Here’s Johnny!: Isakson Pushes Back on “Death Panels” – But Also on House Democrats’ Bill

So giving doctors a financial incentive to discuss end-of-life issues whether the patient wants to or not is basically the same thing as empowering the insured to have that discussion should they so choose? I have a lot of respect for you Jake, but you seem to be buying the White House’s spin on this one…

Logan’s Run..Great science FICTION movie or so I thought….Insurance Reform, Yes, Tort Reform, Yes…NO to Obama’s science fiction health care plan.

Maybe at some point, there will be some real reporting of what is actually in these bills. Would be helpful since neither elected officials nor journalists actually read what they are voting on/writing about.
This bill will NOT cut costs whatsoever. Adding individual and employer mandates will increase costs and small businesses will have to lay people off if they *have* to provide health insurance for employees. If we want to do something useful, divorcing health insurance from employment, without a mandate, would be more useful.

Are you neo-cons against “living wills”? That’s what the GREAT controversy is over, whether the government should reimburse people for consulting about how they want to be treated if in a coma. What’s wrong with you people? Are you so paranoid and frightened of life that you think the government is “after you”? WOW….
I knew you neo-cons were dumb, but christallmighty, are you delirious?

Oops, another lie from jugears. Put that on the pile with his claims that ARRP endorsed his plan (they haven’t), that his plan is budget neutral – it isn’t according to the CBO, and that he isn’t for a single payer option- proven a lie several times by video of himself saying he WAS in favor of single payer.
Liar liar, mom jeans on fire.

JR, I hope you have a living will stating that no life saving technique should be used.

Even if they’re correct about this portion of the bill, your skill going to have a panel set up rules for who gets what treatment (mandatory ‘guidelines’…). Also, the UK did have panels that judged individual’s worth in regards to transplants (true death panels)… ergo… its not off the wall to think this bill will be step on way to similar things here. And fun fun fun, it will all play out in the public / political sphere….

Isakson is playing games while no one is pushing back at the insurance companies that continue to appear to be untouchable. To add the clause seems simply put dum. To hold up and sabotage the whole concept of affordable insurance is just as crazy as Countrywide having a VIP loan list with members of congress on it (not to mention blocking the subpoena). This is not a game but when big business open their wallets this is what you get from people with free insurance that we are paying for.

I would make sure we have the real transcripts before we believe anything Ezra Klein says. He is more an arm of the Administration than Linda Douglass, and Linda Douglass is scarier than Big Brother from 1984. The media has been lying to you about Obama every day. They told you he was moderate, but he’s a communist like both of his parents. If you have a job and pay income tax Obama hates you and wants you to subsidize his community. That’s why he organized it.

“SEC. 440. HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES
11 WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EX12
PECTING CHILDREN.”
Wow. Obama is going to have ACORN tell us how to raise our kids!

You know how you can be certain this plan is pathetic?
Obama won’t be in it.
No plan that does not include Obama and his family should be passed.

“No plan that does not include Obama and his family should be passed.”
Try that with public school!

Obama today:
“I have not said I was a single payer supporter”
Obama 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan.”
So what does one call a person who does this?

Arlen Specter took very tough questions.
Obama’s townhall was the only one that wasn’t fiery. Hmmmmmmm
Something the WH wants Obama to avoid at all costs.
It would be a PR nightmare to see a crowd with the majority against Obamacare.
In other words an audience that relects the polls and the people.

Should note it is the link for the 2007 amend to title XV111

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Aug 11, 2009 8:05:32 PM
That would be one and the same!

You can always sue Cigna Health Care. Try suing the government.

It’s not the money, Tyler. It’s the control.
Obama does not believe that there’s anything government can’t do.
That’s because he’s never worked a real day in his life.

Ezekial Emanuel
Do the research.
This is who Obama appointed as a health policy adviser.
I believe Palin’s Death Panel statement terrifies Obama.
It put a huge spotlight on the end of life issue.

“That’s because he’s never worked a real day in his life.”
I cannot restrain myself from pointing out the ridiculousness of that assertion every time you post it Dr. Obama has been working one of the hardest jobs on Earth day after day for months now under politically and economically arduous circumstances. We’re not in anything like the roaring ’20s here.

Wish someone had asked Obama whether that “right to health care” that he has been promising will be a right held by each individual American, or a right in favor of the “community” that will be exercised by a politically appointed committee setting the rules based on “community values” for the delivery of health and treatment services to all Americans on the basis of circumstances like, say, age or quality of remaining life or maybe even whether the economy goes real bad so that certain services and treatments for certain people are denied because it would violate the community’s right to health to care?
With these follow-up questions:
What the heck is “communitarianism” all about, anyway, and does it have anything to do with all the policies you’re intending to enforce with your “fundamental” reforms for the financial industry, the car industry, the health care and health insurance system, the cap and tax bill, your yet-to-be-announced-in-any-real-detail-but-still-upcoming reform of our education system, and his similarly mysterious reform for immigration?
Since these questions were missed at you town hall today, maybe Obama could cover both of them in a “Major Speech” entitled:
“What I’m Really Going To Do When I Say I Will Fundamentally Change America”.
Maybe he’ll give that “major speech” real soon? Like, sometime before he rams through any more bills as “urgent” and “necessary” to save the country from imminent total collapse?
And maybe he’ll throw Americans a bonus bone in that speech by describing what exactly is his proposal for that big immigration reform that he promised in Mexico a few days ago, especially as it relates to the actual number of folks who’ll be covered by his still pending health reforms proposal.
Might be nice to know all the bad news before jumping off anymore cliffs.
And we do have a little tradition that involves the “consent” of the governed.
Informed consent.

Obama some how believes that holding townhalls with his immediate family and the press will somehow help him. He should have gone out in the street in front of the building and tried to convince the 54% of the American Public that are against his bill.
Of course that would take courage and a thick skin. Something this whiner sorely lacks.

robtr | Aug 11, 2009 9:05:38 PM
Yeah right. Nobody should be fooled into thinking that the people who showed up to disrupt the meetings represent the 54%, or that anybody could convinced them of anything.

People who want this health care act shouldn’t be offended that there is opposition to it, does anyone remember amnesty for illegals, who was President and who opposed it? Yep, the same people who are now trying their best to get their Representatives to at least read the bill before they are for or against it.
So relax, there are enough Democrats to speed us forward to a mega welfare state and Soros is coming to the rescue with fresh money to hire ssome protesters. One has to wonder that if we slip into 3rd world status will Soros do to us what he did to Indonesia?

If you think about it, uh…uh…uh, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine.
[pause]
Right? Th-The, uh, no, they are! I mean, i-it’s-it’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.
ROTFLMFAO!!!!

When all the shouting, threats, lies and misnomers are all done, Congress will go back to DC to reconcile the various bill on the docket. All the looney arguments and outright lies and missunderstanding…WON’T EVEN BE DEBATED or even mentioned. The only debate will be what is ACTUALLY in the bills…..not all of that “death panel” talk. None of this nonsense will even be entertained on the floor of Congress. So…….get it all out of your collective system while you have the chance, because when all the Town Hall Meetings are over with……Congress WILL go back to DC and reconcile WITHOUT EVEN mentioning the lunatic fringe positions that grabbed the headlines in the media. You have been had….because instead of Republicans actually adding something substanitive to any of the reforms, they will be SHUT OUT because the only thing they want to talk about is not in any of the bills. YOU HAVE BEEN snookered

Isakson said:
Eighty percent of the cost of health care to me, to you, and to anybody else happens in the last 60 days of life. More often than not, people are not in a condition to make a decision for themselves. Because of laws, and because we are a compassionate nation, the physician will keep you alive as long as he can. If you had a chance, you might rather say if I am being hydrated and given nutrition but will never become conscious again, I give the doctors the authority to make the appropriate medical decision. The money that would save is in the ‘gazillions’ of dollars–if there is such a number. It would help us to manage that cost.

They already know what they are going to do. we know now what we must do. “All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing”.

The Status Quo are selling propaganda and downright lies, across the TV, radio bandwidths. LIES! Lies and more lies about both Health care and illegal immigration. The facts are that President Obama has an objective of introducing a Canadian and European type single payer system. In truth it’s like a nationwide–MEDICARE–like all senior citizens receive now. It’s only difference their will be–NO CO-PAYS, DEDUCTIONS, NO PREMIUMS AND NO PRE -EXISTING CONDITIONS. The Special interest lobbyists, who work for the wealthy health care industry, are using every means possible to derail any kind of Universal health care. We must remember the British/English, French, German, Danish and other have been well accepted by their population for decades, with no worries about bankruptcy or Debt collectors calling. My health care in England, was first class when I lived in there, without financial worries and no distractions from profiteering insurance companies.
Since the inception of the European common market and the directive of open borders for cheap labor pouring into the industrialized nations, they have been overwhelmed by the impoverished needing health care. Such conditions didn’t exist before the 1960′s, as the their was no mass immigration and waiting periods. In America today and since the newest waves of legal and illegal immigration, costs to medicate these people have sky rocketed who have never paid one penny into the system. Each previous government never have restricted immigration, but allowed taxpayers to pay for their health care and welfare benefits. Each year approximately 1.5 million new immigrants are granted work visas and many become public charges.
Now Obama is insisting on yet another AMNESTY, which will be even costlier to the American taxpayers, so says the Heritage foundation. American taxpayers should not have to subsidize US businesses, which has been happening for years? A large majority of pariah corporate executives, do not want any restrictions on foreign national workers, that is why they have tried to kill a mandated E-Verify identity data base, to extract all illegal immigrants from the working environment.
That SANCTUARY STATES like California must rescind illegal immigrant refuge policies. That President Obama’s health care renewal plan—WILL–attract millions more impoverished people from around the world. That they can join with the 20 plus million already here, to get free medical care under the Democrats law now passing through Congress.
MY QUESTION IS! WHY SHOULD TAXPAYERS SUPPORT THE ILLEGAL LABOR FOR THE PARASITE CORPORATE ENTITIES ACROSS AMERICA? CALL TODAY AND GIVE POLITICIANS AT 202-224-3121 YOUR CRESCENDO OF FRUSTRATION? THAT’S ALL THEY UNDERSTAND–WHEN THEIR JOBS ARE IN PERIL. GOOGLE NUMBERSUSA AND JUDICIALWATCH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CORRUPTION AND PROFITEERING FROM BOTH PARTIES. OVERPOPULATION will be the irreversible consequences of mass immigration.

I was in the hospital room visiting my father who was in his late seventies when his cardiologist came into the room,notified him that he had reached his “benefits limit” and his care was “no longer covered”,and discharged him from the hospital–still sick.
My brother had to come from Texas, get my father, and add him to his own health plan in order for my father to get the pace maker which saved his life.
My father’s initial “health plan”?
Veteran’s benefits earned during battle in WWII,and …MEDICARE !!!
They can talk all they want, I have seen the truth with my own two eyes.

RE: The raucous Town Halls: I have no problem with people protesting or debating the issues, that’s the American way, but do people have to behave like guests on the Gerry Springer show? A little dignity and respect for our fellow citizens would be nice.
The “Patriotic” Right always claims to love America, they just don’t love Americans.

Tane,
Thanks for the reminder that we have you and your fellow Dem.s to blame for this fiasco of an administration. Only 8 months into it and nothing but significant damage brought on by his desire to change the US for the worse.
Over 3 more years of this guy to go and then we still have to let our children dig themselves out of the tax burden for a couple of more generations.
Thanks again

Has anyone noticed that AARP has suddenly come out and emphasized that they are NOT on board with Obamacare (after quietly promoting it)?
I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that so many seniors are cancelling their memberships?

From Rasmussen:
42% favor Obamacare
53% against Obamacare
32% favor public option
57% against public option

This “death panel” business is absolutely without merit. My mother recently died in March from an irreversable vetebral stroke. She was in fact “brain dead”. She had had a heart attack while she was in ER and her liver and one remaining kidney was failing. My mother had an advance directive and had had made it absolutely clear that she only wanted aggressive relief of pain and suffering and no artificial life support. After consultation with the attending physician, my sister and I decided to not seek further invasive tests and expose my mother to further pain. The hospital gave her comfort care. While the entire process was not easy, I thank god that my mother had made HER wishes very clear BEFORE she couldn’t speak or function. Everyone will die someday. I, myself, have leukemia and have been given a 10-year life expectancy. I do have an advance directive and healthcare proxy. Every responsible adult should also get one. This outright lie denigrates the medical profession and every family that has to make these difficult decisions. I’m almost hoping and praying that some (not all), but some of these hysterical disrupters keep this up and keep bringing up Nazi themes and the like. Every time they do this, this makes Obama look a little more reasonable and rational and inoculates him politically. What the Republican party doesn’t realize is that their tactics are all backwards. They should be rationally and reasonably be protesting parts of the House bill (which I even don’t like as a Democrat) and offering rational solutions, such as tort reform. Alot of this anger is about the role of government in general, not healthcare in particular. I, for one, am supporting healthcare reform, because no insurance company will cover me with my pre-existing condition. I hope and pray that all of you posters face the fact that one day, you too, will be faced with a chronic and/or life-threatening disease and be desperate for medical coverage with no where to turn.

Linus: There is change…change where if you want to know something you can go on the web and find it, not like before find out after the fact. Also there is a change in how the women now earn the same pay as men…a change I can agree with…also a change in bringing home the soldiers in honor not behind back doors in shame….they deserve at least that…a change where vets returning from the war, get an education to help them find jobs…not too bad…a health care for children alredy signed…not to bad an idea…at least they won’t be turning up at the emergency rooms…change where meetings are open to all…I could not get into a Bush meeting….no waterboarding…this was law no one paid attention to it…respect among nations again…I can deal with that. Yes, there are some changes…ones I can live with….for those who are crying about taxes…nothing has changed. Those making under 250,000 have not seen a change…so is that enough change for anyone?

It never ceases to amaze me the liberals outrage over their members being shouted down at these Town Hall meetings, yet when a conservative speaker at a liberal college is shouted down, that’s perfectly fine…Old double standard at work. And “scare” tactics?…Dems play the Class & Race card scare tactics in every election…

“It never ceases to amaze me the liberals outrage over their members being shouted down at these Town Hall meetings, yet when a conservative speaker at a liberal college is shouted down, that’s perfectly fine.”
So its ok to shout down your fellow constituents because of what some college students did to a conservative speaker?
Do right wingers EVER take responsibility for their own actions?

To be fair to the white house they can’t be expected to get the details correct. Why does he even need t mention a republican why not address the bill before congress now. I listened to the presidents answer and he passed/ glossed it over in generalities and partisanship. No mention of every 5 years or after your diagnosis becomes terminal or chronic the government making sure that end of life checklist is repeated and repeated. Anyway the ammendment sounds like coverage for an option someone can choose if they want to. The tone and content seem distinctly different to me. Please keep trying to make excuses for them they are the white house stand on the merits, let people decide or give it up. This is america I really think with better regulations the private sector will handle this better and hey it could create new job too boot.

I thought we were a Christian Nation?
It seems to me that people that call themselves Christians should maybe reread their Bible, or at least read it the first time. Start with Matthew 24, 25
Christ talked more about feeding the hungry and taking care of the sick more than anything else
But you hear these so called Christians are screaming the loudest against healthcare for all.
Well when they die we know they at least we know they won’t be going up.

Linus: Right, in only eight months President Obama has got the economy back on track, tapered down the mess in Iraq, rescued one of our largest manufacturers from bankruptcy, and started to undo the mess George Bush left behind. But I guess since he’s black, President Obama will never do a single thing that you admire? Is that what you learned in your civics class?

BOOT ISAKSON!!!
He is NOT defending conservative values! He releases little tidbits about being against certain things but he continually joins in with the Democrats.
When have you ever heard him LOUDLY and STRONGLY denounce liberal/socialist agendas AND vote against it 100%?
To me he is just another Washington sellout. DO NOT reelect this guy. Let’s elect a firm conservative that is not “owned and operated” by the Republican party or New World Order crowd. BOOT HIM OUT OF OFFICE!!!