Rep. John Dingell: Health Care Bill Will Impose New Tax on Wealthy; Dems Can’t Afford ‘Judgmental Errors’

The top earners in this country should pay for everyone else’s healthcare coverage…. After all, they are only paying 85% of all taxes collected right now to begin with. And that is not enough.

And we’ll be stealing MORE with Obama!!! Heh, heh, heh!!!

Tax the rich!!!

The rich will stop hiring people, expanding businesses, and giving to charities as they are forced to give more to Obama and his socialist goons. Meanwhile, unemployment will continue to rise and our GDP will shrink. Good job Obama; you’re destroying the economy with your eyes wide open.

What does rep. Dingell care?? He’s so old, he won’t be around when this Bill is implemented.
What a crock. I work in the employment industry, and this isn’t going to help anything…. Way to go Dimbocrats!!!!

They said a small increase for those making over $350,000 a year…What do you suggest, raising taxes on people making $30,000 a year? Something has to be done.
Posted by: Barb
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Who makes $350,000 a year? Corporations do. The very corporations that hire the poor and the middle class.
Just where do think the corporations are going to get the money to pay the tax? They’re either going to raise prices on their products or they’re going to lay off workers, that is middle class and POOR workers.
With unemployment at 9 percent already because of the tax rise Obama put into place, more unemployment will certainly be a wonderful thing, right Barb?
There IS another way. I say we try to improve the health care system that we already have.

US financial collapse will be here by late 2012. Be Ye Also Ready!!!

Joe had it right. A re-distribution of wealth. The only thing Obama missed was that he said it would be better if more people had money to use joes services under his plan but he did not realize that the rich will still have money while they lay your poor butt off. Good luck with the socialism thing.

Here’s a wild and crazy thought… Make the politicans (even Obama’s cabnet memebers) PAY THEIR TAXES!!!! There, problem solved!
Oh wait, I can just hear it now: “If we do that, we won’t get quality people to figure out how to make YOU pay even MORE!!! Ahh, I see, I see.
Apparently to be a “good” Democrat, or even a Republican these days, the first step is a lobotomy!!!
Why spend all that money educating your brain, if you NEVER intend to USE it!!!

As one of the rich, I don’t mind paying more taxes than the poor. What I do mind is paying for health treatment for people who are wilfully fat, eat fast foods, won’t exercise, and drink sodas. How about a user tax on junk food and sodas to pay for health care? Or consider a tax on the manufacturers of unhealthy foods and polluters, since they cause most of the health problems.

A “modest increase” of high bracket earners is a fine idea but there remains a great deal of potential tax revenue that could be realized by taxing passive wealth. The rich don’t really “need” it and could stand a 1 and half precent tax on personal wealth, including, but not limited to, real property, stocks, bonds, and “hidden ‘overseas’ assets”.
Let’s got creative!

A “modest increase” of high bracket earners is a fine idea but there remains a great deal of potential tax revenue that could be realized by taxing passive wealth. The rich don’t really “need” it and could stand a 1 and half precent tax on personal wealth, including, but not limited to, real property, stocks, bonds, and “hidden ‘overseas’ assets”.
Let’s got creative!

Dingle was removed as Chairman of the Energy an Commerce Committee because he stymied efforts over the years to get the car companies to improve mileage. Now he is the architect for health care. Look where the auto industry is now and think where health care will be. There really needs to be a retirement age for Congress.

And what is the latest Democratic definition of the ‘Rich’?

More of the same old ‘divide and conquer’ class politics. Nothing has changed much.

What is laughable is that most of the richest people in America are Democrats. I wonder what they are thinking now about their boy Obama?

Dear Leader Chairman Maobama has not figured out how to make the poor rich, but he has figured out how to make the rich poor. What happens when they determine that the extra taxes on the so called rich isn’t enough? They are turning the US into a third world country.

To: scott jeffries | Jul 14, 2009 4:53:12 PM
Ummm, in case you haven’t noticed the recession, they decided to hold off on rolling back the tax cuts. How are we deeper and deeper in debt? Barely any of the stimulus $$ (less than 10%) has even been spent, yet. And quite a lot of the bailout money has been repaid with interest.

Oh wait one more thing, many of these Democrats who used to be hippies, in the 60′s wasnt the chant “stick’n it to the man!” Iguess your contigents never asked who that man was, they were probably thinking the govt and big business. Well you sure pulled a good bait and switch because it looks like your “stick’n it to the man” alright, the little guy who you promised to help. Paraphrasing what sadncrab1612 said, making the poor, poorer and the rich poor.

Why not heck, the rich had no problem with handing over their money to Bernie Madoff. At least this way it will go to some good use!

The same rich folks that got tax breaks under Bush and bolted for India/Mexico? Tax them to their demise.

Tax the rich!!! Oh wait, that’s my boss, who will lay me off if he’s taxed any further. Don’t tax the rich!!!

I’m surprised. I’ve been the biggest opposer of the democrats’ approach to healthcare, but this is actually good.
All they’re doing is doing away with medical insurance underwriting. This only means that the insurance company will have to pool everyone together into one big group. They’re already doing that anyway with employer group insurance. This will allow people the choice to stay with your plan, or test the open market.
Believe it or not, this program will actually create jobs. Small businesses will be exempt from this insurance requirement. That’s good because they provide 75% of jobs in the U.S. This means that they don’t have to provide insurance at a cost of thousands per person to hire and retain qualified people. Qualified people can buy comparable insurance on the open market. The savings can be used to expand and create more jobs. I’m not sure what the republicans are complaining about.

And the loony-left d-crat socialist rip-off of Americans continues….
Tuesday, 14 July 2009, Washington, D.C.:
“House Democrats on Tuesday unveiled their proposal for a sweeping health care bill that would require all Americans to buy insurance.
House Democrats want to require individuals and employers to get health insurance — or pay a penalty.
For individuals, the penalty would be 2.5 percent of income — but it could go no higher than the average cost of health insurance.
The penalty for employers would be much higher — 8 percent of a worker’s wages — with an exemption for small businesses. Business groups are strongly opposing an employer requirement.”
And WHAT WILL YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS MANDATED INSURANCE? Estimates are from $2000 – $4000 PER PERSON – except , of course, for the slugs, slackers, losers and deadbeats that make up the loony-left d-crat party – their insurance will be provided from HIGHER TAXES on hard-working, taxpaying American citizens.
Americans must take back our country from the incompetent and irresponsible loony-left d-crat socialists who are goose-stepping the country down their “Road to Hell”.

I keep reading a bunch of crap about how the corporations are going to close up shop and lay everyone off. What a but of nonsense. They’ve already laid off as many people as they can, since workers are *only* hired in order to expand a business, and most companies already consist of skeleton crews. Also, unless Obama taxes just about all their earnings, they’re still better off in business than not. This rubbish which keeps spewing out of the mouthes of Republicans is just baseless threats to scare people.

These are the same folks who promised no taxes on anyone earning less than 250,000 bucks, now thats a crock. And they promised no lobbyists in the White House, now thats a crock. And they promised to get our troops out of Iraq while they ramp up the war in Afghanistan. When have these Washington BOZO’S ever-ever been right about anything. Go ahead you sheep and follow them anywhere.

Just how many “rich” people do we have?
If you propose taxing them 50% of what they make they won’t be “rich” anymore. Then who is going to pay for Welfare and other social programs.?

The dirty little secret is that every time taxes are raised on the rich, revenues are ALWAYS less than expected.
Why? The rich are rich because they’re not stupid. If history is any guide, they’ll shelter more income, reduce investment in their businesses, or move their businesses out of the U.S. to more tax-friendly countries. All of these actions will kill American jobs.
Just what we need in the middle of a deep recession with record unemployment, right?
This year’s economy is sunshine and lollipops compared to what’s coming next year. Hooray for the Party of Yes!

The idea is to tax them just enough so that they still have a gap between themselves and the middle-class but a smaller one than they currently have.

i am one of the rich – i live in ny. i pay 35% plus in income tax – max social security tax, medicare and medicade. i pay school tax, local tax, and “miliionaire tax” – which is 1% of your homes value when you buy it. in essenece – the government gets 1 dollar for every dollar i earn. i started by making $15,000 a year and work 60 hours a week. i’m suggesting anyone should feel sorry for me – but at some point it is more lucrative for me to stop working. then the governement will lose $200,000 plus in income from my work – and the non-rich willbe picking up the tab. people need to pay their “fair share.” i pay mine – do you pay yours?

I say, if the rich try to move their companies out of the country, nationalize ‘em and take them away. “Too big to… go overseas!”

Oh I forgot to mention tax cheat Geithner who runs the treasury and the long list of unelected and unacountable Czars Obama has who are pulling the strings with no one to answer to but Crowned Prince Obama…

That’s right, tax the rich! That way they wont have any money left to give of us who work for them a raise.

so did you here about the congressmen who when asked why they had shuch good health care, told the question asker, he could get a job with the federal government?(only even they don’t get it after 8 years)

Wow…. all those WAAAAAAY overpaid athletes will now contribute something besides their muscles.

Redistribution of wealth has NEVER worked. What makes you libs think it will now?

As usual the media, which by the way is owned by the wealthy, seems to have amnesia when it comes to the fact that the poor already pay a much higher tax rate than the rich. How convenient that the wealthy pay a lower tax rate than the poor. That way they get to keep more while the poor get poorer. We already have “means tests” for the poor why not extend the privilege to those with more. That is what Obama is proposing. Wow! what a radical idea – equality that is applied to everyone. Oh, I almost forgot. In America we SELL injustice to the rich and force it on the poor. In our present corporate dumbed-down society, propaganda is accepted as the best truth we can buy.

I love how everyone treats rich people like they are “great Americans”… and then, out of the other side of their mouths say, if you don’t offer them a deal on taxes, they will shop for a new country.
If all America is to them is cheap taxes… then maybe they are the kind of people who will lay Americans off to hire sweatshop workers in third world countries. Maybe they ONLY care about money. Maybe, to them, America is just a business transaction.

We will see how many of these morons are around after the 2010 elections. I would venture to guess that BHO will have a very difficult time passing more bills to redistribute wealth and moving us to a socialist nation. He is a fraud and those that voted for him are idiots for buying his change lie. Those that continue to follow him without question and drink the kool-aid have no business claiming to be Americans. Anything but, selling their souls for nothing. In three years I fear to think what our country will look like. After BHO has finished his wrecking of our country, I pray that their will be enough left to finish. If he wrecks our country enough and their is trouble in the streets, Marshall Law and suspended elections and freedoms — BHO becomes king, dictator, or even his favorite appointment title, CZAR. If you think I am crazy – keep thinking that. If I’m wrong, nothing ventured – nothing gained. If I’m right – will there be enough to take our country back.
“Give me liberty of give me death.” That phrase will separate the men from the boys.

It is about time that people that make more money than they know what to do with, use drugs, steal from the poor and most of all have great paying jobs, while the rest of use with college degrees can’t find employment that you can make more than $8.00 per hour with no health care, pay the piper.

for all those who want to tax the rich more – what number would you consider “fair?” 40%? 50% 60%? 38% seems quite indulgent from a government that live within its means if you ask me

US GOVERNMENT: we can’t live within our means – but you it seems like you have been responsible and worked hard. now we are going to take it from you – so we can keep living not within our means and prop up companies and individuals who don’t live within tehir means. thanks for all your hard work – we’ll be back for more later!. oh – and by the way – we hate you because you’re wealthy and are going to bad-mouth you in the press and instigate class warfare – talk to you later!

In reading the WSJ, the part of this that scares me is the employer tax on payrolls to fund health care. 2% to 8% of payroll dollars to fund it. this is more than the salary of some folks. I would imagine companies might have to cut workers to afford coverage to meet the Federal government’s definitions.
Where is the individual repsonsibility. If they think they are going to see savings from preventive care think again. our small company offers low co-pays, free vaccines, free labs, low drug co-pays. less than 20% of our insureds take advantage of the preventive care options.

It seems like the only people who are going to suffer under the government plan are the middle class… and even they won’t suffer very much.
But the majority of people would benefit enormously from a more efficient, low cost health care system.
I guess the people who are against it are kind of like abortion supporters… everyone knows that killing a baby is bad for them, but you always got a handful of people who don’t care, and, who are going to insist, not only on their right to “chose”, but on their “right” to make everyone else watch them kill unborm babies.
Stubborn and foolish as a matter of principle… they want to choose the worse option over the better option to get their own way. Even if it means everyone else has to suffer for their obstinate opinions.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class.
That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.
All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
This, in a nutshell, is why liberals are idiots.

My suggestion to overhaul the health care system would be to create a general fund that rich celebrities and rich Democratic senators and their suppporters could pay into voluntarily that would be used to help those that need help pay for insurance coupled with an effort to make insurance affordable for those that elect to get insurance outside of their employer.

Actually they need to bring healthcare cost into check. No more 10 thousand a day for an ICU or 75 thousand for a prosthetic limb.

Unemployment nears 10% and we must reform a health care system NOW. We have survived for years with it and now taxes must be raised during a recession to fix it NOW. Mr. President get the economy back on track before solving all our problems. The economy is the problem NOW.

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And what happens when they run out of stones to bleed?

This teaches a valuable lesson. Do not educate yourself, do not work hard, do not try to make a better life for your children. Drop out of school, go on welfare, get the state to pay for your kid’s health care, have more kids to earn more welfare, get a tax rebate for not paying taxes, blame government for your situation, pass lesson to next generation. Socialism = the death of the American dream. Land of Opportunity, nope land of freeloaders.

Had we not wasted untold billions (trillions?) on a stupid and unecessary war and bailed out irresponsible bankers we might have enough money so that those who actually did what they were supposed to (went to school, got good jobs or started companies) wouldn’t have to bail everyone else out.
As a lifelong democrat, I always thought the ‘tax and spend’ label was unfair…. still better than the untax and spend $ we don’t have philosophy of the rich… but now, I wonder.
The saddest part is that I suspect that any additional funds paid by any tax payer (regardless of income) is going to service the debt we already owe. And for anyone who has dealt with credit card debt, you know how depressing it is to pay now and in the future for the fun you had long ago.

Well you at least are showing some signs of life Ichris. However, I guess if we didn’t waste all that money on the ‘second Iraq war’ – the one you guys never complain about, the one that saw Clinton launch the largest air assault in world history on Iraq (so he could avoid boots on the ground, but still look tough to his fans)…he managed to drop more than 4000 smart bombs on Iraq and used our entire fleet supply of cruise missiles. And ironically, the reasoning and speeches he gave were nearly verbatim to Bush’s…oh but try not to remember that, it makes life much easier in the echo chamber.

I think we should tax alcohol, cigs and legalize marijuana to pay for our health care system. Whatever is left over leave for the rich. With better health care in the beginning we will lower health care cost over all in the long run.

We as a country are in deep trouble. Expert independent analysts are now calling for 13% unemployment and to remain at those high levels for years and that was before these Liberal tax proposals on small businesses were discussed to pay for a health care plan that will worsen the best system in the world. I don’t remember the 70′s since I was too young but I’ve read it wasn’t a time of economic prosperity. Unfortunately we are going to revisit the 70′s because everything Carter did Obama is doing it on steroids.

Well, get used to the recession, folks – it’s going to be with us for a long, long, time!
How can the people in Washington think they could possibly want to keep on adding taxes and I will still hold on to my businesses.
Its better for me to sell or liquidate – and to hold onto the cash. Its certainly not worth doing business anymore. And I’m not the only one who will drop things left and right. Its now the reinstatement of the Bush cuts and a surcharge. That’s several percent off a very slim bottom line.
Congress will have to live with this one for a long time! So will the American people.

We need universal health care now. The relentless and multi-layered scare tactics and propaganda being spread by the pharmaceutical and insurance industry lobbies are proof of that to anyone with half a brain. As it stands today, they fully control health care in this country, and their only priority is profit, not the physical and financial security and well-being of average Americans. The US government, despite its faults, is the only entity with the power to stand up to the greed and say enough is enough. Employers cannot continue to afford the ridiculous costs of healthcare benefits, that is one large reason so many have moved jobs overseas, and is certainly why so many are choosing to staff with part-time employees. A single-payer plan would not only realistically address the problem of 45 million Amercians with no coverage, it would also reduce this burden and encourage businesses to hire more full-time employees at decent wages here in the US. No one believes that the top 5%wealthy are paying the share of taxes they should even today, because they can afford to hire skilled people to find ways to make sure they don’t, as well funding powerful lobbies to protect their financial interests. While I personally have very little empathy for their tax plight, I also believe the wealthy will end up benefiting as much as anyone from universal health care in the respect that their overhead costs of doing business will be significantly reduced, whether they choose to provide coverage or not. If they do provide private insurance coverage, the muscle power of the national plan to push costs down to a more reasonable and sensible level will save them on premiums. And a national plan might actually mean that every business will not be expected to be in the business of health care, which was a misplaced burden to start with, and that they could actually concentrate on running their businesses instead. There is a cost to all of us today for the 45 million Americans who have no insurance and still need care, but no one wants to deal with it in a sensible way. Nothing about our healthcare system makes sense, and that is why the majority of Americans are demanding that it be changed now.

I am amazed by these comments. I agree with just about everything everyone has said. Thank you everyone for posting your comments. This government take over of our health system is going to break this country. I waited for 1.5 hrs last week to get a driver’s license and all I could think of was the future of health care. Lines – Lines as far as the eye can see. Is this the USA or the USSR?

Once again the term “socialism works perfect until you run out of everyone else’s money” comes to mind.
Rich folks make up less than 5% on the US population. Stop dreaming, wake up, realise that EVERYONE….will pay for this bill.
EVERYONE will be affected by it’s enormous costs. If you tax the guy who owns the local McDonalds, because you think he’s “rich”………he will simply raise the price he charges YOU to pay for it.
What’s happened to personal responsibility and self accomplishment in this country? Has it all been sold out for a new marxist empire that decides when and if you or your grandma will be able or not to get medical attention?
We already have the greatest most affective healthcare system in the world, that’s why the Canooks and others come here when they’re turned down for cancer treatments back home because the “rich” don’t have any more money in their country.

“I get really tired of hearing all the GOP “Dems on welfare” garbage, when actually comparatively few Americans receive public assistance, and the in reality the cost of social services for individuals and families amount to an extremely small percentage of our government’s expenditures.”
In 2008, “Safety Net Programs” comprised about 11% (or $313 billion) of the federal budget. This does not include health insurance or Social Security.
Source: Congressional Budget Office

Dingell wants to do for the U.S. what he and his union cronies have done for Michigan, give everyone a 14.5% unemployment rate. Good job you selfish old fart.

What hasn’t been reported is that the Dems plan on moving a large number of people into Medicade. The problem is that Medicade is a program where the majority of the funding comes from the states not the federal government. The result is that the federal plan will look like it is not that expensive and they will have to increase some taxes but not all while the states (many of which are already cash strapped) will have to come up with the money so your state taxes will be the one with the big increase.

I noticed that all the sources in the story are Democrats in support of the issue. How is that for fair and balanced. It is closer to propaganda. Way to go abc.