Rahm: Inhofe, DeMint Support “Status Quo”

When Congress, all state and federal employees, all union members and the president and his family are subscribing to the public option, I’ll have a look. We all know, Rahmbo, the the public option is designed to kill private insurance except for Congress, state and federal employess and of course, the unions. And we all heard President Obama explain to us that he had a “private doctor” to take care of him. It’s good to be king.

The Democrats have clear majorities in both houses of Congress plus the presidency, and instead of writing, explaining, and enacting an agenda, they’re running around pointing at a comment on Oklahoma talk radio. They know their policies are no good, so they have no better option than try to demonize Republicans or browbeat them into voting for their disastrous bills so they share blame for their failure.
Get rid of the lot of them.

When all the Kings’ men and women are “forced” into the health plan they will prescribe for us, then I will go along willingly. But not until then!!
This may not be Barrys’ Waterloo but it is definitely his “Little Big Horn”!!

“I used to support President Barack Obama, but Barack Obama is a big, fat liar.”
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Sure you did.

Who cares what the republicans say, the democrats own the entire government right now. If they can’t get legilation passed it is because of party infighting and the influence of we the people.

Hey Emanuel, and all the other Marxist Chicago Thugs in DC: Real Americans want the status quo, meaning we want our freedom to choose. We have no intentions of supporting you and your scheme to become the Great Slavemaster of us all. Cheers for Senators Inhofe and DeMint!!!

Jim DeMint was wrong. Obama’s failure to advance health reform will not be his ‘Waterloo’. Rather, it will be his disrespecting our public safety personnel by calling the Cambridge police ‘stupid’ without having all the facts.

paige:”fix medicare/caid… open up clinics of sorts, for the uninsured. they can bring in their check stubs and pay a portion. i am fine with that… but stay AWAY from MY healthcare. ”
That is the gist of both programs. The Republican argument is that as soon as the government opens that clinic, every private employer will cancel the healthcare they offer employees because the clinic is cheaper (no need for profit) and just as effective. They don’t bother to mention that at current rate escalation, many employers will have to cancel healthcare regardless of whether there is a non-profit option.

“I used to support President Barack Obama, but Barack Obama is a big, fat liar.”
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Sure you did.
Posted by: danita | Jul 24, 2009 11:11:42 AM
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I never supported Barack Obama, and Barack Obama is a big, fat liar.

You haven’t noticed the multiple bills painfully debated, argued, publicized, and beaten into shape? Please.
Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 24, 2009 11:39:19 AM
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You mean like Obama’s insightfull presser where he basically said nothing other than take the blue pill… or was it the red pill?
I agree with the painful part though.

I thought Republicans were against publicly subsidized insurance plans, not clinics.
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I mean public insurance plans. Not subsidized.

Why do we only have 2 choices…how things are now or public option? There are plenty of bipartisan plans that sound more feasible. The bottom line is we can’t afford government taking over health care for everyone. If 70% are happy with what they have now then fix the problem of those who fall through the cracks. Come up with a plan that frees up insurance being tied to your employer. Give the power back to the individual. But then again…I’m sure there would be some sort of predatory insurance agents the government would have to protect us from because half of the country can’t make sound decisions on their own.

Yes Rohm, the status quo, about 90 percent do have health coverage. There are some who would rather have a flashy new car or smoke a couple packs a smokes a day rather than buy their policies and then there are millions of illegals that don’t have it but you want to cover because you know that their legal kin will vote for you. In addition you can hire thousands more federal and state employees who will forever be grateful to your party. Meanwhile those who are already reeling from loss of jobs and business will be bent over and reamed a little harder and forced into a medicare type system.

“Meanwhile those who are already reeling from loss of jobs and business will be bent over and reamed a little harder and forced into a medicare type system.”
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Tens of thousands of people who have lost their jobs have lost their health care. This is one of the many reasons why reform is needed.

“Polls say otherwise regarding public support for single payer.”
WHAT polls? What were the questions?
Wait. and. see.

lmao ABC CBS and NBC have become nothing but stenographers for Rahm Emmanuel.. all their ethics are out the window now.. they are having to prop up thier waterloo boy Barrack
how many think Rahm has made the calls to the Obama networks and said “STOP the Gates story now…..we’ll see tonight won’t we

Traffic Cop Timmy:”You mean like Obama’s insightfull presser where he basically said nothing other than take the blue pill… or was it the red pill?”
No, I mean the documented and publicly available bills, amendments, and analysis out of Congress and the CBO over the past two months. If you are just going off headlines and soundbites, clearly you don’t really care to know the details.

Tens of thousands of people who have lost their jobs have lost their health care. This is one of the many reasons why reform is needed.
This is why we need jobs, not more government.
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Of course we need jobs right now!
You think you can demand jobs from the government and they’ll instantaneously provide one for you?
There is a major economic crisis happening right now on a world level. Have you not noticed?

re: End of Life counseling, section 1233
We’ve seen the type of tactics used for abortion counseling. I suspect EOL counseling could easily follow the same pattern with the Liberals involved.

andy:”There are plenty of bipartisan plans that sound more feasible. ”
NAME ONE. Are you exaggerating (saying the options that make public option offerings contingent on continued poor private cost performance), or are you just flat out lying?

Republicans have publicly and STRONGLY come out against the clinic alternative, a UK style nationalized network of providers.
They’ve come out against every single option presented actually, except to do nothing, with the exception of tort reform that the CBO has repeatedly pointed out is negligible savings (states with tort reform in place for years already don’t see big cuts in costs or ‘defensive care’)and keep the status quo.
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OOooh. They aren’t against clinics, but they are against government control of most of the health network ala NHC. Very different.
Now…I’m not saying you are wrong about clinics in general, but do you have a specific proposal for clinics and condemnation by “The Republicans”?
What about existing clinics? Do Republicans condemn them too?
Republicans have come up with their own options. Saying their only option is to do nothing shows that you are paying as little attention as you accuse others of doing.

“They’ve come out against every single option presented actually, except to do nothing,”
Not entirely true, the “plan” they offered in May wanted to tax health care benefits received from employers so it seems they agree with that even as they lambast it in the bill under discussion in the House.

If ignorance was bliss . .. try to concentrate on one thing at a time so there is some element of logic and discussion.
Posted by: danita | Jul 24, 2009 1:00:45 PM
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Yawn…

DeMint has proposed a plan.
Many Republicans have discussed options they support.
Of course they aren’t going to introduce a bill, but that’s very different than saying they have no alternatives except the status quo.

“It does sound like the government wants to determine who lives and who dies.”
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Sounds a touch paranoid.

“Of course they aren’t going to introduce a bill, but that’s very different than saying they have no alternatives except the status quo.”
ROFLMAO!
So basically they will not offer an alternative because its much easier for them to shoot down any reform proposed than to have to defend any proposal.
Hence preserving the status quo.

Right now the private insurance system gives people a lot of choices. Even people with preexisting conditions can find insurance. However, if the gov takes over a so called “independent” board of bureaucrats will make the determination as to whether an individual is of “worth” to the political elite in DC and deny you care. With a one stop shop in government, you cannot opt out or sue, you might as well just start looking for your coffin if the government decides against you.

“Right now private insurers ‘determines who lives or dies.’ They won’t insure people with preexisting conditions, and fight tooth and nail against paying for expensive procedures.”
And we pay insurance companies top dollar for that privilege.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 24, 2009 1:42:45 PM
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So your goal is to still have someone else determine if you live or die but just pay less for the privilege?
And you’re going to pay lower rates after adding the uninsured and everyone with pre-existing conditions?
Oh, I forgot: taxpayers will help make it work.

President: check
House: check
Senate: check
Public: check
So what are they waiting for?

jhw539 (if that is your real name) I refer you to the wsj opinion piece – A Better Health Reform. I’m not going to retype an entire alternative.

The Republican water-carriers seem to think that letting this debate go over the recess is a win for them.
This view is a result of their insular culture, colored by the swarm of lobbyists currently taking up residence in the halls of congress.
During August, many of them are going to be returning to their districts, and they are going to be faced with their constituents, 3/4 of whom support a public option in the health care reform legislation.
Blue Dogs are trying to load up the bill with tons of pork by threatening to withhold their support, but they are eventually going to have to vote one way or the other.
The list of vulnerable Republican legislators (compiled by the Republican Party themselves) is growing by the day. They may claim success if they help to kill reform, but it will be a pyrrhic victory.

Blue Dogs storm out of meeting with Waxman… Stay tuned.

“That is their desire – to be completely in control of EVERY piece of our lives.”
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Sounds pretty paranoid.

Kind of like the stimulus that didn’t stimulate. Health reform won’t reform health. And Obama and Rahm aren’t in it for power. Heh.

I would like to know if everyone that is for this plan as being touted have read it? The plan stinks, it will lead to everyone being on a government plan eventually and the middle class paying. You don’t really think the upper income tax payers are going to foot the bill? By the time the accountants use all the loopholes, no one in the US will be making 300,000 and up.
Please read the 1000 page document before you decide to drink the koolaid.

The CBO says it will cost MORE, it will lead to a government run system according to the bill not allowing private insurance companies to sign up new customers. There will be people who will be rationed out of health care. What is there to be for in this bill. The Republicans are for Tort reform, opening competition among insurance companies….that is not status quo. Status quo is standing around accusing the side that’s trying to save the country from a huge, expensive, bankrupt healtcare system.

“before you decide to drink the koolaid.”
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Now that’s clever that koolaid thing! Did you make that up yourself?

Obama, Rahm, Nancy and Co. can take their Nationalized Health Care and stuff it. It is NOT going over with the majority of citizens in this country. We have seen how the government has handled Medicare until the fraud, corruption and abuse has all but BANKRUPTED the fund. The more sunlight that is shed on this Bill, the more it stinks like rotten fish. Hang in there, Blue Dogs and Repubs, America is behind you! We don’t want to turn over this nations economy to this Saul Alinsky Marxist!

I want government health care. The private system sucks the goverment system couldn’t be worst.

Flash Overdrive, haven’t heard a lot from you for a while, but lately you are popping up more and more. Good to see you back (and apologies if you’ve been posting all along and I just failed to notice your ‘byline’). I was interested in your reasoning in the following comment, but not persuaded.
Flash wrote: “The Republican water-carriers seem to think that letting this debate go over the recess is a win for them.” Well, I am one of those who definitely think having the vote delayed until after the recess and having the debate continue during the recess is a huge win for the Republican party and for those of us opposed to key parts of the Democratic plan, particularly the public option.
Flash continues, “This view is a result of their insular culture, colored by the swarm of lobbyists currently taking up residence in the halls of congress.” That line cracked me up. The Republicans in Congress are the only ones with an insular culture? I would say that most of the Washington power structure is pretty out of touch with the hinterland, and it does not come just from contact with the lobbyists, although of course lobbyists (of all persuasions) are a key part of the incestuous culture of DC.
Do you really think Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid have a good grasp of how ordinary citizens in Farmington, Michigan or Orlando, Florida, or even San Francisco, think? What really concerns them? What they really want and don’t want from their government? You think the Democratic leadership is in touch with the common man in a way the Republican leadership is not? Fascinating theory.
Flash continues, “During August, many of them are going to be returning to their districts, and they are going to be faced with their constituents, 3/4 of whom support a public option in the health care reform legislation.” It will be interesting to see which of us is right, Flash, because the impression I get is that a vast majority– I’ll be glad to take your 3/4 estimate– of their constituents are unalterably opposed to the public option. I have seen the reports of public forums where this discontent has been expressed in various parts of the country. I have talked to tons of people in my own district and know what sort of an earful our congressman will get when he arrives in the area.
Then Flash mentioned the Blue Dogs, writing, “Blue Dogs are trying to load up the bill with tons of pork by threatening to withhold their support, but they are eventually going to have to vote one way or the other.” WHOA there. There is no reason for that thoughtless smear of the Blue Dogs. These moderate Dems (yes, I am a huge fan of moderate Dems, just as I am of moderate Reps) are trying to negotiate for a bill that more closely matches their own values and interests. For example, many oppose a public plan without a trigger. So anyone who does not just blindly sign on to whatever Rahm E and Rep. Waxman cobble together is just fishing for pork? I am less cynical about the motivation of the Blue Dogs than you are, clearly.
Flash’s conclusion is, “The list of vulnerable Republican legislators (compiled by the Republican Party themselves) is growing by the day. They may claim success if they help to kill reform, but it will be a pyrrhic victory.” I’ll try again to bat down the basic misconception upon which you premise this statement, but I know that ardent supporters of the president’s reform ideas simply will not listen. MOST Republicans are not trying to kill ALL reform, just THIS particular version of reform. Most republicans in Congress are opposed to a public option, for example. They have numerous ideas about how to expand health care coverage, however, including the idea of creating pools for people to be able to get better rates for coverage– a pool for small businesses, for example, and a pool for individuals. Many Republicans are concerned with reforming the system to deal with the problem of preexisting conditions as well.
Just because someone is against the sort of plan the president has been barnstorming in support of does not mean that person wants to kill all attempts at reform. Perhaps, for example, the DeMint plan, the Health Care Freedom Plan (yeah, I love how politicians name their bills), could come up for a vote and get bipartisan support.

“He does not care what bill comes as long is named Healthcare reform , he will sign it.”
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Impossible to agree with this. On the President’s news conference the other night, it was clear he has some very specific visions for health care reform, some he is willing to compromise on, some he is not.

You need to get your facts straight Bush never inherited a surplus when he took office, Clinton was a big spender also. The budget is a strange animal and the politicians play games with it to make things look good, the real indicator is the debt owed by the government which has continuously increased over the last 70+ years.
Each year a portion of the budget goes to pay the interest on the government debt, as the debt grows the interest is growing also and at the current rate it won’t be much longer until we reach a point where more than 50% of the budget will be nothing but interest payments. When Bush did in eight years Obama is on track to double in less than four years. At the current rate of spending (which has significantly increased under the present administration) our tax revenue will pay for nothing other than the interest on the debt owed by the government. In the first year that the debt was recorded (1789) the debt was 75.46 Million dollars and when Barack Obama took office (January 20 2009) it was 10.62 Trillion dollars. In his first 170 days in office Obama has increased the debt of the government by 901.25 Billion dollars. At this rate he will increase the debt of the Government by 1.82 Trillion dollars in his first year alone and 7.74 Trillion dollars by the end of his 4 year term in office. If he is elected for a second term with the same rate of spending then the government debt will increase by 15.48 Trillion dollars. Since the debt owed by the Government was 10.6 Trillion dollars when he took office an additional 7.74 Trillion will almost double the debt in just 4 years to 18.34 Trillion dollars and at the end of his second term it will have increased to an unthought of 26.08 Trillion dollars.
Looking at history James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford Hayes, Chester Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover accomplished the one thing that no administration since 1933 has accomplished and that is to reduce the government debt while in office. All other Presidents have increased the government debt during their term of office. Who had the biggest change you ask? In order of magnitude (percentage of change as over the years the actual numbers have increased so the only fair method is to look at the percentage of change during each administration) they are:
1. Abraham Lincoln (2,959% increase, Civil War years)
2. Martin Van Buren (1,558% increase, Andrew Jackson had reduced the debt by over 99% during his preceding terms)
3. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1,147% increase, WW II)
4. Woodrow Wilson (822% increase)
5. James Polk (395% increase)
6. James Buchanan (315% increase)
7. Ronald Reagan (286% increase)
8. James Madison (216% increase)
9. George W. Bush (185% increase
10. Gerald Ford (147% increase)
This is the top 10 so the next question to answer is where did William Clinton rank among the Presidents who had an increase in the government debt during their time in office? William Clinton had an increase of 136% in office which ranked as number 13 (not a ranking to be proud of). Where would Barack Obama rank if his administration continues the rate of spending we have experienced to date? Barack Obama at the current rate of spending would have an increase of the federal debt to the tune of $194% which would rank him as number 9 on the list of top ten ahead of George W. Bush. This data is all verifiable from the Department of the Treasury website, just Google “government debt” and it will lead you to the right area.

danita: “President’s news conference the other night, it was clear he has some very specific visions”
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I don’t know HOW he could have any specific ideas on the written health care plan(as now presented)when he couldn’t even recall the provision on auto. enrollment of the nat. run plan. Re: quest. asked of gentleman from the state of Maine and Pres. response was “I am not familiar with that portion of the bill”. I would suggest he GET familiar and soon, BEFORE he asks the public to sign on. I will campaign against ANYONE who votes on a bill with NO actual policy specifically stated. You don’t pass an outline ( or a “wish list”) and then fill in the lines later. That is just “stupid” (a term freely used by the Pres.).

The bill STINKS! I can call lmy Doctor and get an appointment THAT day if I’m sick. 24 to 49 days just to get an appointment? Please email and support the Bluedog democrats. Just say NO!

Support the bluedog democrats? How about support the REpublicans who have consistently had a better plan. Look at what McCain’s plan had going and got shot down by idiotic biased press. Do the Dems even realize we’re in a terrible recession. They’re prolonging a bad recession for their own benefit. It’s unconscionable. Absolutely terrible.

Chris and any other Democrats:
Please read: A REPUBULICAN ADMINISTRATION ran up the national budget under Bush from surplus to a RECORD DEFICIT. THE REPUBLICANS left this nation BANKRUPT and jobless. Republicans have done NOTHING but work to stall any type of meaningful healthcare reform in this nation. Your side is Fox Noise, Rush, and the Right Smear and Lie Machine. You people, The Republicans, ran up a bill you can’t pay, and now this small window Democrats have Congress and the Presidency, an opportunity that offers them the chance to make meaningful changes in Healthcare, you SCREAM Obama will ruin us. THE DEBT IS YOUR FAULT REPUBLICANS. So do your fear, and lies, and confusion. You make me sick.
This is the history of our country and any others you want to know about. Debt has been a landmark of Administrations since the beginning of time. We incur debt, and then we sell our debt through bonds who than become essentially shareholders (bondholders). The debt is wiped off our books in essence thus creating a ‘balanced book’. However the debt is not paid in full until it is paid in full. It is not a Republican problem or a Democratic problem, it is a National problem. Just because Clinton and everyone else says they have a balanced budget does not mean we don’t have debt. It is just absorbed through ‘the markets’ and debt is still floating around out there until it is paid off.
Get off this subject once and for all, and lets start working together because this is a WE problem, and it has legs that go back along way. Any economists out there that want to dispute this, I would be anxious to hear your side of it?

Like Rahm does not also support the “Status Quo” except for big banks and destroying the middle class.