By Caitlin Taylor

Jul 29, 2009 7:58am

The Note: Choice & Consequences — Liberals Threaten to Bolt on Health Care Reform

By RICK KLEIN This one he can’t solve over beers. Somebody’s going to be unhappy at the end. There will be winners and there will be losers. (Though that doesn’t make it a fair fight.) The middle — or what passes for it in Congress — is in control of the agenda, at least for now. One health care path is too far left to have a realistic shot at passing; the other, too far right. How this gets hashed out will be the defining battle of health care reform 2009. And the defining question for both sides: Is something better than nothing — even if it’s something they really, really don’t like? Among the very many obstacles to getting something substantive done: The two sides have different answers to that question. And at least on one of those sides — over on President Obama’s left — there’s disagreement on whether a half-measure beats no measure at all. That’s the president’s leadership challenge as he hits the road with two public events on health care Wednesday. (And when might he have something new to say?) As for his wishes — look out on the left. Time’s Karen Tumulty asks the president whether a co-op could be the “public option” he’s been looking for:  “Well, I think in theory you can imagine a co-operative meeting that definition,” Obama said. “Obviously sort of the legal structure of it is less important than practically how can it operate. There are concerns that in the past, attempts at setting up co-ops have not been successful because they just haven't been able to get off the ground; sort of the start-up energy involved may not exist if you're doing a state-by-state co-op effort as opposed to a broad national plan.” As for guidance to Congress: “The truth is we've actually, I think, provided more guidance than has been advertised,” the president said.  (Quick counter-point: “I did a lot of reading on the history of co-ops,” said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., per ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf. “And it is not nice reading.”)  Choices, choices: “Congress, it's now clear, is crafting two quite different kinds of health-care reform. And the day that President Obama has to choose between them grows near,” Harold Meyerson writes in his Washington Post column. “Obama should thank the solonic six [in the Finance Committee] for their work, and, as much as is politically practicable, ignore it.”  “Bipartisan Senate negotiators are weakening some of his top priorities, leaving the president with a difficult choice: He can give ground, and implore disappointed liberals to go along with him. Or he can try to ram through a Democratic bill with his wishes intact, infuriating Republicans,” the AP’s Chuck Babington writes.  As for what the public wants: The president has a 53 percent approval rate in a new NPR poll, with 42 percent disapproving — “the narrowest gap of the Obama presidency to date,” NPR’s Ron Elving reports. “When asked about the plan now moving through Congress, a plurality of 47 percent was opposed and 42 percent said they were in favor, based on what they had heard about the plan so far.”  Nate Silver says the president needs a speech, as in “A Speech,” not a road show: “There is definite risk of overexposure. The President is not as popular now as he was a few months ago, and he's being associated with a still-unformed health care ‘bill’ that definitely isn't all that popular and in fact may be dragging his numbers down,” Silver writes at FiveThirtyEight.  Where’s the clamor, again? From Gallup: “Forty-four percent of Americans believe a new healthcare reform law would improve medical care in the U.S., contrasted with 26% who say it would improve their personal medical care. Forty-seven percent of Americans believe reform will expand access to healthcare in the U.S., while 21% say it will expand their own access to healthcare. . . . These results do not coalesce into a terribly optimistic picture of Americans' views of the perceived impact of healthcare reform.”  Getting crowded: “When wavering is what the U.S. economy seems to do best these days, the President confronts a new question: Does his own agenda threaten to choke off the economic recovery that he also promises — and that will define much of his legacy?” Nina Easton writes for Fortune. “Both of his legislative campaigns for the fall, health-care reform and the cap-and-trade plan to curb carbon emissions, could put new burdens on a weak economy.”  The administration’s favorite headline of the day: “Senators Close on Health Accord.”  “Assuming the fragile committee coalition holds, the legislation it produces would scramble the reform landscape by introducing policy ideas that have their origins in the political center,” Shailagh Murray and Paul Kane write in The Washington Post. “The bill is bound to disappoint liberals. But with prominent GOP backing, it also could prove more difficult for Republicans to reject out of hand — the approach they have taken to the House bill and a second Senate version, written by the health committee.”  Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: “There are times when I have to set aside my personal preferences for the good of the Senate and I think the country.” Anyone else have the good of the country in mind? “Because we want three Republicans to come along on this, we betray what the American people want?” Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, tells the AP. “I don't think so.”  “Some Democrats are threatening to oppose any bill that excludes this [public] option, and sympathetic outside groups are pressuring wavering lawmakers,” Laura Meckler and Naftali Bendavid report in The Wall Street Journal. “Health Care for America Now, a liberal group, and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees spent $800,000 on television ads targeting moderate Democrats, citing their opposition to a public option.”  They continue: “The liberal anxiety also is fueled by the White House, which has sent mixed messages. Asked Tuesday about the likelihood that the Senate Finance Committee bill will lack a vigorous public plan, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs declined to pass judgment.” Other types of movement: “Fearing a budding Finance Committee health care compromise will leave their priorities in the dust, many Senate Democrats are now looking to the next legislative steps to ensure their coveted policy reforms survive,” Roll Call’s David M. Drucker reports.  “There comes a point where some of us will say getting a bill out at any cost is not a panacea if it's a bad bill,” Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., tells McClatchy’s David Lightman and William Douglas.  Get ready for the liberal drumbeat: “There's no inherent value to passing a health care bill, per se. If it doesn't contain the elements that make it worthwhile, progressives shouldn't let it out of Congress, and Obama should make clear that a Blue Dog bill would be vetoed. A bad bill would be worse than no bill,” Scott Lemieux writes in The American Prospect.  A deadline that does matter: “Democratic leaders are clinging to hope of progress on health care reform before Congress breaks for its August recess, but marathon negotiating sessions in the House yielded no breakthroughs Tuesday, and the list of open issues grew longer rather than shorter,” Carrie Budoff Brown and Patrick O’Connor report for Politico. “For Pelosi, Ross and Waxman, the over-used ‘we're making progress’ claim now seems to suggest they are making anything but.”
  We’re suckers for new analogies: “You can think of Congress’s efforts to pay for health reform as being a little bit like a battle to slay a many-headed Hydra,” David Leonhardt writes in The New York Times. “Members of Congress have come up with one idea after another to pay for covering the uninsured. But they still haven’t put together legislation that could pass. And that’s in large part because most of those ideas have a basic flaw. They do not raise revenue as quickly as health costs rise.”  Another shot at bipartisanship? The Washington Post’s Ruth Marcus reminds us that there’s always Wyden-Bennett and Daschle-Dole-Baker: “Tom Daschle showed that the front door is open. Bob Dole and Howard Baker showed that they could walk through it. Won't President Obama take another look — and join them?”  
(Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., will be on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Wednesday — live streaming at noon ET at ABCNews.com.) The president hits two town halls in two different media markets Wednesday — yet, it appears, without much new to say. First up is a high school in Raleigh, N.C., at 11:55 am ET; then comes a late afternoon event at a Kroger supermarket in Bristol, Va.
Air cover from the DNC: The “Broke It” campaign launches Thursday, taking on key GOP leaders over the economy. “They supported the Bush policies that sank our economy into recession,” the script of the TV ad reads. “They broke it — now they refuse to fix it.” The campaign also includes a radio component, plus local press calls targeting GOP leadership: Rep. Mike Pence, House Minority Leader John Boehner, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl. “The goal is to not only detail the benefits the stimulus opponents are seeing in their individual states, but to also lay the blame of the still-sputtering economy on the policies of the Bush administration,” Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports.  (And just a reminder that the AARP isn’t the only group that knows how to hold a tele-town hall. Senate Republicans have been hosting them on the health care issue since June 6 — with more on tap before the August recess. Organized by Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., GOP aides say they have drawn more than a million callers so far.) Feeling confident (remember how Harry Reid felt when Social Security was going nowhere fast, in 2005?): “House Republicans, and a handful of Democrats, are on the verge of a historic victory for American taxpayers and for the American health care economy,” Pence, the chairman of the House Republican Conference, told reporters Tuesday, per ABC’s Dean Norland.  Look for the Republican Study Committee (though not the House leadership bill) proposal Thursday: “What it’ll do is make it so that it’s financially feasible [to obtain health coverage], attractive — and foolish for anybody not to be insured through the tax code,” RSC Chairman Tom Price, R-Ga., said on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line.”  Tightening belts (and buying belts at Marshall’s?): “With the budget deficit soaring toward $2 trillion, the Department of Justice has figured out how to play its part: double-sided photocopying,” Jonathan Weisman reports in The Wall Street Journal. “To cut costs, the Forest Service will stop painting vehicles green. There are other acts of national sacrifice. The Forest Service will no longer repaint its new, white vehicles green immediately upon purchase. The Army will start packing more soldiers onto R&R flights. The Navy will delete unused email accounts.”  “Some of these cuts are so small they would be a rounding error of a rounding error in the federal budget,” said Brian Riedl, a federal budget expert at the Heritage Foundation. Challenges ahead: Attorney General Eric Holder sits down exclusively with ABC News’ Senior Justice Correspondent Pierre Thomas Wednesday in Washington for a discussion on closing the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, and whether the Justice Department will move forward with a criminal investigation into the Bush administration’s interrogation practices. Look for the interview on “Nightline” Wednesday night, with excerpts earlier on “World News with Charles Gibson,” and more on Thursday’s “Good Morning America.” Gitmo: “The fate of one of the youngest detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison is emerging as a major test of whether the courts or the president has the final authority over when prisoners there are released,” William Glaberson writes in The New York Times. “After a federal judge said earlier this month that the government’s case for holding the detainee, Mohammed Jawad, was ‘riddled with holes,’ the Obama administration conceded defeat and agreed that Mr. Jawad would no longer be considered a military detainee. But the administration said it would still hold him at the prison in Cuba for possible prosecution in the United States.”  AP bulletin out of Dublin: “Irish justice minister: Ireland is accepting 2 released prisoners from Guantanamo Bay.” Also Wednesday: “Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is expected to outline Wednesday the Obama administration's domestic approach to preventing terrorist attacks — a strategy that will rely in large measure on refining and expanding initiatives launched under President George W. Bush,” The Wall Street Journal’s Cam Simpson reports.  The RNC’s biennial meeting starts Wednesday in San Diego, and it’s calendar time: “Members of a select RNC panel aimed at reforming the primary process will hold their first meeting during the four-day-long meeting in San Diego. And members of the full committee will be allowed to testify on behalf of their preferred remedies,” Reid Wilson writes for The Hill.  And: “Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R), a potential 2012 contender whose profile has grown in recent weeks, will address the body in a keynote speech on Thursday.” On your schedule Wednesday: ex-presidential contenders on energy. Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., touts nuclear energy at a noon ET speech at the American Enterprise Institute.
 
Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., is at the National Press Club at 1 pm ET touting a proposed US/Chinese partnership on climate change prior to December’s Copenhagen talks. What we didn’t get this week: “Relations between the United States and China are getting cozier as their battle against the global recession has drawn them closer together. But things aren't quite so warm when it comes to some hot-button topics, particularly climate change,” the Los Angeles Times’ Jim Puzzanghera and David Pierson write. “U.S. and Chinese officials ended two days of high-level talks in Washington on Tuesday still at loggerheads on the issue, a top priority for President Obama.”  
 
What the Chinese did get, at least: “China’s most tangible take away from the meetings may be the signed basketball they received from President Obama, which one Chinese official raised above his head during the policy-makers’ closing remarks,” ABC’s Kirit Radia and Matthew Jaffe report.  A presidency with too many, well, goals? “From soccer to the Olympics to even the college football championship system, Obama certainly has been outspoken on sports issues. But is the president risking overexposure by weighing in on so much outside the political arena?” ABC’s Karen Travers writes.  Gates-gate fallout: “The right-wing attempt to exploit the president's comment in order to rally a race-based opposition is not only ugly, but dangerous. If it were ever to succeed, the country would pay a terrible price in the form of renewed antagonisms and suspicions for a generation or more,” Bob Shrum writes for The Week.  Sarah Palin: the new Hillary Clinton? “The Alaskan who shot to stardom a year ago as the tough embodiment of Diana the Huntress has now stepped down as governor and morphed into what the Republicans always caricatured Hillary as — preachy, screechy and angry,” Maureen Dowd writes in her New York Times column.  Said GOP strategist Mike Murphy: “If Sarah Palin looked like Golda Meir, would we even be talking about her today?” Health scare in the Capitol: Per ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf, “5 high school students who work in the Senate as pages have flu-like symptoms that the attending physician believes are ‘most likely’ influenza and ‘quite possibly’ the swine flu.”  Card-check wars: Running Wednesday in Virginia newspapers, a message for Senators Jim Webb, D-Va., and Mark Warner, D-Va.: “Bin-ding Ar-bi-tra-tion. ‘bīn-dĭng ‘är-bə-’trā-shən -n: A mandate from the federal government to business owners whereby a bureaucrat decides the terms of a non-negotiable two-year ‘employment’ contract. That contract is then forced by law onto private businesses and their employees if the owner and labor union cannot agree on terms of a contract.”  Another endorsement for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, I-N.Y.: “I think he is a great candidate. I think what he has done for education, what he has done to manage the economic problems New York is having, what he has done for safety, what he has done for tourism, he is an independent guy who is always trying to solve problems,” Colin Powell told CNN’s Larry King. “And he is working for the whole city. So I think Mike Bloomberg should be given a third term. And yes, I would say, reelect Mike Bloomberg.”
The Kicker: “This is about having a beer.” — White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, trying not to impart too much meaning onto Thursday’s scheduled summit between the professor and the police officer.  “No by proxy.” — Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., casting votes for three Republican colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee on Judge Sonia Sotomayor’s Supreme Court nomination. 
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User Comments

More lies? Yeah, probably so.

Posted by: LongT | July 29, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Americans are tired of the Obama lies, especially with this so called “health care” reform. Look at Obama’s poll numbers. They are falling quickly to earth. Americans have awaken and are rejecting Obama and his lies. 2012 will be the end of this “one-term” President. His numbers are worse than Jimmy Carters at this point in office. Obama=empty suit, with no substance.

Posted by: Maria | July 29, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am

It would seem the media is loving this drama. Further, it would appear that the media is making more of this issue to keep people stirred up and make them crazy. In the end the democrats will come together and vote what 72% of the people want which is health care reform! Now, all you people getting paid to put down the health care reform issue stating posting.

Posted by: had it | July 29, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am

@had it – Thank you. @Maria – What lies? What have you been reading? Please get on board. The current system is broken, we all agree.

Posted by: Gerald | July 29, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Americans are tired of the Obama lies, especially with this so called “health care” reform. Look at Obama’s poll numbers. They are falling quickly to earth. Americans have awaken and are rejecting Obama and his lies. 2012 will be the end of this “one-term” President. His numbers are worse than Jimmy Carters at this point in office. Obama=empty suit, with no substance.
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Obama might have dropped in the polls slightly but it doesn’t compare to Bush’s approval rating when he left office, I think might have been the lowest of all presidents. WTG, President Obama, stay on course, we need health care reform.

Posted by: veronica | July 29, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am

I’d put up a bill with the public option plan, let the Blue Dogs vote it down and then stand for their next election on the basis of having trashed health care reform. To me it is undemocratic that a majority of the Senate (elected by a majority of the people) can’t pass something. They have to have 60% so that the minority Republicans and a few recalcitrant Democrats can trash the whole thing.
As I see it, if you don’t have a public option, all you’ll get is another Medicare Drug Plan. Remember that fiasco? Huge donut hole, skyrocketing insurance and drug prices after first year. That bill was pushed by the GOP after it was written by the health, drug and insurance industries to put billions in their pockets, and that’s what it did.
I think the majority of Americans, even the insured ones, know they will lose their health care or job (to keep from having to insure them) as soon as someone in their family gets an expensive illness. It happens to tens of thousands each month. They call it rescission.
Better no so-called reform at all if we can’t get a public health care option. Let those who are owned by the lobbies and the big companies vote it down, and then face the voters.

Posted by: JAB | July 29, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Looks like democracy is breaking out in the United States: open debate on healthcare plans, discussion, town hall meetings and a President in charge who can articulate every position and signal a willingness to compromise.
It’s Morning in America!

Posted by: Amy B Maine | July 29, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

He may pull it off but the ones who vote for it in both houses will fall for it. This abc is not reporting the grass roots stories and how the townhall meetings become yelling matches against thier representitives. The houses will be cleaned out

Posted by: Jim Rod | July 29, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

There is no reform without the public option
No public option means no Democrats in 2010
No Obama in 2012
Now that’s change you can believe in

Posted by: Chuck | July 29, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Withholding medical care from the elderly to encourage faster death is GENOCIDE. Why isn’t anyone calling it what it really is? GEN⋅O⋅CIDE: noun -
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Posted by: Angela | July 29, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

This attempt at a gigantic power-grab by our socialist president will not pass. People are becoming wise to his ways now, even some of the mindless idiots who voted for him. My prediction is that his approval #’s will be in the 30′s by this time next year. Welcome back Carter!

Posted by: Dave | July 29, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

I cannot believe that the media is behind a bill that will forever change this country should it be passed.
READ THE BILL, there is SO MANY bad idea in it.
The Constitution DOES NOT give our elected officials this power, and it’s time we started to remind them of it.
Do we need reform, yes, but the government should not be any part of it, other than mediator if best.
This is about control folks, the government taking over our lives, it’s socialist, and damaging.

Posted by: Gary (ciscoguy2) | July 29, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Health Care Reform is necessary BUT why are we rushing into it?
The proposed bill is over 1,000 pages – how long did it take to develope – most importantly HOW many representatives OR their staff have even read the bill and understand it?????
It took President Obama and his family longer to pick a dog then develope the Health Care Bill!

Posted by: Ron | July 29, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am

agree with Chuck, I believe that the next step would to be to build furnaces to put the elderly and sick in to get rid of them…remind you of another sicko????

Posted by: bladedog | July 29, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

We baby boomers were derided during last year’s campaign by Obama and his media sycophants, notably Jonathan Alter who urged us to step aside for a new generation of leaders who wouldn’t be stuck ‘re-litigating the 1960′s’.
Well, where’s the evidence that this post-racial president has moved beyond race-based ‘grievance’ mongering?

Posted by: s. valenti | July 29, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am

These are phenomenally bad bills that would advise senior citizens about euthanasia as an alternative to life saving procedures, result in outlawing private insurance and lead to the rationing of care while stifling technology. The current health care system needs reform, but, my god, Obama and his henchman are out to destroy the system and take more of our freedoms away from each and everyone of us. This is an outrage. Please make sure your Congressman hears loudly about the continuing insults to the American people coming from the current powers that be.

Posted by: BubblerDad | July 29, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

I see many people bringing up Obama’s poll number to say he is losing popularity, when in fact poll numbers point to a decline for not only Obama but all politicians, repub and dem alike. Not to mention the fact that whereas national poll numbers still show Obama around 60% approval whereas repub leaders like McConnell and Boehner are at at 23%. If you are gonna cite poll numbers at least manage to keep some context.

Posted by: Ordermonger | July 29, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Americans do not want government controlled health care. Reform, yes. Government, NO!
If this passes, it will be Obama’s “Iraq war.” It has not been thoroughly researched, it is being pushed through on a rushed timetable, and other viable alternatives have not been considered.

Posted by: KCNelson | July 29, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Harvard researchers say 62% of all personal bankruptcies in the US in 2007 were caused by health problems — and 78% of those filers had insurance.

Posted by: Lifesajourney | July 29, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am

No question public option gets tossed to please the Blue Dogs. Maybe that sets up something for later in his presidency? White House would much rather appear to be flexible and bipartisan, painting the GOP as stubborn and uncompromising. It’s working…

Posted by: matt | July 29, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

We were warned by our founders, we must be vigilant and not allow time to make us forget! Freedom is not forever unless we the people fight for it!
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”.
“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government”.
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government”.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty”.
Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Curt | July 29, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Obama is blowing smoke. Someone needs to go to one of those phony Townhall meeting and question him pointedly on the socialistic, senior killing provisions of H.R. 3200. If he isn’t forced to answer factual questions he’ll just continue exercising his personal smoke generator and deceiving the people.

Posted by: rplat | July 29, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Sounds good but cuts to Medicare often directly result in job losses in the medical industry (one where the US is still currently a leader). Not to mention reduced care for those who are already on tight budgets. You know, He’ll generate 100′s of billions in dollars in artificial jobs for regular workers and all but then take 35B away from the engineers, scientists, technicians, and assembly line workers that work in the medical companies. American companies whose large portion of revenue comes from Medicaid. The products are expensive to design and manufacture (especially due to working with the FDA) and the patients themselves can’t afford them. They will be forced to go without and the businesses supplying the products will suffer, layoffs and loss of medical leadership in the US will be the end result. Maybe your Grandparents can still get a pacemaker from China under new price limits that will force US companies out of business.

Posted by: Phil | July 29, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

I hope there are others out there like me that will fight and die if necessary to take back our country if this is allowed to happen. This is government intervention and a loss of freedom on an unimaginable scale! Reform can happen without the government taking over our healthcare system, but this isn’t about reform. Its about setting up a framwork that will allow the government to set impossible standards which will force out private insurers!

Posted by: Curt | July 29, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

I would like to see you re-run the 20/20 show you did on Medicare/medicade fraud. I took care of my mother and father-in-law and I never saw an invoice that I would consider fraud. I am for health care for all. I just have my doubts about the money to support health insurance for all. I am on Medicare.

Posted by: Vickie | July 29, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

The cost of health care could lead to the next big blow to the economy. Insurance companies are currently making record profits. The average cost of insurance has rising by 70-80% across the US since 2001. In many states there is very little competition in the market. I live in Indiana where 70% of insurance is through a single company, which sets the rates where they want. A public plan equals more competition for consumers and helps keep rates lower.

Posted by: Ordermonger | July 29, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Any one old enought to remember the movie Soylent Green? Is that in the Health Care Reform too?

Posted by: susie | July 29, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

For those of you who think that this reform will kill off elder Americans: what the hell are you drinking??!! Do you see how the right wing neocons, urged by insurance and drug companies are scaring you into believing this and other crap? They will stop at nothing to get this reform killed! Do you actually believe that our country would allow that? You better start thinking for yourself and stop believing the propaganda that limburger et al are spewing!! I can’t believe these d a people are actually telling people with no insurance that this reform is bad for them! Unbelievable!

Posted by: had it | July 29, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Many Canadians seek treatment in the United States(and I can testify to this as I live in a border town in the U.S. where many Canadians come to the United States for treatment). The reasons:
1) There are shortages of physicians in Canada because physicians are paid better in the United States and many Canadian physicians have left Canada for the United States. 2) The wait lines and shortages of diagnostic facilities such as MRI or diagnostic imaging centers in Canada. Obama care will deliver to the United States the worst aspects of Canadian health care and exacerbate shortages of physicians and health care providers here. This is not to say that our system can’t use some improvement, but Obama is presenting a false choice when he says it’s either his stupid plan or nothing. Those are NOT the choices.
U.S. states are individually experimenting with different health care reforms as we speak and other health care reform proposals do exist(McCain’s, AHIP’s, Aetna’s CEO, Republican bill in Senate). Bush even had a proposal to give individuals a greater tax deduction to buy insurance(which the Democrats rejected even though they claim to represent the little guy and this would have helped the average person better afford insurance). The fact the media fawns over Obama and basically only covers his plan doesn’t mean other alternatives don’t exist. I encourage people to look into these alternatives because they are much better alternatives than Obama’s rushed, bloated, unaffordable, Canadian style health care plan.

Posted by: ConstantXI | July 29, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Ordermonger,
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to allow insurance companies to cross state lines easily? That would drive down your cost by bringing in competition and save tax $ by not having gov’t run healthcare.

Posted by: stdntDrvr | July 29, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am

The Right Wing could participate in this health care debate by offering alternatives – instead, they spread rumors that the government will force old people to kill themselves. My Dad was a Republican, he was an intelligent man, when did the Republican Party turn to fear mongering and spreading misinformation to influence the public? The Right Wing lie machine is a disgrace to our democracy.

Posted by: Amy B Maine | July 29, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

The focus of this article is entirely misplaced. “Can Obama pull it off—T Minus Ten days”?
I thought it wasn’t about Obama(according to Obama) but this article basically underscores that it is. The article seems less concerned with what we’d actually have to live with or what’s in the bill than with “can Obama pull it off”? Like it’s a “success” if Obama succeeds in rushing this thing through before the details leak out?
How about more focus on what’s in the bill and how it would affect us than with this infatuation with “Can Obama pull it off”?

Posted by: ConstantXI | July 29, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Many Canadians also seek treatment in the United States(and I can testify to this as I live in a border town in the U.S. where many Canadians come to the United States for treatment). The reasons:
1) There are shortages of physicians in Canada because physicians are paid better in the United States and many Canadian physicians have left Canada for the United States. 2) The wait lines and shortages of diagnostic facilities such as MRI or diagnostic imaging centers in Canada. Obama care will deliver to the United States the worst aspects of Canadian health care and exacerbate shortages of physicians and health care providers here. This is not to say that our system can’t use some improvement, but Obama is presenting a false choice when he says it’s either his stupid plan or nothing. Those are NOT the choices.
U.S. states are individually experimenting with different health care reforms as we speak and other health care reform proposals do exist(McCain’s, AHIP’s, Aetna’s CEO, Republican bill in Senate). Bush even had a proposal to give individuals a greater tax deduction to buy insurance(which the Democrats rejected even though they claim to represent the little guy and this would have helped the average person better afford insurance). The fact the media fawns over Obama and basically only covers his plan doesn’t mean other alternatives don’t exist. I encourage people to look into these alternatives because they are much better alternatives than Obama’s rushed, bloated, unaffordable, Canadian style health care plan.

Posted by: ConstantXI | July 29, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Stdntdrvr, It may very well be the case that crossing state lines will help increase competition, however there are many problems with that model. Some states have laxer rules when it comes to heatlhcare. Currently many credit card companies are based in Delaware to take advantage of lax rules there, to offer less value to their customers. Much the same thing would happen to health care if state lines would be crossed. Also most insurance industry giants are already in multiple states. 65-70% of Indiana insurance is BCBS, In Arkansas the same percent is again BCBS. I’m not sure about other states but it very well will not change much competition in the market.

Posted by: Ordermonger | July 29, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am

It took obama 6 months to decide on which dog to get for his family. Don’t we deserve at least the same time and consideration when changing this country forever.

Posted by: nomomoney | July 29, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am

“T minus 10 days and counting!” Wow ABC news really does play up to the lowest common denominator doesn’t it. Like if it doesn’t get done in 10 days it’ll never happen. Even head cheerleader network MSNBC is saying better to get it right then fast. This is exactly why ABCs all day Obamathon on health care was a mistake. ABC now feels it has the same stake in getting this done and getting it done fast, as Obama. I can imagine all the internal praise you’ll give each other for being a “part of it” Absolutely disgraceful.

Posted by: sas | July 29, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

This country is in desperate need of a public option! If the Blue Dogs & Republicans are so against it, take away their insurance coverages so they can see what the average American is going through. I bet it wouldn’t take them five minutes to agree to a public option then!! We are the most advanced country in the world & have the worst health insurance for our people – what is wrong with that picture??? I’m a grandmother & great-grandmother and it just makes me sick to see so many of my family members have to struggle without insurance (and I have a very large family). There is no reason on this earth that our country can’t have a public option besides our other insurance plans. If doctors, nurses, hospitals & some insurance companies think it is good, then why are some in our Congress letting the few insurance companies that don’t want it, run the show? It’s pathetic!!

Posted by: Pata | July 29, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Reduce health care costs and reduce social security costs in one move. Great move. Less elderly, less costs. Cost of hospice will increase but will be minimal to healthcare. Also, those great diagnostic tests, be prepared to say good bye to those. Be prepared to say hello to affirmative action doctors also. Thanks

Posted by: Mel | July 29, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Amy B Maine | Jul 29, 2009 11:17:23 AMwhen did the Republican Party turn to fear mongering and spreading misinformation to influence the public?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So when Obama says this bill needs to be passed by August or else….that is not a scare tactic? Something of this magnitude needs to be shoved down our throat in three weeks?

Posted by: Boxcar | July 29, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

pata get a job with insurance i was taught 4 things from my parents 1.find a job with good benefits 2.show that employer how good of a worker you are and get the money you deserve 3.never ever take anything from the goverment 4.never and i mean never ever trust goverment.funny thing its worked perfectly for me all these years and im 45 now doing great.

Posted by: natale from mass. | July 29, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

I thought this was not about him?? Didn’t he say it was not about him? My question is: what leadership? He didn’t show any leadership. It’s his way or the highway. He shuts down others’ concerns and wants only what he wants because it makes him look good. The message is this: pass this thing now and pass it quickly. Even Conyers said it’s not worth reading – just sign the thing, and get the public to pay for it. End of story.

Posted by: Gina | July 29, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am

It’s disgusting how invested the MSM is in getting Obama’s bill passed as fast as possible, without it having been read through, without any questioning of how these trillions are going to be paid for – why aren’t you guys doing your job? We don’t need this kind of big government controlling every aspect of our lives. We don’t need the news to become a mouthpiece for the government but watchdogs of it. Does anyone even know whats in this thing?! I don’t want my grandparents to be required to attend “end of life” counseling! WTH? This foolishness is almost like something straight out of “1984″.

Posted by: Where are the real journalists? | July 29, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Just Rahm the bill through, be it 1 Trillion or 200 Trillion. We need to prove that we are stronger than Iran and China.

Posted by: Freedom. | July 29, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

As said, do we see people in Europe begging for our health care system…they too know it is broken here…however, the Canadian and GB system is not one to emulate…perhaps, France, Germany and Sweden…we use to be number one in health care innovation, but that too no longer holds true…

Posted by: phallon | July 29, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

The Republicans have some great ideas that wouldn’t affect the current system to any great extent but would provide extended coverage and bring costs down without spending trillions. Maybe if their ideas were included in designing healthcare reform…….

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | July 29, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Oh yes we do want government run health care. 72% want the public option to be exact. This is a democracy, what the majority want the majority should get.
There is no reform without the public option
No public option means no Democrats in 2010
No Obama in 2012
Now that’s change you can believe in

Posted by: Chuck | July 29, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

We don’t need to raise taxes to fund healthcare – we simply need to rescind the Bush tax cuts as Paul Krugman stated a couple of weeks ago. If the wealthy in this country don’t understand that it’s patriotic to pay their fair share of taxes, too bad, they need to get over it.
The American media? If it continues to bury information and all discussion on single-payer plans, it will be responsible for the demise of real healthcare reform, similar to the failures we saw prior to invading Iraq.
This is not a game – there are people in this country suffering and dying because they do not have access to or cannot afford healthcare. Everyone – from our elected officials to the right-wing, lunatic fringe to the media should be ashamed of what they’re doing to attempt to kill this issue.

Posted by: isobel | July 29, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Only fools rush in.

Posted by: DadR | July 29, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Nothing places a greater burden on the health care system than obese Americans.
Unlike congenital disorders, obesity is primarily the result of lifestyle choices and the law of demand. Cheap, fattening foods are taken a huge toll on the health care system.
This is an upward spiraling public health issue.

Posted by: gus amaral | July 29, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

we trusted or government with everyting they did look at use now. why trust them with a medical plan.
they never give they always take away.

Posted by: jim | July 29, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

The Left is still hoping for audacity… it’ll be a long wait.

Posted by: I.M. Pistov | July 29, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Single payer, term limits, publicly funded elections.
It seems simple enough, of course crooked politicians can’t make much money from that arrangement, but they could represent their constituents, like they promised.

Posted by: Lary | July 29, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

This is Cheney’s fault

Posted by: Fed_Up_With_BOTH_Parties | July 29, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Now there’s discussion about taxing fatty foods. I say tax fat on the hoof. Then the politicians would have plenty of money to blow.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | July 29, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

I’m very disappointed that the writers covering health reform report as if everything the Senators say is “from the heart” not “from the special interests”.
For example, when Sen. Demint (R) was reported to say he hoped health reform would be killed and it would be Obama’s Waterloo, why weren’t the obvious influences on him reported: $236,000 in campaign contributions from health care companies and $212,000 from insurance companies since 2005? And shouldn’t we be aware that Sen. Kerry (D) has received more from Big Pharma than any other Congressman and not let them down on a single vote? The so-called health care reform working it’s way through Congress extends care but does absolutely NOTHING to fix the broken system we have – it simply pours more money into it. Why not engage in a single payer system like EVERY other high-income nation does for half our cost? It could gradually be worked in by slowly lowering the Medicare age over a decade to include everyone. Those who wanted more than basic care could buy supplements. That would knock the heck out of our current 25% of all health care dollars spent on paperwork.

Posted by: The_Mick | July 29, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

There is no reform with out TORT reform doing away with all the frivolous law suits….The bill does not attack Obesity which costs the government 147 Billion each year,Nor does it address mal practice insurance for Doctors,Who do 1/3th more tests out of fear of being sued..How can Obama say it does not increase the deficit when he has not read it? Why the rush,its 1/6th of our economy,we need to take it slowly or find out what the Democrats are hiding.

Posted by: Marion | July 29, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

FACT:
Mr. Obama has not introduced an “Obama plan.”
In a speech to Congress in November 1945, just seven months after taking office, President Harry S. Truman proposed a national health care program, with an insurance fund into which everyone would pay. Truman said he wanted to provide health care through “expansion of our existing compulsory social insurance system.” But he insisted, “This is not socialized medicine,” because doctors would not be government employees.
Since then, every Democratic president and several Republican presidents have wanted to provide affordable coverage to more Americans. Republicans have advocated a mix of different policies, including tax incentives, tax credits and health savings accounts, but have not hammered the issue as hard as Democrats.

Posted by: gus amaral | July 29, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

FACT:
What separates this year’s initiative from past health care expansions is that it would try to address the system’s shortcomings in cost, access and quality all at once. It would do so with intricately interlocking components intended to make health care affordable, end discriminatory insurance practices and redirect treatment toward prevention.

Posted by: gus amaral | July 29, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

START health care reform by getting the illegal aliens out of the system, training more doctors, and allowing doctors and hospitals to advertise services, procedures, and fees. Doing those things will reduce costs which is all that is really needed.

Posted by: Ron | July 29, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

START health care reform by getting the illegal aliens out of the system, training more doctors, and allowing doctors and hospitals to advertise services, procedures, and fees. Doing those things will reduce costs which is all that is really needed.

Posted by: Ron | July 29, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

Posted by: Ron | Jul 29, 2009 2:19:28 PM
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Do you make a habit of watching men as they walk?

Posted by: angel | July 29, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Deja vu Clinton administration efforts to pass health care reform: Dems come up with ideas; Reps with no ideas launch scaremongering; nothing gets done. 15 years pass…nothing gets done, problems get worse. Voters elect new President who wants health care reform. Dems come up with ideas; Reps with no ideas launch scaremongering. Is history going to repeat itself? WE NEED HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW. WE NEED A GOVERNMEMT OPTION. IF NOT NOW, WHEN????

Posted by: signseeker17 | July 29, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

The health care plan will fail if we don’t include a public option. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ignore the bluedogs and the GOP. The insurance and pharmacutical industries are spending MILLIONS to defeat this process. Get a clue! They don’t want competition. KCNelson…. what do you think the Vets and Congressmen have!!!!!!!! And it works!

Posted by: public option PLEEZE! | July 29, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Dave, calling ANYONE who voted for President Obama a “mindless idiot” says a lot more about you than it does them. P.S. “Mindless idiot” is redundant. Kind of like “rightwing namecaller”.

Posted by: signseeker17 | July 29, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

The goal is to “kill off older Americans”?? Get real! Stop listening to the big-mouthed, fat talk show hosts, and listen to logic. The rhetoric is ridiculous. We all deserve health care, young and old. Why don’t we deserve the same care that our Congressmen receive? Health care will be cheaper if insurance companies have to compete, that’s just common sense.

Posted by: public option PLEEZE! | July 29, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

signseeker:
you hit the nail on the head.
The GOP have not offered alternate solutions to healthcare reform, because they & their friends in corporate healthcare are financially doing quite well.
It’s no secret the GOP & select members of congress from both parties are in big with huge money-makers. The only people fooled are the base Republicans. They’ll continue to be loyal to their perceived GOP ‘clan’, regardless of acting against their own self interest.
Gotta love those base Repubs–keep handing over our the money to the megawealthy…

Posted by: gus amaral | July 29, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Well, here we have the NEW BOILERPLATE – concocted to “JUSTIFY RACIAL HATRED”, complete with an “Imaginary Historical Support” mechanism. First, “POST RACIAL”: suggests “White Racism came to pass” when President Obama (a Multi-Racial, Black American) was elected President. Duhh… Unfortunately, Racism is here, as always and the Hatred embroiled in the White Racist psyche (because we have a Black American President) is hostile, poisonous and virtually uncontrollable.” Second, the “Weak Supporting Comment; “race-based ‘grievance’ mongering” – is a Newly Created Racist term with a “NON-MEANING. To SUGGEST such a Stupid thing “Ever Existed” – lends insight into the authors’ I.Q.!!! Do keep in mind, ALL of this was designed to recruit “The Great Un-Washed”: the small crowd, made-up of “the uneducated, the under-educated and the misinformed.”

Posted by: bobj72 | July 29, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

a. valenti 7/29/09 10:52:50 am
You say; … “Well, where’s the evidence that this post-racial president has moved beyond race-based ‘grievance’ mongering?
________________
Well, here we have the NEW BOILERPLATE – concocted to “JUSTIFY RACIAL HATRED”, complete with an “Imaginary Historical Support” mechanism. First, “POST RACIAL”: suggests “White Racism came to pass” when President Obama (a Multi-Racial, Black American) was elected President. Duhh… Unfortunately, Racism is here, as always and the Hatred embroiled in the White Racist psyche (because we have a Black American President) is hostile, poisonous and virtually uncontrollable.” Second, the “Weak Supporting Comment; “race-based ‘grievance’ mongering” – is a Newly Created Racist term with a “NON-MEANING. To SUGGEST such a Stupid thing “Ever Existed” – lends insight into the authors’ I.Q.!!! Do keep in mind, ALL of this was designed to recruit “The Great Un-Washed”: the small crowd, made-up of “the uneducated, the under-educated and the misinformed.”

Posted by: bobj72 | July 29, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Angela. Get yourself to Snopes. Your remarks about genocide are a Limbaugh-inducede fear with no factual basis whatsoever. Right now insurance companies blatantly and commonly drop the coverage of people who are chronically sick. People can’t get insurance because of “pre-existing conditions.” Even in countries such as Canada or England with single payer government plans, which are not on the table here, older people are NOT denied critical care. LOOK IT UP ON SNOPES. America is also exactly last among advanced nations in terms of preventable deaths because of long waiting lines. Another neocon myth that needs exposure. Right now health care in this country is controlled by health insurance and drug companies. They are who stand between our doctors and their patients. They are who often dictate who will be treated and what test will be done to decide because THEY CONTROL COSTS and that bloated item controls the entire broken system.

Posted by: Igor | July 29, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

KC. The Medicare program has helped millions of older Americans with health care and done it very well. It IS a government controlled program. I trust the government far more than I do my health insurance company which, for instance, changes its formulary of drugs they will pay on yearly so that if I want to keep a med that’s done a good job for me, it’s usually a very expensive one that the d______ insurance company said it would cover when I took out the coverage but now it won’t. And why should I have to pay up to 70% more for my meds than people in other countries do? Could it have anything to do with the immensely powerful drug lobby in Washington? Wake up!

Posted by: Igor | July 29, 2009, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

The FACTS; HEALTHCARE Costs have over the last decade increased WELL ABOVE Wage Increases and the Cost Of Living. Why NOT look at what the STAKEHOLDERS Contribute to these Cost Increases. NOTE:
GREED & Increased Drug Company Advertising -
RESULTS IN; Increased Prescription Drug Costs to THE CONSUMER.
GREED & Increased Mal-Practice Insurance Costs, supposedly based on frivilous lawsuits (?) (How many folks do you know who’ve received huge settlements??)
RESULTS IN; Increased Healthcare Services Costs to THE CONSUMER.
GREED & Increased Consumer’s Insurance Costs and Increased Co-Pay Costs -
RESULTS IN; Increased Healthcare Coverage Costs to THE CONSUMER.
GREED & Patient’s “Reduced Coverage of Services”
and Increased “Patients Pre-Existing Conditions” -
RESULTS IN; Increased Healthcare Services Costs to THE CONSUMER.
Insurance Providers are Increasingly Dictating treatments to Doctors & Dentists -
RESULTS IN; Healthcare Insurer’s “COMING BETWEEN Doctor and Patients” (THE CONSUMER) in determining proper treatment.
Medicare & Medicaid typically “Pay Less” for services, than Private Insurance Provider’s -
RESULTS IN; Many Doctor’s & Dentist’s NOT accepting Medicare & Medicaid, thereby limiting Healthcare services, to some. To make-up for excluding Medicare & Medicaid, some Medical Practioners increase their Services Costs, (to THE CONSUMER) to make-up for their revenue shortfall.
These factors clearly identify “the causes for Healthcare cost increases” and shows the entities responsible for these outlandish Increases in Costs.

Posted by: bobj72 | July 29, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

To all of you “Obamaneans!!!”: Now you see what you got for your vote??? You really got brainwashed with all of his so called change and hope peddling. Though he is in the big office, you can still count greatly by contacting your representatives and senators and stating you oppose all of his misguided plans he has for the health care system and whatever comes along.
HE IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL CALIBER!!! He is a Chicago bred politician carrying his ideology to the white house. LET’S WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

Posted by: Salaban1 | July 29, 2009, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

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