‘Nobody Is Collecting Names’: White House Responds to Charge It’s Monitoring Speech of Health Care Reform Opponents

Fishy is as fishy does.
But don’t worry — Our Sun King and Queen Antoinette Michelle will save us from the mobs!!

I’m not worried about this. Rahm can’t even get threatening letters to Comgressman right.

Cornyn just wants the Republicans to be able to spread disinformation under the radar. I’m all for bringing their schemes to light. Sunight is the best disinfectant.

“Cornyn just wants the Republicans to be able to spread disinformation under the radar. I’m all for bringing their schemes to light. Sunight is the best disinfectant.”
BINGO!

“I’m not worried about this. Rahm can’t even get threatening letters to Comgressman right.”
Are you sure the right wing wants to talk about letters?
“A trade group representing coal producers and power companies says that it indirectly hired a lobbying firm that sent fake letters to lawmakers purporting to be from nonprofit groups opposed to climate-change legislation.”

Point counterpoint, That’s the way it should be. If it’s an outright lie it needs to be exposed. When that happens the person involved with telling the lie should be exposed.

Go see page 425: You are not required to use end of life care. If you do want to plan your end of life care, the government will pay for it. It is an option not a requirement. So if you want to consider whether or not to do hospice you can get advice paid for.
The distortions of the lobbyists and the extremists who are against Obama care are making dupes of a lot of people.

Page 50: All US non-citizens illegal or not will be covered with free care.
Page 59: The government will have real time access to all citizens bank accts.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans.
Aren’t you glad you voted for that hope and change BO promised?

Everytime I contact my senator (one Rep, one Dem) I get a response, same with House. Enough that I have told them to not waste the postage.
To think that names, addresses, etc are not being kept means that you are TOTALLY ignorant as to what age we are in. Obama is the guy who had all the technology to get millions of dollars. he is tracking and will continue to do so.

busybee: if you replace “government” with “insurance company” you would describe the situation now. I guess it’s OK as long as it’s not the scary government doing it.
I bet you guys complaining now were just as worked up about the domestic surveillance started by Bush, right?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the white house providing responses upon request to questions from it’s citizens. It only becomes threatening to those that would like to have those questions unanswered.
Out of 157 countries. The US is the ONLY one who cannot provide paid maternity leave for it’s citizens. Most of those countries have more than 6 months. AND they seem to be able to do it using less of a percentage of their budget. There are issues with any system, but anyone who thinks what we have now is free market, is just plain delusional. Private companies pay for whole departments to fight your claims, whole departments to market themselves, and bloated management budgets. The US govt stands to profit most by having a happy, healthy working class improving the GDP, not an ill population addicted to expensive drugs. Having a Federal option as competitor to the private companies will lower your costs and provide a free market which is why is it so threatening to those that have a monopoly on the market of your health with, not your health, but the bottom line as their goal.

Setting up a web based snitch portal is the stuff of insecure politicians and Oamam changes his mind when he thinks the polls will react by changing his position to sound more acceptable. Now that’s fishy! Didn’t Stalin try this approach, what gall! Obama and the Congressional Democrates are out of touch with working Americans. Heck Pelosi sees “Swastikas” at Town meetings as she jets to and fro on a tax payer funded private jet.That’s fishy. The liberal media spreading the leftists message….Priceless! Where’s Voltaire when you need him.

If the Bush administration had done this, there would already be lawsuits in half the nation.
And seriously folks, does anyone in here think that misinformation in emails isn’t already being handled by snopes and factfinder? Why in the world would a presidential administration want to get into that business, especially when they too will only present one side? This is beyond rediculous and into the realm of shock.

BusyBee…I commend you for taking the time to research this and read it….now tell me why can’t our elected leaders? Oh right…they don’t understand the meaning of “lead”…esp the POTUS.

When it comes to healthcare, we as a nation are pigeonholed into the same tired viewpoints which ignore the underlying problem– our current healthcare sucks, and we pay a fortune for it. Medical bills, not mortagegs, are the #1 cause of bankruptcy filings in the US.
The current bill was sponsored by the medical and insurance industries specifically for their benefit, not ours. Expect no miracle cure from these pariahs. The issues are widespread and systemtic, and bureaucratic tweaking by the same folks who created the problem will be just as effective as what we’ve seen with the banks and Wall Street.

–One idiot at a consulting firm decides to have fun at his temp job by sending fake letters – that’s astroturfing.”
Actually that is EXACTLY what astroturfing is.–
Tell Rahm!

I thought it was stupid of the WH to suggest such actions. They will hear of any disinformation soon enough. I do not understand why they gave the goons fodder.

“If the Bush administration had done this, there would already be lawsuits in half the nation. ”
OPERATION TIPS rings any bells?
Asking everyone from the postman to the meter reader to spy on Americans.
I would take this outrages about civil liberty more seriously from the right if they did not embrace a police state most of the time.

Why are the Republicans so against American citizens getting the facts? They organize Mobs so people who would like to ask questions, so they can make up their own minds can’t. They want their rumors and lies to unchallenged, do they not work for the American people? Do we not as a free society have the right to make up our own minds? You righties have made up yours, be it through research (doubtful) of following Rush. Please allow the rest of us the opportunity to ask questions. If there is a wild rumor (like killing grandma, or forced abortions) why shouldn’t one give the WH the opportunity to debunk it?

I am sure that Cornyn is one who creates misinformation. He is just another obfuscating, nefarious, hypocritical Republican.
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The answer to the health insurance problem is to bring down health costs by implementing Tort Reform. But of course we will never see that happen because the white house is in bed with the Lawyer Lobby. First campaign promise broken in just one week in office no lobbyists. If the meidical malpractice lotter were ended, Health insurance would be affordable to all.

So, Republicans were okay with spending over a trillion dollars on the killing of innocent women and children of a sovereign foreign nation, all based on the WMD lies, as well as all the baggage that came with that; Abu Ghraib, No-bid contracts,
But,
They’re not okay with spending money on healing people of their OWN COUNTRY.
So, war and killing is okay but not healthy American citizens.

Come on folks. If the Bush administration had suggested that people forward “fishy” emails to the White House, there would have been an uproar.
If Bush had responded to protesters by supporting an ad calling little old ladies part of a “mob”with manufactured anger – there would have been an uproar! Love him or hate him, at least Bush respected protesters and even when they were camped out in front of his Texas ranch, he told the press that protests were part of the American process.
I’m actually a conservative democrat but I don’t understand why the press and American people have such a laissez-faire attitude toward Obama – it makes no sense. I actually miss having a press corp that is critical of Washington.

“The answer to the health insurance problem is to bring down health costs by implementing Tort Reform. But of course we will never see that happen because the white house is in bed with the Lawyer Lobby. First campaign promise broken in just one week in office no lobbyists. If the meidical malpractice lotter were ended, Health insurance would be affordable to all.”
Yes. And John Edwards will never let this happen.

I can’t believe ABC is defending this. Obama could not have shown any less leadership on this issue. Leadership involves consensus building. To build a consensus you have to give people information. To do that, you must know it yourself first. The President claims ignorance to the specifics of the Bill. ABC news doesn’t call him out. He sets up this timetable to rush legislation before the August recess, ABC doesn’t see that as suspicious and undemocratic. This is not about some pork project or naming a Post Office. This will be a matter of life and death for many of us. It is an unprecedeted power grab over the rights and lives of most Americans. We are also facing a tsunami of deficits from current programs and $2 trillion dollar deficit. The only possible reductions to spending this Administration could find was $100 million. These current budget problems will cause either massive tax increases on all Americans, or a massive inflation and collapse of the dollar.

But,
They’re not okay with spending money on healing people of their OWN COUNTRY.
So, war and killing is okay but not healthy American citizens.
Posted by: JV | Aug 6, 2009 2:28:43 PM
Oh there will be killing just of a different sort and of a different name. Remember Gramps “Maybe your better off not having the surgery, and you should take a pain pill.” Barack Obamas own words. This is what you want?

If nobody is collecting names, then why is the White House soliciting for those very names with this tactic? One does not need to exercise deep thought to see an enemies list being constructed here.
With regard to the following from this article: “Well, nothing can be farther from the truth. You know, the people who always try to scare people whenever you try to bring them health-insurance reform are at it again. And they’re taking sentences and phrases out of context, and cobbling them together to leave a very false impression.” – Isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black? After all, the Democrats engage in these tactics daily and then carp when anyone questions what they are doing…
As for the denigration of the Americans who are rightly expressing concerns about this rush to socialism/communism, it is the height of conceit to call them a “mob”. Considering whom we have in the White House and his shady connections and associations, I would think the word “mob” more applicable to that building than to the American people who are now funding the entire collection of boondoggles that have surfaced in the last six months from our so-called leaders.
Democrats cannot take anyone questioning their motives or asking logical questions. This has become the clear message of this entire administration and it’s actions to date.
It’s a sign of just how desperate for control they are.

Not so long ago in a White House far, far away from the People…
It is a period of civil unrest. Republican operatives, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Liberal Empire. During the battle, right-wing spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the HR3200 Healthcare Bill, an horribly written document with enough power to destroy the entire healthcare system of the country. Pursued by the Empire’s sinister agents, a Princess Malkin races home in her SUV, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the couintry…
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General Reid: What of the Republicans? If those right-wingers have obtained a complete technical reading of this bill, it is possible, however unlikely, they might find a weakness and exploit it.
Darth Obama: The data you refer to will soon be back in our hands.
Admiral Pelosi: Any attack made by the Republicans against this bill would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they have obtained. This bill is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it.
Darth Obama: Don’t be too proud of this political terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy the healthcare system is insignificant next to the power of Hope & Change.
Admiral Pelosi: Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerous ways, Lord Obama. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data on the bill, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the angry mobs’ hidden fortress…
[Obama makes a pinching motion and Pelosi starts choking]
Darth Obama: I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Governor Emanuel: Obama…Release him!
Darth Obama: As you wish
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Jane the problem with having the government involved is that hospitals allready have patient advocates who do this we do not need government involved in our end of life decisions. Anyone can do this on their own now, I do not want to relinquish my freedoms for the Utopia the libbers are requesting!

“What nonsense.
You have repeatedly defended his lying to the American people about WMDs.”
Oh Ryan.. did President Clinton ever claim Saddam had WMD’s? How bout Democrats in Congress? If this was all a trumped up lie, how did Bush engineer this lie as a Texas Gov.? And you claim he is sooo stupid, but wouldn’t he have to be pretty smart, if not brilliant, to pull one over on all these intelligent democrats?

Obama has broken more promises since being elected…makes Bush seem honest..and that I just choked on! Obama has NOT read the bill…has no intention of reading the bill so…what makes anyone think he knows what he is saying about the bill is honest and correct???

“You have repeatedly defended his lying to the American people about WMDs.”
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Ryan_C – he ducked this one, and continues to defend the lies and deceptions the Bush administration perpetrated.

WhereWasThePress? | Aug 6, 2009 2:44:48 PM- So as usual the paranoid right leap is because they are following the law, there is some long list being made at the white house! Ever hear of actually putting things in storage! Saving to disk? I want to know where Bush keeps the list of library books I took out!

“I’m not sure the White House will be able to keep up with the number of lies being told ”
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Well, it would be so much easier if the White House would simply stop lying!

“You just said that you disagreed with Bush’s dealing with the public on this, guess that was a lie.”
No, I said the public information handling of it was poor. We did not need to be talked to like school children, there was plenty of reason to remove Saddam from power, as outlined in the authorization of force. Their choice to focus, and put so much emphasis on WMD’s was idiotic.

It’s funny that the people are accusing the GOP of putting out false information — the information they are putting out is taken straight from the details listed in the 1,000+-page health care proposals (that most Americans have not read).
While the democrats are avoiding giving specifics of their plan, they approach the public using tired ol’ phrases like “we must pass this now,” “the time for waiting is over,” “this will save Americans money,” “the insurance companies are scared,” etc., etc.. They aren’t giving giving details – — this is why Americans are so confused, frustrated and angry.
If democrats would talk in specifics about the plan, like “Every American will be mandated to buy insurance,” or “We will impose a fine on Americans who do not buy insurance,” or other details contained in the proposals, there would be far less confusion and misinformation out there.
The thing is, maybe it is a good thing that people be mandated to buy insurance from a government-approved company, but democrats need to believe that enough to stand up and shout it out. Stop with being so vague and coy about it.

“I want to know where Bush keeps the list of library books I took out!”
LOL I’m so glad you are not paranoid about your government setting up a special email address to send information about people who disagrees with the president’s health care plan.
Dude or dudette. This is unprecedented.

WhereWasThePress? | Aug 6, 2009 2:54:04 PM – LOL I’m so glad you are not paranoid about your government setting up a special email address to send information about people who disagrees with the president’s health care plan. Dude or dudette. This is unprecedented.—– Oh, right it’s so much worse asking people to email misinformation so they can debunk it. It was so much better with the previous admin. hacking into emails, listening to calls, tracking library books, et al. But not a word about how that was “unprecedented”! How much of that has been overturned by the Federal Courts as unconstitutional? But not a word from you then!

Oh if we had these folks running around with their hair on fire when Bush was running up the debt by 5 trillion dollars.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE NEEDED YOU!!!!!!

“Without the lie about the threat of WMDs does the Senate approve that authrization?
Do the American people support the invasion of Iraq without the lie of danger from WMDs?”
Again, this wasn’t something dreamed up by Bush. These discussions had been going on in Congress long before he took office. All of them, administrations included, claimed he had WMD’s and he was dangerous.
Myself, back then, thought this was dumb, backlight on a more serious problem that the UN had become irrelevant to its purpose. UN resolutions had not been followed and there was nothing done about it. It told the world, all nations, that the UN was meaningless. I’m not going to get into the details of my thoughts on this, only that by not acknowledging that the words WMD coupled with Iraq didn’t originate with Bush, you come accross as partisan hacks.

Send in Gore, Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy etc to overwhelm the serviers.

Change, Yes we can!!!!!
I want free health care! and I want you to pay for it. Sounds good to me.

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of the press reporting on which side is doing what, why don’t you read the bill and begin reporting on what’s actually in it? Is this above your pay grades? We have a break (thank goodness) while they go on vacation, so now would be the time for you to START DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!

If this health care program that Obama wants goes through. We will all see soon who the real liars are, and I am pretty sure it will not be the Conservatives groups.
Yes we do need to fix health insurance, but a Government plan is a really bad idea.

I would really like to pay for healthcare insurance to take care of myself and my family. NOT to give insurance companies huge profits.
The health of Americans should not be part of the a pawn in the cut-throat games played in the corporate world.
Folks who are so upset with medicare and are not upset with paying more and more each year for health care each year are just not being honest.

Big brother is watching. If you aren’t already on the HLS watch list, Obama will find you if you dare type/speak out against his policies.

“You can tell when the left is losing on an issue they bring up Bush and WMD.”
Either that or racism. New material is desperately needed.

Someone needs to remind the republicans there is a distinct difference between freedom of speech and censorship. The ruckus being caused by the republican base at townhall meetings is censorship, not free speech. I have no problem listening to someone’s opinion about their views of pending legislation, but they need to respect the rest of us too. Our opinions count just as much as their’s. Otherwise, the bipartisanship effort will end and the finally bill may just end up being a completely Democrat piece of legislation without any republican points of view.

“I would really like to pay for healthcare insurance to take care of myself and my family. NOT to give insurance companies huge profits.”
Those profits fund R&D for new drugs and procedures and pay into your 401k. If your healthy, insurance companies make money. They are motivated to fund and support new procedures that make you healthy because they are rewarded for it. What motivation does the government have to make you healthy? Everyone reading this, if you have a 401k, about 30% (average) of it is invested in the medical field, including insurance companies.

“Hey, I have an idea. Instead of the press reporting on which side is doing what, why don’t you read the bill and begin reporting on what’s actually in it?”
Excellent post.

“Those profits fund R&D for new drugs and procedures and pay into your 401k.”
Show where insurance companies spend money on research and development.

Congratulations Justice Sotomayor!
Viva La Raza!

Those on the left seem to enjoy standing on both sides of the street.
According to them Bush lied and manipulated events. It was such a bad thing in their view. Now, Obama and this current Congress may be doing the same thing with all the muddy waters around this healthcare bill. Yet, anyone questioning this group in power is being labeled as plants, angry mobs and other things.
Why if you on the left are so willing to say Bush over-reached and deceived the country are you so opposed to those who are trying to route out the same thing now? If you were true to what you say you are, you would be all in favor of questioning any and all aspects of a bill that has such far-reaching impacts on the entire country. This is not something that we can afford to screw-up. Seems to me there is an awful lot of hypocrisy on the left at the moment.

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

Debatable, I personally think yes he could. But there was also the rush because we just didn’t know for sure. If we were wrong, and waited around for confirmation, would that be too late? In 2002, few in this nation wanted to “wait and see”. 911 caught us off guard, and were not going to wait around anymore”
Exactly.
The embarrassment and fear over the previous Bush incompetence had the Bush admin rush us into a war based on falsified intelligence to save his political hide.
But need a big military victory and Afghanistan was not providing one.
3 months after invasion, Mission Accomplished.

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
Tricked her too. She was the easiest.

“Al-Zarqawi, an associate of Osama bin Laden, had been named by the Bush administration as an al Qaeda member who fled to Iraq from Afghanistan in May 2002 for medical treatment and then stayed to organize terror plots. He came to Iraq with about two dozen al Qaeda terrorists, according to the administration.”
From the Bush administration?
Then we can safely assume its a lie.
Funny how that info came out in August 2003 when people started asking questions about the WMDs.

Funny how that info came out in August 2003 when people started asking questions about the WMDs.
Like Nancy Pelosi?

Not all of them.
Just the ones afraid of being painted as unpatriotic by the brown shirts in the GOP in the wake of 9/11
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 3:25:10 PM
So you where in congress during that time? Only 21 democrats voted against it.

“So you where in congress during that time? Only 21 democrats voted against it.
Posted by: NO OBAMA CARE | Aug 6, 2009 3:35:00 PM”
There were only 40 Democrats in the Senate.
In the House 126 Democrats voted against it to 82 for it.

I’m looking forward to seeing the details of the final health insurance reform bill.
I’m disappointed to learn it will take several years to implement, but then again I guess that’s not really that surprising.

I’m looking forward to seeing the details of the final health insurance reform bill.
I’m disappointed to learn it will take several years to implement, but then again I guess that’s not really that surprising.
Posted by: danita | Aug 6, 2009 3:39:15 PM
Your looking at a lot more than several years for Obama care to ever be impliminted.

Ryan C
If you’re opposed to a dumb war, why are you putting down other citizens who feel that the current administration is doing the same kind of thing with this healthcare bill? Even you must admit that none of us is qualified to fully understand the language in bill passed by the House. This is too important an issue to sit back and say it’s ok for the Democrats to do it this because the Republicans did it this way before. It is way past the time to stop acting like 8 yr olds in your old neighborhoods.
What is the big rush to pass something that we all agree is extremely important, but also fully understood by virtually no one. It is very immature to base your reasoning for moving ahead without a clear understand on the fact that ‘the other guy’ did it that way.
In my opinion, there is no reason why we can’t hold open sessions where not only can the public view it, but the transcripts should be posted each day. This is the very real change and transparency that I voted for last year. I have been up & down with how the President has handled things so far. I think this is a pivotal moment where he can indeed move us forward and be the leader I saw last fall. He can easily push the Congress for open sessions on this most critical issue. The easiest way to win the people on this one is to include them in the process.

“To be so critical of this President who has been just handed the biggest crap sandwich in history and do you really think he can turn it around on a dime.”
Goldman Sachs is doing fine. Turnaround complete.

“There were only 40 Democrats in the Senate.”
That should read 49 not 40.

Pure socialist activities from the white house. An invasion of anyone’s privacy. They sure new how to spread the stuff when he was running for office and now he cannot take what he started. Yoy yes we can people better wake up fast. In one year it will be all over and you will be controlled by the white house. even down to where you vactation and the milage to get there. Taxed for your fun.

Ok, Bush went by what he was told about WMD from foreign intelligence which all the other Countries believed as well! It was a joint effort going in, not a diabolical plan by Bush! And another thing, I was there in Iraq, I personally saw the bodies of the kurds killed by WMD’s! I SAW THIS!!! I still have nightmares of burying the children!This was not a lie! But you won’t believe a vet, you’ll believe a journalist whom is politically motivated. If they said obama’s farts smell like bannana bread you libs would actually believe it! Unless you’ve been there and witnessed what I have your just believing the false prophets media! WE WON THE IRAQ WAR!!! AMERICA IS VICTORIOUS!!! But you refuse to acknowledge that. Have you no pride to be American? Bush spearheaded the war on Terrorism and it’s been working! Sure there is a price to pay but there has always been a price for freedom and our way of life! Read your history books!!!

Lucre: What you omitted from your posting is that the crap sandwich he was handed was caused by radical liberal policy…a watered down version of the radical liberal policy Obama is trying to cram down our throats. Blaming Bush is an easy way out when you have no facts to back up your arguement. Besides, I don’t think Bush is running for office right now…is he?If you think for one second that Obama has the country’s best interest in mind, you have been duped by talking points. Uninformed idiots like you who got cuaght up in all the hype and voted for this disaster will be to blame for our country’s demise. I did my homework, got the facts and voted based on principle, not political affiliation. When this country goes down the crapper, don’t blame me, I voted for the American!

” WMD from foreign intelligence which all the other Countries believed as well!”
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Not at all! Canada’s Prime Minister scoffed at the ‘proof’ he was shown – and he was right. It was basically just the Bush and Blair regimes cherry picking and fabricating.

“Oil for Food should be disturbing to anyone.”
Yes corruption should be disturbing.
How about those no bid contract to Haliburton?
How about Black Water’s ties to arms trafficking?
“UN Peacekeepers raping and abusing the locals should be too. Lie down with dogs…”
Horrid actions but why do you think they are unique to the UN?
The US has been contending with rape cases happeneing in Japan to say nothing of a war zone.

Look you can scream all you want. The reality is Pres. Bush entered office with $236 BILLION dollar surplus. He left with more than a $482 Billion dollar deficit and a broken economy! Money needed to be spent to stop the free fall. But here you Repubs are bashing the current President when not one of you said a word for the last 8 years!

IF the white house is collecting IP addresses and creating a database of desenters and CBS, ABC, NBC, Or other blog sites are giving these IP addresses to the white house…You would have a massive lawsuit filed by the people who’s names were given up.. I would seriously doubt the networks are that stupid………well maybe MSNBC would

Posted by: Charlie from Texas | Aug 6, 2009 3:50:23 PM
Goldman Sachs is firmly embedded in the Obama Administration and that’s the way Obama wants it. They ARE the Treasury Dept. End of story. Seriously, that’s it. All the wailing and whining about Bush this, Bush that means nothing. Most people have no clue of the economic nightmre we’re headed for either. Obama had a chance to stop the bus from going over the cliff. instead, he floored it. Recognize that and learn to protect yourself.

Chicago Thugs bring Stalin tactics to White House. “These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation.” This administration would like for americans to report the casual conversations of people with opposing views. I guess with ABC’s ratings and earnings they cannot be bothered to read the website of view the entire video that Obama shows his true beliefs.

Why obamba? why?

NO OBAMA CARE | Aug 6, 2009 3:56:55 PM — What you heard for the last 8 years was people saying we shouldn’t have gone to Iraq! There were no WMD’s! But, still 4000+ dead! How did Bush take a surplus of 236 billion dollars and turn it into a deficit! What made Pres. Bush think it was ok to spy on the citizens of this country. But, your on here whining because the President would like to dispel false HCR rumors! Yup, that’s the same! Not!

Would someone tell the liberals George Bush isn’t president anymore. 3 Trilliion dollars in the whole and obligations for another 23 Trillion under Obama. I MISS GEORGE BUSH!

All Americans’ voices should be heard on this issue and I wonder why this site has silenced my comments. Check out Congressman John Fleming’s website. He has started a petition requiring congress to put their money where their mouths are. Everyone should be made aware of it.

ubu1991 | Aug 6, 2009 4:06:10 PM – And your numbers come from? Because not even Faux has those numbers!

“We can again go back to freedom and liberty which we have enjoyed for over 200 years…assuming we are still allowed to vote in 2010… ”
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Fear, fear, fear . …
Do you anti-Obama types have anything but fear tactics to deal out?

It is sad to reda and see how we have evolved over4 the last several years. We say awful stuff about anyone we are not in lockstep with We call names we act as if there is only way way to think…or get into heaven. Makes a person wonder what is really behind this stuff. I believe alot of what we see here on these blogs is stuff planted to get us all “going” I can not believe normal average people would come up with this stuff or care this much. This is America and given enough time we always seem to do what has to be done to move on and get the job done. And over the years we did not have blogs telling us how to think or what is right or what was wrong. We just did the right thing.And as for big brother taking names and e-mail address’ you are welcome to mine. I am Mrs. Average American number uno.

Freedom, freedom, freedom!

Back during the campaign I sent an e-mail to the BO website. Not in support. I did not vote for the man. But ever since I have gotten e-mail after e-mail from Plouffe, Biden, Axelrod and BO himself. Gee, I wonder how they got my e-mail address.
Not collecting…give me a break, that is their history.

Charlie from Texas — Also it’s rather amusing, we aren’t supposed to hold Bush responsible for his mismanagement, but you’ll gladly lay the issues the last Administration left as President Obama’s fault, when he wasn’t even in office! Hypocritical much!

“Please try tell me now how Bush manged to hypnotize all those liberals to get “his” agenda for those two years!”
So the President doesn’t submit a budget Mike C?

BusyBee – Your “interpretations” of the bill’s language appear to be short on facts and long on imagination.

This bunch of idiots in the white house are good at one thing and that is bullying…they tell out right lies and than begin to believe them …you hear in his own words that Obama supports and was hoping to go to a single payer system (meaning the government controls all health care no private industry…doctors and hospitals all under the control of the government)..yet they have the arrogance to think that Americans are stupid enough to believe he is not interested in that….its insulting to everyone intelligence

===”Danita….WHO PASSED the 2008 & 2009 Budgets?”
Who signed them?
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 4:20:52 PM===
Really? You want to get into who signed them? Okay. 2008, Bush. 2009, Obama. There. Are you happy?

NO OBAMA CARE – Well when you parse the statement of course it sounds that way! But is a Repub thing, edit!

Okay so I want three things from the congress and the administration on health care.
1.) Whenever they speak about health care they should be attached to a lie detector. I know some can fool it, but I guarantee it makes them be more truthful than they are now.
2.) I want accountability measures that require jail terms for congress and the administration if health care worsens. This will require metrics of the current system, but will hold them accountable to what they are peddling. This will also make them consider their decisions more carefully.
3.) I want every single member of the federal government (no exceptions) to use the new health care plan in the same way we do. No calling for special visits, etc. If found, this would also be punishable by jail time.
Once they do these three things, I will buy in otherwise they are simply going to spend a lot of money and hurt a lot of people (although I acknowledge some will get care they have never had).

At least Senator Cornyn is willing to stand up for our right to free speech. It is ILLEGAL for the white house to ask Americans to snitch on those that don’t like his policies.

I am fully employed, and have nothing to do with the Raptor.”
Then why did you claim it would affect your job.
I was actually feeling a little sorry for you.
Guess that was another lie.

Try the Truth: I base my judgments on facts, not political affiliation. I’m not “Pro-Bush” and “Anti-Obama”. I’m Pro-right and anti-wrong. You have yet to present any facts, all you keep saying is that Bush left a mess, nothing is Obama’s fault, bla, bla, bla. Give me some facts. Bush ran a deficit because we were at war defending our country…a foreign concept to the democrats. Bush managed a war for 6 years and managed to spend 1/4 of what Obama has committed to spend on non-sense. The stimulous package was a joke and has not created one job…$800B down the toilet. I am curious to hear how giving $4.5B to ACORN was supposed to stimulate the economy…hmmm… Now Osama is trying to cram a healthcare bill down our throats which will bankrupt our country in a matter of years, destroy the best healthcare system in the world (which 95% of Americans are currently happy with)…through a bill he hasn’t even read! How can he make statements about this plan when he doesn’t even have the facts? What about alternative solutions? Did you know that the “evil right” has made numerous proposals for solutions which weren’t even considered because socialist medicine is the agenda on the table. Ideas that make financial sense aren’t being considered because they don’t give the government complete control. This is stuff you don’t hear from the mainstream media who are so busy stroking Obama that they don’t report the facts. Here’s an idea, why don’t you start looking at the truth before telling me (who has taken the time to look at the facts) to try the truth…idiot…

Can anyone tell me what President Obama’s health care plan is? The only plan that I am aware of was written by House democrats and is called H.R. 3200. I did not even know that Obama had a plan. Is it better then H.R. 3200 – I certainly hope so!

tellmeitisntso | Aug 6, 2009 4:37:16 PM— At least Senator Cornyn is willing to stand up for our right to free speech. It is ILLEGAL for the white house to ask Americans to snitch on those that don’t like his policies. —- Please show me that law. Even if he did what your saying, which he not, how is that illegal?

RyanC: And what direction, exactly, is Obama taking this country? What are you heppy with?

Try the truth– actually it DID a considerable number of years to build the dbt (although not 233).. the national debt began in the Mid 30s during Roosevelts New deal expenditures and has risen in every single administration since. Your comment that “Bush had a surplus” shows that you do not klnow what you are talking about. Bush did NOT have a surplus.. The last two years of the Clinton presidency produced 2 ANNUAL Budget Surpluses. Which means that during those TWO YEARS, we spend less than we got in revenue. The first year, surplus was used to buy Social Security back into the black temporarily and the second years surplus was used to pay against the National Debt’s interest acculumation (so, for that year only the debt did not GROW – but it also do not shrink).. The National Debt at the beginning of the Clinton administrationw was at 3.9 trillion. At the beginning of the Bush WH it was 5.1 trillion which means Clinton ADDED 1.2 trillion to our national debt. In eight years, Bush added 4.5 trillion more.
Obama is on pace to add almost three trillion this year alone (an earlier post from ubu1991 is actually accurate) and the current projections for Obama’s spending places the National debt at over 20 trillion over the course of the next 10 years.
To Danita – the ultimate responsibility of teh current financial crisis DOES NOT lie at the feet of republicans. The Deregulation of the mortgage industy was signed into law in 1998 (Graham/Bliley act) by Bill Clinton. after being voted on by the senate 92-8. The 8 no votes all came from republicans including John McCain who said the bill might allow abuses that could damage the economy (guess he isn’t so senile after all). The major problems with the mortgage industry started in 2006 AFTER congress was regained by teh Democrats. The committee that was supposed to monitor the industry and police it for abuses (The senate committee on financial oversight) was chaired and run by DEMOCRATS.. In 2007 when 8 senate republicans complained that Fannie and Freddie was engaging in practices that would harm the economy, Frank (who had taken 400,000 in lobby money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) along with Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd (both were also recipients of lobby money) Told the republican senators basically to sit down and shut up.. Stating that there was no problem with the mortgage industry and that the republicans were simply trying to get the laws changed in order to deny minorities the ability to own their own home (this meeting is in the Cspan video archives. This economy.. and all that is wrong with it .. from the colapse of the mortgage industry, to a failed “Stimulus” bill that has created less than 1000 new jobs to date, along with an annual budget that is more than twice the size of any single year deficit during the Bush administration are ALL the products of DEMOCRATS .. not Republicans..

tellmeitisntso | Aug 6, 2009 4:37:16 PM — Oh, and free speech is a two way street! If the Rethugs want to plant lies and rumors, they can be challenged on them! The WH just asked if there’s misinformation, let them know so they can correct it! Has nothing to do with snitching on those that disagree! You guys are a party of drama queens aren’t you?

I am happy with the direction Obama is taking America and many more Americans feel that way now than during Bush’s last few years in office.
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 4:45:03 PM
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WOW I GUESS MOST THE COUNTRY IS ON PROZAC THEN. Because 10% of them now don’t have jobs. You have to be high to think we are heading in the right direction.

“Frank (who had taken 400,000 in lobby money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) along with Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd (both were also recipients of lobby money) Told the republican senators basically to sit down and shut up.. ”
Which like fearful obedient little servants they promptly did.

“he Deregulation of the mortgage industy was signed into law in 1998 (Graham/Bliley act) by Bill Clinton. after being voted on by the senate 92-8. The 8 no votes all came from republicans including John McCain who said the bill might allow abuses that could damage the economy (guess he isn’t so senile after all).”
The Graham Leach Bailey act (after some negotiation and deal making) was 90-8-2 vote margin for the Senate vote. 7 of the nays were DEMOCRATS.
Richard Shelby was the only GOP to vote against it. McCain didn’t even vote on it.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

“Never said it was the backbone of R&D, you did.”
You stated if private insurance companies were pushed out of the market, that R&D money would dry up and we would no longer be on the forefront of innovation.
You’ve been repeating a variation on that theme for weeks with today being the first day you bothered to try and prove the assertion.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie and when you catch them in their lie, they lie some more.

“WOW I GUESS MOST THE COUNTRY IS ON PROZAC THEN. Because 10% of them now don’t have jobs. You have to be high to think we are heading in the right direction.”
Probably because people trust and believe in Obama far more than they do the Republicans.

“RyanC: Your last posting sums up the liberal mentality…”So the GOP is gonna run on returning to Bush policies in 2010?” What’s with you guys and Bush? Bush doesn’t represent the GOP.”
He doesn’t? He was actually a Green Party member?
If Bush doesn’t represent the GOP, who does?
Limbaugh?

I love that part of Right-wing revisionist history where Barney Frank says “Boo” and the Republicans scatter.

Probably because people trust and believe in Obama far more than they do the Republicans.
FYI:
A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, “Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?”
Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a “failure,” while 51% consider it a “success” and 11% say it’s still “too soon to tell.”
An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a “success” while only 32% considered it a “failure.” (Link)

“You stated if private insurance companies were pushed out of the market, that R&D money would dry up and we would no longer be on the forefront of innovation.”
You’re thinking about someone else bud. But you really should research the contributions that insurance companies have made in grants for research and health education. Metlife gave 43 million to non-profits and 188 million in loans and equity investments for community improvement. There is data out there, just have to look it up.
There’s plenty of data out there that points to the private market in the US far far out performing foreign state run research investments. I’m not going to post it, get off your lazy butt and look it up yourself OUTSIDE of your usual left wing hack job web sites.

Ryan:
Two things.
1) The “ignore what Obama is doing and divert attention to what Bush did” mentality is so cowardly and childish. Take responsibility for your actions.
2) Free speech does not mean your opinion goes unchallenged. I know left wingers are brainwashed into thinking that simple platitudes like “hope” and “change” are enough to run a country but it is not true…obviously…

danita | Aug 6, 2009 5:01:55 PM I’m not. This largely right wing lot has a hobby of coming on here and attacking the President.++++++++When are you going to realize it’s just not only the right wing who has a problem with BO’s politics and policy making???

Ryan C– you need to recheck your research.. McCain did vote against it and actually explained himself on the senate floor. It was not (from what I have read) 7 Democrats who voted against it. Although the two abstains may have been listed in the articles I have read as yes votes ( I have not actually seen a copy of the Senate rolls – But I have read multiple articles listing the vote as 92-8). I am aware the the authors of the bill were both republicans (Graham and Bliley), but I am also aware that Clinton signed the bill immediately, congratulated the senate for their overwhelming vote for the bill and expressed it as “an important piece of legislation that would allow lower income families and minorities to realize the dream of owning a home”. The law itself caused few problems until 2006, when Barney Frank and company let the Mortgage industry led by Freddie and Fannie get completely out of control by “bundleing” toxic assets and selling them to lending companies at inflated ratings.
My statement might not have been completely accurate (i’ll research it and see), but i’ll make a deal with you.. Instead of simply calling me a liar, why don’t you provide some real evidence to support the liberal claim that this was the fault of Bush and the republicans?? Anything??

Perhaps you’re willing to stand by and watch someone get attacked over and over again with lies, distortions, name calling and fear and smears tactics.
I’m not.
Posted by: danita
I hope that danita was equally passionate when Pres. Bush was getting attacked over and over again with lies, distortions, name calling and fear and smear tactics …. but something tells me she reserves her outrage for politicians she deems “worthy.”

When are you going to realize it’s just not only the right wing who has a problem with BO’s politics and policy making???
Posted by: Boxcar | Aug 6, 2009 5:18:55 PM
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It’s a canard, Boxcar. They paint opposition to the Statist agenda as rightwing in an attempt to isolate and marginalize. You’ll see certain posters here constantly use it.

Ryan C– One last question…
Next year, when unemployment is STILL rising even beyond its 50 yr high, taxes are through the roof – for everyone and not just the rich, inflation is soaring ( from all the extra money we are printing), when the Deficit has doubled again, healthcare is in shambles just like Medicaid, the VA and public schools (and any other program the government tries to run), When cap and trade has passed and cost thousands MORE jobs all for an environmental crisis that doesn’t actually exist, when Gitmo is still open (or has moved to Michigan as is currently being considered), when we STILL have 100,000 in Iraq and now have 50,000 more in Afganistan, when our congress is still passing laws that wreck our economy even without reading them – just because its what Barrack wants, When all this comes to pass…
Will you still be on here telling all of us how much better Obama is than Bush??? Just wondering, how bad does it need to get before you wake up and realize what we are getting is NOT what we need??

KMDAy: Let me guess, you are a conservative… How do I know? You’ve gone to the bill itself and read it…what a concept! Now if only members of congress would take your lead…

what do you mean “nobody is taking names?”
-Obama wants the census to be closely controlled by his executive department and has expanded to include an amazing number of personal questions. They also will mark your house with GPS.
-the wiretaps/montoring/eavesdropping continue
-Obama wants a politically appointed “czar” to have access to ALL of your health information, eliminate doctor-patient privledge, and examine this information in central database
-the animal-premises id act
-the “real id” driver’s license
-RFID in passports and driver’s licenses
are you all crazy? Obama is worse than Bush on civil liberties and bigbrother ddreams?

” Obama is worse than Bush on civil liberties and bigbrother ddreams”
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Oh yes, and President Obama is also a muslim, a terrorist, anti-american, a thug, stupid in school, a foreigner . .

“When all this comes to pass…
Will you still be on here telling all of us how much better Obama is than Bush??? Just wondering, how bad does it need to get before you wake up and realize what we are getting is NOT what we need??”
ROFLMAO!
You can’t even get documented history correct and we’re supposed to believe the right wing predictions of doom and gloom?

“Where would you like to meet for the duel? Get a grip, its the internet…”
Saying someone is cowardly for not owning up to their own actions is asking for a duel?
Well maybe Zell Miller would think so.

“A media study a few years ago found that FoxNews viewers were 4 times as likely to believe demonstrable falsehoods about the war in Iraq as NPR listeners.”
Probably the same study that said Fox News viewers had lower IQs. Incredible that people actually believe this nonsense. How exactly would left leaning media do a study in a fair and balanced way?

“Probably the same study that said Fox News viewers had lower IQs.”
Nope the study centered on perceptions created by the media about the Iraq War.
“Incredible that people actually believe this nonsense. How exactly would left leaning media do a study in a fair and balanced way?”
It was a university study of the media.

“Ryan, a badly ellipsed excerpt? Are you kidding?”
No. Did you provide the full quotes or ellipsed excerpts?
“If giving preferential treatment to minorities anywhere in this bill is okay with you, shame on you!”
I dou8bt the premise because right wingers tend to lie.
You just lied a few posts ago claiming the Obama’s sister has a Hawaiian COLB.

“Posted by: KMDay | Aug 6, 2009 5:54:15 PM”
ROFLMAO!
You are quoting the American Thinker!
WND and NewsMax are more credible!

KMDay:
I’m sorry but our tax dollars are ALREADY going to a select few. Where have you been? It’s okay to secretly funnel money to the rich but when it’s on paper and going to the poor, then it’s not?
Posted by: JV | Aug 6, 2009 5:59:49 PM
Bull, just because someone is a minority does not mean they are poor. i know i see them get awarded no bid contracts all of the time courtsey of our tax dollars.

We saw right wingers on here every day during the election spreading lies, name calling, using smear and fear tactics. Making unsubstantiated allegations. Oh sure, it’s part of the democratic process. Something America can be proud of . . .

“I did not lie, and if you would read the bill and go to the pages I provided, you will see that it is not a lie.”
What you posted:
““In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds.”
What the bill actually says
‘‘(d) PREFERENCE.—In awarding grants or contracts
under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to
entities that have a demonstrated record of the following:
‘‘(1) Training the greatest percentage, or significantly improving the percentage, of oral health
professionals who practice general, pediatric, or pulic health dentistry.”
Hmmmm why was that missing.
‘‘(2) Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged back
grounds.
‘‘(3) A high rate of placing graduates in prac5
tice settings having the principal focus of serving in underserved areas or populations experiencing health disparities (including serving patients eligible for medical assistance under title XIX of the Social Security Act or for child health assistance under title XXI of such Act or those with special health care needs).
‘‘(4) Supporting teaching programs that address the dental needs of vulnerable populations.
‘‘(5) Providing instruction regarding the oral health status, dental care needs, and risk-based clinical disease management of all pediatric populations with an emphasis on underserved children.
So you cut out the part you thought sounded scary or maybe you just copy pasted some right wing blog because you did not read the bill.

And make no mistake, it is NOT moderate Americans who are on here constantly attacking the President for anything and everything he does…
Posted by: danita | Aug 6, 2009 5:36:39 PM
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We saw right wingers on here every day during the election spreading lies, name calling, using smear and fear tactics. Making unsubstantiated allegations. Oh sure, it’s part of the democratic process. Something America can be proud of . . .
Moderate Americans do not engage in that kind of nonsense – quit trying to blame it on them. It’s the fringe right.

According to Reid, “sabatoge” is taking place. Somebody quickly justify this…I’m waiting.

danita | Aug 6, 2009 6:07:04 PM We saw right wingers on here every day during the election spreading lies, name calling, using smear and fear tactics. Making unsubstantiated allegations++++And if you can sit there and say the left ,along with some of the MSM, did not do the same with McCain and Palin you are a liar.

Moderate Americans do not engage in that kind of nonsense – quit trying to blame it on them. It’s the fringe right.
Posted by: danita | Aug 6, 2009 6:07:04 PM
Well let me be the 1st then cause I have been reading all this and I do not care one bit for this health care plan. But based on your comments I have read you would be just as much of the left wing liberal fringe as you accuse the posters on the right as being so what is your point. Moderates go both ways baby. We make up our own mind.

A right winger who is aware the label is poison.
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 6, 2009 6:06:44 PM
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Again with the rightwinger name calling. Thanks for proving my point.

“Again with the rightwinger name calling. Thanks for proving my point.
Posted by: Jen | Aug 6, 2009 6:21:15 PM”
Calling someone a right winger is name calling.
Jen you made my day.

“…scare their member of Congress.”
Why do these people “scare” so easily? Where there death threats?

“Why do these people “scare” so easily? Where there death threats?”
Yup.
“”We had no town hall events scheduled for the August recess anyway, but in light of everything that’s happened — we have received a threatening phone call in the D.C. office, there have been calls to the Raleigh office,” said Miller communications director LuAnn Canipe, in an interview with TPM. The threatening call in question happened earlier this week.
“The call to the D.C. office was, ‘Miller could lose his life over this,’” said Canipe. “Our staffer took it so seriously, he confirmed what the guy was saying. He said, ‘Sir is that a threat?’ and at that time our staffer was getting the phone number off caller ID and turning it over to the Capitol Police.”

“You guy’s are usually faster, but I’ll take what I can get…Now how is that sabotage?”
Shouting down any dialogue is not sabotage?

“If these people are the so called fringe right then it is safe to say RyanC and danita are members of the fringe left. So says a moderate.”
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I haven’t said a thing that is fringe left. Find something and post it.
I’m here mostly to defend the President against the name calling, the lies, the attempts to scare people with distortions, the smear campaigns.

“I half expect dark sedans to pull up in front of my house & take me away.”
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That pretty exaggerated and paranoid.

I hope it upset you just as much when the left and some of the MSM used the same tacics against McCain
Posted by: Boxcar | Aug 6, 2009 6:49:52 PM”
So instead decrying the tactics when used by the right used here you call danita out for not calling out people that weren’t here?

“I half expect dark sedans to pull up in front of my house & take me away.”
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That pretty exaggerated and paranoid.
Posted by: danita
And “fishy” too.

“Yea…we learned it all from you loudmouth Demos.”
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Take responsibility for yourself. Quit blaming your own behavior on someone else.

John Cornyn “represents” me (Ha!). He is little more than a pandering pimp, going to the basest emotions of the base.
He should be ignored.
He has no problem with corporations or Boy George’s White House mining information. To call Cornyn a hypocrite is a massive understatement.

John Cornyn “represents” me (Ha!). He is little more than a pandering pimp, going to the basest emotions of the base.
Posted by: LeeDunkelberg |
Pandering pimp. I kind of like that.
However, can you give an example of a US Senator that is NOT a pandering pimp?

Well I must say that out here in West Texas we view this kind of behavier as rude and crass. Of course we don’t elect socialists and Democrats to offices like this, and I might add that John Cornyn is our Senator. So to the national offices and even local offices for that matter we elect people we know will represent us, so no Democrats. And you liberals talking about lies, well you do know all about politicians that lie, look at the president, he can’t keep his lies in check

“misinformation/disinformation” – anything disagreeing with administration agenda
Glibbs: “We ask people if they have questions about health care reform and about what they’re hearing about its affects on them, to let us know and we’d provide them information to show that that wasn’t true.”
Said information being created by the people who want “health care reform.” Not facts, not truth, just information.
And let’s not forget the President’s response to the woman who asked him a legitimate question about the section regarding end-of-life.
He laughed at her. I think that’s sufficient information right there.

A lot of people talk about free speech, but it seems like nobody understands what that means. Free speech may give you the right to lie about the health care reform bill without being arrested, but it doesn’t give you the right to not have anyone (even people from the government) notice and refute your lie. All the things you make public are then in the public domain – even internet postings! – and you are sometimes held responsible for what you have put out there, even in an e-mail you intended to be private.

danita said “I’m here mostly to defend the President against the name calling, the lies, the attempts to scare people with distortions, the smear campaigns.”
And I’m sure he’s appreciative of the unwavering support, no matter how horrible his ideas are.

ellsbells930 . . .
I find the approach on Afghanistan sketchy. I’m not sure anyone can win there. Russia spent years there (supporting ‘liberal’ governments against the religious extremists) and left impoverished loser.
Over the centuries many peoples have tried to change Afgahnistan and found out the hard way what the results would be.
We already watched the United States trying to fight the ‘heroic’ war in Vietnam. The result – over 50,000 dead AMericans, scores more maimed and wounded, millions of vietnamese dead – and the U.S. – losers.

“His handlers make him look childish.”
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Hate to do this, but if you want to talk ‘childish’ you talk about Bush joking about how maybe the weapons of mass destruction were hidden under his desk – after thousands of soldiers had died attacking the country where those WMD’s were supposed to be.
No wait, sorry . . . that’s way beyond ‘childish’.
How soon they forget the standards set by the previous Republican administration.

Dear Publisher, Please print up more of my books, about 400 million. The American people do not remember it. from G. Orwell, bigbrotheris watchingyou.com

Maybe they are just inviting us to a White House Beer afternoon to smooth out the raw edges

Jake, it would be helpful for your readers to assess the legitimacy of this issue for you to give more background. For example, Sen. John Cornyn’s fierce defense of Bush’s illegal domestic wiretapping program.
I think that would be a little bit relevant, don’t you?

Obama, his operatives and lemmings are using Orwellian doublespeak, lies, intimidation and coercion to shove Obamacare down our throats.
The more we learn about Obamacare, however, the scarier Obamacare looks. Obamacare will not only destroy health care and the economy, but it will force us to pay for abortions, infanticide (late-term abortions) and perhaps even euthanasia.
Keep in mind pages 425-430 of the bill, which MANDATE that we receive end-of-life (death) counseling when we turn 65. Keep also in mind that Obamacare seems to be “inspired” by Obama’s czars, including “Science Czar,” John Holdren, who has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls.

George Orwell wrote about things like this in his book “1984″. But don’t try find it on the Amazon.com reader list, they banned it. Oh they say there’s a reason but the bottom line is that this book that inconveniently foretells of government control of the people, is not available. The Democrats don’t want you to know.

Disinformation???? People are responding to what is written in black and white in the bill. This an Enemies list plain and simple. They’re using it now as intimidation to suppress free speech. Later it will be used as the pick up list for home land security. This is a violation of his oath of office and an attack on the first ammendment…This is high treason against the free people of United States….Congress do your job and remove him from office.

Obama didn’t seem to care about the Patriot act yet the actions of his henchmen seem worse.
Mr. President, you need to clean house and rid yourself of the wide eyed idiots that you surround yourself with.

” Later it will be used as the pick up list for home land security.”
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That’s pretty paranoid.
More fear, fear, fear . . . if it ain’t smear, it’s fear.

“Remember when Candidate Obama and Senator McCaskill were using off-duty cops for message enforcement during the Missouri primary . . . ”
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No, nobody remembers anything of the sort.

“People are responding to what is written in black and white in the bill.”
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Mostly a small percentage of people are responding to a bunch of lies that have been written and broadcast about the bill.

“No, nobody remembers anything of the sort.”
–> Unfortunately for the White House hack battalion, people DO remember … the defense at the time was that the cops in question were OFF duty. :^|

danita, I would love to know when you’ve had time to read the entire bill. You seem to be on here day and night. 1000 pages is alot of reading. I know, your a speed reader who went to law school and can understand the wording of the bill. Come on now, be honest, have you read the bill? Seems someone else asked you that and you didn’t answer. You deflect well, I have to give you that.

“–> Unfortunately for the White House hack battalion, people DO remember … the defense at the time was that the cops in question were OFF duty. :^|”
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Prove it! You post so much nonsense, you’re not to be believed. Prove it.

” Come on now, be honest, have you read the bill?”
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Unlike you, I know there is more than one bill . . .. you could at least educate yourself that far.

Bet Noir people have been asking both of the 24/7 college intern posters all day if they have read the bill or not. Good luck.

“JUST PERPLEXED BY ALL THE OPPOSITION TO OBAMA HEALTH CARE, ETC. NAME CALLING AND TRASHING”
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I would say that all the name calling and trashing from the Republican right is quite perplexing, but not at all unexpected.
It’s what took place all during the election. The Republican right called Obama a terrorist, a muslim, a traitor, unamerican . . . every smear in the book.
So yes, we know your tactics.

“anyone remember Obama talking about a civilian national security force? just askin”
Yes. Everybody remembers it, and He GOT most of what He wanted for ObamaYouth, too. Achtung . . .

“Obama seems to be continuing, and indeed accelerating, the Orwellian police state tactics”
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Oh my gosh! President Obama is the devil right hear on earth. Praise the lord!

“They took Orwell’s ’1984′ off of Amazon!”
1984 was taken off Amazon’s Kindle READER (just as the poster stated).
Careful, hacks — somebody might turn you in to brrrrr the “fishy” department over at the What House.

danita I assume it was OK for those same tactics to be used by the left during the election?

I cannot believe my government in the USA has stooped to such offensive tactics as asking people to report their own neighbors for such ridiculous reasons. This is SHAMEFUL and it has solidified my belief that Obama and his minions are socialists trying to ruin the country. When conservatives gather they are “mobs” but when democrats gather they are “grassroots” and “community organizers” – the founding fathers of this country would be horrified by these tactics.

THE REASON THAT OBAMA IS IN SUCH A HURRY TO GET HIS HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED IS BECAUSE, GIVEN TIME, MORE PEOPLE WILL DISCOVER WHAT A FARCE IT IS. COMPLETELY UNWORKABLE. “A GOVERNMENT WHICH GROWS BIGGER WILL CAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL TO BECOME SMALLER.”

“there are things in the bill that will force citizens to pay fore services that they should not be responsile for Such as abortion. That’s why Obama sends out his spies to discredit citizens that ask questions”
–> That’s an understatement. Oblabla’s forces have made it worse by pretending there’s some firewall between “federal” money and “premiums”. He looks like a big stale pile of chicken chips, but it’ll get WAY worse.
NOTE: given that girls and women are GOING to get abortions, it’s better that they have MEDICAL abortions. And it’s better that POOR women and girls NOT be forced to bear children unwillingly (especially under the “welfare reform” strictures Obama favors, which effectively orphan the children of impoverished single mothers.
Why the government wouldn’t be EAGER to provide abortions for poor people who want them is a head-scratcher.
In the past, Obama “supported” abortion to a fare-thee-well. Now, He pretends He’s the Pope.
It’s quite tiresome and cowardly.

Obamafan . ..
yes.

danita, wow, WOW! thanks

And you will have to kiss the portraits of all the former Democratic presidents, and then donate your wages to supporting overweight white women who will watch FOX news all day and tell you the world is going to end.

sandy . .. .
I hear you, and I know you’ve got it right. so do most of the decent, thinking people in America. thanks.

“if the Admin. wanted to track down people who disagree with them they wouldn’t need to ask for people to report them … ”
Now that new people are speaking out who’ve been silent since the 2000 “election” (thank you, Al Gore — another Obama-style pile of chicken chips), it couldn’t hurt.
Besides, the REAL point is to draft an army of self-identified “agents” for the Obama Snitch State: once someone’s SENT them somebody else’s email, they have BOTH those names in the biiig database.
Truth squads that cut both ways. Get it? :^|
It’s insidious. He really should be impeached. If we had a Congress.

All this time the people thought republicans represented freedom. What the republicans were really saying was freedum. They freedum from good dependable jobs. They freedum from the American Dream. They freedum from responsible government. It’s enough to make a patriot choke on their freedom fries. Remember the meek shall inherit the earth. The republican interpretation of that is about 6 feet of it.

Abraham Lincoln said, “You cannot bring
about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot
strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You
cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the
wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood by
encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor
by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of
trouble by spending more than you earn. You
cannot build character and courage by taking away
man’s initiative and independence. You cannot help
men permanently by doing for them what they
could and should do for themselves.”

“good gosh don’t confuse danita with facts…” – Boxcar
Speaking of facts… Where’s that list of Reps that were called terrorists, muslims, traitors and unAmerican by MSM???? We’re still waiting.

Most reasoning people could say some good things about Obama, some good things about Bush, some good things about Clinton, some good things about Carter etc. Someone once said if you have so much hatred toward someone maybe you should look in the mirror.

“They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities…” – deanbob
Wow, that’s a perfect description of Ronald Reagan, charisma and all.

Hah! The smear and fear campaign against Obama FAR outweighed anything that came from the Obama camp.
Posted by: danita
danita, what color is the sky in your world? The Obama campaign managed to label Bill Clinton, the first black president, a racist.

And then there is Eric Cantor who has decided he is the president. It is shocking that sitting legislators on a junket to a foreign country in a region of the world ready, willing and perfectly capable of exploding would openly defy the ongoing policy of their country. At the least, undermining the U.S.official foreign policy in this way is disloyal. At worst, it’s treason.

Another name caller?

Would you go to a mechanic for an opinion on a heart transplant? No. Well why should we believe politicians who don’t read bills and consult the AMA in their attempts to improve healthcare?

“served by women wearing Michelle Obama masks”
With pictures of Obama’s $600 gardening sneakers taped to their flat feet?

During these uncertain economic times the extremists on the right are using fear on many Americans to help further the Right Wing cause of doing nothing for Obama, of course unless it means doing something for their own interest.
I think the American people and voters have been here and seen these actions from the right wing previously. Americans will need to stand up and be heard. Any discussion especially in townhall meetings that are important to our American values. These type of discussions being held for Health Care issues were never held for the 2nd Iraq war because the GOP is not interested in other American opinions except for the Right Wing input.
Nine years ago, a candidate for president promised Americans that he would unite the country – at a time when it seemed that’s just what America needed. Instead, by 2004, America saw a country that had become more divided. America was now in two wars; its popularity in the world was slipping, in part due to its invasion of Iraq ; Congress had become even less effective than it was when it was deeply mired in partisan politics at the end of the Clinton years; and the economy had begun to show signs of a slow hemorrhaging.
Nine years later, after two terms of the promised “uniter,” George Bush, America finds itself with an economy on the brink of disaster – a result of reckless spending and mismanagement by a Republican administration that ran on the platform of smaller, effective government and fiscal responsibility. The American economy has a long way to go to recover in 2009, but recovery will never be soon enough for Americans that just need a fair chance to help themselves. Health Care that is fair to all Americans may just be the only change Americans need to help Americans keep chasing their American Dreams.

Health care needs reform. Most will not argue that. But why has Washington ignored reforming the legal issues with healthcare?

Cornyn had asked the White House “to cease this program immediately” or at the very least “detail to Congress and the public the protocols that your White House is following to purge the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and identities of citizens who are reported to have engaged in ‘fishy’ speech.”
“When asked, Gibbs acknowledged that the White House is required by law to save all correspondence it receives.”
So there, Cornyn, the “Law” gives us the right to identify YOU and all the other “fishy” citizens, and one night around midnight, there will be a knock on your door…

Bush over-spent. So over-spending by a factor of at least 3 times must be 3 times as good for our debt? No wonder we’re drowning!

The point is until the final health care bill takes form, there IS no bill to read or to critique. So before you start yelling and screaming about what you THINK may be in the bill, wait until the final bill comes out, and then sit down and read it. Until then any arguments are moot.

deanbob . …
We do have some indication of what Americans want in their health care from a recent Pew poll
Although the public has a more negative than positive general reaction to the health care proposals being debated on Capitol Hill, there is broad support for many of the core elements of the legislation currently before Congress.
Nearly two in three (65%) favor requiring that all Americans have health insurance, with the government aiding those who cannot afford it.
Nearly as many (61%) favor requiring employers who do not provide insurance to pay into a government health care fund.
And there is broad support (79%) for prohibiting insurance companies from denying insurance to people with pre-existing conditions.
By a margin of 52 to 37% Americans favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans.
There is broad support (63%) for raising the taxes on affluent people to help pay for changes to the health care system.

Yes, the wiretapping policies do not sit well with me. The difference between you and me is that I can criticize President Obama when I believe he is wrong. You guys just sat on Cheney’s decisions and never raised your voices.

“Obama kept Bushies wiretapping policies in place. Does that upset you?”
Obama is a less-entertaining version of Bush, with a chip on His shoulder, His nose in the air, and a mouth full of Much Obliged.

Nice bias. I really enjoyed your slander and lies. Very professional.

IN fact all of you should be interested in a new trend in hiring – finding out what applicants have said on-line.
In some cases, people have been discovered making inappropriate comments about women or minorities on-line and been fired for it. The theory being that it is a warning sign of potential trouble in the workplace.
So all this “social networking” has a negative side.
Just like everything in life – the Internet, Freedom of Speech, Health Care Reform, Cash for Clunkers – nothing is perfect. Everything is combination of pros and cons.

and you wingnuts are so AFRAID that the White House might be collecting information??????? Where were you when the Bush White House was opening our mail and emails and monitoring our phone calls, trampling on our constitution, flushing our economy down the toilet, and starting a war based on lies????? Where were your complaints then?
Posted by: sandy | Aug 6, 2009 11:20:21 PM
Bush’ approval rating dropped to the 30′s. Obama won with the help of Republicans. The Democrats took control in 2006, I think the complaints were filed in the voting booth, same as they will be for Obama and Democrats in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Aug 6, 2009 11:35:09 PM
What 200 day poll? I missed that one.

Cornyn is the guy that made the comment that activist judges were causing a violent backlash when a judge was gunned down in the courtroom. He’s not a great thinker, and as a Texas Senator he is only equal to fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison in their ability to do nothing for years but keep getting re-elected.
As a native Texas who has lived here for over 50 years, I do believe that Cornyn, like most of his fellow Republicans, will say and do anything to distract the American people, and failing that, they will work to convince them that the billions of dollars of collected in taxes certainly don’t deserve to be spent on the American people in an effort to improve the sorry state of health care in this country.
Spend it on wars that make military contractors billionaires, yes, but not a dime for improving the lot of the average American. Better to distract them with cries of ‘socialism.’
If having a single payer health care system is socialism, it’s still better than what the Republicans want us to do about health care, and that is nothing.

Ferrari5858 – dream on, dream on…..health care reform will pass – something that has not happened in this country in 50 years, the economy is slowly turning around, unemployment claims have dropped, the housing market is up. What you CAN look forward to is more Democrats in the Senate and the House in 2010 and the re-election of President Obama in 2012.

“If having a single payer health care system is socialism, it’s still better than what the Republicans want us to do about health care, and that is nothing.”
–> Single Payer isn’t “socialism” any more than public libraries are socialism.
By the time the chickens in the Congress get back to DC, they may be ready to vote FOR Weiner’s amendment converting OblablaCare to Single Payer.
If Obama hadn’t chickened out to the insurance companies — in other words, if He’d INSISTED on Single Payer from the beginning — He’d be … less of an embarrassment than He is.
But noooo: The One is done. With this pig of a bill, He loses even if it “wins”.

jimb – remember these people who oppose “socialized” health care seem to foget we already have “socilaized” health care and programs in place -Medicare, Medicad, along with social security, police, fire, road construction, VA care for vets….’Course, if these same people are so against these benefits, they can tell the government they do not want their social secuirty checks and send them back and will just plain turn down Medicare when they are of age.

Oh Sandy you are so right. I cant believe that this is happening in our country where the government is requesting information on any comments that appear “fishy”. My family and I were stationed at the base at Guantanamo Bay Cuba and I witnessed this happening in Cuba. Even children were rewarded if they would report any one who was against the Communist government . Families including parents, grandparents were put in jail or executed because of the information received. Is this where this country is going? Where is the lst Amendment that allows us “free speech” The government is trying to take that away from us too. This cant happen. We have to stand up for what we believe is right After all they are there to serve us. We need to have our country back and the only way is to vote out all the corrupt politians

I think it is disturbing all the misinformation that is being used to frighten old folks. The health bills allow funding for living will counseling, a practice common in most hospitals that can save families a lot of suffering. Yet some anti-reformers have tried to turn it into “euthanasia.” I know not all folks who are against reform resort to these kinds of tactics, but for the ones who do its abhorent behavior. I know you feel strongly about your beliefs, but please think before you act.

“If someone believes the “granny” crap”
–> If somebody DOESN’T believe the “granny” crap, he/she probably isn’t over 50, and/or hasn’t been paying attention to Oblabla’s talk about Medicare, and/or hasn’t been significantly involved with any un-rich elderly people (who haven’t spent their entire lives on the golf course).

Strong points Lydia.

Lydia – GREAT post! No one is going to be completely satisfied with the final health care bill but a public option will give the insurance companies a run for their money, make them more competitive, and help the economy as well.

“Single Payer isn’t “socialism” any more than public libraries are socialism.”
Actually I think Public Libraries are Socialist. The books are owned by the government on behalf of the people. Kind of like, oh, fire trucks, police cars, garbage trucks, tanks and planes – all assets of the people controlled by the people through representative government. Yeah, definately socialism.
“One needn’t be a Republican or right-winger, to note and deplore the Obama organization’s Mussolini-like machinations.” – Bet Noir
And what machinations would those be? What do you know about Mussolini’s political tatics? Besides some vague idea that they were bad and its slightly more PC than calling someone H

“If someone believes the “granny” crap and other stupid stories” – Thank you for recognizing that there is a lot of senseless information out there. If all the anti-reformers were as reasonable as you maybe we could find some common ground.

Jessie . ..
The Republicans lost more voters with the right wing attacks on Sotomayor – she was perfectly qualified. Unfortunately the right wing chose to attack her and pull the ‘poor white males’ number out of their pocket.
The result – yet fewer votes for Republicans next time.
And yes, more clear information on what’s in the final bills is ESSENTIAL. They’re not done yet, but when they’re done a perfectly clear synopsis should be provided.

Ferrari5858 – Oh President Obama will take it to the bank. The president is a intelligent man – he will get what he wants for the American people. You folks had 8 years to pass health care reform and did nothing about it. Your sides input is mob-lynch mentality at town hall meetings and laughing and clapping when Akin talked about lynching Democrats, Beck joking about putting poison in Nancy Pelosi’s wine, and demanted Grassley uses Kennedey’s brain tumor and Dodd’s prostrate cancer to try to make a point. I would find it very diffcult to admit that I was a Republican right now.

Forward spam to whomever floats your boat! The problem is, we don’t know for what the email adds forwarded are to be used??? That’s Cornyn’s point. Shouldn’t the White House disclose this? Getting another step closer to Chinese Revolution and Germany Pre-WW2 – no kidding.
Wrong for the govt. to request and not disclose how to use the email adds collected.

I’m an average American who does not want a govt plan shoved down my throat. I’ve also had to pay COBRA payments twice. I know how hard staying insured can be, but I’m not asking others to pay for my responsibilities. Encouraging responsibility is much healthier than instituting dependence.
Lydia, what do you think they mean when they say “cutting costs”. That’s rationing, just like in Canada and GB. And Oregon. A committee will decide what your doctor can do based on your age, health and chances of survival. Look at the USPO for heaven’s sake.
So many people think this plan will provide some utopia of free health care for all. It will provide substandard health care for the majority of people who have good plans now. And, will continue the waste, fraud and corruption that takes place now in Medicare, Medicaid and Vets care. I’ve sat all day with my dad at a vet center. Have you?
Yes, reform and fix a good system, but don’t throw it under the bus. There’s better ideas if Pelosi’s crowd would just open their private meetings and listen to them.

Posted by: sandy | Aug 7, 2009 12:19:47 AM
Your amnesia is tiring, I could give you ten examples of people making fun of Cheney’s heart problems etc. etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. I don’t condone it but don’t pretend the Democrats haven’t done the same.
It is both Democrats and Republicans who have been ignoring the obvious inevitable failure of Medicare for the past 35 years. May I repeat the obvious inevitable failure of Medicare.

pam – Ah! You have the latest Republican syndrome – ME, first! It makes no difference to people like you that others are dying because they do not have health insurance and others are suffering because they cannot afford the medications they need. The purpose of the health care plan is to level the field so EVERYONE has equal access to health care, not just those that can pay through the nose fot it. Just wait – if the time ever comes that you have a catastorphic illness or are severely injured in an accident and your insurance company drops you, YOU will be one of those dying and suffering people!

Ferrari5858 – Medicare will not fail nor will social security. The problems with both have been rocky more than once before and have survived. Scare tactics do not work any more – what do you people NOT GET about that!

pam, cutting costs means just that. For instance by using computerized health records, there will be less errors in medications, less tests being repeated by different doctors for the same patient, etc. Another terrific idea is looking at the success rates for different treatments and making it public knowledge. For instance, in certain areas of our country, back operations are done readily for the same problem that rates physical therapy in another part. Which actually has the better outcome? Right now, no one knows. Same with medication. Most doctors only have the drug co. rep giving them info on which drug works best. When a few independent trials were done, in many cases the less expensive old drug worked much better with fewer side effects. Doctors want this info, patients do but maybe the drug company doesn’t as it will affect their profits.
There are many ways to cut cost while improving the quality of care.

Posted by: danita | Aug 7, 2009 12:46:16 AM You made a baby with Down’s Syndrome one of the characters in your never ending laugh fest over the Palin family. I don’t think I need to go lower than that.

Posted by: sandy | Aug 7, 2009 12:47:51 AM Medicare will not fail nor will social security.
Maybe not according to Harvard math.

Ferrari5858 . . ..
Who made fun of Cheney’s heart problems? Name them. With citations please.
Still waiting . ..

Ferrari5858 – Harvard math? SHEESH! Really reaching for straws now!

danita, it would seem the point of Ferrari5858 comments are to change the subject away from health care reform.
We all need health care reform, even those with health insurance. As the private insurers cover less and less, any of us suffering a catastrophic illness could go bankrupt from medical bills, as many Americans do today.

Ferrari5858 — Rationed care has been in effect for many decades. Having worked in hospitals, many patients were denied care in the 70s for inability to pay. So rationed care isn’t new to the medical world, maybe to you, but it has been around for centuries.

Ferrari5858 — We Americans don’t want to pay our tax dollars out to incest babies either. Those babies grow up to be adults and they require Medicaid or state care, and the taxpayer has been paying for them all along. So, to you who think abortion is terrible, incest is much worse. We pay life time taxes for them.

The lies and innuendo are coming fast and furious from the Neo-Con crowd so yes, the white house needs to know what’s being said so they can counter with the truth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The amazing thing is the Repubs are only protecting the profits of their large insurance corporate interests.

Posted by: Lydia | Aug 7, 2009 1:20:48 AM
I was correcting the hypocrisy and maligning of those with legitimate questions and concerns about how this health care bill will affect them, and to disagree with having them all described as uncaring idiots who have nothing to add to the health care debate by Sandy. I was also pointing out that both sides have had unfair attacks and jokes made about them and their health and the feigned outrage is hypocritical.

I don’t completely get this; are incest babies non-functional in some way? I surely wouldn’t think polygomy babies would be.
Or is this just some kind of distraction?

Bet Noir — Anytime anyone uses the whitehouse.gov email are kept into archived files automatically by federal law. This has been into place forever. Have you ever been to any presidential libraries ever? Letters sent to that President during that administration who has a library also houses all the correspondence as well in archives. So, all the correspondence received via letters, email, voice are kept by law. So, Gibbs stated earlier today that those emails are kept — by Federal law. If you have sent any email to whitehouse.gov, your email is kept in an archive folder, by federal law.

dan -there will always be lies and innuendos associated with any health care reform. What bothers me even more are the people infiltrating the town hall meetings for the plain purpose of causing chaos. Senator Bingham (D-NM) in our state is holding town hall meetings via the telephone. He had 5000 people on the line yesterday and nary a problem. People actuslly had their questions answered.
Baird(D) from Washington State was on Rachel’s show this evening. He is also holding telephone town hall meetings in his state. Baird said that up to 5000 people can connect to the town hall meetings without fear of “mob-lynch mentality.”
So, there are ways to work around the disruptions and get information out there. I believe more Democrats will be following this mode of communication. It will not be as “hot” an August as the Republicans were counting on.

The reason we’re 37th in healthcare isn’t because Americans lack coverage. It’s because the whole way the medical industry works in America is backwards – they always prefer to medicate with drugs to relieve symptoms indefinitely, instead of actually finding root causes such as poor nutrition or lack of exercise. When’s the last time a doctor ever prescribed you a nutritional supplement? Not gonna happen much, because they’re trained to make money for the drug companies.

This health care reform is really public health care insurance. In England, they still have private pay insurance for those who don’t want public health care insurance. Why are so many American so ill educated in health care issues? Well, it’s because they want a “mommy” and a “daddy” to be dependent with. They want “physician” to tell them what to do. Therefore, so many Republicans are so dependent upon their physicians to tell them how to get well. They are purely lazy and imcompetent in being responsible for their own health. Prevention and wellness programs are the answer, and Republicans are so used to their dependency on physicians and all the medications they needlessly take each and every day of their lazy lives. Republicans are parasites. They are leeches and are takers. Republicans are lazy and make others work. Stop being codependent with Republicans. They need to learn how to work without taking from others. Republicans — grow up and become responsible citizens. We are tired of supporting your idiotic ideologies.

Abe Lincoln abolished slavery, and did a few other things great, but not all of his view points were equally shared. He used many ideas that were coined by Benjamin Franklin therefore, they weren’t originated by Lincoln.

danita, a weasel and a coward is an elected official who only listens to people who agree with them. As for the supposed screaming and ranting, please… get your talking points from someone other than Pelosi. When people show up to question their elected officials and are lied to and told they’re stupid, they tend to get a little hot. These people work for US and are accountable to US. In your little world, they may be “royalty” but to the majority of America, a majority I might add that does not support the current healthcare proposals, they are OUR employees and they are accountable to us. When they blow us off and lie to us, they had better be prepared to face some unpleasant consequences. Their behavior is no longer going to be tolerated.
As for your statement about censoring questions, that again leads straight to the “you’re stupid” attitude I referred to earlier. 5000 people in 1.5 hours can’t possibly have all their questions answered so the congressmen, senators and staffers pick and choose the questions they WANT to address, not the ones that put them on the spot.

Patricia, honestly you can’t expect your representative or senator to hold town hall meetings if they feel physically threatened by these bully attendees of the past few weeks. I’ve watched and listened to a few of them on the news and they are angry, misinformed people.
Our politicians have town hall meetings and I’ve never seen bad behavior like that. People shouting so others can’t be heard. People rushing at the politicians and surrounding them. They are paid to represent us in Washington but not paid to be bullied. And that’s what these people are doing, by shouting others down, drowning out other citizens. That isn’t democracy.
And the saddest part is they are all so angry or fearful because of misinformation fed to them to provoke those feelings. I am sure they would be embarassed if they read the bill they’ve been lied to about and realize they’ve been duped into believing it was bad when it’s pretty good.

Jessie sez: “Maybe the White House can focus on something more practical like encouraging congress members to READ the bill. I know, it’s 1500 pages, so maybe they should just blindly sign it since it’s so long.”
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Uh…which bill is that? And the last time I saw someone refering to “the bill”, they said it was 1000 pages.
This is one reason why the American people are not engaging in a discussion of health care reform – instead, we are just watching people scream, throw tantrums, disrupt town hall meetings, shout down other citizens trying to ask questions, throw around exaggerated labels, and then all contend they are “patriots.”
Well, I have news for you. There is nothing patriotic about deception, no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. If your ideological agenda is so much more important than the future of this country, you have no business ever using the word “patriot.”
So this business of repeating talking points issued by talk show hosts – without providing other members of the public the opportunity to respond – will eventually alienate more Americans from points of view (yes, including those who oppose it) that need to be discussed.
Health care reform is an adult conversation that affects the future of every American.

the Gestapo would have loved the hard-left tactics being employed here

Lydia-
you are delusional if you truly believe the insurance companies are behind the protests to obamacare
you may as well roll over and contribute all of your money to the gubmit…oh wait, you want to be on the receiving end don’t you?

American, maybe I’m confused about the 20% overhead that private insurance companies run on, (vs. Medicare’s 3%) plus the profit a private insurer makes plus the big bucks and bonuses paid to their top execs. No, you must be right that they wouldn’t be upset with the idea of a public insurance option giving them some competition. Plus it isn’t too hard to trace the connections between the some of the organizations sending out the info to the bullies at the town hall meetings, and their connections through donations to insurance companies.
As far as you assuming I would want to purchase said insurance, no I have good insurance now but I simply can’t afford the yearly premium raises, the higher deductibles and co-pays, if they keep going up. I would imagine my insurance company will have to restrain its greed and largesse, my family will have a little extra cash, as will millions of other families, which will surely help the economic recovery.
Not to mention all those Americans who will be able to buy affordable insurance with the public plan. As a patriotic American I feel empathy towards my fellow citizens and as I’ve said before, I think the ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ can’t realistically happen in our time without affordable health care. And as my insurance bills can prove, affordable insurance isn’t going to come from private insurance companies.

For those of you with private health insurance, just add up the increases over the last 5 years, and add in the extra you paid for co-pays and deductibles. How much of your raise, if you got one, was taken by your insurance premium? Can you continue to afford it as it spirals up further?
Now imagine that company with some real competition. See, health care reform will help all of us, even if we have insurance now. That’s why the health insurance companies are fighting so hard. We should fight just as hard.

Oh, and “Elle” – I certainly hope you are never unlucky enough to get sick and need a physician’s advice. We train for a lot of years so “purely lazy and incompetent” diabetics, cancer patients, cardiac patients, rheumatological patients, stroke patients, patients with severe infections, trauma patients etc can be “parasites”, “leeches” and “takers.”
We call it administering healthcare to those in need.
“Taking from others” is defined by taxing people so you can have something for free.
Feel free to stay home next time you have an emergency.

Alyson, your comments are a reaction, not a response. You nor anyone else can honestly say that this president is not working toward the destruction of free America. Anytime you start mandated re-distrbution of wealth and Government run programs Sic; “FOR THE PEOPLE” that is SOCIALISM.
Just for grins I would like to see an official Supreme Court validation that Obama is a Naturalized United States Citizen.

Ellie, LOOK IN THE MIRRIOR. Democrate policy (Not All Democrates)are a right arm of Socialism. Study the platform, look at the agenda. I know some very fine educated upstanding citizen Democrates that I would am proud to call them friend, patriot, American etc.
Belive me when I say that PEOPLE WHITH THE MENTALITY OF ACORN ARE OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN AGENDA AND TO HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

It’s so upsetting that people get outraged and furious when people who have spent lots of time in college and studying to be professional get paid more than folks think they should – why doesn’t anybody criticise what athletes make or movie stars – incredible amounts of money are given these people and not one person in this country seems to take such offense -

Blanche: I don’t really care what athletes and entertainers make, because I am not forced to support them unless I chose to do so.
With bankers, insurers and doctors it is a different story. those are all necessary services that no one can safely chose to do without. Therefore, when they milk they system dry and are never satisfied just to be comfortably rich, yes, people do get outraged.
I myself have an eight year veterinary degree, with added continuing ed each year. I understand the need to make a profit. It has just gotten completely out of hand.

Bagdad Bob Jr. has never made a true statement since the day he started, why should we believe him on this? As Hillary Clinton screeched in 2003, “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Yeah, on second thought, let’s just shut out all those undeserving, lazy welfare deadbeats so they don’t hog all the medical care. I’m aboard, now pull up the ladder.
Makes you so proud to be an American.

Dr Kim: I guess it depends on where you live and what your specialty happens to be. Out here in Phoenix, I know more than a few doctors who are very rich; particularly those who do procedural medicine rather than diagnostics. We have one very lavish gated community here affectionately known as “Pill Hill”, where the houses average about two mil, and it is heavily populated with docs that work out in sun City in the retirement communities. I don’t begrudge them their homes, their boats, their vacation homes and their investment portfolios. I just think there needs to be a bit of balance when it comes to things that are essential to people’s lives. I don’t turn away sick or hurt animals because they don’t have wealthy owners. I bite the bullet, set the bone and take 10.00 a month forever if need be.

By law the White House has to archive the information. The archiving of information is a violation of the privacy statute. The misinformation in the healthcare is coming from the White House, Congress and madia.

phoenix lady: “No one in their right mind wants to drive all the doctors in America out of business, nor deprive them of a motive for pursuing their education.”
Exactly. Couldn’t have said it better myself. A quick search, however, will reveal the average pay for UK and EU doctors is well below that of US (Lancet, NPR, Spiegel, CBC, etc.). In Germany doctors have been fleeing to the west for years, even going on strike in 2008 for higher pay. Could you imagine? A doctor strike? Absolutely. We have teacher strikes, garbage collection strikes, police and fire strikes, all civil servants. Why not doctors if their pay is to be regulated by the government?
No one in “their right mind” would want to construct barriers and disincentives to the best and brightest people in our country entering the medical field and expecting to be rewarded for it in the long run.
Again, where is the crisis?

Health Care reform is tyranny, I’ve been told recently. Really? Try this for tyranny, you have a debilitating disease, but can’t get treatment because you can’t afford it. You might be able to afford it if you had insurance, but you can’t get insurance because you have a pre-existing condition.
When it gets bad enough, you can go to the emergency room, but all they do is treat the symptoms until your well enough to be sent home. The underlying condition is not addressed. In fact, for any treatment to be effective, you need ongoing, therapuetic care. You’re not going to get it in the ER.
You’re condition effects you often and seriously enough that you have difficulty holding a job. Another avenue for possible insurance is closed off to you. And the cycle of ER visits continues.
But there’s nothing that needs to be fixed here. Everything is just fine the way it is. We haven’t even discussed seriously ill people who have paid their insurance premiums and done what they’re supposed to and have their insurance cancelled even as they’re seeking treatment or in the middle of treatments. We haven’t talked about uninsured children.
So all is well in America, no pun intended. Business as usual. We hate change and we hate being told we could be better. But more than anything else we hate taxes, and if anything might require tax dollars, it must be evil, unless it’s a war or new weapons. So let’s defend the status quo and denounce everything we don’t believe in or understand as tyranny.
Being 39th in overall health care is good enough for the wealthiest country in the world. Being 50th in life expectancy is just fine. After all, it’s the deadbeats driving the numbers down.
As long as we’re all willing to admit that money means more to us than humanity, we can get over this nonsense and get back to the business of destroying everything this country ever stood for in the name of greed. Because money is speech. Money is freedom. Money is God.
In God we trust.

John wrote: “Do you really thing people should be waving signs around showing Obama as a Nazi.”
If it quacks like a duck… The fact that this White House is now asking American citizens to forward emails they receive from other Americans–who oppose the Administration–to the White House so that the White House CAN KEEP TRACK of these correspondences smacks of 1930s Germany.

We shouldn’t be surprised that the Right will get hysterical if the administration in any way identifies their dissemination superhighway of lies, distortions and propaganda.

JHouse, I’m not saying that the policy is a good one — I’m saying right wingers had no problem with it for as long as Bush was in the White House and now the right’s panties are in a wad. What gives?

“So all is well in America, no pun intended. Business as usual. We hate change and we hate being told we could be better. But more than anything else we hate taxes, and if anything might require tax dollars, it must be evil, unless it’s a war or new weapons. So let’s defend the status quo and denounce everything we don’t believe in or understand as tyranny.”
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No, in correct. You are advocating taking money from me that I use to support MY family to pay for you and your family and in return MY family will not be provided for. There is also the problem that I will have to fire people to make the same profit margin. 240 people.
That is what you are advocating.

Danley, if you believe that the Bush administration was looking only for terrorists, then I have real estate to sell ya! How naive!

Skip: “The latest act of right-wing slight of hand is to try and shift the alleged interest of the administration from WHAT is being said to WHO said it. The administration is only interested in what disinformation is being spread.”
You’re missing the point. Most of the time the “WHO” is sent with the “WHAT.” Take the tin-foil hat off.
Being that the administration has already demonstrated that it considers legitimate dissent “disinformation,” it’s more than fair to criticize them for their heavy-handed, free-speech chilling, tactics. Try to imagine how you’d feel if Bush or another politician you didn’t trust had pulled something like this — we’d likely still be talking about it today.

Really tired of generalities about the health care bill. The President and all the proponents of the bill/plan just gives us ‘it is a good thing’ or ‘we are going to stop all the inequities’. Not one author or supporter of the bill has given us the actual language of the bill. It is clear that the President and the people supporting the bill don’t know squat, because they freely admit they have never read it. God help America, when the members of Congress and the President do not read the bills they enact into law. Cripes.

The truth is, we need health care reform. People need to be able to buy health insurance like they buy car insurance or homeowners insurance. Requiring employers to provide health benefits is like requiring employers to provide a company car for every employee. What was once a “perk” has now become a “right.” Open health insurance up to the free market and allow people to buy it for themselves. When they realize that their rates are going to go up because they are obese, they may actually take some accountability for their own health. BUT WHATEVER HAPPENS, DO NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL HEALTHCARE. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT PROPERLY OR EFFICIENTLY RUN ANYTHING.

The latest act of right-wing slight of hand is to try and shift the alleged interest of the administration from WHAT is being said to WHO said it. The administration is only interested in what disinformation is being spread. We all know pretty much who spreads them.
Posted by: Skip | Aug 7, 2009 10:34:15 AM
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Exactly! It’s been amazing to watch it move through the underground conservative food chain–from Drudge to Limbaugh to Malkin to Fox News.

Alyson: “Exactly! It’s been amazing to watch it move through the underground conservative food chain–from Drudge to Limbaugh to Malkin to Fox News.”
I know, those terrible right-wingers have the nerve to call out the Obama administration for their free speech chilling, Gestapo tactics. How dare they dissent to the great one.

TYPICAL of dictators. Remember how Joe Stalin liked being called “Pappa Joe” while he was ordering the murder of millions of his own people ? Emperor O’Babble doesn’t tolerate disagreement well, he babbles, you do.

A big piece of disinformation is coming from the Demos. You can’t add 45 million anythings, to any system, and not increase costs!

Alyson: “It’s out of context, no?”
No, his words are his words. And, I’m not misrepresenting them or taking them out of context at all.
Alyson: “From the WH blog: “The full transcript from the event shows that Obama was talking about setting up an insurance exchange . . .”"
Unsurprisingly, the White House blog is wrong. Here’s the question that was asked followed by Obama’s response. I’ve also included a link to Obama’s transcript of the event if you would like to see the full context, not just the context offered by the White House.
Tumulty: “Senator, on the question that is really the lynchpin of all these other questions, which is coverage, there are only a few ways of getting there. Could you at least give us a sense of where your thinking is on this? Have you accepted or rejected any of the concepts like an employer mandate or require that employers provide coverage? An individual mandate where people would have to buy into the system the way they do with auto insurance?
Are you wedded, for instance, to this idea, as the first two candidates were, that we basically should stick with this system in which most people get their coverage from their employers or have you found any positives to the idea that’s being offered by your colleague, Ron Wyden, to essentially break that system and come up with a new one? Could you at least give us a sense of, you know, which possibilities here intrigue you and which ones that maybe you’re dismissing at this point?”
Obama: “I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out where we’ve got a much more portable system.”
Alyson: “His eliminating “employer coverage” – not “private” coverage – comment is about people buying insurance through this exchange or “pool” rather than through their jobs so insurance would be portable.”
The problem is that the “employer coverage” and “private coverage” are essentially one in the same. If you create a public plan that is artificially better than what private industry can compete with and allow everyone to enroll, it will eventually “eliminate” private insurance. According to Obama, that would be 10-20 years out. I would argue that it would happen much sooner.
The bottom line fact is true — Obama has previously admitted that a public “option” will eliminate employer/private insurance despite his recent false claims to the contrary. Obama hasn’t been taken out of context, he’s been caught with his own words deceiving the American people.

“You’re missing the point. Most of the time the “WHO” is sent with the “WHAT.” Take the tin-foil hat off.”
I like my tin-foil hat. It filters out extreme right-wing baloney. You guys should try one sometime. If you did you might nominate more qualified candidates than Sarah Palin and start winning elections.

What the hell did you expect – fair play. The name of this game is Chicago hardball politics at its worst as practiced by an expert. When someone swims in a cesspool some of the material that rises to the top is going to stick.

I know, those terrible right-wingers have the nerve to call out the Obama administration for their free speech chilling, Gestapo tactics. How dare they dissent to the great one.
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Well, you’re the one more familiar with them than I am so if you want to call them “terrible,” and their tactics “Gestapo” that’s entirely up to you. I’m guessing you’d know way more about it than me. I just want good information out there so people can make choices and decisions based on facts and undistorted context

Try to follow along.
See post below, Anon . .. I get it:)

Dear President Obama and White House Staff,
I truly regret that you feel the need to establish such an invasive and divisive program to manage the debate over health care and the general direction of the country. I remember Hillary Clinton’s health care program running into some of the same arguments and ultimately failing to pass.
Harkening back to the words of the immortal Thomas Jefferson:
“I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive. Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press.”
“Most bad government has grown out of too much government. I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
-Thomas Jefferson (collected form various letters)
Sir, you took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Becoming one of those enemies, by attacking the First Amendment right to free and uncensored speech, renders your oath worthless and invalidates your position as the duly elected President of the United States. The same oath applies to your subordinates, sworn or otherwise, because they are serving at your pleasure and with your support.
I took the same oath when I served in the United States Army, and though I served in a war that I did not agree with, I supported my Commander-in-Chief. Your recent actions and statements are not “just words”; they belie a philosophy of governance that is antithetical to the Constitution of the United States.
I beg you to reconsider your support for the “flagging” program and allow the debate to go forward unhindered. The American conscience has no room for tyrants and dictators, and we, as a nation, have fought against too many of these unholy leaders to allow a de facto dictatorship to exist on our own soil.

How ridiculous – all they are doing is identifying the silly and ficticious rumors – like all “old people” will receive a visit for “death counseling” so that they can be answered. If the health reform opponents did not put out false information in an effort to scare people this could be what it should be – a civil discussion about a serious problem that we are all facing.

>>Continued Gibbs: “but nobody is collecting names.”
I’m going to apply the same standard to Gibbs that the Democrat mainstream applies to protestors.
Gibbs is too well dressed. He is therefore a liar. No debate is allowed.

Posted by: Jim Chapman | Aug 7, 2009 1:04:37 PM
Wow, Jim. You know, I think the intent of the whole flagging thing has been misread and blown out of proportion,and I’ve been arguing about it, BUT I really, really like your letter. Good job!!

Jim Champan. I dont think ive seen it put better on any site ive been on. Well said sir, and thank you for your service to this country giving us the right to speak our minds.

When asked, Gibbs acknowledged that the White House is required by law to save all correspondence it receives.
Continued Gibbs: “but nobody is collecting names.”
Can’t be both Gibbs.
You’re asking for the Internet Snitch Brigade to forward ‘fishy’ emails to the White House.
AND those emails are required to be saved, then, by default, your “collecting names”.
Unless your claiming that nobody will read the emails you are asking for.
Seriously the white house/DNC has an army of trolls monitoring the internet now.
The only valid point I can think of for this “Internet Snitch Brigade” is to do a “big brother” fear into the population.

James Danley writes: “so that the White House can keep track of those individuals.”
Danny: “What is your evidence for that?”
Danny, what is your evidence there not using names, email, addresses, IP addresses and private speech of U.S. citizens to monitor the people who’s names, email, addresses, IP addresses they are collecting?
No one is buying the BS the rational put out by the White house.
Would you agree with this?
Allow a watchdog group to monitor this “ collect and save e-mails, addresses, IP addresses of private U.S. citizens.
Subject Each and every E-mail they have collected to a hearing, under oath, with cameras, an explanation of why they, the White House (Obama), collected that specific E-mail.
The person who wrote the E-mail and the person who sent that E-mail per the White house request will be present.
Each and every E-mail will be gone over with complete documentation of what was said about the E-mail and what was done with the information in that E-mail.
All expensive paid for by the White house.
If the White House (Obama) has nothing to hide, and wants true transparency, this should be no problem.

Danny wrote: “So in other words there is no evidence, just speculation attributing the worst motives to the Obama administration while ignoring any other possible motivations…”
President Obama studied under the principles of Saul Alinsky. Look up “Rules for Radicals” on the Internet and read these principles. President Obama is following these principles quite nicely.

OBAMA and his tattle tell website needs to be reported on your news outlet EVERY single evening
HE is a dictator and is a horrific President
I am ashmaed of him as our President.
I am sending this to every news outlet and see which won of you report on this.

James–That quote about “the best education I ever had” is from Obama’s resignation letter as Senator in which he thanks the people of Illinois for the opportunity of working with and serving them. To say that quote is about Alinsky is reading into it something that’s plainly not there.
As far as Marshall, I was raised throughout my childhood by Republican parents and I’ve never voted for a Republican! And Wright–I’ve never heard Obama say anything likethe worst instances of Wright’s rhetoric.
Besides, no one is a complete replica of their associates and influences.
If Obama is such a radical, why did he listen to mainstream economists instead of Paul Krugman when he had the most political capital, at the beginning of his term?
And what do YOU propose for solving the health care issues:
–millions of hard-working Americans who can’t get insurance because they have pre-existing conditions and/or can’t afford outrageous premiums
–the unaffordable cost of COBRA if you lose your job
–health insurance companies constantly raising premiums and fees and cutting services

Danny, I wasn’t sure you caught my posting before it was deleted.
If you say your best education “ever” was under the instruction of John L. McKnight, and McKnight is a loyal student of Saul Alinski, I don’t believe you can expect the education to include Capitalism 101.
Here are my ideas on the healthcare issue, specifically with regards to those individuals who are uninsured:
1. Between 7-8 million of the uninsured are satisfied to pay cash for their healthcare. They are well enough off that they can afford it. Why should they be forced to have to pay from $3,000 to $10,000 annually, when they may go 20 years paying only a couple hundred dollars a year paying for annual checkups?
2. 20 million of the uninsured are illegal immigrants. They should not be covered!
3. That leaves about 20 million uninsured who just can’t afford healthcare insurance. The federal government can financially assist these individuals to purchase a private health insurance policy of their choice.
Most of the current proposals require that everyone must have healthcare insurance. THAT is limiting our freedom.
Now then mandating that private healthcare insurers meet minimum requirements also limits OUR freedom–the freedom to choose the specific coverage that we want. If covering abortion is mandated then that forces individuals who oppose abortion to actually financially support abortion through their premiums.
Finally, the private sector cannot compete with the public option that’s because they must make a profit in order to stay in business. And as we all know, the federal government can operate even in the red. So eventually, in spite of the rhetoric to the contrary, the public option WILL BECOME to sole provider of healthcare. That denies us any choice in the matter.

DM Thornton wrote: “…if you truly believe that after all the facts come out of health care reform that the Obama administration iS on the wrong course voice your concerns at that time.”
That will be a like waiting until the foxes eat the chickens before warning the farmer that the foxes have invaded the chicken coop. That’s because all of the facts about healthcare reform will not come out until AFTER the bill has been passed and signed into law. Nice try! We will not keep quite!
Now then, saying that if Obama fails the country must also fail is not understanding our concerns. IF President Obama’s true agenda is the complete socialization of America, then those of us who do not want a socialized country would not consider the country as having failed if we avoided becoming socialized.
Finally, to say that we who oppose this healthcare reform have not taken the time to fully understand the issues is totally inaccurate. WE KNOW that the public option will end private healthcare insurance. WE KNOW that the public option will end up being the SOLE provider of healthcare in America. EVEN THE LEFT KNOWS this is the case.
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) speaking before an audience on April 18, 2009 said: “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who then argued against the public health insurance public option saying, ‘It wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single payer.’” To which the crowd erupted into a huge applause. She then followed with, “He was right. The man was right.”

Yes, page 425 mandates counseling for those 55 years of age and older for advance directives. Advance directives may be a living will or a durable power of attorney for health care. Either way, the advance directive allows you to state how end-of-life care should be handled. Now, those in favor of the Obama health care reform state that only the COUNSELING is mandatory. However, those doing the counseling are employees of the government run health care.
So my issue with this is a basic and unethical conflict of interest! How do you explain the “counseling” regarding advance directives when your job is to reduce costs, regulate and ration health care?
I am all for health care overhaul, but I agree with the previous post regarding vouchers for the 20 million LEGITIMATE Americans without health care.

DM Thornton said “It has become apparent to me that all of you who are opposed to health care reform, have not taken the time to fully understand the issues”
Well you are dead wrong. I am fully aware of the issue – I worked in a hospital finance department for 20 years. I completely understand the issues & the course the government is on is the WRONG one. The government is the reason healthcare is in the mess that it is in. There needs to be TRUE healthcare reform as follows:
1) Dismantle Medicare – the creation of this bureaucratic, bloated, ineffective program was the beginning of our healthcare problems – give seniors cash during the transition to upgrade their supplemental insurance.
2) Allow insurance companies to sell products across state lines (and across county lines within states)
3) Give incentives to pharmaceutical companies to charge other countries the same as what they charge us – why should we fund the research for the rest of the world?
4) Encourage the legal system to throw out frivolous lawsuits and juries to award appropriate amounts instead of the millions they do now (I would say ‘tort reform’, but that is still too much government intervention)
5) Allow small businesses to form healthcare consortiums (with 501(c)3 status) to purchase insurance at reduced rates.

I just realized I should have referenced Donna BH, not D J Schaeffer. Sorry for the mistake.

Indeed. We spend years rooting out Communism and now “Big Brother” has come to America.
Liberals, you make me sick. Not willing to stand up for anything unless you’re pointing out our failures as Americans.
Now we want to collect information on dissention about the Socialist Agenda of a charismatic and dangerous president….
Let’s start adding up this guys actions and start worrying about where our government is going.
I don’t look good in a hammer and sickle.
Liberalism, the new Socialism. Let’s take care of everyone who refuses to take care of themselves.
Now I’m ashamed of what we elected and did to this country.

Any business who receives personally identifiable information (PII) into a computer system they run is required by law to either prove that they have taken measures to keep it secure/private or to prove they do not store it in any way. The White House should explain how it is doing the same. From White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs flip responses to questions of privacy concerns, such as “nobody is collecting names”, it seems they don’t take this issue seriously. Citizens should be concerned…very, very concerned.