“Thinly-Veiled Threats”? White House Suggests Arizona Republicans Put Up or Shut Up

Might as well get this one out now: If Bush had done this…
Apparently, there is no free speech or opposing opinions any more in the Socialist States of Obama.
Their bully tactics are the only things that are really transparent. The governor didn’t even do anything wrong but they don’t have the guts to face Kyl directly. Cowards.

Pointing out what monies are coming Arizona’s way – and pointing out what projects Arizona would lose out on if Kyl got his wish – is a threat?
Wolf! Wolf!

Hey, Arizona, youse got a nice state here. It’d be a shame if anything was to happen to it….
Aw, Ray, youse gotta be more careful!–I apologize, Governor, for my associate, Mr. LaHood. (Don’t read anything into that last name, OK?) He didn’t mean to knock those stimulus funds outta your fingers. But, youse know, accidents CAN happen if youse don’t happen to see things Boss Obama’s way.
I know you’ll be a reasonable lady, governor, and see things the way me an’ the boys with the zoot suits and the violin cases has laid out for youse!

Obama, wanna be tin pot dictator
he’ll be a lame duck by xmas

…long, loud laughter. So the White House actually offered to accommodate a rather specific GOP request and suddenly the Executive Branch is bullying? Didn’t expect that, did ya?
Put up or shut up.

The patient was bleeding profusely and, as there was no blood donor available, the quick thinking Doctor Obama set up a transfusion from the patient’s right arm to his left. This pioneering “stimulus technique”, as it came to be called, rapidly gained acceptance by the academic community and came to be widely practiced. All the patients died, but no one really cared about that. It was generally acknowledged to be “The Right Thing to Do”

Are liberals really not able to connect the dots?
A governor should have the option of rejecting the ‘stimulus’ money, and reducing the citizens of the states’ federal income taxes… Then lets see how many states in the country take the pork, and how many put the money into their taxpayers pockets.

It’s astonishing to think that republicans expected everything to get better during Obama’s first few hundred days in office.
I distinctly remember last January the Obama administration telling Americans that it would take a couple years for the economy to turn the corner toward recovery.
Why does ABC or anyone else bother having the republicans on TV as though they have thoughtful and reasoned arguments? Don’t bother having them on your shows, ABC. We don’t need any more bogus “analyses” by the same people who got us into this in the first place: Republicans. Get on the ball, ABC.
Don’t bother having republicans give their opinions on your shows. Nobody of any worth listens to them.

“I believe the stimulus has been very effective in creating job opportunities throughout the country,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood wrote to Brewer.
Bwaaaahahahahahahahaha! OMG! Let’s here it again!
“I believe the stimulus has been very effective in creating job opportunities throughout the country,”
Oh, stop it! You’re killing me! Bwaaaahahahahahahahaha!

It’s astonishing to think that republicans expected everything to get better during Obama’s first few hundred days in office. Posted by: displayname | Jul 14, 2009 11:18:53 PM
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Actually, we didn’t; we never did. You bought that tripe when Obama campaigned and then pushed this as a jobs bill. We never bought it; we just don’t want you to forget it.
So tell us the truth – you thought there would be a whole buncha jobs by now. It’s ok, you can admit it.

So Senator Kyl is upset that he is being called out on his blatant lie? “What I proposed is, after you complete the contracts that are already committed, the things that are in the pipeline, stop it.”
But that’s not really what he proposed is it? He wants the money, he knows his state needs the jobs and the infrastructure they’ll lay for the next growth cycle to root in. Perhaps he should watch out when he is grandstanding to keep his lies a little less easy to call.

Once again, Danita talks about these BILLIONS like it’s money that comes from a magic tree. “Obama said it, so it must be true.” Danita, I really wish you would understand what a taxpayer is. It is you. It is me. When there is no way to pay for anything, they tax us. Please be simply honest, and just say that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that you are nothing more than a tool for the administration. I know you wont, but everyone here knows that already. Maybe you will one day yourself, when you get the living hell taxed out of you yourself.

I’ve always been so impressed by bully-styled politics. Yes, let’s stop these evil republicans from speaking their mind! If they speak out against anything — threaten their constituents Free speech is overrated. Let’s replace it with censored, careful speech.
Jeez, can you imagine if Bush had tried that tactic whenever someone dared speak out against him!

Isn’t this “put up or shut up” message starting to appear frequently in messages from this White House? Is this just the way the press views it, or is it really the message? The thin skin of this crowd is something to behold, which is what you expect from a group of trainees who will ultimately mature. I do suppose if you are “the one” tolerating the behavior of mere mortals is difficult.

two for the road:”Yes, let’s stop these evil republicans from speaking their mind! ”
He was lying and was called on it. He is welcome to speak his mind, but complaining when the Administration refutes his bluster with documented and strongly contradictory FACT is also their right.
Why do you have a problem with the Administration pointing out REALITY?

danita:”The Recovery and Reinvestment plan includes $288 BILLION in tax benefits.”
clint:”Once again, Danita talks about these BILLIONS like it’s money that comes from a magic tree. “Obama said it, so it must be true.” Danita, I really wish you would understand what a taxpayer is. It is you. It is me. When there is no way to pay for anything, they tax us.”
Her comment makes sense and references a documented fact. Your comment is pretty incomprehensible – they tax us to give us a tax break? Huh? Danita referenced the $288 billion ‘cost’ of the stimulus bill that was not spending but reduced tax collection. Do you even see the absurdity of your reply?

Sadly, I suppose gross exaggerations in an attempt to undermine other’s reasoned positions Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 14, 2009 11:37:01 PM
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You mean these reasoned positions?
“I lived in Arizona for two years when Barry Goldwater was the stupidest senator in the country. Nothing has changed and I recommend giving the whole state back to Mexico.”
“The Recovery and Reinvestment plan includes $288 BILLION in tax benefits.”
“Aww sounds like the Repubs here are a little bitter..ha ha enjoy your little trip to obscurity! Palin/Bachmann ’12 the party of Hate”
“These Republicans are, and have been for so long, one-trick ponies. They don’t like gov’t. Period. They want to privatize everything. Roads, police, fire department, schools, etc.. And if they say they don’t, they are lying. They don’t want to pay for it.”
Yea, real reasoned opinions alright,

Traffic Cop Timmy:”Can you offer a few legitimate citations of Democrats claiming that “everything” would get better in the first 100 days Obama is in office? Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 14, 2009 11:37:01 PM
My ex-cubemate was very high on Obama. ”
Well that settles it then. Your ex-cubemate is an unimpeachable example of a typical Obama supporter.

jhw539 . ..
If his cube mate says everything should have been fixed immediately, I guess there’s no argument . ..
Someone highly placed in the Democratic party administration speaking on authority I imagine.

Chicago politics brought to a national level.

“And YOU, one of the followers of our new dictator” Posted by: clint | Jul 15, 2009 12:36:02 AM
Using “dictator” immediately decreases your credibility and sets you over in the corner with the extremists.
If you were on here criticizing Bush and calling him a dictator every day for his gross overspending, and doubling the national debt from approx. $5 trillion to $10 trillion, then you’re at least consistent.
At the same time, some people on here would really take you to task for calling Bush a ‘dictator’.

Traffic Cop Timmy:”Can you offer a few legitimate citations of Democrats claiming that “everything” would get better in the first 100 days Obama is in office? Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 14, 2009 11:37:01 PM
Timmy . .. I think he meant an elected official or a member of the Democratic administration claiming everything would be better in 100 days, not your ‘cube mate’ . . or some guy in the next washroom stall.
I guess you weren’t able to figure that out on your own.

Parallax . ..
President Obama ran on a platform of health care reform, energy reform, into Afghanistan, out of Iraq and so on . . .
He is delivering what he campaigned on, not ramming it down anybody’s throat.

Gosh, danita, thanks for clearing that up for me. I’ll be sure to get right on that.
ROFLMAO!

Actually, danita, he’s ramming it down the throats of over 59 million voters who did NOT vote for him – along with potentially tens of millions of other Americans who did not vote at all – along with potentially millions of others who cannot vote or are her illegally – as well as those yet to be born in future generations.
But don’t concern yourself with the details.

Parallex View:”a stimulus that has done nothing so far too the point of considering another, ”
Another is being considered because the first was too small – a known fact at the time, but we had to settle for the largest that Party of No would allow through. Dispersement has been slowed by the efforts to avoid waste, but saying it has done nothing is just another case of breathtaking exageration in the cause of the Republican Two Minute Hate. I suppose the hundred billion dollars + of direct tax reduction are “nothing.”

Yep, Chicago style politics,and a gangster government. How amazing that all this money suddenly became available AFTER the complaint. “Due to be dispersed in 10 days”.
It’s almost a miracle. ;-o
The unemployment rate continues to climb.
That is evidence enough that the stimulus is having little to no effect, just as economists predicted.
It was widely reported that Obama signed more spending in his 1st 30 days that Bush did in 8 years.
For the 1st time, the debt has topped 1 trillion.
Why is Obama demanding a 1.5 trillion health care bill when we are drowning in red ink?

“President Obama ran on a platform of health care reform, energy reform, into Afghanistan, out of Iraq and so on . . .”
Health care reform – check;
Energy reform – check;
Increased effort in Afghanistan – check;
Withdrawal from Iraq – appears to be underway’
Emphasis on Education – check (check the Recovery and Reinvestment act) see new information today;
Modernization of Electric Grid – check (check the Recovery and Reinvestment act);
Stem cell – check;
I don’t know P.View – it’s not a bad start to me; and everyone should remember $700 Billion of TARP passed under Bush administration; $700 Billion Recovery and Reinvestment under Obama administration – AND jhw is correct – if the Recovery monies aren’t enough, we do have the Republicans to thank for that – they forced cuts (particularly in funding to shore up state budgets).

MisElaineous:”It was widely reported that Obama signed more spending in his 1st 30 days that Bush did in 8 years.”
What utter nonsense. This is not opinion, it is a matter of public record. Could you cite any actual “news” sources spreading such obvious lies? It would be useful to know what sites or shows have zero credibility and assume their followers are idiots.

I can see the senators point when the stimulus is failing to really make a dent in the economy. Other than a number of construction projects that will allow a few construction workers to keep their mortgage payments and buy a new big screen TV, their really isn’t anything that seems to solve the real problem…. the drop in housing prices and the lack of credit available. Building a few roads and sewers won’t boost housing prices very far and I can’t see lenders opening credit to readily to anyone in other industries. Only recently has the home refinance plan finally allowed homes that have lost at least 25% of there value to be considered. A little to late for many home owners. Obama jumped ahead of McCain when the economy started tanking in the fall…. he won because the voters wanted him to fix the economy…. not tax and tax with their upcoming energy policies and Iraq was a non-issue to independent voters at the time of the election. If things don’t turn around sufficiently in a couple of years the electorate will give the current administration their vote of confidence regardless of what half of these Obama fanboys say.

Although estimates of Hurricane Katrina’s staggering toll on the treasury are highly imprecise, costs are certain to climb to $300 billion in the coming weeks. The final accounting could approach the more than $300 billion spent in four years to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Members of the Louisiana congressional delegation say it could cost $100 billion just in New Orleans.
Government was spending $2 billion per day
The weekend after the hurricane hit Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, the government still was writing checks for close to $2 billion per day on items such as the 17 million meals ready to eat, tens of thousands of trailers to house refugees, and contracts to rebuild highways and bridges
The various states and the District of Columbia that have provided a safe haven for evacuees will be sending their bills to Washington. Texas’ two senators, in a letter to Bush, asked about reimbursement for enrolling refugees in Medicaid. The city of New Haven, Conn., has estimated that caring for 100 families that it has offered to house would cost $80,000 each, a bill of $8 million
Before posting something like that, insulting people because of their political affiliations why dont you do the math?
What is the interest on the 5.7 trillion dollars clinton left with? The Clinton Administration did NOT bring the government out of debt.
Bush added 4.87 trillion to the Natioan debt
Obama took office and the debt is now 11.5 trillion. On March 17, 2009 the debt hit 11 trillion.
So by facts.
Bush added 4.8 trillion to the national debt in 8 years. Which roughly comes to 600 billion a year. A ressesion coming into office, 2 wars, 9-11, Hurricane Katrina happened in those 8 years. Katrinna ws estimated to have cost around 350 billion alone.
Obama has spent 1 trillion in 6 months and pland to add a couple trillion more. We have a recession and 700 billion dollar pork bills. No natural disasters or 9-11′s yet. Better hope Americans dont have another national disater or act of terrorism.

Anyone can see that yes the Government is creating jobs but at what cost? What about the story in New Hampshire where about 1/2 of a billion created 36 jobs!
Do the math folks, we are getting screwed!

ArmyVet35…. Get your facts straight.
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You Said: “The final accounting could approach the more than $300 billion spent in four years to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
FACT # 1: Based on the Congressional Research Service publication, “The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other
Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11″ (Page 1)…. this is how much we have spent on Iraq and Afghanistan, as of May 2009:
• $642 billion for Iraq;
• $189 billion for Afghanistan;
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FACT # 2: Your attempt to explain away the $4.9 TRILLION increase in the National Debt under the Bush/Cheney Administration, using “Katrina” as your primary example is somewhat weak.
Do you understand that it take “One-Thousand Billions” to equal $1 Trillion? Watching you try to explain the debt on Katrina (which cost the government, at the most, $300 Billion) was sort of funny…. you still have 4,600 Billions to try to explain in way of Bush’s $4.9 TRILLION dollar increase to the National Debt. Attempting to add in that “$8 Million for New Haven, Conn” was HILARIOUS…. sort of trying to “stretch it”, don’t you think?
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Your Statement: “The Clinton Administration did NOT bring the government out of debt.”
FACT: That’s not what X-Republican said. However, the Clinton administration did in fact pay down the debt.

Angie – look yourself in the mirror. Your Dems are just as much to blame for this. We have a CHECKS AND BALANCES SYSTEM in our country. Not one single person is to blame for all of it.
Complaining about complaining? LOL…that’s rich. All we’ve heard are complaints the past eight years.
Therefore, quit YOUR whining.

Back in July 2008, while campaigning for the presidency, Senator Obama had the crowds dancing in the aisles, cheering, and proclaiming he was the greatest thing since sliced bread as he ridiculed President Bush’s record on jobs.
Obama said: “As we head into the 4th of July weekend, today’s report that our economy has lost another 62,000 jobs is a stark reminder that far too many Americans will spend this holiday out of work and struggling to provide for their families because of the failed policies of the last eight years.”
Senator Obama went on to say: “Our economy has now shed 438,000 jobs over the past six months, while workers’ wages fail to keep pace with the skyrocketing cost of gas, groceries and healthcare. The American people are paying the price for the failed economic policies of the past eight years, and we can’t afford four more years of more of the same. That is the essential issue of this campaign because Senator McCain has fully embraced the Bush economic agenda. I believe it has to change.”
So, under President Bush the “our economy shed 438,000 jobs over six months…”
I’ll bet anything that most people today would prefer the job losses numbers (438,000 over six months) under President Bush than the massive job losses, in one month, under President Obama.

Danita wrote, “”President Obama ran on a platform of health care reform, energy reform, into Afghanistan, out of Iraq and so on . . .”
Health care reform – check;
Energy reform – check;
Increased effort in Afghanistan – check;
Withdrawal from Iraq – appears to be underway’
Emphasis on Education – check (check the Recovery and Reinvestment act) see new information today;
Modernization of Electric Grid – check (check the Recovery and Reinvestment act);
Stem cell – check;”
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SHHHHT! Don’t do that! You’ll get the wingnuts mad. The reality is, no one can exactly point to any big initiative he promised to tackle that he’s walked away from. He promised to tackle the issues, and he’s doing extactly that.
It is true that his approval rating will plummet once he starts tackling them. We all know the people do not have the stomach for that, especially when you have the fear mongers shouting on top of their lungs. I for one am glad he’s not shied away from the big issues. Why do you think we haven’t solved any of them?
I know people feel so happy when they come on blogs ranting as if they represent mainstream America. However if the president can get some of his big policies going through while he’s still popular, I think he’ll cruise through to reelection.

“The patient was bleeding profusely and, as there was no blood donor available, the quick thinking Doctor Obama set up a transfusion from the patient’s right arm to his left…
“All the patients died, but no one really cared about that. It was generally acknowledged to be ‘The Right Thing to Do’.”
Then the good doctor Obama had another idea. The next time, rather than try to stop the bleeding of the patient, he would take some rich people and drain them of their blood as it was unfair that the patient had very little blood left of his own.
So, he set up one rich person to donate a larger proportion of their blood for every 19 patients who were bleeding. As it turned out there was not enough blood left for any of the patients nor the rich person to survive and they all died, again. It was still generally acknowledged to be “The Right Thing to Do.”

“I don’t know P.View – it’s not a bad start to me; and everyone should remember $700 Billion of TARP passed under Bush administration; $700 Billion Recovery and Reinvestment under Obama administration – AND jhw is correct – if the Recovery monies aren’t enough, we do have the Republicans to thank for that – they forced cuts (particularly in funding to shore up state budgets).”
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Exactly how did ANY republicans FORCE anything that has been signed by this President! Ogh,let me guess your saying Sen. Snowe FORCED cuts in the great “Stimulator”? LOL, YOU are the other who has been ranting out here for the past couple of weeks about how that thing is a 4 yr plan, EVEN after Obama himself stated it was a 2 yr plan! YOU are the one who has been here saying it needs more time. So now it needs more money? WHY….if its needs more money…then step up the time table and push out the money that ALREADY been allocated FASTER!
I realize that you liberals constantly miss these common sense things, but really….at least get your excuses straight!
By the way, if states have misused the monies they were given, that was up to VP Joe “dont screw with me” Biden to make sure that did not happen!
If there was not enough money in there for thing, perhaps it was because as Joe admitted, the did not understand the state of the economy! So, just maybe rushing to do something, for the sake of doing something is WRONG! How many more times do you want to throw nearly a TRILLION dollars at a problem hoping it might fix it?
Interesting that you check off items that have not yet been accomplished!
More has actually been accomplished in the Iraq withdrawl than on heathcare or energy.

“I believe the stimulus has been very effective in creating job opportunities throughout the country.”
Sec. LaHood: You are either oblivious to reality or a liar. Either situation would render you unqualified for the position you hold.
Anyone surprised at these “veiled threats”? I’m not – This is The Chicago Way…

Lost in all this “billions headed here, and billions headed there” business is that these billions are coming from our kids and grandkids pockets. What part of this don’t you libs understand? The money we are spending now will be one-time, and will very rarely create any new, long-term jobs or prosperity …. and when the bill comes due, our future generations pay. How nice of us!

I’m pretty sure Kyl realizes that if the stimulus I spendout was stopped, it’d mean Arizona wouldn’t get money. But it’d avoid having taxes and inflation hit its economy as Uncle Sam tries to pay off the cost of the stimulus.
What Obama’s team is insinuating is that it will stop JUST AZ’s funding if Kyl continues along these lines. I’m glad the Gov. of that state had some backbone.

Timmy . ..
You need to study up on how democracy works.
Posted by: danita | Jul 15, 2009 2:19:11 AM
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Democracy is a form of government in which the right to govern is vested in the citizens of a country or a state and exercised through a majority rule. There are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all citizens, not invested with the power to govern, have equal access to power and the second that all citizens enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties.
If any democracy is not carefully legislated to avoid an uneven distribution of political power with balances, such as the separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule could accumulate power and become harmful to the democracy itself.
The “majority rule” is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the “tyranny of the majority”. An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively and procedurally.
Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests.

This is typical of the Federal government under Bush and becoming even more controlling and centralized under Barak. Give the States unfunded mandates, give the States money with strings attached, and then demand the States do whatever the Feds want. At the same time the Federal government doesn’t do THEIR JOB and causes the States billions in costs due to crime, illegal aleins, court-mandated policies, etc. The goal is to eliminate State, and local, power and control and have bureacrats in DC determine everything in the country…at least until the time that someone like the UN could take over.

It’s just amazing that the Obama administration plays their stupid political games despite his pledge that it would not be politics as usual if he were elected. They’re blackmailing, bullying and intimidating congressmen into agreeing with them or else the people in their states will do without. This is outrageous and unacceptable. We can and should question congress and Obama. It is our right, it is our duty.

===LaHood, a former Republican congressman, said that the $48 million in the stimulus bill for infrastructure includes $520.9 million for Arizona highway projects===
$48 million in the stimulus…includes $520.9 million for Arizona? Well, right there is your problem. They can’t do basic math.
Am I reading that wrong? Is it a misquote? A typo?

David
-Record One Trillion dollar deficit.. CHECK
-Unemployment rate stands at 9.5% average, highest in 26 years.. CHECK
-Two million jobs lost since Obama’s 787.0 Billion dollar economic stimulus..CHECK
-Consumer prices jump, industrial production falls largest increase in 11 months..CHECK
-Biggest jump in gasoline cost in 5 years..CHECK
-July equals the deadliest month of the Afghan war EVER..CHECK
-Iran could have the bomb in 6 months..CHECK
Shakes hands with dictators who hate us..CHECK
Don’t gloss over the mis-steps…HOLD ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE CHECKS AND BALANCES….Bush ignored the problems, Obama’s solutions to the problems is making it worse….

“That money can go to states and districts where the politicians believe that it is working.”
You have identified one of the fundamental problems with how many elected officials operate. Politicians are in interested in votes and if they “believe” that handing out goodies will buy them votes, they’ll do it. This is the fundamental problem with the “stimulus” package (and why it is not creating jobs) – It is largely a handout to favored constituencies…Is it just a coincidence that the overwhelming majority of the money will be spent beyond 2009 (i.e., 2010 & 2011 – just in time to have “impact” for 2010 & 2012 elections?).
An effective “stimulus” package should be timely, targeted, and temporary. The “stimulus” package hailed by Obama is NONE of the above.
The “stimulus” is (and will be) and epic failure that will bring down Dems in 2010/2012 and and Obama in 2012.

“If Republicans think that the stimulus package has failed than we need to stop giving money to those districts and states who think that stimulus money has failed.
That money can go to states and districts where the politicians believe that it is working.
Posted by: sarah”
Ok, but here in 10 years when you’ve got a quadrillion in debt and still have a screwed up economy; don’t come crying to be to get me to help pay this debt and the interest, etc you’ve racked up.
If you want to avoid spending on me, fine; but don’t bill me at the same time. Ok?
Or were you planning on picking my pocket first; then deciding to spend the money on yourself after you stole it?

“The “majority rule” is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the “tyranny of the majority”. An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively and procedurally.”
So Traffic Cop Timmy, you are against voters deciding things like gays having the right to marry?

Ryan C – Morissey isn’t shill. He is a stated conservative blogger that has won acclaim by left and right media, most recently the NYT for having some of the most up to date news coverage online. Just because one is conservative or liberal does not make one a shill for the party.
And coming from someone who spews Axelrod and Plouffe nothingness in every comment section possible, your post is rendered even more useless.
I would argue with you about the facts of how the Fed Gov’t gets money, how they’re spending Stimulus not on shovel ready projects but on buying future votes through redistribution schemes, but all I’d get back would be talking points. It’s useless.

I love it when people who support progressive taxation turn around and complain about some people putting more into the system, and some people getting more out of the system.
I also love it when people discuss taxes as if states pay the income taxes, rather than individuals in the states.

“I love it when people who support progressive taxation turn around and complain about some people putting more into the system, and some people getting more out of the system.”
Just undercutting the idiotic talking point that the stimulus money had been provided by Arizona.
“I also love it when people discuss taxes as if states pay the income taxes, rather than individuals in the states.”
Really?
I would imagine the realization that so called red states are welfare candidates would be upsetting.

So Traffic Cop Timmy, you are against voters deciding things like gays having the right to marry? Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 15, 2009 1:07:22 PM
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Yes.

People were suckered into buying this “change” business. Done a lot of good so far, hasn’t it. The promise that if the porkulus plan was passed – unilaterally – with NO ONE READING IT, many promises were broken. “There are shovel-ready jobs” – Maybe not. “Unemployment will not go over 8%” – I guess in Democrat math, 9.5+ is less than 8. “I don’t want to take over the auto industry” – I guess we made him do that, he did it for our own good, now behave! I can go on…
Now, we have a TRILLION dollar deficit that belongs to the Demoncrats. They hold the blame for the failure that this has become. By filling the plan with pet projects that do nothing to stimulate the economy, they’ve done what they do best… spend. Now comes the fun part. How to get more money? Tax everyone. Easy solution, you can always raise taxes. And why not add on some more here. We have Cap and Tax, which would raise prices (redistributed to the people), and will increase the unemployment number as well. Throw in another TRILLION dollars in his National Medicaid program. That’s gotta be paid for… ok, here comes another tax. I say National Medicaid, because at the rate the boneheads on the left are going, there’s not going to be a job to be had, except their own, and their close friends contracts, everyone’s going to be poor, and the only health care will be Medicaid.
When the left’s porkulus plan has reached its climax, you’ll be left with no job, no insurance, no rights, and that bad taste in your mouth.

“It’s what Liberals do – They segregate, label, and create divisions.”
That’s exactly what you just did in that sentence. Typical blindness to one’s own faults.

I think the administration is correct…If Arizona does not want the money let them reject it..Didn’t South Carolina try that? Fact is Kyl is just spouting more political B.S….He represents Arizona so he should just pressure the governor to reject the money….then he explain to all his constituents why. He won’t because he knows he can’t…..

So, you’re suggesting that people just get down on their knees in front of the Democrats that know so well what is good for them? Are you suggesting that when someone either disagrees with you, or calls you out, that it is perfectly acceptable to politically strong-arm and bully them into submission?
Fact is, the plans were rushed out, filled with pet projects, and are unsuccessful at doing what they were promised. Instead of cooperatively trying to fix the situation, they are trying to bully any one with a position that is against theirs.
This is supposed to be Government, not Gangland.

Wow, the audacity of the Obama administration is sometimes breathtaking. Not terribly subtle, are they? How dare a Republican Senator have a negative view of the president’s stimulus program! We will deliver a not at all veiled threat to his state. That should keep the rest of the senators in line nicely– they may grumble behind the scenes but maybe they’ll think twice before speaking out against the stimulus publicly.
Was this really the change you voted for? I cracked up this morning when my doctor, during my office visit, said, “well, President Obama promised change. I guess we shouldn’t have just assumed he meant change for the better.” Couldn’t have said it better myself. When candidate Obama promised a change in the way the White House operated, who knew this was what he had in mind?

Another blown up bit of nothing. Wolf! Wolf!

They haven’t spent 90% of the 1st stimulus and they say it isn’t working and we need another trillion out of thin air! When does this adminstration begin to suffer from their own credibility gap! And bullying individual states. The states give authority to the feds, they can take it back ANYTIME they wish! NOT the other way around Barky!

I see some people can’t handle the truth out here. What’s so wrong with the cabinet members of the Obama Administration pointing out what Senator Kyl should already know since he is in the Senate?
If republicans don’t mind Senator Kyl basically misleading or lying to them, don’t be angry because the rest of the country is not buying what he’s selling.

Arizona rejecting the money for their state would be a good thing, however, they are still being made to pay for it, so rightfully they do deserve that money if it is spent. If Arizona could reject it and have that money returned from their taxes, I am sure they would have no problem with it. Instead it would just go to build a trillion dollar green warehouse in Chicago.

“Thinly-Researched Reporting”? American Public Suggests ABC News Report News Not Propaganda”

Kyl – this money should be stopped!
Feds – if the money is stopped the following programs won’t receive the money
Kyl – THREATS! THREATS!

Why doesn’t Brewer just refuse the funds? She wouldn’t be the first governor to (attempt to) do so. And why is Kyl retreating in his position and indignantly implying that Obama is threatening to withhold the remaining funds–which is exactly what Kyl wanted him to do in the first place?

Kyl should take the Federal government up on the offer to cancel the “stimulus” money to AZ on the condition that Arizona voters get a federal tax break for their portion of the stimulus. That would throw the ball back in Obama’s court.

I, for one, welcome our new overlords….

The problem is that Arizona’s proportionate share of the national debt, future tax increases and future inflation will not be reduced if Gov. Brewer and Sen. Kyle take Obama up on the offer.
This is the Chicago way. Get used to it.

Is it not at the point where it may be beneficial, on net, for Arizona or ANY state to refuse the “stimulus”? We know that, as with private sector bailouts and such, the federal money comes with its own crew of federales. Much of the health related payments, made to mitigate what the state owes in benefits, require acquiescence to mandates that, once the stim party is over, THEY will have to fund from their own coffers. Only when it is obvious that accepting the terms of stim money will cost more and MUCH more than they gain will parties private and gub snap out. Luckily, with Son of Stimulus already sighted, even some of the thick-headed are beginning to see that a little socialism leads to a lot and that leads to ruin. Always, everywhere and regardless of the genius of those pulling the strings.

Change We Can Believe In… to the Chicago Way.

I suggest to governer to refuse the money, together with refusal to collect the future raise of the federal taxes in AZ. Very easy: we do not take your money and do not give you our own as well.
AZ will boom with new businesses moving in immediately.

Obama is very much accomplishing what he set out to do… destroy America from within, for once and for all.
The enemy is here, communism has taken over, and the Constitution is dead.
When are people gonna realize that the cap and trade, speech bills and health care are the final nail in the coffin?
Did you not hear Obama in Italy?
Do you know now that he works for the banking cartels?

This is what is known as tearing up the constitution. Arizona is a state, not a province. God forbid we should wiretap a terrorist, but trample over the sovereign rights of a state as delineated in the US Constitution? No problem.

“Maybe I’m missing something. But the O admin seems to just be pointing out what project Arizona is getting from the porkulus. Why is that a threat?” Posted by: Pseuss | Jul 15, 2009 4:24:49 PM
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It isn’t. Its just the right wing crying “Wolf!” . . . again . .. and again . ..

Kyl is saying *all* stimulus spending should be stopped. this is fair, especially since it is Not Working.
To respond that we’ll just stop stimulus spending in Arizona is completely unfair and is clearly a threat to Arizona.

This looks like a WH political distraction for the pols in AZ. Play ball or…? You fill in the blank.

“Stimulus” should be replaced with “addiction”. The price for the financial rush or stimulation is going to get very steep in future.
Live as independent as you can now or become more dependent.

If only those clean, honest and decent Republicans were in power snorting their noses around. They would bomb Iran, bomb Venezuela, bomb North Korea, bomb Cuba, bomb Bolivia – and fix this whole economy nonsense with a snap of their blessed fingers.

“Lemme make you an offa you can’t refuse”
- the Godbama

Well at least Arizona doesn;t have this guy running for their Senate seat
AR News: “LITTLE ROCK — A U.S. Senate candidate who drew national criticism for referring to New York Sen. Charles Schumer as “that Jew” said he meant no harm Tuesday when he referred to a federal judge’s race.
During a legislative committee meeting, state Sen. Kim Hendren, R-Gravette, was discussing U.S. District Judge Brian Miller’s role in the long-running Pulaski County school desegregation case when he referred to Miller as “this new minority judge.””

YEAH, TONS OF OPPORTUNITIES BEING CREATED!!! UPWARDS OF 16% UNEMPLOYMENT BY U6 NUMBERS. WAY TO GO OBAMA, YOU REALLY SAVED THE DAY

As a third generation Arizonan, I am glad Kyl and McCain slammed the wispy Department Heads who were performing Obama’s biddings like good little minions.
I would not be offended if Arizona does not receive any of these junk bond grade dollars (thanks Dems!), if the rest of the country does not mind our not paying taxes and pretending that the rest of the 47 contiguous are a leper colony.

“YEAH, TONS OF OPPORTUNITIES BEING CREATED!!! UPWARDS OF 16% UNEMPLOYMENT BY U6 NUMBERS. ”
I am so happy right wing media has begun to embrace the U6 meansurement which takes into account not just those collecting unemployment but the log term unemployed and those considered under employed.
Oddly right wing media did not want to discuss the U6 numbers during the Bush “economic miracle”.
I wonder if that fact that the U6 numbers were sitting at 12% had anything to do with that.

What’s the problem with Arizona and Jon Kyl in particular? He should absolutely tell Obama’s minions to keep their #@#$! money Arizon will opt out of the coming wave of taxation. Look at the programs being funded! With the exception of the highway construction money, the rest of it does not create any jobs, it is just alot of hand outs. Money for home buyers? Isn’t this one the main culprits in the housing bubble? Government enabling people to take on mortgages that they have not saved for and cannot afford? Why are we repeating this madness??!!!

Sen Kyle is an honest man. Good for him and Arizona should tell the Obama Administration to take their stimulus and shove it where the sun don’t shine. If a state is doing fine on it’s own. Why should they take the stimulus. Obama wants to make sure that every state should take a piece of the stimulus so that everyone will be liable and taxing won’t be an issue.
I just hate this administration and all it stands for.

Pretty soon ‘The One’ will make sure no other one will be able to question himself or his Chicago mob.

Here’s how the shakedown goes: Arizona sends taxpayer money off to Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C. sends a percentage of the taxpayer money back to us as “stimulus” – provided we spend even more money next year. Estimated deficit next year ? $3 billion, instead of the $2 billion deficit this year.
Senator John Kyl has a better plan than to create even more government programs and larger deficits with taxpayer dollars traveling back and forth endlessly…so he publicly disagrees.
The Chicago thugs and assorted wimps who throw a baseball like a 12 year old girl threaten to cut off all this wonderful stimulus which has nearly doubled the unemployment rate.
Take the offer John !! I’m tired of my taxes going to $80,000 a year school janitors, kids who don’t realize that education is a privilege – not a “right” to be squandered, and $150,000 a year school administrators.
It’s a rat hole. No more taxes, we can’t afford anymore ! God bless John Kyl for having a lick of common sense.

Words of wisdom from Ryan-C: “Pssst parroting what you read on Hot Air is not thinking independently.” But parroting material from Huffington Post is?

Kyl: The Recovery and Reinvestment funding should be stopped!
Feds: If the Recovery funding is stopped Mr. Kyl you will lose out on the following projects . .. . do you want to cancel it?
Kyl: THREATS! THREATS! THREATS!

However, if you prefer to forfeit the money we are making available to _your_ state…emphasis added
There is no veil over the threat, or
the sarcastic superiority:
Go along to get along, or we will hurt
you, financially.
As Margaret Thatcher pointed out, that
works well, until you run out of other
people’s money to spend on bribes.

Well, at least Arizonans don’t have this guy providing spiritual advice…
Posted by: tjp612
that’s because they’re most likely part of the fraud evangelical christian mafia

So, Jeff, ready to forgo your state’s portion of the stimulus? But hey, since AZ is one of the Welfare States (recieving more money from the federal coffers than AZ provides) why should this be any different. It’s okay to dip your hands into the pockets of the Northeast and East Coast states.

Every penny of the Porkulus that’s been paid out needs to be recouped and not another penny should be doled out. Both Bush’s and Obama’s Bailouts were frauds to line the pockets of their foreign bankers, chiefly, the Red Chinese and the Wahabbi Saudis. The Porkulus Bailout needs to be halted and ended. A moratorium on all “bailouts” and social spending should be instituted and an austere period of American govt. shall begin. States will have to fend for themselves. All illegal aliens must be told to leave the U.S. to save the Republic. There’s a chance, just a chance that we can save the nation if these are done.

I can’t show you my birth certificate either should I be kicked out of the country too? I guess we should start stopping people randomly on the street and if they can’t provide proof they were born here then we should kick em out………

DK, are you really that obtuse? Of course we shouldn’t stop people on the street and ask for their birth certificates and kick them out of the US if they can’t produce them. We should, however, demand to see proof that our “president” is legally qualified to be the president.
It’s obvious from the tactics this administration is using that they are definitely at least “wanna be” dictators. The speed with which they are tearing the country down is amazing; even Jimmy Carter couldn’t do it so fast. Their destruction of this country definitely needs to be stopped.

$1 million, 3 separate law firms, fradulent documents purported to be originals; how are all these related? Barry’s attempt to conceal the truth about his place of birth, and college admissions. What’s he hiding? Let’s also add, forced hostile take overs of private companies, forced ‘health care’ from cradle to crave, forced ruination of the American economy. I see a naked marxist, fact.
Wake Up Sheeple!!!

JohnnyLee You have swallowed the whole democrat lie about Bush. Do some research
1. 911 Clinton in office eight years, Bush 7 months. Clinton’s fault
2. 6,000 Kurds and Iranians killed by chemical gas (WMD) Scud missiles with chemical warheads (WMD) all proven to be in Iraq before invasion.
3.ODL was in the sights but Clinton refused to pull the trigger.
4.Obama has spent more money than all other pres. combined incl. Bush.
5.Not one single case of illegal spying ever proven.
6. Torture saved millions of Amer. lives. Should have done more.
7.Not one proven viiolation of Constitution by Cheney or Bush. Obama on the other hand has violated the Contitution at least 32 times so far. Can be proved.

“1. 911 Clinton in office eight years, Bush 7 months. Clinton’s fault”
yes Bush is not at fault for ignroing warning of an impending attack
“2. 6,000 Kurds and Iranians killed by chemical gas (WMD) Scud missiles with chemical warheads (WMD) all proven to be in Iraq before invasion.”
Yeah way before….like in 1988 when REAGAN was in office and Saddam was our buddy.

Dr. Hood…Good call. I caught it to. That is the way the government works. If they have $48 They rationalize they can spend $520.
On another note, Obama is terrible. How about a slogan taken from the dems like…OBAMA LIED, COUNTRY DIED.

I love Arizona and I abhor the politicians that have her in a stranglehold. If half of the bizarre goings on in our State legislature were picked up on nationally, we would be the laughingstock of the nation. Add to that our two Senators…one a repugnant conservative bully with no concept of moving anywhere but backward and the other used to be a man, but not sure what happend to his backbone when he ran for President. Anybody got a spare can of Republican-be-Gone???