The Note: Can Obama Regroup on Health Care?
By RICK KLEINAnd so that’s that. Take a breath if you’d like — assuming you don’t mind what the air might bring.Yet maybe a good airing out is just what health care reform needs. This wasn’t going to be a perfect game — not even close. This was going to be messy, ugly, unpleasant, and occasionally nasty. And if the deadline didn’t shift, it was going to fail, too.As President Obama pointed out this week, Washington doesn’t act without deadlines. But when you make your own schedules and even write your own laws, deadlines can be excuses for inaction, too.With Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s concession on the worst-kept secret in town, August looms now as a tempting target for both sides of the debate.Yes, the opponents will be able to step up their campaign. Yes, the president loses a touch of political sway with every passing day. (And, as his decision to comment on the “Skip” Gates case shows, it’s easy to get distracted along the way.)But Democrats needed a new debate anyway; momentum was gone before Reid made it official.Now the president and his allies can try to find a new case to make. This is moving slowly, but from the White House’s perspective, at least it’s still moving.Only optimism from the top: “Our general view is we can get this done by the fall, and so this doesn't set back that schedule,” Obama told ABC’s Terry Moran, in an “Nightline” interview. “Frankly if you don't express a sense of urgency about this thing then people always say, 'Let's put it off.' And I really do think that the families that I talk to who are struggling with health care right now can't afford it to be put off.” Bluster: “I’m from Chicago. I don’t break,” he said at a DNC fundraiser in his hometown Thursday night.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.: “I am not afraid of August.” Reid, D-Nev.: “It's better to have a product that is based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than to jam something through.” Why time might be on the president’s side after all: “The irony is that some of the soundest advice [Alex] Castellanos offered to Republicans, to urge the president to ‘slow down,’ is what the voters are trying to tell Obama and his fellow Democrats,” Charlie Cook writes in National Journal. “Taking the time to fix the problems in the health care and climate-change bills while waiting for enough good economic news to make people feel a bit more comfortable with new spending might not be the worst thing for Democrats to do.” “This will be interesting in a number of ways and for a number of reasons, among them that we’ve never seen him publicly defeated before, because he hasn’t been,” Peggy Noonan writes in her Wall Street Journal column. “The White House misread the national mood. The problem isn’t that they didn’t ‘bend the curve,’ or didn’t sell it right. The problem is that the national mood has changed since the president was elected.” If this is going to move, it’s going to happy slowly: “If Obama's initiative is to be anywhere near as successful, it will be by small steps taken in a divided Congress right now. No giant leaps are in sight,” the AP’s Erica Werner reports. Summer recess means there’s only voice in Washington for a stretch: “Now, the president and his allies hope he can use the bully pulpit to keep up momentum while Congress is out of town,” Janet Adamy and Jonathan Weisman report in The Wall Street Journal. Another opponent to mobilize against: “White House officials say that they have been given more ammunition from yet another Republican senator to make the point that much of the opposition against President Obama's health care reform push is political, about power and not principle,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reports. “Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., this week talked with two talk radio hosts about President Obama's health care reform push as a way for the Republicans to win back seats in the House and Senate, as happened in the 1994 Republican Revolution after former President Bill Clinton's health care reform efforts.”The sausage is getting spicy: “The comments by Reid (D-Nev.) confirmed the growing consensus on Capitol Hill that the White House's fast-track approach has failed, and that a more plodding and contentious process has taken hold,” The Washington Post’s Shailagh Murray, Paul Kane and Michael A. Fletcher report. “Not only would the Senate not meet Obama's timeline for passing a bill, but across the Capitol, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was struggling to quell an uprising by conservative Democrats that had brought House action to a near halt.” Would a strong-arm move in the House work? “In truth Pelosi could, with enough pressure, probably pass just about anything out of the House. But votes that rely on her playing the heavy with her own caucus come with a high price,” per Time’s Jay Newton-Small. “Joked Rep. Charlie Melancon, a Louisiana Democrat and a Blue Dog, ‘we're going to need some orthopedists around here to take care of the broken bones and twisted arms.’ ” “Months”? Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line”: “This is the early stage of a debate. It’s early and I’m glad for all the media interest in it, but we are months away from a resolution of this problem.” Still feeling urgency: “The White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, led a hastily called three-hour negotiating session at the Capitol with conservative Blue Dog Democrats, the group of fiscal hawks who have stalled action on the health care bill in the House,” David M. Herszenhorn and Jeff Zeleny report in The New York Times. But fall is crowded already: “While Congress can resume its efforts in the fall, other major items on the president’s agenda, like climate change and rewriting financial regulation, have also been postponed, and are likely to be further delayed until the health care debate is resolved,” they write. “The delay opens the most ambitious legislative initiative in more than 40 years to a month of fierce scrutiny as special-interest groups ramp up what was already expected to be a firestorm of ads, organizing and lobbying,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Chris Frates report. “Democrats will head home without a single plan to promote, complicating efforts to counter a suddenly more cohesive Republican opposition built around the plan’s trillion-dollar price tag.” Unless: “Less pressure means more time to think — and to haggle civilly, as opposed to haggling with a looming deadline,” The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder writes. Who to blame? “Democrats fought with each other Thursday over health care — and Senate leaders put off any final votes until September — as President Barack Obama's party found it difficult to create any momentum from his nationally televised appeal for overhauling the system,” McClatchy’s David Lightman reports. “If health care is to be Obama's Waterloo, as Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) wished for him, it will be because he hasn't been able to herd his fellow Democrats into a consensus,” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank writes. “Blindingly obvious contradictions are why the Democratic health plans are collapsing under their own weight — at the hands of Democrats,” Charles Krauthammer writes in his column. Lots of folks could use a break: “Obama's press conference last night drew 24.7 million viewers across broadcast and cable, according to Nielsen. That's a 14 percent drop from the April 29 prime-time presser, and 50 percent less than the first one of his presidency,” per Politico’s Michael Calderone. “The all-Obama, all-the-time carpet bombing of the news media represents a strategy by a White House seeking to deploy its most effective asset in service of its goals, none more critical now than health care legislation. But longtime Washington hands warn that saturation coverage can diminish the power of his voice and lose public attention,” Peter Baker writes in The New York Times. Back to private meetings: Reid and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus get to work out that timeline with the president directly, with an 11:30 am ET meeting in the Oval Office.The president has lunch with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, and outlines a new Department of Education grant program at 1:15 pm ET.Coming up on “This Week” Sunday: George Stephanopoulos hosts a health care debate, with Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. If the president could only get past (or does he want to?) the incident involving his friend in Cambridge:Standing by his comments: “I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement, because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy — a middle-aged man who uses a cane — who's in his own home,” Obama told ABC's Terry Moran. “I think that I have extraordinary respect for the difficulties of the job that police officers do,” the president said. “And my suspicion is that words were exchanged between the police officer and Mr. Gates, and that everybody should have just settled down and cooler heads should have prevailed. That's my suspicion.” Not settling down — “Sergeant Gets Backup”: “The Cambridge police commissioner, breaking his public silence yesterday amid an increasingly vitriolic debate, strongly defended the actions of the sergeant who arrested Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr.,” per The Boston Globe. “[Commissioner Robert C.] Haas described Sergeant James M. Crowley as a ‘stellar member’ of the department who had ‘tried to deescalate the situation’ before he arrested Gates last week on the porch of Gates’s Cambridge house. Haas emphatically said that Gates’s arrest was not racially tinged.” “He [Crowley] tried to move away from the situation, and, when he wasn’t successful, he used arrest as a last resort,” Haas said. “I do not believe his actions were in any way racially motivated.”Said NPR’s Juan Williams, on the president’s reaction: “I’m not sure he saw the police report. . . . It’s not a case of racial profiling. . . . He got out way too far.” (What did Professor Gates say about Crowley’s mother? Does the president want to own that?)ABC’s Dan Harris reported Friday on “Good Morning America” that Crowley is considering a defamation lawsuit.Said Bill Cosby: “If I’m the president of the United States, I don’t care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I’m keeping my mouth shut. . . . I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement.”The Rev. Al Sharpton: “He had the courage to take a position at a time when he knows some people will disagree,” Sharpton said, per ABC’s Russell Goldman. “If he hadn't addressed it, it would have looked like he was ducking. I was surprised he said what he said, because his words brought the conversation to a new level.” What the president has gotten himself into: “President Barack Obama has strained through his career in national politics to embrace nuance in all things, and never more than when the subject is race,” Politico’s Ben Smith and Nia-Malika Henderson report. “But an off-the-cuff remark at the end of a news conference designed to further his health care agenda put him at the center of a familiar public melodrama of white cop and black victim in which big-city mayors — never mind presidents — tread with the greatest of caution.”Also making news (as always): Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, leaves office Sunday, and her base of support isn’t what it once was.”As she packs up the Alaska governor's mansion and pushes back against the latest ethics brouhaha, Sarah Palin's got other problems: A more negative public image than she held during the 2008 campaign – and broader questions about her grasp of complex issues,” ABC polling director Gary Langer writes. “Just 40 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post poll hold a favorable opinion of Palin overall, down from a high of 58 percent shortly after she joined the GOP presidential ticket. More than half, 53 percent, now view her unfavorably.” Can she call them Barbara and John? Senators Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and John Kerry, D-Mass., challenge Palin to a debate on energy and environmental issues: “We respectfully invite Gov. Palin to join that reality-based debate — one that relies on facts, science, tested economics and steely-eyed national security interests. Our country needs nothing less, and our planet depends on it,” they write in a Washington Post op-ed. The new education initiative that’s coming Friday: “President Obama is leaning hard on the nation's schools, using the promise of $4 billion in federal aid — and the threat of withholding it — to strong-arm the education establishment to accept more charter schools and performance pay for teachers,” Michael D. Shear and Nick Anderson write in The Washington Post.
Said the president, in an interview with the Post: “What we're saying here is, if you can't decide to change these practices, we're not going to use precious dollars that we want to see creating better results; we're not going to send those dollars there,” Obama said. “And we're counting on the fact that, ultimately, this is an incentive, this is a challenge for people who do want to change.” “The controversial ‘Race to the Top’ program offers one of the first glimpses into how far the Obama administration is willing to go to create reform,” ABC’s Mary Bruce and Yunji de Nies report. “States will be judged based on their progress in each of the four areas and — given the way several states have been using education stimulus money to fill budget gaps rather than to innovate — it is clear that not all states will be awarded funding.” Education Secretary Arne Duncan, to ABC’s Yunji de Nies on “GMA” Friday: “We're looking for those folks that are willing to break the mold, to break through, to push a very strong reform agenda, to recognize and reward excellence.” One of the more remarkable political stories of the year: Time’s Massimo Calabresi and Michael Weisskopf go inside the final days of the Bush White House — where Vice President Dick Cheney was personally lobbying President Bush for a pardon for Scooter Libby right to the end. The incredible post-publication response from Cheney: “Scooter Libby is an innocent man who was the victim of a severe miscarriage of justice,” Cheney said, per ABC’s Jonathan Karl. Richard Armitage, Cheney said, “leaked the name and hid that fact from most of his colleagues, including the President.” Cheney added: “Mr. Libby is an honorable man and a faithful public servant who served the President, the Vice President and the nation with distinction for many years. He deserved a presidential pardon.” For stimulus (and Hollywood) watchers: “Brad Pitt's Make It Right Foundation is among a consortium applying for federal stimulus money that could expand his effort to rebuild homes in New Orleans and also launch a project in Newark, N.J.,” Variety’s Ted Johnson reports. “The stimulus money would be seed funding for an expansion of Make It Right,” said Trevor Neilson, Pitt's philanthropic and political adviser.
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He has to get this done. How can you allow kids and the poor to go without insurance. Just be faithful to whatever faith you have, and open your arms and your pocketbooks, for you-know-who’s sake. The comment about the Cambridge cop was thoughtless. But considering the vast number of thoughtless things we accepted from our previous administration…. I think we’ll let it go.
Posted by: sevresblue | July 24, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
I don’t think Obama can regroup on healthcare. He’s has not been up front & truthful with Americans. His polling numbers continue to fall. The press conference was useless, except for one point: that is, that Obama has shown how much of a racist he really is. I think the Gates situation will be Obama’s “Waterloo”. His “stupid” comments were ridiculous. Obama has put the final nail in his coffin, he won’t be re-elected. Even his own party is turning against him now.
Posted by: dk | July 24, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am
sevresblue:”How can you allow kids and the poor to go without insurance.”
While that is a nice thought, the much bigger issue is how can America continue spending twice as much per capita as the other first world nations for healthcare with no perceptible advantages. If we spent the same per capita on health care as France and put the money into paying for our government, we would eliminate the defiecit AND pay off the entire federal debt in 10 years.
Compared to every other first world nation, America is spending TRILLIONS of dollars more (10-15 over 10 years) and getting no perceptible benefit beyond a bunch of middle management jobs at insurance companies.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 24, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am
If Obama can jump to conclusions based on self-admitted ignorance about a police officer in a liberal city, then Obama can jump to conclusions on any health care proposal. How can we trust Obama will do what right under these circumstances. The People would rather wait a little longer until Obama has ALL the facts.
Posted by: waysie | July 24, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am
While I believe America does need to reform the health care system, I’m very happy that Obama’s health care plan has been tabled until the fall. You can’t rush something like this, even though, I feel the sense of urgency. This HAS to be a bi-partisan plan and I feel that the Democrats have shown Obama this, thats why they started recanting their support. It appears that this healthcare reform WAS all about “Obama”. He ran on a platform of “change”, but noticed he took out the word “hope”. Obama is about change, the problem is, the change he supports is not good for America.
Posted by: Alicia | July 24, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
No citizen is gonna read the 1000 page bill. We need to trust Obama’s judgment. Which is why, as an strong Obama supporter, he made a bad political mistake in speaking about the Gates case. He has lost lots of political capital (as they say) over this non sequitor.
Posted by: Paulpaul | July 24, 2009, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Obama shows his true colors… He is no worse than Sharpton and Jackason and all the rest of those who feel that their corruption exempts them from the law. But what do you expect from a Chicago politician. He is taking on the whole ocean… and the ocean is winning… like it always does.
Posted by: hmn | July 24, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I strongly advocate a national health care plan similar to Canada’s. I will tell anyone who will listen, I have many, many family members of all ages in Canada and they are all pretty darn happy with their free health care. The negative stories you hear are propaganda and facts taken out of context. The pharmaceutical and insurance industries are so powerful in this country, they completely control our health care system today, and their only motivation is profit, not the well-being of Americans. Our government is the only entity with the power to stand up to their profit games. The current system unfairly burdens businesses, who should not have to be yet another layer between a citizen and their healthcare, and who are taking jobs out of the country or converting to part-time labor to avoid this burden at an alarming rate. Medical billing is a nightmare for doctors. Prescription meds are pushed based not on effectiveness or safety, but on the level of profit they can generate. And 45 million people are uninsured but stil require medical care, with most of the rest of us in denial about the fact that our current healthcare providers and virtually all levels of our government are currently shouldering the resulting financial burden with no proactive or comprehensive plan how to manage it. Every other President has promised this reform in campaign speeches, and shunted it aside as too difficult after they wre elected. President Obama is not doing that, he is standing ground to make it happen as promised. Canadians don’t pay thousands in cost share for their insurance every year. It is funded by a sales tax, and most don’t notice it any more than we do our current sales taxes. I support the President’s fight to reform healthcare and develop a national plan. I hope you do as well.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | July 24, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am
In regards to Prof Gates situation and the President, President Obama was asked a question and he answered it he did not call the cop stupid. He said THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTED STUPIDLY Now I will call the Cop Stupid because now he may sue for being called Stupid and President Obama DID NOT CALL THE POLICEMAN HIMSELF STUPID! oh and bye the way The Gop is going to run this in the ground instead of coming up with Ideas to fix the Messes were in 2 wars unemployment, Healtcare,Etc they want to label The President a Racisit, when everyone with a brain knows President Obama is NOT RACISIT! Gop why dont you do the Jobs your Paid to do and Govern God Knows for the Last 8 years you didnt!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | July 24, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Police departments across America, this morning, are supporting the Cambridge police department in their handling of the Gates situation. Obama was wrong…you DON”T discredit someone without the facts. I suggest you download and read the police report on how Gates was verbally abusing the police in public. Whether he was black, white, green, yellow, whatever, he deserved to be arrested.
Posted by: Paul | July 24, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
What a “classy” government we have when the
Pres. calls a police dept. actions as “stupid”. Who does he depend on for his own safety ?! The professor?
What about the insults from the prof. towards the
mother of the police officer?! That is supposed to be
overlooked and forgotten?! Unfortunately , Mr. Obama
seems to have a knack of taking the wrong sides, at
home and around the world.
What a disappointment
Posted by: 2smart4u | July 24, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Obama has really done it this time. He has opened the floodgates of racial bias in our country. I hope the police officer sues Gates and I think he should sue Obama as well, for defamation. I can’t believe the POTUS stood up and condemned a police department for doing thier job in a press conference. Who does he want to defend our streets, Gates? C’mon, give me a break. Obama was dead wrong on this and will suffer greatly for his comments. This just shows how much of a racist Obama truly is.
Posted by: jogger | July 24, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
I find this Unbeliveable we are Going on and on about this Meanwhile The Bush Admin Mostly Cheney COMMITED WAR CRIMES Lied to start a war,Killed 1000s of our troops for no reason, and nearly bankrupted this country,and we as Americans DO NOTHING ABOUT IT! Bush/Cheney get away with it UNBELIVEABLE! What is wrong with us?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | July 24, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Obama myth number 1, it is the uninsured that are raising health care costs. In order to believe that you would have to believe that not only are there 47 million uninsured but that they are sick as well and draining the system. 70% of health care costs are generated by 10% of the population so at most there are only 4.7 million of that 47 million that are draining the system. Never the less it would be cheaper to send a check to cover those 47 million than it would to implement the plan Obama is proposing.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
On average Medicare underpayments are costing a 20% increase in your hospital bill and a 32% increase in your doctor bill. It is nearly impossible for seniors to get extra coverage so that they can supplement their Medicare in order for that cost to not get passed on to you. A promise that was made to them by the way and then broken leaving them with no choice but to accept Medicare coverage even if it is inadequate.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Obama myth number 2. Doctors order repetitive and useless tests to increase profits. Doctors order repetitive tests due to the threat of malpractice. GOP myth that malpractice is raising the cost of insurance is also false, it contributes at most only a few percentage points to costs. Medicare’s price fixing monopoly contributes the most to rising costs, pharmaceuticals are second. Neither Obama or the GOP would ever admit to this as it highlights their failure to run health care for the last 40 years.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
NoMoreMr.NiceGuy:”Never the less it would be cheaper to send a check to cover those 47 million than it would to implement the plan Obama is proposing.”
That is a lie. Run the numbers – $4,700 per person per year average cost for coverage x 47 million = $221 billion per year. Cut out the 5% (heck make it 15%) that are illegal aliens and it it is $187 billion.
The CBO analysis has put the health care bills at right around $100 billion a year (trillion dollars over the next decade).
When you have to make up blatant and very easily debunked lies to support your position, that is an indication that your position just doesn’t have any truthful support.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 24, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
NoMoreMr.NiceGuy:”Doctors order repetitive tests due to the threat of malpractice. ”
Really? Then why have the CBO analysis done on this subject over the last several year found they still order repetitive tests in states that have strict tort reform (hard caps on malpractice suits, pain and suffering, and associated awards)? Why have a number of hospitals paid out hundreds of millions for performing unnecessary heart surgeries (as determined by a review of the diagnostic imagery and files by independent experts during the investigation) to soak Medicare (to give proper credit, many of these types of cases were rooted out by the Republican administration eager to cut fraud)?
Why are your opinions apparently divorced from actual documented reality?
Posted by: jhw539 | July 24, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am
I’m so glad that the GOP and the “blue-dog” Democrats have put a stop to Obamas ranting and raving over health care. The longer Congress puts off a decision and bogs this down, the better for America. Now, it will be picked apart and then, put back together again as a bipartisan effort, not an Obama effort. Its apparent that Obama’s “shine” is wearing off: his polling numbers are nosediving, the American public are turning against him, the news media no longer call him thier “darling”, and most importantly, even his own party, the Democrats, are turning their backs on him. 2010 will usher in a Republican congress, 2012 will usher in a GOP President. I knew all along that Obama would be a one term President. His administration equates along the lines of the Jimmy Carter administration. Birds of a feather flock together.
Posted by: TomJones | July 24, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Posted by: jhw539
I never said that there weren’t unnecessary tests performed or that there wasn’t fraud in the system only that the threat of malpractice doesn’t contribute much to the cost of care, there are certainly other reasons why there are unnecessary tests ordered but the claims that they are the sole reason of health care costs is false as are the claims that doctors do this only to raise profits.
And why don’t you multiply 100 billion Obama claims this will cost by at least 9, the amount that the cost of Medicare was underestimated when it was first proposed.
A dishonest assessment of our system will never lead to true reform and neither Obama or the GOP are being totally honest and spouting off talking points based on myth doesn’t help.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am
I’m sure the RACE BAITER IN CHIEF will try, he plays the race card when he is getting his ass kicked on healthcare.. this latest little squabble is what he had planned to get the healthcare out of the spotlight
Posted by: Obamas brownnosing media network | July 24, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
I suggest bloggers access the bill proposed on line. Even if you only read random passages it will be enough to have blood shooting out your eyes!
Posted by: Downwithsocialism | July 24, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
As a retired federal employee I have a choice of several health care programs and once I chose the wrong one. I chose it because of lower cost, but it achieved that lower cost by using a panel of retired doctors and nurses contesting every charge.
It proved to be a nightmare, my wife had a fungus growth on a prosthetic heart valve and was in the hospital six weeks for IV therapy and heart surgery to replace the valve.
That insurance company required pre-certification, then required it again and again when she was transferred to other hospitals.
The insurance company never authorized more than four days stay at a time. It tried to reduce surgical charges by inferring that multiple procedures were performed in the same operating site and a variety of other ruses.
If my wife had not had a persistent and knowledgeable fighter like me she would have incurred a bill that she could not pay.
Now, consider with 50 million people on public healthcare just how many appeals might there be. How long would it take for resolution? Would everyone live long enough for resolution? What about those without the moxy and energy to fight?
Ever wonder why there are so many social security lawyers advertising on TV? Think about it!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | July 24, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
You don’t have to wonder what Obamacare will look like as it will look like Medicaid, Medicare and VA care with extra control and lack of choice thrown in for good measure. If you feel trapped by your private insurance now imagine if it was the only game in town.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
More government anything will just lead to more corruption. Look at NJ’s current corruption scandal as a perfect example. You will have more bribery and politicians looking to get at the government funds by any means necessary even if it means getting their hands dirty.
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 24, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Flooding America’s emergency rooms with patients (they wont be afraid to go for just about any reason because they wont have to foot the bill) isnt going to help the healthcare system at all. Neither is reducing the incentive to become a doctor. Many doctors will retire if the bill were to pass as well.
Posted by: guesswhaturwrong | July 24, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
NoMoreMr.NiceGuy:”Obama myth number 2. Doctors order repetitive and useless tests to increase profits. ” Jul 24, 2009 9:49:15 AM
NoMoreMr.NiceGuy:”I never said that there weren’t unnecessary tests performed” Jul 24, 2009 10:06:49 AM
Uh, yes. Yes you did. I provided a few verifiable, documented facts that STRONGLY suggest that some Drs and hospitals do order tests and procedures to increase profits, and now you are denying ever saying it… even though it’s still posted on the page you know.
Posted by: jhw539 | July 24, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
nationalized healthcare would doom this country. we have the best health care system in the world. why change it? everyone that I know from canada comes to the US for GOOD healthcare. We will not have doctors if this happens, but I guess that will make lawyers happy. That is who needs to be targeted, not doctors trying to save lives
Posted by: s. smith | July 24, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Paulpaul – You said “No citizen is gonna read the 1000 page bill. We need to trust Obama’s judgment.”
Go read the piece of c&^% bill that they are trying to pass. It sets NO standards, it sets NO premiums, it sets NO limits, it sets NO co-pays, it sets NO deductible. It is just a shell to be filled in later, we shouldn’t buy this until they have filled in the details and we know what we are getting. Would you buy something sight unseen just because someone said you should?
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | July 24, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am
“Yes, he can.” It is not that they don’t want a health care program, it is just that they cannot agree on things and this is not an easy job. They also do not want to give up a part of their vacation time, so hopefully, when they come back they will be fresh and get this thing done. People will be very disappointed in them if they don’t. Obama will push hard after they come back. Of course, the republicans hope it fails as they hope he fails but he has been successful in many areas and they refuse to give him any credit. Politics is a mean life and I think Obama has had a hard enough life to be strong. I pray for all of them to do the right thing.
Posted by: talmag | July 24, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Iamwoman–interesting contrast. My Canadian relatives come to America for their care. The Saudi Royal Family chose the Mayo Clinic. The end of your commentary points out our friends in the North do not have “free” health care as their taxes have been raised to pay for it. It intrigues me that our current “Public Health” system that is already in place isn’t a piece of this conversation. My neighbor’s housekeeper goes to a government funded clinic when she needs prescriptions or care. Granted she waits for hours and never sees the same doctor but its “free.”
Posted by: EGBOK321 | July 24, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Posted by: jhw539
There are many reasons why repetitive tests might be ordered, Obama stated only one. That is a disservice to the truth and to doctors as is the GOP claiming that malpractice is the only reason that costs are rising, that was my point. The fact that some doctors do rip off Medicare and Medicaid to the tune of billions or millions, I can’t remember your figure, doesn’t increase trust in a govt. system that is failing at every level whether it is oversight, costs, or choice and to not recognize the true failures in the system does nothing to insure that it gets better.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
No one is against reform. My choice would be to have everyone off of either govt. or employer based coverage and forced into the private sector with heavy regulations , no one could be turned down, the cost is based on a sliding scale based on income, the poor are subsidized by the govt. I would mandate uniformity and modernization and strict govt. oversight of costs and controlling fraud and limiting malpractice. This is the middle, giving people choice (what they want most), lessening risk, enforcing coverage to keep costs lower and not having the cost of health care affect the economy in other ways by increasing the burden on taxpayers and employers. If every other business in America is regulated there is no reason this can’t be done.
Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | July 24, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS do not want “Obama Care”, that should be obvious from his falling approval ratings. That, along with Obama’s display of blatent racism in the recent Gates matter will doom his reelection bid in 2012.
Posted by: Ron | July 24, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
jhw539: It would be far cheaper to just cover those Americans who want insurance but can’t afford it. Your numbers are pretty far off. According to 2007 Census Data, of the supposed 47M uninsured, more than 10M are illegal aliens. We’re now at 37M. Of the remaining 37M, 16M are those who can afford insurance but choose not to have any (most age 18-35). Now we’re down to 21M. Of those, 7M are only in a short term non-coverage situation and will have insurance again in the next 3-6 months. This leaves 14M in a long-term no insurance situation. 14M X $4,700 per year = $65.8B…a far cry from your propaganda number of $185B. So let me get this straight…you want to destroy the best healthcare system in the world, one that 285 million people are happy with for the sake of giving 14M people free care? Doesn’t make any sense and only proves that this has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with control and taking our freedom. Sounds like the only lies being told are those comning from you and the liberal propaganda machine… BTW, let’s do the math…if this plan will cost $100B per year as you claim, and we will be covering 300M people, the annual cost to cover one person is $333.00…or $27.75 per month. Conclusion: Either Obama is lying about the cost or politicians can’t do math.
Posted by: Charlie from Texas | July 24, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Pelosi wants to ram nationalized (or socialized) health care through during this session. Why? Because she knows that if lawmakers go home they will hear the truth from real people. Real people (unlike DC propagandists) do not want socialized medicine! Call or email your state’s representatives now!!!
Posted by: Post the truth! | July 24, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Pelosi is an idiot. If you go and read the bill she is trying to pass you will find that it has NO specifics as to what the plan is. She is selling nothing but a shell with all of the details to be filled in at some later date. I can understand why the Repbulicans and the Blue Dog Democrats are resisting this thing. They realize that Congress is responsible for spending our (the taxpayers) money in a responsible manner. Only an idiot would buy something sight unseen with details to be given after the purchase.
One Big A** Mistake America
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | July 24, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
sevresblue- Intelligent people can not accept nationalized medicine. It does not work! Don’t be ignorant! The poor already get health care that is far better than what nationalized (socialized) health care has to offer them. You think the economy is bad now? Pass this bill and watch the horror.
Posted by: Post the truth! | July 24, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Everyone against this bill has to call their respective Senators and Representatives and tell them that if they vote yes, you will personally do everyhting possible to campaign against them in the next election and see to it that they are voted out. A few million phone calls may have an impact. If we just sit back, this will get rammed through…we need to take action!
Posted by: Charlie from Texas | July 24, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I find it hard to believe Obama wants to introduce this bill when first and foremost Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and Welfare need to be reformed! That should be priority number 1! Our elders should not have to worry about treatment, it should be a given to every American Citizen! After these programs are reformed “then” pursue universal health care. It’s like bricks being stacked on a 2×4, if you keep adding without reinforcment it will eventually break leaving rubble for our offspring to repair. Our parties need to unite and work for what’s best for “We the People”!!! Not what one’s ego dictates!
Posted by: fabian | July 24, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
And why hasn’t ABC posted anything about this? ***Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Thursday announced that the Senate would wait until after recess to bring the bill to a vote, and President Obama said it was “OK” to miss his deadline so long as lawmakers are working in earnest to reach a compromise. Here’s the catch: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has set the legislative throttle at full-speed-ahead as she plans to bring health care reform to a floor vote by the August recess. Democratic leaders are considering bypassing the House Energy and Commerce Committee, merging the bills that have passed out of two other House committees and bringing that to the floor. This would avert the trouble of granting concessions to the Blue Dogs, who hold several seats on the Energy and Commerce Committee! She said the “plan” is to vote before recess and said she wouldn’t necessarily wait on the Senate Finance Committee!***She is a virus to Congress and needs to be removed!” Note: Democratic consultant Dan Gerstein penned a column this week calling for Pelosi’s ouster. The $787 billion stimulus, he said, was “too focused on paying Democratic constituencies and not enough on creating jobs.” The cap-and-trade climate bill that recently passed out of the House and is now in the Senate is a “Frankenstein monster.” The final stake, he said, is her guidance of a House health care bill that the Congressional Budget Office says will not control costs. “That to me is a pretty strong record that she is not capable of moving his agenda,” said Gerstein, who also cited a Politico.com poll this week showing 24 percent of people trust Pelosi.*** Ok… do you see the light now?
Posted by: fabian | July 24, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
The last decent chance for healthcare reform was 38 years ago [under the proposal of Richard Nixon, of all dogs!]
After the 1970′s, healthcare fell into the hands of business for profit — and here’s the result of healthcare capitalism. low quality delivered, for high cost.
Come on people, support President Obama in moving ahead with keeping people insured & covered during the economic crunch. with more people out of work, they can’t afford to keep their coverage. people like you and me. no one wants their children going without insurance coverage, or working people to lose their savings and homes to pay for illness care.
It took 38 years of healthcare for profit capitalism to get us to this point==incredible wealth for the large pharmaceuticals & insurers, and rationed care for the masses.
It will likely take time long to turn it around. In the meantime, people losing their jobs, the underinsured and you and I need to have available affordable healthcare. The free-market system has left healthcare consumers without reasonable choices.
Posted by: gus amaral | July 24, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
the other element in the problem of keeping costs of healthcare down is that people are becoming more unhealthy-heavier, less excercise, poorer quality of food consumed.
so it’s a spiraling problem, and a public health issue. I admire the President for pushing ahead to make the first of necessary changes [keep the ill covered by insurance].
Posted by: gus amaral | July 24, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
NYT: WASHINGTON
President Obama
“If I see a proposal that is primarily funded through taxing middle-class families, I’m going to be opposed to that,” Mr. Obama said. “A surcharge on the highest-income Americans, under consideration in the House, “meets my principle,” he said.
Conceding that “folks are skeptical,” he sought to convince Americans that overhauling the nation’s health care system would benefit them and strengthen the economy.
“If somebody told you that there is a plan out there that is guaranteed to double your health-care costs over the next 10 years,” he said, “that’s guaranteed to result in more Americans losing their health care, and that is by far the biggest contributor to our federal deficit, I think most people would be opposed to that,”
“That’s what we have right now,” he said. “So if we don’t change, we can’t expect a different result.”
Posted by: gus amaral | July 24, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
In an interview with ABC News that was to be broadcast on “Nightline,” Mr. Obama said he was “surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don’t need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who’s in his own home.”
He said that he had heard Sergeant Crowley was an “outstanding police officer,” but added that with all that is going on in the country, “it doesn’t make sense to arrest a guy in his own home if he’s not causing a serious disturbance.”
The police dropped disorderly conduct charges against Professor Gates on Tuesday.
Posted by: gus amaral | July 24, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Charlie from Texas – Get smart, go read the bill. It is over 1000 pages with NO SPECIFICS as to what will be in the healthcare they want us to have. When they have the details that is when the bill should be voted on not now. Do you walk around and buy something unseen in a brown paper bag just because someone says you need what is inside with no idea what you are getting.
All of you who are for this particular bill need to realize that it is an empty bill and doesn’t mean a thing the way it is written. They talk about premiums but never mention how much, they talk about coverage but never mention what is and is not covered.
Go to the house Energy and Commerce Committe site and you can see this piece of C$%^ which means absolutly nothing the way it is written.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | July 24, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
The poor and middle class will not get the health coverage they need for two reasons. (1)Republicans are doing what they usually do: Using scare tactics. (2)Democrats are doing what they usually do: Demonstrating the cohesiveness of “a sackful of rats in a burning meth lab.”* (A tip of the hat to Two & a Half Men for that image.)
Posted by: Cassandra | July 24, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
It was not a perfect game. This was going to be messy, ugly, unpleasant, and occasionally nasty. And if the deadline didn’t shift, it was going to fail, too.
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