Kerry and Hatch on “What Would Teddy Do?”

Kerry was Sen. Kennedy’s boy. Now he trying to grow up into his own…but he can’t get over being a blowhard.

Rhetoric needs to stop while SOMEONE SOMEWHERE drafts a SINGLE bill (of 100 pages or so…), puts it online, and lets all of Congress and constituents READ it. Then the debate will be meaningful. The only thing anyone knows now, is that if the Democrats ram it through, they’ll all be going home soon.

“windturbines on cape cod..finally”
LOL, I love it!

We need a public option. To those republican blowhards out there I have a reminder for you:
Elections have consequences. This is the consequence of the election, we promised a health care bill with a public option, that’s what we’re doing. When you won, you started a preemptive war and screamed about how elections had consequences when we cried foul. Well, shoes on the other foot and instead of starting an unnecessary war, we’re going to give all Americans health insurance. If you want to be part of it, stop scaring people read the bills (I have) and participate in the process, don’t just block it. Elections have consequences, you lost so hey, welcome to democracy.

Because the intent of public option is to kill single payer.
Because people who are having problems paying for medicine are not going to be able to afford the co-pay for a doctor visit or hospital stay even if insurance is subsidized by the government. It solves nothing and it puts even more people at risk due to the mandatory insurance coverage that they are trying to build into public option and because I understand very well that public option cannot succeed without mandatory coverage.
And then there’s the fact even with mandatory coverage and government subsizidation, it is my belief that insurance companies will be constructing loopholes for themselves and they will get passed by a congress eager to please major donors. And I really wish people would stop to think before hopping on a bandwagon.
When people feel the full effect of public option they’re going to get mad and they’re going to blame the democratic party. Single payer is the only thing that would have worked and Obama and the upper echelon of the democratic party have rejected it.

Well here’s a novel notion, Healthy in MA. Salaries have fallen too low for people to sustain themselves and their families.
Why are corporations expected to make a profit and private individuals expected to take a loss via low wages?

There are times when “something” is worse than “nothing”. This is one of them.
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I couldn’t disagree more. It is far too easy to do nothing and too many in Congress want to take the easy way. Get the bill done…Unless you agree HealthCare reform is simply not needed as it seems some seem to think…A good plan done quickly is better than a perfect plan too late. And there is a lot of good in the plan…

Try this again.
So you subsidize their premium through a private health entity. They trot down to the doctor’s office with their public option and see the doctor and are surprised to find that they’re going to have a co-pay of X amount of dollars for the visit and X amount for a prescription. They have to pay the co-pay (if they have it) before they leave. Will they have enough to pay for a prescription? Not necessarily.
Or they trot down to the doctor’s office with their public option and see the doctor and are surprised to find that they’re going to have a co-pay of X amount of dollars for the visit and are sent to the hospital (maybe because they couldn’t afford to buy the medicine?) for a few days. When they leave the hospital they’re told they have a co-pay for several thousand dollars that they’re going to pay for how?
Or. They aren’t eligible for the government help with insurance but, due to mandatory rules associated with public option, find that they MUST buy insurance find themselves unable to buy a new/used refrigerator or stove or a new or used car. Again, co-pay is a problem.
How grateful to the democratic party do you think these people are going to be for being given insurance coverage that they are can’t afford to use or take advantage of? Sometimes “something” is worse than “nothing”. This is one of those times.

Well here’s a novel notion, Healthy in MA. Salaries have fallen too low for people to sustain themselves and their families.
Why are corporations expected to make a profit and private individuals expected to take a loss via low wages?
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Jan, This is not a matter of big corp trying to abuse private individuals. I am all for better wages. In fact I haven’t had a pay increase in a decade and don’t have health coverage as a work benefit. We are a non profit who was trying to provide wages to people who are too often overlooked in our society. But we have a system that appears to be contrary to the opportunity to help the less advantaged person gain the emotional and economic benefits of working. The point is that partisan rhetoric, whether Democrat or Republican, is not the solution to healthcare reform. If Massachusetts is going to be used as a model then an objective intelligent understanding of all the facts is essential before it is rolled out as yet another unchangeable Federal program with underestimated consequences that our great grandchildren will be burdened by.

If reduction in cost is our goal – 1. Allow competition for health insurance over state lines, 2. Real Tort Reform – loser pays for all legal expenses, 3. Tax credits for all uninsured to purchase their own coverage. All of these options will help reduce cost and not increase our deficit.
Government run health care is not the answer. medicare, social security, the post office are all broke. Not a good business model unless you are a union member willing to bankrupt the country to benefit your income.
Having government run health care is the equivelant to the DMV managing our health. When was the last time the DMV showed you that they were competent?
We need less government with a 9 Trillion dollar debt lurking around the corner. According to the COB, costs will increase, and rationing will take place.

It is impossible to have this discussion with Hatch involved. He is still spouting the GOP talking points based upon misinformation rather than fact and the good of the American people. Hatch seems to have adopted all that is wrong with the Republican party. Lipstick on a pig.

Who cares what Ted Kennedy would do? He had 40 some years to get stuff done. Let the new senator deal with it and quit trying to move a political agenda. Let the people of the country decide with an election of the next senator of Mass.

Nobody but nobody outside of DC or Massachusetts cares anything about what Kennedy would have done or what John Kerry thinks. This entire hoopla shows just how out of touch with the citizens that politicians are.

You can learn a lot from fables and fairy tales. For instance, in the story “The Gingerbread Man.” the conniving fox pretends to be the Gingerbread Mans friend by promising him a ride across the river .The fox first lured the delicious man onto his tail , then as the water got deeper, onto his back, and finally onto his nose where he devoured the unsuspecting cookie. I have come to realize our Government is much like the Fox trying to take us for a unsuspecting ride with billion dollar bailouts, Cap and Trade and their latest version of Health Care . The Liberals are promising they will save us as they swim us into deeper and deeper amounts of debt. Lines like ,”We are only gonna tax the rich” or “it will only cost the average American the equivalent of a postage stamp a day” remind me of how Pinnochio’s nose which was normal at first grew uncontrollably..
Cap n Trade meant to save us from a climatic disaster should be called “The Emperors New Clothes!” Back in the 70s we had Global Cooling. Then in the 80’s and 90s it became Global Warming . Now because of a couple colder than normal year is taking on the new name Climate Change In reality there is no proof that any of these supposed changes are human caused or that, “ the sky is falling .” However, thanks to us, many third world leaders will be getting lots of new clothes out of the deal and anyone who disagrees will be called stupid.
In the story Little Red Riding Hood the Wolf devoured Grandma just as the Government is trying gobble up her current health plan and then gobble up the health care provider, Little Red Riding Hood. Meanwhile in reality, the wolf or trial lawyer, gets off Scot free.
Let’s see 40 million people added to the plan, no new doctors. I think that adds up to rationing. Maybe its time to take Grandma and Grandpa for a walk out in the woods
When has the Government run any program successfully? Let’s see they took over Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and we all know how that worked out. Medicare and Social Security are on the verge of bankruptcy. Canada’s own socialized health care system which ours will model is “about to implode;” according to Canada’s own Dr. Anne Doig The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association Boy , that sure sounds like another Cinderella story to me
Meanwhile our liberal leaders like the boy who cried wolf continue to use scare tactics to get us into their jaws . The only question left is should we Run! Run! As fast as we can or should we be yelling “Not by the hair on our chinny chin chin

“If we had some method of getting our inputs to the congress it might help.”
Here’s a better idea: just vote for people who will actually do something you want them to. That is, after all, why we elect our leaders.
Stop being lemmings. Quit voting for Democrats because your a Democrat. Quit voting for Republicans because you’re a Republician.
Force the government to change the laws that forbid good people from running for office at all.

Scott Odonnel — You said Hatch was just repeating “GOP talking points based upon misinformation” — Do, please, give us an example of the “misinformation” of which you speak!! — Give me a point he’s made and WHY it is wrong!! PLEASE!!!

John Kerry kicked off his political career by lying about his experiences in Viet Nam…you do remember those wrenching scenes from the hearings, right, well, he has no credibility. He was a wannabe then, and is a never was now. The media will use anyone and do anything to finish their creation, Prince Teddy.

Left,right,Republican, Democrat … none of this really matters outside the Beltway. I DID read this bill when it was first rolled out, and got all the way to Page 6 before I had to quit reading in order to settle my stomach. People, you need to really READ this legislation, and read it carefully.
Did you know if you are covered by, for example, a good health plan where you work, and you leave that employment, you are automatically placed under this insurance, and can never again even apply for private insurance? Even if you take a job with an employer who offers the best health plan the world has ever seen, YOU are NOT allowed to join it! When this plan was proposed by Obama during the election campaigning it was supposed to take care of the 15% of us without any health care, but that is definitely NOT what has been put forth.
Folks, this is not “health care reform”; this is the government taking over all of your health care and never again giving you a choice in the matter. It is a massive “bait and switch” con job which will drive private carriers out of business. But hey, maybe we shouldn’t worry; after all, we all KNOW how good the Government is at taking care of us. Just look at the wonderful job the current administration has done with lowering the deficit!

I’m rather surprised given what you wrote about Kerry and Kennedy that you ever voted for democrats. The comment you’ve made are usually associated with another party.
When Kerry appeared in Congress he was using an ideal our leaders assured us we were over in Vietnam fighting for; freedom of speech over here.
Jane Fonda. I’m always surprised that people give an actress far more credit or discredit than we usually give actors and actresses. Perhaps she’s a convenient whipping post.
The late Ted Kennedy. We weren’t there. He may have hit his head and been dazed and confused after the accident or he may have just walked away as you believe. We’ll never know and I have never believed in trying to flog people after death. What we do know is that he raised his own kids and helped raise some fatherless kids who appear to have done well. I think that counts for something. Certainly there are a lot of men who have not done that much. I consider the rest of it between him and God.
How you can apparently believe George Bush II to be a better person than Kerry is beyond my comprehension. He just spent 8 years literally selling the entire nation.

THE ONLY THING TED KENNEDY`S PASSING
SHOULD COUNT FOR , IS THE DEATH OF
LIBERAL/ SOCIALISM IN AMERICA.!!!
IT`S GOING TO BE A GOVERMENT FOR THE
PEOPLE, NOT FOR ITSELF. ONE PERSON, ONE
VOTE!DOES`NT MATTER WHAT TED WOULD DO.
P.S. BY THE WAY,TED QUOTED ONE PERSON,ONE VOTE MANY TIMES.!!!