Jul 26, 2009 10:42am
Roundtable: Obama Sparks Race Debate
Did the Cambridge police act “stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates? Was the President smart to say so? Can this be the “teachable moment” Obama wants?
Lots of fodder for today’s Roundtable with George Will, Donna Brazile, Paul Krugman, Arianna Huffington and David Brooks:
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When Donna talked of how her brothers were taught to obey the officers I wanted to scream “WHO SHOULDN’T!!! For cryin’ out loud! We can’t get past the race issue because we can’t stop talking about it. Ask the 72 year old WHITE Grandma that was tasered if EVERYONE should listen & obey the officer!
Posted by: kw smith | July 26, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
These people on the roundtable don’t have a clue. Is this the best ABC can do? Time to replace the people on the roundtable. Time for Change….vote out those who do not have a clue.
Posted by: Larry | July 26, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Did the Cambridge police act “stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates? …Yes.
Was the President smart to say so? …Why shouldn’t he say so? A little more honesty, something that Obama is not notable for either, might actually help us get to the root of problems and find a solution instead of just making nice and trying to smooth things over so that we can ignore it.
Can this be the “teachable moment” Obama wants? …Unlikely. See George Will for case in point. Sorry Mr. Will, you tied that little bow tie too tightly for too many years and it clearly affected the circulation to your brain.
Posted by: jan | July 26, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
1st time comment. This Week only Sun. am show I will watch (exception c-span). Today’s panel excellent! Great program (I did have mute on for the two pols)! Perfect Panel! Excellent discussion. And I am going to pay more attention to A. Huffingtion.
PS I also like Fareed Zarkaria.
Posted by: Theresa Mullen | July 26, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
I’m listening to your conversation about the Gates incident and all the racial allegations, prisms, potential interprestations, etc.
Where is the conversation about the fact that neither of the two men started the situation. The police were responding to a call from a neighbor trying to protect the community.
(An innocent, or maybe racist, neighbor called the police to protect Mr. Gates property. Why is it that this neighbor didn’t recognize Mr. Gates as her neighbor. Is there a problem there – weak community, etc, etc…
Posted by: Connie | July 26, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Today’s Round Table was poorly balanced. George Will made the only valid points re:Gates issue. I expected more from Donna B. than recounting past history and speaking in generalities.
In general, AHuffingto has to GO! She is irritating, makes rash incorrect statements, and hogs the discussion! She adds nothing to the group.
Posted by: JMarshall | July 26, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Are people seriously having a discussion about one question that was completely off topic for the press conference? This was a press conference about healthcare reform. I long ago learned to not underestimate the stupidity of the general populace, but to sit back and watch people get distracted from the real topic as a result of a person who asked the most off topic question of the month, then watch people talk about this off topic question and then watch ABC News go on about this ridiculous circus of a off topic question, well, that just makes me want to vomit. Is race really the issue, or is it the beyond broken healthcare system in this country? I guess healthcare just isn’t as good for TV as some “race issue”.
Posted by: Travis | July 26, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
George Will has a right to his opinion. I don’t agree with any of his opinions, not on this program or in Newsweek. I think he wishes for a different reality and doesn’t have a clue about what is really happening. Sorry, Mr. Will, but I think we need to see Pres. Obama as often as he is willing to talk to us, and maybe a little less of you, sir.
Posted by: jeanne | July 26, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
I love the people who say that the Cambridge Police acted “stupidly”. If you are not a police officer and do not know the policies who are you to judge. Police Officers do not walk into your place of work and tell you how to do your job. As a wife of a Deputy, I am very offended over the responses I read. These men give their life to protect you! They protect you whenever you need them! It is sad that my husband may help someone who gives him no respect and believes that “ALL” police officers racially profile. I would like to say… If you are not doing something wrong.. You WILL NOT be arrested. It is an amazing theory but very true. IT IS NOT THE PRESIDENTS JOB TO TELL A POLICE OFFICER HOW TO DO HIS… he has way to much on his plate right now to be stepping over the boundaries!!!
Posted by: Kristin | July 26, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
read the police report the guy was told to calm down countless times the police did their job quit the race card and we can get along
Posted by: patrick | July 26, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I continually tune in to This Week for honest balanced debate and am continually surprised at how unbalanced and disconnected the guests and “Round Table Experts” are from the majority of Americans. The “experts” should try riding along with a police officer in Washington DC for a full shift and try getting a different perspective of police work…
If you haven’t read the police report and are commenting based on what the president said alone then you have only one side of the story and are only looking to justify your own inherent beliefs. Don’t be so quick to pull the race card… The arresting officer actually taught classes in the past on how to avoid racial profiling!
Posted by: Common Sense | July 26, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
How dare Huffington point at George Will and say he is not a typical American!!! Mr. Will expresses my views perfectly. You have him outnumbered on your show so that he is out shouted by the rest.
Posted by: R. Chandler | July 26, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
the president spoke the truth from the perch of most African Americans. We need to face the truth about america. We love this country , but sterotypes and bias still exist. Yes, Prof Gates should have been more polite and not fan the flames, BUT I ask you all to put yourself in this man’s shoes. He just got off a long international flight, his NEIGHBORS called the police to report a crime by him in his HOME!! Then the Officer who has the gun, handcuffs ,badge and a threat of jail get annoyed because he is hostile and puts on the hancuffs!!! Even I think I would have lost my temper. I think the President expressed an honest opinion based on where he has been. we need more honest debate of issues to get to a longer term resolution.
Posted by: Vallerie | July 26, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
As a police supervisor, I can say to all those inclined to speak about this issue. We were not there, so really don’t know what happened. All we are hearing is what the media has spun on it. Unless and until all of the facts are released we should keep our counsel. As for the President making a opublic apology for his “stupid” comment. Ithink he should, after all, if he is willing to bow to the King of SAudi Arabia, he can apologize to all police officers in this country.
Posted by: Joe | July 26, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
to G.Will: Have you ever returned at night with your black friend, parking in front of your house, turning the engine off to have a brief conversation before heading to your door, to be surrounded by 2 police cars and interrogated? the police telling your friend (also a college professor-who graduated from Harvard) to either take the (quiet) conversation inside or leave? This happened in Galesburg, IL (I believe you have spoken there, Mr. Will) approx. 10 yrs. ago. Then you know we need to have a discussion. Recognition is half the cure, ..a professional grandmother suggesting eyes wide open….
Posted by: Susan Latta | July 26, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
i do not think the race issue is one that we can just put aside. and i truly believe that when we put it aside and then it arises in small issues such as those this week, it only makes the problem stronger.
i hate when people say that there are more minorities in the jails. the majority of those people jail time has nothing to do with racial profiling but rather with actions they are guilty of. i believe the underlying question is “why are minorities always the ones commiting crimes” – the answer, as i believe, is lack of education. majority of criminals are not only minorities but they have grown up in poor, broken up families, and therefore miss out on education.
poor neighborhoods do not have the same education as more affluent neighborhoods. what young girl graduating college, as a teacher, wants to teach in a poor, run down, violent neighborhood? none. and it is up to the government, and community leaders to make sure that those children in those neighborhoods get a fair and safe education.
i believe all issues solve themselves, and i do believe “we will overcome” BUT i also believe the issues lies within the education system.
Posted by: monica | July 26, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
If I was arrested in my own home, my conduct would be “disorderly” too, regardless of who arrested me. Forget race….the arrest was plain stupid!! PERIOD!!
Posted by: James | July 26, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
This was obviously NOT a racial incident. The officer was not a racist. Mr gates was upset and embarassed.The police did what police do.Bothe sides acted stupidly.
If Coversation should be sparked it should be on runaway testosterone,or how to get the police to respond next he calls them to his home.
Posted by: susan | July 26, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am
I am most disgusted with the media. Every press conference the president has held, some reporter has asked a “race question”. Seems to always take the attention off the important issues at hand and in my opinion fans the flames of racial division. I’d like to think America elected Barack Obama because they shared his ideals for our country and believed in his character. Not because “he’s black like me” or “by voting for him, I atone for my countries racist history”…
Posted by: Marta | July 26, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Donna Brazille needs to understand that we whites are also taught and have learned not to mess with cops….when one talks back, or mouths off at police we also get in trouble…not just blacks and we whites are sick and tired of being made to feel like we are racist when we are no such thing.
Posted by: Jenna, NYC | July 26, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am
The reporters are acting stupidly. I am a white male and I had a similar situation happen to me. Your first response is that ‘this is my home’ and you get defensive. But then you need to remember they are the police and they are doing their job. They don’t know you and they are there to defend you and them at the same time. It is a very difficult job. Be polite and cooperate. The President has not apologized but only made excuses.
Posted by: Michael | July 26, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Professor Gates was a jerk. If he had any class, he would have thanked the police for checking to make sure his home was safe and secure.
Posted by: Jenna, NYC | July 26, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
The Gates issue is about one thing: Race. And it’s about race b/c Gates, first, then Obama made it about race. Gates accused the police of racial profiling and Obama backed him up. If Obama’s heart is with Gates and other blacks that feel they are unfairly targeted by police, fine. I don’t agree that the incident was in any way race-related but for Obama to try and turn this into a “teachable” episode is ridiculous. What is there to learn from/teach about the incident? An angry man got arrested by the police. That’s it. The same thing will happen 1,000 times before today is over.
And BTW, no one seems willing to address the fact that according to everyone else at the scene (including a black officer and a hispanic officer), Gates is lying about the events leading to his arrest.
Posted by: James | July 26, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
George Will is my favorite anachronism.
Posted by: jeff | July 26, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Wars have been started for imagined slights such as these.
Posted by: susan | July 26, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
My father and the father’s of most of my friends always said if you are pulled over be respectful yes sir no sir and do as you are told. This is not just for black brown or green. I have told my sons the same. What makes people think because they are purple they are profiled. This is just ignorant justification for mouthing off. Cops are cautious in circumstances and you never know what that mightbe.
Posted by: Hawk | July 26, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Get real people. He was in his own house. How many of you would have smiled and said “no problem” if it happened to you? Not many, I’d bet.
Posted by: jan | July 26, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Donna did say one thing that was correct: We have yet to have an honest discussion on race. What she didn’t add was the discussion has to include racism on both sides. Blacks are just as racist as whites. That’s a discussion I’d like to hear.
Posted by: Jan | July 26, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Thank you George Will for being the only intelligent person on the roundtable today. The others are clearly living in a fantasy world and just cannot see because of their blind faith in Barrack Obama.
Posted by: Nan | July 26, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
To Susan,
Love your sentiment, but only your country can atone for state sponsored slavery and discrimination.
Posted by: jeff | July 26, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
The cops ask people to come on the front porch or away from the house for their own protection. If someone is in the house this gets them away from harm. How can the media and President be so naive in commenting on the job of some of the best trained human beings in the country. He ought to ride with the police for a month just to really get some experience. Hawk
Posted by: Hawk | July 26, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
I agree with George Will comments.
For myself, I am not going to feel sorry for a person who has a Harvard education and other accolades and displays bad communication skills. I have a hard time caring about people who use the past as crutches to get society to feel sorry for them. I have just as much persecution in my past as any other race but I dont whine about it to try to get ahead or one up on another.
Posted by: Ron | July 26, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
George Will needs to pay attention – he kept wanting President Obama to not comment, but it was the media who asked and g-d forbid that he say no comment.
Now with respect to the original comments. I have sympathy for the police the nature of the job is dangerous and you never know what situation you are walking into – but I am also quite sensitive to the power dynamic, that you are always supposed to be deferential to the police and how aggravating that can be – never mind that it be taking place in your own home, and the police are there to protect you [see the mental conflict].
The truth is that both over reacted in this specific situation.
Posted by: Solomon | July 26, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Where is the idea of respect for the law. This idea includes respect for those who represent the law even if they are disrespectful. Governor Patrick made the most significant remark when he said that black men have a culturally learned fear of police that has a basis in fact. It must still be the case that in a civilized society there must be respect for the law and its representatives the exception being unjust laws. However, it is not unjust or acceptable to expect that citizens when confronted by police investigating a possible crime not be permitted to curse, shout or belittle them belligerently.
Posted by: Bill | July 26, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Obama is always commenting on things that he knows nothing about. He said what he did about the cop before he knew all the facts. He is pushing his healthcare without even reading the bill that the house has come up with. He opens his mouth all the time without knowing all the facts.
He thinks that what he has to say is gospel and everyone just follow him, like sheep to the slaughter.
People don’t be fooled by this man, he is taking us down a slipply slope.He goes to other countries and apologies for American. We have nothing to apologize for, because up until now we are the best country on Earth. Make no apologies for me because until now I am proud of my country but then again I do have some doubt.
Posted by: Edot | July 26, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
This debate has nothing to do with the real problem. If anyone ever looked at the real statistics for crime (which they are all too scared of the truth) then they would understand why police act the way they do when looking for criminals. If you compared crime where only black people reported a crime with a black suspect and then looked at all other reported crimes with all other suspects of any race then you might see why some people may be looked at with a more critical eye. Anyone with any statistical background would probably say that with this data there would be no way that it could show anything of importance. To those who say that I am wrong I challenge you to examine the crime statistics of any major city in this manor and then report the results. Please someone check this out and report back.
Posted by: Charles | July 26, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
President is making so many stupid comments this week I am appalled. He has insulted the police, doctors in his comments about tonsilectomy, and absurd rational for Obamacare. Everyone of these comments are a ruler’s profile. If you the government telling you who when why to marry or abort or blood let or have proper eye care or take health insurance away vote for bigger government. I had to work months on end to get care for my asthmatic son just because of government promotion of HMO’s. If it were not for specialization he would be dead. Hopefully he can contimue to get proper care and he is 31. Government would have killed him too. Take responsibility! If this bill passes you most of your children will not get the opportunity to find a specialist. Hawk
Posted by: Hawk | July 26, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Where was the talk, that this was a burglary call. The cop had no knowledge this was a Harvard Professor, or a friend of the President. Mr. Gates was loud, generally uncoperative, and the cop had no knowledge, but followed policy, acted appropriatly, but you never even mentioned him in your TV spot. You made it about race, Gates made it about race, the President made it about race, not the police officer. Shame on all of you for not exposing this for what it is…another attempt to keep victimization alive. I was also taught to obey the police when stopped, because they are doing their job, not just because you are black!
Posted by: Robert Regan | July 26, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Talking about the “stupidly” awkward statement Obama made was a complete waste of time. The discussion outcome was too predictable based on your roundtable guest. Also what the “teachable” statement means to me is: (a) Obama needs to stay out of local law enforcement issues; and (b) the acclaimed Harvard professor copped an elitist attitude – how dire you confront me, a friend of the president, a member of the academic elite and a black man in my apartment.
Posted by: Ray Torres | July 26, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
A choice between a government-run option and private insurers, while at the same time applying competitive pressure to the rest of the insurance industry is madness. It might “feel good” to know that government cares for our health, but the long-term cost is frightening. The government-run option is the “Trojan horse” of the Obama administration wanting to takeover of the country’s healthcare system With a liberal Congress spending billions of dollars to bail out industries and tightly controlling other private sector enterprises, a highly regulated industry like healthcare insurance is headed to the public slaughter-house at the will of federal legislators, all in the name of competition.
Posted by: Ray Torres | July 26, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Again, it is inappropriate to speak for “all us white people”. I am one, but I am aware of how often black men are stopped for having done absolutely nothing wrong per my previous post of being involved. How many of you have been stopped and interrogated for having a quiet conversation in front of your home on returning from a movie??? Your perspective will forever be changed
Posted by: Susan Latta | July 26, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Did the Cambridge police act “stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates? …Yes.
But so did gates as well both men were wrong in their reaction in this case.
Race is still an issue in the united state and we still have a ways to go on that subject. I do remember as many other black young men are being told what to do when in the present of the law enforcement, on how to act and not act.
it is disheartening but on the less very true today in this time. We have came a bit further but work still needs to be done.
The only thing that came out of this that race issue are being discuss more and need to be discuss openly. You just can not ease over two hundred plus year of social injustice to minority. Because we have a president that is black.
side note officer are under a lot of pressure with putting there life on the line everyday. true they are here to serve and protect. Not to abuse their own personal powers in wrongly accessing any situation in unwise judgment. At least now we can both look in the mirror and take a good look at ourselves from both point of views.
Posted by: Oliver | July 26, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Obama still needs to apologize for unfairly accusing the police officer. Obama indeed was the one doing the racial profiling. Apologize!
Posted by: PMM | July 26, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
George Will: I wonder how George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson would have responded after being accosted at their home by the police, and handcuffed even after proving ownership? More and more we are creating a privileged police class that can criminalize the general public on a whim. Is that republicanism or fascism? Is that reasonable police power or a police state?
Posted by: Cedric Ary | July 26, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Donna Brazil said it all today. Her father taught her brothers how to act if approaced by law enforcement. Why not teach trust & respect. Let the laws of this land sort out the bad ones as it has and it will. If your civil rights are violated there is recourse, why provoke confrotation in the name of racism?
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Obama, Wright, Rev Sharpton, and now Gates , activist , all need the racism card to promote their agendas.
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
I remember when Bush, Sr. commented with surprise about scanners in stores; it showed how out of touch he was with average people and their experience just living their lives. Will’s diatribe about the Gates situation not being worthy of Presidential comment was indicative of the same kind of elitist mindset demonstrated by Bush. Obama has gone to great lengths to convince people that he understands how average people live, Harvard education aside. For Obama not to comment on a local story that had already made national headlines because he thinks he’s “above” all that would have negated a basic message that helped get him elected. He wants average people to believe that his guiding motivation is to make the average American’s life better. Will’s comments reinforces the idea that people on the inside in Washington can’t govern because they don’t have a clue.
Posted by: Gwen | July 26, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
I hear many people making remarks about the ratio of people incarcerated and their ethnicity. I ask why are they incarcerated not what is there ethnic background. Let the scholars figure out why one race is more dominate in crime then another or why.
People get incarcerated for breaking the law, period.
Several TV shows are on network now the feature the art of profiling and it isnt limited to one race, but it does target criminals. Criminals beware.
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
So every bad encounter with a cop for a black person is racist by default? Run-in with cops are almost always bad, even for whites. George Will is right, there is too much conversation on race, and all it does is make things worse.
Posted by: Mike | July 26, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
The only teaching moment here is that ‘history’ is over. The racial card silver bullet has been used. Wrong target. It’s done. No more ammo. Nothing left to squeeze out of it.
Move on.
Posted by: a nonymous | July 26, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Who exactly are the racists? Look at Professor Gates behavior. Look at Obama’s remarks. Yes, let’s discuss racism. Obama’s and Gates’s.
Posted by: pmm | July 26, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
George Will made the only rational comments today.
The other five liberals including Brooks and Stephanopoulos were wrong as usual.
Posted by: Ernie McLoney | July 26, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
I watch The round Table every Sunday,I think George could OMIT Arianna, she is over the top when it comes to Obama, more so then Donna. I can’t belive the president would get involved in a police matter, when he has all the other important issues facing our country. He was not focused this week on what he needs to be focused on. He needs to get back to the issues that interest the people. And George lose Arianna.
Posted by: Gail | July 26, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Please conduct the next roundtable discussion on race in the Over the Rhine area of Cincinnati at two AM in the morning on a friday evening. Bring Huffington, Brazille, and Klugman or don’t come at all. Don’t even act like your panel members have all the answers based on their best friend’s disrepectful disregard for a police officer’s duties to protect the public.
Posted by: Dale | July 26, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
I remember once I was stopped for a traffic offense going to work early in the AM. Speeding, I didnt cry profiling or racism, I just cried and said I was sorry to the officer and could I get maybe a warning ticket. He was sympathetic and wrote me a warning. Thank You Officer was my response.
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
What constitutes reason for arresting an elderly man with a cane? Name calling? Anger? Did the guy have a weapon that made the officer feel so threatened or was it just his sorry ego that was threatened? What happened to the old adage “Sticks and stone may break my bones but names/words will never hurt me”? Paul Krugman was correct concerning his comments on this subject. Good for you, Paul for speaking out!
Posted by: Jean | July 26, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Yes a lesson has been learned here but not everyone gets it. If you act respectful to the law officers you will not be arrested , pretty simple. Next time Gates should thank the officers for protecting his property and be done with it. SO SIMPLE
Posted by: Professor Wasabi | July 26, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Think of how different this story would be if Mr Gates had acted like a normal citizen. This could have been a great story for the promotion of the local block watch, the police and the safety of ones personal property.
Everyone would be happy and feel so much more safe and happy. But Gates the hater of white people had to ruin it.
Posted by: Bubbles | July 26, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
read the police report the guy was told to calm down countless times the police did their job quit the race card and we can get along..Posted by: patrick | Jul 26, 2009 11:22:54 AM…….It doesn’t make any difference how many times he was told; he was in his house. Actually, this goes to show that the police were LOOKING for a fight. Once the professor’s identity was proven as him being the home owner (which it WAS), the police should have left…and just let him keep on ranting and raving in HIS home; not the cops’ home. As long as the professor wasn’t trying to physically assault them and wasn’t doing anymore than just being mad, the cops were staying and provoking him. Yeah, the professor was wrong in ranting and raving, but the cops had the chance to just leave and write up the report as: “Break-in confirmed as false alarm. Home owner was overly talkative, but we left in order to not escalate the matter any further”.
Posted by: LOfromMO1 | July 26, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Obama is now doing what he should have done from the beginning…….shutting up!
Posted by: LongT | July 26, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
I always act civil with cops. They appreciate it.
Posted by: LongT | July 26, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
LongT, I could not agree with you more. I do to. But not everyone is an angel like you and I. I’m not saying the professor was right in being obnoxious (which is hearsay so far, I might add). What I AM saying is that the police were called there to investigate a break-in; not to investigate if someone should be arrested for being obnoxious.
Posted by: LOfromMO1 | July 26, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Obama, Rev Wright, Rev Sharpton, Prof Gates all activist, they need the the racism crutch to promote their agendas.
Without it they might go unoticed like many of us.
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I am sorry but I got stuck on Arianna Huffington saying that Obama must be out there, that is a page in what he was taught from Sal Alinsky in rules. Was I hearing that right? It seems (hate to say) the only honest commentator was Arianna Huffington. We have heard from the right that Obama is from the school of Alinsky most have denied it. Truth will set you free.
Posted by: dee smith | July 26, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
George Will was the only person on point this morning. Thank you George for holding up the position that I agree with on the race position and comment from our President. I am only sorry the rest of the roundtable is so far removed from this awareness.
Posted by: Peggy | July 26, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
I was just watching the debate; I think its important to accept , sympathise and actual agree to the minority viewpoint. I think its the prerogative of the subjugated to speak out even if it is difficult to accept our prejudices-women, racially profiled or typified- From Krugmans’ perspective are we to wait another 25 years for things to change; How can the whites pontificate when they are responsible for concieving the concept of ‘Race’ by color? It exists? What sort of question is that? Why do we have colored perceptions then, we should not be segregating humanity through color- unfortunately a visible attribute– unlike religion and others which cannot be easily discerned!! Anyway- as a woman I sometimes think this is still a male dominated world view, even if all disagree, we have to subscribe to it implicitly; when we represent more than 50% of the electorate— what kind of democracy we are really talking about— do we wait another 20 years– to change representation. Why should such important wait for the trend to change!!
Posted by: Amrith | July 26, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I guess Stephy feels that it’s fair to pit four radical left-wingers against George Will since Will’s IQ is higher than that of the other four combined.
Posted by: Trygve | July 26, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
The police came to the home to investigate a burglary. There was no burglary. The officer should have given Dr. Gates, his name and ID and a number to call if he had any questions or information to add to the incident report. There was no justifiable reason for the officer to handcuff and arrest Professor Gates in his own home.
Posted by: Kaye Martin | July 26, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
A white police officer comes to a home that has a front door broken in, supporting the call that a crime is in progress. The officer is a public servant putting his life on the line. How many commentators know what it feels like to be of community service in this regard? One gun shot away from your loved ones as widowed and fatherless. Two men reported breaking into a home… You wanna check it out? I don’t believe the police officer responding to a potential crime scene, with nerves a bit heightened but steady just the same, deserved a livid racial berating because he wasn’t black. How about “guilty of investigating a potential crime scene while being white” ? I’d like to see the media cover that angle. Asking for verification is a necessary part of completing an investigation. It’s required procedure just like scanning an 80 year old white lady at the airport. When Gates followed Sgt. Crowley out of the home continuing the verbal assault he was pushing his conduct. Sgt. Crowley, who taught racial sensitivity classes to police officers, probably would have less hesitation arresting a white man in that situation. Professor Gates, by virtue of his devotion to highlighting racial prejudice as a major aspect of his perspective, instantly expressed hatred directed toward Sgt. Crowley because he is white.
Posted by: B.J. | July 26, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
George Stephanopoulos runs a great round table. Inspires us posters on both sides cheering on their favorite pundits and their side :-D
George Will, Donna Brazile, Paul Krugman, Arianna Huffington and David Brook on the race debate is an example of a great debate on this issue. I would agree with Arianna Huffington just a debate among media pundits on both sides helps viewers and if this continues over time can have a impact.
But also this caught my attention …
George Will is fast on his feet and bringing in Ronald Reagan was a nice touch. But we need a broad bandwidth President in order
to deal with the mess left after 8 years of Republicans in the White House. Republicans should be held accountable until the mess is cleaned up
on the economy and also until our troops are home from both wars.
Ronald Reagan was not broad bandwidth President, yet Obama admires him. Both are great communicators. In the future, each President who steps forward will to deal with more then just 3 or 4 issues while keeping an eye on the election cycles of 2 to 4 years. Bush may have been the last of the 3 to 4 issue Presidents? The clear philosophical differences between parties become more apparent in the current internet age. I wouldn’t be surprised if the results are a third party that comes along as current parties cancel each other out and the issues become so watered down between all three branches of government creating a third party. At what point may this 3rd party appear? When China over takes the USA as a super power somewhere between 2020 – 2030? Perhaps our own form of Government might change into a Parliament combined with Senate evolution in order to keep up with the times? Now these thoughts have been expressed by the experts in articles online or on TV.
The broad bandwidth citizen online usually has a browser with multi tabs open and is multi tasking faster. President Obama and his administration are the broad bandwidth team of our times. We in the Nerds Society of America would have it no other way. We have seen nothing yet as the future is coming a lot faster then we think.
Posted by: Cooday | July 26, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
As far as Mr. Obama’s comment about the Cambridge police acting stupidly, he’s as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. Mr. Gates is a friend of his and he said he was biased. Maybe reporters didn’t ask previous Presidents questions on race because they knew race relations in this country was not high on their list of priorities, but Mr. Obama being the first Black president, could possibly mean some changes in the way Americans view their fellow non-white Americans. It’s so easy being white and telling non-whites to “get over it” when they have not been the victims of harassment or brutality because of their skin color.
Posted by: Vickie | July 26, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
When Donna Brazille talked about advice given to her black brothers about the police stopping them, everyone should put their heads down when stopped. I’m a white woman over 65 stopped by an Alexandria white policeman some years ago because I missunderstood his traffic direction on a small street in Olde Town. He was rude and said he would arrest me if he weren’t directing traffic. I was frightened and did not dare ask for his badge number for fear of retaliation. The police are far too arrogant and drunk with power. I think the President should talk about it.
Posted by: Kay | July 26, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
they countinue to say racial profileing wheh the cop was called to the houes george WHY did nt you call that black guest on that!
Posted by: bill | July 26, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
America IS and ALWAYS will be a racist nation. The historical makeup of the Supreme Court is proof of that. The bigots, like Pat Buchanan, Sarah Palin and even George Will, are so hateful they actually hate a president who is half white (that’s some serious bigotry). The country is a joke to the rest of the world despite Obama’s efforts to unite this nation. Too bad General Sherman didn’t burn it all.
Posted by: Freespeechtalking | July 26, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
When George Will asked rhetorically what Eisenhower would have done about a seemingly local incident (involving race), that was a very unfortunate choice of examples. What Eisenhower actually did was to send in federal troops with heavy armaments. It sort of suggests that Will is living in the shadow of some mythical past that never existed. I’m sorry no one jumped on such a specious example, because it actually proved the opposite of what Will intended. But as always he said it with such self-certainty that it had the effect of fending off such annoying details as the facts.
Posted by: ALoeb | July 26, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
It’s Stupid to arrest some dogdy old curmudgeon for ‘Disturbing the Police’ using Department issued Boilerplate PC and think you’re gonna get away with it.
It’s a national issue when that Department issued Boilerplate PC could put just about anyone in cuffs on a whim,
and Blacks get ARRESTED alot.
Posted by: Dr. Raymond Stantz | July 26, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Asa retired Afro-American P.O.in Gary,In.I found ,the wholeincident to be a complete lack of communication by both sides.and the Presidnt should hv chosen his words more carefully.since he stated that didn’t hv all the facts;just should hv not mde a comment.none of us were there,but there a possability that i might have made and arrest in this incident.the bottom line is the p.o. were called to Mr.Gates home.As 4myself Iwasshot along with then partner, answering a call, I’ve been hit with a baseball, bitten,still hv the marks on my arm.all these incidents were by fellow black citizens,.wemust respect each other.I wouldlike to know what the comments would have been,if the officer had not responded and there had been a real breakin at the Gates home?
Posted by: Ted | July 26, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Posted by: Wikipedia | July 26, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Look at the political balance in the round table this week. Who is the 2nd Republican, Huffington or Krugman. LOL
Posted by: Chris | July 26, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
LOfromMO Thanks for noticing me. I dont give activist that much attention . Forgive me if I annoyed you. I spoke “stupidly”.
Posted by: Robert | July 26, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
This is of personal interest because our son attends a nearby University and lives off-campus. Prof. Gates was arrested;in a similar situation our son might be shot. I don’t want our son to think it is okay to be confrontational with law enforcement. For the record,I am female,black and both of my parents grew up in the segregated south.
I do not know if Sgt. Crowley is rascist. However, I believe the actions of Sgt. Crowley were not racially motivated. I think Prof. Gates was highly agitated and he acted out and the officer,in anger, responded as he might with any individual who was unruly,disrespectful and probably condescending-he moved the situation to the police station. Sgt. Crowley could have been nicer and more understanding but that does not make him a racist.
America has a long way to go in addressing our race issues but we have taught our son that two wrongs don’t make a right; being an American of African ancestry is never an excuse for inappropriate behavior because he may feel “wronged”; and if he is ever stopped/confronted by law enforcement, always be respectful and follow instructions because his life may depend on it; at the first opportunity call us(parents) and we will take care of the situation.
Posted by: CJ | July 26, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Why does Arianna Huffington even get on this show? Is this serious journalism any longer? What is next the editor of the NY Post? These Sunday talk shows have become a joke.
Posted by: Chris | July 26, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Time for G. Will to retire…he lives in the 40′s. He appears to forget…other Presidents have spoken out on issues that affect all States.
And, people should be angry that a reporter brought up this issue…during a Press conferene on a serious topic such as Health. That reporter was out of line.
Posted by: Eileen C. Tallon | July 26, 2009, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
What George Will’s whiny diatribe misses entirely is that this wasn’t simply “a minor law enforcement issue” as he kept repeating.
No matter which side you support in this thing, the story of a well-respected top academic being hauled off in handcuffs made everyone wonder what was going on, particularly since it was an African American man and a white policeman.
Barack Obama is the first African American President, and a close friend of the academic in question, to boot, as well as being a former Harvard student himself. This is why he was asked about the incident, which is perfectly understandable given all of the above.
If George Will can’t understand that this was an issue that led to a natural interest in Obama’s reaction, and not just some minor unrelated police matter, he really needs to retire.
Come to think of it: George Will really needs to retire. His presence on your panel today was a single voice of petulance and cluelessness, ranting and raving as he always does about things that he always seems to simply not understand. Please do us a favor and leave this cranky crackpot off the panel, you do yourself a disservice by giving him a platform for his idiocy.
Posted by: Bill E Pilgrim | July 26, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Cambridge, for the most part, is a one product town, graduating scholars and legal minds to run the country. That a police department serving Cambridge wouldn’t already “know” the major “executives” and/or “professors” in this one-product town, is indefensible. And that a police would enter the home, without a warrant, in response of a crime he did not witness and doesn’t know actually happened and arrest someone he obviously “knows” is a lot, lot “smarter” than him (remember, it’s a Harvard town?..) is clearly a unwise power-move by a man in uniform who is accustomed to getting his way with people of color.
Posted by: Milton | July 26, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
There were 3 officers at the scene of this situation. All different ethnic background involved, but the white policeman was chosen for the diatribe from the respected Harvard Professor. WHY? If this Gates acts like a normal neighbor and thanks all involved it turns into a great PR job for the local block watch and himself and the Law. That would be a very positive reflection of the way neighbors can get along in the city and protect one anothers self and property.
Posted by: Honest Abe | July 26, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
the problem is a lack of respect in this country, lack of respect for authority, lack of respect for elders, for parents, for teachers.. so this so call teachers is actually teaching others to follow his bad examples of LACK OF RESPECTS… without that we do not have a civil society any more..
Posted by: blake | July 26, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
George Wills, when you chastised President Obama for speaking out on a heated racial happening, it came across as though you believe the President of the United States should speak up only about items on the big government agenda. I don’t think we’ve ever had a president who was so ready to state his position, and act on it. Now on the other hand, I don’t think he ever should bring lunch from a hamburger joint back to his staff at the Whitehouse. That demeans his position. The racial issue does not.
I was appalled when at the press conference, he said the Cambridge police had acted stupidly. I thought no good would come of his comment. However, maybe some will. Let’s watch and see. Whatever, I’d say he’s surprising some of us in unexpected ways.
I voted for President Obama, and got so much more of a leader than I ever anticipated or expected was possible. We can learn from this black man. He is our hope for the future. He may bring the black and white people together, simply by his example. If our children and grandchildren watch him, we might just imagine the impression he is making on them.
A Sunday Morning Fan, Gail Roberts
Posted by: Gail Roberts | July 26, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I didn’t watch because the ALL BARACK CHANNEL is turning my stomach. The REAL issue that they should be covering is THE PRESIDENT, WITHOUT FACTS, SAID THE POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY. What does this tell our children? Don’t listen to the police because they are stupid? This is the PRESIDENT! On National TV. It is disgusting.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | July 26, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
It just amazes me how the libs just love to distract from the main point. It’s not about weather Gates got arrested or not. This is about the POTUS in a prime time address calling a police dept. “stupid” before he even knew any facts, and him himself starting the theme that this was just racial. The community organizer needs to start at least trying to act as a real Prez…just read your teleprompter for goodness sakes…and you’ll never go wrong. Shame on him for inciting division and racism!
Posted by: BB12 | July 26, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
If I was trying to break into my own home and a officer came to make sure this I wasn’t an intruder. I would be absolutely thrilled! I would thank my neighbor and police! I would be more than happy to offer my identification. Some people just are looking for an excuse to be offended.
Posted by: yvonne | July 26, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
the question was not asked to the president just because of this one incident- it may never be known if the Gates issue occurred due to race or not- but the fact that things like this happen because of race, and that many folk (Americans, those who are part of this country) have experienced someting like this raises the question- it is an issue in America. No matter how much we want to sweep it away, or pretend it is “Minor” like George Will, because it may never happen to him or someone he cares about does not mean we should not discuss it.
We all need to watch our words when we do not know all the facts, but we all speak from our own experiences. It is just unfortunate that George Will’s words read to me” I do not care what others who are not like me may or may not experience- if it does not affect me or apply to my life, get over it!:
Posted by: SCD | July 26, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Gail Roberts pull your head out the sand. The man is truely a Socialist and this is a Capitalist country or it was. We want to go back to the days of slavery? That is what socialism is Gail.
Posted by: Vladamir | July 26, 2009, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
In response to Arianna Huffington’s question about continuing the discourse on profiling, what I’d like to know is, how, precisely, was Professor Gates profiled to begin with? The police respond to a call about two men banging against a door trying to gain entry? If they’d been another color, does that mean the police would not have responded? I don’t think so. So how, precisely, does what took place fit with the profile lexicon? Another thing, this concept of ‘public’. Not a traditional public forum in the context of how that term is often used, but being in the public eye. In his front yard, certainly with the public eye. In fact, standing in the threshold of his front door could very well be within the meaning of ‘public eye’, depending on the law. Speech being content neutral, it is the manner is which it is being extolled upon the masses; shouted and screamed in this instance. That is what got dear Professor Gates arrested. Not that he was black or any other hot button topic of the week. He took offense to the fact the officer showed up and asked him questions to begin with. The fact that SGT Crowley didn’t instantly recognize him and digress to his status of scholar and prominent person. He demonstrated, quite well I think, what he truly thinks of those in his world by his actions and his words. It is nothing akin to the benign and benevolent image he wants to convey to the masses. So in my mind, Professor Gates found himself on the receiving end of what he deserved, or anyone else in like circumstance. Independent of any other factor. A nation of laws, not men.
Posted by: TC | July 26, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Kristin:”If you are not doing something wrong.. You WILL NOT be arrested.”
Oh my god, what fantasy land are you living in? LOL!
Posted by: Sid | July 26, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
If you read
Gates’ statement -
Witnesses to an arrest aren’t witnesses to what caused the arrest.
Posted by: Dr. Egon Spengler | July 26, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
dumb and dumber
Posted by: al casebere | July 26, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Yous got it all wrong this isnt racism at all, I know lots of anglo people that dont like the law. They are mostly criminals.
So ya see it isnt what you think. Dont yous ever watch Cops? They got a crappy job, Im glad they are here to serve and protect, I have no beef with them.
Back in the late 60s MLK made Americans aware of certain bad things in this country and most of those have been remedy. But if you teach your children to abuse police and not to trust them. what do you get?
Posted by: CrimeDog | July 26, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Now I know where Obama learned to lie about everything including the stimulus bill and the health plan. He attended Harvard and was a friend of Skip gates.
Posted by: Dennis Madden | July 26, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Regardless of whether it’s over or not, I have lost most of my respect and support for Obama and many of my friends feel exactly the same!! If indeed there was a misdeed by the cops, it should be sorted out between the parties and NOT up to Obama to cry ‘foul’, especially not knowing ALL the facts. Shame on him and all the others who try to make this a big racial issue. This has clearly lost a lot of support for him.
Posted by: Karen | July 26, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
I agree with Will who says that the president, himself, racially profiled by elevating race, HIS race, over the race of the White officer. Nobody can say that this situation matches racial history, just cuz a White officer arrested a Black man. There is more to it than that.
The Word of God says that He makes all things new. Blacks, including the president who claims to be Christian, apparently, think that is not true since tghey keep on bring up history. THEY keep racism alive.
Finally, they keep saying that there are more Blacks and Hispanics in prison, as though THAT, in itself, proves racial profiling.
HEWS BULLETIN: There are more men than women in prison. That must be sexual profiling. That must mean that men do more crime than women. If that’s so, then Blacks and Hispanics do more crime than Whites, and THAT’s why more of them are in prison.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 26, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
HEWS BULLETIN —> NEWS BULLETIN
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 26, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
There’s a national issue.
What should you possibly censor from a debate on racism? Words?
Only people in Cambridge should fear arrest for calling someone a racist. (Well, so far this week)
Posted by: Dr Peter Venkman | July 26, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
==This forum is CENSORED.==
This forum is actually private property. The owners of it are not required to uphold your Right to Free Speech.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 26, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Good Thing we have Public places where you can protest censorship like this.
Just not in Cambridge, They arrest old men who call cops racist there.
Posted by: Dr Peter Venkman | July 26, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
When In Cambridge -
Can you only be arrested for calling a cop a racist? or
Can you be arrested for calling anyone a racist? or
Can you be arrested for yelling at a cop that he’s a racist? or
Can you be arrested for yelling to your neighbors that a cop is a racist? or
Can you be arrested for screaming to a cop that your neighbor’s a racist? or
Can you be arrested for screaming at a cop to arrest your neighbor the racist? or
Can you be arrested for screaming at a cop?
Not according to these guys 414 us 14.
Posted by: Dr Peter Venkman | July 26, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Tazzed a 72 year old white woman who was obnoxious in Texas…
If you are obnoxious and show disrespect to an officer be prepared to be dealt with accordingly.
Posted by: Beej | July 26, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Hey Donna — I could tell this morning’s discussion brought up some painful memories for you. That being said, I’d appreciate if you’d listen to my comments.
1) I’m a Caucasian mother of an adopted Korean son — and no matter what color any son of mine could be, my advice to him would have ALWAYS been the same. When approached by a police officer, ALWAYS treat him with respect and answer his questions.
2) Please tell me how I could explain my son’s “teachable moment” when he conducted research & made actual visits with 2nd generation Korean Americans in Los Angeles for work to complete his International Baccalaureat research paper titled “How Did the 1992 Rodney King Incident Affect the Activism of 2nd Generation Korean Americans in Los Angeles?” Perhaps you should pick up a copy of the April 2002 issue of KoreAm and read it.
The Civil Rights Act of the 60′s is now over 50 years old; and it still represents only the OPPORTUNITY for all of us as Americans to act responsibly.
You can’t have it both ways.
Don’t you think it’s time for African Americans to stop “crying in their beers?.”
Posted by: WBGSJ | July 26, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
I am a white, middle-class male and found George Will’s comments quite arrogant. Sure, he can comment about the Gates’ situation as a white, rich male, but the President Obama cannot comment because it is a local issue. What a weak argument! The President of ALL Americans and can comment on regional, state, and local issues. And Donna Brazile should have taken George Will to the proverbial woodshed when he said, “we converse about race too much.” He has no right to make such a comment based on his race and income.
Posted by: David Miller | July 26, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Hey Beej – Sounds like this Cop would’ve arrested and silenced Frederick Douglas.
Told Rosa Parks to stop complaining about the back of the bus,
and dragged Mt. Luther King off the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Obnoxious people should be dealt with accordingly. Right?
Posted by: Dr. Raymond Stantz | July 26, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
The press asked the question. He answered it. Maybe badly. They asked him this because of his speech on Race.
The matter was not insignificant. The police were called because someone reproted a break in. Once the police identified that Mr. Gates was who he said he was, even if he was angry about it. The police should have said, I’m sorry Mr. Gates, we are just trying to do our job and we are sorry to have disturbed you. Mr Gates may have been rude, but that is NOT a crime. All you should have to show the police to identify yourself is your driver’s license, it has your picture and your address on it. Once he had identified himself as the homeowner, the police should have left, graciously.
Posted by: lemerba | July 26, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
This controversy can easily be resolved by the release of the Cambridge Police Department’s audio tape of the encounter.
Posted by: Lisa | July 26, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Disappointed Obama Supporter.
Posted by: Steve | July 26, 2009, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Listen for the person screaming about being arrested for ‘Disturbing the Police’.
Great Comedic timing you teach in Racial Profiling Class.
Posted by: Dr Peter Venkman | July 26, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
I was always taught not to argue with a police officer. Dah. The facts. The officers were called out because of a possible break in. Gates (the idiot) argues when asked for ID.(yes, the elderly commit crimes too) If it had been a true robbery the officer would have been just doing his job. What a wimpy panel and a disgrace to honest blacks and hispanics.(Donna I’m surprised at you) If our government hadn’t sold our manufacturing industry overseas, our youth wouldn’t be looking to drugs, the root of this mess.
Posted by: Alan | July 26, 2009, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Paul Krugman is the first person who I have heard discuss the idea that the policeman responded to speech with force. Why are policemen allowed to break the laws the rest of us are required to follow. If I get into a disagreement with you, and you yell at me, if I escalate to physical force, I have committed an offense and a tort. Why was this policeman allowed to attack this citizen who was in his own home simply because he was yelling? It’s an outrage.
Posted by: Nyla Jebousek | July 26, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
The scholar finally has a chance to put his money where his mouth is.
Sgt. CYA will never admit to anything and the thin blue line is drawing a neat circle around him. If defense of Liberty means anything, Gates can be the pin that bursts that bubble.
Posted by: Dr. Egon Spengler | July 26, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
We recognize that there are two kinds of authority: One is when someone tells us that we should believe what they say or follow their advice because they know better than we do on some particular matter. The other kind of authority is the kind that tells us to do as we are told simply because the person telling us is somehow entitled to control us. All societies have assigned certain agencies to have the power to quash or subdue certain activities that seem outside of established behavior. There is no doubt in my mind that professors of ethnic studies don’t have attitudes that would fill several trucks. Not everyone is suited for the job of policeman and many mistakes are made every day, but if we disregard the men or women involved in this task, much more harm is done to society than can be adequately tolerated. Everyone wants to stand up for his rights; who is standing up for the maintenance of society.
Posted by: Joachim Bromet | July 26, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
You know, every time someone throws down the race card, and it’s not true, it just diminishes the next time it’s thrown down. Read the parable of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. If you lie about something enough times, no one will believe you when you tell the truth. Anyone who’s really been racially profiled should be appalled that they won’t be believed thanks to the likes of Gates.
Posted by: Obfusc8r | July 26, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
What amazes me about these comments is how few people examine the fundamental issues that are involved. No mention of what constitutes “disorderly conduct.” No mention of the discrepancies between Crowley’s report and Figeroa’s (and Gates’). No mention of how the witness, who actually MAY be the one with some hangups, described/”saw” two black men with backpacks when it was actually one gray-haired black man in casual wear and a large, black man in a formal suit…with suitcases! Imagine how differently the cops might have responded had she seen what was there, not what her eyes perhaps preferred to see?
Anyway, the best consideration of this issue (and let’s not forget the First Amendment, too) I think has been provided by the AP. Can’t remember the writer, but he, too, pointed to who had the gun and the impact of testoterone on even a trained (and trainer) officer and professor. How ironic! BOTH studied the subject, BOTH couldn’t reacting in spite of their vast, collective education and experience!
I must admit, sometimes I wonder if we guys will never be able to overcome our instincts to fight first and talk later.
Posted by: Philip2 | July 26, 2009, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
How does this incident involve “gender,” as Mr. S said in his show today? Also, why’s he not wearing an American flag lapel pin?
Posted by: F. Aquinas | July 26, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Vallerie – you need to read the police report – Mr. Gates began yelling when the officer first approached him. He refused to show proper ID (which I find strange – having just come home from an international flight a few weeks ago – my passport was at hand and had an office come to my front door would have been far easier to produce than my work ID) and continued to be belligerent. What I wnt to know is when are the 911 tapes going to be made public – then the whole world can hear for themselves just what happened. OF course, President Obama and Governor Deval will probably “convince” the Cambridge PD not to release the tapes as it would likely prove to be quite embarassing for Mr. Gates and the two of them as well.
And BTW, Ms. Huffington – Mr. Obama never apologized to Sgt. Crowley – something this American believes the officer is entitled too.
Posted by: Mittsgurl | July 27, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am
To Donna: I’m white and my parents gave me the same guidelines as the boys in your family in regards to the police.
Columbus, Ohio has a black mayor, a black fire chief, and until his recent retirement, a black police chief. The national sales manger at the company that I work for is black, as is the international sales manager. In each case, in my opinion, these positions were earned through performance.
I never really give their race much thought until I hear such “stupid” comments like yours.
P.S Huffington comments are a waste of air time
Posted by: Patrick | July 27, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am
I had the dubious pleasure of listening to the so called “round table discussion” on this Sunday’s ABC weekly political show. Let’s try and keep the facts in the forefront, as opposed to what most of the “experts” on the panel were wont to do. First, this incident had nothing, I repeat NOTHING, to do with “racial profiling”. A burglary in progress complaint was filed concerning two black men attempting to forcibly enter a residence in a neighborhood. A residence, by the way, which had a history of such crime in the recent past. I am a white man, and I have had identical experiences in this regard with respect to false burglary alarms at my residence. When police arrive, they demand to know my identity and for me to produce identification. This is what is known as clearing the scene; and certainly not an example of a “teachable moment for racial relations”. I also have an observation for that simpering, pathetic liberal sycophant named Paul Krugman who complained about the fact the professor was “handcuffed”. I spent my life in law enforcement. And the one constant rule of any apprehension is that you always, and I mean ALWAYS, handuff a person who is arrested. The only criticism I would have of the incident is the fact the suspect was handcuffed in the front as opposed to the rear of his body. Officers have been injured and killed due to such “kind” consideration. I have only one parting thought for the likes of Krugman and Huffington: the depths of your ignorance is truly unmatched by anything I have listened to in recent reportage.
Posted by: John Wood | July 27, 2009, 2:13 am 2:13 am
Whatever it is whether it is racial or not. Intruding in to a person’s house and arresting without warrant is human right violation. The police deportment done wrong and they should pay for that.
Posted by: jimjus99 | July 27, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I think if anyone (white, black, brown, yellow etc.) behaved the way Gates did, they would have been arrested. There is nothing wrong with an officer asking for ID when someone called in a potential burglary. Gates took it way too personaly and is making himself look bad.
Posted by: ann | July 27, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
The African American Community must wake up and recognize that there is no Hope in Obama. He is not a friend. Obama consistently and intentionally fails to recognize the greatness of the African American community. He would rather point to failures or play the blame game. The contributions of African American’s to our nation must be recognized and celebrated. The community has the opportunity to make an even larger impact if Obama’s notion of servitude is rejected. Samuel Adams said that those who prefer tranquility of servitude had best be prepared to crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. Government control stands in opposition to the potential of all communities. America is still the land of opportunity for you but may not be for your kids. Think for yourself and reject Government interference in your life.
Posted by: james T | July 27, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
The African American Community must wake up and recognize that there is no Hope in Obama. He is not a friend. Obama consistently and intentionally fails to recognize the greatness of the African American community. He would rather point to failures or play the blame game. The contributions of African American’s to our nation must be recognized and celebrated. The community has the opportunity to make an even larger impact if Obama’s notion of servitude is rejected. Samuel Adams said that those who prefer tranquility of servitude had best be prepared to crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. Government control stands in opposition to the potential of all communities. America is still the land of opportunity for you but may not be for your kids. Think for yourself and reject Government interference in your life.
Posted by: james T | July 27, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Coming late to the table. This round table is so far out of touch with the American public that I can not watch anymore. Will, I don’t know how much they are paying you but it is not enough. Please leave and quit giving this panel any legitimacy. The “question” is not about race relations but is our president a racist? Oh, I know, everyone knows he is a racist and elected a known racist so it is not news. Just as knowing he isn’t a “natural born” citizen is old news so it is not news. I think that is time you in the MSM ought to let our emporer that he has no clothes. And George W. you have been losing your credibility and will continue as long as you associate with these blind mice.
Posted by: Brian | July 27, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Maybe the next time there is a call at this, Professor Gates house, the police need to just take a report over the phone.
Posted by: j Carlson | July 27, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
“Get real people. He was in his own house. How many of you would have smiled and said “no problem” if it happened to you? Not many, I’d bet.
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dear jan
Most normal people in the same circumstances would be GLAD to know that their neighbors and police acted swiftly and correctly to protect their porperty!
Only a loose cannon would start up with whole racism & “do you know who i am” smack!
The President who has been running around the globe “appologizing” for the so-called past sins of the country, would have done himself & race relations a great service by publically appologizing to the officers involved. Amazing, he seems to think its his “responibiblty ” to applogize for the percieved acts of this country, yet he can’t bring himself to applogize when HE was dead wrong!
Trying to say that both parties over-reacted is the cowardly way out. His friend was wrong, period! to try to take that into the realm of racial profiling when HE KNEW HE DID NOT HAVE THE FACTS was incredibly stupid of the President!
Posted by: Mike_C | July 27, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Donna is acting stupidly. And by the way it doesnt matter what color you are when police stop you do what you are told.
Posted by: ChicagBob | July 27, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Obama needs to be taught a lesson. DONT be a RACIST!
Posted by: ChicagBob | July 27, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Lets CLOUD the issue by talking about everything else but the fact Obama is a racist.
Posted by: ChicagBob | July 27, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
The President of the Unites States of America had taught us he is a racist.
Posted by: ChicagBob | July 27, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
There might be tapes and if they leak they will be embarrassing to Obama for his racist knee-jerk reaction.
Posted by: ChicagBob | July 27, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
==Whatever it is whether it is racial or not. Intruding in to a person’s house and arresting without warrant is human right violation.==
In YOUR world, but not in this one. The police investigated a legit report made by a woman of Portuguese extraction who said she couldn’t make out the race of those bustin’ into Gates’ house.
Also, the police, according to recordings, weren’t focusing on race.
== The police deportment done wrong…==
The recordings show that they are not, that Gates, the president and so many Blacks overreacted.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 27, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
After watching Sunday show, I think it’s time for George Will to retire from the round table. Since the Republican Party has lost the White House and Congress he has become a bitter man, who can know longer give a objective view without sounding cynical and mean. I thing George S. needs to start off the fall season with a new round table group. Maybe we can have Sam Donaldson replace George Will.
Posted by: Tina | July 27, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
==…he [George Will] has become a bitter man, who can know longer give a objective view…==
He is not a reporter, not that reporters nowadays are reporting facts, ‘cept the “facts” of their subjective views. He is a commentator, expected to give his views which may, or may not, align with the facts outside his skin.
==Maybe we can have Sam Donaldson replace George Will.==
You mean that they should replace the Conservative with somebody more to YOUR liking, a Lib who has subjective views, too, and wants to do what you say the Conservative shouldn’t do. Make up your mind; if you want objective views, then you should include yourself in suppressing the subjective.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 27, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
They were both wrong. If you are confronted with the police be polite and submissive, their life is on the line. The law is across the line crippled, black, old, whatever. If you want them to be there when you need them knuckle down. The president has so far been a moral leader. He is also human and not above saying something that can be mis-construed. I’m just pleased we can talk about it.
Posted by: Mike Redding | July 27, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
God love George Will typical man that thinks that his race should be the only one here
Posted by: leslie | July 28, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Can’t we all just get along?
Posted by: GoBlue | July 28, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
==God love George Will typical man that thinks that his race should be the only one here==
Is THAT a fact, or is it just your subjective view? Go to Tina’s post for more about being “objective.”
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 28, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
==Can’t we all just get along?==
Libs can’t get along with Conservatives, though Conservatives bend over backwards to get along with them.
As this incident shows, too many Blacks want not to get along with police.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 28, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
==The president has so far been a moral leader.==
“Moral” in what sense?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 28, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
==The president has so far been a moral leader.==
He is pro-choice=pro-abortion=wrong-choice. The choice he backs is immoral cuz he would stand by while mothers kill their babies. Therefore, he is not a “moral” leader, except in the sense that he follows self-serving “morals.”
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 28, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Few Presidents, if any, wade into the race debate. It takes courage to talk about race and few people have such courage. As George Wills said: “We need to stop talking about it.”. Thanks to President Obama, we can still talk about something that in this country needs talking about, regardless of how uncomfortable it is for people, mostly white, to talk about the past.
Posted by: Billie Davis | July 28, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Donna and the rest of the liberal Democrats need to stop focusing on race. We have a half-black President for Heaven’s sake. They act like they are so much more moral than everyone else. They are stuck in 1965, and they never came out of it.
Usually the people that accuse you of being racist, are themselves racist. They have to stop pointing fingers at people, and either need get a real job outside of congress, and take a good look at themselves, or retire.
In fact, I’ll help them get out of congress by voting them out.
Posted by: Paul | July 28, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
If find it disturbing that this has the most simple solution.
The 1st admendment protects a person if they are insulting an officer. The charge of disorderly conduct is a false charge seeing how it clearly states in the massachusetts penal code that “To be disorderly, within the sense of the statute, the conduct must disturb through acts other than speech; neither provocative nor a foul mouth transgresses that statute”.
Posted by: Philip Turner | July 28, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
==The 1st admendment protects a person if they are insulting an officer.==
IF they are merely insulting the officer and doing nothing else.
== The charge of disorderly conduct is a false charge seeing how it clearly states in the massachusetts penal code that “To be disorderly, within the sense of the statute, the conduct must disturb through acts other than speech; neither provocative nor a foul mouth transgresses that statute”.==
Gates was not merely speaking. He was yelling and who-knows-what-else, maybe struggling and gyrating around. His behavior may have hindered the officer from doing his job on which he was legitimately sent.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | July 29, 2009, 12:00 am 12:00 am
George Will just doesn’t get it–or doesn’t want to get it. He said, “Mr. Gates got the coveted status of victim.” That, Mr. Will, is because he WAS victimized. Go to the core–remove all the other ‘stuff’ that came quickly after. A person, in his own home, going about his business, is unexpectedly confronted by a police officer at his front door, and subsequently inside his home, and challenged to prove his identity and the validity of his very presence there. Talk about being blindsided! Suddenly accused of being a criminal for absolutely no reason! Exceedingly upsetting I’d say. Should anyone, anywhere, at any time EXPECT to be acosted by the police? Having been knocked off-guard how gracious would you be? The police action created the situation. The officer should have been prepared to assess and act appropriately; de-escalate not incite. No, nobody’s perfect; Yes, it’s a difficult job. And professor Gates may well have been upset by the incident in any case. But entrusted with great authority, the police must exercise great responsibility. Clearly the police ‘training’ failed and needs help from professionals outside their closed circle.
Posted by: Don | July 29, 2009, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Hmm…Now what is s.o to do who thinks they see a break-in by African-Americans in progress ?
Wish them good luck, I guess. After all, if the property is really burglerized, the owner will always be able to send the bill to the President, who will happily pay that small price for avoiding racial profiling
or ……. did I misunderstand something here ???
Posted by: Maya | July 30, 2009, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Is Prof. Gates the real racist in this incident? Would he have acted the same way or said the same things if the investigating officer had been african american? In my forty years of teaching I have found that the person who cries racist over some seemingly innocent or small incident is most often the real racist.
Posted by: nick heinzer | July 30, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I still want to know why we continue to call President Obama an African American, when he is half Caucasian?
Posted by: C.F. Barnes | July 30, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Pay attention to Will’s subtext which is clearly racist. He basically is saying he considers Obama a know-it-all and arrogant for the “teachable moment.” It seems Will is outraged that Obama dares to have an opinion. Basically, Will’s argument is framed in a kind of exasperation — he’s everywhere; he’s not focused. Methinks, really, Will hates that Obama has a sense of power and authority and uses the presidecy as his bully-pulpit…but isn’t that exactly what every president does and should do? Obama does give a lot of interviews and he is very actively engaged with the public — that’s what an accountable POTUS with integrity does. But for Will, because he can’t stand Obama, resorts on this show to saying basically, he should shut up. And my experience shows that when white people are fed up with a Black person talking or comporting himself with grace, confidence, and intelligence, well that person is by a white racist’s viewpoint “uppity” and putting on airs. And if you listen, really listen to George Will, that’s exactly what he’s implying.
Posted by: Ken | August 1, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Who is Michelle Malkin? How long has she been in this country? Because for a brown skinned woman, albeit Asian, she hasn’t got a clue of the truly racist roots and nature of the United States. She needs to learn that the struggle for racial equality will never solve itself and will only slide back if ignored. Personally I feel racism is woven into the fabric of America and that will never change. As an African American I am working toward leaving this country, forever, rather then spend the rest of my life “living with it”. I hate this country for it. But sooner or later Ms. Malkin will feel the sting of profiling and racism herself, just for the color of her skin. It will be interesting to see if SHE will just keep HER mouth shut and put up with the indignity of being non-white in America.
Posted by: Charles | August 2, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
There is more racism in the black community and their leaders than in any other race. They constantly promote racism and this Gate incident is a great example. Automatically the white officer is thought to be racial profiling. That in itself is a racist thought and the black leaders promoted that thought for weeks. So far nobody has discused the reacism of the black community. My wife works with blacks who openly speak of their dislike of “whites”. I have experienced the same thing.The “black community” is their own worst enemy.
Posted by: Bruce | August 2, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
The police acted stupiedly when they arrested a man for disorderly conduct in his own home. The neighbor didn’t call the police. The person that called the police told the dispatcher that they didn’t believe the person was breaking in. Why did the officer after seeing Professor Gates identification asked for additional officers from another jurisdication?
Posted by: althea | August 2, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
It is so refreshing to listen to someone with brains and common sense. Michelle Malkin is my new heroine. She and George Will can talk for me anytime.
Posted by: Lenni | August 2, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I guess we will have to wait until Tucker or Gates get victimized. Who will they blame then. Face the facts instead of complying to a simple request by the officer he chose to be argumentive and irate, if the officer had let anyone else go and he got robbed he’d be singing the same old song.(Guess what we’ve all done stupid things,step up) Michelle hit the nail on the head, I wonder what his neighbor will do next time. It’s nice to see these officers stick to their guns, after all they could have demanded Gates get on the ground with drawn weapons. I don’t think any victim of a crime would appreciate Tucker’s comments and what a good example to the young ones, argue with a cop, what’s next run. Dah!
Posted by: Alan | August 2, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Good morning George et el.,
It seems that virtually all pundits and Prof. Gates have missed the point. If you kmow what’s good for you you don’t argue with a cop. When you are confronted by a cop, you should recognize that at that point the cop has his/her agenda and a lot of power that he/she can use and you don’t. Your speech should consist of “Yes, Sir” and “No Sir.” This is regardless of whether the color of ones skin or the color of the cop’s skin is white, black, yellow, green, or purple or whether one is prominent or not. No offense intended, but Gates was a #######. If he didn’t like the cops attitude, he should have taken notes and then taken it to court, if anything, or chalk it up to life. He should have realized that the officer was not at all impressed with and did not know his prominence.
The confrontation between Prof. Gates had nothing to do with “race” or “racial profiling” or freedom of speech. It was all about power. And, in these situations the police officer always wins unless there is video or there are more witnesses than cops.
As to “Skip Gates and the Post-Racial Project”, I would like someone to tell me how we are going to get post-racial when most people keep using the term race when they are talking about skin color. I’m amazed that the African American Studies scholars at Harvard, Princeton, Brown, U. Maryland, etc. place so much emphasis on race when the term race is 1) a social construct that has no validity, 2) socially divisive, 3) scientifically wrong, and 4) a myth. I want to emphasize the point that “race” is socially divisive and ask the African American Studies scholars why they insist on using a socially divisive term.
I have filled out many government forms where I am expected to check the box:
Race:
[ ] White/Caucasian
I am annoyed that I have to check off Caucasian when I had no idea what Caucasian means. I got so irritated I looked it up and found out that (East) Indians are considered Caucasian. Hence, it now makes sense that a judge ruled that my Indian roommate at Iowa State University was white. He is much darker than most black Americans. Therefore if I check this box the local, state, or federal governments really don’t know whether my skin is light or dark. This is a good illustration of how absurd the whole nonsense surrounding the use of the term race is.
Spencer Wells on the PBS program “Journey of Man,” made the excellent statement, “The term race is socially divisive and scientifically wrong.” I’m used to the fact that many academics and journalists are often scientifically wrong. However, I have to speak out when they are socially divisive. The fact is people are unintentionally socially divisive when they use the terms race and racism. I think we need to stop using the terms race and racism if we are to minimize skin color, ethnic, cultural, or geographic prejudice and/or discrimination.
“Thus human beings of whatever nationality, “race,” or creed are representatives of the species Homo sapiens, of the family Hominidae, of the genus Homo.” Lancelot T. Hogben, F.R.S., p. 261, “Principles of Animal Biology,” Christophers: London (1930). Please note the date and the quotes around race. Sean Carroll, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator recently confirmed “. . . this biological reality.”.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. wrote the book, “The Race Myth.” He is absolutely correct.
I hate to remind people that racial dogmas were preached by The Eugenics Society back in the 1920′s and were used to justify fascism.
The differences between whites and blacks is trivial compared to differences among whites or the differences among blacks.
The evidence is now clear that dating back roughly 50,000 years we all have ancestors who originated in Africa and thus we are all related. My skin is lighter than Prof. Gates’ skin because long ago my ancestors migrated from Eastern Africa to Europe where dark skin was not needed for protection against the sun. Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. has said that skin color is nothing more than a genetic sunburn.
To illustrate how ridiculous all this can get, Dr. Phil referred on the air to the Mexican race. A Mexican is a citizen of Mexico. I haven’t heard anybody talk about the
Canadian race, the Brazilian race, or the United States race.
Hopefully people will use the word ethnicity instead of race or speak about skin color, nationality, culture, geographic location as is appropriate. Also, I hope skin color (nationality, culture, geographic location, etc.)prejudice/discrimination is used instead of racism.
I submit that African American Studies scholars, such as Prof. Gates, should start talking about how much we are alike instead of foolishly trying to divide us into races based upon skin color, etc.
Starting 80 years ago the distiguised British scientists Lancelot T. Hogben, F.R.S. and Dr. Enid Charles, my parents, did not allow the term race to be used in their home.
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Posted by: David Hogben, PhD | August 3, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Cynthia Tucker is so concerned about racial profiling in 2008. Where was she in 1996 when this Nation turned its back on another Georgia citizen and hero who was the subject of racial, gender, social, and crimainal profiling. Richard jewell was the subject of the FBI investigation of the 1996 Olymbics bombing in Atlanta. Surely Ms. Tucker remembers the occasion. The FBI named him a person of interest in the bombing and relenlessly dogged him ith the help of the press, specifically the Atlanta Journal Constitution and NBC News and Tom Brokow. Everyone had decided he was guilty but they didnt have the proof. Then when Eric Rudolph was arrested and confessed to the Olympic bombing everyone new they had pursued the wrong person. No apologies, no I’m Sorries, Nothing for Richard jewell. He is dead now and it is time for America to remember him for saving lives in 1996, not ending them. He should be getting the Medal of Freedom. So much for racial profiling being a black thing.
Posted by: Ray | August 3, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm