Today’s Q’s For O’s White House

“What about the New Haven firefighters whose exams you and Sonia Sotomayor stamped “whites need not apply” on? ”
Funny thing came up about this.
Turns out the New Haven fire department had been successfully sued quite a few times for discriminating against minorities and women.
I encourage people to read Ruben Navarrette column on this.

“Ronald Reagan turned around the Carter recession immediately.”
The following numbers are 1980 thru 1982 by quarter in order
1.3
-7.8
-0.7
7.6
8.4
-3.1
4.9
-4.9
-6.4
2.2
-1.5
0.4
“George Bush turned around the Jim Jeffords recession immediately.”
ROFLMAO!
Right wingers are getting quite desperate.

Palin needs to study foreign policy more before she thinks about running for President.The GOP missed the boat when they turn their backs on Ron Paul. He needs to run again I think people are ready to listen to reason for a real change.

“The GOP missed the boat when they turn their backs on Ron Paul”
Social conservatives hate Ron Paul.

The real problem with the stimulus is that it is a HUGE amount of debt that will last for generations and it accomplishes very little that is of any real value. It won’t even help to create jobs for another two years, and even then those jobs will mostly be make-work rather than genuinely productive activities. Posted by: Peter | Jul 2, 2009 3:00:13 PM
Hopefully all Americans will see this by the fall of 2010 or 2012 at the latest. Conservative talk show hosts and alternative media sources screamed this every day before the vote – but the MSM refused to listen – and the country was sold out by Democrats and many Republicans, too. This is as much their stimulus as President Obama’s.
Check the voting record of your representatives and vote accordingly in 2010. And remember voting “present” is no excuse.

DEMOCRATS GET 88% OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM KNOWN FELON!
A REAL SHOCKA!
The now famous Bernie Madoff made a fortune, and he played politics with some of that money. In total, he and his wife, Ruth, have given $238,200 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1991, with Democrats getting 88 percent of that.

“we created jobs through the 1900 road projects so the construction numbers would have been even WORSE had we not done so”
Yes. This is pretty straight forward. Construction jobs have taken an incredible beating since the bottom fell out of the housing market.

“The now famous Bernie Madoff made a fortune, and he played politics with some of that money. In total, he and his wife, Ruth, have given $238,200 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1991, with Democrats getting 88 percent of that.”
Actually I surprised he contributed that little.
After all Ken Lay gave over $750,000 with 85% going to Republicans.

“stimulus plan is creating 1900 road and construction projects”
“is creating”? not “has created?”
probably should have said “stimulus plan is filling 1900 potholes” (construction company owners pocket what’s left over)

it was all about job creation Posted by: 2Brixshy | Jul 2, 2009 4:36:11 PM
It still is all about job creation. Didn’t you know that 1900 potholes have been filled in so far?
Oh wait, IS creating? I guess it depends of what your definition of IS is.

DOT Recovery website:
Report Date: 2009-06-26
Financial Status:
Total Available: $20,462,533,829
Total Paid Out: $441,170,274
For those of you keeping score at home (because you’re unemployed), that’s 20 billion available and 441 million paid out. I gues there weren’t many shovel ready projects ready for the DOT.
There’s a line graph on the site that if squint really, really, really hard you can see the Total Paid Out line in the graph.
Nothing on the number of jobs created though. wasn’t this a job creation Stimulus Plan? Probably lots of jobs created in other Federal Agencies. I’ll go check….

It also provided for funding so that people currently being laid off would have some sort of medical coverage.
Maybe that’s a joke to you, but losing your job and losing your medical coverage and having your whole family at risk is not funny.

If a tree falls in the forest…
… never mind.

Timmy . . ..
You really should do some research on how the Recovery funds are to be rolled out.
And by the way, tell us more about ‘the Rapture’ you were mentioning the other day.

“The COBRA stimulus plan basically has two parts. In the first part, The COBRA stimulus plan will be able to step in and help struggling families trying to pay their COBRA benefits. People who are currently enrolled in the COBRA plan will get a 65% reduction in their premium costs. This will be a huge savings to many families struggling to keep their COBRA benefits.”
Of course, a friend of mine who retired near the beginning of the year counting on this told me today that the process has not been implemented yet. Way to go President Obama!

Between December 2007 and November 2008 the Dow Jones fell SEVEN THOUSAND points.
Timmy you may not understand it, but this was a major, major meltdown of the markets and the economy.
It is not a joke. You can not waive a magic wand and fix this.
Your cheap shots at the President are done largely out of ignorance and bias – you critisize him for everything. I’ve seen it.
But the economic situation left at the end of the Bush administration is no joke. Quit trying to gain petty victories by ridicule.

Cap and Trade and a second stimulus bill, Yea Yea that’s the ticket.(green jobs too). Hurry up Joe, go to Iraq, tell em how I always knew the surge would work!

One of the natural benefits of a capitalistic kind of economic arrangement, with lightly governed exploits for profits by private owners, is that when the leverage dam breaks at the end of the cycle, the great losses are not daily rice rations, but stuff like a second home, or renting in a different part of the country instead of owning in the higher end, or reduced trips in the car, or fewer snack items, etc. Thank God we don’t have an efficient use of, or an effective or even distribution of, most ownership, power, and property. The imbalances between us all provide more collective flexibility to address our needs collectively in nature’s changing circumstances.

“Rasmussen has odumbo’s approval index at -2 today.”
ROFLMAO!
Yes Rasmussen’s made up new index so they can avoid reporting his job approval rating.
Of course when Bush was in office his Rasmussen index was -40 so Rasmussen preferred to just state his job approval numbers which Rasmussen had 10 pts higher than any other polling org.
The reason being that Rasmussen pegs GOP self ids at 33% when no other poll has them higher than 28%.
He then uses that to weight his polls.
Then he goes on FoxNews to tell that audience what it wants to hear.
“It has been in negative territory for a few days now. Who again is desperate, Ryan C?”
You are. Relying on a single daily tracking poll with a newly made up index.
Even then Obama’s approval rating in Rasmussen has been remarkably consistent over the last month or so.
Real Clear Politics offers a poll average of the two daily tracking polls as well as 5 or 6 polls within the last two weeks.
They currently have Obama at 58.8 which is the lowest point he has been at. Of course his peak was 62.4 over the last few months.
So you again have a consistent 59 to 62% spread over the course of 3 months.
“Wrong. Obie got more pledged delegates, but Hillary got more popular votes.”
The only way Hillary gets more popular votes was by including Michigan in a primary that did not count and where she was the only major Democrat on the ballot.
She got less popualr votes, she got less pledged delegate votes and she got less superdelegate votes.
She was not cheated, she failed to properly contest Iowa and it proved to be her undoing.
Because she had to play catch up and put everything into SuperTuesday to force Obama to draw, then she had nothing left for a month in which the Obama organization gobbled up victories.
Many people including myself thought she would have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday but in hindsight not going after Iowa until Dec was a mistake.

Danita- Leaving so soon? Apparently you’ve missed some of the things that happen in places like North Korea, where they are so efficient at use of resources and so just at even distribution of goods, that now you can see the mass graves from space layered on hills from the most recent rice shortage?

“the president, at a health care forum, said the stimulus has done its job.”
Yes, this is a true statement. The stimulus is not doing anything to improve the economy while increasing the national debt. This is EXACTLY what Obama wants: Lackluster economy, chaos, and an increased dependence on government by the masses.
Great job, Obummer!

The MSM slobbers all over Obama for almost two years and liberals are fine with that. A poll that shows Obama in a bad light comes out and they scream how wrong it is!
Pfft…

Bob the Blogger has a point there about Gibbs thinking like a Ninja. The number one video is – Urban Ninja – watch it Gibbs. As for Helen we may have to clone Bruce Lee but Bruce isn’t a pundit and the chances are Helen would kick his … with one verbal punch. But we know you and Helen will become friends so hang in there :-D

WhereWasThePress . .
The Dow Jones lost 7000 points between November 2007 and December 2008.
Do you think this collapse was orchestrated by Bush on his watch?
Like did he orchestrate it so Obama could take control and then imprison the entire country!?

My unemployment ran out. I was just told by the bank that I now need to keep at least 200 dollars in my pass book saving account and I only have 25 dollars in it. I dropped my debit card last year because the rates keep going up and I lost my job. I always thought that a pass book saving account would always be a safe bet. But now the bank is saying my small amount of money isn’t doing anything for them and now they threaten to close it. If only the banks would stick with us in hard times without threating us with closing our accounts. But profits are more important to banks and Corporations right now. For people like us we are going on a wing and pray right now one step away from being coming homeless. With the Republicans we don’t count. At least the President Obama we have a chance. I just don’t think the mess Bush and the Republicans left Americans on main street can be fixed right away.

Are we watching China pass the USA as a superpower by 2020 – 2030 as special interests in USA looks for its quarterly profits? At what point do special interests may sacrifices or is it on the shoulders of us? The Republicans put us in this mess and should be held accountable in 2010, 2012 and 2016.
This just came out —-
Markets in China Fly High Once More
New York Times – David Barboza – ‎
SHANGHAI – Fueled by renewed confidence in economic growth in China and perhaps the kind of frenzied buying that took place a few years ago, Chinese stock prices are once again soaring.

“To believe anyone can turn any country’s economy around quickly is like believing in the tooth fairy.”
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Well, Lydia, I guess BHO believed he was the tooth fairy.
The economy has shed 1.6 million jobs since the stimulus measure was signed in February, far overshadowing White House announcements estimating the effort has saved 150,000 jobs.
For the first time, the administration admitted the economic forecasts it used to sell the stimulus were overly optimistic. “At the time, our forecast seemed reasonable,” Vice President Joe Biden’s top economic adviser, Jared Bernstein, said Monday, explaining that the White House underestimated the scope of the recession. “Now, looking back, it was clearly too optimistic.”
By now, according to earlier White House economic models, the nation’s unemployment rate should be on the decline. The forecasts used to drum up support for the plan projected today’s unemployment would be about 8 percent. Instead, it sits at 9.4 percent, the highest in more than 25 years.
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It has become tremendously tiresome and dull to continuously hear the dirge of the blame game “…but he inherited all these problems.”
He knew exactly what the economy was facing the ENTIRE time he was campaigning. He promised that he could solve all the problems with his hope and change ideas. He could have dropped out of the race before Nov 5th if he thought it was beyond his scope “to inherit” a recession. Blah, blah, blah. Your ideas stink BHO, and they make the situation monumentally worse. But go ahead and be a baby about it. Your victim mentality followers feel sorry for you and they’ve got your back…

What kind of tax scheme does Iran have? I’m pretty sure it’s not even mandated to give the alms?

On June 29, MS-NBC’s Chuck Todd asked White House press secretary Robert Gibbs when the time will come to judge the success of the stimulus package Barack Obama pushed Congress to pass. Gibbs says we can start now.
So we’ll see how many jobs are created in July. The clock is ticking. 3.5 million jobs must be created by the end of his first term. And we’re talking jobs created – not saved. Obama said that 3.5 million jobs would be created before the bill was passed. Only after it was passed, did he backtrack and say created or saved.

“The stimulus is working better then they had hoped.
It’s destroying the economy at a quicker pace then anything imagined before, all the while political allies of Obama are raking in billions.”
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Jul 3, 2009 12:09:17 AM
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What you’re upset its not the Prescott Bush offspring, Cheney, the oil crowd, Halliburton and the Saudi’s running the show?

Google Helen Thomas and Chip Reid from the White House Press briefing. And ask yourself why doesn’t ABC news even have this story on their website? Wake Up America; our country’s future is at stake!

WakeUpPeople – They need legitimate questions in the town halls – not where is your birth certificate, why did you give 4.5 billion to Acorn, why are you a muslim, are you the anti-christ.?.. and all the other right winger nonsense spewed in this forum and other forums and some faux news channels on a daily basis….

“due to the fact our country just came back from the brink of financial collapse.”
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Financial collapse happens when you live off of promising more than you can deliver.

Liberals/Democrats have been “helping” African Americans out of poverty for – oh about 40 years now. And yet somehow the black community stil has the same problems and more. Great job! If libs/dems actually succeeds, they would lose their political influence. So they turn on the “prosperity spout” just enough to keep the black community satisfied but wanting more. Then the libs/dems blame Republicans for holding them back.
Once the Latino community started to grow, the libs/dems simply applied the same strategy.
It’s the “mushroom principle” – cover them with bull and keep them in the dark.

Yup, Skip, all “our fault” as “us guys” expected.

Skip, 40 years! More like 50! How long is this going to take? Are you that inept? With all the money wasted, you could have sent cash or bought everyone of them a house! But Dems need victims or their party platform would collapse. They need victims Skip!

Well, if this is the stimulus “working” then I can hardly wait to see the results when finished. If you guys will remember, King Obama promised that if this porkulus bill was passed quickly that unemployment would not top 8%….his own words. Now we have unemployment at 9.5%, and the broader U6 measurement has unemployment currently at 16.5%. Even Obama has now conceded that unemployment will top 10%, and many “real” economist see unemployment in 2010 at or over 10.7%. So if this the so called stimulus plan working, well guys, we are in deep trouble! Change we can’t believe!!

“While you guys have been doing what?”
“Us guys” have been extolling the virtues of hard work and personal responsibility.
Tough love is tough, it takes discipline and the belief that there are consequences to our actions.
Liberals prefer to encourage codependence and lack of consequence to feel good about themselves rather than actually help others.
It is the soft bigotry of low expectations that have held people back, not lack of social programs.
Social programs keep people stuck in poverty by making them dependent on the government.
The Democrats believe in a kind and benevolant master taking care of the plantation. They don’t think farther out to the unintended consequences of good intentions.
Republicans believe each individual is the master of their own destiny, free to succeed or fail and free to try again.

“Us guys” have been extolling the virtues…”
I won’t knock you guys for extolling virtues, but social programs have shown some success in the past beyond just good intentioned philosophy.

“(S)ocial programs have shown some success”
It depends on how you define success. Success in turning all major cities into Democratic enclaves.
Success in sprinkling layer upon layer of liberal leaning bureaucrats in programs designed to dispense just enough to keep people in misery and in need of more government rather than extolling self-determination and self-reliance?
It reminds me of Obama saying the stimulus is working the way it is supposed to work. He is sending us into crisis in order to send us into government servitude.
I guess it depends on how you view the role of government and the individual.
With liberals the government is master, with conservatives the individual is master of himself.

Oh please bring back those wonderful Republicans. Man the country prospered under Cheney and Bush, and the oil crowd, and the Halliburton contracts, and all that Saudi kissing and hand holding, and the President not taking any news conferences so people couldn’t ask questions, and that war of lies and death and disgrace, and the tumbling economony and the way the made government smaller by doubling the national debt, and their charm and intelligence- that Bush he was a bright one, and the spying on people, and the stonewalling of information, and the insulting of other countries, and the Mission Accomplished, and the sex in the airport washrooms, and the romances with page boys and well just everything they did for the blessed country.
I bet if the Republicans were in power they’d have this silly little ecnomomic thing fixed in 3 months.

Gibbs: a shining example of why children
should be seen, and not heard.

WhereWasThePress? . . .
Yes, the Democrats are evil Marxists, they don’t believe in Jesus or our God, and they have always destroyed the country.
You look back at history and every Democrat who ever got elected in any position has destroyed the country.
Only the Republicans know what to do – they have the help of the almighty after all – and they have big oil on their side.
You look at the Republican convention and they’re mostly old white people and those people have the wisdom of the ages behind them. Democrats are young and from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds and why would you trust that type?
If only we could back to those golden days of the Republicans – you remember those past 8 years right? Marvelous!

“Many young people are waking up to the reality that they will be saddled with crushing debt under the Democrats.”
Bush and the Republicans already saddled them with debt – President Obama and his administration are trying to rescue the country from the mess left by Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Republican brain trust.

“After Sarah Palin’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Week she has announced she will be stepping down in a few weeks. In a press conference call this morning, Alaska’s Governor Sarah Palin announced she will not run for re-election and is stepping down as governor.
She had a brief statement. She took no questions.”
I wonder where this will lead. Good gawd, imagine her a Vice-President dealing with Iraq.
“She took no questions” – same approach as George Bush. Not bright enough to answer questions and too afraid of what the answers might reveal.

“ALL of the G7 countries are currently facing crashing businesses, bankruptcies, deficits, increased unemployment payments, factory closings and attempt to rescue the consumer society from complete collapse.”
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Danita- You are making these paper problems sound so much bigger than any government administration can handle in order to defend the dramatic policies of the current administration. Will you then turn around now and say that it is the place of government to save the day?

Hm, interesting.

Oh, and also included in cuts are psychiatric sessions (which might apply to you, Danita, if you live in California, even if you are from some other country), unless you go to a county facility.

Lucky we have you and your friends to stay in touch with and manage us ‘real people’, Danita.

“You think it is an easy fix? You’re a fool. It is not an easy fix, much as people like you like to pretend the world economic collapse could be reversed – in a matter of months.”
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AS much as you seem to be connected with the younger side of the global group that seems to always need a crisis to feel important (probably due to lack of parents at home during the formative years), I still have the same question for you, if you believe that these ‘problems’ which you make out to be so much bigger than any administration are, incredulously, the proper object of solutions from government administrations?

So your theory is that the global FINANCIAL (not economic) ‘problems’ were easliy caused by US government policy, but now they cannot be easily fixed by US government policy?

OR that ‘problems’ that were easily created by government without much effort now must necessarily be ‘solved’ by government administrations with extreme, drastic and difficult changes to our way of life for which no short-term improvements should be anticipated?

Skip- Good point. Well taken. A ‘broken’ leveraged financial position is called bankruptcy. Bankruptcy happens when you spend too much on unproductive resources, or fail to invest in productive resources. How does that align with your views?

“How does that align with your views?”
I can’t argue with that as long as we have the understanding that we’re being metaphorical.

With liberals the government is master, with conservatives the individual is master of himself.
Posted by: WhereWasThePress? | Jul 3, 2009 12:31:14 PM
Guess which one the Founding Fathers favored in their documents?
Uh, let’s see now…

Obama’s ill-advised $700B+ “stimulus” program is a train-wreck: Posted by: Reaganite Republican | Jul 3, 2009 12:09:36 PM
Don’t worry, Biden is overseeing the stimulus plan… oh, wait he put his foot in his mouth one too many times so they shipped him off to Iraq to oversee the troop withdrawals, cause you know he’s really sharp on foreign policy – even though he “knew” that the only way to handle Iraq was to split it into thirds. SNORT!

Danita wrote: “No Mark, I’m outlining the sequence of what happened when the Republican party and the Bush administration were in power.”
You seem to forget when the Republicans had control of both Houses of Congress between 1995-2001. You remember the “good ol’ days” of the Clinton Administration, where the Republican-led Congress actually managed to turn around the economy and created the surplus.
Unfortunately the Republicans let the feel of power get in the way and they sold out their principles. Instead of cutting spending, they increased the size of the federal government. And President Bush didn’t stop them with vetos. But in spite of their greed for power, in spite of the recession of 2000-2001, in spite of the attacks of 9/11/01, and in spite of the War on Terror, and the Battles of Afghanistan and Iraq, the economy turned around in late 2003 and was a boom through 2007.
Had the Republican’s kept to their principles of smaller government by cutting spending instead of letting spending skyrocket out of control (above and beyond the cost of running the Battles of Afghanistan and Iraq) the economy would have been even more of a boom. And we might have actually gotten through the flexible subprime mortgage crisis, with all the greed and handing out of loans to nearly anyone who could breathe, unscathed. Of course had the Republicans stood up to the Democrats in 2005-2006 and heeded the Bush Administration’s warnings of the loan practices by the financial institutions (including Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac); OR had the Democrats heeded the same warning in 2007, we might have greatly limited the financial crisis.
So now we have President Obama wanting to triple or quadruple the size of the federal government which will double the size of the national debt again (from $10 trillion to $20 trillion). You complain about the Bush Administration doubling the size of the national debt, but don’t seem to be bothered with President Obama’s unprecedented spending.

Hey this is a serious economic crisis!
I’ll be right back; I have to go on a worldwide apology tour…
No really, this is worse than we thought!
I’ll be right back. I have to have some townhall meetings to push my stimulus plan over the top…
Wow! Bush and the Republicans really left us a mess!
Wow, is it date night already?…
The auto industry is a mess and is going to take some time to clean up.
Hey Joe! Let’s go out for burgers and fries! What? The press? Oh sure! Them too! Lunch is on me!…
I’m deeply concerned about things in Iran but I just can’t be meddling.
Who wants some ice cream!…
Ok, this is really serious guys. Don’t you care about the families that have lost their jobs?
Let’s do a flyover photo op in NYC. It’ll be a hoot!…
We’re hooked on fossil fuels and no one cares but me!
Hey I’ve got a great idea! Let’s get a dog; Uncle Teddy will get us one for free, we’ll call him B.O. and we’ll sell B.O. books at Petsmart!…
Healthcare. Whew! Another mess left to us by the Republicans. They don’t give a crap about anybody. They just worship the almighty dollar!
Hey, Michelle honey. Do we still have any of that money left over from the “mysterious” contributions that poured in towards the end of our campaign?…
Greeeeeen jobs! That’s the ticket!
Sarah Palin resigned? Oh, thank God. I thought I was going to have to go back on Ellen’s show and do my hip swiveling routine again – ’cause I’m cool like dat!…

Unfortunately the Republicans let the feel of power get in the way and they sold out their principles. Instead of cutting spending, they increased the size of the federal government. And President Bush didn’t stop them with vetos. Posted by: James Danley | Jul 3, 2009 10:08:02 PM
Now see, that’s what I like about conservatives (or whatever you might be James). They are not afraid to admit mistakes. On the other hand, a liberal will never, ever admit a mistake.

“[who has given]Home ownership opportunities?”
“On the other hand, who artificially propped up black home ownership until they ran out of buyers?”
Which is it there Timmy? So when the Democrats offer REAL home ownership opportunities it becomes ‘artificially propping’. Posted by: Skip | Jul 3, 2009 10:49:29 AM
Well, it’s both actually. Republicans have always been a friend to blacks in small business and responsible homeownership and in the beginning of Bush’s administration, this was still the case. Clinton got it started and Bush continued it.
However, once the Thug-ocrats stuck their corrupt noses into things (Maxine “There is Nothing Wrong with Fannie or Freddie” Waters, Barney Frank, Chris “The Friends of Angelo” Dodd and the Liberal idiots who paraded through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collecting HUGE bonus to lie and cover up, things really started to fall apart.
Everyone was partially complicit but the names above were the single-most factor in the housing collapse. Of course, it was all covered up by the liberal MSM during the campaign because they had too much to lose.
That answer your question Skip?

Skip- Interesting view. I rented a Chrysler last week instead of driving my Toyota SUV. The Toyota gets better mileage than any ‘American’ wagon, the factory employed nearly as many Americans in the entire process as the big Unions, the engineering is providing an investement to out-value any used ‘economy’ vehicle dollar for dollar. Inside that Chrysler, I couldn’t believe all the shortcuts that had been taken, the lack of modern marketing, materials engineering and design. For Toyota, most of those pluses came from Americans or American corporations. I still put a high investment value on my 1979 Ford truck, though.

Tonight I’m wondering… if it is such a god-awful emergency that we are addicted to oil, why doesn’t President Obama declare a national state of emergency, ban sales of all new combustible engine cars and force the country to buy hybrids?
Why is it acceptable to sell these gas guzzlers for however long it takes to switch to alternative fuels for however long it takes. I mean it’s a crisis right? That’s why the cap & trade must be passed right away, without even knowing what’s in the bill, right?
Let’s get it over with! Rip it off like a bandaid!

Timmy . .. .
And what did you find out about banking and loans deregulation under Reagan?

Danita wrote: “Four months into the Recovery and Reinvestment program and you’ve already judged it. Good for you, we should put you on a jury”
Can we get a bit more snarky and condescending?
Lets see if I understand this correctly… 4 months into stimulus, its totally fine & dandy for Obama & admin. to boldly and repeatedly claim that the stimulus is working, with virtually nothing to support the claim (and only 11% of stimulus dollars to even be spent this year – the year its really needed!! So what % has ACTUALLY gone out to end recipients by now??).
But someone reading Obama’s State-of-the-stimulus-at-4-months-is-unqualified-success-of-course, someone reading Obama’s claims and having the audacity and gall to DARE note that the economic data available don’t support those claims… well THAT unreasonable person is jumping the gun, rushing to unwarranted conclusions because its only been 4 months?
Have I got that about right?
Check mind-set, get it right:
**Obama good. Pro-Obama & Obama-Worship VERY GOOD.
**Even thinking, let along mentioning -daring- to bring up reality = Moot.
**Questioning Obama, even implying he could be questioned, well, that’s just downright WRONG! & maybe even evil & the person who does it, well, open season on ‘em, they DESERVE public character assassination for sure!
Check, got it.

“… fiat currency driven by the competition between public and private paperwork…”
Oh no! Don’t get Mark going about currency again. I guess I’ve got to tell you though that I was talking to some of the guys about this corn based currency and apparently there has been some conjecture that corn is indeed valuable in a basic way that most people aren’t aware of. There is apparently some guy who I can’t identify right now that claims that nearly all industrial products or processes are fundamentally dependent on corn at some point.

“That answer your question Skip?”
Not really. So you’re saying it’s just a big PR problem? I mean if that were true then they should vote for Republicans.

The way it works now is interest is supposed to drive competetion, which can’t happen when energy supplies are decreasing. That’s why the big financial bust. So politics will drive competition, like it does in China where they were so many centuries at full population capacity. There will be greater and greater injustice in government and politics with greater increase in defectives and criminal or underground activity over the next century or two, without just management of a good-based currency (even launched concurrently).

Thanks for the encouragement, Skip. As much as Danita has to scream and hollar about the magnitude of the global financial crisis, I have to at least give some effort in communicating the obvious solution, in hopes that some out there will consider it.

Sorry, Danita. Your comprehension of global finance is way behind the curve.

I don’t have to ‘go for it’, Danita. Nature will take care of itself. The question is if the current systems of government are going to go along for the ride?

Perfect solution . . . and so obvious.

I’m glad you agreed Mark.
Millions of people have lost their jobs and more are each day.

Danita- It’s a reversal of leverage, not a reversal of goods. There is little change to what we have available for the people who have been eating and heating/cooling their homes and driving their cars everyday. The question is how do we distribute those goods. If we stick to the British system, China and India will have more say because they have the higher growth rates. But why should we subject ourselves to the British system? Why not base our currency on an accounting for our own national wealth instead of the British concept of ‘development’?

TCT-RE:Regulation/deregulation It seems to evade many well-intentioned patriots that the character of a nation can never be better than the character of its citizens. Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | Jul 4, 2009 12:47:54 AM
I like that. Can I use it in a post some day?
Note to self: Buy Mark Levin’s new book.

Regarding Sarah Palin’s resignation. . ..
“i think republicans are suffering from a cosmic justice of sorts right now. their attitude is really, amazingly bad. i mean, they’re basically in power for about 8 years and they run the country into the ground. voters turn from them and elect a democratic president, and one would think that the republicans would at least give him a realistic amount of time to turn around the train wreck they created.
“no. instead, from day 2 they attack obama over and over and over again, from big grievances like the budget, to small grievances such as whether or not obama bowed to the king of saudi arabi. they simply won’t shut up and give this guy a chance.
“so it’d seem that god has stepped in, and he’s smiting the republicans down left and right: an affair here, a nervous breakdown there. the message to the republicans is clear from the voters and the heavens: SHUT UP!”

Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | Jul 4, 2009 12:59:29 AM
Sir, you are not keeping up. We’re discussing Sarah Palin now. We’re not discussing deregulation anymore.

Republicans are not corrupt . . . I thought we already established that.

MarkLeavenworth . …
“‘Multi-Racial’ is the fastest growing demographic, and I think it will leave both republicans and democrats out in the cold.”
How so Mark, the Democratic convention looked nothing if not multi-racial.

4) Said corrupt politicians make sure their corrupt buddies get into positions of power in the corporations that control this market, oh, let’s say Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Amendment: , stay just long enough to collect tens of millions of dollars in bonuses.

‘Multi-Racial’ is the fastest growing demographic, and I think it will leave both republicans and democrats out in the cold. Posted by: MarkLeavenworth | Jul 4, 2009 1:08:37 AM
Do you mean they are 1) not interested in politics, 2) not interested in political parties, 3) not interested in these two parties or 4) vote for the “person?”

Anybody remember that the Republicans actually had a lot of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac lobbyists in their corner?

Try looking back, instead of ahead all the time, Danita, and you’ll see that your question was already answered.

uninformative answer . …worth a second try. . . but, nothing of substance forthcoming

I have lots of multi-racial acquaintances, I have a fair idea of what mixed race people look like.
I saw lots of multi-racial people in the Democratic convention crowd!

Actually, not only useless, but a political liability.

But getting back to the topic at hand, the Democratic convention had many, many multi-racial people there. . .

Syria’s First Lady Asma al Assad said she envisioned her husband, Bashar, and Barack Obama joining forces.
“The fact is President Obama is young,” al Assad said, “and President Assad is also very young as well, so maybe it is time for these young leaders to make a difference in the world.”
President Assad’s comments also come a month after Obama outlined in a historic speech in Egypt his determination to broker peace among Israel and its Arab neighbors and improve U.S. relations in the region.
“The values that were adopted by President Obama during his election campaign and after he was elected president are values that the world needs today,” Assad said in the telegram that was carried by state-run news agency SANA.
“It is very important to adopt the principle of dialogue in relations with countries based on respect and mutual interest,” Assad said.

As to the other issues from your reply:
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Danita: “What I remember President Obama clearly and repeatedly saying to us was that the economic recovery would not be easy, nor would it be fast. He cautioned that things might well get worse before they got better.
Were you asleep during this, or did you chose to ignore it?
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Then why is he claiming that the stimulus is a success at 4 months?
All the vague and ambiguous weasle worded rationalizations that Obama lives by simply set up a situation where no matter WHAT happens, bad or good, he claims to have been right. Not only right, but right with the ever present “I told you so.” This is one prime example. The totally unmeasurable and therefore trumpeted to high heavens “saved or created x number of jobs” is another. You clearly fall for it.
What you seem to have missed or choose to ignore, are the very few hard metrics that Obama promised. Part of how he sold the stimulus was with a claim and a nice little graph showing that if it were passed, it would limit unemployment to no more than 8%. We’re now at about 9.5% and rapidly climbing. Not working, Not successful by his own measure.
He also promised that the stimulus would be “timely, targeted, and transparent.”
Well, the time is NOW, the “crisis” is NOW, yet only 11% of the stimulus will be applied this year. Clearly that’s not timely OR targeted. Worse, he’s designated more than 84 MILLION dollars to create a website to track distribution of funds (!!!) — only that website won’t be functional before the end of NEXT year. Plus there was no requirement for reporting fund distribution beyond the second level — so there’s NO way to tell WHERE those funds are actually going. That ain’t transparent or timely. Not working, Not successful by his own measure.
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Danita: “Ignorance is a lame excuse.”
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Honey, don’t be so hard on yourself!
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Danita: “The Recovery and Reinvestment plan is probably right on schedule”
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So you admit you don’t have a clue, but choose to assume whatever puts Obama in the best light, regardless of fact.
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Danita: “and thus ‘working’.
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Sorry, changing the definition of words and/or moving the goalposts doesn’t cut it. A program is working when it produces the desired or promised product or effect. Being on schedule merely reflects that the plan is in progress and being executed. God knows if the stimulus is or isn’t — no one had a chance to even read the thing before they voted on it, and its a massive hodge-podge of pay-offs to special interests.
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Danita: “That it isn’t working fast enough for you, again points to your lack of understanding of the depth ofr the economic crisis.”
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Misdirection and putting words in my mouth doesn’t cut it either. I only said that if you think it reasonable that Obama is judging it at 4 months, then its unreasonable for you to lambast another poster for daring to evaluate Obama’s claim. Its an interesting leap tho, since you haven’t shown any evidence that its working at all, let alone successful.

“Oh let’s not forget when the Prescott Bush clan, big oil, Cheney, Halliburton, Kellogg-Brown and the Saudis were running the show. Cheney back and forth between government and big oil, single source contracts worth millions, etc.”
And exactly what is different now? Danita, the thing that’s most entertaining about you is your complete and absolute inability to prove a single one of your assertions.

“…no. instead, from day 2 they attack obama over and over and over again…”
That is what the First Amendment’s Free Speech clause is all about. We of the opposition have the right to oppose! Just because we “as a nation” elected someone president, doesn’t mean that we check our First Amendment Right at the inaugural door.

Wow, apparently the vice-president just told Al-Qaeda in Iraq that if they can pull off a couple of big attacks, the US will cut and run!

I don’t understand you Republicans, and you corporate libertarians. You are constantly backing the wrong horse, whether its the racist Ron Paul, the corrupt Sarah Palin, or the incompetant Gerald Walpin.
If you really wanted to do some damage to the Democratic Party, you’d be raising a stink about how the Obama administration is treating Sheila Blair. Yet, not a peep.
Right and Left have a lot more in common with each other than either has with the moronic corporate ‘centrists’ of both parties. Time to chuck them all!

And Atlas Shrugs Yet Again . …
What I remember President Obama clearly and repeatedly saying to us was that the economic recovery would not be easy, nor would it be fast. He cautioned that things might well get worse before they got better.
That you hear the administration trumpeting great victory and success over the economic crisis – is your absurd interpretation and your desire to hang your whole argument on a few thin interpretations of a few words. Great tactic.
The Recovery and Reinvestment plan is rolling out as they planned it – it’s a multi-year plan which entails large amounts of tax relief as well as firming up of state and local budgets for construction, police, fireman, terachers, medical and such . .
And it includes investment in the energy grid and other cleaner energy approaches.
That you expect it to ‘work’ in 4 months is ridiculous. That you think the administration is stating it has already cured things and the plan has magically ‘worked’ also speaks to your desire to misinterpret.

Oh yes, they’re hiding all the true facts Concerned in OH.
From Gibbs (above)
“We were almost at 700,000 jobs lost a month including a January number, 741,000 jobs lost, which is the greatest one-month total in the history of our country” from Gibbs.
They sure are trying to trick the public with statement like “the greatest one-month total in the history of our country”
Those evil, sneaky Democrats.

From Gibbs (above)
“And it’s just going to take some time. We understand that. Again, the president sees this through the eyes of the American people. The American people are hurting. More and more people are losing their jobs. They’re losing their health care. They’re losing their home and their opportunity.”
Another strutting claim of victory from the White House? You choose to see what you choose to see Concerned in OH. That is your bias.

Concerned in Oh …
“It’s unreal how I can show you their exact words and you still refuse to believe they said it.”
Try reading the words in the article on this page (see above – the one we’re supposed to be commenting on).
You will find – not boasting about victory – but acknowledgement that turning this economic crisis around is not going to be easy, that it is going to take time, that people are still losing jobs . … and much more.

James Danley . ..
You beg the question. How many teachers, firefighters and policeman were not layed off. As I’m sure you know, a fair portion of the Recovery and Reinvestment money went to firm up state and local budgets so people didn’t have to be laid off.
Do I think this plan is perfect, or that nobody falls through the cracks? Get real. This is economic meltdown is second only to the Great Depression.
Tax credits being received by 95% of families in america, food assistance increased, people kept on Medicaid and more given assistance and so on . . .. failures? Probably not.
Funding to states apparently saved jobs and safety net programs about to disappear. That maintains stability and assists people in very tough times.
What exactly do you think should have happened in the past few months James? What should have been achieved already?
Are you one of the people who think the President can snap his fingers and miraculously cure an extreme economic crisis?

Danita, I stated what President Obama said: “And it’s done its job.” You should ask President Obama what he means by that, since clearly some teachers, firefighters and police officers have lost their jobs.
Now then you wrote: What exactly do you think should have happened in the past few months James? What should have been achieved already?”
President Obama should have stated on January 20th, that the economy is far worse than he had imagined during the campaign. That due to the severity of the financial collapse that he will immediately ask for the Bush tax cuts to be made permanent. Then instead of the Recovery and Reinvestment Act that was passed, he should have called for an additional across the board 10% tax cut, retroactive to January 1st; AND call for a 10% cut on all non-defense spending.
Now that would have been a stimulus to the economy!

James . .. .
I hope you get the chance to implement your scheme.
I’m going to give this Recovery plan it’s full run before I judge it too harshly – that’s through to 2012.
Cheers.

President Obama said: “And it’s done its job.” You should ask President Obama what he means by that, Posted by: James Danley | Jul 4, 2009 4:41:50 PM
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MORE IMPORTANTLY, REPORTERS LIKE JAKE TAPPER SHOULD ASK!

it was President Obama who said that the Recovery Act “has done its job.” Posted by: James Danley | Jul 4, 2009 4:48:53 PM
You characters grasp at any straw you can find.
President Obama has clearly and repeately said the recover from this ecomonic crisis would not be easy, nor would it be fast. He said clearly things might get worse before they get better.
He is not stupid enough, to mean what you attempt to put in his mouth.
This was not a ‘Mission Accomplished’ statement. Get real.

Friday, May 22, 2009
The Recovery Act provides an estimated $87 billion in additional Medicaid funding to the states through 2010 to maintain State programs in the current economic downturn.
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Jobs Created: 0
Jobs Saved: 0
President Obama: “The Stimulus has done its job.”

Timmy . …
The focus you choose to take on the Recovery and Reinvestment plan is so narrow, it’s hardly worth commenting on. And because of that- it’s not that credible.
You quote – President Obama: “The Stimulus has done its job.”
This was not a ‘Mission Accomplished’ statement. Get real.
President Obama has clearly and repeatedly said the recover from this ecomonic crisis would not be easy, nor would it be fast. He said clearly things might get worse before they get better.
He is not stupid enough, to have meant what you attempt to shackle him with – only if you pull his words TOTALLY out of context.
It’s not so surprising you would pull the words TOTALLY out of context – it’s a common, cheap tactic used to smear someone. However your credibility suffers terribly.
For people who who are interested, the entire Recovery and Reinvestment plan is on the White House web site, so you can study what is scheduled to come on stream and when.

“The unexpected higher figure came about in part because of 52,000 jobs lost from the government sector, despite the . . stimulus which has flowed in part to states to help them avoid laying off teachers, police and other workers.”

Per Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, one must be a natural born citizen to hold office as President. There is widespread info out that Obama does NOT meet this criteria. When will we see Obama’s original birth certificate and other documentation to prove that he was actually a natural born citizen? Why is he hiding his birth certificate?

If the stimulus is working, why are insiders and companies selling stock (22-1) while Wall Street and the Obama administration (including Timmy the Wonder Boy, as in ‘I’ve always wondered about that boy, Timmy’) are telling you to jump back in the market?
You make the call.

Everyone knew the “stimulus” was not stimulative at all. Everyone knew it would fail. Everyone knows it has failed.
In January Obama told us that without the stimulus unemployment would reach 8%. So we got his stimulus, and we got 9.5% unemployment.
Everyone knows that Obama’s words are meaningless. Only the few remaining fools are still in denial.

It wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so classist and racist.

“mission accomplished” – Bush still being vilified after all these years…
“the stimulus has done it’s job” – Obama being defended because that’s not what he meant

It’s not so surprising you would pull the words TOTALLY out of context – it’s a common, cheap tactic used to smear someone. However your credibility suffers terribly.
What a bunch of cheap shot artists.

Interesting, Danita, how you’ve magically shortend the time the stimulus has had to work from originally claiming “only 4 months” to now some “only 3 months.” Gee, and at the same time, you’re now promoting what was to be a “TARGETED, TIMELY, AND TEMPORARY” (per Obama) stimulus bill to help with the recession, to a 4 year program. Did you miss where Obama’s own projections were for the recession to be over mid-year 2009?
Do you think fudging your number claims somehow helps your argument?
By the way, Obama signed the porkulus into law Feb 17, 2009 — do the math.

“Interesting, Danita, how you’ve magically shortend the time the stimulus has had to work from originally claiming “only 4 months” to now some “only 3 months.”"
Posted by: And Atlas Shrugs Yet Again | Jul 5, 2009 4:23:35 PM
Atlas, the point is this plan has only had A FEW SHORT MONTHS, something you choose to ignore and instead pick at threads. Again, pretty cheap tactics.
You expect magical results in a few short months, you live in a fantasy land.
The Recovery and Reinvestment plan is a 4-year plan. It’s on the White House web site.

“Just words? – Don’t Tell Me Words Don’t Matter!” ~ Obama
Posted by: Chiquita | Jul 5, 2009 9:24:40 AM
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I thought that was was said by Deval Patrick in 2006. Oh wait, it was. Obama didn’t say it until 2008.

“Typical from an Obamabot. Everything is a “smear tactic” and “cheap shot.”
Posted by: jennifert7 | Jul 6, 2009 9:26:22 AM”
5 minutes later jennifer proves danita right
“I thought that was was said by Deval Patrick in 2006. Oh wait, it was. Obama didn’t say it until 2008.
Posted by: jennifert7 | Jul 6, 2009 9:31:33 AM”

To j scott davis…are you really still crying about his birth certificate….
That is the weakest, most lame, least thought-out whining that I have ever read….too funny….