GOP Senator: White House Encroaching on First Amendment

Most of the disinformation seems to be coming directly from the White House itself. How do I flag Obama? (“ummm…i didn’t know that that was in the bill, but, ummm, i promise, ummm, you can be ummmm sure that ummm, i’ll never ummm signe a bill, ummmm…..”). He swears that the bill is “okay”, but he has absolutely no idea of what is in it. How’s THAT for disinformation??? I guess he’ll have to find another scumbag tax evader to assign as the “Flag Csar”..

Who is having their 1st admendment rights violated? Nobody is stopping folks from sending e-mails, but the Republicans are trying to stop me from forwarding spam to whoever I want.

Mark from Atlanta
Your exercise of free speech is not at issue. What is at issue is the government asking you to “flag” others speech and report it to the government. Do you not understand the distinction?

So LIZ,
You would have been OK with others flagging e-mails regarding protesting the war in Iraq and sending them to the Bush White House to determine if they were accurate and/or to refute them? At least be honest about it.

Why must Republicans always result to the absurd? It is not a violation of first amendment rights to call a liar a liar and to hold them accountable for their lying if it causes damages to another individual. I see nothing wrong here…only Cronyn’s absurd assertion..

Why not! This administration has already attacked the 2nd and 14th Amendment to the Constitution, and Congress totally ignores the Constitution of the US. Add one more. And no wonder we are in the mess we are in right now. It has nothing to do with party lines. But I have sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution of the US. I thought they did also.

Obama requests that people to let them know when questionable, or inaccurate, information is being circulated regarding health care reform. This is a request and is NOT a LAW and does not threaten the First Ammendment— as suggested by Cornyn.
There is a BIG difference and there is BIG MONEY at stake here. I wonder how many contributions Cornyn receives from the Big Money interests (Insurance Companies, etc) for his support.

****……”So LIZ,
You would have been OK with others flagging e-mails regarding protesting the war in Iraq and sending them to the Bush White House to determine if they were accurate and/or to refute them? At least be honest about it.
Posted by: Kelly | Aug 5, 2009 2:54:52 PM”………..**_____________________Bush did not request (at least publically). He did it behind our backs. In fact we do (yet) not know what information was collected on private citizens and is now stored in the Bush-Cheney “security” database.

“Stop your blind loyalism!” – I am not a Democrat and I dont like the administration’s education proposals, but I do support health reform, particularly the option to buy insurance through the government. No “blind loyalty” here, but a willingness to look at each proposal based on its merits, without an automatic “No!” just because the idea comes from the White House. Some people just seem to be driven by ideology or an intense hatred of Democrats. We need to rise above that for the good of our country.

The Privacy Act of 1974 provides that agencies will maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless:
Expressly authorized by statute
Expressly authorized by the individual about whom the record is maintained or
Pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity

“I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House.”
Well, for one thing, it would have probably crashed the internet, based solely on the volume…….

Kelly – You bring up some good points, but do you think that Cornyn really gives a darn about our 1st amendment rights? Take a look at his voting record on civil liberties issues (google ACLU scorecard). Of course this is about health reform – look at all the PAC money Cornyn and his cronies have accumulated.

The media has attacks US citizens who voice their opposition to THE MEDIA’s candidate, Barack Obama. A few months ago, Jake Tapper reported that Obama had his “grassroots army” going door to door to convince people about the merits of the Obama health care plan. They were showing up at people’s door to try to brainwash them. Jake didn’t call them mobs, much has he didn’t label anti-war protestors, Iraqi shoe throwers, pie throwers, Code Pink, etc. as “mobs”. This is an attack on white people. They would never dare label a group of minorities a “mob”.

Cornyn is conveniently forgetting the Bush administration’s “free speech zones” policy. Whereby when Bush would make an appearance, protesters would be corralled in an area miles away from the venue where they could protest to their hearts’ content. Cornyn is just mad because he’s out of a job as administrative “rubber stamp” for all of the previous admin’s failed policies.

“Think for a moment. Of course you can send e-mail to whomever you choose. The point is the GOVERNMENT should not be asking citizens to report other citizens speech to the GOVERNMENT. Again, put the shoe on the other foot and imagine this request was sent to conservatives to turn in e-mails written by liberals.”
So what? What do you think is going to happen? Some government agents are going to show up at your house and confiscate your computer, or throw you in jail? You will be branded “anti-government”, or publicly flogged? If the White House wants this information in order to respond to it, what’s the problem? Personally I don’t give a rat’s arse if some Conservative wants to read any of the anti-Conservative stuff I’ve written over the years. It seems to me like Cornyn is making much ado about nothing…..

I just cannot believe the change we got.

Bush and Cheney did this on a regular basis. They tracked individuals, groups, businesses all the time. They did this through telecommunication companies without warrants or supoenas. Dallas, Texas and area were under 24/7 surveillance listening to wireless conversations, picking up chatter, etc. So if Cornyn allowed this for Bush and Cheney, then the same should be allowed for this administration.

Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, Alamosa went with Bush.Cheney’s orders since they were being monetarily rewarded for their participation. This is public information.

Typical right wing tactic. The White House is clearly not denying anyone their right to free speech. Indeed, the White House is supporting the right to free speech by saying speak freely to us. Every politician wants to hear from its constituents. Are we going to impose a moratorium on communications to politicians that are reporting falsehoods? Certainly not. And as far as free speech goes, the 1st Amendment DOES NOT grant anyone the right to make fraudulent statements. Bottom Line: The repubs want to be able to lie and mislead this country with impunity, and the White House is showing the brass to call them out on it. Well done President Obama.

Mark from atlanta | Aug 5, 2009 4:13:06 PM
….Weren’t we promised “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”?

Elle | Aug 5, 2009 4:28:30 PM….Are you equating alleged ‘gathering of terrorist data’ to gathering info on those opppsed to Obama care?

***…….”Mark from atlanta | Aug 5, 2009 4:13:06 PM
….Weren’t we promised “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”?
Posted by: deanbob | Aug 5, 2009 4:37:02 PM”…….**
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I liked my doctor but was not able to keep my doctor under my current health coverage plan. That said, I realize that despite the erosion in my coverage is better than no coverage at all. I predict that my current plan will continue to erode as medical prices continue to spiral upward. Eventually the cost of my insurance will effectively mean that I have no medical insurance against bankruptcy, if I was faced with a catastrophic illness..

Those who intentionally target the elderly spreading fear with their half-truths and out and out lies in order to stop healt care reform ARE TERRORISTS!!!!

Obama is going to put you in a work camp if you are effective at opposing his political goals and ambitions. He’s a Stalinist plain and simple.

Everyone who has taken monies from their parents above gifting allotments have taken from private pay. They have worked down the assets of their parents or relatives to keep the family fortune in play. Working the assets down to Medicaid or VA benefits levels is the motive. Therefore, those families have robbed private pay, which in turn, has caused a huge rise in health care costs. This practice is mainly done by Republicans and the financially wealthy individuals. So, if you wonder why your health care premiums keep going up and up and up, just as one of your Republican citizens in your local area. Ask they if they inherited the family fortune in order to get their parents on Medicaid. Are Republicans for less government or for you to be duped and have to pay their bills for them to continue holding the assets?

Very “Orwellian” of the Obama administration. Scary.

Lolwut?! And to think I was more concerned over the 2nd amendment… I should have been looking out for the first!
Of course, I didn’t fall for the Cash for Clunkers disclaimer. I guess they don’t own my computer…yet…

I plan to send the White House all their lies I find out there–how about that? They certainly qualify as fishy.

I guess this was first used in Germany when the government asked its citizens to reports dissenters.

Lee, this administration is much better than what we had. Just because you and your COC relatives aren’t in the driver’s seat controlling everyone you are very upset. Stop placing your religious beliefs onto everyone else. We don’t want to be Church of Christ. Your religion is just a marketing tool to use to get vulernable individuals lured into your brain washed religion. America has Freedom of Religion, and we choose what faith we want, not yours to satisfy your inabilities to control your own problems. Get a clue. Read the Constitution, please, bill of rights and articles to the Constitution since it appears you need to be reeducated.

The difference dear readers is that this speaks similarly to the days of the McCarthy era – Are you now or ever Been” but that’s right they don’t teach history anymore.. that’s why many of us are concerned for our country’s liberty and others are in a cloud of liberal socialistic utopia…

If you read the ENTIRE request, it’s pretty obvious that they are asking you to “flag” the content (i.e., the “rumors”) of the emails, not the senders. The administration wants to get a better idea of the range of opinions on this issue, and it’s perfectly legitimate to ask for help in collecting that kind of information.

Big brother is watching! So my for the Privacy Act of 1974. This is all part of Rules for Radicals people….now to start looking over your shoulder…not.

Another example of liberal hypocrisy is full bloom.
I love you guys. “Dissent” was the highest patriotic act only a few short months ago.
Now – Report it to your Central Planners.
Total hypocrisy – modern liberalism
Perfect together!

Obama Resume:
Community Organizer
150 days in the Senate
Elected President of the United States
Increased Unemployment to 9.5%
Killed 2 million jobs
Inflated Nations defict from $454.8 Billion to $1.8 Trillion
Expertise in making apologies abroad and not keeping promises at home

The key point is this: The government is asking people to flag the free speech of others and forward it to them. They even created a special account for you to report on your neighbors. If you don’t understand why that is disturbing you are either not thinking clearly or just an idiot. The government should NEVER actively recruit you to “report” questionable free speech to a special account. What is wrong with you people? It is wrong no matter who does it, what party, or for any reason.
As for the health care bill- for heaven’s sake you MUST read it yourself. PLEASE. Then YOU will know the TRUTH for yourself. Don’t be a bumper sticker for ANY party. You’re better than that, aren’t you?
Here is one place that is gathering people to work together to read the bill. It admittedly has an “anti” bias, but still the truth is the truth- and all pages and sections are directly pointed to.

What does the government plan to do
with this information?

Why oh why can’t people put aside their political differences and LOOK at what is happening???? Before you just spout off at the mouth, compare the two sides? Would this have been acceptable if a conservative was doing it? Would this have been acceptable if a liberal was doing it? Look at both sides. The political morons running this country (545 for 300,000,000 people), are leading all of us around by the nose, and we’re letting them do it. These are “professional” politicians. They are NOT one of us.They are NOT working stiffs like us, most of them have NEVER been in a real job, so therefore do NOT know what the real world is all about. They have no clue how to live in our real world.
Whether you are conversative or liberal, right is right and wrong it wrong. Quit just following the party, or you’re not going to have a choice.

This is not an automatic knee-jerk reaction to Obama’s request. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue. This is about the American People so stop being so vitriolic.
For the White House to ask for emails to be forwarded them to be flagged is unheard of but I don’t care. I am not bothered if the White House knows I don’t support its policies. They know it! I’ve emailed the White House many times. That is my right.
Truth about the issue: The President and many others, support a Single-Payer System that is in this bill.
That’s all I need to know and noone forwarded me an email to say that. He has stated it on many occasions. Its not a mystery.
I do not want a Single-Payer Healthcare System and don’t support a massive push to get it through without even being fully written yet.

You tell me, what would have happened if President Bush had asked that all emails that were critical of the war in Iraq be forwarded to his “truth police?”
An unholy hell, that’s what.

Well said Dave. I’ll bet the Nixon “enemies” list is much smaller than the list of people on Obama’s radar screen. He has a little over half the population of the country in his sights.

There is something fishy alright and it’s the smell coming from the Whitehouse.

There are people here who have no idea of history and the slope that they slide down. There are people who do not care that other’s rights are being violated, only their own group’s rights. This is not new in history. Check out Europe in the 1930′s. Not a time to celebrate or emulate.

Just remember how good the country’s
large metro government school districts are. This will shed light on how your government health care will be administered.
You say you don’t like your plan or doctor, ha! You won’t have a choice!
Old and on dialysis, you better hope you don’t get Alzheimers, the Obamacare folks want to pull the plug on you and your medical treatment.
Over 60 and need a bypass or a stint, sorry you lived long enough.
We (the Gov’t) don’t have enough resources for you, we need to take care of Pablo and Maria and their seven children who just came here from Guatemala and need treatment for their allergies and immunizations, sorry Mr. Jones.

I don’t know why any conservative would be surprised that this adminstration would ask for something like this. It is so in line with their whole way of thinking. Weren’t the same tactics encouraged during the time of Soviet Russia? All in the name of truth. Well, this adminstration only wants their version of the truth handed out. As far as they are concerned anything that doesn’t agree with what they say or think no matter how well researched and proved is NOT the truth. I think the tails are turned on the Libs and they can’t stand the fact that we aren’t all slurping down the kool-aid the way they have.

I hope you liberals are all extactic that you electic a Micromanager in Chief. I guess wrongly interjecting his power of office to mediate a dispute between a municiple police officer and private citizen wasn’t enough for Obama. Now he wants to make sure he has a chance to flame anyone sending chain e-mails counter to his political agenda. You think he’ll call Comcast for me and negotiate a free month of HBO? My God, what a juvenile, narcisistic, ego-maniac we have in White House.

Okay, so flag me.. when the basis for care will be underwritten by the government based upon gender, age, occupation, and income.. it seems to be the insurance policy you will get from the government will ask you to bend over and pay based upon all of the above. If you can’t or won’t then you will be waiting in line till you end up going to Canada because their lines are shorter since they no longer will be coming to the USA for care.
The risk management of healthcare is not a serious set of sound bites as the government would have you believe. It takes alot of understanding and certainly not the quick quirky bites that we have been given to fully grasp the 1100 pages of what their intentions are.. if they were that simple the document would be one-page and everyone would be clear.
I guess that would constitute a red-flag but in a different country based upon our history.
We need to reform ourselves and make sure who we elect is looking out of us not their own interests.

A few things to temember: email is really public and not private or privileged speech. Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech nor does it imply that said speech is collection and analysis. If you say it you should stand behind it.

Very funny Michael. Many of us read and speak German. So not cute.

Just as a point of order, there is precedent for these, in my opinion, oppressive tactics. In the Hoover days, ads were placed in several magazines (‘Life’ comes particularly to mind) asking citizens to report dissenters directly to the government. It was authoritarian then, and it is authoritarian now.

did obama get this idea when he had lunch with putin

In the healthcare bill it says that if you have private insurance at your place of employment and you change your job, you will not be elligible to take the private insurance at your new job. You will be left with ObamaCare, which will be No Care. I think it is in the first 400 pages of the bill.
Obama lies when he says we’ll be able to keep our insurance. OBAMA IS A BIG FAT LIAR.
IMPEACH OBAMA!

So this is “grass roots”??
Seems like the auto-send in out in full force with these most recent posts.
Big Money on the line……..

The only thing fishy is the health care bill itself> What chain mail? I get spam from the gubmint itself about this very topic. I’m glad I have a place to report THEM on their very deviousness!

I voted for Obama but I really don’t understand why he has changed so much. On almost every issue I agreed with him on he has changed, Patriot Act, Gitmo, healthcare, taxes, deficits, openness. Its like he is somebody else, not the man I voted for at all, not even close. Hate to say it but my husband may have been right. He said Obama was going to change when elected.

The information in this story is alarming to me. What does President Obama intend to do with those who disagree with him? This is not free speech!
He wants us all to conform to him without questioning!
Report me to the White House!

progressive liberals scream bloody murder if anyone so much as suggests putting a nativity scene on public property. But they turn around and adopt egalitarianism and environmentalism as the state sponsored religious/moral framework and then use force of law to tax, punish, and excoriate those who violate the tenets of THEIR moral code. Under the state religion of egalitarianism, the state elite steal our wealth to support their moral inclinations.
The first amendment was supposed to protect us against self-righteous crusaders who wanted to subjugate us to their moral system and beliefs – but universal health care, social programs, environmental codes, cap and trade etc… are all evidence that a state religion does exists in spite of Constitutional proscription.

What is this Venezuela? China? Cuba? The is wrong with some of you people? I cannot believe some of my fellow Americans are even trying to justify this action.

My questions was what is Gonzales and Bush doing in Lubbock? Simple question.

In response to the post made by “remorse”:
Obama hasn’t changed, he’s always thought and governed in this manner (I live in Illinois, I know). This man has a malignant case of narcissism and always has. Obama never changed, he just lied.

Just drink the kool-aid sheeple … it will all be over sooner than you think.

Just to be safe, I’m sending everything in my IN Box to Macon Phillips, so he can check out all my friends. Only then can I be sure to get my full share of health care when it is only available from Mr. Phillips and his friends.

There can be only 1 explanation for this – to collect a database of “dissenters”.
The only problem is that it is our Constitutional rights to speak freely and dissent peacefully.
This is Big Brother big time.

“If my conservative friends forward me an email criticizing Obama’s health plan, the first amendment protects MY right to tell whoever I want about that email — including the president. ”
This type of whistle blowing is reminiscent in Germany 1939-44.
I am not saying that clarity is not due, but let’s face it, the Democrats have never been into clarity, but rather, push-push-push.
I would not doubt that this government is keeping tabs on quite a few people, and would like to silence or depose anyone who opposes them.
That is not conspiracy theory, that is reality of how much power the Dems have thrown around, mostly Pelosi and her cronies though, Obama is just a figure head.

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. — Daniel Webster

Think Long-Term:
I’m a lawyer so I know what I’m talking about. When the federal government takes action infringing or restricting political speech, whether through actual legislation, regulation, executive order, or general decree, the restriction must be necessary and narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling government interest or else the restriction violates the First Amendment. Government action which chills political expression may also violate the First Amendment. In addition, government regulations requiring individuals to disclose their identity in connection with the exercise of their free speech rights is almost per se a violation of the First Amendment.
The Bush Administration’s “security database” as you call it, which is really the wiretapping program (implicating the Fourth Amend. more than the First, but that’s neither here nor there), has as its purpose the compelling government interest of protecting our national security. The Supreme Court over and over again has held that protecting national security is a compelling state interest. And the only “speech” the wiretapping program is aimed at chilling is communications among terrorists – speech that I think you would want curtailed, right? Sometimes liberals confuse me whether they want terrorists to talk more or less about vaporizing our country, but maybe I’m just not understanding them correctly.
In any event, the Obama administration asking members of the public to forward communications to the White House from other private citizens would almost certainly have a chilling effect on political speech. What would be the purpose of gathering such information other than to take action against the speaker? And what is the compelling government interest in restricting such speech? So that the president can get legislation through Congress dealing with a subject that is not even mentioned in the Constitution in any way whatsoever? Plus, by requesting private citizens to forward e-mails to the White House from other private citizens, the federal government is more than tacitly compelling the disclosure of his critics’ identities solely because they have chosen to exercise their free speech rights and write e-mails criticizing the president’s proposals.
This is not only heavy-handed, but at least contrary to the spirit of the First Amendment, and arguably in direct violation of it. If Mr. Obama wants an open debate, like he has always said he wants, then let everyone speak their minds and try to persuade the other side and let the best arguments win. Don’t use the immense power of the federal government to quash political speech when there’s no compelling government interest involved.

We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert. — J. Robert Oppenheimer

Elle – ok but you wouldn’t have known that from the news and info we get here. I swear I heard nothing during the campaign that made me think that he was not a middle of the road person looking to do good for the country. I may be an idiot but I didn’t see this coming.

to all of you GOP haters out there… What the Senator is saying is that this is like asking neighbors to spy on neighbors. The question is not what you may forward to the WH, but where does it stop? While the President may have legitmate reasons to see what is being said about him or his policies, he does not have the right to ask Americans to “SPY” on other Americans. I personally think that they WH asking for this type of information could lead to a slippery slope. The Senator is also correct by stating that if President Bush had did this same thing about the Iraqi war, that then Senator Obama would have complained as well. While you may think this is a good thing, it can lead to Rights issues later by setting a precedent. Keep in mind that the SCOTUS ruling on “Separation of Church and State” came from a letter to a constituent of Thomas Jefferson and is not directly stated in the Constitution. So yes, this could lead to a slippery slope that will change this country forever.

Look it’s simple – Obama stated he is FOR a single payer system without private carriers. This is not out of context and he is the one saying it. Can’t be any easier to understand. Shouldn’t the question be framed this way? “What caused you to change your mind from then to what you stated in May?” Also, “how will you guarantee that we will never have a “single” payer – government controlled system that you are apparently now against?” If the 2003 video is so out of context please clarify what was not included from that speech as a point of clarification. Please do not present us with a different speech from 2009 because that just amplifies that you will say whatever is needed to appease the immediate listeners. Please show us the words in the law draft that protects us from governemnt control – page and paragragh. Thank You -The Taxpayer.

Wan’t it our Secretary of State who declared that “we have the right to disagree and debate with this or any administration!”. Such hypocrisy. Now the same administration supporting the “angry mob” outside the AIG executives’ houses has a problem with private citizens who are questioning the scope and urgency of this 1,000 page bill.

How can anyone be for government insurance!? Have you been to the DMV, Post Office, or Unemployment office? All models of efficiency. Give me a break! Anyone that is for a government plan is a moocher. They want something for nothing.

We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert. — J. Robert Oppenheimer

and btw…this is not about health care reform, it’s about telling on your fellow citizens if they dissent or question health care reform…two seperate issues. Very scary how people can defend this tactic!

If I find out anyone sent any email of mine to any goverment agency I think I will just have to confront that situation head-on. I assure you that I am not making idle chat.

If Obama has to resort to bolshevik-style tactics where citizens turn in citizens who are construed to be ideologically impure, then it clear that they are standing on very very thin ice with the healthcare reform and cannot stand an ounce of scrutiny or dissent.
Instead of trying to play Big Brother he should be working on his promises of greater transparency and greater bi-partisan involvement in his program.

Socialist-leaning Liberals and Democrats don’t mind this request because they wouldn’t dare to question anything their Lord Almighty Obama says. Anything they write or say is so enthusiastically pro-Obama, that this “request” doesn’t threaten them. But what liberals don’t seem to realize is that they won’t always have the White House and Congress. What becomes acceptable in one administration will be acceptable in the next regardless of changes in the political parties.

He’s the President… He’s not supposed to be campaigning for anything… But here he is again… The great campaigner… Crappy President… But oh what a campaigner.

To Kelly: These leftists are being intentionally obtuse. They know this isn’t about their freedom of speech. They just don’t want to come right out and say they support the 0 administration using the information they hand in to intimidate American citizens because they oppose 0′s goals.
What happened to “dissent is patriotic?” They evidently see that as a one way street. They worship their politics so much that they see no problem turning in their neighbors for “thought crimes.”

Whatever floats your boat Fantum since we do have Freedom of Religion, or are you upset about everyone being able to believe as they wish under Obama. Conservative Christianity is all about those who have to control others since their own lives are out of control. Sickos but you have the right to your religious beliefs as the rest of us do. Get a clue. We have Freedoms and Obama isn’t taking them away. You were in control with Bush.Cheney for 8 years, and you see your ideology going away with Bush.Cheney. Maybe you need to find a new belief since the one you apparantly believe in is making you sort of out of control thinking — just a passing thought. You don’t want to be like this morning’s shooter in PA. That man was disturbed and dillusional. Home grown terrorists are American’s number one eneny.

I am actually starting to realize that with what is going on being a democrat or republican doesn’t really matter any more. This is bigger than parties. This really looks like the president is turning his back on everything that America is supposed to be and I am sick over it.

I’m so sick of liberals making this about race. Race relations had come so far in this country….that is till this administration started using it to villanize those who don’t agree with them.
Be afraid, be very afraid!

No body knows what`s in the bill, least of all Obama.
All I know is we are well on our way to socialism. Government ownership of the banks, the auto industry, and now the health care system.
We have the finest health care industry in the world, and Obama wants to destroy it. He must be stopped!

is it too late to change my vote?

Libs amaze me! There is a multitude of evidence (videos, voice tapes) that Obama is lying through his teeth about EVERYTHING and still the Obama lemmings continue to argue that it’s everyone else who is lying. Obama is a liar. This is a proven fact. You can argue until you are blue in the face and it won’t make the evidence go away.

Amazing how many people do not see the writing on the wall. The Govt wants information on you-to do what with it??? Bush Cheney tried to do it for overseas phone calls of those with terrorist ties and the libs went crazy. My Gawd wake up Aemrica-this guy is doing us in AND some are rolling over.

I have just set a new rule on my inbox. All spam will now be forwarded to flag@whitehouse.gov
Thanks, Mr. President

Talking to liberals is like clapping with one hand. You can try to explain it to them, but they would rather burn this country to the ground than admit that they are wrong.

there’s nothing funny on TV right now… thanks for picking up the slack, liberals… you guys are hilarious!! You are always so angry as you “stand” for stuff… oh wait… you don’t stand at all. HAHA

Have any of you libs ever opened a history book? Flagging people for “misinformation” is exactly what Stalin and Hitler did. What the White House does with this information will say a lot. Opponents of the Clintons enjoyed frequent IRS audits. Will Obama be above this? Maybe he will, but I can’t say the same for his inner circle.

Remorse, Obama hasn’t changed but he is 21st century thinker. Therefore, if you didn’t understand his ideology, why did you vote for him in the first place. That was your ignorance not his. Also, we who like high tech really are excited to have Obama as our President. He knows how to maneuver in 21st century time vaults. It’s only going to go faster and faster. Sorry bud but you and Palin can become friends since she didn’t understand much about anything. But I do realize she had just had a baby, with 4 other children, and a child to have a child. That’s is so much on a single plate. Anyway, she should have reevaluated her circumstances but she made her own decisions just like you did. Now that you aren’t as educated and knowledgeable as Obama and he is going to fast for you, you McCain, and the rest of Republicans GOPs needs to go to “special education” where life goes slower. Maybe join the “no left behind” education failed policy of Bush. That’s a good start for folks like you. Good luck.

Perhaps, O’Commrade Community Organizer is unaware of the definition of democracy.

When I got an email from the Whitehouse signed by Obama, I thought something was fishy, it smelled like a week old Mullet out of water asking me to watch his healthcare address to the nation.
I have never had any contact with him!
Then I knew the Mullet was two weeks old
when I got an email from the President seven days later going into detailed points about what a great healtcare plan he has.
I then emailed the Whitehouse and told them that I felt I had been spammed and did want or need anymore.

Common, fellow Americans…This NOT a political question..It has to do with our Constitution. Where in that document is there any authorization for the Executive Branch of the government to collect info on ANY citizen????

So, the White House want us to name names?

So now they have gone from ‘pork’ to ‘fishy’. This administration is clueless; yet their zombie followers justify it by saying, “Bush did it”.
I say they both stunk it up pretty badly but don’t expect ABC or other media outlets to give it to you straight. They all have too much invested in our glorified community organizer. Lord help us.

Read the book 1984, This has nothing to do with health care or anything else.
Do you really want the Governement collecting information from private citizens who disagree with them politically? Come on, They already know what the arguments against the plan are and they don’t need John Smith from dirtwater USA forwarding them emails from a co-worker who does not like the plan.
And don’t say it is just an email. From that address they can find out everything they might want to know about the person.

It’s full court press, blitz time for 21st century Obama administration. Have you ever played full court press in zone position? It doesn’t work well. Full court press has to be defended with man to man and abilities to read to move into zone. So, if basketball or tennis or ping pong or any right brain, left brain sports haven’t been played or don’t understand the strategies, no one will be able to keep up. Eight years under slow mo Bush.Cheney really ruined the mentality of Americans. Get educated since everything in September will go faster and faster. Have you ever seen a one side basketball game before? It’s because one team was prepared, understood the game, and read the opposing team extremely well. That’s what is happening now, and will only get faster and faster. That’s the life of high tech. Nano seconds are slow to new and higher speeds. Those who didn’t listen to Obama’s campaign obviously missed that he is extremely versed in high tech at high rates of speed. He is moving government into 21st century. Strap in or risk falling out.

doubleplusgood++ 1984.

Political Speech by Republicans is obviously false, devious and deserves quick retribution – verbal or otherwise. However – political speech by Liberals is free and under attack by the Patriot Act! … and the minions of Newt Gingrich.
The hypocrisy oozes from every letter in their diatribe and it’s clear that they are estranged from common sense – so why bother?

Jack, why are you fighting to hide the real truth. It was your own Republican who put Reese on the list.

I sent an email to flag@whitehouse.org turning in Obama and the democrats for trying to interfere with our freedom to make our own health care choices.

It is one thing to say what you want to whomever you want. It is another thing for the heavy, powerful, hand of the government to be interested in private citizens speech. What would the purpose be, except to use their names in a data base for future diabolical use? You know how it worked in the Clinton adm., send the IRS after your adversaries, smear your opponents by using FBI files. You all on the left know how it works, so stop playing naive.

“There is a lot of disinformation about Obama telling the truth out there, spanning from ABC – MSNBC. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about Obama being honest that seems fishy, e-mail us”

WWMD? = What Would McCarthy Do?
Amazing how communism failed in the USSR, yet it is just beginning here!

Does that mean I should send the url of that website that shows the film of obama saying he wants a single payer system to the obama who says he does not?

The First Amendment was particularity established in order to protect free speech critical of the government. It’s ironic that the KGB of Obama is intent of shutting down any critical dialogue and criticism of his Marxist plans. Obama needs to go! Impeach the liar/illegal Kenyan born fraud Obama!!

Hypocrites are the only ones who can justify such a governmental witch hunt. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves, that is, if you haven’t lost all capacity for shame. “Evildoers,” [sigh].

we must all be paid for and organized by the RNC according to the white house and their operatives at MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and FOX
if the RNC was organizaed enough to pull off all of the protest and tea parties Obama wouldn’t be president right now…nuff said

The only “disinformation” about the so-called health care reform is coming from the Whitehouse. Does this president take the American public for idiots? Apparently so, they elected him.

I’m sorry but as I read these comments it seems pretty clear that this board is being intentionally targeted by one or two liberal Obamite supporters, if not actual paid Democratic cronies, who are posting again and again the most illogical opinion that it is perfectly okay for the White House to ask individual citizens to send in emails from other fellow citizens. I do not know anyone who would support this. To have so many liberal supporters suddenly posting on this article after it went on Drudge is very suspicious. Especially since the White House understands that if this type of request got into the mainstream media it would be a serious black eye. The posts on this article are clearly some serious damage control that probably links back to the White House itself. I’d love to see the IP address locations for the liberal posters on this site. Rahm himself is probably posting under alternate names.

This idea of the Obama administration is nothing new, It is straight out of George Orwells 1984, where the government taught children to tell on their parents and anyone else they observed not following big brothers doctrines. The parallels between this administration and Orwells 1984 are just plain creepy. Of course most folks out there are more concerned over who wins American Idol than what is happening to their own country as far as our freedoms are concerned. I’m ashamed of this president, and I had such high hopes for him. He lies as well or better than Bill Clinton did, and that’s scary!

Obama didn’t betray you, you didn’t do your homework. His preacher of 20 years is a marxist, racist. His ideals come from Sol Alinsky a radical and communist. Bill Ayers, a good friend and terrorist who bombed government buildings. Acorn, his group of community radical antagonizers and voting fraud gang. You need to look into who you are voting for, not just listen to the liberal media and their love affair with radicals.

Remember how the Governments of Russia China, North Korea, and Iran operate. Every community or village has political officers. Those political officers ask
the citizens to inform on each other, so the Government can single them out for punishment. Socialists and communists do these sort of things.

We support President Obama.
Speaking of Republicans they should pay in the 2010 and 2012 elections for the mess they left all of us which is the economy and the two war fronts. If The Republicans didn’t drag us into Iraq on a lie we would have used our resources and would have caught Osama by now!
All I have to say to Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas is Boo!

Carl Marx said to “make use of the usefull idiots” in that they would vote to take away their own right to vote!
Usefull Idiot = Elle, Mark from Atlanta, etc, etc, etc
Obama, Rahm, Pelosi, Hoyer, etc have all read and put to use what Marx advised

Elle…I agree, me like Obama cause he real High tech community organizer. He move real fast with High Tech stuff. He move so fast, me not know what he say, but still fast and High Tech. High Tech good. No? Me like High Tech Obamaman. He can even use the spill chacker.

President Obama sees himself in the light of previous presidents like FDR, JFK and even Reagan.
He’s smelling an awful lot like Nixon and Carter about now. Nixon, for the renowned enemies list and Carter for his inept handling of the economy.
I just can’t wait for stagflation in 2 years..

HOW DID JEFFERSON KNOW??????
>
> Especially read the last quote from 1802.
> When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe ,
> we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
> Thomas Jefferson
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
> who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
> Thomas Jefferson
> It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
> A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
> Thomas Jefferson
> I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
> government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
> taking care of them.
> Thomas Jefferson
> My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government..
> Thomas Jefferson
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> Thomas Jefferson
> The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
> arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
> government.
> Thomas Jefferson
> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
> patriots and tyrants.
> Thomas Jefferson
> To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which
> he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
> Thomas Jefferson
> Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
> ‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
> than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to
> control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
> the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
> the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
> continent their fathers conquered..’
>
> ‘If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the
> newspaper you are misinformed.’
>
> -Mark Twain
>
>

The sooner we all wake up and realize that we voted in a man who is setting the stage for government to dictate every aspect of our lives the better off we all will be. Call it Marxism, Communism,whatever – this guy is getting very scary.

Report fellow citizens for disagreeing with the government–pure Orwell “1984″ Orwell was 25 years early. Will Obama and be his jackboots be screening all the emails for criticism? We already have political correctness to chill free speech. The new paradigm is: “Its free speech only if the liberals deem it free speech.”

Orwell per “The Animal Farm”: “all the animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Per Obama and the PC crowd, “all speech is free but some speech is more free than others.”

The fact that so many responders here either support this type of behavior or are no getting the point should chill all Americans.
Come and join an angry mob to tell Congress (who isn’t listening) what you think of their mob style politics.
Better yet, vote in 2010 and give them more time to ponder it.

“Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it”. From the comments made here by ignorant liberals… history is repeating itself. All of this is just like the 3rd Reich ‘snitches’ in Germany. But you idiots don’t get it. Much easier to attack “right wing nuts” and Bush rather than realize the muck we are getting into. If you scream and kick about Bush’s alleged wire tapping of america’s phones.. then you should be hopping mad about this. Oh.. you would be if it was Bush.

I imagine they’re asking the Public At Large to keep them posted on what the anti-health care/insurance reform messages of the day are, rather than planning to institute some kind of psycho dissenters database.

I am unable to send an email to flag@whitehouse.gov.
any suggestions?

As an old Democrat (65) who can remember when my party represented the “people” I am very disappointed a congress that seems to have forgotten who they work for. I have a lot of legitimate concerns about the push to rush these inititatives without a legitimate debate. It seems that anyone who disagrees with the plans is either a fool, a radical, or a pawn of some Right Wing Conspiracy. With the tendancy of the current administration to ferociously attack and belittle anyone who disagrees with their policies or plans I would be very reluctant to send a critical email about anything the government does.

There seems to be an Obama plant on this site-another expenditure of the anti stimulus package. Dont buy into these site pests. They don’t make any sense and are PAID shills-with YOUR Money.

Where do I turn myself in for being critical of the administration? What do you think they are going to do to me? Maybe pull out my toenails or fingernails til’ I say Obama is great 10 times…Possibly put my head in a tube, like in the film 1984, and scare me into thinking a rat is going to eat my face off…

Don’t waste your breath. Neo-liberals today don’t see the hypocrisy in themselves. The same people who insisted that Bush’s data collection on private citizens was so horrible have absolutely no problem with Obama doing the same exact thing. They’re hypocrites to the Nth degree, and worthy of nothing but your contempt as incompetent lemmings who understand nothing about the responsibilities of proper citizenship.

Hey NCPilot09!
Who makes the determination what is questionable, or inaccurate, information that is being circulated regarding health care reform?
You? The Obama administration? Liberals?
Who?
Man, you are scary!!

Chicago Thugs are asking for snitches to line up for the Communist Party.
Revolt!

Note to the Administration…The Federal Government is effectively bankrupt. It is 11 TRillion in debt…It is borrowing nearly 50 cents for every dollar it spends. Obama’s budget forcasts doubling the national debt in ten years while economic growth will likely be just 2% per year…Meaning, income will double in 35 years while debt doubles in ten…Does this sound like remotely sustainable policy??? Give up trying to Nationalize Healthcare! Medicare and Medicaid are drowning in debt with out of control spiralling costs. How is putting 47 million more Americans on government sponsored healthcare going to save costs? It is impossible…The Chinese won’t allow it Obama as they are the key sponsor of our debt…Get real and forget this expensive pipe-dream.

I’m not a tool for the Government, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

I LET THE WHITE HOUSE KNOW HOW I FEEL AND I TOLD THEM TO GO TO HELL. THIS IS OLD MOTHER RUSSIA COMING TO LIFE IN OUR NATION. WHEN THE GOVERNMENT ASKS TO QUELL POLITCAL POLITCAL FREE SPEACH, IT SHOULD SEND CHILLS DOWN THE SPINES OF ALL FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE COIN. I WILL NOT STAND FOR OUR NATION TO BE RUN BY DESPOTS WHO WANT MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TRAMPELED.

Posted by: think-long-term | Aug 5, 2009 3:34:13 PM
If anyone needs to chill out its Cornyn and his minions (haters) who simply will never, under any circumstances, approve of anything Obama does or attempts to do because he doesn’t belong to the same political party, and isn’t the same color they are. That’s it, bottom line!
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you would be incorrect. i do not support obama because i have yet to hear a single idea out of his head that’s thought out, coherent, non-marxist in intent or matter, or unscripted by his handlers. if it’s thought out, it’s marxist… if it’s coherent, it’s constitutionally subversive. if it’s un scripted, it’s incomprehensible. we folk on the right might well be the imbeciles the left stereotypes us to be, but at least we’re listening to what’s being said without the kool-aid haze blinding us to the reality of recreating the bolshevic revolution within our borders.

Just read this train of comments and tell me if Obama has brought our country together in a bipartisan, post-racial, transparent way? Increasing the debt from $3Trillion to $12Trillion in 6 months, but, no middle class taxes!!??
Fundamentally seeking to change the economic system and tax burden in this country in months is going to tear us apart. The vitriol is worse than ever.
We The People…all of us, regardless of political philosophy, better take our country back by throwing the career politicians from BOTH PARTIES out of office in 2010 and 2012, elect REAL CITIZEN public servants and a president on the platform of term limits, balanced budget/line item veto, draconian spending cuts & a national VAT funding 100% of a LIMITED government and return to our freedom-loving, independent and traditional heritage.

I’m all for health care reform, but just for the 12 percent who needs it. Leave me out of it. I use AETNA, pay an average price, and it fits my family’s needs very well. We even had a bout with cancer through it.
Sure we had to hop about, run up credit cards, really watch our budget… but we made it without government help. And we had the best of service from an wonderful hospital on our time schedule.
So, I’m all for health reform, but let’s just help those who NEED the help, not everyone. I don’t mind paying a few dollars more in my taxes to help the elderly, babies, and critically ill. I don’t want to help the lazy bums though or the illegal immigrants. Or the welfare recipients who can work but don’t because of silly medical excuses like a bad knee or depression.
I don’t like what is being proposed right now in Obama’s health plan, and will fight it tooth and nail. When I see something more reasonable, I’ll feel better.

I say, send questionable claims by Democrats as well to the e-mail address. The flood will make it nearly impossible for the whitehouse interns to sort through.

Health care is so beyond the role of government that it is surprising to me that this conversation even exists.
To all those that believe the government (Democratic or Republican) should enter into the health care market place, please consider this: private companies need to be fiscally responsible (i.e. not lose money). The government does not (and has not). If they lose money, they raise taxes. That is not competition. They can easily undercut private companies until the private companies fall away. You will end up paying for it through higher taxes or a market rate that can fiscally sustain a health care entity.

It seems that the Obama Administration is becoming paranoid about the strong protest against their health reform efforts which would include tax payer funded abortion, and end of life counseling for the elderly,aka euthanasia. Obama’s plan doesn’t wash with the American people. When are they going to wise up?

why worry about forwarding your email.
all the gov spy agencies already have read
them, and forwarded them for you.
your tax dollars at work

There is a reason I call the Democrat party the new party ‘Neo-Facists’. This smacks of it. And THOSE that defend the actions this administration are nothing more than the ACORN Brownshirts of the Obama Regime. YOU, may want to wear your brownshirt, stand at attention, put your hands in the Obama ‘O’ sign and sing, “Obama is going to change’ song, BUT I REFUSE!!
Go look up the Webster’s definition of Facism. Then look yourself in the mirror and question THIS administration!

there’s nothing to debate here … this administration has adopted the divide and conquer tactics of Saul Alinsky, an American Communist. This was his plan. Read it and ask yourself … Does this sound familiar?
“There’s another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don’t encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let’s not let it happen by default.”[4]

Well to THE SOVIET UNION OF THE UNITED STATES.
A STOOGE AT EVERY STREET CORNER READY TO DO OBAMA’S BIDDING OR ELSE

Can I ‘flag’ myself as being ‘fishy’??

to all the cult members out there… pointing fingers elsewhere to justify the screwing your messiah is giving us.. some of us remember where the clear majority of this mess came from. frank, dodd, kennedy, daschle, clinton, etc etc.. and now reid, pelosi, emmanuel, etc…. november 2010 is coming! you’re making it REALLY easy for us. we certainly appreciate it. keep up the great work.

Someone whom our current president hired just asked us to spy on each other and report to them because “…we can’t keep track of all of them here at the white house….) Remember this moment in our history. Remember this request. Don’t honor it. Be a good American. Honor your neighbors, your honest opponents and your freedoms. Deny this request from the Obama administration. Point out his request of you to those you love. Those you respect. Those you admire and hope for and remember. Deny this request, please. Do not report me, please!

This is an attempt to make people afraid to even talk about health care reform in a newspaper or a website in case they are wrong on any of the facts.
Hell, the President and his administration don’t even know all the facts.
Silence the dissenting voices is his goal to pass this legislation that will make us slaves to this federal system.

So what? I want those bastards in the white house to know me.
My name is Citizen Taxpayer, their Employer.

What I have not read in any of the posts above, though, like congress I have not read them all but still have an opinion, is what does the White House want the information for?????????????. What will they do with it??????????? That is the what all you freedom lovers should want to know.

“None are so blind as those who will not see” An oak tree starts out as an ACORN. From some of the comments, looks like you folks at ACORN are putting in some overtime! Good thing you got all that stimulus money. The rest of us are not so stupid as to where this type of activity will “grow” to.

Why is this necessary? If they can explain the benefits and the details of the plan, who cares what “disinformation” is out there? Unfortunately, the plan as it stands makes no sense. And the straw man logic, “if you are against the plan you are not for im proving health care” is standard Obama demagoguery. The sheep will one day deeply regret blindly following this terrible President.

you got that right dave

I sent an email to that address, calling them liars, challenging the “reform” they propose, and condemning their snitch program.
Smart? Perhaps not, but it sure felt good to speak up for a change.

I’m glad to see people supporting their favorite political team. You’re all losing. Hey Republicans, what happened to small government? Hey Democrats, what happened to sending the troops home and closing Gitmo? Wake up.

What if a sitting Republican president was asking everyone to report all of the homosexuals? Or all of the young women who are interested in getting an abortion or about to get an abortion??? WHat would happen then????
You’d never hear the end of it.
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. Because liberals by definition have no bounds.

Ratting on private citizens with differing views of public policy does not equate to informing the government with respect to national security. Some of you neophytes trying to make an apples to apples comparison of the two must have flunked out or had a left-wing-nut teacher in your civics classes. The White House is viloating 1st amendment speech and regressing towards Orwellian dictates.

I am neither Republican, nor Democrat and I think the actions of both the Bush and Obama administrations were/ are
highly suspect and questionable.
It’s not about color, political affiliation, or who’s prettier than the other. This is not about whether or not you can send spam or politically motivated emails to your mother-in-law. This is about the government encouraging it’s citizens to turn in fellow citizens for forwarding “fishy” emails. This is WRONG regardless of who is behind it.

“If my conservative friends forward me an email criticizing Obama’s health plan, the first amendment protects MY right to tell whoever I want about that email — including the president.”
You miss the point Mark from Rochester. The president of the US has the power to sick the IRS on you or put you in jail. You don’t have that power.

It doesn’t matter who does it, it still isn’t right. Both parties have been involved in doing things that are ethically and morally wrong. So, stop bringing up Bush when you hear a complaint about obama. Both of them are wrong! Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn’t matter who does it, asking people to rat on their neighbors and other Americans is plain and simply wrong! Never right no matter who does it. How many times does it have to be said? The Obama White House is out of bounds on this one.

WOW, I cannot believe so many people are supporting the white house for asking people to be SNITCHES!!!!! And the ones talking about their free speech to pass on an email are total morons when it comes to the 1st amendment. I lived in a communist country and this reminds me of the tactics used by the commies, asking everyone to snitch on every one. Obama from the beginning reminded me of a communist, the promises to everyone that cannot be kept, the intimiDATION BRIGADES like ACORN, vilifying his opponents, etc. This is scary, because so called Americans are acting like Hitler, Stalin or Lenin bots, willing SNITCHES!!!!!!!!! And that is what such people are: SNITCHES. REPORT THIS!!!!!!

And I assume MoveOn.org and all the liberal rabble rousers are also on the Democratic “watch list”. LOL. The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
Is there any protest from the SEIU/ACORN rent a mob group that buses in “protestors”, or the staged LaRaza illegal alien marches and propaganda they spread around ? Hmmm ?
Whether Democrat or Republican, don’t you resent this “implied” threat you’re being watched bother you just a bit or are you so blinded by politics you can’t see politicians are your worst enemy most of the time ?
The liberal groups are so fishy they make a dead whale in the sun smell good. LMAO

Did Obama or did he not say he was for a single payer system
and that utltimately, “perhaps a decade or 15 or 20 years” private insurance could be eliminated?
Are abortions going to be allowed in Obama’s healthcare reform, paid for by people who are pro-life?
Isn’t a large mulit-million contingent of the “$46 million uninsured” illegal aliens?
…that will be covered under Obama’s healthcare plan?
Isn’t there a healthcare “exchange” where essentially options about care and especially end of life care, will be made by non-doctors?
Aren’t some (multi-million) americans uninisured by choice?
Isn’t the number of uninsured that want to be insured, that deserve to be insured, actually less than 20 million?
Don’t the polls say 54% of American disagree with Obama’s healthcare initiatives?
Don’t the polls say tha more than 75% of Americans are happy with their coverage?
When a public option is available, don’t you really think many, many, many, many private companies will withdraw medical benefits and force employees to go to the public option.
Don’t you understand that if private companies are forced to pay a penalty for not providing insurance many of them will shut their doors or lay people off?
Don’t americans have a first amendment right to have their voices heard about ill-conceived policies?
Isn’t it true that most legislators haven’t read the entire Healthcare bill?
Won’t this health care plan lead to expanding deficit?
Won’t the middle class actually have to be taxed as Bawney Frank admitted?
Isn’t cap and trade based on the fallacy of man-made global warming?
and deep down don’t you really know that cap and trade will not pass the senate and if it does, companies will 1) pass added costs on to consumers, 2) lay people off or 3) move their operations overseas?
And didn’t the majority congress attempt to rahm this down the throats of the american people, without reading teh bil, and without giving others a chance to read the bill, because Dems will lose all the seats they gained when 2010 rolls around and no sane person would pass these measures with a balanced congress?
And doesn’t the CBO credit Obama’s handling the economy for increasing the deficit?
And won’t Obama’s presidency be the first to combine double digit unemployment with HYPERinflation?
And really, really, don’t the majority of people who voted for Obama because he was black, or because he spoke well, or because he looked good in a suit feel like total fools now?
And don;t you now agree that both his total lack of experience and his socialist/marxist/reactionary background have come back to haunt all those that voted for him as well as all those that did not?
And don’t you now agree that Obama will go down as the worst president ever, surpassing even Carter?
Be honest … you know those angry americans at town hall meetings are not plants or even right wingers and you know that the bill is in trouble because America has awakened to your socialist, freedom-stomping agenda.
You can admit it, and we will welcome you back to mainstream.
If more than half of you answered yes to more than half of these questions, welcome to the center, and if you did not, please feel free to pass this on to flag@whitehouse.gov

It looks like the Whitehouse wants your Big Brother to watch you.

Former US Attorney General is going to be teaching at Texas Tech University in Political Science for one year, which is located in Lubbock, Texas. What is his real motive for going to this school to teach? He allowed the telecommunications warrantless program to proceed, and will he spy on the people in and around Lubbock? Why? Are there too many Democrats moving into the area? Also Bush will be giving a speech at LCU, Lubbock Christian University, which is a major Republican Church of Christ strong hold university. So what is in Lubbock, Texas that they are so interested in?
Elle,
Lubbock Texas is full of Americans who would like to slow the growth of all government and reverse the current trend of increased intrusion into the private sector by the federal government. That may be their interest in Lubbock. Also, you would probably call most of the Democrats in Lubbock a radical right wing mob if they lived in New York or California. God bless Lubbock.

Ha ha ha…the Democrats are stunned that the country is turning against their policies. Wake up Obama is headed in the wrong direction, and fast! I can’t stop laughing at how hysterical his supporters have become. What a bunch of cry babies.

hopefully I wont get a “flag” on my comment…

How can someone report disinformation on health care reform if our own elected officials are not willing to read the damn bill anyway. I am a Democrat and I am still unclear as what is being proposed. Some of us probably don’t remember McCarthyism or were not properly educated about it. Basically it was Americans ratting out other Americans to the Government on their political views (who was a commie or not). I if government wants to know how stand maybe they should just listen to us. Our 1st amendment right should prevail. Again I am a Democrat and yes I go to town Halls and Tea Parties, because first and foremost I am an American.

Yes, send the dissenting information to the White House. Double Plus Good!

At this point, just turn over all power to Obama. Liberals want it. Let them have it and see what happens. All the republicans should resign from the Congress and White House immediately and just give all power to Democrats and let them do what they’re gonna do. What do you think about that Democrats? Just hand Obama the key to the nation and say, okay go in whatever house, buy whatever business, arrest whomever you want, and just take over the country. He knows what is right, nothing he does should ever be questioned. So just let it happen. Good idea right?

Okay, that’s it, I’m tellin’…

Rick,
Very gutsy reporting! Hope you keep your job. :)

I just sent an email to the White House “tattling” on the president. It seems “fishy” that he says one thing in front of the AFLCIO about being for single payer and saying “if you like your insurance you can keep it” in front of the American people.

Sign up for your rat badge..Call the whitehouse for infor…

Is it fishy to say Obama wants a single payer system when he actually said he wants a single payer system??

The internal political tangle is what they (the current administration) want you to argue about while THEY slam the legislation through. So much for bi-partison politics!

while Obama is getting Americans to spy on each other, the Russians are patrolling our eastern coast with their nuclear-powered submarines.
They didn’t dare do any such thing while GWB was Commander-in-Chief but this present weakling in the WH is now emboldening countries with nuclear capabilities to eventually attack and destroy America.

For those who think it is fine for the Obama administration to collect information of their opponents, consider what they are doing to their ‘allies’. Outright lies and disinformation put into ads in their home district to discredit them if they don’t toe the White House line. Anyone that is so stupid to believe that Obama & company are in any way above the Chicago thugs they learned politics from are just not paying attention. Just think about how reporters that had the audacity to disagree with Obama on the slightest issue was booted off the plane or how the prime time news conferences are completely scripted. This group of thugs will stoop to any behavior to control information.
I know the liberals are too dense to understand, but I’ll keep trying to bring light to the plans of this administration. Big Brother wants you to help him watch.

According to 5 U.S.C. § 552a, United States agencies, including the Executive Office of the President shall, “maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.”

You know what’s really funny to me? The same Leftists who think nothing of the Obama Administration urging people to snitch on fellow Americans for “misinformation” about his health insurance bill were some of the loudest whiners about the PATRIOT Act and its “invasion of privacy.”
And before that, they were the same ones who let people like Larry Flynt dig up any piece of dirt on Republicans who wanted to see Bill Clinton impeached.
And they said nothing about Hillary having 900 FBI files at the White House.
And when the media went fishing into Sarah Palin’s life? They cheered. Same thing with Larry Craig and David Vitter.
I guess privacy only counts if you’re a Leftist.

Kelly is right.
Think-long-term:
There was a decision handed down in Aug. of 2008 by the FISA court which said that Bush acted within his powers as Commander-in-chief. An attempt to monitor call data of person’s suspected to be foreign terrorists is quite different from wanting to monitor what certain US citizens say about Obama and his policies.

Cornyn was right about the left’s response if this had been done during Bush’s administration. Unfortunately, the left is deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to seeing the same problem with their own actions. Just like the general media is blind to their own bias, leftists excuse ANY of their actions as permissable, and even necessary, to combat those evil conservatives. They can’t even see how their actions are right out of the playbook followed by the communists in the 50′s.

Wow, the fact that the government is asking citizens to report on other citizens who disagree with the government really smacks of big brother and chavez like behavior. This has all the feel of dividing the nation. Saying that you have the right to report spam to the white house shows that you know it is wrong but don’t want to admit it. It really is serious whether you have a democratic or republican president. It is unacceptable no matter who has the office.

It’s unbeleivable the number of collectivists who have no idea about what it means to protect one’s personal liberty! This isn’t (D) vs (R), this is US vs THEM! It doesn’t matter which party controls our government, the thing that matters is that WE must begin to control our government. They represent us (not the other way around.) Stop defending your party and start protecting yourself. Our rights are being stolen by bits and pieces.

Posted by: TIM | Aug 5, 2009 4:56:06 PM
Oh, so I guess we should send all the lies oBama is spouting about how wonderful this commie plan is?
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Lets Play Jeopardy! What is FOXNEWS.

You would think that … gee, I don’t know — the frigging PRESS and the frigging MEDIA would be sounding one alarm after another on something like this. Instead, the complicit, disgusting, state-propagandist sham media runs headlines with the tone “A Republican Senator is … [raising an eyebrow].”
The White House putting out requests for informants to “turn in” anyone with a dissenting political opinion. No biggie, eh? Hey, didja here the latest news of American Idol. Oh, and I understand Obama took his motorcade to go grab a hamburger. Tingling feelings! Furrowings running up legs!
If you didn’t laugh, you’d cry.

Oh come on! When will you Obama supporters open your eyes! This is just an attempt to intimidate anyone who doesn’t buy in to his bull@%*”^.
If you dare to question this “reform” of one-seventh of the US Economy which is being rammed through Congress before anyone has a chance to fully understand all the ramifications, you will be placed on an enemies list. Prepare to be audited at the very least.

If I catch a politician contradicting what he or she said before, should I report it? Barry look in the mirror quick. I caught you! You are on video saying you want a government single payer health care system. Can’t lie about it now. We can’t be fooled.

Good news, comrades! Our Fearless Leader has kindly asked that any citizen witnessing “unacceptable behavior” report such anomalies to nearest State Security office. Unchecked dissent threatens to disturb the peace, incite violence, and derail our “Great Plan.” By cataloging dissent, State is able to better focus corrective action and educational programs, and preserve precious resources of its valued citizens.
The Captialist Pigs seek to enslave us with personal responsibility, take away our right to happiness, and criminalize the viewing of audiovisual materials featuring Lindsay Lohan.
Great Plan shall free us of our bonds and bring about coveted Utopian Dream, as described in best-selling book by Karl Marx, glorious hero of proletariat. Spandex jackets, one for everyone. What beautiful world this will be.
To avoid appearance of disloyalty to State, please do not hestitate in reporting suspicious or unruly activities of family members, friends, and acquaintances. Remember, comrades, ends justify means. Great Plan is within our grasp!
“Yes we can!”

Comrades! Is time to report the enemies of the state! All criticism must be scrutinized! We must report any citizens who dare disagree with our leader!
What’s next? sending in the brownshirts (ACORN/SEIU) to harass these people at their homes? These tactics have NEVER been used by an American President! Although they seem to come out of the playbook of another President… Hugo Chavez.
Why not set up a Minister Of Disinformation like in Orwell’s “1984″? Oh wait, the White House just did that! Combine this with the demonization and belittling of valid protests by regular Americans at town halls, along with the failure to report ANY dissent (other than to marginalize and demonize it), and you get the Propaganda Manual of Martin Goebbels copied down to a “T”,

What is this Venezuela? China? Cuba? The is wrong with some of you people? I cannot believe some of my fellow Americans are even trying to justify this action.
Posted by: Mom | Aug 5, 2009 5:21:41 PM
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I didn’t read the article. Form you post it sounds like there is something in the article that suggests to you that if you go against Obama you go to secrect jail.

The White House is not asking for information about the individuals sending the e-mails, they are asking to review the CONTENT of the e-mails.
If there’s an email out there saying that the federal government is proposing to fund late term abortions as part of the plan, they want to be aware of this so that they can either confirm or deny that statement.
Nobody’s First Amendment rights are being revoked, and nobody’s privacy is being compromised.

Wow, a lot of liberals posting here are really ignorant to what’s going on here. Just read what Phillips wrote: “…or through casual conversation.”
For God’s sake, he’s not just talking about spam political emails, he’s clearly stating that if you send a friend a private email mentioning your opinion of The One’s health plan that they don’t agree with, they should forward it to the White House so they can review what it was you said in that private email. The next obvious question is why they want this email and what the consequences will be for daring to share your opinion with your friend. They’re not collecting these ‘just for kicks.’

Libs amaze me! There is a multitude of evidence (videos, voice tapes) that Obama is lying through his teeth about EVERYTHING Posted by: Vicki | Aug 5, 2009 5:49:03 PM
—————Yeah Vicki “EVERYTHING”

re:Don’s note:
This is pure
slippery slope.
What was said. Followed by:
Who said it? Then:
Where does that person live?
What else do we know about him/her?
etc.
get the picture?
it is a big deal when govt acts this way.

Why does Obama and Rahm want the Census operations moved into the White House?
Gee, maybe they want to make sure there is no over counting of people in the cities or the states? Right? Why dead people have been voting in Chicago for decades. If you trust Barry and Rahm to do a fair Census count then I have some ocean front property for you in North Dakota to buy.

Socialism has been an abject failure in every Nation where it has been implemented, so why should we be surprised that Obama style Socialism would be any different. It’s Obama’s intention to destroy the free-enterprise structure that has made America the most prosperous Nation in the history of mankind; and, to replace it with the Socialist structure from his native Kenya. A structure where the elite such as Obama and his clan travel and subsist in luxury while the masses wallow in the misery of a system that confiscates the products of their labor so as to acheive Obama’s coveted “redistribution of the wealth”. Obama is in fact the “Reparator In Chief”.

You think it’s fine for folks to send out emails telling senior citizens Obama’s health plan proposals call for their deaths? It’s nothing more than an alert – a fact check.
There’s a website where you can send these viral false stories and get them verified.
I call it good government to get the truth out.

How in the world can people make this into a Democrat/Republican issue? It is an American issue. It is absurd to have a government that is asking people to listen to the context of communications private citizens have amongst themselves and report it, regardless of the reason given. As a citizen you absolutely have the right to email the White House anything you want to, but to have the administration proactively asking for you to spy is ludicrous. This sort of behavior is not uncommon in China…is that what we want???

hey!! I gotcha health reform package right here!

jesus, as i read the comments on this thread i realize that america is screwed. people protecting, arguing for the administrations “right” to ask for americans to report “misinformation” directly to the white house?! who decides what is misninformation? those that are reading the bill and putting out the details or those that are writing the bill and have a huge stake in making sure the bill makes it through? some idiot even mentions that bush has information on everyone but we don’t or won’t ever know about it,,,,and agrees with obama’s minions in outing fellow american’s who don’t agree with the power grab by the democrats.
bet not one supporter of obama actually knows what is in the bill…..they argue semantics or just outright hate conservatives. we are so screwed.

In response to ELLE for this post: “Everyone who has taken monies from their parents above gifting allotments have taken from private pay. They have worked down the assets of their parents or relatives to keep the family fortune in play. Working the assets down to Medicaid or VA benefits levels is the motive. This practice is mainly done by Republicans.” I’ve been in the financial service business for 40 years and have served thousands of clients. I despise those families who have impoverished mom and dad in the manner you describe. But I also assure you there is not one shred of truth to your assertion that it “is mainly done by Republicans.” Reading your posts I suspect you are a paid blogger here to spread falsehoods, translation lies. .

Maybe employers can now take the same approach. Receive an email, tweet, or Facebook status update that is “disinformation” about the company, please forward to the director of HR so we can “correct” the problem. Doesn’t thwart free speech does it?

Wow – is this the latest republican talking point? A request to get falsehoods forwarded to a central location for putting out information to dispell the falsehood is twisted into collecting names. How foolish and paranoid – why would they waste money on collecting your names? This is how you are trying to turn around public opinion about republicans?
Isn’t this Chicken Little? What is sticking in my mind is the angry older people here – angry that Obama got elected. And of course they don’t have a problem with the Colored they inform me. At are local greasy spoon I’m hearing a bunch of tripe that their will be enforced deaths with the new coverage… gullible people eager to receive the new marching orders from the instigators.
Instead we should be looking around gratefully at out economy that didn’t go crashing to a halt – it’s slowly but steadily recovering. It’s going to require a return to oversight instead of the old wild west capitalism is always superior days.
And YES – we need to do something about the health care monster devouring an ever larger share of our GDP. Obviously private insurance hasn’t worked very well as time goes on fewer people have it – and – it covers less and less.
Don’t see those insurance executives complaining though – salary ranges like $5000 to $18,000 an hour – must be nice.

Already happened to me in 2000 Michael. I lost my job over a private email.

There is a long history of citizens reporting the suspicious activities of other citizens to the government.
_________Like professor Gates’ recent police call?

It is absolutely disgusting that Obama wants people to “report” dissent to the WH. What happened to the first amendment? I guess it doesn’t apply anymore. WHAT A SHAME.

Kinda’ like Chairman Mao required his Red Army of civilians to report any talk about freedom of speech in China, in the 50′s.
This event is the most spine chilling and cold blooded communist tactic to ever come out of the White House.
Those of you who are Obama slaves, will not be spared. Once you “report” someone, YOU, will be in the email data base.
We’re not repubs or dems, we’re Independent and we will fight this tyranny at the ballot box.
Report that…
rA

Most of the disinformation on health care that’s out there is coming out of the White House. When is the president going to stop coming out with savings claimsthat the CBO immediately debunks?

You could be a lawyer there Tuna ;)

Sounds like good politics to collect the oppositions falsehoods and advertise against their lies and half-truths.

If Obama wants my feedback, my number is in the phone book. He does not travel to Texas but if he came and held a town hall I would be sure to be there.
The best way to clear the air of inaccuracies about health care is to educate us what is in the bill. I think the Republicans wanted to do that the leadership stopped them from doing so.
If I send an email to flag@whitehouse.gov will Obama release his birth certificate to clear the air about his citizenship status?

It just make sense to be proactive about Swift Boat campaigns aganist healthcare reform…
From many of the comments you’d think Obama was personally throwing Republicans in secret jails.

I did hear something fishy about obamacare. I heard it’s good for America! I’d better report that quick!!

Hmmm, kinda reminds me of the TIPS program. Oh wait, that was under a republican, so the republicans were ok with it, and of course the democrats hated it.

So… explain how it is a horrible thing when our government wants to listen in on phone conversations among terrorist but a wonderful thing when they want to examine emails by it’s own citizens.

It is absolutely disgusting that Obama wants people to “report” dissent to the WH Posted by: Richard | Aug 5, 2009 9:05:49 PM
Your apparent definition of dissenter is a person that makes false claims.

Kelly – the only fact in your post is that we don’t know – just because we don’t know doesn’t mean it’s the case. We also don’t know what info your president has on us – does that mean we should assume he does?
And to the taterhead that says:
Why must Republicans always result to the absurd? It is not a violation of first amendment rights to call a liar a liar and to hold them accountable for their lying if it causes damages to another individual.
exactly! that’s why people are spreading the truth about this garbage legislation – but as typical you’re suffering from the same “absurdity” you point at the other person for.
I have to wonder if you thought the USSR was horrible for playing its own people against eachother – somehow that’s fine here?
Wake up and forget the party line

It’s interesting that GW Bush understood the right to protest and could live with it. Most Conservatives have thick skin and can deal with minor hardships. Libs on the other hand need to deal with dissent [focused against them] with heavy handed tactics. E.g. Janet Reno was Bill Clinton’s enforcer who employed her forces at Waco, in Miami, at Ruby Ridge, etc. Where did GW ever deploy his forces inside the CONUS? What’s laughable was OPRAH demanding the deployment of US Forces to New Orleans when the LA Governor was lax on engaging her National Guard. You don’t want the USMC to deliver your mail or act in lieu of the local police force. That’s called Martial Law. I am waiting for Obama to declare Martial Law sometime before 2012 so he can call off national elections and when the citizenry decides to protest he can shoot them like dogs.

Im sending this whole thread to OBama. I think I’ll also sign him up for some free offers.

The government is simply asking people to report fraud. Just like if you a company releases a product and somebody comes along and says it’s snake oil and stands up on a soapbox to claim it. If it isn’t true, it’s called Slander. And punishable by law for giving misinformation. It can destroy a company. So the Republicans know this and this is a tactic they use often. This is just another one. The Obama administration is asking for people to report fraud and the Repuglicans are saying it s a violation of free speech to report slander. I just think that the repbulicans always take the low road to score points. I think the dems do too, but not nearly as much. Doesn’t matter. both dems and repugs suck. The libs suck too. I dont’ want you to feel left out.

Sometimes I think it might be better just to give in and give the dumb masses what they want, which is everything the Dems tell them they should want. Because most of them have no moral compass, they will cry the loudest and suffer the most anguish when everything comes crashing in

CAN I TURN IN MY NEIGHBOR (OR A FEW GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS) FOR TAX EVASION? What’s that Whitehouse email address?

If I posted something here. Will I get reported to the White House? Be very afraid.

I have dutifully self-reported myself with my full name and address and have requested a complete investigation of my trouble making tendencies to disagree with our Dear Leader.

I guess the Democratic are so lazy that they cannot get on the computer and find comments and information against Obamas health care program. So, they want the conservatives to do their work for them and turn in others. My 6 year old can get on the computer and find this information…..but then, he is computer literate.

‘think-long-term’ had this to say:
“I do not have a problem with anyone’s right to specifically address disinformation, if that is what you are referring to.”
If this mindset does not scare the living hell out of every red-blooded American, then this nation is lost.

Our contitutional government is tasked with protectng our rights and liberties. I cannot belive the audacity of this white house, to ask its supporters to snitch on their neighbors for partisan politicical reasons. This blog request stinks like a rotton fish…and hey, snitches, feel free to foward my sentiments to your dear leader as per his request.

Dear Comrades, more great news! Fearless Leader has announced glorious new security policy to ensure tranquility and prosperity of the State and its valued citizens. Coupled with recently-announced and popular “dissent flagging” initiative, new security policy will be essential element in implementation of Great Plan.
Rather than distract from His greatness, words of His inspiring message will not be quoted here. Instead, please listen for yourself and savor the resounding strength in His voice. Dark Era of capitalist pigs and gun-clinging, hate-mongering, god-spewing conservatives is nearly behind us now!
With proper authorization and State-issued identification number, search for “Obama Civilian Security” on y-o-u-t-u-b-e site.
“Yes we can!”

No, it’s not a violation of the 1st ammendment rights. It’s the start of mass acceptance of a civilian rat nest. The government is actually providing an opportunity to turn all of you into snivelling cowardly rats, who will (sadly) sell your fellow americans out to the biggest wigs of all. And for what? An imaginary or sublinal pat on the back for being a good little american. Stop worrying about your pre-determined political stand point, and face these issues from your own heart and mind for once.

Whats wrong with organizaed opposition?
Isn’t Obama a “community organizer”?

To all,
Obama isn’t the first to implement this kind of program. It long predates the Bush administration.
In fact, it predates email. Both the National Socialist Party of Germany and the KGB of the Soviet Union were the past masters at such snitch programs.
It has finally come to the US that a regime in power is arrogantly employing a “turn in your neighbor” program to deliver up those of us who need re-education. How long before the gulags are built.

I have to laugh at partisans. Thwy will defend ANY action that comes from an ideological friend.They will attempt to justify Orwellian tactics–which this clearly is–so they can silence debate.
Notice the usage of “lies” and “twisting”. Those are words used by persons hoping to dismiss criticism without actually having to explain their position.
It is a tactic that both Right and Left use. This is why I loath both with a passion.

Here’s one you can all forward to the White House.
“The new Fascism, Change you better believe in.”

Wouldn’t it be damn funny if the spammers of the world somehow got the WH “snitchmail” account on their mailing lists? Maybe then Robert Gibbs could finally find a cure for his impotence problem, or at least a nice Rolex knock-off. I know his name is Bob, but I keep wanting to call him E.D.

New bumper sticker: “Being flagged is the highest form of patriotism”

White House is worst than KGB in ex- Soviet Union :-) Only there ‘honest citizens’ were urged by the Communist Party to report and inform on their neighbors, freinds and aquaintances and their ‘fishy’ activities :-) Instead of wasting his time instigating such sick campaigns, Obama should take this time and read those damn bill proposals. But then I guess it’s not that easy for a die hard community organizer (or shall I say agitator : ) to give up old habits, is it : ) Obama is this presposterous character who goes around telling people how great their medical reform proposals are but when asked concrete questions it turns out he has no clue what’s in those bills. Just like those idiotic elected representatives who claim (like that Demtard, forgot his name) that there’s no point for them to read those bills, since there are thousands of pages anyways and not enough time for that :-) What are they paid for exactly? I mean if their staff do all the reading and interpreting for them, shouldn’t we be better off just doubling the salaries of those dilligent staff and dispense of our useless representatives in the process?? I mean, really…what good they are for if they don’t even bother to read the bills they push down taxpayer’s throats…

Amen!

This does not seem to be a DIRECT infringement on the first amendment, though it would tend to have a definite chilling effect, a sort of thin end of the wedge in other words. What is repulsive about this is the White House enlisting individuals in the public to spy on their friends and neighbor, and snitch to Big Brother in the White House. CREEPY!!! This is the leadership of Hope and Change?!? Not for me. What is also creepy is how many people posting here seem ready to defend this creepy behavior.
Furthermore, if Obama is concerned about a lack of integrity in how his programs and policies are presented, he should examine himself.
Now I will see if I have to answer to the government for making this post.

Obama sounds more and more like a dictator to me..He wants to rule the world..slowly our freedoms are being taken away..

When Republicans stop spreading fear with lies such as the healthcare legislation will require the elderly to be euthanized to save money, this won’t be necessary. Why are Republicans afraid to let us have an honest discussion?

Have you all lost your minds?
Is this the result of some mass leg tingling hysteria?
Obama has the LEAST transparent admin. since Nixon. They won’t show results for clunkers, they threaten Senators with taking away funding, his AG cuts black panthers loose who are armed w/ bats – but calls Tea parties a Mob?
People please!

steve @ 5:14pm writes: “A few things to temember: email is really public and not private or privileged speech”
Fine. Then you wont mind if you post your email addresses and passwords so that we can take a look at what you wrote.
“Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech nor does it imply that said speech is collection and analysis”
So you dont mind if I forward those radical words of yours to the RNC?
“If you say it you should stand behind it”
And if you prefer to say it in private, you have that right.

I sent my e-mail telling them how “fishy” I think most of the White house policies are. From Clunkers for Cash to Obama’s citizenship…It all sounds “fishy” to me.

This whole thread scares the hell out of me. How can anyone on any side of the issues approve of Government asking to be informed like this? It is one thing for a citizen to report somthing they consider to be a threat to national security and another to provide Government with a tool which could be used to identify people they consider to be a threat to them. Next step could be to stamp out the threat. I wonder how the love children of the 60s would have felt if they were tracked like this? We would have to ask the 1950′s Hollywood crowd to find out.

Welcome to the USSA. Change we can believe in. Yeah

Why does everything have to be painted republican or democrat? This is about health care. Anyway, here’s a few things I’ve come across. I wonder will these be addressed with civility, or will I simply be classified me as a tin foil hat wearing, swastika carrying extremist?
Many of the 50 million uninsured are illegal aliens or make $50,000 and up.
Nancy Pelosi has characterized town hall protesters as swastika carriers. How does this serve to “stop the misunderstanding”? (protests were patriotic during the Bush Adm.)
Lawmakers have rejected adding themselves to the plan they labor diligently to impose on us. Why should there continue to be two plans. Let’s be efficient here – why maintain the Elite plan separate from the proletariat plan?
Does page 16 of the bill state that you can keep your private plan until you change something or until they drop you, then you must enroll in the public plan?
How many employers will want to pay for your insurance out of their coffers, when they can dump you on the state?
That sure sounds like a trojan horse leading to single payer to me.. Explain how it is not.
Please explain how an insurance company can compete in the free market with the government plan where number fudging, deficit operating, and money printing can be utilized at the taxpayers expense to fund operations?
Government does not run programs efficiently or compassionately. We can see this in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Cash for Clunkers.
Most Americans are satisfied with their care, just not the cost, and in some cases availability.
Other countries with socialized medicine do not have anywhere near the innovation of a private system. This hints at lower advancement in all medicine, since we are number one in innovation.
There are waiting periods for care in socialized countries. We have no facts to illustrate that will not happen here. This is extremely difficult to bear when needing urgent care in particular.
What is our back out/de-installation plan should things not got as promised or intended? In reviewing our history not all good Washington intentions have turned out as planned.

doesn’t it seem a little off to anyone else that they’re asking people to identify the ‘false’ information when no one in this country is qualified to say what information is true and what isn’t. that means they’re asking for all of the emails that are critical of the plan…there doesn’t seem to be any peaceful reason for that to me.

Term limits, plain and simple. We need to end the era of the career politician. No difference between the parties, both want more control and more of your tax money. Really sad we let it get to this point. The founders would be mortified with “We the People”.

I emailed the address given, to turn myself in. I point out the statements of Barak Obama, Barney Franks, Pelosi, reid, etc, etc…so I must be crazy to quote what they say.

Pass this gem along to the White House for me: I read a “fishy” claim that the President’s health care plan would cut health care costs. I’ve never seen any government plan of any kind cut anything involving money ever before. So, they might want to check into the person spreading that obviously “fishy” claim.

The blog doesn’t just ask for spam and those that tell themselves this fallacy do so to enable their state of denial. But I would expect no less from the feeble minded people who continue to follow without question your Messiah Barack Obama. It’s pathetic that any American would support this. And comparing this to what you think President Bush did is a juvenile excuse. This is something like the KGB would ask for and it’s scary. Our President is asking citizens to report on fellow citizens, anything that goes against the party line, directly to the Kremlin er a White House so comrade Obama can decide if it’s acceptable. And if the threat of this reporting somehow thwarts any citizen from voicing their descent it’s definitely an attack on their freedom of speech through intimidation.

Dear Barry,
I have been rooting for your health care plan but it appears to be floundering and lots or people are carping about the public option. Maybe the idea of having a government sturgeon isn’t such a great one. I don’t want to be on your White House Anemones list, but I now find that I do not want the public option. Am I shellfish?

This whole health care scam is just that a scam…it is about POWER…whom ever controls you health care controls your life…with liberals it is all about power and it has been going on for decades…my mother in the late 1950′s wrote to the PA congressional delegation complaining about double taxing my father’s retirement…in part she said they (congress) would not be happy until we (the people) are dependent on them (congress) for everything…where are we now? We have even written into the Constitution a “Right” to health care…how about a “Right” to house insurance or car insurance…where does it all stop…how about if we do something novel like taking responsibility for our own actions…it is our responsibility to take care of our selves not the government…but the reall question is are we capabile?…in most cases I doubt it…

This is the first step, next you inform the White House if someone is smoking in their own house, or flushing the toilet to many times. Do you want the Brown Shirts at your door, or digging in your taxes? It can happen. By the way, the Clintoons practiced the IRS audit often so I wouldn’t worry about something Bush hasn’t done under cover.
We’re be scammed right now and have no idea where the money is going . Wake up!
Don’t be stuck on stupid.

its not about free speech. its about the government making a list of dissenters. hitler did this and had the ss to follow up. so did stalin and his gestapo. i guess we havent learned history. how could anyone be so sure that something is a lie if the bill has not been written yet. all we have at this time is theory.

With a tax cheat in charge of the IRS, how can you be sure they won’t use this information to pore over personal records to find something to hang you with? I mean, look at what they did to Joe the Plumber when he questioned Obama. This is how they do it in Chicago, folks.

Well I truely hope that any of you little lackeys who go about forwarding information and emails to the kremlin get what you deserve. Informants are never trusted by their handlers, they are loathed because of their lack of ethics and moral conviction.
I for one make up my own mind. An email or opinion does not make my mind up for me.
All of you candidate squealers ask yourself this. What do you suppose may happen to you when those whom you betray discover your cowardly actions? Just a question, I mean you should think this through, you are going to betray people and attack their first amendment rights, possibly cause their families to face threats, what would you do?

How many people on here think the United States can afford this health care reform????

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself.
Thomas Paine
In case you lefties don’t understand, it means what comes around goes around.

The 2 comments by Dave at 3:56:56 PM and 4:01:57 PM cover this issue exactly.
People say Bush “did this behind our backs”, etc… and that is not true. Bush never asked ordinary citizens to report to the WH dissenting views. He may have asked us to report suspected terrorist activity and his admin may have been wire tapping lines of suspected terrorists, but that is a completely different scenario.
The point is the GOVERNMENT should not be asking citizens to report other citizens dissenting speech to the GOVERNMENT. Again, put the shoe on the other foot and imagine this request was sent to conservatives to turn in e-mails written by liberals.
So I go to a party and talk with friends and strangers and I happen to state that I think the gov’t will potentially spend too much on gov’t run health care. Someone there instantly emails my name, info, and the color of my shirt and shoes to the WH. And some of you don’t see a problem with that? If not, then wow, we ARE in trouble.

What is the wonderful new Health Care Plan being forced down the American’s throat. Maybe just some of them (that can) should read it…………….

Looked at another way, they are asking you to flag the lying special interests that put that false information out there in the first place.

Do I hear glass breaking…?

This administration is falling apart. By their own words, they have lied repeatedly about their intentions with respect to a government takeover the healthcare system.
You can tell when one is losing a debate when, as Matt Drudge has done over the past few days, your opponent displays, side-by-side, your claim that he has taken your comments out of context right along side an even longer version of your speech wherein it is more than obvious that you were not in any way, shape or form taken out of context. Drudge had used Obama’s own words and videotaped speeches to prove that he is a liar. Now all the Dems can do is to demonize the opposition. But as events have unfolded, it has become clear that with this administration, we are getting the worst of Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and, yes, George Bush.

I just emailed Obama a copy of his own plan. It seemed fishy to me.

its funny bush got blasted for everything but you libs cant take anything about your god who only helps the bums that dont want to work. yes, some of you reading this are the ones that hurt the system. he will never help the middle class and you guys think he is. there is a reason he is trying to hurry this. no reason to push it until everything is right but you fools would rather pass it without know everything. lets learn about it first. also, this is not the white house plan it is pelosi the nuts plan. let me just say look out. you will get your health care and when all this goes bad it will be great when dems get pushed out. it is already happening. i cant wait because libs always think it is just the right wing protesting but your man is falling apart. you guys should be scared that the radicals are killing your party again but instead you are praising them. please keep doing it so soon they will be voted out. that is a fact you can count on. look at the polls. hahahaha

You can bet that any names that can be derived by the White House from “fishy” emails or blogs will be reported to DHS for addition to the national No-Fly list.

Let’s take a quick breather for a quiz:
Who was the first President to propose a serious attempt at universal health coverage?
Did you say Clinton? Er…no….
Carter? Nope.
LBJ? Nice try.
Survey says: Richard Nixon (!)
In essence, Nixon’s plan was to require everyone to have health insurance, with subsidies to those who couldn’t afford the premiums. Unfortunately, a little bit of impropriety called Watergate intervened, and his first successor (Ford) had his hands full just trying to stabilize the country, and the plan was sent to the backburner for future generations to sort out (uhhh…that’d be us, mon)….

What is truly sad is that obviously the majority of people have not either read the Constitution nor paid attention in school. This entire thing is not fishy but rather deeply disturbing, whether you are a fan of BO or GWB. I was never comfortable with the Patriot Act nor the government extensions since.

I have a list of “fishy” statements and claims…It starts with Obama who says one thing and the bill says the complete opposite, then we can move right on down the WH list from Biden to the Press Secy, and whatever Czar can find a camera.
We should put three big rings on the WH lawn. In ring one we have Obama and the media lapdigs, ring two for Congress, and ring three for the activists Judges…then we have all the clown together…let the show begin.

Conservative, Democrat, Republican, Liberal…any and all who are so happy to line up are doing exactly what they want you to.
Health Care?? The problem I have with health care reform is the majority – yes the majority or Americans are perfectly happy with their health care – up to 80% by some polls but never less than 50% by any poll I have seen. So my point is – why is the government trying to “fix” something that evidently isn’t broke for the MAJORITY of people. Not to mention…have ANY of you seen ANY government program work…I mean ANY.
Conservative, Democrat, Republican, Liberal – Not sure about the ideologies but at the end of the day if they have a D or an R or an I next to their name – it seems to me like THEY are the problem…get rid of all of them.

Well while you loyal followers are at it send this to the white house.
A lot of folks, including me, believe that Obama is a serial liar and will say and do what ever it takes to push is agenda down our throat.
Even Obama’s wife told Diane Sawyer during an interview before the election that her husband just says what ever he has to in order to get the votes.

I am a average, hard working citizen of the US and I will say it loudly that I don’t want ANY GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF ANY ASPECT OF MY LIFE! I’m against SOCIALISM and for CAPITALISM/FREEDOM! Yes Healthcare needs reform as many other issues do but Reform doesn’t have to mean “Government Takeover”! I don’t believe the Healthcare issue is really that, a Healthcare issue. I believe it’s about Population Control which is why Obama is all for Abortion and killing off our Seniors and anyone else that might need an expensive surgery, etc! It’s time to take a stand and get these CREEPS out of office! I still can’t figure out how the heck they ever got in there! A bunch of idiots bought a bunch of lies!

As long as the government can’t send ACORN to your door after they read your EMail everything should be just fine.
Not to worry, they would never do that, would they….Sweet dreams.

Whitehouse calls quotes from Obama and others distortions and states they were being quoted out of context, but never provide the actual context as proof of lies. In other words don’t bother listening to evidence, just ignore everything we said until now… errr, now… no, now. Oh, and send your fearless leader all information on other citizens who don’t agree with us while you’re at it.

“Why must Republicans always result to the absurd? It is not a violation of first amendment rights to call a liar a liar and to hold them accountable for their lying if it causes damages to another individual. I see nothing wrong here…only Cronyn’s absurd assertion..”
I’m glad you think this way. Especially since Steny Hoyer was called out on his llies in a town hall meeting. I’ll assume you approve. . .

Getting the Email they don’t agree with sounds like something a thug from Chicago would threaten to do and then do it.
How organised crime of them.
What a shmuck and a Putz that Rham Emanuel is.
I can see him now sitting at his desk with a digital stamp and pages of Emails to go through on his computor. He reads one, stamps it and then forwards it to ACORN; ignores another then stamps ten more.
The stamp says, “To Be Dispatched ASAP”

To remorse’s 5:19 post
Obama hasn’t changed. There were plenty of indicators (though obscure) of his core Marxist ideology. From the communist mentor he references in his book to the Marxist inspired black liberation theology church he attended for 20 years, to his close association with Bill Ayers who launched Obama’s political career in his home, to his use of Alinsky’s organizing tactics. He knows that most Americans aren’t ready to embrace Marxism. This is why he is in such a hurry to force public health care. As one gent from England said, “once it’s established, it’s near impossible to go back.” And as Obama promised during his campaign, he is going to “radically change America”.

Big Brother! This is starting to get real interesting…. and some Americans STILL are not paying attention!!

I have yet to hear those defending Obama state they would have supported Bush on this. The Obama administration is becoming more heavy handed than Bush’s, and now these past critics of Bush are just fine with it. Obama kept most of the programs in place Bush was blasted for, has seized more control, is about as transparent as a lead wall, and now wants citizens to report other citizens to the Whitehouse. Maybe we’ll all get an invite for a beer to talk about our differences.

Btw…Mr. “think-long-term”
Are you really going to preach about haters? The hatred started long before Mr. Obama. Unless you didn’t notice the vitriol that went through all the Bush years. Not to mention that directed at Ms. Palin. Somehow now – folks doing the same thing – are racist and haters.
Granted I don’t like any of it. But civility starts with civility…and in the politics of destruction…the bat swings in all directions.

By the way, this is how Dictators rise. There is NO reason our government needs to know ANYTHING about what our “casual conversations” are. If you don’t think this is Big Brother, I don’t know what could. This is REALLY scary stuff, the American public should be freaking out right now, regardless of party. This kind of thing is unacceptable, and should not be tolerated by the American people.
I could understand if they put up a message saying, “We are looking for suspicious activity related to harming Americans within our country, please be on the look out for possible terrorists, email us with any information so we can keep you safe.”…
This is, “Please email us if anyone is saying anything against what we are trying to push on Americans.”. Scary.

The request is for information. Forwarding does not require sending in names of people.
If I get e-mails forwarded to me that have questionable information I usually go to fact check or snopes. It does not interfere with free speech for me to forward it to flag@whitehouse.gov in an attempt to get at the truth.
This is not about people exchanging ideas. This is about stuff that gets forwarded like the birther nonsense.

deanbob said, “So you like the doctor you have under your employer’s health plan; but the plan is cancelled and your employer chooses a govt plan. How can you be guranteed to get the same doctor?”
Anytime your employer changes providers you can’t be guaranteed to get the same doctor. As a teacher I’ve had that happen to me several times. I could still go to the same doctor, but had to pay more because he wasn’t in the provider’s network.

George,
The point of freedom of speech:
“the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression”.
If one thinks they may be “flagged” for saying something that the govt. doesn’t like, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the 1st ammendment?

Why would the White House need to gather individuals’ emails who disagree with their policies unless they intend to do something about it? Setting up a program specifically for ratting out individual citizens who descent politically is only one step away from targeting those citizens. Is this not extraordinarily obvious?

I wonder how the administration would act if citizens forwarded emails spreading the lies of the Obama administration to that email address? many of the emails I have seen are certainly “fishy”!I bet those emails would be swept under the rug.

I recall how outraged America was when Bush suggested we be on the lookout for possible terrorist in our midst after 9/11. You would have thought he had set up a modern day Gestapo and asked us to rat out our family so they could be tortured to death.
But now it’s OK to suggest that folks send in the Email and Blogs of dissenters.
That’s rich. Mean while Nancy Pelosi is ranting about the folks with swastikas lying about the health care plan.
Fail to believe it at your peril. That Witch would not so much as bat an eye if the dissenters were rounded up, hauled off to an internment camp and reeducated or made to serve time at hard labor indefinitely.
It’s all about your money with her and the people in her party.
Nancy, Harry and Obama, they can’t get enough of your money or spend it fast enough but they are making a good stab at it.

THE PRESIDENTS HEALTH CARE PLAN SUCKS!!!SEND THAT

Didn’t the East German government have citizens report on other citizens? Just a thought.

“So LIZ, You would have been OK with others flagging e-mails regarding protesting the war in Iraq and sending them to the Bush White House to determine if they were accurate and/or to refute them? At least be honest about it.”
Seriously, are you trying to reason with liberal drones?

The point is not that people will be sending emails to the White House. Of course they’re free to do that. But the bigger question is WHY DOES OBAMA NEED TO KNOW? Is he going to silence the dissenters? And how can you libs keep accusing conservatives of opposing this bill “just because it came from the Obama White House” or because he’s “not our color”. We’re the ones quoting from the bill and detailing why it is a bad IDEA. But instead of refuting any of our arguments, you just call us racist and bigoted. Who is really being small-minded?

The only “fishy” claim I heard about Obama’s health care plan is that it will “save” us money! Hats off to the CBO Director for setting the facts straight in that respect.

Sorry Charlie, but Cornyn is one sorry tuna.
(Brought to you by Starkist.)

“Those who intentionally target the elderly spreading fear with their half-truths and out and out lies in order to stop healt care reform ARE TERRORISTS!!!!”
You mean like democrats who scare the elderly with the lie that if they elect republicans, they’ll take away your social security? lol

This is clearly a violation of free speech. The government should NOT ask citizens to report on other citizens. This is scary stuff that doesn’t bode well for the future of our country.

1st Amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Apparently THIS is ANOTHER document that that POTUS Hussein failed to read???
Anyone wanting to be a “rat” and drop a dime on me to the White House, feel free to do it !!!
I personally could care less because I have the truth on MY side !!!
We will take THIS one ALL the way to the Supreme Court !!!

“We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.” ~John Stuart Mill
“We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.” ~John F. Kennedy
“It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships that they give credibility to the opinions they attack.” Voltaire

I can’t beleive so many Libs support this. The collection of public disagreement with the White House and they collecting the ip adresses is very predictive of what’s to come. See ya in a FEMA camp soon.

So this is what it’s like to live in a totalitarian dictatorship! 2+2=5 Obama is not asking anyone to spy on anyone else. Obama doesn’t want to be dictatorial about healthcare, or the environment. No! Obama wants you to have a choice by giving you no choice; he wants to give you freedom of expression but it better be the correct expression. But really…he’s not a dictator.

Partisonship is all I see here. The government has absolutely no right to ask for ANY email that I may send to someone.
What if a friend were to send the government a personal email that I had sent them privately concerning healthcare?
What is the ramification of a email that I might send? Is my email and IP going on a list? Will I have my Internet usage tracked?
I voted for change. I voted for a stop to the sickining policies of the past. Nothing has changed. Obama and the congress are only out for themselves and their political friends. Vote them all out in 2010 and lets send some REAL Americans to Washington that will look out for the American citizens.

Wait a minute. Isn’t it President Obama who is lying and sounding fishy??
He says he’s not for single payer nationalized healthcare now, as he tries to pass a bill for stage one of the nationalized healthcare…while video clips clearly show him saying he’s “a proponent of single payer national healthcare” quote un quote!!! Saying it in 2003, 2007 and again in 2008.
His language is softer now because he needs to get the bill passed and like Barney Frank and others, they know they can’t call it single payer nationalized healthcare or it’ll never pass.
That’s the lie, that’s what’s FISHY! Gimme a break. ANd his asking citizens to flag the emails of other citizens is fishy and scary…admit it.

Maybe Obama does not feel the same today as in the 2003 clip of him speaking. But calling it disimformation is a stretch and the white house over-reaction by asking the public to send in chain emails that are ‘fishy’.. is alarming.