WH: Obama sit-down with Gates, Crowley is “about having a beer,” not formal meeting

This is so Obama can call Crowley stupid right to his face.

At a tele-town hall meeting with AARP this afternoon, President Obama will reiterate his case directly to the American people for acting against the status quo and the need for health care reform.
Will Obama tell the AARP members they will be given the less expensive “blue pill” and no surgery past a certain age?

–Meanwhile, the scammer-in-chief’s “health reform” now includes many billions for the insurance companies, and nooo public option of ANY kind.
It’s an insurance-company bailout for corporations who missed the FIRST round of Obama’s give-away of the Treasury–
And why not? Goldman got theirs…Spread your uh, I mean the wealth I say!

It is very dissapointing that Officer Crowley would give in to such an obvious ploy by the increasingly desperate Obama administration to prop up the President’s plummeting approval numbers with a phony Kum-ba-yah photo op. But then, knowing who made the invitation, it was likely an offer he couldn’t refuse.

rednorth | Jul 28, 2009 11:33:08 AM— He’s trying to save himself! Did you listen to the tapes? He lied about the 911 call content and admitted he was shown ID but continued to press the issue!

“But then, knowing who made the invitation, it was likely an offer he couldn’t refuse.”
–> It’d be a little difficult for a Cambridge cop to buck Harvard AND the Harvard operator in the White House …
By bringing his family with him, though, Crowley one-ups Gates, whose former wives are in the rear-view mirror.

Bet Noir | Jul 28, 2009 11:46:00 AM– So there are NO divorces in your family? You judge somebody on that? Well, if your a Repub and it’s rather obvious what do you have to say about Newt and Rush?

: Rick McDaniel- Ya know…..I actually do like this approach, given that the details show that the rush to judgement on Obama’s part, was not warranted.– The details show, Sgt Crowley called for more back up after he KNEW that Prof. Gates owned and lived in the home. So, Pres. Obama was correct, they acted stupidly!

try the truth…gates and obama are the ones who acted stupidly. i dont care who GATES THINKs he is, or how elite he thinks he is, but every joe knows its stupid to screw with cops. all my 6 kids were taught regardless of how they feel….SHUT YOUR MOUTH AROUND COPS..nothing good will come from it. gates should have done what most american citizens woulde have done, and obama should have listened before speaking.

SHUT YOUR MOUTH AROUND COPS
Best advice I’ve read today.

On the scammer-in-chief’s insurance-company hahaha “reform”:
Not ONLY is there no public option, but there’s provision for $10 billion buckaroos — see page 70 (I’ll attempt to post the obscure link separately) — to “provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees.”
Got that? It’s “Single Payer”, but for corporations.

“Got that? It’s “Single Payer”, but for corporations.”
Fortunately the CBO is standing up to Barack Capone and his Chicago Thugs and exposing the The One and Democrats of their lies that the legislation will be “deficit neutral”. Thank you, Douglas Elmendorf.

I have to wonder how many of you Crowley supporters would be screaming your heads off if you’d been arrested for breaking into your own house.
Gates was wrong. Crowley was more wrong because he is supposedly a professional, although after listening to tapes the description of “professional” would appear to be something of an exaggeration…

No, he didn’t call Crowley “stupid”. He didn’t have the guts to do that.
He said the “police” (who was whom again?) acted stupidly.

just boils down to 2 black guys screaming racism… not noting that they themselves are racist, either in their actions or thoughts… debate over

I agree, we all know cops are better people than everyone else. The cops are more honest than common citizens.

There’s no such thing as racism against blacks.

“Fortunately the CBO is standing up to Barack Capone and his Chicago Thugs and exposing the The One and Democrats of their lies that the legislation will be “deficit neutral”. Thank you, Douglas Elmendorf.”
–> It’s PERFECTLY clear why the scammer-in-chief wants Congress to move fast, before members and the press (and the pore ole public, who can’t even FIND, let alone READ, the bill) find out what a disaster He’s peddling as “health care reform”.
The bill’s supposed purpose: “To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes”.
In fact, the House bill does NOT deal with “all Americans” — and the use of “quality” as an adjective defining for “health care” is not only ludicrous, but GRAMMATICALLY incorrect.
p. 863 of the Tricomm bill:
“Amounts appropriated under this section, and outlays flowing from such appropriations, shall not be taken into account for purposes of any budget enforcement procedures including allocations under section 302(a) and (b) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act and budget resolutions for fiscal years during which appropriations are made from the Fund,” it says under “Budgetary Implications.”
Obama should be impeached for pretending his bill won’t add to the deficit — after including stratagems to keep the costs from being counted IN the deficit.
This is a criminal outrage, absolutely equal to the worst of Cheney/Bush. If nothing else, Obama should be deposed lying to Congress.

Another “beer” article? Enough with the beer already! How about reporting on something else for a change! Like howz those 600,000 summer jobs going? Will there be any investigations into the Goldman-Sachs connections and TARP? When will health care details be forthcoming? Stuff like that.

“Where were you when your idiot leader Bush lied to you and sent thousands of troops to death over a lie?”
AS it happens, I was sitting at my desk from February of 2003 (before the invasion of Iraq) until after the election of this dud “Democratic” president, doing a pro bono news blog of suppressed news.
Where were you? I am a Democrat, you twit. An utterly outraged Democrat.

“The President then moved into a GENERAL statement about racial profiling … ”
Horse-puckey: Obama used a national “press” performance which was already high in its jive quotient to say police “acted stupidly” in briefly arresting His belligerent pal Gates — who wasn’t half so “imminent” before he sold his “black DNA” website to Time, Inc for several million dollars.
Police abuse of poor and/or politically-unconnected people of ALL colors is definitely a problem — but it’s really NOT much of a problem for publicity-seeking zillionaire “black” academics at Harvard who are pals of the White House.

Cambridge Officer Kelly King:
there was a rush to judgement
the President should have recused himself
etc.

MOBILE, Ala. — Officers who used pepper spray and a Taser to remove a man from a store bathroom found out only later he was deaf and mentally disabled and didn’t understand they wanted him to open the door, police said Tuesday.
A spokesman for the Mobile Police Department said the officers’ actions were justified because the man was armed with a potential weapon – an umbrella.
guess Gates was lucky… he used the english language

Danita, keep speaking truth to, well, not exactly power, but the nutjobs on here. Although as far as I’m concerned, the Prez did NOT make a mistake. Puh-lease. Clearly, the 911 operator asked about race, for SOME reason, and Crowley decided he had some authority that needed respecting, and he overstepped that authority. The caller was completely innocent, and just trying to be helpful, just in case.
The Gates 911 call:
911 OPERATOR: 9-1-1, what is the exact location of your emergency?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Hi, I’m actually at (inaudible) street in Cambridge, the house number is 7 Ware Street.
911 OPERATOR: OK ma’am, your cell phone cut out, what’s the address again?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Sorry, it’s 7 Ware Street. That’s W-A-R-E Street.
911 OPERATOR: The emergency is at 7 Ware Street, right?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Well no, I’m sorry. 17. Some other woman is talking next to me but it’s 17, 1-7 Ware Street.
911 OPERATOR: What’s the phone number you’re calling me from?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I’m calling you from my cell phone number.
911 OPERATOR: All right, tell me exactly what happened?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Um, I don’t know what’s happening. I just had an older woman standing here and she had noticed two gentlemen trying to get in a house at that number, 17 Ware Street. And they kind of had to barge in and they broke the screen door and they finally got in. When I had looked, I went further, closer to the house a little bit after the gentlemen were already in the house. I noticed two suitcases. So, I’m not sure if this is two individuals who actually work there, I mean, who live there.
911 OPERATOR: You think they might have been breaking in?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don’t know ’cause I have no idea. I just noticed.
911 OPERATOR: So you’re saying you think the possibility might have been there? What do you mean by barged in? You mean they kicked the door in?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they were pushing the door in. Like, umm, the screen part of the front door was kind of like cut.
911 OPERATOR: How did they open the door itself with the lock?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They, I didn’t see a key or anything ’cause I was a little bit away from the door. But I did notice that they pushed their (interrupted).
911 OPERATOR: And what do the suitcases have to do with anything?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don’t know, I’m just saying that’s what I saw.
911 OPERATOR: Do you know what apartment they broke into?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they’re just they first floor. I don’t even think that it’s an apartment. It’s 17 Ware Street. It’s a house, it’s a yellow house. Number 17. I don’t know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key but I did notice that they kind of used their shoulder to kind of barge in and they got in. I don’t know if they had a key or not because I couldn’t see from my angle. But, you know, when I looked a little closely that’s what I saw.
911 OPERATOR: (inaudible) guy or Hispanic?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm.
911 OPERATOR: Are they still in the house?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They’re still in the house, I believe, yeah.
911 OPERATOR: Were they white, black or Hispanic?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm, well there were two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic but I’m not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn’t see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance and this older woman was worried thinking someone’s breaking in someone’s house, they’ve been barging in. And she interrupted me and that’s when I had noticed otherwise I probably wouldn’t have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So, I was just calling ’cause she was a concerned neighbor, I guess.
911 OPERATOR: OK, are you standing outside?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I’m standing outside, yes.
911 OPERATOR: All right, the police are on the way, you can meet them then they get there. What’s your name?
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Yeah, my name is (deleted).
911 OPERATOR: All right, we’re on the way.
FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Ok. All right, I guess I’ll wait. Thanks.

“As far as the overall impact of this incident, time will tell.”
Aside from Obama AND Gates doing their mutual utmost to ratchet up racism among the American un-rich of all races.
THAT much has been clear since Oblabla acted stupidly against Sergeant Crowley.
(Will Obama’s NEXT act be defending Michael Jackson’s (“black”) Diprivan doc from the law-enforcement and professional consequences of acting as a celebrity drug source?)

“The caller was completely innocent, and just trying to be helpful … ”
The caller is beside the point. The person who most thoroughly dissed HER — as “some white woman” — was Gates, the guy with the white ex-wives.

no matter what the crazed right wing says..Gates was arrested, handcuffed… and then a short time later the charges were dismissed, as there was no crime except in the officers thin skinned imagination

Ryan_C . . . .
“More right wing projection from the right wing racists.”
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Agreed. They’ve judged and condemned Gates without all the facts being in; they’ve rushed to portray the police officer as an innocent victim without knowing all the facts.
This is to be expected. Facts are irrelevant to ideologues – it’s all in the agenda.

abc Moderator:
poster Ryan C. is again making ad hominem attacks, in violations of the ABC Rules of Conduct.

(Will Obama’s NEXT act be defending Michael Jackson’s (“black”) Diprivan doc from the law-enforcement and professional consequences of acting as a celebrity drug source?)
Posted by: Bet Noir
ahhhh, perfect lunacy,, actually worthy of the Michelle Bachmann ‘far away look’ nut job award
gotta love those ‘compassionate conservatives’…

In the police report, filed by Crowley, he says he spoke with Whalen outside the home before he approached Gates’ house.
“She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street,” the report says. “She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry.”
but Whalen says that conversation never happened..
so… why did Crowley lie and file a false report?

The fact that Obama and gates want this to go away is more than ample proof that they realize how stupid they’ve behaved.
Both appear to be graduates of the Jeremiah Wright School of Race relations.

dr. john .. .. you should learn what substance is . .
I’m not at all convinced at this point the President did make a mistake in saying what he did. I am withholding judgement on that till I have more of the facts.
We HAVE been told a couple of things FROM THE POLICE REPORT only.
The man was in his own home, provided ID, was upset and yelling, was invited to step outside by the policeman and was then arrested for yelling outside.
From what we’ve now been told about Mass. law, there is nothing illegal in what the man did – so his arrest for doing nothing illegal might well be considered ‘stupid’. Which is what the President called it.
We might learn more about this situation which might tip it one way or the other.
The President then moved into a GENERAL statement about racial profiling – which certainly has been an issue in the U.S. and one that the President chose to highlight. Was he right in highlighting this issue? Perhaps. It certainly has provoked a lot of talk about racial profiling and placed the issue squarely on the agenda. If that was his desire, it seems to have been effective.
As far as the overall impact of this incident, time will tell.

“If Gates had acted like any NORMAL person and been thankful that his neighbors & the Police reacted to protect his property instead of immediately jumping into race mode, All of this would have been avoided.”
–> People might want to search up Gates’ “jailhouse interview” (with his daughter). It was in salon.
How will the Washington Post be able to keep Gates on as Editor-in-Chief at its theroot site?
(Come to think of it, if “diversity” or whatever is its aim, why doesn’t the WP also run sites for Latinos, Asians, other hyphenated “Americans”?)

“the thing is that Professor Gates was under no legal obligation to act “thankful” or what you perceive as “normal.” And the officer was on duty. He did have a duty to act professionally. He acted inappropriately by overstepping his bounds and arresting someone who did nothing illegal. Doesn’t mean he needs to be crucified– we’re all human and make mistakes and mistakes were made on both sides. But one person was offended and the other was arrested. The one who was offended didn’t get his civil liberties trampled upon. the one who was arrested did, IMHO. I’d be furious in Gates shoes. Simply furious.
“I hope they just have this beer and we can all move on:)”
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Well put Alyson . . .

“but Whalen says that conversation never happened.. so … why did Crowley lie and file a false report?”
Uh, “lie”?
Whalen’s a middle-aged woman who works for … Harvard, and probably wants to KEEP working for Harvard.
Is it completely inconceivable that one’s memory could go all blooey over the prospect of losing one’s employment?

Why is it that Ryan never offers up anything of substance in support of Captain Awesome’s policies and actions? Instead he spends his time and efforts accusing others of racism and cowardice. The answer is obvious – I’ll give Ryan credit that at least he is smart enough to know The One’s policies and actions are indefensible.
There are others that aren’t as intelligent in this regard and defend The-One-We’ve-Been-Waiting-For blindly.

Having a beer is usually what you do when the job is done.
In this case, the job has not even been started. Mr. Obama should repudiate the childish and un-scholarly behavior of Prof. Gates. He should then move on to thanking Sgt Crowley for his service and apologize for previously impugning him.
Actually then there would be no need for the beer. The beer in the White House is being offered in lieu of the proper action by the President.

Crowley delivered mouth to mouth CPR to Reggie Lewis following his collapse. Assertions that he is some kind of racist are pure stupidity.
Crowley is supported by his fellow officers.
All of them.
Gates was arrested when he followed Gates outside and continued to berate him.

Hi Danita,
You quoted: “the thing is that Professor Gates was under no legal obligation to act “thankful” or what you perceive as “normal.”
How about if he was under the normal person’s expectation of acting decently?

Terry . . .
This is not supposed to be a police state . . . police should not be arresting people for things that are not illegal.
By his own statement, Crowley was dealing with an upset and yelling man, invited the man to step outside and then arrested him for yelling outside.
The man had done nothing illegal.
If you prefer a state where people are arrested for doing nothing illegal, then I am not on your side.
p.s. – all the facts are not in on this situation. You have already judged and condemned this Gates fellow without all the facts being in. Good for you . . . we could use you on a jury.

“Then again – as we’ve seen – facts matter little to ideologues with an agenda.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself…thanks for the assist.

“There is no evidence that Gates behaved in the manor that Officer Crowley claims he did.”
This is utterly ignorant.
There is a police report and there are several witnesses, including Sgt. Carlos Figeuroa, who heard Gates say “NO I WILL NOT” when asked for ID. Figueroa also reported that Gates said “You don’t know who you’re messin’ with”
You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

:There is a police report and there are several witnesses, including Sgt. Carlos Figeuroa, who heard Gates say “NO I WILL NOT” when asked for ID.”
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According to the officer’s own report, Gates provided the officer with ID!
Yes, the facts are important . .. and not just the ones you cherry pick for effect.
The man provided his ID. He was upset and yelling and the officer invited him outside and then arrested him for yelling outside.
He arrested him for something that is not illegal.

Terry, since Danita was quoting me I would say, yes I normal person would expect the Professor to have acted more cordially, BUT that doesn’t give the officer the right to arrest him, ya know? I agree with Danita on the police state analogy. At the same time, I don’t think that the arrest for charges which were dropped and created such a brouhaha mean that Crowley is a terrible officer or should be fired or that he’s racist or a jerk. People have off days– they make mistakes– and I do think officers deal with a lot of pressure and have to be cut some slack. I don’t blame him at all for being irritated or annoyed or whatever. I think he was wrong due to the arrest, but that it’s over now, and I agree with those who want to use this as a teachable moment. Problem is not everyone’s open to that.
Understatement, that.
Dr. John, there are multiple sides to every story, and I myself am loathe to take one side and agree purely with that view, whether or not there are corroborators. The 911 call and Whalen’s statement brings some of the previous “facts” into question, whether you wish to believe that or not. As I’m sure you know that happens a lot.

“There is no evidence that Gates behaved in the manor [sic] that Officer Crowley claims he did.”
Yeah, there IS: for one thing, the 9-1-1 caller’s attorney says Whalen could hear Gates — and only Gates — yelling. From the sidewalk outside.
Plus the other police who were present, of course. Gates’ driver has yet to be heard from publicly.

Gates’ driver has yet to be heard from publicly. Why?

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents Whalen, also categorically rejected part of the police report that said Whalen talked with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, at the scene.
“Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene,”
Calls to the Cambridge Police Department about the issue have not been returned.
why did Crowley lie and falsify his report?

the police dispatcher already made the assumption that there was a ‘break in’ before knowing the facts

Posted by: Ripper | Jul 28, 2009 3:00:49 PM
So it wasn’t Whalen who reported two men forcing their way into the house?

nah, if I were a real conspiracy person I’d demand a full investigation of the Iraq fiasco, Blackwater, Bush, Cheney, Yoo, the Bush ‘justice’ dept. and demand that they face the laws of America..
come to think of it … hmmm not a bad idea really

So it wasn’t Whalen who reported two men forcing their way into the house?
Posted by: drjohn
there is a lot more to her description of what she saw and reported during the 911 call than what you chose to post..
whatever is good for you.

“Why is not more likely that Whalen is lying?”
Everyone is lying but the cops.
Heard this tune before.

bottom line:
Crowley knows at some point there is no crime, and Gates is who he says he is…….. Crowley should have left as the facts were clear and any potential police business was done….. he stayed and eventually arrested Gates because he didn’t like what Gates said.
The proof is that the ‘charges’ were quickly dismissed.

Last night cops arrested a guy in my neighborhood for disturbing the peace.
I’m anxious to hear what Obama thinks.
He knows everything and knows what is best for everyone in the whole world.

Last night cops arrested a guy in my neighborhood for disturbing the peace.
I’m anxious to hear what Obama thinks.
He knows everything and knows what is best for everyone in the whole world.
Posted by: max | Jul 28, 2009 3:22:46 PM
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Was this guy breaking into his own house?

I still think Crowley should sue Gates and OBama for defamation of character. YOu cannot go around throwing racism accusations/labels whenever it suits you and assume there are not consequences for those accusations!!

“Right. Collectively, such employees are called “servants” by those who employ them.”
Really?
You call a $10 an hour babysitter your servant?
How about a taxi ride?

“try this again…Gates was not arrested for mistakenly breaking into his own home, he was arrested for standing outside yelling like an idiot and in the process disturbing the peace!”
After the officer asked him to step outside.
The whole case is a steaming pile.

You call a $10 an hour babysitter your servant?
Posted by: Ryan C
thank you Sir …..

1 more time:
bottom line:
Crowley knows at some point there is no crime, and Gates is who he says he is…….. Crowley should have left as the facts were clear and any potential police business was done….. he stayed and eventually arrested Gates because he didn’t like what Gates said.
The proof is that the ‘charges’ were quickly dismissed.

Omentum: “He knows everything and knows what is best for everyone in the whole world.”
It’s even worse. Obama thought it helpful to proffer his opinion on the matter even after admitting to being “biased” and to not “knowing all the facts.” So, even when Obama doesn’t know, he knows. That’s great!
Any honest and responsible individual, let alone the President of the United Sates, would have gathered all the facts before disrespecting a whole police department by calling them “stupid.” In his attempt to point the finger at the prejudice of others, he did nothing but expose his own. Don’t be surprised, this is completely natural for liberals — jump to conclusions and make racial accusations first, and worry about the facts later, if ever.

“If He again unburdens Himself of law-enforcement opinions, maybe He’ll mention Leonard Peltier — who’s been imprisoned for a mere 33 years so far.”
I would have guessed Mumia. He was set up!

Something like a dozen people were shot in Baltimore last night in a 3 hour period. I have yet to hear our President’s pronouncements on that. It isn’t like it is as far away as Boston, Baltimore’s the next city over.
I guess if you’re just a regular person, getting shot in a crime spree is just too bad, not worthy of being noticed by the President. But if you’re Obama’s pal that gets involved in a shouting match with the local PD, then well, that’s vital to get involved.

Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 28, 2009 4:23:13 PM
You know what happens when you assume?

They didn’t have their “drivers” with em? THAT sounds like one of the failure of “personal responsibilty” that so disproportionate affect the lower classes.
The $1 billion for the cops ought to take care of the problem! Where’s Joe Biden?

“Where’s Joe Biden?”
Hiding in the sauna with Gates’ “driver”, trying to help him get his story straight?

“It’s even worse. Obama thought it helpful to proffer his opinion on the matter even after admitting to being “biased” and to not “knowing all the facts.” So, even when Obama doesn’t know, he knows. That’s great!”
Absolutely.
We have a President who jumps to the conclusion that white men are automatically wrong and shoots his mouth off before learning the facts.

After the officer asked him to step outside. The whole case is a steaming pile. Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 28, 2009 3:40:22 PM================== The officer is dispatched to a scene where TWO men are reported to be breaking into the home, the officer sees only one. For the officer safety, and this is NORMAL PROTOCAL, you ask the person to step outside. You do not know who is in the house, what weapons there are. Good Gawd Ryan use COMMON SENSE!!! BTW….Gates was arrested well after his stepping outside and yelling false accusation at the cop. Again, the hispanic and BLACK cops back up the report!!!!!

Ryan and Danita: An officer must ALWAYS consider their SAFETY first! You do not just walk into a home alone of a possible break-in where TWO guys were reported to breaking into. it is typical protocal to ask the person to step outside. You have no clue what weapons are in the home or how many people are in the home. In this case, it was thought to be TWO people. Crowley did the right thing.
You cannot racially profile Gates here because Crowley was RESPONDING to a 9-1-1 call, therefore that BS is debunked!!
Gates, PROVEN, was outside when he was arrested therefore he was NOT arrested in his OWN home.
Gates was given multiple warnings to calm down and he kept going—that is disturbing the peace. There was a ZERO need for him to behave in the manner he was behaving unless he is mentally unstable-which I do not take off the table at this point.
You CANNOT go around labeling/accusing people of being racist when there is no basis and then expect it to go away. You cannot drag someones name through the mud and possible cost them their job or possible physical violence and expect nothing to be done.
I personally believe Crowley should sue Gates and Obama for defamation of character. There should be a presedent that states you cannot go around wildly accusing someone of being a racist and get away with it. This label can cost someone their livelyhood and/or future lively hood, the stress of the entire process itself, physical violence and stress on the family.

“You have no clue what weapons are in the home or how many people are in the home. In this case, it was thought to be TWO people.”
Where’d the “driver” go?

“Leon Lashley, a black officer who was at the scene, supports Crowley.
Kelly King, another black Cambridge police officer, says Obama has lost her support.”

–”An officer must ALWAYS consider their SAFETY first! You do not just walk into a home alone of a possible break-in where TWO guys were reported to breaking into. it is typical protocal to ask the person to step outside.”
What utter BS…–
Yeah, who cares about getting shot? Jesus, that was a dumb comment…

Actually this has little to do with the actual incident. No matter the facts there would not be an invitation to the White House based only on the incident. This is about a president, during a national news conference on live tv said “I don’t know the facts…” and then proceeded to comment on the incident. Stupid is as stupid does…

You have to wonder how many wingnuts would come to Gates’ defence had he had a gun and shot the men invading his home.
Or is that only a cause for white people?Posted by: Flash Override | Jul 28, 2009 5:41:11 PM
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If Gates had a gun and shot the people invading his home? What? I do not follow……..
If someone as invading Gates’ home and Gates’ would have shot them, good for him!!!!! He should shoot them as they have no friggin business in that mans house stealing his possessions. If I am understanding your point.

The police report states that there were several (if I recall correctly the number seven was stated) persons passing by that stopped and witnessed the confrontation. If this is true why was Lucia Whalen the only person listed as a witness on the police report? Also, why have these other witnesses not come forward since to provide their “witness” of the event?

“Also, why have these other witnesses not come forward since to provide their “witness” of the event?”
Maybe they fear that Harvard, or whoever, wouldn’t supply THEM with an attorney-mouthpiece who’s also a Boston media figure?
Maybe they think that if they cross, or even come to the attention of, Gates/Obama, they’ll be denounced, or materially damaged, or disappeared?
Just a guess.

“Gates was upset and yelling. The police officer INVITED Gates to come outside and then arrested him for yelling outside.”
So it wasn’t a home invasion?

Bunker . . ..
Read the police report. The officer had checked Gates ID and was ready to leave.

Every police officer has the duty to “stabilize” the environment before leaving. Because of Gates ranting and verbal abuse, the SGT was unable to do so.

Meanwhile, US Rep McCotter (R-MI) has introduced a bill calling on Obama to 1. retract His remarks, and 2. “apologize to Cambridge, Massachusetts Police Sergeant James M. Crowley for having unfairly impugned and prejudged his professional conduct in this local police response incident.”

WHY DID GATES AND OBAMA “ASSUME” THAT THE SGT WAS ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY? IN OTHER WORDS CAN IT BE “PROVED” THAT THE SGT WAS RACIAL PROFILING? IF SO WHAT EXACTLY DID HE DO TO WARRANT THAT CHARGE? YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ASSUMPTION? IT IS THE MOTHER OF ALL…. UPS. SURE SCORED A TD IN THIS INCIDENT!!!

OBAMA UNKNOWINGLY MADE A GOOD MOVE IN CREATING THIS SCREW-UP. DIVERSION AWAY FROM HIS DISMAL FAILURE WITH THE ECONOMY AND HIS LOSER SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PLANS. LOOKS LIKE THE SENATE IS WORKING ON A COMPROMISE PLAN THAT MAKES SOME SENSE AND…….. DOES “NOT INVOLVE” THE GOVT OPTION. YEA!!!

“Rep McCotter (R-MI) has introduced a bill . . .
So what?”
Rep. McCotter, 43, before coming to Congress in 2003 from the state senate, first actually PRACTICED law.

Gates’ got a big mouth, plain and simple..With a record of break-ins the neighborhood has had…I would have thanked the officer for the quick response and the caller for looking out for my house…. GET OVER YOURSELF….because there is now not a cop in Cambridge that will now answer a call to that house, in a timely manner anyway…

Anonymous . … it is exactly as stated . . .
The officer had checked Gates ID and was ready to leave the man’s home.
“Gates continued to yell at me. I told Gates I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside”
In other words, he invited Gates to follow him outside, which Gates did, continuing to yell . .. and he then arrested the man for yelling outside.
It is not illegal to yell in your own home, or to yell at a police officer. It may not be the smartest thing – police officers have weapons – but it is not illegal.
The police officer arrested the man for doing something that is not illegal.

“there is now not a cop in Cambridge that will now answer a call to that house, in a timely manner anyway… ”
And Gates is NEVER home. Hahaha.

Will Gates now have to get married AGAIN, in order to have somebody around to repel invaders? Or maybe he’ll downsize, to something with a doorman.

Anonymous . .. .
It is not against the law to yell at a police officer in the state of Mass. The actual law is essential in this matter, and essential to the country.
This is an example of what is not illegal.
“Defendant who did not physically resist his arrest arising out of a domestic violence incident could not be convicted of disorderly conduct based solely on his loud and angry tirade, which included profanities, directed at police officers as he was being escorted to police cruiser, even if spectators gathered to watch defendant; defendant did not make any threats or engage in violence. Com. v. Mallahan (2008) 72 Mass.App.Ct. 1103, 889 N.E.2d 77, 2008 WL 2404550.”
And the officer most certainly invited Gates outside by his invitation to further questions – outside – and once he got him outside he arrested him. Again, for something that is not illegal.

It’s getting kind of amusing: even uber-”black” Colin Powell — who COULD bring himself to uh lie to the UN on behalf of George Bush — won’t support Gates now.
The One is done.

Isn’t it funny how the people who support Crowley conveniently forget that Crowley has been busted lying in his report.
He could loose his job over this.
These are the same people who always use his report as if it where evidence of something.
It isn’t evidence of anything unless the cop lies in it.
Then it is evadance.
Crowley is in a heap of trouble.
Not from anything Gates said.
But for fabricating a police report to justify arresting Gates.
The 911 caller just busted Crowley in another lie.
The 911 dispatch tapes conflict with Crowley’s report and the recorded police radio conversations don’t help Crowley either.
The kicker for me was when I saw Gates handcuffed in front.
The charge of tumultuous behavior was the final lie.
NEVER cuff anyone in front because it is dangerous.
Imagine someone coming down on your head with both hands wrapped in metal.
That the police felt so comfortable doing that tells me Gates was in control.
It looks like Gates really did want Crowley’s badge number and name.
This tells it all.
Gates was never a threat to anyone.
So far every piece of evidence points to lieing cop supported by his cop buddies.
Worse is Crowley was the one to pull the race card, not Gates.
The tapes prove it.
Yhe 911 caller nails it.
What is most amazing is you don’t have to listen to one word that Gates said and there is enough evidence to convict Crowley of a real crime and he did it to himself.
Gates could sit back and watch the show.
Because Crowley lied, he better hope Gates doesn’t come after him in court.
He already did most of the work for Gates himself.

Gates “might have waited a while, come outside, talked to the officer, and that might have been the end of it,” said Powell, one of the nation’s most prominent African Americans.
“I think he should have reflected on whether or not this was the time to make that big a deal,” he said.
– AP

“Imagine someone coming down on your head with both hands wrapped in metal.”
Imagine the diminutive Gates being able to REACH Crowley’s head. :^|

Anonymous . . . .
The court of Mass. has already ruled on the following. Please read it so you will understand . … rulings in law are crucial, and this one is crucial to this particular situation . ..
“”Defendant who did not physically resist his arrest arising out of a domestic violence incident could not be convicted of disorderly conduct based solely on his loud and angry tirade, which included profanities, directed at police officers as he was being escorted to police cruiser, even if spectators gathered to watch defendant; defendant did not make any threats or engage in violence. Com. v. Mallahan (2008) 72 Mass.App.Ct. 1103, 889 N.E.2d 77, 2008 WL 2404550.”
Gates was not breaking the law.

Anonymous . …
The other thing that seems to elude you is that all of the facts are not in on this case.
The main source you judge this on is the police report. We already have one witness, the 911 caller, repudiating parts of the police report.
You have no way of knowing what the full facts are in this matter (nor the truth) and you have judged and condemned Gates.
That is reprehensible – people are not guilty in this county until proved guilty.

danita: “You have no way of knowing what the full facts are in this matter (nor the truth) and you have judged and condemned Gates . . . That is reprehensible – people are not guilty in this county until proved guilty. ”
Before you get too offended, by your own standard, you shouldn’t have an opinion of this either. The knife cuts both ways. With the information we do have, which has been corroborated by several witnesses of varying races, Gates broke the law.

Parallex View: “And charges were dropped as they should have been per law . . .”
Dropped charges aren’t proof of innocence. I’m not saying he’s been proven guilty, but he hasn’t been proven innocent either. In fact, reasonable people can see that he in fact was not innocent of disorderly conduct as specified by law.

“Before you get too offended, by your own standard, you shouldn’t have an opinion of this either.”
___________________________________
Sorry, you’re wrong again – in this country people are innocent until proved guilty – THAT IS NOT AN OPINION, THAT IS THE RULE OF LAW.
It is you who is judging and condemning a man without knowing all the facts.
I will state it again for you .. .
“You have no way of knowing what the full facts are in this matter (nor the truth) and you have judged and condemned Gates . . . That is reprehensible – people are not guilty in this county until proved guilty. “

“in this country people are innocent until proved guilty – THAT IS NOT AN OPINION, THAT IS THE RULE OF LAW.”
Except for anybody some volunteer fireman or whoever may finger as a “terrorist”, of course.

One thing we do know Anonymous is that in REPATED legal judgements in Mass, it has been found that yelling at a police officer does not constitute ‘disorderly behavior’.
From another ruling . . .
“Defendant’s conduct, namely, flailing his arms and shouting at police, victim of recent assault, or both, after being told to leave area by police, did not amount to “violent or tumultuous behavior” within scope of disorderly conduct statute, absent any claim that defendant’s protestations constituted threat of violence, or any evidence that defendant’s flailing arms were anything but physical manifestation of his agitation or that noise and commotion caused by defendant’s behavior was extreme. Com. v. Lopiano (2004) 805 N.E.2d 522, 60 Mass.App.Ct. 723.”

Again, danita, we aren’t going to try the case here and no two situations are the same. Here’s the actual law:
“. . . lascivious persons in speech or behavior, idle and disorderly persons, disturbers of the peace, keepers of noisy and disorderly houses, and persons guilty of indecent exposure may be punished by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction”
And, here’s what’s considered disorderly:
“A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
(a) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or
(b) makes unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresses abusive language to any person present; or
(c) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.”
Crowley stated Gates was displaying “tumultuous behavior” to the gathered crowd and other responding police officers. Gates broke the law, was warned twice, and then got arrested. He got everything he deserved!

Anonymous . ..
You don’t seem to understand the importance of legal judgements and precedents . .. yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.

danita: “You don’t seem to understand the importance of legal judgements and precedents . .. yelling at a police officer is not illegal in Mass.”
I understand just fine. I understand no two situations are the same. And, that Gates was arrested for the real crime of disorderly conduct, not yelling at a police officer.

And, I have no respect for someone who ignores the corroborated facts, who criticizes others for having an opinion while they continue to hypocritically have theirs, and lastly but most importantly, those that defend racists.

“…not formal meeting”
Of course not. The working class cop will cool his heals at the picnic table outside while the academics chat in the oval-office. After about 30 min to 1 hr, they will stroll outside and make a show of sipping beer with the cop. Then they will leave and the White House public affairs office, aided by the MSM will put out the word that the good Sgt regrets acting stupidly and will try to do better in the future. Praise be to Mr. Obama – the peace maker.

Yikes: the Wall Street Journal has broken some of the story about Gates’ Inkwell non-profit’s tax and grant troubles.
By Thursday, that beer may be a little flat.

Gates – Inkwell – oh oh.

I think people are missing the larger point…
You can be arrested for saying something rude to a cop.
It doesn’t matter if you are in your own home. It doesn’t matter if you haven’t broken the law. It doesn’t matter if you are cooperating in every other way.
It’s too bad that conservatives, in their rush to attack Obama, have failed to question what once used to be a pillar of conservative thought: the right to think and speak freely in your own home.

well there you go, a simple family misunderstanding ;-p
from ABC:
‘Henry Louis Gates Jr., the black professor at the center of the racial story involving his arrest outside his Harvard University-owned house, has spoken proudly of his Irish roots. Strangely enough, he and the Cambridge, Mass., police officer who arrested him, Sgt. James Crowley, both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages. ‘

Anonymous . ..
The law in the United States is determined by decisions made within the legal system; with various appeal mechanisms, procedures and courts.
It is not determined by whatever you might happen to think it means.
You get that don’t you?

Gates makes you puke.

This story isn’t about beer.
It’s about cops arresting a man for nothing and then lying in the police report to cover that up.
The 911 caller, after reading the police report, hired a lawyer who issued a statement to the effect that Crowley is lying!!!
Where is the reporting on this?
This is big stuff!
If ABC won’t report on it, we must.
No wonder the internet is kicking network butt.
You stopped doing your job.
Instead the stories are “Is There an Issue the President Won’t Weigh in On?”
and “Powell: Gates Should Have ‘Reflected’”.
Report the news!

Guidelines allow cops to put handcuffs on a man screaming like a maniac at them whether the man is of middle age and uses a cane or not.

anon | Jul 29, 2009 10:31:41 AM—not when he’s on his own property. read the federal civil code. why do you think the charges were dropped? a conspiracy?

KMDay | Jul 29, 2009 11:16:03 AM—”Crowley should in fact sue Gates and Obama for defamation of character.” Sgt. Crowley is lucky he has a job. and he himself could face a civil rights investigations and possible criminal charges. not to mention false arrest and reporting falsehoods on a police report. all Crowley had to do was man up and walk away like any big city police officer would.

Eminent domain. The power of the state to take private property for public use. You can challenge the amount of compensation you received in court but not the state’s right to take over your property.
Likewise, the police have a right to come to your house to investigate a suspected burglary in progress reported by a passing citizen or a neighbor. You have an obligation to cooperate with the police.
Belligerent and abusive behavior can result in your arrest in your own home.
You can challenge the charges against you in a court of law. But it does not take away the right of the police to investigate a 911 call about a burglary in progress – freely and without obstruction.
Do not impede the investigation or you will be going to the station in handcuffs.

Google “Robbie Tolan” and come back here with your “all cops are great” posts.

Crowley lied in his report.
Think about it.
Crowley lied in his report.
He made up the whole story.
Wow.
That’s incredible!
A cop lied to make his actions justifiable.
This is worth talking about.
Are his bosses protecting him?
They are!?!
Wow, think about that.
This story is growing legs!
I wonder how deep it gets.
Maybe all the way to the mayor of Cambridge.
Does he support this lair?
OH NOOOooooo.
He does!
Certainly not the chief of police.
OH NO, him too.
Did the Governor chime in for the cops?
No, can’t be.
The Governor.
This story gets better and better.
Did the President of the United States support Crowley.
No……., he didn’t.
Someone has integrity here.
Hey get back here.
The story just sprouted legs and is running away.
I guess it’s time to throw Crowley under the bus.

Obama was against the war in Iraq on day one. Obama said Crawley acted stupidly on day one. Good judgement on day one! That is why HE’s the President and not the twits that make up false police reports like officer Crowley.
Thank God for the tapes and Whalen’s press conference. Thank God for people like Gates who stand up for their rights and those of others.

The two men who broke down the door -Gates and the limo driver – are both as black as midnight. So why are all Africans complaining about the police report mentioning the perps as black considering that the summary was written after incident and the two men involved were in fact black? The police report gives a correct description of the men.

Crowley wants to make you puke. falsifying his report to sound like he had just caused. Lie about taking to the 911 caller. he should be fired.