By Lindsey Ellerson

Jul 28, 2009 5:06pm

When Academic Words Become Political Ammunition

As head of the Department of Bioethics at The Clinical Center of the National Institutes of Health, and someone who has devoted his life to bioethics issues, Ezekiel J. Emanuel has spent much of his career discussing and writing about some of the most ethically complicated issues about health care reform. 

In 1996, for example, Emanuel contributed an article to the Hastings Center Report, in which he discussed “the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed.” 

Emanuel said that under the “civic republican or deliberative democratic” construct, “services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."  

In the hands of academics and those with the time and inclination to see such writings as exercises in philosophy, Emanuel’s writings might be par for the course. 

But Emanuel is the older brother of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, and he now serves as health-policy adviser at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget and as a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

As such, opponents of President Obama’s health care reform efforts have seized upon the remarks. The passage above, for instance, in an op-ed in the New York Post titled “Deadly Doctors by the former Lt. Gov. of New York, Betsy McCaughey, becomes translated as: “Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.” 

Emanuel, McCaughey writes, should never be entrusted with the power to decided “what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.”

“As a world renowned bioethicist,” says a White House official, “Zeke Emanuel has written scores of articles about many different issues many of which are some of the toughest issues that our society faces.” The official says Emanuel’s words from academic discussions of theoretical constructs are now being unfairly taken as his beliefs and applied to the current health care debate.

The official says that Emanuel in that article was clearly advocating against what McCaughey says he’s supporting. 

“After a long review of the pluses and minuses of using various schools of philosophical thought to being able to lead a theory of how to allocate health care, he describes the pluses and minuses of the civic republican/deliberative democracy school of thought,” says the official.  

The sentence that follows in Emanuel’s article, the official notes, is: “Clearly, more needs to be done to elucidate what specific services are basic; however, the overlap between liberalism and communitarianism points to a way of introducing the good back into medical ethics and devising a principled way of distinguishing basic from discretionary health care services.” 

“By the sentence that follows the one McCaughey quoted,” the official says, “it’s obvious that Zeke sees this as a fault in this approach that needs to be addressed in further discussion.”

Those to whom this happens often find themselves arguing that their quotes are not only being twisted and taken out of context, but they are being portrayed as believing the very opposite of what they were stating. Anyone who enters public life is subject to sentences being taken out of context. But for academics it may be an even more dangerous situation.

And of course it is not new: the most notable example may be Lani Guinier, President Clinton’s nominee to be Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, faced tough questions from Senate Republicans in 1993 about her academic views on proportional representation.  Guinier maintains that the media portrayal of her writings were blatantly inaccurate and caricatures; she opposes electoral quotas and yet was portrayed as their most ardent “madwoman” supporter, in the word of the Philadelphia Inquirer’s editorial page editor. As the Washington Post wrote at the time, her time in “the ivory tower” of academia where “your job is simply to think…to think and write challenging things that press, probe, provoke, at the edge of understanding” clearly hurt her.

 For the prolific Emanuel — the author of nine books, 11 book chapters, and more than 200 magazine articles – the process is frustrating. He wrote a chapter in Harrison’s Textbook—the main medical textbook—on improving end of life care; edited the of end of life care section of UpToDate the main electronic medical textbook; and posited in “The Promise of a Good Death” in Lancet Oncology how doctors need to treat the whole patient and not just symptoms. Medical experts say he’s not known for being cold towards the needs of the dying; quite the opposite.

And yet, McCaughey writes that Emanuel “explicitly defends discrimination against older patients,” and cites as evidence a quote from a January 2009 Lancet article Emanuel co-authored with two others that states that “Unlike allocation by sex or race allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.”  

The White House says McCaughey is again twisting Emanuel’s words.  

“The article is not about medical policy but about what constitutes discrimination,” a White House official says. “It’s a highly theoretical piece.”

That’s true. Emanuel and his co-author state that: “Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.” They are debating whether such different treatment is inherently prejudicial. 

But the truth of the matter is that Emanuel, as a bioethicist, has taken positions with which some would disagree. In that Lancet article, addressing the issue of medical interventions where there is a limited supply of treatment compared to the population – organs and vaccines, for example – the authors evaluated eight specific allocation principles they classify into four categories, and three existing systems including, for example, the United Network for Organ Sharing points systems.  

And they do in turn “recommend an alternative system—the complete lives system—which prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life, and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.”  

But Emanuel also wrote he believes in “modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life. As the legal philosopher Ronald Working argues, ‘It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies and worse still when an adolescent does’; this argument is supported by empirical surveys. Importantly, the prioritisation of adolescents and young adults considers the social and personal investment that people are morally entitled to have received at a particular age, rather than accepting the results of an unjust status quo. Consequently, poor adolescents should be treated the same as wealthy ones, even though they may have received less investment owing to social injustice.”

Emanuel is not in charge of making decisions for the nation’s health care providers. His theoretical argument that a 13-year-old should receive a heart transplant before a three-month old will not become law.  But it also may be uncomfortable to read such words.

A problem in translating some of these discourses into the realm of the political is they are often written in the cold, sterile language of the Ivory Tower.

Such a situation played out earlier this year, when John Holdren, director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, faced questions from conservatives about some of his earlier writings, mostly about ECOSCIENCE, a 1977 college textbook Holdren co-authored with Paul and Anne Ehrlich. 

“The trio prescribed a rigidly enforced, government-imposed limit of two children per family,” wrote the conservative FrontPageMag.  “Holdren and the Ehrlichs maintained ‘there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated.’” 

“Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions,” headlined a story on FoxNews.com.  

Says a White House official: “The quotations used to suggest that Dr. Holdren supports coercive approaches to limiting population growth were taken from a 1977 college textbook on environmental science and policy, of which he was the third author. The quoted material was from a section of the book that described different possible approaches to limiting population growth and then concluded that the authors’ own preference was to employ the noncoercive approaches before the environmental and social impacts of overpopulation led desperate societies to employ coercive ones. Dr. Holdren has never been an advocate of compulsory abortions or other repressive means of population limitation.”

The White House official goes on to say that “Dr. Holdren and his co-authors make clear in the book that the section dealing with overpopulation is a compendium of others’ views, which are meticulously footnoted. Indeed, Dr. Holdren makes clear in the book that he personally rejects coercive approaches to population control.”

Unquestionably, ECOSCIENCE included academic analysis of various methods of population control. And certainly the clinical, dispassionate way subjects such as forced sterilizations are addressed is written more as an academic discourse than as a politician’s or policymaker’s proposal. As when the authors wrote: “Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would post some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems.”

Holdren’s opponents seized upon the following paragraph from the book: “To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws constitutionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however.”

However chilly such passages might seem to most of us, the authors do note that their personal recommendation “is to expand the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences, while redoubling efforts to ensure that the means of birth control” are available. 

Regarding forced sterilizations, the authors note that “(n)o such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development…And the risk of serious, unforeseen side effects would, in our opinion, mitigate against the use of any such agent…” In a different passage, the authors referenced “the obvious moral objections” to the government requiring women to implant contraceptive capsules. 

During his Senate Commerce Committee confirmation hearings, Holdren was asked by Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana, if he thinks “determining optimal population is a proper role of government.”

“No, Senator, I do not,” Holdren said. “I think the proper role of government is to develop and deploy the policies with respect to economy, environment, security, that will ensure the well being of the citizens we have.”

Asked Vitter, “in 1973, you encouraged ‘a decline in fertility to well below replacement’ in the United States because ‘280 million in 2040 is likely to be too many.’ What would your number for the right population in the US be today?"

Holdren said, “I no longer think it's productive, Senator, to focus on the optimum population for the United States. I don't think any of us know what the right answer is. When I wrote those lines in 1973, I was preoccupied with the fact that many problems the United States faced appeared to be being made more difficult by the rate of population growth that then prevailed. I think everyone who studies these matters understands that population growth brings some benefits and some liabilities. It's a tough question to determine which will prevail in a given time period. But I think the key thing today is that we need to work to improve the conditions all of our citizens face economically, environmentally, and in other respects.”

Vitter voted to confirm Holdren, as did every member of the Commerce Committee.

-jpt

 

User Comments

Excellent analysis of a very complicated issue. It is impossible to reduce medical ethics to a formula, but some will no doubt try. Good work, highly recommended read.

Posted by: Joyomama | July 28, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

While reading this, I am thinking of those poor families in China who lost their only child in the earthquake of a while back. Sad that a country felt compelled to make that kind of mandate, sad that most were killed in collpasing buildings due to corruption and shoddy construction, and sad that so much pain resulted from it.

Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 28, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Good read – research and context brought to bear on current events, not just quotes from two talking heads. This is actual reporting and shouldn’t be relegated to just a blog.

Posted by: jhw539 | July 28, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Traffic Cop Timmy:”While reading this, I am thinking of those poor families in China who lost their only child in the earthquake of a while back. ”
? That was a bit of a non sequitur. Did you actually read the article?

Posted by: jhw539 | July 28, 2009, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

“Betsy McCaughey,”
How does this idiot shill still have a job in journalism?
She was the one who claimed the stimulus had created an Orwellian doctors council when that council had formed several years earlier and she misquoted portions of Tom Daschle’s book also claiming that was part of the stimulus when it was not.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 28, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Ezekiel said that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously.
This guy’s brother tells Obama what to think.

Posted by: drjohn | July 28, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Oh, Gawd! The lengths the corporate press will go to to avoid writing about the ACTUAL health care bills.

Posted by: Flash Override | July 28, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Good read. Makes me wonder if we have a bunch of mad scientist giving advice or just super intelligent men. However if anyone has seen a human being, an animal that is severly injured or sick there is an overwhelming percentage that want to live…they fight to live, they fight to keep breathing, they use ever ounce of their being to keep living. Maybe our DNA is programmed for survival. I don’t know that it is my right or anyone elses to decide who lives or dies, who gets treatment and who does not.

Posted by: david | July 28, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

jpt quotes John Holdren, director of the White House’s Office of Science and Technology Policy:
“When I wrote those lines in 1973, I was preoccupied with the fact that many problems the United States faced appeared to be being made more difficult by the rate of population growth that then prevailed.”
This is baloney: that rate had fallen over the preceding three years, and was nearly the same in 1973 (14.9) as it is today.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Holdren is also about putting sterilants in the public water supply as policy.

Posted by: drjohn | July 28, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

“This is baloney: that rate had fallen over the preceding three years, and was nearly the same in 1973 (14.9) as it is today.”
CIA Fact Book (2008) has our population growth currently at 0.88.
Did you mean birth rate?

Posted by: Ryan C | July 28, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

“Holdren is also about putting sterilants in the public water supply as policy.”
All the right wing has are fear and lies.
Because they certainly have no ideas.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 28, 2009, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Consider, Ryan:
Ted Kennedy would already be dead under Obamacare.

Posted by: drjohn | July 28, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Fabulous piece, Jake, the theme of which would make for a fascinating book. It is so alarming to me whenever I see political operatives, and most especially the various Right-wing Radio demagogues, skew and twist academic works to such an extent that it promotes the stupidification of voting blocks. And we wonder why Palin was given even the time of day.

Posted by: Ewen | July 28, 2009, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

“Consider, Ryan:
Ted Kennedy would already be dead under Obamacare.
Posted by: drjohn | Jul 28, 2009 6:20:36 PM”
Fear and lies dr john.
That’s all the right wing has.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 28, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

It is a fabulous piece.
President Obama could do a much better job of shedding light on what his vision *is*. If he did that, it would be much harder for others to step in and paint the picture for him.
He has indicated there are tough decisions to be made when it comes to cost and medical care. He said we will have to give up things that don’t make us well, he has talked about the wisdom of pacemakers for old women and hip replacements for the terminally ill.
Yet while he hints at difficult choices, he does not have the political courage to go further. People are rationally afraid he will want to go *too* far.

Posted by: MayBee | July 28, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

“CIA Fact Book (2008) has our population growth currently at 0.88.
Did you mean birth rate?”
Yup. That’s the one that has to do with “health care”. Population growth doesn’t include, for example, unpapered immigration.
The real vision of the corporate masters behind the “Obama” organization is a return to the plantation system in the US — with Latinos as the serving class, and vast numbers of un-rich indigenous “whites” and “blacks” er abated.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

First, interesting post, Jake. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Next, this–
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“Consider, Ryan:
Ted Kennedy would already be dead under Obamacare.
Posted by: drjohn | Jul 28, 2009 6:20:36 PM”
Fear and lies dr john.
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Yes, fears and lies, and false provocative bravado, but underlying that there could lie an honest (cough, cough) misunderstanding that our health care system is “good” or “the best” and health care reform in a direction more like other advanced countries would make it worse. It wouldn’t. Nobody’s better than Ezra Klein on health care reporting (some are as good but nobody’s better). From a recent chat online–
Ezra Klein: No. We don’t have the best health care in the world. Not on any broad measure or metric. We don’t have the most cost effective health care in the world. We don’t have the best outcomes in the world. We can’t even manage to give everyone access to health care.
That said, there are certain diseases, like breast cancer, that we are uniquely good at treating. But then we lag on diseases like diabetes. It’s a mixed bag. And it’s a mixed bag that we are spending twice as much as most other countries on. So it’s important to say this clearly: We have a very, even uniquely, bad health-care system. Not for every individual. But in the aggregate. As a country, we spend far too much and get much too little.
If people are interested in the evidence on this score, T.R. Reid’s new book, The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care, is an extremely good, and extremely readable, explanation of how our system compares to those of other countries.

Posted by: Alyson | July 28, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

It’s not a lie, Ryan. Ted Kennedy would have been deemed too old for experimental and costly treatment for terminal brain cancer. You say the right has nothing but fears and lies, yet you employ no logic or facts to refute the claim. Read the bill – Ted would be dead.

Posted by: ConservativeWoman | July 28, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

“Ted Kennedy would already be dead under Obamacare.”
If Ted Kennedy Jr. and Patrick Kennedy had been shunted off to some pill-happy “community health center” for “care”, they’d be dead too.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

“However if anyone has seen a human being, an animal that is severly injured or sick there is an overwhelming percentage that want to live…they fight to live, they fight to keep breathing, they use ever ounce of their being to keep living. Maybe our DNA is programmed for survival. I don’t know that it is my right or anyone elses to decide who lives or dies, who gets treatment and who does not.”
It’s definitely beyond Obama’s pay grade.

Posted by: Snob | July 28, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Conservative woman,
Are you claiming you’ve read the bill and you can back that up? If so, I’d like to see the language and a little context if you wouldn’t mind sharing. Thanks:)

Posted by: Alyson | July 28, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

“It’s not a lie, Ryan. Ted Kennedy would have been deemed too old for experimental and costly treatment for terminal brain cancer.”
Chemotherapy and surgery are experimental treatments for brain cancer?
dr maybe you should go back to school.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 28, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Where the neo-eugenics operators go wrong is in the assumption that every half-bright American spends the prime of his/her life striving for entree into the Ivy League as a way into the US’s wicked and culturally-constipated ruling class.
Look at Jonas Salk: went to NYU.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Remember when Obama said “We are 5 days away from fundamentaly changing America”? He wasn’t lying. (for once) I’m no expert but I kind of liked her the way she was.

Posted by: notanobamafan | July 28, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

“We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming America” Obama Oct. 31,2008. Man, he wasn’t lying (for once) I kind of like America the way she is now, you know “land of the free and home of the brave”

Posted by: notanobamafan | July 28, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

ConservativeWoman:”It’s not a lie, Ryan. Ted Kennedy would have been deemed too old for experimental and costly treatment for terminal brain cancer. You say the right has nothing but fears and lies, yet you employ no logic or facts to refute the claim. Read the bill – Ted would be dead.”
Please cite the portion of the bill that would stop the wealthy Kennedy from getting the exact same treatment that he gets now. Do you think the other first world nations with national healthcare have longer life expectancies because they don’t treat their people?
Beyond that lie, health care coverage only matters for the people who don’t have net worths north of $40 million. The rich will purchase supplemental health insurance, or just pay for it out of pocket under the proposed system (just like in all the other first world nations, even Canada since their 2005 Supreme Court ruling OK’ing full private supplemental insurance).

Posted by: jhw539 | July 28, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Hey! Great Newspeak! “Life-years”!
It’s going to be the new buzzword for supporters, I can tell. After all, an expert on “good death” coined it.

Posted by: Eyes Open | July 28, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Conservative Woman has been remarkably silent on providing language from the bill. I’m waiting, too:)

Posted by: Alyson | July 28, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

“The rich will purchase supplemental health insurance, or just pay for it out of pocket under the proposed system … ”
Or, as rich people wanting medical abortion used to do, go to some other country whose “health care” system hasn’t been reduced to a shambles by corporate miscreants.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Traffic Cop Timmy:”While reading this, I am thinking of those poor families in China who lost their only child in the earthquake of a while back. ”
? That was a bit of a non sequitur. Did you actually read the article?
Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 28, 2009 5:33:20 PM
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Thought control now jhw?
I’m not surprised.
Or do you just get off attacking people?

Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | July 28, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Whatta notta surprise: middle-aged effete p-ants don’t remember being helpless babies, and don’t imagine they’ll ever be helpless again, old and/or infirm.
Unsurprisingly, these perpetually-adolescent males apparently over-value adolescence.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

I’m not sure I understand. What is the difference if the idea is expressed by Obama’s mentor Rev.Wright in a guttural sermonizing manner or in an “ivory tower” textbook. It is the ideas of racism, eugenics, and centralized planning that is scary! Whether it is Wright sermonizing that “blacks have different brains than whites” or Emanuel saying that certain people have more value/worth than others! What is scary is that these elite government officials not only WANT to control all facets of life but think that they are ENTITLED to make these decisions for everyone.

Posted by: Ed | July 28, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Ed:”I’m not sure I understand. What is the difference if the idea is expressed by Obama’s mentor Rev.Wright in a guttural sermonizing manner or in an “ivory tower” textbook. ”
Because very different ideas are being expressed, as was discussed in the article. I had a text book that discussed Marx in the same depth as Adam Smith – what idea was it “expressing” exactly? The issues of medical ethics are complex, and the apparent Republican ideal – the richest get the best care possible to treat their tennis elbow while the poor may die for want of a $10 bottle of pills- certainly does not meet most accepted ethical standards (the Bible being what I consider the most accepted ethical standard).

Posted by: jhw539 | July 28, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

“It is the ideas of racism, eugenics, and centralized planning that is scary!”
Yes it IS. Shunting the un-rich and the elderly into “community health centers” controlled by government-funded non-profits is but one way for this self-regarding bunch of salary-scammers and do-nothings to speed the day when there are no contentious poor people to disturb their alco-reveries, and everybody lives on the golf course.

Posted by: Bet Noir | July 28, 2009, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

Betsy McCaughey is such a tool. For at least the second time,she has been caught making a doozy of a false claim about pending legislation and then backtracking by claiming that she was describing the effect, if not the literal language of the bill. It’s all over Politico, Politifact, and Media Matters at the moment. In February, McCaughey claimed that the economic recovery act would permit the government to dictate treatment but after being confronted about the falsehood, reportedly said the legislation was vague enough to allow it to happen in the future. More recently, after saying that the House health care reform bill would “absolutely require” end-of-life counseling, according to a July 28 Politico article, when asked about criticism of that claim, McCaughey stated that “[i]n so many words” the bill would make end-of-life counseling mandatory because “although it is presented in the bill as a Medicare service, when a doctor or a nurse approaches an elderly person who is in poor health, facing a decline in health, and raises these issues, it is not offering a service. It is pressuring them.”
This is not the first time McCaughey has been caught in a falsehood about health care reform and reacted by claiming she was right about the effect, if not the literal wording, of the legislation. After McCaughey repeatedly claimed that provisions in the economic recovery act would permit the government to dictate treatment, she was confronted by CNN health care reporter Elizabeth Cohen, who reported: “I had a PDF of the bill up on my computer. I said, ‘Show me where in the bill it says that this bill is going to have the government telling your doctor what to do.’ And [McCaughey] directed me to language — it didn’t actually say that. But she said that it was vague enough that it would allow for that to happen in the future.”

Posted by: Alyson | July 28, 2009, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

while Obama’s mentor might express his racial views in a more dramatic manner, many of the Obama’s elite friends in academia express similiar sentiments, albeit against poor people, the so-called 3rd world, the rubes, or against democracy itself. These people who think they are entitled to rule over us peons because “we don’t know what’s good for us” and because, in their twisted view, humanity/earth is threatened by us. So we get neo-Mathusian views resulting in these policies intented to limit the poor and secure exalted positions of comfort for the elite. It is ok for them to fly out to Davos for a meeting on the “warming” or other issue but not for a poor farmer to drive his pickup or a mom to drive an SUV. They can ride around to junkets in stretch limos but we must use public transport lest we expand our “carbon footprint”. Nothing in Obama’s policies is new. Read “The Limits to Growth” circa 1972. The elites have always desired to control population- interesting they tend to want to control the middleclass because we are the “biggest threat”. This is why illegal immigration is not stopped because that can be used to help destroy the middleclasses in Europe/USA and grant total control to only the rich because the poor immigrants are too busy trying to survive to question their rules, ideas, programs, and policies.

Posted by: Ed | July 28, 2009, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

Bet Noir . . .
“to speed the day when there are no contentious poor people to disturb their alco-reveries, and everybody lives on the golf course.”
______________________________________
How evil!

Posted by: danita | July 29, 2009, 2:06 am 2:06 am

“Obama’s elite friends in academia express similiar sentiments, albeit against poor people, the so-called 3rd world, the rubes, or against democracy itself.”
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I knew it, They’re all evil! Evil – plain and simple. Those evil Democrats, electing that evil Obama. Demons basically.

Posted by: danita | July 29, 2009, 2:11 am 2:11 am

from the article…”Emanuel’s words from academic discussions of theoretical constructs are now being unfairly taken as his beliefs and applied to the current health care debate.”..the problem is sometimes academics move past the confines of theoretical discussion and are placed in a position to guide, direct and even write public policy. As such, what they posit as theory, should be carefully examined because given their new role, it just might become reality.

Posted by: J Wilson | July 29, 2009, 3:01 am 3:01 am

What strikes me as odd is the apparent attempt by ABC to mediate for this Administration.
I can’t remember any such explanatory article when Attorney General Ashcroft was under attack for his religious views.
Academic mind experiments that do not draw a line between what is acceptable and what is condemned by the authors understandably will be interpreted by others as at best, neutral, at worst, in support of condemnable acts.

Posted by: bnuckols | July 29, 2009, 5:31 am 5:31 am

If this administration finds the words of their friends and associates objectionable then perhaps they should take a closer look at their friends. Rev. Wright, Ayers, etc. are all indicative of Obama’s friends. How can anyone trust this man’s judgment. All Obama and his friends know how to do is throw taxpayer dollars for their social experiements. Why don’t the use their own money.

Posted by: Judy | July 29, 2009, 7:07 am 7:07 am

from the article…”Emanuel’s words from academic discussions of theoretical constructs are now being unfairly taken as his beliefs and applied to the current health care debate.”..the problem is sometimes academics move past the confines of theoretical discussion and are placed in a position to guide, direct and even write public policy. As such, what they posit as theory, should be carefully examined because given their new role, it just might become reality.Posted by: J Wilson | Jul 29, 2009 3:01:10 AM====================================
Excellent observation and point made!!!!

Posted by: KMDay | July 29, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Chemotherapy and surgery are experimental treatments for brain cancer?
dr maybe you should go back to school.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 28, 2009 7:02:34 PM==============================Ryan Ryan Ryan Ryan…..I believe the point the person was making is that under the new Government Run Health Care plan as it stands now…..Ted Kennedy is TOO FRIGGIN OLD to spend ALL OF THAT MONEY on brain cancer treatments that ARE NOT GOING TO WORK.
Wait……Ted Kennedy is a member of Congress therefore he does not have to subscribe to the Government Run Health Care now does he????

Posted by: KMDay | July 29, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Because very different ideas are being expressed, as was discussed in the article. I had a text book that discussed Marx in the same depth as Adam Smith – what idea was it “expressing” exactly? The issues of medical ethics are complex, and the apparent Republican ideal – the richest get the best care possible to treat their tennis elbow while the poor may die for want of a $10 bottle of pills- certainly does not meet most accepted ethical standards (the Bible being what I consider the most accepted ethical standard). Posted by: jhw539 | Jul 28, 2009 9:12:54 PM
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JHW….then you help that small percentage that cannot help themselves. You certainly do not get up in front of the nation and lie that 47 million people do not have health care coverage because they cannot afford it.
That is a bold face lie and you know it.
Approx. 20+ million CHOOSE not to have health care coverage. Key word being “CHOOSE”. Therefore, that automatically takes us down to 27 million “uninsured”.
Take away the APPROX. 12 million of ILLEGAL ALIENS and we now have 15 million uninsured.
I will just leave it at 15 million people uninsured. Now, is this number worth completing gutting our health care system???
NO!!!!
80% of Americans are happy with their health care as it is now! That is an overwhelming majority and typically the overwhelming majority wins!
We in fact have the best health care in the world, we just suck when it comes to paying for it.
Therefore, we do not need a government run health care system, we need a REFORMED Health Care System where insurance companies have RULES and GUIDELINES as to how NOT TO SC#W Americans over.

Posted by: KMDay | July 29, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

“Ryan Ryan Ryan Ryan…..I believe the point the person was making is that under the new Government Run Health Care plan as it stands now…..Ted Kennedy is TOO FRIGGIN OLD to spend ALL OF THAT MONEY on brain cancer treatments that ARE NOT GOING TO WORK.”
I think drjohn got exposed that he’s not really a doctor but likes to play one on the blogs.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 29, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

KMDay . ..
I’ve done further research and all your numbers are wrong . .. there are really only 3 citizens in the United States without health care coverage.
Enjoy your phony figures.

Posted by: danita | July 29, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Oh wait . .. 3 more people lost their jobs (and their health care) last week, so that makes it 6 citizens in the United States without health care coverage.

Posted by: danita | July 29, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Did you know that Ezekiel Emanuel is Rahm’s brother?

Posted by: amy lyding | July 29, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

if you go to the bill – and actually read the text – and also take the trouble of reading the bill the Medicare provisions the text amends – it is clear that all this provision does – is expand available coverage under Medicare.
Just like if you want to have a Colonoscopy, you can get a Colonoscopy – but only every 5 years – but if you don’t want it – nobody is going to come and shove something up your butt – you can – if you choose – get counseling. For instance, if you happen to get Alzheimers – who would you like to have making deisions about health care for you when you are no longer capable? Your children? Your ex-wife? Your best friend?
This was an amendment introduced by a pro-life Republican. To suggest it is somehow a “death panel” is to be so out of touch with reality as to call into question your own capability of to handling your affairs or using power tools without adult supervision.

Posted by: nh bob | August 7, 2009, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

if you go to the bill – and actually read the text – and also take the trouble of reading the bill the Medicare provisions the text amends – it is clear that all this provision does – is expand available coverage under Medicare.
Just like if you want to have a Colonoscopy, you can get a Colonoscopy – but only every 5 years – but if you don’t want it – nobody is going to come and shove something up your butt – you can – if you choose – get counseling. For instance, if you happen to get Alzheimers – who would you like to have making deisions about health care for you when you are no longer capable? Your children? Your ex-wife? Your best friend?
This was an amendment introduced by a pro-life Republican. To suggest it is somehow a “death panel” is to be so out of touch with reality as to call into question your own capability of to handling your affairs or using power tools without adult supervision.

Posted by: nh bob | August 7, 2009, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

I have been looking for the full text of the Hastings Center Report for over a week now. I did the research on all of Betsy McCaughey’s other claims and found them false, so I wanted to see how Emanuel’s words were taken out of context. Thank you for tracking them down (as well as the other texts).
Obviously these are difficult philosophical and ethical discussions, but to purposefully twist their words to make them seem like barbarians and butchers is just unconscionable. I’m astounded that so many media outlets continue to give McCaughey a platform from which to spread her lies.

Posted by: Jaime R | August 8, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

This article presumes that Ezekiel Emmanuel would not practice what he believes in theory if given the chance. Why?

Posted by: Ken | August 8, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

What a well written and researched piece of reporting this is. Its so refreshing given the crap that poses as insightful analysis on Fox and other networks. You read it, and actualy learn something… compared to the political talking points most news groups are spitting back to the public that neither enlighten nor inform debate
Good work…

Posted by: Theman | August 9, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

If you read what Zeke Emanual, Obama’s heath adviser has written and what John P. Holdren, Obama’s Science Adviser has written you can’t help but see that the President has surrounded himself with Socialists (i.e. communists) that must share the same beliefs. We are headed toward socialization. The President can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.

Posted by: dave | August 10, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

Academic work, as a general principle, is never meant to have any practical effect. You see, bright people enjoy working on impractical solutions for theoretical problems. That way, nobody ever does any real work.
So what if Mr. Emmanuel and his coauthors reviewed existing allocation methods for scarce medical interventions, constructed their own “more just” method, and then suggested assigning actual point values to individuals based on age.
Mr. Emmanuel’s article was clearly just an academic exercise. After all, why would Mr. Emmanuel want to change current allocation methods that he perceives to be “less just” than the one he proposed? After all, isn’t justice itself just a highly theoretical idea?

Posted by: Tom | August 13, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

Nice work and I hope you will keep it up with your efforts.

Posted by: Mical | November 20, 2009, 6:40 am 6:40 am

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