President Obama to Delay Release of Mid-Session Budget Review
EmailThe Obama administration announced Monday that its Mid-Session Budget Review would not be released this month, as previously scheduled, but rather would be pushed to August.
The Obama administration’s projections of economic growth, the deficit and the unemployment rate in preliminary budget estimates in February and May have since been proven overly optimistic. As the president pushes for the House and Senate to pass health care reform legislation before adjourning for the August recess, it could complicate matters to have an official White House acknowledgment that the economy is far worse that it had predicted – especially as moderate Democrats in the House and Senate balk at the cost of the proposals.
But the administration argues that’s not what’s going on at all.
"Because of the unique circumstances of a transition year, we — like President George W. Bush in 2001 – are releasing the Mid-Session Review a few weeks later than as is usual in non-transition years,” said Kenneth Baer, the communications director for the Office of Management and Budget.
President George W. Bush’s first Mid-Session Budget Review was released on August 22, 2001 while President Bill Clinton’s first Mid-Session Budget Review was released on August 28, 1993.
As Josh Gerstein of Politico points out a Congressional Research Service report from 2007 says “the law requires such a mid-session report ‘before July 16’ each year, but the deadline has been blown off by many presidents, with President Ronald Reagan being the most habitual violator in recent years.”
Congressional Republicans immediately pounced, however, saying the delay was evidence of “an attempt to hide a record-breaking deficit as Democratic leaders break arms to rush through a government takeover of health care,” as House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, charged in a press release.
Boehner said that the Congressional Budget Office “confirmed last week that the Democrats’ plans will increase health care costs and add hundreds of billions to the deficit. Try as they might, the White House cannot hide the fact that the policies of this Administration have buried our children and grandchildren under historic debt. Washington Democrats are spending with reckless abandon, yet by burying this budget update until after Congress leaves town next month, the Administration is not willing to own up to the consequences of this dangerous fiscal agenda.”
-jpt
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And you want these guys taking over OUR health care???? They are HIDING their budget! Why? They don’t want you to know how they waste your money!! This administration is a train wreck! God save us from barry!
Posted by: BarryO | July 20, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Most. Transparent. Administration. Ever.
I thought The One was supposed to be different? I thought no more “politics as usual”?
Where’s the “chage we can believe in”?
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Yes, health care has gone down the hill ever since…..Bush!
Posted by: Microsoft Points | July 20, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
===Because of the unique circumstances of a transition year, we — like President George W. Bush in 2001 ===
The magic words…Bush. And you guys thought you were voting for change.
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
OK, let’s face it. If the preliminary numbers were GOOD, don’t you think Obama would be trumpeting this everywhere?
THey’re hiding the bad news so they can try to make it much, much worse with this horrible bill.
Posted by: Beth | July 20, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Politics, politics, politics. Unfortunately, the stakes are now catastrophically large. Too large for this kind of gamesmanship. It’s time for the American people to vote these guys out of office. Term limits!!!
Posted by: IWMPB | July 20, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Seriously, you’re sitting in here whining in your ridiculous partisan blather… “they’re hiding their budget! This administration is a train wreck!”
Rep. Boehner, who personally oversaw the expansion of Federal debt to a level never seen before George W. Bush, now rants about fiscal sensibility. You look to the Republicans, who for six years borrowed money from the Chinese to pay for a war that wasn’t worth a tax increase, to get you out of debt?
Americans are so stupid.
Posted by: Jamie | July 20, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
This move is highly suspect. Does anybody else get the feeling that those in Washington DC believe that the we are a bunch of morons?
What I’m afraid of is that they are going to ram through this health care bill just like they did the stimulus bill. See where that got us?
Posted by: Mak | July 20, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
===George W. Bush===
Magic words!
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Thanks America, “Change We Can Believe In” apparently is the same as Never land. Obama is “politics-as-usual” for a Liberal and nothing new. The “Great Unifier” has even caused splits in his own party with no attempt to include Republicans in anything. He tries to sneak bills through in the dead of night and triple their sizes while he is off around the world with Michelle and the girls, and we are paying for everything. We are paying for all of the social programs, lavish dinners, and vacations. We are going to have our taxes raised through elimination of tax cuts, which Obama will again FAIL to address. Then he will seek to make 20 million “Illegal” immigrants, “Lega” so that he can get voted back in to office by the people he didn’t screw.
Posted by: Jason Sanborn | July 20, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
“Rep. Boehner, who personally oversaw the expansion of Federal debt to a level never seen before George W. Bush, now rants about fiscal sensibility.”
Actually, the largest deficit incurred during the Bush administraion was overseen by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) in 2008. The deficit in 2009 (again, overseen by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)) will be measured in the trillions for the first time ever.
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
That’s right Mr. President Don’t take no crap from these double standars haters because they odn’t care and the truth ain’t in them.
Posted by: GI for Obama | July 20, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
“Because of the unique circumstances of a transition year, we — like President George W. Bush in 2001 – are releasing the Mid-Session Review a few weeks later than as is usual in non-transition years,” said Kenneth Baer, the communications director for the Office of Management and Budget.
Yeah, but GWB wasn’t trying to revamp the entire health care system in 2001 before a self-imposed August deadline. The administration is obviously hiding a bad report during this critical period to prevent further erosion of popularity regarding their HCR positions. This is ridiculous! The people of this country and congress should not move forward in any manner regarding health care legislation UNTIL the release of this report. Health care changes of this size cannot be made with half information. All eyes are on you Mr. President. Do the right thing and release the report so we all can make informed decisions regarding our country’s future. It is the fairest thing to do.
Posted by: Where'stheBudgetUpdate? | July 20, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Lay off our president!
Posted by: Matt | July 20, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
“The deficit in 2009 (again, overseen by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)) will be measured in the trillions for the first time ever.”
Yes, after years and years of it being in the high hundreds of billions. You’re racing to the bottom of the barrel. Pelosi is a big spender; no shock. But you act as if her counterparts are budget hawks, and they aren’t.
The ONLY difference is that Democrats borrow to fund programs, and Republicans borrow to fund tax cuts. Neither course of action helps America whatsoever.
Posted by: Jamie | July 20, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“Yes, after years and years of it being in the high hundreds of billions. You’re racing to the bottom of the barrel. Pelosi is a big spender; no shock. But you act as if her counterparts are budget hawks, and they aren’t.”
Sorry, Jamie, this is simply not true. Bush’s deficits were never in “the high hundreds of billions” as you claim. Last year’s (2008) deficit was Bush’s highest (<~$450B)…Obama's 2009 projected deficit will approach $2,000B ($2T) and are projected (by non-partisan CBO) to remain beyond $1 Trillion per year until 2012.
Search "wapo, Deficit Projected To Swell Beyond Earlier Estimates" for more info – Check out graphic titled "Projected Deficit" within "This Story" box.
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I think that I may vomit!Does no one think that Obama should be called on anything? Ever?
Posted by: Charleston | July 20, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
“Because of the unique circumstances of a transition year, we — like President George W. Bush in 2001 – are releasing the Mid-Session Review a few weeks later than as is usual in non-transition years,” said Kenneth Baer, the communications director for the Office of Management and Budget.
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George W Bush found out he would be the next president on Dec 12, 2000.
Barack Obama found out he would be the next President Nov 4, 2008. His election was followed by an unprecedented transition effort between Bush and PEBO.
Furthermore, Barack Obama, unlike any of the other presidents mentioned, came from the US Senate, where he was part of the budgeting process.
The delay may be entirely legitimate, but I say no more legislation requiring $$ until after the review has been released.
Posted by: MayBee | July 20, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Why is this story not on the regular list?
Posted by: evelyn | July 20, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Obama promised a more transparent government.
Obama is now hiding, covering up his failures from U.S. citizens.
Yes, we can fool all the people all the time.
- the Obama Administration
Posted by: sally j | July 20, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Votes on any spending legislation by Congress should be disallowed until numbers are released.
Posted by: Aaron | July 20, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Then would it not be responsible to hold off on Health Care legislation until all the facts are in on the true state of the economy??? Are we expected to sign off on a contract without reading first?? I call this “Romper Room politics.”
Posted by: Parallex View | July 20, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Wow, I can just imagine the howls if Mr. Bush had done this…
Posted by: Terry | July 20, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
“President George W. Bush’s first Mid-Session Budget Review was released on August 22, 2001 while President Bill Clinton’s first Mid-Session Budget Review was released on August 28, 1993. “… the deadline has been blown off by many presidents, with President Ronald Reagan being the most habitual violator in recent years.”
Congressional Republicans immediately pounced…”
The Republican party of “do as we say not as we do” finds another topic to pontificate on rather than bother to actually do their job of governing and offer any constructive suggestions.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 20, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
===The Republican party of “do as we say not as we do” finds another topic to pontificate on rather than bother to actually do their job of governing and offer any constructive suggestions.
Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 20, 2009 12:57:15 PM===
Why don’t you go find out what legislation was pending at the time? What was Bush and Reagan trying to ram through congress that the budget couldn’t wait until August to be released? If Obama is willing to put off the vote on health care until after the August recess, then fine, the criticism of republicans is valid. If not, then the criticisms of Obama is valid.
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
so, by voting for obama – were we voting for a 3rd term of bush?
Posted by: paige | July 20, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Hope and Change…..my arse!!
Who is that slim dude hiding behind that Budget Review?
Yes We Can?
Crapola!
Posted by: American Infidel | July 20, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
The Republican party of “do as we say not as we do” finds another topic to pontificate on rather than bother to actually do their job of governing and offer any constructive suggestions.
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In this case, their constructive suggestion is: release the budget review on time.
Posted by: MayBee | July 20, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
jhw…I don’t believe the Republicans were pushing for passage of a Trillion Dollar piece of legislation, that will clearly have an effect on our future deficit, PRIOR to the Budget Review..If the information is relevant, and how could it not be, then Obama’s Health Care Reform agenda needs to be delayed..
Posted by: Parallex View | July 20, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
So . . . The One is in a big HURRY to pass a pages of impenetrable who-knows-what as “health care reform” — and is launching an advertising campaign against Democrats who oppose Him on it, but
. . . is hiding the Budget Review until he’s on Martha’s Vineyard, where He can pick and choose which, if any, press can press Him about it?
Or is it that His budget-boy, Mr. Orszag, is now soo busy running p-r interference for the “healthcare” disaster that he has no time left for boring old budget biz?
Whatta chicken Obama is.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 20, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Why is The One in such a rush?
It is my understanding that the legislation will not go into effect until 2013 (after 2012 election – convenient, huh?).
The One claims “we need to do this now” to “get the economy back on track”. If so, why the wait until 2013?
Seems The One is trying to “not let a good crisis go to waste”….
There are ways to reform healthcare: TORT REFORM, insurance portability (across employers, across statelines), etc. The One has already stated (to the AMA) that TORT REFORM is off the table and will not be considered (gotta protect his lawyer buddies) and proposed reforms that are not in alignment with The One’s grand plan for socialized medicine are not receiving consideration.
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
That’s right Mr. President Don’t take no crap from these double standars haters because they odn’t care and the truth ain’t in them.
Posted by: GI for Obama | Jul 20, 2009 12:22:54 PM
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WOW! What an ever so intelligent post! LOL…of course note the sarcasm.
Posted by: kmday | July 20, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
“Lay off our president!”
Ah, if only he could be fired, downsized or laid off…
Posted by: Danilo | July 20, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
can you say…obama is in a downward spiral? pass a trillion spending bill without seeing how much money we dont have…amatuer community organizer.
Posted by: catman | July 20, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Correcting TYPO:
” … His bait-and-switch waffling is gonna lose the Congress for the former “Democratic” Party — not much of a loss, in most cases — in 2010.”
Two years later, in 2012 — if we’re still allowed to vote — His bait-and-switch waffling is gonna lose Him the White House.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 20, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
“The Republican party of “do as we say not as we do” finds another topic to pontificate on rather than bother to actually do their job of governing and offer any constructive suggestions.”
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““the law requires such a mid-session report ‘before July 16’ each year, but the deadline has been blown off by many presidents, with President Ronald Reagan being the most habitual violator in recent years.”
Posted by: danita | July 20, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
“Ah, if only he could be fired, downsized or laid off…”
Not to worry: He’s deporting Himself to Martha’s Vineyard.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 20, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Obama doesn’t like to be crossed. Look for the morally diminutive one to put ona bit more naked aggression than usual.
Posted by: tanarg | July 20, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
“the deadline has been blown off by many presidents, with PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN BEING THE MOST HABITUAL VIOLATOR in recent years.”
Could the hypocrites please speak a little louder in their criticism . . .
Republicans . …
Posted by: danita | July 20, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
“Have to go to DrudgeReport to see this one”
You just lost your credibility.
Posted by: watching | July 20, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Putting the White House budget guy on teevee yesterday — presumably because Orszag’s a bit less creepy as Axelrod-Gibbs-Emanuel — to push for the “healthcare” fiasco has sure worked wonders: O’Blabla’s poll numbers, including on healthcare, have fallen.
And they can’t get up.
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 20, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
“Could the hypocrites please speak a little louder in their criticism . . .”
But The One was supposed to rise above “politics as usual”, right? Turns out he’s no different than George Bush!
Why the hurry, Danita?
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
There really isn’t a dimes worth of difference between the parties, It’s a big club and they sometimes allow a new member in but it’s still the same ol, same ol!!!
Posted by: hkdakota | July 20, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I used to hide my report card when I got bad grades too.
Release the budget BEFORE the recess (the way the senate and congress are acting, recess is a fitting term) so we can see what destruction your Wreckovery Act has brought us.
Release the budget BEFORE you pass any more legislation!
Posted by: PatF | July 20, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I get the point that most previous presidents have delayed their mid-session budget reviews, but wasn’t Obama supposed to be bringing us a different kind of politics and we should expect unprecedented transparency? I am confused, I thought we were going to have positive change. I thought the adults were running the show now, so we should expect things like this to be delivered on time and for Obama to follow through on his campaign promises. Were we oversold on this new politics thing?
Posted by: Jason | July 20, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Actually, I am untroubled by the need for the Obama administration to push the midyear budget review until August. As pointed out by Mr. Tapper, this is not an unknown occurrence in the first year of a new administration. However, I agree with the poster who suggested that any further spending bills be postponed until after the budget review does come out. We should not be passing such a sweeping revision of a major part of our economy until congress has a clear picture of how the numbers are looking now, including inflows to the government as well as expenditures.
Yes, Bush and Clinton postponed the reviews until August. By the same token, neither of them proposed new trillion-dollar programs be passed in July. So by all means, follow the precedents, Mr. President– both of them.
Posted by: moderate | July 20, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
danita says: “Could the hypocrites please speak a little louder in their criticism . . .
Republicans . …”
now now danita, don’t they say those who are without fault should throw the first stone? The only way you can get off being critical of past admins on this issue was if Obama actually fulfilled his responsibility to release it on time?
Posted by: Jason | July 20, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“I don’t believe the Republicans were pushing for passage of a Trillion Dollar piece of legislation, that will clearly have an effect on our future deficit, PRIOR to the Budget Review”
Nope just the impact of NCLB and his tax cuts.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Jason:”now now danita, don’t they say those who are without fault should throw the first stone? The only way you can get off being critical of past admins on this issue was if Obama actually fulfilled his responsibility to release it on time?”
? Did you read her post? She was not being critical of past admins, she was quoting a section of the article that points out the very obvious Republican hypocrisy on this point. They are doing EXACTLY what you inexplicbly claim she is doing: being critical of the Obama admin on this issue when Republican administrations have not actually fulfilled their responsibility to release it on time in the past (and Democrats have never whined about it).
Your comment does not make sense – read her post again.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 20, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
“Nope just the impact of NCLB and his tax cuts.”
Let’s keep in mind that NCLB (No Child Left Behind) was co-sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy and received overwhelming/significant bi-partisan support. Can’t say the same for ObamaCare…Not at all…
Let’s also keep in mind that NCLB and the Bush tax cuts did not impact the economy to the extent ObamaCare will…
Let’s also keep in mind that in 2001 we were not in “the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression”…
No legislation until numbers are released. Do any of us make significant purchases without having an understanding of the balances in our bank accounts? Same principle applies…
Posted by: tjp612 | July 20, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
“the deadline has been blown off by many presidents, with PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN BEING THE MOST HABITUAL VIOLATOR in recent years.” from the article above.
Speaking of President Reagan . ..
“Reagan, like Obama, got approval ratings in the high 50s and low 60s during most of his first summer in office,” Holland said. “But as unemployment remained high, Reagan’s approval rating dropped below 50 percent for the first time in November of 1981, and it stayed under 50 percent for the next two years.”
So if and when President Obama’s approval ratings get as low as President Reagan’s – you’ll know the relativity of it and not start creaming your jeans in girlish Republican delight.
Posted by: danita | July 20, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Thats because the budget report shows spending like this: SPENDING SCARED: WHITE HOUSE PUTS OFF RELEASE OF BUDGET UPDATE…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $2,531,600 FOR ‘HAM, WATER ADDED, COOKED, FROZEN, SLICED, 2-LB’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,191,200 FOR ’2 POUND FROZEN HAM SLICED’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $351,807 FOR ‘REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,562,568 FOR ‘MOZZARELLA CHEESE’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $5,708,260 FOR ‘PROCESS CHEESE’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $16,784,272 FOR ‘CANNED PORK’…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,444,100 FOR ‘REPAIR DOOR BLDG 5112′…
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $541,119 FOR ‘INSTALL TRAFFIC SIGNAL’…
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 20, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
“So if and when President Obama’s approval ratings get as low as President Reagan’”
Actually Reagan’s approval rating shot up after the assasination attempt so comparing the two is kind of useless.
In fact comparing approval ratings with any President in the hopes of predicting future approval is fairly useless.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
“Do any of us make significant purchases without having an understanding of the balances in our bank accounts?”
You supported the Iraq War with little clue as to the cost other than knowing it would be alot.
I guess killing Iraqis is more important than providing your fellow Americans with healthcare.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
“Let’s also keep in mind that NCLB and the Bush tax cuts did not impact the economy to the extent ObamaCare will…”
I see, massive budget deficits, underfunded mandates and doubling the debt was not bad when Republicans did it.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I will probably be corrected about my last post that the recovery.gov spending was for like 760,000 lbs of ham at $1.99 a lb first of all who needs all that ham and stuff and why not buy it cheaper at bulk shouldnt it be like .79 a lb???
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 20, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I will probably be corrected about my last post that the recovery.gov spending was for like 760,000 lbs of ham at $1.99 a lb first of all who needs all that ham and stuff and why not buy it cheaper at bulk shouldnt it be like .79 a lb???
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 20, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
===You supported the Iraq War with little clue as to the cost other than knowing it would be alot. ===
You know you have lost the argument when all you can say is George Bush and Iraq War. Or at least I know you have lost the argument, you probably think you won it.
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
However $1.4 million dollars to fix a door sounds a little pricey also. Apparently the white house doesnt care about shopping for the cheapest contract bidder. This is apparent.
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 20, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
“You know you have lost the argument when all you can say is George Bush and Iraq War.”
Ahhh yes the new rule bt right wingers.
One is forbidden to mention anything in the past even if we still pay for those actions today.
Why not call for a book burning of all history books while you’re at it.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
tjp612:”the Bush tax cuts did not impact the economy to the extent ObamaCare will.”
Wow. You must have some new numbers. Could you point me toward the analysis of Bush’s bye-bye-$8trillion-surplus-tax-cuts you’re using? They don’t seem to even line up with ones Bush personally was pushing. His tax cuts would ‘give back’/cost 3-4trillion dollars in the first 10 years (he saved some to eliminate the debt and make SS solvent), and then expire costing nothing more – tada! That is what the CBO and Bush personally said in 2001.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 20, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
===One is forbidden to mention anything in the past even if we still pay for those actions today.===
Forbidden? Melodramatic much?
===Why not call for a book burning of all history books while you’re at it. ===
Why not admit you have no other argument but Bush and Iraq?
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
===Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 20, 2009 3:27:46 PM===
What bank account was that $8 trillion surplus in? Or was it more like a projection if nothing changed? Like a dot com bubble bursting or 9/11?
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
===Oh I have plenty of other arguments.===
Or they also forbidden since you never use them?
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
===Or they also forbidden since you never use them?
Posted by: Axey | Jul 20, 2009 3:32:43 PM===
Grrrrr…”Are” not “or”…
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
“Or they also forbidden since you never use them?”
You said:
“You know you have lost the argument when all you can say is George Bush and Iraq War”
My actual argument: “Nope just the impact of NCLB and his tax cuts.”
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
===Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 20, 2009 3:36:30 PM===
Your actual argument was:
“You supported the Iraq War with little clue as to the cost other than knowing it would be alot. ”
To which I replied, you know you lost…
Posted by: Axey | July 20, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
I hope I’m wrong but i think this guy Obama’s going to put the USA down the drain in more ways that one. First, the bailout. He’ll bury us in debt. he trid to revive the real estate industry by basically giving homes to the first time home buyers. When these people lose their jobs they’ll be forclosed on just like the middle class was foclosed on. What makes him think the lower income folks can survive this recession more than the middle income. Secondly, he’s letting the muslim radicals freely recruit in this nation just as they did yesterday in Chicago.
Posted by: jake | July 20, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“One is forbidden to mention anything in the past even if we still pay for those actions today.”
Nice quote….
Now, for some reason it was ok to oppose bush on the war, but its not ok to oppose Obama on this foolish heathcare plan that is in congress!
Very nice to know where you stand!
Mabe those of us that oppose this foolishnees impostering as a healthcare plan would prefer to change the futrue now., rather than waiting for yet another immense expenditure to go bust!
Posted by: Mike_C | July 20, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
“Now, for some reason it was ok to oppose bush on the war, but its not ok to oppose Obama on this foolish heathcare plan that is in congress!”
I’ll bite.
Why was it ok to kill Iraqis who were no threat to us yet its horrific to pursue healthcare for all?
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
“Mabe those of us that oppose this foolishnees impostering as a healthcare plan would prefer to change the futrue now.”
Single payer?
Posted by: Ryan C | July 20, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
In just the past few days the Obama administration has done: 1) Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke asks Americans to pay for Chinese C02 emsissions; 2) included 15 millions illegal alines into government controlled health care; 3) allowed the voter registration of non-us citizens; 4) avoided the Birth Certificate issue by voiding Major Cook’s deployment orders; 5) had the waste and fraud in the Agriculture Department exposed in connection with the failed stimulus package; 6) sided with leftwing vote-steal Amaya in his bid to become a dictator for life in Honduras; 7) remained silent while Iranian thugs continue to rape, kill and oppress opponents of that filthy regime.
Posted by: BigVaska | July 20, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Pres Reagan: habitally late releasing reports
Pres Clinton: late releasing report
Pres Bush: late releasing report
Pres 0bama: [promised CHANGE and TRANSPARENCY, promised to NOT abide by the STATUS QUO] is going to be late releasing the report. EXCUSE: Pres Bush was late too.
Seriously, are those of you who voted for this marijuana-damaged-brain-doofus satisfied with all the CHANGES so far? I mean SERIOUSLY?
Posted by: Claire | July 20, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
“Now, for some reason it was ok to oppose bush on the war, but its not ok to oppose Obama on this foolish heathcare plan that is in congress!”
I’ll bite.
Why was it ok to kill Iraqis who were no threat to us yet its horrific to pursue healthcare for all?
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LOL,,,….so Ryan, its only ok in your opinion to voice your right to oppose something when it agrees with your views!
As I said, nice to know where you stand!
Also, I thought the idea was to REFORM healthcare, not just make it available, it is already “available”, its just like most things in life, you have to pick and choose what things are more important.
Let us assume you get your way.
What is a fair price for those 46 million to pay? $50/month? $100/Month? Also where is this beast of a bill does it address specific changes that will definitely control costs?
After that, what’s next…are we all going to be asked to suck it up again so everyone in America can have water food & shelter at a “fair & equitable” price? These are all certainly more important to the “general welfare” of the people than healthcare is.
By the way, Congress has not created anything … just 1000+ BS pages of an overblown guideline!
You do realize that in the bill from the house, all the really big decisions are left to the Sec. of Health & Human Services, don’t you?
simple example…
“(1) INITIAL STANDARDS- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall, through the rulemaking process consistent with subsection (a), adopt an initial set of benefit standards.
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Let’s see, this reference to the Secretary shows just how “FAST” we need healthcare….LOL! A ”guarantee” that by 18 months out from Obama putting pen to to paper on this, we will have *** an initial set of benefit standards *** !!!!!! Hurray for us! Oh, by the way, In sure all those people that are waitng for this thing will be happy to know its pr
Hurry Up & Wait!
If Bush or any Republican had proposed this all we would be hearing from you people is how this is just like Katrina! Slow & No Action! So where are those criticisms now from the left? (I mean I keep hearing how we have been “looking” at this problem for years upon years, yet we STILL do not have a plan of action on HOW to do this.)
Even some Dems are now leaning away from this plan.
Posted by: Mike_C | July 20, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Meanwhile, O’Blabla’s Treasury has ANOTHER big-bucks stonewall going on.
“In prepared testimony for a Tuesday hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Special Inspector General Neil Barofsky said the Treasury has rejected several recommendations for more transparency, including requiring all bailout recipients to explain what they are doing with their government funds.”
Can we look for Mr. Barofsky soon to meet the same fate as Mr. Walpin?
Posted by: Bet Noir | July 20, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
He gonna delay it huh? Nah… Not Mr. Transparency! No way! What an Obama Nation!
Posted by: TexBork009 | July 20, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Follow the money..who got twice the going rate for ham…who got the ham contract??
Posted by: Parallex View | July 20, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
The government never has to turn a profit just take our money to make up for losses and try to seize more power using tatics such as “rules for radicals” while they write laws in a back room and try to slam them through without letting everyone read them also using the media to stoke hatred of individuals and races getting the public to emotionally dwell on irrelevant subjects that are not really true while pretending to be vangards of that they want to destroy. You can see it by the replies here. And some want them to take over health care like they did the housing market, social security, and medicare?
Posted by: kenechi | July 20, 2009, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
sounds to me like he learned from the best “liar in thief” of all time ……….Reagan!!!
Posted by: dk | July 21, 2009, 3:32 am 3:32 am
Can I ask a question? Would Conservatives prefer the healthcare system we have with no changes what-so-ever? Is that what you people want? If things continue on their current pace, in the not too distant future healthcare will be so costly that it’ll be a whole lot more than those 46 million who won’t be able to afford insurance and then what? I’m sure then a lot of you will start whining how unjust the system is once it finally impacts you and your family…..
Posted by: dk | July 21, 2009, 3:37 am 3:37 am
Also, I thought the idea was to REFORM healthcare, not just make it available, it is already “available”, its just like most things in life, you have to pick and choose what things are more important. Posted by: Mike_C | Jul 20, 2009 4:43:07 PM
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Yes. Families make poor financial decisions every day. They buy things they don’t need and spend too much money at the local mini-mart because they don’t take the time to plan more than a day at a time. So I agree, paying for HC is a matter of what you are spending your money on.
That said, I imagine premiums can be quite high for families. I’m fortunate to have reasonable premiums. I do choose, however, to use my savings to pay for LTC since I do not care to end my life in a State run nursing home. Again: choices.
Getting premiums under control requires several things to happen, including reduction in practicing “defensive diagnosis” and tort reform. It’s too bad Republicans didn’t seize the opportunity to spend Bush’s first 4 years working on solutions. They would probably still be in power had they done that instead of spending like drunken sailors for 6 years.
I still think a public plan is not the answer and I don’t trust liberals to stop there.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 21, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am