEOPLE are not for it. I am tired of Obama stating that the nurses are for it when 4 out or 4 nurses that I know are completely against it. Just because the words come out of Obama and Pelosi’s mouth does not make it true. Is it so hard to see that Obama and Pelosi will say anything that will support their position, even if its made up.

The Dems are working feverishly to ram this abomination through, despite reasonable objections. They are rushing this through because they know that they don;t have a lot of time left. They know full well that they won’t retain control over Congress after the failure of their pork laden stimulus package becomes fully apparent in time for the mid term elections. The American people expect results, they have no patience for costly failures, and everything the dems have done has been unqualified in failure. They have both houses of Congress and the White House, so they can’t blame Republicans or Bush. They are on their way out, so they have to try to do as much damage NOW as they can.

Thats the way the Obama Administration works, get it passed before people can figure out what it really is. People have started asking to many questions about his plan, and he does not like it. That is why he is pressuring congress to pass it, and pass it fast. The more people learn about it the less popular the idea is to them.

This is not about health care people. This is about control.
They are taking over car companies & banks and are now looking at the biggest industry in the country: health care. It is all a way to tax and control. Call it socialism or a welfare state or communism, it doesn’t matter because it is all the same thing. A complete takeover will not fly in this country so they are doing it through bills like this and taxes. It is all about control and power. Welcome to the “Change.”

If congress and obama were trying to thrust this crappy program on the unionized state and federal workers they would strike and walk out in their jobs.
Nobody here would blame them.
This Bill needs to die

Looks like some of our congress peeps have grown enought of a spine to see that this deal is very damaging to the country, the economy and people’s rapidly deteriorating trust in our government….don’t think the votes are there….Congress go on vacation for the rest of the year….

Nancy Pelosi lies all the time. Remember when she said she wasn’t briefed about waterboarding. Who can believe anything she says!

I truly hope the people who were fooled into voting for Obama have learned something here.
Your mistake is costing this country trillions of dollars. You voted our children into deficit slavery. God help this country if you ever make a mistake like this again.
Hopefully we will survive these dangerous liberal fools until 2010 and vote them out.

Do you really believe that in 2010 the Dem’s are going to give up power without a fight? Obama has the well funded(with our U.S. tax dollars) Acorn & La Raza working behind the scenes to make sure they keep these radical liberals in power.

The current U.S. political scene kind of reminds me of watching a movie. This bazarre scenario we are watching play-out with the HealthCare Plan is a bitter disappointment if the Obama plan or even a shade of it becomes law. A common thread in the several comments being made here is the need for an “Awakening” by the American people. God remains in control and always will be. I pray that the movie’s ending re: the ultimate fate of the Obama Health Plan will awaken the American people to the truth and shortcomings that are directly in opposition to America’s founding principle of Government by the people and not dictated to the people.

The Obamanation that causes Desolation – Danial 12:11
IKW

Democrats think that all Americans have the “right” to force others pay for their health care. How far we have drifted from the spirit of this country. Obama is a communist… he wants the government to control everything.

These communists have to be voted out to remove BHO’s power base. this is getting ridiculous and out of hand.

Americans should call all of the “Blue Dog” Democrats and let them know most Americans are against this government take over of Helathcare! Call Congress & let them know you are against this reform.
Pelosi is a traitor to America! These extreme liberal politicians need to be voted out !!! Obama has lied from day one..this is no the “Change” Americans wanted. He tricked all who voted for him!

obama needs a wake up call from the American people! Write and call your senators! write and call your congressmen! Write and call the president! He makes it sound as if he sits daily in the oval office opening letters from “people like Cheryl in Idaho” who beg him to get things done now. yeah right! The campaign is over! Stop trying to distract us with your litany of personal glimpses into America oBAMa!!!

Obama is not running this country, Nancy Pelosi is running the country, and Obama is just a talking figure head.
Now we know why Congress has only a 16%
approval rating.
we need to bring government back to “We
the people and vote all Incumbents (both parties) out of office.

Please give me the names of the 4 congress persons fron TN that are Blue Dog Democrats. I want to encourage each not to support this Healthcare bill and then to thank them if it does not pass before Aug recess.

Please urge your representatives to ensure that Congress explicitly exclude abortion from the procedures covered by any government provided healthcare insurance!!
HR 3200 leaves it up to the pro-choice Obama administration to decide whether to include abortion in the procedures covered. By not defining “essential benefits”, it will result in federally mandated coverage of abortion on demand in virtually all of America’s health plans.
Are you against funding abortion, which stops the beating heart of an innocent unborn child? If so, please let your congressman and Senators know now!

There is one problem about forcing insurance companies to insure people with pre-existing conditions, and no one is talking about this. Scenario – why would someone purchase private insurance now when they can wait until they get sick – and THEN purchase insurance. Also, if you’re healthy and you have private insurance, why not cancel your coverage and then purchase it right after you’re diagnosed with cancer, heart disease, etc?

Pelosi’s big problem is that she never learns from experience. To much government intervention is like to much Botox, the outcome can be disastrous.

“Now we know why Congress has only a 16%
approval rating.”
RCP’s polls average has Congressional approval at 28%.

Every person employed by Federal, state and local governments should have the same health care provided to the person who recieves the basic plan as provided to the person taking orders at a MacDonald’s drive thru window. If they want more, they will pay more. This does not included service men and women or those injured during the execution of their duties i.e. police and firemen and women

I’m ploughing through Obama’s Health Care Plan looking for the part where it says Conservatives/Republicans and their ilk will not be allowed ANY insurance.
It could happen!

Just a few weeks ago, Obama openly pointed to the government
overseeing healthcare rationing for the elderly or infirm.
During his highly publicized healthcare forum on ABC TV,
Obama responded to a question from a woman who was concerned
whether her 105-year-old mother will have access to health
care. Obama at first insisted that she would but then said
the government needs to step in and make end-of-life health
care decisions for the terminally ill…
“At least we can let doctors know and your mom know
that, you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help.
Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery but
taking the pain killer.”
“Better off” with pain killers instead of a medical procedure?
That’s rationing plain and simple!

that has gotta suck for her

I love Medicare. My patients on Medicare are not being stripped of their assets and dignity just for needing medical care. If everybody was on Medicare, my admin costs would be so much less, less complexity.
The assertions above about rationing care are nonsense. What is not nonsense is the VAST waste in current medical care, hospitals labs and doctors billing and providing excessive services ‘cos they get paid more if they do. This is a fact of everyday medicine in the US. I know this because as a doctor who spent 10 years practicing Internal Medicine in a large US hospital I lived it every day. And when the patient’s insurance runs out the former patient now uninsured becomes a “clinic” patient for the teaching service (care paid by the US): suddenly that famous doctor-patient relationship spoken highly is no longer visible.The docs bail about as fast as they can.
US Health Care is where the US car industry was circa 1970: bloated, over paid, servicing itself better that it’s customers, impervious and blind to its deficiencies, arrogantly ignoring a huge % of the population and delivering a really shabby product for the money.
Pockets of excellence amid a disastrous factory floor. A complete revamp is needed to deliver Toyota quality care: better cars or care for far less money than we do presently.
Peter R.

It is so hard to believe that people in this country are so mesmerized by this president especially the media. It is terrifying to read what the HC reform bill actually contains! It instantly brings to mind Hitler and the Jews and the terror they must have felt. When will America “wake Up” and see this man for who he is-an egotistical maniac with his own agenda to destroy this great country.?

it is time for us to replace congress. there approval rating is 12% why are we not throwing them out and i mean all of them.they think they know what is best for us and do not listen to us anyway. lets get them out and cut there wages in half

talmag – the House version of the bill has been published: H.R. 3200

joe v – I’m overweight and I’m not using any healthcare. The last time I needed a doctor was 3 years ago when I broke my finger. (Which was misdiagnosed & by the time it was diagnosed, they couldn’t do anything to fix it – it is now crooked & hurts when it is damp out).

Pelosi/obama…should be on every 10 most wanted posters around the world. Evil.

God Bless the Blue Dog Dems.
Our Liberty ship is listing as we are searching for a port.
We just may not make it without your wise support
It seems our rudder’s broken: There’s trouble staying on the course.
With cap & tax and healthcare things
couldn’t be any worse.
We work; were seasoned sailors. We toil from dawn to dusk.
But our hard won gains are wasted by those we do not trust.
With precious cargo overboard, we’re leaning farther left.
Land is still far off; of direction we’re bereft.
Blue dog sisters and brothers, you are our only hope.
Be the captains of this ship, you know it’s every knot and rope.
Our prayer is to the heavens, we know it will be heard
God bless the Blue Dog Democrats and help them with their work.

We need to vote the blue dogs out of office. I cannot beleive that they would stoop to anything to stop this President. On November 4th – the American people answer the call by electing President Obama. I say – we must vote for health care now. If it mean to vote the blue dogs out of office in 2010.

Mrs Dee wake up and smell the roses

We need to give The Blue Dogs a Patriot Party for standing up for the American people.

It,s time to vote the BLUE dOG Democrats out of office. Where were they when president BUSH WAS IN OFFICE. If it had not been for Obama half of them would not have been relected. Nurse Cheryl.

Something to think about!
by Pam Geller
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes, these exist but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about 10 – 15 years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demanded and then codified into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people whom we knew could never pay back? Why? We learned recently that the Federal Reserve,which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has “loaned” two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms . That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700B we all argued about so strenuously just this past September.
Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of “We the People,” who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, Social Security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and know precisely what I am talking about.) The list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x 10. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same religion who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla , Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it.. Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more important.)
Mr. Obama’s winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change…radical change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning.
I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his “brown shirts” would bully them into submission.
And then he was duly elected to office, with a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world.
He did it with a compliant media – Did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and…change.. And the people surely got what they voted for. (Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.) Read your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
Don’t forget that Germany was the most educated, cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And in less than six years – a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency – it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong, close my eyes, have another latte and ignore what is transpiring around me.
Some people scoff at me; others laugh or think I am foolish, naive, or both. Perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe – and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. But, I do not think I am.
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About the author via Google…
Pamela “Atlas” Geller began her publishing career at The New York Daily News and subsequently took over operation of The New York Observer as Associate Publisher. She left The Observer after the birth of her fourth child, but remained involved in various projects including American Associates, Ben Gurion University and being Senior Vice-President Strategic Planning and Performance Evaluation at The Brandeis School.
After 9/11, Atlas had the veil of oblivion violently lifted from her consciousness and immersed herself in the education and understanding of geopolitics, Islam, terror, foreign affairs and imminent threats the mainstream media and the government wouldn’t cover or discuss.
Since many of you enjoy senior citizen status or will sometime in the not too distant future, I thought you might be interested in this information.
Most of you know by now that the Senate version of the “stimulus” bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle, was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement.
Bloomberg: “Daschle says health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.”
If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed the remainder of their lives and are not subject to this new law if it passes.
Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and nine months. We have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make our voices heard! Let’s do it!
If you disagree, don’t do anything

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Betty