POTUS on Health Care Reform: You’ll Save Money

“You’ll save money,”
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Please someone make him prove this.
Posted by: MayBee | Jul 15, 2009 1:59:24 PM
This falls under the same category as “if you inflate your tires, you’ll save just as much.”
“It’s a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and includes more than 160 Republican amendments – a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product,”
Wow! 50 whole hours in committee!
And I thought the Republicans said this morning that all their amendments were turned down? Doesn’t matter though. Obama has already indicated that he will accept a partisan passage. He and the Dumocrats wil REALLY own THAT one.

“This is a problem we can no longer wait to fix.”
Haven’t we heard this before?

If healthcare ‘reform’ did not include gov’t healthcare, i’m sure he’d get more support. I do not believe the gov’t should be involved in our healthcare. Medicare/Medicaid is horrible and is deeply in the red. Their only idea to pay for this plan is to tax the rich. Robbing peter to pay paul is never a good thing.

I’m waiting for the day when he stands in the Rose Garden with a gaggle of lawyers and says they have agreed that a necessary first step toward health care reform is tort reform, which would reduce exorbitant malpractice insurance rates (which get passed along to consumers) and would reduce ‘defensive doctoring’ with its overdependency on multiple tests and costly procedures.
Nope, that’s not going to happen. His fellow lawyers know they are safe from the strong-arm treatment.

“You’ll save money,”
Not a day goes by where The One does not blatantly lie to the public.

As he said we will not be denied healthcare with pre-existing conditions. I know so many people who were denied, esp. after they got sick and the bills became too high. Yes we MUST fix this…and why do you think our economy is so bad? the cost of healthcare is horrible….

Really? Healthcare has brought down the world’s economy? Wow, those healthcare companies are pretty powerful. If you honestly think that healthcare is the reason our economy is where it is, you belong in a room with padded walls.

HEY !!
WHITE GUYS NEED Affirmative Action !!
Right Mr Ricci ??
The ‘Poster Boy’ for ‘Reverse Racism’ got HIS JOB through set asides !!!!
Just another Dumb White guy with a chip on his shoulder and a deep sense of ENTITLEMENT
‘…Ricci originally got his job on the New Haven force through his own discrimination complaint under the Americans with Disabilities Act. He claimed he was denied employment on the basis of his dyslexia…’
OH ! THAT test ?
THAT Test was BIASED Against the Dyslexic !!
I DEMAND a PASSING SCORE !!
THAT test is INVALID because I DIDN’T PASS
THIS TEST is Valid Because I DID PASS !!

Whatever Obama wants–Obama gets! The US won’t be defeated or taken down by terrorists. We’ll be bankrupted by our own governement and probably while Obama is still President. NOT THE WAY TO GO FOLKS!!!

As he said we will not be denied healthcare with pre-existing conditions. I know so many people who were denied, esp. after they got sick and the bills became too high. Yes we MUST fix this…and why do you think our economy is so bad? the cost of healthcare is horrible….
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Yes, I agree it is horrible when people get denied after their bills become too high.
But…people with preexisting conditions have high bills because their treatments are expensive. How does incorporating them into the system save *you* money?
Don’t you want a little honesty here? Obama can base his arguments for health care on many things, but if he wants to say it’s going to save people money he’s going to have to prove that.

Obama should focus on fixing unemployment. I don’t trust his healthcare plan. I think he just wants to pass anything so that he can say that he’s accomplished something.
Furthemore, his plan would take money from high paying states and give it to states that don’t pay taxes. Florida doesn’t pay an income tax. Why should I pay for their healthcare?
I really, really wish Hillary had won. Obama just is a creation of marketing.

Speaking of buying votes and screwing up the economy . .. .
“President Bush announced an Administration effort to increase home ownership rates among African Americans and Hispanics by 5.5 million by 2010.
“The plan would provide down payment assistance to 40,000 minority homebuyers each year.
“Bush’s plan would be closely tied to some $440 million in minority loan programs offered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. President Bush commended Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s efforts.”
(July 2002)

Danita, Fannie and Freddy only made 16% of the bad loans. The private sector made the other 84%.
They made these bad loans because of deregulation. It’s now Obama’s responsibility to regulate the financial industry the way it used to be, but he shows no inclination to fix anything.

Ram it through, ram it through, get it done before America gets to read it.
Scare them, tell them we need it right this second and that they don’t need time to read it. If they don’t let us pass it FAST FAST then the world will end and they’ll all die.
State of FEAR. There’s no transparency in this administration. Obama only keeps the spending promises but ignores the ethical and transparency promises.
Threats and intimidation against those who oppose the plan and big time kickbacks for those congressmen that jump into bed with Obama, ignoring their constituents and voting to get re elected by people dependent on the government. Great way to ruin, I mean run the country.

“But right wingers won’t be happy till we’re a banana republic”
Well, then I guess us “right wingers” will be as happy as a pig in slop because that is exactly where we are headed with Comrade Obama in the White House.

I’m waiting for the day when he stands in the Rose Garden with a gaggle of lawyers and says they have agreed that a necessary first step toward health care reform is tort reform, which would reduce exorbitant malpractice insurance rates (which get passed along to consumers) and would reduce ‘defensive doctoring’ with its overdependency on multiple tests and costly procedures.
Posted by: moderate | Jul 15, 2009 2:25:01 PM
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Yes, it should have been done a long time ago, but you notice NO ONE in Congress or any President has ever wanted to face this. Wonder why? That one hasn’t been kicked down the road – it’s been swept under the rug.
Any thoughts from our liberal friends on this subject?

“You’ll save money,” President Obama said
If my rates go up, can I send him the bill?
Well, of course I can. But will he pay it?

“You’ll get this, you’ll get that, all your needs will be met…”
AND you’ll get punished for refusing to pay for WORTHLESS insurance that will deny claims or demand $4000 deductibles if your great-aunt had cancer. “Significant fines” with the plan to take it right out of your paycheck, based on GROSS earnings. Here’s your government involvement. Enjoy. Of course, most are drooling over all the promises being made to get your screaming fainting fawning approval and support. I guess I’m not looking for someone to take care of me. Especially someone who’s more interested in my wallet.
And who will run this wonderful answer to everything? THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. The government WILL contract with BCBS etal to run the monster. The really big companies, the ones with experience. Just as they do now with Medicaid and Medicare.
I hate being hostage to others’ stupidity.

Obama is not abolishing the private run health insurance. He is trying to give an alternate government run insurance program. If you are satisfied with private company swindlers go ached, no one is going to stop you for your foolish act. The people wanted to have better health care, they should have an option. That’s it. The GOP’s are with big mafia of private insurance companies. I do not know why the ignorant people are not waking up, still sleeping and still encouraging the swindlers.

The GOP’s are with big mafia of private insurance companies. I do not know why the ignorant people are not waking up, still sleeping and still encouraging the swindlers. Posted by: jimjus99 | Jul 15, 2009 5:30:37 PM
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Hate to burst your bubble, but greed and hidden agendas in Washington do not have political affiliations.
For example, the Goldman-Sachs connections started with Paulsen under Bush and are continuing with members of the Obama Administration. The greedy just switch sides and continue on.

“Every single 1st world nation pays far LESS than we do for health care with better ranked systems and more access.”
Do those 1st world nations also provide free healthcare and welfare to 15-20 million illegal immigrants and pass that tab along to the rest of their citizens?
California alone spends over $15 billion per year doing that. And aren’t things just peachy there?
You’re right. The stupid does burn.

Hey Stacey, having lived in three different countries with socialized medicine (or some level thereof), yes they too blame all of their problems on immigrants. In particular, Australia and the UK have high levels of illegal immigration. Now, I don’t support illegal immigration because every time I’ve moved to another country I’ve had to jump through the hoops and believe others should as well, but to answer your question, yes they do have to deal with a huge immigration factor and their costs are still lower.

a perspective beyond your own backyard, Britain’s NHS keeps cost down by denying/delaying care. Oh, and it’s nearly bankrupt. Sounds like quite a model program.
Our own Medicare and Medicaid programs have trillions of dollars in unfunded mandates. Our government has already demonstrated it can’t run anything efficiently, least of all healthcare.
But you keep believing, despite the black and white numbers of our own CBO showing the contrary. Maybe dreams of a healthcare utopia will magically change the laws of mathematics.

take the politicians and lawyers out of healthcare reform.In the medical field, there is two parties making money hospitals and insurance companies.It is a sad day when nurse make more money than some physicians. When all the physicians will have left; there is not going to have a healthcare crisis because healthcare will not exist anymore.

This kind of reform proposal is a great concern to health insurance companies and healthcare workers, they feel that they will be the losers in the newly formed system. One of the proposed reform options being suggested is to require all American’s to be insured, this would enable insurerd to lower medical insurance cost by spreading the risk over a larger population. Many feel that a mandate requiring everyone carry medical insurance is necessary to bring cost down. Otherwise people seeking medcial insurance coverage only after getting sick will drive up the cost for those already enrolled.

The bottom line is that the cost of medical insurance coverage will be much lower if everyone is on board, meaning that we will not only be insuring the sick, but also healthy American’s under this new health care plan. This will allow the insurance companies to cover more people and provide better coverage to all.

The bottom line is that the cost of medical insurance coverage will be much lower if everyone is on board, meaning that we will not only be insuring the sick, but also healthy American’s under this new health care plan. This will allow the insurance companies to cover more people and provide better coverage to all.
In the immediate future health care costs may rise, as more people have medical insurance coverage they may visit the doctor more often for every little thing. But once this initial surge is past, the need will return to average and everyone will be healthier.

“LOL. Medicare and Medicaid already deny certain treatments today, genius.”
So does private insurance.
The bonus being you get to pay someone more for the privilege of denial.

A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW WELL GOV HEALTH CARE WORKS, ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT GOV HEATH CARE FOR NATIVE AMERICANS – TALK ABOUT A DISASTER!! WE CAN EXPECT SAME!!!

HORROR STORIES OF CANADIAN AND GB PROGRAMS ARE VERY WELL DOCUMENTED. IT IS SO BAD IN CANADA THAT THE GOV EVEN SPONSORS LOTTERIES WHERE THE WINNERS ARE MOVED UP THE WAIT LIST – SAYS A LOT DOESN’T IT!! JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

Do those 1st world nations also provide free healthcare and welfare to 15-20 million illegal immigrants and pass that tab along to the rest of their citizens?
Posted by: Stacey | Jul 15, 2009 6:40:07 PM
Free healthcare for all illegals will be just the tip of the iceberg.
Did anyone notice this past weekend that 0bama pledged $63 billion to Ghana during his latest stop in the 0bama world tour? That’s $63 billion (with a “b”) that was pledged towards healthcare in Africa.
I know things are bad all over but how can he, with the stroke of a pen, just shovel out tens of billions of dollars to any cause that he fancies?
He himself has said several times that we are broke. If I didn’t know any better, I would say that he is intentionally trying to bankrupt this country.

While the impetus for change is great, it will take up to 10 years to fully implement either of the healthcare reform proposals being considere.
Posted by: Medical Insurance | Jul 15, 2009 7:12:57 PM
I pray that you are correct. If not, then this $1.8-2.0 trillion dollar deficit for FY2009 is going to look like peanuts when our debt skyrockets to double or triple that.

Were his pants on fire?

TO; Jack-Jul 15, 2009 8:21:43 PM
“Did anyone notice this past weekend that 0bama pledged $63 billion to Ghana during his latest stop in the 0bama world tour? That’s $63 billion (with a “b”) that was pledged towards healthcare in Africa.”
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Dear Jack, Can I have more detailed information about 0bama pledged $63 billion to Ghana ” In addition, Obama also has asked Congress to allow continued aid to Palestinians, $840,000,000.00, even if officials linked to the militant group Hamas become part of the government, The Los Angeles Times reported Monday(Apr. 13, 2009). I CAN’T STAND ANY MORE WITH OBAMA’S QUIXOTIC POLICIES WHICH SPUR AMERICA GO TO BANKRUPCY.

Just enter: “$63 billion,” “Ghana” in any Internet search engine and there are tens of thousands of hits.
The White House website has the follow excerpt of the transcription of President Obama’s remarks to the Ghanaian Parliament on July 11, 2009:
“America will support these efforts through a comprehensive, global health strategy, because in the 21st century, we are called to act by our conscience but also by our common interest, because when a child dies of a preventable disease in Accra, that diminishes us everywhere. And when disease goes unchecked in any corner of the world, we know that it can spread across oceans and continents.
“And that’s why my administration has committed $63 billion to meet these challenges — $63 billion. (Applause.) Building on the strong efforts of President Bush, we will carry forward the fight against HIV/AIDS. We will pursue the goal of ending deaths from malaria and tuberculosis, and we will work to eradicate polio. (Applause.) We will fight — we will fight neglected tropical disease. And we won’t confront illnesses in isolation — we will invest in public health systems that promote wellness and focus on the health of mothers and children. (Applause.)”

Stacey, President Obama’s exact quote is: “And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.”
Few reported it at the time, but the Line-Item Veto was ruled unconstitutional by U. S. District Court Judge Thomas F. Hogan on Feb. 12, 1998; and affirmed by the U. S. Supreme Court on June 25, 1998. So he doesn’t even have the legal authority to fulfill that promise.

Mr. Danley, thanks so much for finding that tidbit of info for Danita. So that would be 63 billion on top of the other aid previously mentioned, such as the G8 funding Danita referenced.
And Danita, thanks for reminding people that Bush 43 was generous in spending American money to alleviate suffering in Africa as well. That’s the only time I can remember you giving the man credit for anything. Will wonders never cease?

Stacey, I totally agree!

Any money you save will be swamped in new taxes, fees, co-pays, etc.
While you may not like your current provider, at least you can change, or sue them.
When the government takes over, they will necessarily require mandatory enrollment of all and you won’t be able to sue.
And you won’t necessarily get the treatment you want. After an interminable wait you will simply be told a person of your age, weight, color (if White or Asian), bad habits, or other consideration is on “space available” status for that particular treatment. For example, the quota for MRI’s for Whites may have already be allocated for the fiscal year, so, in the interest of diversity and fairness, you will just have to wait unitl next year.
Bottom line – Politics will rule, not sound medical judgment.
But by the time you realize it, it will be too late, the best health care system (with all its faults), the envy of the world, the place where people from other countries come to get treated, will be no more: replaced with the medical equivalent of the DMV!

It seems Mr. Obama has a good reason to want to reform health care. It seems his mom could not find a hospital in Hawaii to give birth. At least if she did, none of them are claiming the honor. Rather, they are refusing to confirm or deny!. I wonder why that would be…?

Terry . ..
Just a hypothetical, Richard Cheney is discovered to be from the planet Zoron and is also discovered to have broken laws under the Constitution of the United States.
Will he be rewarded with another plum position at Halliburton?

The ugly truth it that the quickest and most effective way to lower health care cost is to curtail services to older people. After all, they’ve lived a good life, time to step aside and let the scarce health-care dollars go to the young, or the protected groups, or the politically connected.
Mr. Obama said as much recently when a woman asked him about an operation for her grandmother. He answered without even inquiring about the details of the case. His answer: perhaps it might be better to just give her a pain pill rather than an expensive surgery. Pretty cold, but instructive of his thinking and what awaits older people. After all, a big enough pain pill and no problem…
If you want the government in every aspect of your life give them control over your health care. And even still, that won’t be enough, for some of you, you will be expected to simply die.

Hi Danita,
You said: Perfect that’s just we want – Cheney and his ilk walking in and out the doors between big business and government . ..
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Have you taken a look at who Mr. Obama is hiring to fill positions in his administration? Plus ça change, plus c’est le même chose!

The quickest way to lower health care cost is to curtail services to older people. After all, they’ve lived a good life, time to step aside…
If you want the government in every aspect of your life give them control over your health care. And even still, that won’t be enough, even though you try to follow all the rules, for some of you, you will be expected to simply die.
This is particularly true for those that have chronic illnesses. After all, their quality of life isn’t that great, let’s spend the money on others that can be cured.

Hi Danita
You said: Terry, I sure have and it’s a real pleasant change from Mr. Bush and his country club pals, like that horse show fellow he put in charge of FEMA.
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Yeah and like that guy that authorized the photo-op for AF One over New York… and Mr. Obama’s term has just begun, more guffaws to follow!

Hi Danita,
Looks like it is only you and me this evening. When does your shift at the Obama war room end? (ha ha)
Help me with a question….
In 1961, Honolulu was a relatively small city. There were only two hospitals where it probably could have happened. My question is not in which it did, because I am sure you don’t know, but why don’t you care? Or better, why do you pretend you don’t care, because I am sure you would love to know so you could rub it in my face.
Isn’t it strange and wonderful that in this information age, in the midst of the most open and transparent administration ever, we don’t even know in which of two hospitals it happened? What could he be hiding?

Hi Danita,
No, really, which was it? How do you know?

So..What is the name of the attending physian??? And why hasn’t he/she come forward?? What an opportunity to be known as the doctor who delivered the first black President…I would be screaming it from the mountain top..IT WAS ME…CURIOUS.

danita..Reptile??? Grey one??? I don’t get it what is your point?..As far as proof..the burden of proof lies with the Obama administration not the people..He answers to the people, the people do not answer to him..

And no, if you’re making accusations against someone you must prove them.

No…Obama was elected President; therefore, one of the requirements of that job requires a security clearance. He, as well as all immediate family members, needs to go through the vetting process which requires a certified copy of his birth certificate with the doctor’s name, place of delivery, parents name and social security numbers, if applicable..He needs to prove his residency…I am making no accusations however I believe no man is above the law nor deserves special consideration when talking about the security of us all..so give it up Obama..

Parallex View . ..
You’re making unsupported accusations about President Obama . … if you’re accusing him of something, prove it . . . or get off the pot.

I think, regarding Obama and all his wonderful sounding claims about health care reform, that right about now the appropriate statement is:
LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!
(hum, will they remove my post for telling the truth about Obama?)
Page 16 of the house bill basically makes private individual health insurance ILLEGAL. Under the Orwellian header of “Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage,” no less!! [see below] If you happen to have indiv. private coverage before the bill becomes law, you’re grandfathered.
Otherwise, Obama’s “if you lose your job, you’ll still be able to find quality health insurance you can afford”
R-i-g-h-t. Provided, of course, by the US Gov and ONLY the US Gov. NO CHOICE. ZERO CHOICE. Don’t like that option, TOUGH. Because legally you’re required to buy it or pay quite large fines.
Obama’s “if you start a business, you’ll still be able to find quality health insurance you can afford”
R-i-g-h-t. Provided, of course, by the US Gov and ONLY the US Gov. NO CHOICE. ZERO CHOICE. Don’t like that option, TOUGH. Because legally you’re required to buy it or pay quite large fines. At least until you grow your business large enough for group policies, you are stuck 100% with Uncle Sam, Obama’s Choice. (is that like Hobson’s Choice? Between the Devil and the deep blue sea…. hum…)
Miss a payment or two on your current individual policy? TOUGH LUCK. You CAN’T get it back, because they can’t legally underwrite you again. Hows that for “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” ??
Meanwhile, please recall Obama’s statements, made multiple times, about how there’s NO reason that a gov. option plan can’t play fairly, a level playing field, with private insurance.
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!
This guy is a piece of work, right along with those in Congress who’re in bed with him. Its DISGUSTING what they are trying to do.
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It’s Not An Option
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT
Congress: It didn’t take long ….Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.
….the 1,018-page [Atlas says: ANOTHER 1,000+ pager, rush, rush, no time to waste, pass it now or else, last chance!!] …we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.
It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of “Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage,” ….
So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won’t be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.
…The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, “fizzle out altogether.”
What wasn’t known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.
The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.
With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left’s expansion of the welfare state will be removed.
The public option won’t be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.
Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn’t be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans’ lives.
It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It’s scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we’ll come across in the final 1,002.

Yeah and like that guy that authorized the photo-op for AF One over New York… and Mr. Obama’s term has just begun, more guffaws to follow!
Posted by: Terry | Jul 15, 2009 11:43:01 PM
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Obama’s vaunted “Car Czar” just quit after only 6 months on the job.
Low and behold, he and the company he co-founded have been under a long term Federal investigation for pay-to-play crimes.
This has GOT to be the most corrupt and radical group of appointee’s ever.

The Democrats are mostly filthy commiemliars and cheats and crooks and President Obamas and his team are plain stupid and uneducated – and they’re Democrats after all.
If only those clean, honest and decent Republicans were in power snorting their noses around. They would bomb Iran, bomb Venezuela, bomb North Korea, bomb Cuba, bomb Bolivia – and fix this whole economy nonsense with a snap of their blessed fingers.
Such a clean lot, uncorrupted and not a criminal amongst them.

The TOTUS must think we are even dumber than him. Sorry Kenyan, nice try, but some of us actually have a brain!

If you are advanced in age, you have good reason to fear the coming health care changes. The increases in cost to the government will be overwhelming and cost-cutting measures will have to occur. The easiest way to cut costs is to limit health care to older Americans. And why not? After all you’ve had a good life, time to step aside.
Mr. Obama said as much himself in answering a question from a woman asking about an operation for her grandmother. Without even seeking any details of the case he replied that she might be better with a pain pill than and expensive surgery.
And with a big enough pain pill, no problem…
Look for the Obama media to start hyping stories on assisted suicide… Oh they are already doing that, look at the story on the composer/director, who with his wife traveled from England (where they have national health care) to Switzerland so they could both get assisted suicide together. How romantic.
You will be told that like the “right to live”, you have the “right to die”. This will be billed as a great improvement to your medical care. But at some point the right to die will become the obligation to die.

A draft of the House Democrat health care bill is out, and it’s been leaked to ATR staff. There are several major tax increases in here, most of which violate the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. They include:
a tax on individuals failing to sign up for health care equal to the lesser of 2.5% of adjusted gross income (AGI) or the average individual premium amount
a tax on employers for not providing a health care plan equal to 8% of payroll. This becomes 0, 4, or 6 percent of payroll as payday totals dip below $400,000 annually
a new and undetermined excise tax on health insurance plans
codification of the “economic substance doctrine,” whereby businesses would not be able to engage in legal tax avoidance techniques without demonstrating a bona fide business purpose
delay of worldwide interest allocation, a baby step toward the full double-taxation of corporate profits earned overseas
the big one–a new “surtax” on the AGI of small businesses and other high income earners. Here’s the details:
1% on AGI of $350,000 to $500,000
1.5% on AGI of $500,000 to $1,000,000
5.4% on AGI of over $1,000,000
Those brackets are 50% if you’re Married Filing Separately, and 80% if you’re Single or Head of Household
This will result in a top rate of 45%, and a capital gains rate of over 25%. It’s more than that when you factor in that this surtax is NOT on taxable income, but on adjusted gross income (AGI). Factoring that plus state income tax in means that the top rate will exceed 50%, and the capital gains rate will exceed 30%.
And it actually gets a lot worse. Employers would also be mandated to provide health insurance under the bill, and the cost of health insurance would likely skyrocket because of new regulations called guaranteed issue and community rating. The only alternative, which many companies would either be forced into by cost considerations or choose for simplicity, would be to pay a payroll tax of as much as 8 percent. That’s on top of the existing 15.3 percent payroll tax for Social Security and Medicare, creating a new total payroll tax of 23.3 percent.

People making accusations about President Obama’s birth should provide proof of their accusations or shut up. Posted by: danita | Jul 16, 2009 1:01:47 PM
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danita, you should study up on democracy and freedom of speech.

Timmy . . .
You should learn about taking responsibility for your actions and accusations. Smearing people without proof is shoddy.

You claim the proposed health care reform will SAVE us money Mr. President? Not according to the CBO. CBO has a dismal forcast of the current plan, not just up front which is bad enough, but all the way down the road past 10 years out.
CBO Chief Criticizes Democrats’ Health Reform Measures
By Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 16, 2009; 2:25 PM
Instead of saving the federal government from fiscal catastrophe, the health reform measures being drafted by congressional Democrats would increase rather than reduce public spending on health care, potentially worsening an already bleak budget outlook, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said this morning. ….

You claim the proposed health care reform will SAVE us money Mr. President? Not according to the CBO. CBO has a dismal forcast of the current plan, not just up front which is bad enough, but all the way down the road past 10 years out.
Posted by: And Atlas Shrugs Yet Again | Jul 16, 2009 3:19:27 PM
EXACTLY! We are told by 0bama that this so called “health reform” is going to cut the price of health care. Well guess what? The CBO comes out today and says that the cost of health care is going to INCREASE!
So this bill will result in higher patient costs, higher national debt, crippling taxes on small business (huge job losses) resulting in the government rationing health care. WHAT GOOD COMES FROM THIS BILL OTHER THAN THE GOVT. TAKING MORE AND MORE CONTROL OVER PEOPLE’S LIVES???
THIS IS PURE INSANITY!!!
However, if you’re an older citizen, you don’t need to worry. As 0bama has stated: “we need to embrace hospice” and “maybe that surgery isn’t the best thing, maybe the better option is that pain medication”. Lucky you…you won’t be around to see the carnage that 0bama will leave behind.

I’ll quote another poster here . ..
“If the republican machine of personal destruction didn’t uncover any wrongdoing you can bet there isn’t any.”
Exactly.
Also, Parallex View . .. you’re not providing proof, you’re still just making allegations.
You should not go around smearing a person without proof – didn’t your parents teach you anything? Seriously.
Posted by: danita | Jul 16, 2009 3:26:56 PM
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Danita, the President has a clear OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE PROOF. Parallax isn’t raising unfounded allegations or smearing anyone, he is asking that the president meet his obligations as set forth in the Constitution of the United States and in election laws.
Now, if these things were being said about a common citizen who was/had NOT run for PUBLIC OFFICE, then you would have a point.
The simple fact is, however, that the second Mr. Obama put his name in the hat, he took on that obligation. Calling for him to meet that obligation is in no way a smear or accusation. That’s why its called PUBLIC office, Danita. For Obama to continue to evade his obligations in this matter is downright shameful. For people to call for him to meet his Constitutional obligation is to be commended, not castigated.
He’s spent probably over a million dollars avoiding meeting this obligation by fighting multiple lawsuits, all on TECHNICAL grounds, NOT substantiative grounds. That’s not only dismissive of every US Citizen, but just downright weird. For the military to revoke activation orders on a soldier, because of this issue is even more bizarre, and sets a rather amazing precedent.
So I’ll say it again. Its called PUBLIC office, and this particular public office requires, by our very Constitution, proof. For Obama to continue to evade his obligations in this matter is downright shameful and is behavior far below that expected of anyone in the office of the President of the United States. For people to call for him to meet his Constitutional obligation is to be commended, not castigated or derided.