President Obama Finds DeMint Fresh

So I am finding it hard how this impacts actual policy.
To be sure, Demint probably could have kept the tone down a bit, but its nothing compared to what I’ve seen Obama call opponents of his version of health care reform.
More importantly, however, there was no substance to his comment and how it applies to actual legislation.
To this point I am seeing very little beyond an initial passing interest into what the proposed legislation actually says and will impact the average American person.
More policy discussion questions, please.
Thanks. :)

@Axey: It depends on the bill that’s passed, now doesn’t it?

DeMint has a reputation for honesty.
Obama…….not so much.

The problem the president has, is everyone knows he lies.

“Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals…
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.”
Wow I had no idea that FoxNews was following Alinsky in attacking ACORN.

“This isn’t about me.”
I have to disagree. It’s ALWAYS about you.
Times are changing, Mr. Obama. You’ve over-reached and you thug Chicago Way politics have become apparent to the public. The “stimulus” is an abject and epic failure. Not even the slobbering media can save you now. You are expending political capital almost as recklessly as you spend taxpayer money. Vulnerable Dems in 2010 are scattering.
This is going to be fun to watch.

Obama: “This isn’t about me. This isn’t about politics.”
Then stop talking about you and your politics and join the debate. According to Obama, there are two choices — the status quo and Obama-care. If you aren’t for Obama-care, your against it, if you will. He presents a false choice and anyone who’s paid attention knows it.
In fact, Obama knows it. That’s why he’s running ads in many parts of the country represented by Democrats. He’s having trouble convincing his own party, let alone his critics. The fact is that his party has a majority, and therefore, it is his party that stands in the way, not Republicans. I guess it looks better to blame Republicans rather than Democrats. Talk about status quo . . .

We gotta stop health care reform from passing, otherwise we are looking at a Democratic majority for decades.

“Are we getting desperate? I understand…the race card is usually the last pulled from the deck when other, more rational options are not available.”
Let’s see, Republican handling of the Sotomayor hearings included several cring worthy moments from the GOP.
Now with healthcare you can hear the steady drumbeat of “illegal” from the right wing.
At this rate Hispanic support for the Democrats may end up in the 80% range.

EVERYTHING is always about Barak Hussein Obama, 24/7.

Ryan C: “At this rate Hispanic support for the Democrats may end up in the 80% range.”
Only because Republicans don’t pander to them like Democrats do. Further, Democrats can keep any demographic that supports unconstitutional behavior like illegal immigration. According to this flawed logic, if you don’t pander to illegal immigrants, you are now racist. Just add that to the long list of other actions liberals find racist, including disagreeing with Obama, or now Sotomayor. Of course, claiming Latinas are wiser than white males is just expressing one’s empathy, not an indication of racism or racial superiority. Liberals aren’t fooling anybody (or anybody worth caring about, I should say).

The president campaigned as someone
who would rise above partisan politics
if he was elected.
Well he was elected and a moment
doesn’t pass when he doesn’t raise the
“straw man” of partisan politics.
Mr President there are many in your
own party who oppose your proposals
for national healthcare.
Get a grip and start compromising.
You are not a dictator or a god.

2010 with Republican racists
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 20, 2009 3:11:25 PM
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“Republicans, conservatives and constitutionalists always find themselves on the defensive in regard to civil rights issues. No matter what they do, will do or have ever done, the left, Democrats and contrarians demonize them as racists.
“By demonizing Republicans and conservatives the left can continue to impose the big lie, which will be accepted as gospel by minorities, whom Democrats believe “owe” them.”

jhw539: “Yeah, that’s all about his agenda alright. Sure thing. Maybe as a senior Senator DeMint is just poor at English and didn’t mean what he said?”
You can take any quote out of context, as you did, and make sound like the opposite of what was meant. In any case, the Senator’s English is fine. It’s your selective quoting that confused you. Here’s the only provided quote from the article:
“If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo, it will break him and we will show that we can along with the American people, begin to push those freedom solutions that work in every area of our society . . .”
DeMint said he wants to “break” Obama on his healthcare plan, so Republicans would have more support for their solutions. Nothing sinister there.

reaganfan:”Mr President there are many in your
own party who oppose your proposals
for national healthcare.
Get a grip and start compromising.”
Hilarious. Now Obama is not compromising with the no-compromise, no-way, just-vote-no Republican party. Never mind little details like over 10% of the entire stimulus package cost resulting from a single REPUBLICAN amendment (and garnering 0 votes from House Republicans for that compromise), or his taking flak for publicly stating he is putting everything on the table to pay for health care (in contradiction to some campaign promises).
Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true, eventually it just makes people tune you out as an unreliable source of information.

“Actually the problem for the Republicans has been their racism seems to leap out when trying to discuss illegal immigration.”
I’m a registered Republican. See any racism in my post regarding illegal immigration?

DeMint walked right into that one.

“You seem to be exaggerating the Sotomayor hearings just a tad in order to support your claims”
Oh I add the healthcare debate with right wingers screaming about illegal immigrants.
“It also appears that you (as many Dems do) lump all Hispanics within the same homogenous category as if we (yes, I said we – I’m first generation Mexican on my mother’s side) all share the same ideologies, values, and outlooks on life. This is far from the truth (obviously as I can attest).”
You’re right Cuban-Americans tend to be more conservative but their view revolves around all things Fidel.
Exit polling showed Obama got about 2/3 of Hispanic support.
Before the immigration debate of 2005, Hispanic were growing more supportive of the GOP or at least Bush (he lost Hispanics to Kerry by about 10 pts).

Republicans, conservatives and constitutionalists always find themselves on the defensive in regard to civil rights issues.”
Gee I wonder why.
“Yet Again, Email + Republican Elected Officials = Repulsive Racism”

“That’s just liberals projecting their own racism on Republicans. Again, you assert that those who are against illegal immigration are racist.”
Except I didn’t.
See the right wing’s natural racism tends to bubble up during conversations of illegal immigration. Lots of stereotyping, fear mongering etc.
Rubin Navarette who leans conservative and is supportive of curbs against immigration has written about being put off by the anti-Hispanic rhetoric that seems to go hand in hand with protests against illegal immigration.
Then you have incidents like the head of a minute man group shooting up a Hispanic family to make it look like a cross border drug deal gone wrong.
If you think the shift away from Republicans by Hispanics that began after the immigration debates in 2005 is nothing to worry about then by all means continue to be offensive.

“If you’re not with me, you’re against me.” Sounds awfully familiar.
Those who oppose are always painted as greedy, evil corporate types. They may well be, but NO MORE SO than the president and his circle. Come on, even the thickest can’t say Obama doesn’t play the special interest game. And “this isn’t about me”? This is his Legacy, his Landmark, his Contribution to History (besides the obvious). It is all about him.
I’m surprised the man wasn’t holding small sick children as he spoke. Or was he? I don’t know, I don’t watch him or listen to his rhetoric. Reading it is bad enough. But I do, so that I can be forewarned about the next insanity.

Exit polling showed Obama got about 2/3 of Hispanic support.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 20, 2009 4:11:09 PM
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They voted for Hope & Change. So far? 0 for 2…

“Leftists without facts always attack their opponents.”
Yes I always admired right wingers without facts who simply make them up THEN attacked their opponents.

Ryan C: “Except I didn’t (imply Republicans are racist) . . . See the right wing’s natural racism tends to bubble up during conversations of illegal immigration. Lots of stereotyping, fear mongering etc.”
Yes you did, and you did it again for all to see. Again, you’re just projecting your own racial views on Republicans. You have no proof of anything. Just accusations and prejudice.

“Ryan C: “Except I didn’t (imply Republicans are racist) . . . See the right wing’s natural racism tends to bubble up during conversations of illegal immigration. Lots of stereotyping, fear mongering etc.”
ROFLMAO!
You had to change my quote to say something I did not.
“You have no proof of anything. Just accusations and prejudice.”
Would you like examples of right wing racism?
Because there are plenty.
“Prominent South Carolina Republican Rusty DePass has apologized for comparing Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle, to a gorilla.
DePass made the comment in a Facebook posting while discussing a recent story about a gorilla that escaped from a local zoo. “I’m sure it’s just one of Michelle’s ancestors – probably harmless,” DePass wrote.”
And on the subject of Hispanics and racism
“Top-ranking Republican strategists who specialize in Hispanic outreach say they are outraged, disturbed and concerned by the type of reception Barack Obama’s pick for the Supreme Court has received from conservative activists.
In the days since the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, several prominent conservative voices have leveled unusually blunt attacks at her resume. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and radio host Rush Limbaugh both insisted that the court of appeals judge was a racist for saying that her Hispanic background allowed her to come to better judicial decisions. Former Congressman Tom Tancredo, on Friday, called Sotomayor a member of the “Latino KKK.”

“And we can’t afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care…”
The President has no shame when he can say something like this, when he never sponsored a bill adressing health care “reform” in the Senate. As I recall, the the Democrats became the majority in 2006, and he was elected in 2004.
I’m beginning to wonder if the President is at all honest; even normal “politicing” does not justify his behavior.

“Oh I add the healthcare debate with right wingers screaming about illegal immigrants.”
Can you come up with any sound reasoning as to why American taxpayers should pay for the healthcare of non-American citizens?
“You’re right Cuban-Americans tend to be more conservative but their view revolves around all things Fidel.”
There you go again…lumping everyone together. Ever occur to you that the reason (according to you) that support from Hispanics is rising is due to the pandering by Democrats (by dangling entitlement benefits) that Republicans do not do?
Bush was popular amongst Hispanics because (a.) he has Hispanics (through marriage) within his family, and (b.) he was a popular governor from a state with a large Hispanic population. Not because he pandered.

“Odd way of claiming Republicans are not racist by accusing Hispanics of wanting a hand out.”
I’m a Republican. I don’t support healthcare for illegal immigrants. Am I a racist? (think hard about this one, Ryan – I’m also first generation Hispanic).
“The political amnesia by right wingers never ceases to amaze me.
The miserable lives led by left wingers does not amaze me, but it is extremely sad that so much energy is devoted to claims of injustice thrust upon them by society at large.
Your Messiah will be an epic failure and you will be sadly disappointed.

Ryan C: “You had to change my quote to say something I did not.”
I actually didn’t. I added a reference in parenthesis only to put your vague comment in the context our original discussion. I wasn’t trying to imply you said what was in parenthesis. Just read through our exchange, and you’ll see I was true to our discussion. Try to follow along.
Ryan C: “Would you like examples of right wing racism?”
Yes, I’d like to see where any main-stream, Republican organizations have endorsed racism. You aren’t going to find any.
Your false examples of Republican racism are all unfounded conjecture. Even if we had signed confessions from each of them, a few bad-apples don’t spoil the bunch. As you’ve demonstrated for us, liberals love to use race in politics as a tool of division and guilt, while most conservatives find race irrelevant to the larger issue. It was you who brought race into the race-neutral issue that is healthcare, not those terrible, “racist” Republicans.

“Ryan C – Thanks for bringing him up. A clear example of how Democrats bring racism into politics.”
Let’s see, the Republicans nominate for a position on the Court of Appeals, a man with ZERO bench experience in hopes of eventually nominating him to the Supreme Court soon. ROove got mad his little plan did not work out.
“Democrats are the party of ethnic and racial minorities – Unless you are Miguel Estrada, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, JC Watts, etc., etc., etc.”
Etc etc?
You just named most if not all of the minority Republicans.

“Has the Council of Concerned Citizens has fallen out of favor with the mainstream?”
I guess it has – I’ve never heard of it.

“I haven’t seen you make a racist comment.
But the day is still young.”
What? You have accused me of being a racist on several occasions – As recent as late last week!!!
Revisionist history is very convenient.

“I’d say. White separatism hasn’t been popular for a while.”
So “The Council of Conservative Citizens is the #1 multi-issue conservative organization in the nation.”
That’s a false statement then?
And what of Ann Coulter’s recent defense of them?

Health care is not a right. We have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare? Nope not in there? Life? Oh yes it’s there but it’s funny how almost everyone who is for this health care is against life. (Oh excuse me they are pro-choice) Come on, I’m far from rich but I know it’s no one’s responsibility to pay for my health care and it isn’t my responsibility to pay for the 20 million illigals and the 20 million others that don’t have insurance. Although if asked, not told, I would probably help fund it on a strictly volunteer basis. This is after all the USA. you know the country of choice? Only I don’t think it will be that way for long.

The both of them need to be voted out of office….Romper Room Politics..

“Again, you are demonstrating a few bad apples ruin the barrel.”
Looks like we’re running out of good apples.
“With a little effort, similar behavior could be demonstrated by liberals.”
Please do so.

“Conservatism and conservative principles are inherent in our free society, and I believe inherent in every freedom-loving American.”
I feel like I am about to hear Otter’s defense speech in Animal House.

It’s not about the President, mrdemint — it’s about the Americans who have no health care. It’s not about “getting” Obama, for heavens’ sake — it’s about helping solve a huge problem our country faces. It’s not about Waterloo or gops. It IS about the amounts of monies lobbyists/insurance/drug companies/richer folks are pouring into the effort to defeat our President’s work –