Cornyn: ‘Of Course White House is Collecting Names’
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports:
Earlier this week we reported on Sen. John Cornyn’s concerns about a new White House request that members of the public flag “fishy” claims about President Obama’s health care plans. Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that fears about invasions of privacy are unfounded: “Nobody is collecting names,” Gibbs told ABC’s Jake Tapper. Back to Cornyn, who today issued a statement saying that he’s not satisfied: “Of course the White House is collecting names. As I wrote to the President, it is inevitable. Anyone with access to the flag@whitehouse.gov account has access to the names and email addresses that are collected in that account,” Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement. “The question is not what the White House is doing, but how and why. How are they purging names and email addresses from this account to protect privacy? Why do they need the forwarded emails, names, and ‘casual conversations’ sent to them instead of just the arguments that they want to rebut?” Cornyn’s office also said the senator was submitting to the White House five claims he finds fishy — all of them claims made by members of the Obama administration. The press release cc'd flag@whitehouse.gov.
1: “The Obama Administration Said That The Stimulus Would Stop Unemployment From Going Above Eight Percent.” 2: ” The White House Said That The Stimulus Would Not Be A ‘Jolt’ Despite Claiming That Just Months Ago.” 3: “President Obama Claims He Will Cut The Deficit In Half, Despite The Deficit Climbing To A New Record.” 4. “President Obama Promises That Nobody Will Lose Coverage Despite The Fact That He Can’t Make That Promise.” 5: “President Obama Claims That He Won’t Raise Taxes, But His Advisers And Congressional Democrats Have Other Ideas.”
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Impossible to think this administration
would do this! They are the epitome
of “transparency”, or so we’re told
by Mr. Gibbs each and every day.
Every time I see him or the President,
I can see right through them. Every
time.
Posted by: Trajan | August 7, 2009, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Don’t you just love it. The biggest whoppers are being told by the president.
Posted by: Jeff | August 7, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Sen. John Cornyn’s concerns can be best described in one word:
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a lie as “a false statement made with intent to deceive.” The dictionary complicates matters by telling us that to deceive is “to cause to believe what is false, to mislead as to a matter of fact, to lead into error”. It also tells us that “in modern use, the word [“lie”] is normally a violent expression of moral reprobation, which in polite conversation tends to be avoided, the synonyms falsehood and untruth being often substituted as relatively euphemistic.” This is where the trouble begins. Are “falsehood” and “untruth” really synonyms for “lying?” Is lying an attempt merely to mislead or an attempt to get someone to believe that which is false? Or is lying used in two different ways? It can be argued that all that is needed for lying are beliefs about what is true or false — not knowledge of what is true or false.
Posted by: gus amaral | August 7, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
The fact that there are these two senses of lying gets us into trouble. When we focus on intent, the goal of lying seems utterly clear. When we focus on truth and falsity, we are often led into error — to the seven lies about lying that follow:
1. Lying is the opposite of telling the truth. It is often assumed that when we lie, we know the truth — that our brains are reality recorders or truth recorders. But we can think something is false, without it being false. And we can think something is true, without it being true.
2. Lying is telling a falsehood. This is the flip-side of No. 1, and it leads to the preposterous idea that truth and falsehood can be determined with a machine.
3. Lying leads to narrative inconsistencies. The common wisdom is that people whose stories change are telling lies. But it’s often liars (not truth-tellers) who are able to tell consistent stories. They have their stories down.
4. Lying can never be justified. There is the extreme view that lying is always bad, and hence can never be justified.
5. Lying will be punished. Perhaps. But not as often as truth-telling.
6. Lying is avoidable. Lying is unavoidable
7. Lying is a threat to the truth. No. Lying and the truth can exist side-by-side.
Posted by: gus amaral | August 7, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Lies are effective because we are insecure about many of our beliefs and are quite vulnerable to the suggestion that those beliefs might be false. And they work because we might be predisposed to believe them already.
Posted by: Kant | August 7, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
so gus whats your point? who is lying?
Posted by: catman | August 7, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
wow, what is obama thinking. Doesn’t get his way, & good % of people don’t agree with his hlt care plan, so what does he do starts an enemy list. Not a good idea. How about you present a hlt care plan that has details & not try to torpedo it through.
Posted by: vinson massif | August 7, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Democratic sphincters tighten. Barney
Frank says, “What’s the problem?”
Posted by: Trajan | August 7, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Obama has continued, and indeed in some cases accelerated, programs that Cornyn friends (like Bushs) initiated. OF COURSE the government, and especially the Executive Branch, is taking names! And SS#s, and emails, and phone calls, free speech zones, and photographs at demonstrations, etc. And Obama wants to continue this and have a “Czar”, politically appointed, have access to ALL your personal health/medical information and wants to eliminate doctor-patient privledge. He, or his minions, have implied that free speech is now a bad thing (because politicians, who never read the bill(s), are ashamed because people back home shout at them) I guess highly paid (and lobbyist/hedgefund funded never heard about “sticks and stones”! Why are they so afraid of words?
Posted by: Ed | August 7, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Perhaps Comrade Obama is collecting the names of those with incorrect views for later re-education under forthcoming thought-crimes legislation.
Posted by: Bill | August 7, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
it is not a lie if you believe it to be true. This is the pyschological “trick” of certain people: of cultists, sociopaths, fundamentalists of many religions, crazed Repubs, druggies, Obama cadres, or even people in bad situations- is that they have convinced themselves of a lie. Certain people: salespeople, conmen, politicians, can also use this technique. But the problem is that, eventually, it is hard to fake it, and you can end up the same as the above. Or worse as the leader of those poor souls.
So, they aren’t “lying” when they state false things; they can believe and state things that aren’t objectively true, in total confindence of their truth. And in their speeches, sermons, claims be very convincing especially in times of crisis– or to those in crisis who hope “The One” is the there to help them.
Posted by: Ed | August 7, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
I cannot imagine the what the media uproar would have been if the Bush administration had asked people to send emails of those critical of his policies to the whitehouse. What a double standard the media applies to their boy Barack. I had heard about this story via word of mouth, but it was so alarming I couldn’t believe it was true. Had to look hard to find it covered in any of the major media outlets. What a double standard!
Posted by: LT | August 8, 2009, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Thus begins what was known in the Soviet Union as ‘The Interior Ministry’
Posted by: Bill | August 8, 2009, 8:11 am 8:11 am
My Gawd, some people are just so utterly stupid and gullible! I suppose Cornyn was outraged when Bush began the warrantless wiretap program – oh wait, he supported that! If I want to send the WH some of the insanely stupid lies and misinformation circulating the internet, put forth by the far-right Rush/Hannity/Beck minions, then I will……
Posted by: SearamblerOne | August 8, 2009, 8:20 am 8:20 am
SearamblerOne: 3000 innocent American citizens were killed in one day in an evil brutal attack. Can’t you see that extraordinary safeguards had to be put in place to prevent the possibility of more. My son works for the NSA as an Arabic translator and I can vouch for the voracity of that program. The Patriot Act was NOT used to gather information on any Americans that were simply opposed to Bush policies. Wake-up, we live in a dangerous world, but it will be more than just dangerous if we let Obama get away with using his office to intimidate and infringe on the free-speech rights of those who disagree with him.
Posted by: LT | August 8, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Peoples lack of understanding of priavcy and technology continue to amaze me. The senator is right. When you send a e-mail you have given them all the information that they need to track you. I am computer forensic examiner. On the privacy side if the Whitehouse is actually following the Privacy Act then they will keep the messages for ever. The issue is not that they are collecting the information is that US citizen know what information is being collected on them. To actually say that you are breaking the law show ignorance of the law or of technology. Either way to is a shame that the most technology savoy administration doesn’t understand technology or the law.
An by the way I did vote for Obama for all those in the DNC.
Posted by: BT | August 8, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
With American Politicians taking a vacation, the news media in the USA is covering up the most illegal activities of an American President since Richard Nixon.
President Obama and his administration through illegal acts of gathering and soliciting emails and conversations about information from one citizen about another American citizen has broken the law . Specifically the 1974 privacy act.
As always the pro and biased USA main stream media is no where to be found these days when it comes to reporting facts or informing the public about Obama’s illegal and unconstitutional acts.
This current attempt for erosion of the peoples civil liberties, being orchestrated from the white house against the people of America has not been seen since the Nixon years.
Any criticism about Obama and his policies are labelled as racist, yet the only racist remarks keep emanating directly from and within the white house.
It is time for criminal charges to be laid in a court of law against Obama his administration and his unelected gang of czars for these unconstitutional acts against the American people.
Time for Congress and the Senate to hold hearings on the possible impeachment of this President for such illegal activities sponsored and directed from the white house and for an independent prosecutor to be appointed.
Posted by: peterclarke | August 8, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
LMBO at theis peterclarke guy from Aug 8, 2209 at 2:38PM. I’m sure some people want nothing more than to find the Obama Administration guilty of something illegal. You are getting ready for a hurting of your lifetime. You have an undesirable President in office for the next 3-1/2 years. Feel the pain of the rest of us who endured 8 years of lies and treachery. I guess you people think anything remotely black belongs in your jails. Narcissistic idiots!
Posted by: Coherent1 | August 8, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Even if they were collecting names, the only names that they’d have are those of the people forwarding the emails, not the originators. So, tell me again, what’s the problem? If you don’t want them to have your email, don’t send them any mail.
Posted by: gop | August 8, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
gop – when an email is forwarded the entire string of forwarding addresses and the original address are available. If contents of an email are cut and pasted into another email then it is not traceable, but the Whitehouse blog specifically requested that any fishy emails be FORWARDED to them. Forwarded emails can be traced.
This is obviously an under-the-table attempt to discourage or intimidate free-speech rights of those in disagreement with this administration. The Whitehouse, by law, must keep all emails it receives for a minimum of 10 years. If you have an email forwarded to the Whitehouse they have access to your e-address and the IP address of your computer for at least 10 years.
Posted by: LT | August 8, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
They already have the GPS coordinates to your front door, they have the ability to track you on the net they were just looking for a little help from a friend. Illegal help but help nontheless. They have to keep al communications they receive so whay not help them by sending all the chain emails to them. Redirect spam to the flag site. Send all the nonesense articles about the chosen one to the site too. I am not worried, they already have my name, know where I live.
work and play. So I think I will just have fun jamming up the works.
Posted by: 1post3 | August 9, 2009, 5:30 am 5:30 am
need to fire all the czars
Posted by: RAMBOW99 | August 9, 2009, 7:37 am 7:37 am
what hypocrisy sense Cornyn support the Bush administration’s Patriot Act… essentially giving the government free reign to spy on it’s own citizens…
So what Cornyn is saying that it was ok to spy on American citizens who opposed the Iraq war…
But, it is not ok for to use those same techniques for those American citizens that are misleading the American public with misinformation??? Right…
So If I am understanding this correctly that if Bush was still the President, and trying to get health care reform passed, which he had brought up in 2006 in Dublin, Ohio, and again in 2007 in his state of the union speech. It would ok for Bush to spy on those American citizen that oppose such reform… but…. hey, wait a minute…..
The trouble with supporting policies like the Patriot Act is that the next guy in office has access to those same policies, Senator… dingaling!
Does it make it right, no of course not… but once the door has been opened, it means others can walk through it.
Where have all the sensible Republicans gone… ?
Posted by: theafalcon200 | August 9, 2009, 8:30 am 8:30 am
John is worried that some of the “names” will be linked to him. After all, the Repubs are behind the recent attempts to disrupt the health care town hall meetings. They don’t want the public to know the truth about the Democrats’ health care plan. They are very reminicent of the Nazis and their methods to control our lives. Fear and intimidation… the motto of the Repub party.
Posted by: leftyintexas | August 9, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
The Whitehouse may not be taking names, but this voter sure is, and will work against every lying Republican and the turn-coat Democrats who answer to big money corporations whose only interest is more profit at the expense of the American people.
Posted by: Karen | August 9, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Can’t we sue, impeach, and imprison oBAMA NOW for all that he is doing regarding just the frauds?Not to mention all the other things he has been up to.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | August 10, 2009, 12:53 am 12:53 am