Democratic National Committee Suggests Town Hall Protestors are Fringe Birther Mob

DNC, I’m a registered democrat, how dare you call me fringe, I’m Joe average I work 40 a week pay my taxes and expect to be treated fairly. But you have angered a bunch of folks like me and you too much of a elitist group to see it. Your trying to ram crap down our throats too much too fast and were saying enough is enough. We are not going to sit back any more and take the crap your dishing out. We are coming for you next election cycle so start checking the help wanted ads.

This is insulting to Americans. How dare the DNC and elected officials attack United States Citizens for disagreeing with the insane spending in Washington. These politicians and liberal jurnalist are not being honest. They are taken aback by the people who are normally going to work speaking up for their children. I recall Obama calling for people to GET IN THEIR FACE. There are still some Americans that can perform simple math and they know that we cannot afford any more social experiments. Can we opt out of the tax increases that are necessarily going to follow these spending programs. Our largest creditor, the Chinese have laughed in the administrations face when they attempted the Obama double speak. Lets here this Whitehouse trivilize the Chinese concerns about Obamanomics and see what happens!

I thought Obama’s line was the same as Irans….Don’t believe your eyes or the people protesting, there really isn’t anyone that doesn’t like him…… Obama give it up, people TAX PAYERS MOSTLY are fed up with all of your lies and scams.

Funny the only post that brought up race is the one supporting the DNC !!!

Since this admin is so fond of Lincoln, here’s a quote for them that they should really listen to and try to understand:
We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.
- Abe Lincoln

Dont you just luv it when the MEDIA makes people who disagree with the politicians or the government as “Left-Right Wing Extremeists”?!
They’re jealous that these “extremists” have access to more/acurate/”common life” experience information than they do.
Where was the MEDIA OUTRAGE over ACORN supporters harrassing “TEA Party” groups?

What happened to civil discourse in this country?

Guess demanding that they actually read the bill is too much for Democrats to deal with huh? But then again Conyers from here in Michigan has already admited that he doesn’t bother actualy reading the bills he votes on.
So I guess then instead of admitting that public polls have been dropping over this and that people are sick and tired of having bad bill after bad bill shoved on them it’s easier to just play the blame game. Change…gotta love it!

When these idiots interfere with my right to hear what my congressman/senator has to say by screaming, yelling and constantly disrupting, they should be arrested. Free speech is one thing, mob ignorance and interring with other persons rights should not be tolerated.

Interesting comments coming from the party of a man who’s roots are in ‘community organizing’ and led the same style protests with shout down contests populated by ACORN. How hypocritical.

So Trent, you would rather sit there a get a lecture from your congressman.And Nancy R., if civil discourse means being lectured to by people who are suppose to listen to their constituents. I afraid that doesn’t work any more because they are more interested in power then in their people. NO people it’s time we got vocal very vocal !!!

* People who want Congress to take more time debating healthcare–are shutting down debate.
* Obama says the time for talk on healthcare is over–but his critics are trying to shut down debate.
* Harassing and threatening the families of AIG employees is awesome; razzing Representatives and Senators is totally immoral!
* Asking Representatives and Senators to read bills before voting on them is killing democracy.
* Sen. Specter saying “we have to make judgments very fast” is awesome. Booing him for saying so is shutting off debate.
* Healthcare protesters are thugs shutting off debate; antiwar protesters are “rowdy.”
And don’t forget the Community-Agitator-in-Chief last year calling on his minions to go forth:
“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to ARGUE WITH THEM AND GET IN THEIR FACE,” Obama said.

I’m tired of people claiming that everything Obama touches is “socialism”. Do you even know how long “socialism” has been around? Do you know taxpayers give farmers subsidies? Is that “socialism”? Medicade…”socialism”? Hell even the US military is subsidized to a degree! Is that “socialism”? It’s not until a Democrat comes in power that these so called “Republicans” suddenly oppose the government. It’s like “if we can’t control it, no one can!” Wahhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh….bunch of uneducated babies…

Democrats love free speech, as long as it is something that matches with their agenda. If not, they label you part of a “right-wing Republican extremist” mob.

newz4i, what the hell does race have to do with it, it’s about policy being ramed down our throats, if they would move at a slower pace they may even get support.

Republicans might not remember this or know about this because they weren’t involved with the Democrat primary, but this is the tactic the DNC used during the primaries with Hillary Clinton. They strongarmed superdelegates to endorse obama, they called African American superdelegates Uncle Toms for endorsing Hillary. They allowed Bill Clinton to be called racist and not defend him. They allowed or were behind the character assassination of Hillary Clinton on the internet by paid obama campaigners. They allowed the cheating and thuggery of Clinton Supporters at the caucuses (there is video proof of this); and the DNC STOLE delegates from Hillary Clinton in Florida and in Michigan. The DNC is being helped by Axlerod’s publicity company in try to shape public opinion against this grassroots movement. Don’t let it happen. Continue to raise your concerns and keep the pressure on your reps to justify why this expensive bill is needed now when we are in trillions of dollars of debt.

Tapper rightly reported on the DNC’s claims skeptically because the claims by the DNC are a joke. It’s too bad there is almost this cult like worship of Obama by many of his supporters(where they are thinking purely emotionally) because the facts show many problems with this President and his policies. More people need to abandon the cult of Obama and to start examining Obama and his policies logically(not emotionally).

How do you spell Obama?..P-A-R-A-N-O-I-D
“Uh… in your face”
Jobs? …anyone..anyone?
Middle Class Tax Hikes?..anyone..anyone?
Deathcare?…anyone..anyone?
censorship and threats? anyone ..anyone?

I’m glad the Democrats are fighting back against the insurance lobby.
Health care reform is too important to leave to the insurance companies and their lobbyists in Congress.

With the way Obama and the dems are trashing the country, republicans will have an easy win in 2010 and 2012. Happy belated B-day mr. president!

It’s funny how the media is rushing to say the responses were staged or planned,they were not even there. I was there, and believe me they were genuine and the group was atleast 50% democrats like me. I think all of us are tired of government that does’nt work for us (We The People)…

“These mobs are bussed in by well funded, highly organized groups run by -Democrat- operatives and funded by the special interests who are desperately trying to stop the agenda of the elected President.”
Hmm this sure didn’t apply for the last 8 years.

The Black Panthers need to guard the doors to protect the officials from those crazy threatening senior citizens.

At an ObamaCare town hall meeting in St Louis, a young Army soldier gave a brief but spot-on lesson on constitutional grants (and limits) of power. The soldier points out that many statists will fall back on a rather lame argument that the “General Welfare” clause grants them more powers but he points out that the founding fathers made it clear that that clause only applied within the constraints of the enumerated powers defined in Article 1, Section 8. ___________________________________
Doesn’t sound like a birther to me…

The GOP is collapsing into the birthers and the yellers. There is no room for moderates in the Republican Party.
Also, I have no doubt the huge health care corporations which finance the main web sites promoting and scripting the yelling could cut this uncivil behavior off. The corporations don’t cut it off because they are making billions from things the way they are where they get to cherry pick who they insure. The large corporations hope the disruptions make it possible to keep the billions rolling in.
The health care battle is between corporations and ordinary people with the GOP fronting for the corporations. If you believe you could lose your insurance or your job (so your employer doesn’t have to pay increased health care premiums) when you get an expensive illness, it is you the yellers are attacking and trying to shut up.
It is time to cut off the yelling. It is just a sign of the decaying Republican party.

Ok… here’s the bottom line… Swine flu… how many folks have died in countries with universal healthcare? And how many have died in the US? Yep… very very few in the US compared to other countries with the universal plan! Those folks died waiting in line!Our healthcare is the best of the best! Noone comes close to our healthcare! This is a Fact!!! Check Mate!!! GOD bless America!!!

The DNC and others are playing a dangerous game when they deny that people are genuinely concerned, if not angry, about this issue. I am not a right-wing nut, but I am quite upset with the things that I’m hearing about the healthcare bills being considered in Congress. There are far more people like me out there than the DNC is willing to recognize.

Posted by: Tick Tock, Barack | Aug 5, 2009 10:23:37 AM
A soldier? Sounds like the kind of person Janet Napolitano warned us about.

I wonder how many birthers are actually liberals posing as birthers? Happens all the time on blogs. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that they are out there trying to make conservatives look unhinged.

At an ObamaCare town hall meeting in St Louis, a young Army soldier gave a brief but spot-on lesson on constitutional grants (and limits) of power. The soldier points out that many statists will fall back on a rather lame argument that the “General Welfare” clause grants them more powers but he points out that the founding fathers made it clear that that clause only applied within the constraints of the enumerated powers defined in Article 1, Section 8.
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Those enumerated powers being that congress has the right to levy taxes to pay for the general welfare of the citizenry. Read your constitution, my friend. Don’t just ape Glenn Beck.

Churches get to decide how they help people with their money, an outside body does not come in and tell the church what they are going to do.

How does Gibbs keep a straight face?
It’s no wonder the Obama administration is losing credibility.
So the people at townhalls are manufactered mobs but ACORN isn’t?
What about Obama’s staged townhalls–stacked with his supporters?

“that is the only word I can come up with for the millions of people who say that they are christian but who do not want nor are they willing to be less so in order to help out a fellow American citizen.”
This is very distorted. I’m not sure where your getting your Christian teaching but this is very questionable. How is it a Christian principle to have the government take care of your generosity for you? You should make the choice, as an individual, with your relationship with God, to do good things for people and share your generosity with them. Not outsource it to the government. God wants us to choose, not be ushered by the government. Please never equate a government social program to a Christian principle. A Christian principle is that YOU do it, not the government. Giving directly to those in need and volunteering your time in your community charities is Christian.

The democrats have got this one pegged. If the turn out is anything like the tea parties you have, “less than” 1% of the population available within a 10 mile radius of the event trying to determine the path for the other 99%. These people need to get over it. They lost. The majority of this has chosen a new direction. The real tea party began more than 4 years ago. republicans are being thrown out of office as fast as the election process will allow.

Americans are so fed-up with this corrupt healthcare bill that they’re getting involved in politics.
This bill has nothing to do with healthcare. What it really amounts to is an insidious power grab. The bill is written in such a way that it undercuts the insurance industry so they’re unable to compete, and they go out of business. Then small companies and corporations will find that it’s cheaper to pay the tax penalty than to provide group insurance…making the government the only one left standing. The government takes over 17% of our economy…check mate.
What Obama calls “manufactured” anger “orchestrated by right wing extremists,” is really ordinary citizens getting involved in their country. It’s amazing the arrogance of these politicians. They think of us as so ignorant and stupid that they assume when we ask hard questions and catch them in their hypocracy, we certainly can’t think for ourselves, so it must be the Republican’s fault.
Well, these demonstrations are happening all over the country. There’s only so much you can rationalize away. It looks like they’ll figure it out in the 2010 election.

“Got healthcare?”
Actually yes, yes I do. Even when i was between jobs. Crazy thing this personal responsibility thing. Cable TV, iPhones, or helath insurance… hmmmm… which one is responsible… hmmm.

It’s not only the GOP. It’s United Healthcare, Aetna, Blue Cross and the large pharmaceutical companies who are funding these fanatics via their giant lobbying firms. They are trying to preserve their record profits by gaming the system with lies, distortions, fear and playing to the ignorance of the mob. America is the only civilized country in the world who does not provide health care to everyone. We are the only country which pays private insurance company billions of dollare to exclude people for preexisting conditions and deny them needed treatment. They are spending over a million dollars a day trying to stop any type of bill.

The Obama administration knows the outrage is real. Are the pollsters only contacting “birthers”? The astroturf tactic only adds fuel to the fire that isn’t going to go out. The inexperience of these amateurs is showing big time!

“Those enumerated powers being that congress has the right to levy taxes to pay for the general welfare of the citizenry. Read your constitution, my friend.”
Distortion of terms. General welfare, even defined by our forefathers, were those things that ALL AMERICANS benefited from. National Defense being the primary listing in the descriptions in the articles.
Taxing one segment of the population to provide benefit for another section of the population does NOT benefit us all.

“Are you going to volunteer to provide healthcare? Are you a surgeon? I have a feeling Jesus knows where your heart is. You aren’t fooling anyone but yourself!”
Your town has a free clinic. Look it up. DOCTORS volunteer there. You can also volunteer there, but obviously not to do health care, but administration, cleaning services, bathing services. If you want to help you can. Don’t try and parse this into skill based.
Also, there are hundreds of Church based charities for health care.
In any case, you completely missed the point. It is something you have to CHOOSE to get involved in and support, even if its just money. It has to be YOUR CHOICE. What part of this do you not get? You don’t choose to pay taxes and thats a cop out to make you feel better about yourself that somehow its a Christian value. It’s not.

Liberals are so deluded that they call ANYONE who does not think as they do, a RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST.
There are no people on this earth who are more disingenuous.
A commenter above said that ” It’s amazing the arrogance of these politicians. They think of us as so ignorant and stupid.”
The reason for that is simple: LIBERALS are THAT ignorant and THAT stupid to believe everything that their Glorious Leader pontificates.
Liberals were all giddy with delight about the prospect of trying President Bush as a “war criminal,” yet they elected and support an illegal President who has failed to provide any real records of his past.
Releasing his REAL PAPER ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE would be a great place to start.

They can suggest whatever they like.
The reality is….there’s lots of people who see the plan as a bad plan, and they do write their congressmen…..although I will admit, few congressmen really listen to anything that’s not in their personal best interest.

Truly a scent of fascism in the air.What ever happened to “I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.People have a constitutional right to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.To imply that participants in these meetings are stooges for insurance companies or paid hacks insults ANYBODY who has participated in public demonstration or debate.It is the flip side of the same coin used by the most rabid of the birthers.Maybe this is the Chicago way-assasinate the character of those you disagree with.Maybe the DNC cannot accept the fact that intelligent people can disagree with their views without secondary mind control.The most amazing thing about these accusations is that they run contrary to true liberal thought-the belief that ideas should be discussed and evaluated,not dismissed out of hand. “Die gedanken sind frei!”Remember 1848?

Wow. So many things wrong with the DNC characterization of things, don’t know where to start. I want proof of violence and racism being a problem at these townhalls. Angry folks tired of being lied to by congress and this administration, yes, but mob rule with threats of violence, show it to me. Just because the media and this administration spout their “facts and poll numbers”, doesnt’ make it so.
We just want questions answered, not talking points. We’re more informed then they think we are. We’ve been reading these rough draft bills, and we have concerns. Stop telling us we’re not reading when we clearly are, and not seeing and hearing what we clearly are. We’ve been lied to so much by politicians on both sides, the anger is understandable. They use our money like their personal piggy banks, while we’re out here losing jobs because of stupid decisions their making. You bet we’re mad. Not stupid or violent, just mad. That’s still legal isn’t it?

Special interest groups are simply Americans that want their voice heard. The problem is that the majority of Americans haven’t gotten involved, so the only ones left are the narrow-minded corrupt minority. We call them liberals. Politicians pander to them because they fund campaigns. Now politicans are narrow-minded and corrupt.
Things have changed now. Americans are joining special interest groups because we’re fed-up with being ignored. Ironically, Obama is a great uniter. He’s united the Republican party better than anyone ever imagined. He’s united Americans too. All of these people stand against him on healthcare, as well as every other policy he has. Good job!

All that the dems use for excuses, are these the same excuses that the british sent back to England when they were asked what,s going on in the colonies??

Ok… here’s the bottom line… Swine flu… how many folks have died in countries with universal healthcare? And how many have died in the US? Yep… very very few in the US compared to other countries with the universal plan! Those folks died waiting in line!Our healthcare is the best of the best! And yes there is free healthcare for those that cannot afford it! I see it everywhere! Many Doctors volunteer as well as pharmacists. The help is already there!!! Noone comes close to our healthcare! This is a Fact!!! Check Mate!!! GOD bless America!!! And for those that state the Republican party is no more I sense your fear! You will lose congress and you will lose the white house! Someone disagrees with them and they call them extremists! They will need some “Depends” when reality hits!

See what they say in 2010 when things go the way they did in 1994. If the republicans can’t come back there are new consttutional parties who want our country back. Democrats, are like car buyers ” Buyers are lyers”

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.

Oh sure,nobody in their right mind would care about this issue and be scared to death it might pass. The Dems are out of their mind if they continue to think that they are fooling us into believing in them. Just look at the number of Dems and GOP that are leaving their parties in droves! The third party will be the only thing to save us from both sides. The third party are the only ones who believe in something bigger than themselves

The White House sees the daily polls. They know full well that public support for the vague outline of a plan being sold as urgent healthcare reform has lost steam. And, even worse for them, especially among the moderates and independent voters, the more details that emerge of what MIGHT be in the bills the more the polls tank. They know full well that a few protesters in a town hall meeting in Kansas are not going to affect the outcome of the debate. How very telling that the DNC attacks and demonizes American citizens for exercising their rights to assembly and free speech- while pretending that the polling data, which is documenting exactly the same concerns on a national level, does not exist.

I went to a townhall meeting with Rep. Adler of NJ on Saturday morning. I went alone and met dozens of like minded middle aged citizens who like me, are very frustrated and angry about this shove down as well as cap and tax, the bailouts, etc…Are we organized? Not yet…but we all exchanged names and numbers and we soon will be. We are American citizens who have worked hard, paid taxes, followed the laws and tolerated alot of liberal policies that we disagreed with. Now close to or at retirement, we’ve lost our savings, our 401Ks, our college funds and now they are coming after our health care…
We are saying NO! NO! NO!
And we are only getting louder. Are we backed by insurance companies or the GOP or anyone? NO! Many of us are democrats !
Obama knows that this is a true grass root movement. Obama knows that most Americans are satisfied with their healthcare and don’t want this “reform”. He is disingenuous at best, and is attempting to isolate and marginalize us. Note to WH…we lived through Carter, Vietnam, Watergate and you don’t scare us.
We are growing and not going anywhere, our parents fought in WW2, our grandparents immigrated from Europe and lived through the depression. We’re made of much tougher stuff than you know.
Our flags fly, and we are ready for a FIGHT.
God Bless America.

Quick, email the White House, here’s a wingnut saying something “fishy.”
Rep. Eric Massa said Tuesday he opposes the health care reform bill being considered by the House of Representatives because he’s concerned IT WILL RUIN MEDICARE or that it could force tens of millions of Americans to buy supplemental insurance they don’t need.
“I will not vote for something that I perceive will destroy Medicare,” Massa, a DEMOCRAT from Corning, said in an afternoon meeting with the editorial board of the Star-Gazette.
Massa said many points have been made in support and opposition to the bill, HR 3200.
“One of them is that we’re going to fund health care reform largely through savings,” he said. “Well, those savings largely come about by REDUCING PAYMENTS TO MEDICARE providers. That means doctors will start saying, ‘I’m sorry, I don’t accept Medicare unless you have a Medicare supplement plan.’
“That, by the way, is why the private health insurance industry loves this bill, because it will drive about 40 million Americans into the private health insurance industry to have Medicare supplements to be able to then take advantage of their remaining Medicare benefits.”

The Dems are in trouble and they know it. The people have had enough of the chosen one, just look at his poll numbers. People are starting to realize that he is just an overly confident inexpierenced politician who is clueless when it comes to economics, business and foreign policy. Obama will never make two terms and will be lucky if he is not impeached before his first term is over.

Posted by: mjishernameo | Aug 5, 2009 11:52:12 AM
Amen.

These people are scary, disgusting and ignorant. It appalls me that a major political party would condone, support and fund such pointless and disruptive behavior and the spread of such outrageous and unfounded propaganda. Do they not see how transparent it is, as well as how unAmerican? Because the party they supported has so grossly failed the American people in so many ways, they were voted out. Now the nutjob fringes this party encouraged in the 2008 election (not the majority of Republicans by any means) think they can regain power, not by coming up with good ideas and solutions, but by being loud, obnoxious and intimidating, and spreading fearful lies to prey on ignorance and racism. Behave like civilized, intelligent human beings, cooperate to come up with workable solutions to our very real problems, or just shut up already.

Apparently the DNC (and the RNC for that matter) have not figured out that most people have do not trust, respect or like any members of the current U.S. Congress. People are absolutely fed up with their self-serving, non-functinal, time wasting endeavors. There is not a member of the Congress whose sole and primary issue is their own re-election, everything else is less than secondary on their agenda. The motto of each of them, individuall and collectively is: “What’s in it for me??” So the jeers and heckling are well earned and well deserved.

I’ll bet that Mr. Flag at the White House Snitch Center has a lot of work on his hands this week. According to Quinnipiac, 52% of American voters are probably passing around “fishy” information about how the White House wants to take over health care, and worry that government will ruin a system that the vast majority of people like and want to keep for themselves. Sounds like 39% of the people had better get busy on e-mail.
American voters disapprove 52 – 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care, down from 46 – 42 percent approval July 1, with 60 – 34 percent disapproval from independent voters. Voters say 59 – 36 percent that Congress should not pass health care reform if only Democratic members support it.

I get it, if it’s a group of left-wing liberals protesting, it’s called “grass-roots”, even if it is organized by a group like ACORN.
But if it’s a group of conservatives who are protesting, it was organized by evil corporations.
Is it possible that maybe, just MAYBE, there are millions of people in this country who don’t like where Obama is leading our country? There are many of us who voted for Obama and have realized that we were sold a bunch of snake oil. We are finally fed up enough to actually do something about it and demonstrate our dissatisfaction.

If these demonstrations were truly organized, you’d think they would have an idea of who was behind it. Instead, the DNC (and their friend in the media) just have a general feeling that they are probably organized by evil corporations, or they’re just a bunch of lunatics. If there was a leader to this movement, the DNC/MSM would know every piece of dirt on him/her and destroy thier life.

These people are scary, disgusting and ignorant. It appalls me that a major political party would condone, support and fund such pointless and disruptive behavior and the spread of such outrageous and unfounded propaganda. Do they not see how transparent it is, as well as how unAmerican?
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | Aug 5, 2009 12:03:28 PM
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I’m sure King George III felt the same way.
“Petitions to the king to intervene with the parliament on their behalf resulted in Congress being declared traitors and the states in rebellion the following year. The Americans responded by formally declaring their independence as a new nation, the United States of America, claiming sovereignty and rejecting any allegiance to the British monarchy.”

these folks are the face of the republican party- old angry and out of control. any republican running for election in the foreseeable future must be prepared to see these faces over and over again – a perfect tool for democrats.

I can get paid by lobbyists to speak the truth about the presidents nationality? SIGN ME UP! Did you hear about the man in the army that refused deployment to Afghanistan under the rule of a non-native president and then the army actually accepted his request? Sounds like someone doesn’t want his baggage getting out that’s he’s a CoF shill that had no right getting into office, neither did John McSame, he was born in Panama, not the United States. I’m totally buying the “Don’t blame me, I voted for Ron Paul” t-shirt

How many of you were actually at any of the meetings in question? I was and 50% or more of the people there protesting were Democrats like myself. The feeling i got from everyone there was that they were sick of leaders in both parties including the president! Seemed like equal opportunnity anger and disgust with the whole political system…

I am a registered Democrat; a writer; a graduate of a liberal northeast college. I deeply deeply resent the characterization of town hall protests as “astroturf,” or even as “anti-reform.” These people strike me as a diverse group (some whacky, some not, most sincere). Why should the protests of conservatives be any less valid than those of liberals? (some whacky, some not, most sincere) I have stood on many liberal protest lines (I have been “loud and shrill”) – including protesting the treatment of Anita Hill by conservative Senators. The town hall protests are not even necessarily “anti-reform,” as it is now being spun. They are, however, certainly anti THIS reform and anti rushing through these monolithic bills that few have read and even less understand. These protestors are fearful, as they should be, of the unintended consequences of this type of hubristic, overly ambitious undertaking. All Americans feel tenuous about their futures right now; it looks as though my fellow Democrats are recklessly — recklessly — adding unfathomable levels of change to an already turbulent economic landscape. The town halls that Sebelius and the rest of the Democrats are running are being shouted down because they (Sebelius et al) aren’t attending them in good faith: they are going to them with “talking points” and spin. These are protests, because our representatives are not conducting listening sessions. This is not about “finding out what the voters think”; it’s about selling an agenda. Americans are sick of being sold agendas by Democrats or Republicans.

When representativs are afraid to go out among the people the whole system is close to collapse…… If you were at the meetings you could easily tell they were not staged , many Dems. and Independants were there protesting also. They all were sick of the whole system ..Both Parties

Isn’t this the same group(Dems) who
complained about Nixon’s enemies list?
It appears that President Obama and his
worshippers have gone a bit farther.
Anyone who disagrees with the
“messiah” is a right-wing nut-job,
a member of an unruly mob,
a Republican political operative, or
a Hater!
The effort to marginalize those who
oppose the “public option” for
universal healthcare will fail as will
any bill that does not remove it!
Criticizm of the president’s inability
to stop the rising unemployment rate
will Not be Muted!
Neither will the criricizm of his
disasterous foreign policy be Muted.
We the People, Mr President.
Ignore us at your and your Party’s peril!

Posted by: JC Houlihan | Aug 5, 2009 12:48:46 PM
I agree, I am a registered Democrat also. I have been appalled by the Democrats actions since the primaries. I am sick of their pol tested phrases, I am sick of their elitist attitudes, I am sick of their phony agenda being manufactured behind closed doors with no transparency until after the fact. I am not the only one, that is for sure.

“this is congress and the presidents worse nightmare. the stupid hillbillies are finding their voice” – Actually its the insurance companies that have found their voice. Us southern whites have been cynically manipulated to vote against our own interests for 200 years. Meanwhile the rich just keep getting richer while we can only take comfort in the fact that at least we are better off than some folks. Well the Bush presidency and the healthcare debate has caused this white southerner to see the light: Dont try your cynical BS to split me away from my fellow Americans who are of a different color.

Me Danita, Me dont have anything productive to add to discussion.

Once again, fear is being rallied by the right attempting to frighten Americans into something.
Last time the big FEAR was used was to rally Americans into the attack on Iraq. A constant bombardment of fear, fear, fear to scare the Americans into the right wing agenda. We saw where that got us.
Now it is a constant bombardment of fear, fear, fear from the right to scare Americans out of health care reform.
Do you know how much these health care insurers and industries pay for the privilege of scaring you?
The only policies the Republican right have are fear and smear tactics. You can see them working really hard at it, right here, right now.
It’s easy to see . . . sorry you fear mongerers, this time you’re going down.

Actually fear has been the tool of Obama and our congressional leaders. They are using the fear of a New Depression to try and scare Americans into allowing them to take care of us! They used fear to ram down a Trillion dollar stimulus(after interest) down our throats and the fear of catostrophic global warming in conjunction with fear of depression to ram Cap and Tax down our throats. Fear is alive and well and its being used by the Democrats at the moment.

You news people complain about the conduct of citizens at the town hall meets. I don’t know of any other way to get the attention of these members of Congress.
I’m retired and I live in Florida. I’ve sent emails to my congressman and my two senators. My congressman and one senator are Republicans. They are on-board with my position that we need to slow down and check spending. They also oppose the job killing Cap and Trade bill. They also want to get the health bill right.
When it comes Senator Bill Nelson, I might as well be writing to a brick. All I get back from him is the party line. Logic has no meaning to him. The unemployment rate in the Tampa Bay area is 10.5%. Bill Nelson doesn’t care that increases in the price of all forms of energy will only make the unemployment rate worse. No, he’s only concerned with going along with the radical environmentalist movement in his party. Perhaps he would change his tune if he got the message that his chances for re-election might well be tied to the performance of the economy and not just a bunch of knee-jerk votes to please radical pressure groups.

Danita, I know you don’t believe us when we say that the public option will eliminate the private sector. Fine!
However, would you agree that IF there was just one option–a single-payer (public or private) system with 330,000,000 clients, that THAT insurance provider would spend billions of dollars annually in covering healthcare costs for the entire nation?
If you agree to that single statement, then how does that insurance provider cover their costs? If it is a private yet a non-profit insurance company, it would have to raise the premiums just to break even. If it is a public insurance entity, then besides raising premiums it would also have the option of raising taxes (or a combination of both). Would you agree to that?

Fear tactics over and over . .. .
“Health insurance reform will allow doctors to ‘kill granny’ after counselling”
Fear, fear, fear . ..
Fear was used to scare Americans into supporting the attack on Iraq, now it’s being used to scare people away from limiting health care insurer’s gross profits.
The right wing fall back . … “we can scare them into anything.”

danita….
Is Gallup full of fear?
Last week from Gallup (July27-31):
* At this point, almost 7 out of 10 Americans say economic-related issues are the nation’s top problem; 16% say healthcare is the top problem.
* Eighty-four percent of Americans are insured and most say they are satisfied with their insurance and healthcare.
* Most Americans rate the quality of healthcare they receive and their healthcare coverage as excellent or good. These views have been stable in recent years.
* Two-thirds of Americans say members of Congress do not have a good understanding of the issues involved in healthcare reform.
* Just 17% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress, near the bottom of a list of institutions Gallup measures each year.
* Less than half of Americans favor replacing the current system with a government-run healthcare system.
By the way…
To punch holes in all the lies out now and about to come out in next few weeks about those “evil” companies in the heath industry…..
2008 Contributions
Health:
Barack Obama $19,332,932
John McCain $7,374,222
Lawyers & Lobbyists:
Barack Obama $43,425,744
John McCain $11,126,271

“the American people . .. support many of the president’s goals: by 79-15, the public supports “Requiring insurance companies to sell health coverage to people, even if they have pre-existing medical conditions”; by 65-29, they support “Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those who can’t afford it”; by 63-32, they support “Raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 and individuals earning more than $280,000”; by 61-33, they support “Requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance to their employees”; and by 52-37, they support “A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.”

Posted by: danita | Aug 5, 2009 1:34:52 PM
A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.
That’s not what it is and you know it. Any thinking person can read this bill, or all three of them and see that they are designed to eliminate private insurance as the primary vehicle for health care. Whether it is by hook or by crook the aim is to eliminate private health insurance and that is what has people so up in arms, they don’t want to be left without choice. What part of that don’t you get?

I should have said 80 % of Americans insured , instead of “80 million of insured”

Doesn’t this health insurance reform plan allow you to keep your current plan if you don’t mind you and your employer paying through the nose and doubling your premium in the next 10 years? So go ahead, keep your plan. Most of us want an option. I thought you capitalists believed in competition!! Where’s your good ole’ USA spirit?

Mike_C . …
The right has been using fear tactics to scare people about Congress and their plans and are naturally suspicious of government after the Bush administration.
That doesn’t detract at all from these VERY STRONG FACTS . …
“The American people . . . support many of the president’s goals: by 79-15, the public supports “Requiring insurance companies to sell health coverage to people, even if they have pre-existing medical conditions”; by 65-29, they support “Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those who can’t afford it”; by 63-32, they support “Raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 and individuals earning more than $280,000”; by 61-33, they support “Requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance to their employees”; and by 52-37, they support “A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.”
That you chose to ignore this strong support shows your desire to deny the opinion of the American people in favor of your own agenda.

This administration (and the cheerleading media) is starting to become a national embarrassment. My fear is that they are trying to put out a small fire with a barrel of gun powder by asserting the mischaracterization that somehow public antipathy to government run health care is an extremist-Republican-manufactured campaign. Au contraire, mes amis, au contraire. This colossal mistake will only spark additional blow-black (not buy-in) and is a childish antic, sophomoric at best. As a brand marketing consultant I was shocked to see White House communications director and former ABC News correspondent, Linda Douglas, attempt to defend a video of Obama explaining his desire to eliminate private insurance. Not only is such a ploy impotent for the cause, it has exactly the same affect as Burger King submitting a press release to describe that many of their kitchens are dirty and may lead to food poisoning. Unfortunately, the White House is now reduced to a troupe of condescending dilettantes, and their performance is a gut-wrenching train wreck.

“We know nothing is beyond the right and integrity means little.”
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By “we” you must mean the far left fringe, which is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black. Why is a community organizer crying like an infant that communities are organizing (against him) now?

” Why is a community organizer crying like an infant that communities are organizing (against him) now?”
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Nobody is ‘crying like an infant”, it’s being pointed out that the desperate Republicans and their well funded allies are organizing angry mobs — just like they did during the election.
And the point again, is to attempt to destroy Obama. And again, it will not work – health insurance reform will move ahead.

Obama can’t even put INTO context the explicit comments he made in the past, in full support of a single payer government run health care system, that he is now claiming were taken OUT of context. Rather, he just denies, attacks and belittles those who bring his contradictory statements to light. His stories change more than dirty diaper.

@danita, I see you spout out poll numbers and maybe I missed it, but did you quote a source???
Here are some from Rasmussen:
71% Say Obama’s Policies Have Driven Up Deficit
54% Favor Middle Class Tax Cuts Over New Health Care Spending
Perceptions of Obama:
Obama Approval Index -8
Strongly Approve 31%
Strongly Disapprove 39%
Taxes Will Go Down 11%
Gov’t Spending Will Go Up 68%
Obama on Economy – Ex/Good 42%
Obama on Nat’l Sec – Ex/Good 43%
Leadership – Ex/Good 48%
Views Society as Fair 40%
Politically Liberal 76%
Trust Obama on Economic Crisis 29%
Trust on Issues:
Health Care Dems: 46% GOP: 42%
HERE IS GALLUP POLL:
1. Most Americans do not believe that the U.S. healthcare system is in a state of crisis. The economy outweighs healthcare as the most pressing problem facing the country and in Americans’ personal lives.
2. Americans are not convinced that healthcare reform will benefit them personally. This is, in part, because most Americans are satisfied with their current medical care and access to healthcare. Seniors in particular are not convinced that healthcare reform will benefit them.
3. Americans agree that healthcare costs are a major problem for the country. Americans do not, however, believe that healthcare reform would lessen costs — neither for the system as a whole nor for individuals.
THEY HAVE MORE.

@danita, Again, could you give us a site as to where you are getting those numbers??

“desperate Republicans and their well funded allies are organizing angry mobs — just like they did during the election. Their goal? Destroy President Obama.”
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I remember that nonsense during the election, and the fear and smear campaign – terrorist, anti-American, thug, white hater . .. and so on. In fact it continues to this day.
We know nothing is beyond the right and integrity means little.
Mike_C, the Democrats have every right to observe and point out the tactics of the Republican right.

“Ruy Teixeira at the liberal Center for American Progress pointed out, according to the Pew Research Center”
A “LIBERAL CENTER” LOL… funny.

ajax . . .
What the survey shows is VERY strong support across the board for health care reform – and distrust of most politicians (Obama is one exception).
After the last 8 years, I can’t blame people for not trusting politicians – but I admire them for speaking strongly and clearly in favor of MAJOR health care reform specifically . ..
* Requiring insurance companies to sell health coverage to people, even if they have pre-existing medical conditions”; * Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those who can’t afford it
* Raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 and individuals earning more than $280,000”
* “Requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance to their employees”
* “A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.”
You’ll also find “more than six-in-ten (63%) say they are optimistic that Obama’s policies will improve the economy”.

” This is why healthcare was on a course to rammed down the throats of the American people.”
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Hogwash . .. this is another trite line repeated ad nauseum by the right ” . . . rammed down the throats”.
Check out the Pew numbers – the vast majority of Americans favor MAJOR health care reform – they just don’t trust any politicians after the last 8 years – who can blame them?
Mark my words, health insurance reform will happen and if we are lucky it will reflect most of the values expressed by the American public.
* requiring insurance companies to sell health coverage to people, even if they have pre-existing medical conditions”
* Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those who can’t afford it
* Raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 and individuals earning more than $280,000”
* “Requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance to their employees”
* “A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.”

Check out the Pew numbers – the vast majority of Americans favor MAJOR health care reform – they just don’t trust any politicians after the last 8 years – who can blame them?
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where in that survey does it say anything about the last 8 years?
AND BY THE WAY…FOR ABOUT THE 500th TIME…DEMS CONTROLLED THE CONGRESS for the 2 YEARS BEFORE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it possible for you to admit that fact?
I offer an open challenge to you to say it!

@Louise, if you read my posts, you will see I do not favor Obama at all.
This being said, I will ask you one question:
1. DO YOU BELIEVE OBAMA’s Mother to be an American Citizen?

Calling them out,
No…it is just the liberal way…
“Do as I say, NOT as I do”

No buses, no funding, and certainly the grassroots are not being run by any organized group…How dare you disparage American citizens for speaking their minds? How dare you say we are FRINGE?
This is our country and we have the right to say that the leftists are not going to transform our country without our permission. The Alinsky crowd, progressive liberals, are using every nasty adjective to paint those that express opposing views as fringe. How dare you! Those that have done the bussing to agitate are affiliated with SEIU and ACORN and the democrats, not the grassroots people. How does it feel to have the silent majority no longer remaining mum? Our representatives are being told in no uncertain terms they won’t be lied to again. Podesta’s sending out his scripts to his minions on a daily basis. We don’t need a script…we are reading the darn bills and know what is in them. Most that are protesting know more about the bills than their elected representatives. When will the MSM start reporting the REAL issues rather than making up information? When will the MSM and ABC start objectively reporting? What happened to your integrity? Will your readers and viewers continue on a downward slope because you can’t figure out that the citizens won’t listen to propaganda and being negatively characterized by reporters with different views? If you hadn’t noticed, there are more independents and democrats removing their support because of the progressives ideas to change our US into a socialistic society. Keep on with this type reporting…we can see from the polls how that is working for you. Enough is enough. Stop attacking normal citizens with a different viewpoint.

Mike_C . ..
You were grasping at threads during the election trying to prevent Obama from getting elected – and now you’re grasping at threads trying to put the man down.
Once again, you fear mongerers are going down – just like in the election.

sorry Bridgette . ..
The American people . . . support many of the president’s goals, as follows:
* By 79-15, the public supports “Requiring insurance companies to sell health coverage to people, even if they have pre-existing medical conditions”;
*by 65-29, they support “Requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those who can’t afford it”;
*by 63-32, they support “Raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 and individuals earning more than $280,000”;
* by 61-33, they support “Requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance to their employees”;
* 52-37, they support “A government health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans.”
The American people are having trouble trusting the politicians (who would trust politicians after the last 8 years?), but the support the direction and the intent of the changes the President has outlined.

Wow, those people look scary…

Why don’t the Obama states all join together and have their own government run healthcare system? Anyone who can prove residence in those states will be taxed and have their healthcare run by a government bureaucracy. It’s worked out so well in California where they’re bankrupt. Now they want to force the same fiscal disaster on the rest of us who are sane enough to know that a government run economy will fail as it always has throughout history.

Why don’t the pro-socialist mobs join forces and create their own health insurance co-op? They can include their own hospitals, hire their own doctors and nurses and negotiate with the medical and pharma industry. Leave the rest of the sane people out of their disaster.Why are they fighting so hard to get a tiny lunatic fringe into their plan? If they really have 85% of the populations supporting it, then it should be a huge success.

I thought George Bush was a disaster for this country. But I have even greater distain for the Marxist policies of the current administration. President Obama insults American’s intelligence by attempting to drive legislation through without reasoned and mature vetting. He appears to see nationalizing as the answer to all problems. He wastes my tax dollars as if the fruits of my labors are his. So I will be at my local district townhall meeting if my Georgia representative has the courage to schedule one. I call to check every day. You see, Socialism will not stand in this country. It will not.

Keep it up…..when you cause people to lose all confidence in their government listening to them…..you’ll pay the price.

Anytime someone protests against the liberal view, they must be “backed” by some ‘evil’ right-wing entity.
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And anytime someone protests or pushes back against the conservative view– even the wacked out extreme who are calling in death threats to members of Congress (see Rep. Brad Miller), hanging effigies of Congressmen (see Rep. Frank Kratovil) and suggesting congress members commit suicide (see Senator Chris Dodd)– they must be fascist socialists who are trying to destroy the REAL America.

This is our country and we have the right to say that the Gov. is wrong. You don’t know if they we’re all Rep. or DEms. so stop the crap. It’s ok for Acorn to protest so don’t try and stop the USA pewople who are wanting you to hear us. You don’t hear us by email or by letters or phone calls so we have to now speak up loud. Obama has been lying to the people sence he stareted and now USA is Broke and oujr Grand kids will suffer even worse. This healthcare Bill will Distroy USA. Left-wing mob shuts down speech at Columbia University scarry. Why don’t we see this on TV? Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure.
Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts.
Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community organizations like ACORN.
PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.
pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no “judicial review” against Government Monopoly.
Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll.
pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don’t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income.
Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
PG 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241: Doctors—doesn’t matter what specialty—will all be paid the same.
PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc.—literally, the value of humans.
PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand.
Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors… end-of-life prodding.
Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people PG 429: “Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)
Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt. will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 42, of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose YOUR Health Care Benefits for you. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!
Pg 59, lines 21-24 – Govt. will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 72, Lines 8-14 – Govt. is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private Health Care Plans under Govt. control
Pg 84, Sec 203 HC bill – Govt. mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care Plans in the Exchange.
Pg 85, Line 7 – Specifics for Benefit Levels for Plans = the govt. will ration your Health Care!
Pg 91, Lines 4-7 – Govt. mandates linguistic appropriate services, i.e, translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 102, Lines 12-18 – Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. NO CHOICE.
Pg 203, Line 14-15 – The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax. (Yes, it says that!)
Pg 239, Line 14-24 – Govt. will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be affected
Pg 268, Sec 1141 – Federal Govt. regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 317, L 13-20 – OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt. tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 354, Sec 1177 – Govt. will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 341, Lines 3-9 – Govt. has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into the Govt. plan.
Pg 427, Lines 15-24 – Govt. mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt. has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429, Lines 10-12 – Advanced Care Consultation may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from YOUR GOVERNMENT!!
Pg 429, Lines 13-25 – The govt. will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
Pg 489, Sec 1308 – The govt. will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert govt. into your marriage.and family in your home
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing.
$500 billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first From p. 425 on the House Obamacare plan

The Audacity of Dope: Obama as The Joker
I just love that poster in L.A.

Mike_C . ..
You were grasping at threads during the election trying to prevent Obama from getting elected – and now you’re grasping at threads trying to put the man down.
Once again, you fear mongerers are going down – just like in the election.
LOL……Honey, READ ALL the Polls, NOT just the few numbers you like!
The Polls told you Obama wuld win in November. Now they say NO to this current healthcare effort.
Dig the liberal wax out of your ears, The American people are speaking.

I am proud to be a Brooks Brothers wearing protester. Have voted as an independent for the last 12 years and hate to see the media miss the message on this story. For the first time in a while, Americans are getting involved in the democratic process. The press should be aware of the fact that all walks of life are fed up with “Representatives” that are no longer listening to the will of the people. Please remember that our country and the foundation that made this democracy great, was created by “angry mobsters” Think of this as a government spending intervention. While the government gorges itself with taxpayer dollars, they dare call the people that are actually paying for their actions “an angry mob”
I think they missed the part that most people agree that health care needs to be reformed. If the current administration had not started off with a broken transparency promise, the American people might be a bit more tolerant of this debate.

I guess just because I oppose The democrats health care plan I am a right wing kook. What happened to freedom of speech and the right to dissent, or were we kooks right when predicting that we are heading towards socialism.

My father fought at Normandy and in the Battle of the Bulge…he and the hundreds of thousands of other men and women fought in horrible wars, and many died; they sacrificed that this great land remain free. Now, we have a govt. that is robbing us of our freedom just as if another country had defeated us…and now they dare call us mob members and claim that our actions are “manufactured” anger swhen we object to what we see happening here. We are Americans, no longer silent, no longer willing to give up any more freedom! I, for one, feel a renewed sense of patriotism and I WILL continue to show up at Tea parties and at town hall meetings….just for the record, I am NOT being led around by an organizer, nor is my anger disgenuine. I am simply an American schoolteacher who loves my country and who no longer will stand silently by and watch it be taken over by big govt. and burdened with out-of-control spending. I am simply a citizen of America…the land of the FREE! I want my country to remain free…as my father, and others, fought that she would remain!

Mark from atlanta, the baby issue has been debunked, other countries consider live birth different than we do.

I wonder how the London press back in the 1770′s charaterized a the Colonial liberty movement.
I bet it was as a small group of fringe kooks with no popular backing….

How dare the DNC take the position that these protests are one more example of the vast right wing conspiracy.
The DNC and this White House are on the threshold of really pis**** off the Heartland. They are insulting our intelligence and now they are tagging us as bought and paid for.
There are some great ideas out there to really fix this economy and our health care system. This Bill is not on the list. The Stimulus plan should never have been on the list either.
So where is the transparency? Where is the dialogue between the Dems and the Reps? Where is the change we can believe in?
If these guys don’t stop there is definetly going to be change out here – they are not going to like the results.

The so called health care reform looks more like another power grab.
1. Grab control over the insurance companies (and their assets).
2. Grab control over the health and life of the people.
3. Grab the control of medical practices (read: the businesses) from the rightful owners.
4. Grab more tax money.
Did I miss anything?

If Obama want so take away my choices of medical care, wants me to fund abortions, wants me fund the early death of the infirmed and aged, wants to nationalize our largest industries, confiscate my money and give it to someone else, and buy people cars with my tax money you are dam right I want to I want to destroy his “presidency”. Hey! Where’s the birth certificate? Where are your college transcripts, who funded your education? He said he would have the most transparent Presidency ever. He has done nothing but lie to us. IMPEACH OBAMA!

tweetybird193 – You are awesome. I read every word of your post. The truth remains that the devil is in the details.
Thanks
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | Aug 6, 2009 6:55:20 AM
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Anyone interested in how some of the claims made in that post (which match claims made in a mass email) go over with fact checkers, may want to google politifact “E-mail ‘analysis’ of health bill needs a check-up”

For people who want another picture of a town hall meeting, you may want to check out the editorial in the Napa Valley Register, a paper which endorsed McCain. While I do understand some of the upset over this– everyone has a right to voice their concerns–I also agree with the bottom line in the editorial in regards to the vitriol and catcalling and disruption (and I don’t mean all criticism or questions– I’m talking about the truly disruptive stuff, that stops actual meaningful debate). Here’s what they wrote:
“Monday’s event was out of character for Napa County political clashes, even hotly contested ones. In our view, most politically active people here have better sense than to debase the debate that way.
Unbridled anger is not a substitute for intelligent discussion. Catcalls are not replacements for hard questions and criticism.
For health care reform critics or anyone in political life to get their message across effectively, our message is that they should choose a more substantive and respectful approach.”

The message is loud and clear — we don’t want it!
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 6, 2009 2:04:51 PM
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Anonymous, If that’s your stance, I agree that message is getting across (although I would argue the reasons why and the arguments for that stance are getting completely lost) However, a lot of conservatives and independents– and some democrats, too– are saying they want reform but not THIS reform. They want different reform. I think a wide range of people with a wide range of opinions want to be heard and not shut out or shouted down by either Congress and the Admin on one side OR the angry crowds on the other.

I keep hearing that the people who are attending these townhall meetings should be more respectful. Strange, I don’t recall any of the Democats being respectful suring the previous Adminstration. THAT IS INCLUDING THE PRESS!!!!! I keep hearing how these are PAID aggitators. So, what were the crowds like ACORN, et al. doing the last few elections and are they being “respectful” of Sarah Palin and her family or former President Bush? I DON’T THINK SO!!!!!

Rachel said “You people are unbelievable. Finally, finally someone comes along who wants to help you, even just a little bit.”.
What?
My cost of living has increased significantly since Obama has taken office, and I only make $10 an hour. This is pure, unadulterated personal experience, so obviously I’m not arguing empirical data, but if he has my best interest at heart, why the hell am I always broke? If I refuse to take government handouts, and continue driving my 1989 Toyota, in a few years it will be nearly impossible to find parts for it. The alternative is to get further into debt by buying a new car. Why would I want to do that when I’m already in too much debt as it is? Frankly, you people are unbelievable. I like having choices, and I like to not be in debt, thank you very much. I don’t want to rely on the government to help me every step of the way because I absolutely hate dealing with sprawling pedantry and stupid, unconcerned public employees. Why would I want to deal with that? Why the hell is everyone so obsessed with power these days? Give it a rest, please.

What we currently see and hear is Americans saying no to programs they feel will weaken the Union. Americans were clearly ignored when the Stimulus bill passed. The American consenus was clear yet ignored. Town-Hall disruptions are the result of politicians voting contrary to their constutient’s wishes. Taxation without representation.