Gibbs on Birthers’ Theories: “You Couldn’t Sell This Script in Hollywood”

The Birthers now they are some serious NUTS what an Embaressement to the USA! and anyone that belives these NUT BAGS Are truly Mindless people how sad for our country these nutcases are running around!

Kind of like the national guard mob, government blew up the twin towers mob, kind of crowed Angie?

===how sad for our country these nutcases are running around!===
Maybe Obama should start a flag email for all the people spouting birther nonsense to be reported?

Of course you could sell it to Hollywood. They made 2 Tomb Raider movies as well as a sequel to Weekend at Bernie’s and Mannequin 2. Anything is possible.

“Those people that Believe the Goverment was Responsible for 911 are also Nuts an a Embaressement to this country as well like i said how sad these nutbags are running around!”
I agree, and while I believe the President was also born in the United States, and do think that allowing people to take pictures of the original would put this thing to bed. We know it’s there, just let some journalists go into the vault and take a picture of the front and back showing doctors signature and this thing can go away. I’m quite tired of BOTH sides using this as a football.

What is truely pathetic is the way the White House and ABC use this non-issue to slander ordinary americans that disagree with the president. This non issue is nothing more than the obvious attempt to distract from the real issues facing our country. Insane spending and Obamacare.

If you disagree if with Obama, you are an angry mob.
If you are a police officer, you are stupid.
If you are a doctor, you are a crook.
Who cares where this creep was born(Mombasa,Kenya) , he needs to go now!

“I’m quite tired of BOTH sides using this as a football.”
Are you kidding me? Way too much fun.

Mr.Gibbs From what I read of your comments before and after the election, you said the same thing about Mr. Obamas election to the Presidency.

Obama could say he was born on the moon and the O-bots would believe him.
Obama has told so many lies that rational Americans begin to doubt everything about him.
Examples:
I don’t want to run a car company
No lobbyiest in my administration
No earmarks
Tax cheat the best one to fix economy
I don’t want to saddle children with debt
Health reform won’t raise deficit
Unemployment won’t go above 8%
We rescued the economy
Why should we believe Obama.

president Barry should take away these crazy birthers health care. they don’t deserve it. i think we should flag them all to the disinformation czar. lock them up and throw away the keys.

GEORGE BUSH HAD REAL CLASS
HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

There’s obviously something about his long form vault certificate that Obama doesn’t want the public to see. Otherwise he would have voluntarily produced it a long time ago, and would certainly not have expended time and money fighting court battles intended to force him to produce it.
My theory: it will prove once and for all that there was no virgin birth. :)
Seriously though. Why doesn’t he just produce the thing and put the matter to rest? How hard is that? Jake, why don’t you ask Gibbs that question?

: Angie in PA —so how do you feel about acorn running around? Its america right? Everyone has the right to do, say, believe what they want no matter how idiotic it can be…correct?

You couldn’t sell this script to Hollywood??” DUH..PROBABLY NOT. Obama’s largest fan club is from Hollywood, who are surprisingly quiet of late….Wake up people..you want the Fonz and Richie, lame commercial as well as taking the general public to be complete fools, deciding who are our next President will be…VOTE the Right and Left Wing Parties out…

Gibbs may be breaching etiquette with the constant belittling of birthers from the WH, but he clearly has a point. These are kooks who do not accept reality and are stirring up unfounded fears among ordinary Americans. You have to push back in some manner.

BO punked 52 million people into believing he was a different kind of politician so why produce an original birth certificate?
He’s above the law.

Be careful what you say about Obama–he’s watching.

Gibbs: “You couldn’t sell this script in Hollywood.”
Absolutely correct, but not for the reasons Gibbs thinks. The reason Hollywood wouldn’t buy the script is because wacko left Hollywood will never buy ANY dissent against their Messiah. They bought scripts based on President Bush’s assasination, but to even criticize President Obama in Hollywood is pure heresy, let alone to base a movie on it.

One glance at the Kool-Aid drinkers here and I say they deserve Nobama Care.
As for the 250,000,000 Americans who DO have our own Health Care plans…..Keep your hands off us!!
You all are pathetic crybabies!!

Is there anyhope for anyone anymore?

For you fools who keep yammering about the ‘long form’ birth certificate, how about a reality check? Hawaii no longer issues ‘long forms’ and states so officially, i.e. there isn’t one to produce. Hawaii correctly considers the ‘long form’ to be very antiquated and has led the way to going entirely electronic. I recently had to get official birth certificates (I don’t have my original either–GASP!!!–I guess that means I wasn’t born in the US either!!!!) for myself and family for passport purposes and travel to Canada (before passport was required); it involved New York State, Wyoming, Vermont, and West Virginia–all four produced ‘certified certificates of live birth,’ NOT a ‘long form,’ which is obsolete. Border guards for Canada and USA had no issues with these and neither did the passport people. It’s a non-issue, people!!! Get a life!! You birther conspiracy theorists are just as whack-job nutty as the idiots on the left who insisted that 911 was an inside job from Bush-Cheney, or the fools who don’t think the moon landing was real. The things people waste their time on in this country when we actually have REAL problems to solve utterly amaze me and make me fearful for the future of our citizenry.

Posted by: Lazy | Aug 6, 2009 12:16:25 PM
Next everyone who turns their neighbor in will get a dead fish in the mail, signed Rahm.

@ Hrag……..what part of “ILLEGAL” don’t you understand?
If I smoke a joint on a street corner, that is illegal and I go to jail.
Someone in this country illegally is NOT an immigrant. As such they should receive no entitlements what so ever!!
ILLEGAL MEANS “ILLEGAL!!”
(PERIOD)

Posted by: jennifert7 | Aug 6, 2009 12:33:22 PM
Because they are Obama’s troops and they will do his dirty work for him, when he turns on one of them, that is when the curtain will fall.

Regardless of alleged conspiracy theories, the transparent president should have no reason not to share an original birth certificate, if nothing else, for historical purposes. The White House Press Corps needs to ask why Obama would not want to do so. He had to have some sort of birth certificate prior to June 2007 in order to get passports. Where is that document and why not share it with the public? The state of Hawaii says they have that original, although they don’t say that it proves he was born in Hawaii. All Obama has to do is give them permission to release that original birth record and the controversy should be ended.

: larry | Aug 6, 2009 12:34:20 PM—- As usual, what the heck are you talking about? You say things in absolutes.

CEE | Aug 6, 2009 12:26:19 PM – When I presented my short form birth certificate to the passport officer, she refused to submit my application stating that it was inadequate documentation. I was required to submit my long form birth certificate in order to have my passport application processed. ———— That is a lie! For my passport all I had to submit was my short form! It doesn’t change state to state! We went over this a couple of days ago and it was the same for all. Do you live in that mysterious 51st state that none of us have ever heard of but where even to buy groceries you all for some reason have your vaulted, long form BC with the foot prints? Is it the state of Birthers!?

Posted by: Lazy | Aug 6, 2009 12:51:52 PM
Good one!

Just because Obama is bankrupting us, polarizing us, limiting our freedom, and feels the need to apologize for us everywhere he goes
it doesn’t mean he wasn’t born here.
He’s Obama–he doesn’t have to prove anything.

Hollywood doesn’t have the guts to question anything about Obama.
To do so means getting blacklisted.
That’s why I respect those that do.
My eyes have been opened to the celebrities I used to like–thanks to Obama.

Anybody see the poll #s from today’s Quinnipiac poll?
Obama’s at 50% and sinking. He’s already underwater in several polls for health care.
Is it just a coincidence the Democrats are flailing around looking for right-wing boogeymen to blame for their failures to ram through their own legislation with their veto-proof majorities?
Nope. They need a “distraction,” and the best “distraction” they can manufacture is to “go out and get in their faces” (to use an Obama phrase) with top-down, astroturfing – giving marching orders to their cultists from the highest levels of the govt – from the White House and the DNC. And to boot, they’re opened a snitch network to have reported to them information on people and entities that do nothing more than disagree with their political policies so that they can be targeted by the Democrats.
You’re witnessing an administration beginning to crumble and break under the pressure of the real world. This isn’t Chicago. You can’t flip off half of the population of the USA repeatedly and not expect backlash in return. A community organizer of such “legendary” status should know this.
And now they’re getting backlash – at their phony townhalls where all they want to do is spout pre-approved talking point memos to the audiences without dissent, and they’re getting pushback in the polls (as independents back away).
They earned the scorn and ridicule and resentment they’re getting – the fostered and depend on it to divide and conquer. And they’re reacting like children to one-millionth of the treatment that the left and Democrats gave Bush for eight years.
By all means, Democrats, keep up what you’re doing.

This is a Gibbs distraction.
However Obama has spent over a million dollars in legal fees so the he does not have to show his birth certificate in long form.
Only an idiot would not wonder what this guy is hiding.
For those with short memories let me remind you John McCain was forced to show his long form certificate when dems in congress and at the DNC claimed he may not be a citizen because he was born at a foreign army base. They wanted to be sure he was delivered at the base hospital and not some off base private institution.
So Obama needs to show us his, you know he is hiding something when he goes to so much troublr to keep it secret.
Before you get looney understand I am not claiming he was born elsewhere, but he does seem to be spending a lot of money and time NOT showing the form.
Conspiracy theories are usually vague and nefarious this is something that could be cleared up quickly and easily, UNLESS Obama is worried about something.

“That was fine with you folks.”
Fine with quite a few Democrats too.

“However Obama has spent over a million dollars in legal fees so the he does not have to show his birth certificate in long form.”
That could have provided health care for many poor children.
But as was said before, spending lots of time, money and energy to hide something as basic and authentic as a birth certificate showing that Obama was born in the US means nothing. It simply isn’t important.

MNM | Aug 6, 2009 1:09:09 PM– However Obama has spent over a million dollars in legal fees so the he does not have to show his birth certificate in long form.—- No he has not! That has been debunked numerous times. So, since your saying it’s fact, prove it! As for the long form, even the Gov. of Hawaii a Republican has seen it. Hawaii VAULTS the
BC and doesn’t release them! I’m sure if they produced a copy you’d all want something else, the original, if that was produced you’d want to examine it yourself. It would never stop! He has produced the required documents every other PRESIDENT HAS. Why should he be held to a double standard?

Posted by: Try the truth | Aug 6, 2009 1:09:04 PM
No it wasn’t ok and it still isn’t. The difference is that Obama came in with the message that it wasn’t ok with him either and it turns out that not only is it ok, but he is taking the same not ok policies and putting them on steroids. Go read this freaking health care bill, the reach of the govt. into your private life is astounding, beyond astounding and even liberals are astounded by it. Lawyers jaws dropped when they read about his interpretation of the Patriot Act, it goes way beyond what Bush did. No the truth is that Obama was one big bait and switch and people are catching on to the switch and they don’t like it one bit.

“However Obama has spent over a million dollars in legal fees so the he does not have to show his birth certificate in long form.”
Nope. MNM is lying as usual.
Obama hasn’t even been the named defendant in most of the cases brough and even then all his lawyers have done is file motions to dismiss.
1 lawyer on the case is on record as saying he is doing this pro bono.
“For those with short memories let me remind you John McCain was forced to show his long form certificate when dems in congress and at the DNC claimed he may not be a citizen because he was born at a foreign army base. They wanted to be sure he was delivered at the base hospital and not some off base private institution.”
For those of you are wondering when this happened, don;t worry it never did MNM made it up.
There was no investigation, though the question was discussed in the press(NYT ran at least 1 article on it).
Pat Leahy asked the homeland security chief in a hearing if he thought McCain was a natural born citizen by virtue of his parents and they both agreed on that.
“Chairman Leahy. We will come back to that. I would mention one other thing, if I might, Senator Specter. Let me just ask this: I believe–and we have had some question in this Committee to have a special law passed declaring that Senator McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal, that he meets the constitutional requirement to be President. I fully believe he does. I have never had any question in my mind that he meets our constitutional requirement. You are a former Federal judge. You are the head of the agency that executes Federal immigration law. Do you have any doubt in your mind–I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he is constitutionally eligible to become President?
Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.
Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you. ”
Later the Senate issued a sense of the senate resolution declaring McCain a natural born citizen. That was intro’d by Leahy & McCaskill (cosponsored by Clinton & Obama) that was voted for unaminously.

So when Pres. Bush spied on Americans that was ok. They looked at your email, could tap your phones, even see what books you checked out of the library. That was fine with you folks. But, when asked to forward INCORRECT Health care reform rumors, so they can debunk them, OH, THE HORROR!”
Its classic right wing.
They could care less about freedom for the people.
All they want is the freedom for corporate profit.

“Its healthy to concoct elaborate fantasies with little basis in reality to foment hatred and fear?”
I don’t think we should change the topic of this dscussion to 9-11 truthers.

Ferrari5858 | Aug 6, 2009 1:24:33 PM- I’ve read them. ” the reach of the govt. into your private life is astounding, beyond astounding and even liberals are astounded by it.” What are you talking about, examples please? Not those spouted by Rush, but real examples. As for the the “Lawyers jaws dropped when they read about his interpretation of the Patriot Act, it goes way beyond what Bush did.” Really? Funny, I never heard that or read it, so maybe you can educate me. Is there a link or a site?

I wish someone would ask Gibbs what Hospital has the supreme honor of placing that Presidential Plaque on its doors (or perhaps the Hospital would change its name to that of Obama’s Mother, like the Hospital that birthed Jimmy Carter did). And I wish someone would ask Gibbs what Physician should be rewarded with his just place in History, due to having delivered America’s first Black President. GWB was delivered by Dr. Maggie Tyler and the Hospital has a two-page info packet detailing that historical birth for all Americans to share. Why is Obama the ONLY President who hides the Hospital and Physician, and what do we tell our children as to the reason they cannot know all about his birth?

Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 1:33:03 PM
Why is it your job to dispute anything anyone says? People can say whatever they want, last I looked it was still a free country. Isn’t it Obama’s job to be out disputing incorrect info? Oh, I forgot, he disputes something and it turns out he is a liar.
And why hasn’t the Patriot Act been repealed? I was hoping it would be when Mr. Hopey Changey came in but oh, lo and behold, the Democrats are finding it just as useful as the Republicans, maybe even more so because they can use it to compile their enemies list and send Rahm the attack dog out to quell dissent.

Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 1:43:36 PM
$14 and $70 million? Chump change if you’re Goldman. Fire the tax cheat at Treasury.

Ferrari5858 | Aug 6, 2009 1:43:13 PM—- They didn’t have to, the courts kept finding portions that are unconstitutional and over turned them. You really should keep up!

Maybe he was born here I don’t know but he is hiding something I just don’t know what, if not then why does he just not show the damn thing and be done with it!!!!

As usual, there is the official story, and then there’s the feverish howling of the misinformed and mentally incompetent. What better way to stifle objective examination of any controversial subject than to paint our complex world with such simple strokes? The premise of a humble, transparent government of and for the people dies NOT when patriotic citizens begin to question their leaders, but when they fail to do so. The core issue of the charmingly-named “birthers” is that of loyalties– to whom should a president be loyal? I personally don’t care where Obama was born. I do care that he apparently went to great effort to seal his school records, his medical records, his state senate history, his bar exam documentation and everything else he possibly could. I care that too many of his proposed and current cabinet members are tax cheats, crooks and liars. I also care that he has quickly and dramatically revealed his loyalty to the international bankers and not the citizens of this country. At the very least it shows craftiness and guile we don’t need in a guy with his finger on the ‘nuke it’ button.

This problem isn’t going away because at least half of the American public isn’t stupid. They smell a rat — why doesn’t the president respond to these allegations directly — if not with documentation, at least a statement telling us why he hides his info. He’s so sensitive to the needs of the people — well, various polls are telling us that millions of people are concerned about this matter.
Quite simply: Mr. President, we don’t trust you — we would like you to release some basic documentation about your background please. If you don’t do it, we’ll assume you don’t care about our concerns, or you’re hiding something.

If people question his birth, it’s probably a sign that they don’t trust anything about him.”
Hmmmmmm why do birthers seem to be predominantly Southern conservatives.
Could it be his race is what concerns these people far more than his paperwork and this is a way of expressing that without being outwardly racist?

The jpg of the alleged COLB has to this day not been authenticated by the state of Hawaii. They say they have an original birth certifocate. A June 2007 abstract does not = an original birth certificate. Obama had to use something prior to June 2007 to get passports. What did he use and why doesn’t he show the document(s).

Mr. Gibbs, do you think that Obama would want you to keep talking about the birthers all the time. The rest of us can talk about them because we believe the birthers. I really do not think Mr. Obama has got a free ride in the White House. When we get to court and prove that Obama was not a natural born citizen of the United States, he will be in prison for the rest of his life.

Speaking of paranoid nuts, why are there so many anti-birthers out there?? Gibbs said there are 10,000 other, more important issues. Shouldn’t Obama’s true believers spend their time on those issues instead of this one??
And once more, prior to June 2007, what document did Obama use to obtain passports?? Where is it and why does he not want anyone to see it??

Where is the documentation that the majority of ‘birthers’ are Southerners? It may be true, but I’d like some proof of it instead of having yet another insult/insinuation hurled at those who have the right to speak up against the current administration, proposed policies and broken promises. Let’s also see some proof of town hall meeting folks being “plants.” Put up or shut up.

We first heard from the birthers, with their fake “birth certificate” in hand and with their fake outrage. These are the same under tones that you saw from Republicans during the confirmation hearings for Sonia Sotomayor, “you are not like us” or “you are too different”, “you are not main stream”. And then they act surprised when people do not vote with them, they are lost, no core beliefs, too bad.
In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while at the same time trying to take away their rights) and that’s who they need to focus on if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.
It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown, Katrina, and the Walter Reed Scandal but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.

Anti-birthers, if this is a non-issue, why do you keep making excuses for the non-transparent president??
Second, it’s not impossible to get a copy of the original long-form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. Their state law obligates them to provide copies of these records upon request. The vital records director already acknowledged that an original birth certificate exists. It is available as soon as Obama gives the word. Why would he not want to do so, if nothing else, to give the poor HI DOH relief from those requesting the records??

Obama has shown his birth certificate. So where’s George W birth certificate.

The birther story really isn’t anymore ridiculous than the “Sarah Palin killed Micheal Jackson” theory, yet enough people believe that one too.
Who cares what people believe?

Hollywood is much more likely to buy the “Trig Palin is Sarah Palin’s grandson” script; they’re generally liberals, with all the hatred and intolerance that goes along with that.

Perhaps he had an earlier copy and lost it.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Perhaps his dog ate it.

Why not a movie about well-dressed elderly thugs that intimidate the president of the united states?

Oh if that birth certificate lists Obama’s race as white then the Democrats can no longer use their favorite excuse–calling opponents racist.
Obama would not have won the election.
No wonder he is hiding it.
It’s not about where he was born!

“Once again…all of you uninformed who keep saying ‘it would be simple for him to produce the long form,’ NO IT ISN’T…IT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!” The state of Hawaii no longer issues long forms and has officially said so.
Posted by: Jim | Aug 6, 2009 2:54:35 PM
What the state of Hawaii currently issues is not the question. What records the state of Hawaii has about Obama’s birth is.
The Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino is on record as saying that she has seen “the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health.”
THOSE records are the ones that Obama could authorize to be released, if he was so inclined. Which he is not.
There is definitely something he doesn’t want the public to know.
Janis Prinkalns is right. Not all “birthers” necessarily believe that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. A lot of us think something’s fishy about his refusal to make these records public, and think that the most transparent White Houses in the history of the universe ought to cough it up.

Politicians, their press secretaries and the media should know they need more than “because we told you so” to prove that Obama was born in the U.S. The Congress went to the time and trouble of putting together a resolution to call John McCain a natural born citizen, but for some reason it’s too much trouble for Obama to show a basic, original birth certificate. Why not just show it??

Citizen grand jury are like fantasy baseball teams…until they try to enforce their bogus decision then its treason.
Posted by: Ryan C |
And roses are like dump trucks until koala bears denounce progress.

Ironic that the issue at stake is Obama and no one is a better example of a Hollywood creation than, he of the foam pillars – fake halos – and his master the teleprompter.
Obama is completely Hollywood -total created image and demanding of applause for telling fake stories.

“The Certification of Live Birth is all Hawaii issues and all they have issued since 2001.”
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 4:35:15 PM
Of course, the issue isn’t what they issue now or what they issued in the past. The issue is that the Hawaii office of vital statistics has his original birth records. They are available and could be made public immediately with one word from Opaque Obama.
So, what’s the big secret?

Ryan C — If the Daily KOS posted it, it MUST be true right?? I think not.. If you want anyone to actually believe anything you say if factual, then get another source.
I am not a “birther” but I do know that it seems interesting that a simple request for the release of the document would end this debate, yet for some reason, the president not only refuses, but went to court to secure his right to NOT produce it.
Finally, My daughter was born in Portugal. Her original birth certificate is written in protuguese and lists all the importants facts and dates. When we brought her back to the US and had her legally adopted.. Guess what we now have.. a birth certificate written in English with the name WE gave her on it..
A post dated certificate of live birth is meaningless without the original to compare it to. IF the doctor has verified the original, then it exists.. I think American Citizens have a right to see it if they choose since it does prove whether or not he meets the legal requirements to be president.

Where did the GOP go wrong?
They never spoke truth to ignorance, because they had no truth;
They were expecting rational observations from those who believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old; who think they are superior to all others; who ignore or refute all the evidence contrary to their beliefs; who are blissfully and willingly ignorant of anything that opposes what they consider to be truth; they eradicated rational debate, encouraging input from those who are inherently emotional and logically inept in the face of any contrary argument; they hold no room for logical discourse and instead fan the flames of stupidity, for whom the demands of proof are met and ignored, but a complete lack of proof is lauded as the ‘proof’ itself.
Addendum to Sun Tzu art of war: When your enemy is in a deep hole give them more shovels.

The GOP went wrong with the promotion of ignorance. If you have an education, your elitist! They want to keep their base ignorant and easily frightened. I was raised Republican, but the old party that actually had values. Not the fear mongering, misinformation, hypocritical party of today. I found the teabag parties the saddest. The people protesting, didn’t have a clue. Most of their taxes would not increase, but the Republicans whipped up the base with misinformation that there they were, protesting. Not one tax increase had happened, the only tax increase may happen when the Bush tax cuts expire. Are you telling all of them make over $250K? There was a video of protesters at a town hall meeting. Yelling away, then the facilitator asked how many were on Medicare, almost every hand went up. What the heck do they think they’re now? It’s sad. The people who could use the most help are the ones fighting. Southern Republicans! Funny Gov. Jindal opposed the stimulus but made a great photo op of going out and handing out checks. They haven’t figured out the New Repub party is all about having a lower class. It’s not socialism to give everyone an equal chance. But they can’t see or inform themselves independently! They say we, Obama supporters drink kool aid, what’s their excuse? Sad.

First I belive the president is a natural born US citizen.
Now, why will they not release the actual original Hospital version, not a computer printed version with just the highlights.
It exists, the HI Governer says that she has seen it and confirms that it exits and is real.
So by producing it, it will put an end to all of this “Birther” chatter and we can get back to the discussion of why more then 60% of democrats when asked about their view in a poll that President Bush had prior knowlege about 9/11. So who is crazy now….
Joe

Joe Smith | Aug 6, 2009 7:37:46 PM- Because he has presented what is required by law. He has presented what every other President has. Do you think he should be held to a double standard? Whatever he releases the birthers will say it’s forged, as they have in the past. They said the state of Hawaii lied, so? It won’t end.

To: Try the truth, You don’t have to be a natural born citizen to get a passport, a driver’s license, or to prove residency to get a job. But you do have to be a natural born citizen to be eligible to become President of the United States. Back in 1961, it was possible for a baby born outside of the United States to be issued a birth certificate by the state of Hawaii.

bartlebee | Aug 6, 2009 8:12:47 PM — So, what are you saying birther person? Everyone born in Hawaii in 1961 is not a natural born citizen? FYI all you need to get a license, passport and to be eligible to be President of the United States has been provided by President Obama, so your point is? Are you saying, the CIA, NSA, FBI, Homeland Security, both houses, both the DNC and GOP, the Clinton and McCain campaign, the head of vital statistics in Hawaii and the Republican Gov. are all lying? And you birthers know more? ok

Can anyone out provide the exact street name/number, city and state for Barack Obama’s birthplace? Can you cite your source?
Don’t use Wikipedia as it states that it cannot vouch for the accuracy of information contained in their own site.
Please leave your insults at home.
I don’t care which way this story lands, I just want the truth.
Barack Obama is the only president in modern times for which we do not have the exact location of his birthplace.
I find that strange indeed.
Thank you for your time and effort.

Fred C Dobbs | Aug 6, 2009 9:42:13 PM- Can you provide all that information on Pres. Bush, Pres. Clinton, Pres. Bush 1 and Pres. Reagan? President Obama was born in Hawaii, the Republican Gov. has verified it, so your issue is?

Let’s try this again…
Lol – look at the Obama Supporters trying to explain this away! They are in a virtual tizzy trying to convince people that Obama should not have to show his birth certificate, his education records, his medical records or his senatorial records and by all means, lets not forget that pesky passport! This tickles the heck out of me, because obviously, these pitiful explanations just ain’t working.
We all know that he has no justifiable reason to withhold them. If one or two of those items were missing, people might not have a problem. But Obama has removed all of them! Now, just what in the heck do you think this guy is hiding? He has spent almost a million bucks paying lawyers to keep those papers hidden or sealed – well, no wonder people are suspicious.
Obama supporters need to stop being mad at people because they question the One. Where is all the hope, change and unity those guys were talking about would happen if Obama got elected? Lol – where is the love??? And what happened to that transparency thing? I remember Obama promising us that. What? He thought transparency should be applied to everyone except him??? How silly.
Now, before you even start – all the name calling and insults are not necessary, they definitely will not stop the questions, so just get over that. Racism doesn’t have anything to do with it either, nor does a person’s party affiliation. Calling us ignorant doesn’t work very well either – and you sound desperate when you do it. Ah, the art of distraction. (Psst, it’s not working! :D)
Understand that The Transparent One is not being very transparent and people are just calling him on it. That is our right as American citizens – especially since our tax dollars pay his salary.
Of course, if Obama is all his supporters say he is, he should have no problem showing those documents. – right??
Yes, I thought so.
Remember – the truth will out in the end. It always does. :D

I find it strange that no hospital in Hawaii is proudly touting itself as Obama’s birthplace. Not even a plaque.
You would think with Obama being historical as the first black president, the birth hospital would want to proudly publicize and display that fact.
Interesting.

I guess the birthers is like the people that believe Al Gore won in 2004…

TO ALL “BIRTHERS”:
One of the best lines from the movie, My Cousin Vinnie is when Joe Pesci, after questioning a witness says, “I’m finished with this guy.”
That is exactly how we should now look at Robert Gibbs. We’re finished with him. He is obviously part of the Machiavellan political class.
I pity the innocent defendant who would have him in the jury box. People who think as he does either lack the morals or volition to discern between circumstantial and empirical evidence.
Along the same lines, it interesting and frustrating to read comments such as Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, “the governor of Hawaii said so.” That is not evidence and it not proof. I believe that in court of law that type of logic is considered conjecture because the party being quoted does not have firsthand knowledge to support his assertion.
I can’t allow myself to get irritated any further by Robert Gibbs. My attitude from now on is:
I’m finished with this guy.
Next!

I know exactly who you are talking about. Here is his name.
Iraqi Information Minister: Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (M.S.S.)
I say we now refer to Gibbs as “Muhammed”.
Anyone have a better name?

BIRTHERS VS. ABORTERS
Let’s refocus the terminology. If I’m a BIRTHER, than those who are satisfied with Mr. Obama’s obfuscation and secrecy should be considered ABORTERS because they abort the search for truth before it can see the light of day.

For those who claim that Hawaii officials have attested to his birth certificate. Try that same line of reasoning on a police officer the next time you get pulled over. “Gee officer my mother has seen my drivers lic and she will attest to it’s validity”

That comment about Baghdad Bob is great. I’m not kidding a- that is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read Mr. Gibb’s latest quote in reference to the birth debate.
That is “spot on.”

THERE’S NO CONSPIRACY!!!!
A conspiracy requires a group of people working together. I’d be willing to bet that NO ONE had ever asked for Mr. Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate before this controversy arose. Who would have cared? Does the school secretary at your school do a complete background check.
Does the DMV or registrar of voters?
Of course not!
They take the document you give them, copy it, file it, check a box on some form, and move on.
When Mr. Obama wanted to run for office,they asked for his BC, and presented what the state of Hawaii had sent him. They took it, copied it, filed it, checked some box, and moved on.
Mr. Obama wanted a passport. He had already gotten a background/security check, so the BC he showed to the State Department was okay. If you’re pushing papers, would you care? Of course not. He’s a senator – just give him the passport. They checked the BC he presented, accepted it, copied it, filed it, checked some box, and moved on.
There’s no conspiracy. If you get paid $20-30,000 a year are you going to accept reasonable documents or ask for the “long-form” BC? We all know what happens. “It looks official to me. I don’t have the authority to question its validity.”
That’s how millions of illegal workers get on the payrolls. People do things out of convenience, to make the workday and their lives simpler.

I have a better idea that will stop all of this nonsense, one way or the other. Let’s take the President at his word and accept the fact that the Certification of Live Birth (COLB)is adequate enough to qualify him for the presidency. Having said that, why don’t a good lawyer agree to take this case because if the president wants us to accept the COLB then it clearly shows that he is “ineligible” and otherwise “unqualified”, therefore, he is a “Usurper”, based upon the US Constitution. Obama is ineligible and unqualified due to his father (as stated )on his COLB is “African” and not American, therefore, he is not “natural born citizen” but possibly a citizen! So, let’s take the president at his word and accept the COLB and demand that he unASS the White House immediately!

That should be “thou” :-).

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Again, there is not a SINGLE journalist who’s worth their salt and will publish Obama’s long-form birth certificate.
We may never get this evidence because all mainstream journalist treat this with the professionalism of Jerry Springer.
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Journalism is dead. “Journalist” are a now opinionists.

We don’t need a birth certificate. We already know enough to disqualify him – a natural born citizen needs both parents to be citizens. He could have been born in the White House and still be disqualified.

No one can produce the birth certificate until Obama gives permission. That’s the law in Hawaii. O’Reilly and MNSBC claim they got the birth certificate from Hawaii and confirm he was born there. That’s not possible as it is against Hawaiian law to release it. If by some long shot they did, then they have a responsibility to produce it. So far neither one has! That says a lot for their honesty in this matter.
Someone should file a Freedom of Information Act claim against the Democratic Party demanding all information on how they vetted Obama and signed off for him. I think Pelosi would be the person responsible for signing off.

Obama said he was born in Hawaii – and I believe him.
Obama said he was born with governance by British Law – and I believe him.
Obama stated in a speech that he is a Citizen of the World – and I believe him.
How can a self-proclaimed Citizen of the World (one who pledges NO allegience to ANY nation) governed at birth by British Law, be a natural born citizen of the US?
Some say his British citizenship expired on his 21st birthday…but that SHOULDN’T have to happen…there should be NO doubt as to his citizenship at birth or at age 21. If he was a natural born citizen there would be NO other citizenship than that of US citizenship.
You can poopoo this issue and say – he is as American and you and I. But then, my response to that is…I’ve never travelled to Kenya (the land of his father) to campaign for a paternal relative who happens to believe in Sharia Law. I wouldn’t do that, because as a Natural Born Citizen, both my maternal and paternal parents are US Citizens – so my allegience is simple and without question – United States.
You can poopoo this issue and say – well, he wasn’t acting out of loyalty to his father. But then my response to that is….perhaps then he believes in the very Un-American ideal of Sharia Law as evidenced by his appointment of Harold Koh as a legal advisor. Koh not only believes in Sharia Law, but also the very Un-American ideal of TRansnationalism. If you don’t REALLY know what these terms mean – I would invite you to look them up.
So….can be we 100% certain, given not only the facts (Kenyan father), confession (Citizen of the World) and Obama’s own actions (travelling to Kenyna) that he has one and only one allegience – that of the United States?
The unfortunate answer to that is no. He may be as American as Apple Pie and as pure as the driven snow – but by his own heritage, words, and actions we have no way to know that 100%.
I believe Obama – do you?

Barack Obama is the only president in modern times for whom the exact location of his birthplace has not been given.
With all the back and forth you would have thought that a hospital would have placed a plaque celebrating that event on the front of the building.
One side cannot prove that he was born outside the United States.
The other side cannot prove that he was born in the United States.
If there is proof why would someone choose to keep it a secret?
I think it makes for good entertainment.

“I followed the kink to the purported birth certificate. The certificate number has been redacted, and the bottom of the document states that any changes invalidate the document. So the document ON ITS FACE is invalid. Yet people asking for an original, valid cert are nutz?”
Yes but since the redaction happened on the image it would not affect the document. That was done by the staffer who posted it on fight the smears because they thought there was some privacy issue with the number.
Both factcheck.org and Politifact inspected the physical document and took pictures with the number left in tact.

Ned wrote: “I followed the kink to the purported birth certificate. The certificate number has been redacted, and the bottom of the document states that any changes invalidate the document.”
Ned, next time click on the link instead of the kink. From there, go to the Factcheck home page and do a quick search for the full article about the Obama birth certificate. It comes complete with half a dozen images, sans redactions.
So tell me Ned, how thoroughly did you investigate that oceanfront Arizona property before you bought it?

Let’s clear up a muddled point: If you are born in the US, you are a US Citizen. It doesn’t matter if your parents were US citizens, or how long they lived here. Those qualifications apply to NATURALIZATION of someone who was NOT born in the US. So if you were born while your American Citizen parents were in a foreign country, those rules would come into play to qualify you as a NATURALIZED citizen. However, if you were born in the US, you ARE a natural-born citizen, so all of those points about parents citizenship/residency are MOOT.

The Wall Street Journal misses the obvious. He is not a natural-born citizen because his father was not a US citizen. If was born in Hawaii, the best he can be is a citizen – not natural-born. If he wasn’t born in Hawaii and doesn’t have naturalization papers, he is here illegally.

Born in another country and becomes a US Citizen = Naturalized Citizen
Born in US regardless of parents citizenship = Citizen
Born is US with both parents citizens = Natural-Born Citizen – loyalty only to the US with no dual citizenship.
Why distinguish in the Constitution between citizen and natural-born citizen if there is no difference?

Majik Imaje, TexGent and countless other birthers claim that Obama has spent hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars on lawyers to keep his birth information hidden.
Where are you guys getting your information?

“So why doesn’t Obama release the original certificate? The Advertiser says it is “unclear” whether the president “would even be allowed to see it if he asked.”
Posted by: smrstrauss | Aug 7, 2009 3:59:25 PM
ROTFLMAO x 10

Some people may buy Giggling Gibbs’ act, but not thinking people.
Gibbs knows good and well that what he keeps referring to as “his birth certificate” is the 2007 printout supposedly from the State of Hawaii, not what was issued shortly after Obama’s birth. He and other “birther” bashers are deliberately misstating their claims, with the silly “The newspapers were in on the conspiracy in ’61″ nonsense.
Now that Hawaii Health Director Chiyome Fukino has reiterated that they DO have the original 1961 document in their files (contrary to CNN’s “investigation”), there’s no reason NOT to release it. She says ‘I’ve got it, I’ve seen it, and it says he was born in Hawaii.’ After the release of the Nordyke twins’ 1961 Hawaii birth certs just hours after Obama was supposedly born in the same hospital, we know *exactly* what it is supposed to look like.
So why NOT release it? “I don’t have to, I’m the President?” That’s pretty petulant, considering that millions of Americans want to see it.
I remember Bill Clinton’s press flack Mike McCurry the day Clinton he gave his infamous remark “I did not have sexual relations with that woman — Ms. Lewinsky…” Longtime Slick watchers knew there was tons of wiggle room in those words, but McCurry waved away queries for clarification by saying “I will not parse the statement” about six or seven times.
There were Clintonites who came out and said “We believe the President!” when Clinton insisted there was no hanky-panky between he and Lewinsky (most memorably Madeleine Albright, which makes you wonder what Kim Jong Il told her that she believed). All of those folks had egg on their faces after Clinton confessed that Monica was telling the truth about what was … well, y’know.
I wouldn’t care one whit about this either way if he wasn’t hiding a document that could either prove or disprove whether or not he’s following the Constitution he swore to uphold on January 20th. And this is someone who was once a Constitutional lecturer at a university. He can’t claim ignorance.
Barack Hussein needs to learn the lesson Saddam Hussein learned the hard way: If you have nothing to hide, QUIT HIDING IT!

L.N.Smithee
You’re the exact type of person that I was talking about. Your arguments are measured, clear, logical, and entirely reasonable.
You don’t seem to be a racist, right wingnut, conspiracy kook. Clearly, you are none of those things.
I’ve said this type of thing in several comments: if I were accused in a court of law, and innocent. I know what type of person I would want on the jury.
I would be happy to have you there.
Would I want Robert Gibbs there? No way!

Your comments about video are interesting. Last night on O’Reilly’s “talking points” he showed a montage of the town hall meetings. Then commented that insults and personal attacks should not be used.
Then I watched his montage again – aside from the man calling his representative a lier, the rest of the “attacks” were legitimate questions or comments about HEALTH CARE.
With regard to the “birthers” debate – it must be part of the “bell curve” that a certain portion of the population is highly susceptible to being swayed by propaganda. Both camps are out in full force.
It is the rest of us in the middle who will decide these debates. At least that is what I hope.

RE: WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL
From what I have read, the laws at the time of Mr. Obama’s birth were less clear with regard to citizenship. Yes, we have the 14th Amendment, but if that was passed to apply to other historical circumstances.
Nevertheless, if they were to analyze “birther” arguments, in their effort to put the issue to rest, then they would address ALL salient points with regard to Barack Obama, Sr.’s citizenship and the “wild rumors” in that regard.
They don’t. Which tells me that they are really appealing to the political crowd, saying in effect that this could really hurt us Republicans.
They miscalculate because this is not merely a political debate. This is not Republs and Dems having an ideological arguments.
This is a legal argument. Politics seems to be driving the decisions of the ruling class, but there are plenty of us out here in America who could care less about the two wings of the political party scoring points against each other.
Before there were political parties, there was a nation. To the nation is where my loyalties lie.

Re: “Do some research, educate yourselves to what Natural Born meant back in 1787 when the Founding Fathers added it as a requirement for the office of POTUS. Added it when they themselves were not eligible to be President under their new requirement, Natural Born. They had to add “unless you are an US citizen at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”, in order for the first 10 Presidents to hold office being none of them were Natural Born American Citizens.”
It is YOU who should do the research as to what the law was at the time of the Constitution.
Your reference to the first 10 presidents not being Natural Born Citizens is simply wrong. The laws in the US colonies were that anyone who was born into a colony became at the moment of birth BOTH a citizen of the colony and a subject of Britain.
The Declaration of Independence took the subject part away, but it did not take the citizen part away.
And all of them were Natural Born citizens of the colonies at the time. Natural Born simply meant that they were born in the colony regardless of the number of parents.
So, why did they add the part that allowed people who were born before the Constitution to still become president even though they were not Natural Born? Because they wanted to allow at least one very important person who was NOT born in a US colony to become president–Alexander Hamilton (He was born in another British colony, the island of Nevis, but that did not count as one of the 13 of course.) So that is why they inserted the clause. They did not worry about themselves, they all were Natural Born Citizens.
As to the allegation that to be a Natural Born Citizen you must have two US parents at the moment of birth. That is simply not true. The law at the time of the writing of the Constitution was that Natural Born simply meant born in a colony regardless of the number of parents who were citizens.
And that is why such prominent Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

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