Obama Ally: Dem Majority Is History If Health Reform Fails

This ‘ally’ has it all wrong. What the democrats don’t get is this: if they PASS health care reform, Democrats will lose their congressional majority in next year’s midterm elections.
Listen to the silent center. It’s waking up!

America DOES need change – but not Obama’s dictatorial fascist kind.
America needs LESS government, not more.

For the current political leaders covering up as Democrats it’s all about power and a fringe ideology instead of what’s right for the American peoople in the long run. Democrat Party be cleansed!

Our leaders our so into their own planned agenda that they are out of touch completely with the American people. Health care passes? Dems are OUT. Write it down.

Exactly right, Nate. My sentiments exactly. And there may very well be a Constitution-based tax revolt as well. The Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate commerce among the several states but not the right to ENGAGE in commerce, anywhere.

Wow, and I thought that the dems were going to lose their majority by voting for healthcare reform…
All I can say is that the dems need to keep this up. Vote that healthcare bill in and give the house back to the republicans.
Follow that administration right into the pits of flames.

We need a viable third party to emerge.

Dam*ed if the do and dam*ed if they don’t but then again they brought the subject up so who do they really have to blame except themselves?

What a load of crap! About the only thing that can save this administation is the failure of this health care monstosity. If this thing passes there are 55 Democrats from the south who will either switch parties or be defeated. While I think the Dems will keep the Senate (90%), the fact that Californa (Boxer has a fight with the former CEO of HP), Illinois, Nevada and Connecticut are should be of significant concern. If healthcare passes: 2004 Red States with Democrat lawmakers alaready care an up hill fight specifically AR (Lincoln), ND (Dorgan), CO, and IN.
The GOP has its own problems with retirements, but if this waive continues the GOP will hold on to those seats and be hunting Democrats, this during a race where Republicans are defending a lot more. All and all I see the GOP picking up 5 senate seats; enough to neautralize Obama. 2012, will see the GOP take the Senate, as the 2012 and 2014 promist to be big GOP years with the Democrats being the defenders!

I’m always interested in the opinions of those who kneecap other people. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that after this rush toward totalitarianism, there were be no Democratic majority with or without the health care debacle. Mr. Stern is advised that is debacle is not an example of ‘reform,’ it is an example of enslavement.

Their majority is history if they ram it down our throats through reconciliation too. I’d hope the days of the Democrat Politburo are over in 2010.

America needs LESS government, not more.
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What does that even mean?

The Democrats will lose control of congress no matter what happens with this bill. We’ve watched them since 2006 and as soon as Bush was out, they assumed they could party it up with OUR money. They aren’t listening to their constituents (Bailout, anyone?) and we’ve absolutely had it. The Bailout was the last straw for me.

The Democrats backs are to the wall. The problem with that is if the Democrats pass a bill just for their party unity vs them passing a bill that is supported and helps all Americans. The Dmocrats have put themselves in this jam, lets hope they don’t try to get out the jam by screwing over the American people.

consider myself part of silent majority. I woke last election. That is why Republicans were booted out on their ass. Republicans will not make gains unless they offer some real solutions to help people in need. But their heart is not in it…..Democrats have their problems, Republicans have bigger ones (i.e, no leadership)…
Posted by: Indy_voter | Aug 20, 2009 1:36:29
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Mitt Romney is leadership……..
And Mitt Romney will be our next POTUS in 2012 and Mitt will serve for two successful terms…….reducing the size of the Federal government to MATCH the receipts coming into the US Treasury
…….MITT ROMNEY 2012-2020 ! Now it’s time to elect the MOST qualified POTUS

Andy Stern got it backwards, If Obama Care passes the democrats WILL lose their majority in one if not both houses.
Why do you think Andy Stern wants Obama care, so he can unionize (the currently well paid) health care workers.
I can hardly wait unionized health care workers. Obama care, run with the efficiency of the post office and the compassion of the IRS.

I expect every conservative screeching agsinst “Obama socialism” to reject their social security and Medicare when they retire. Or are you only agaisnt socialism when it doesn’t benefit YOU?

Pass or don’t pass – Out either way. The real question is for how long. Can the republicans remember that they should stand for smaller government, not more power?

I think the dems are going to lose regardless of the results of the healthcare reform. They have shown once again that the details of the bill and the will of the people mean nothing to them. The pompous belief that they know what is good for the people, despite any facts, is going to come back and bite them.

What are you talking about? HUH? If they fail to get a health care bill passed? BACKASSWARDS.. If the DEMS force any health care reform they will be DONE! The votes will start speaking out next election. People are already fed up with the outrageous spending! Go back and read what people are saying… You’ve got it all wrong!

If it fails, they could paint Harry Reid’s 8 billion dollar magnetic train boondoggle, from LA to Las Vegas, white with red crosses on top, and provide health care to the entire South West United States for years.

Why should the Unions care anything about the health care debate? They, like Congress are exempt from this govt. garbage.
What the exemption grants them is the largest illegal Union Organizing Drive in history. They are hoping folls rush into membership to protect their health care options.
What Trash the unions have become.

The dems and Obama have painted themselves into a corner. If they don’t pass this horrible, un-American bill, they tick off their base (the FAR left). If they do pass this horrible, un-American bill, they tick off the rest of the country. LOL Once again, they over-reached and haven’t a clue how to back peddle.

FINALLY, we’re waking up. Late but better than never.
In answer to the fool asking the question “why do we keep electing these idiots” the answer is WE don’t. Too many of us sat home.
STOP THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM ALL of it’s goals. Every single one is a bait n switch from the campaign, we knew it before, and now it’s taking forever to DAWN on the idiots who voted for him.
LAST Lib administration for 50 years, or we DESERVE to fail as a nation.
SMARTEN UP YOU IDIOTS!

I expect every conservative screeching agsinst “Obama socialism” to reject their social security and Medicare when they retire. Or are you only agaisnt socialism when it doesn’t benefit YOU?
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M, you’re not going to have to worry about conservatives rejecting SS and Medicare. Those programs are going bankrupt. They won’t have a choice in the matter.

i am shopping at whole foods now.

The Democratic majority is already history. They were DOA. They lost touch during the Bush administration, and continue to use typical methods in handling the people they “represent”. It is business as usual, when they don’t like the message they demonize the messenger. Look at Barney Frank’s town hall he talked down to his constituants like they were children.

Demos have always been a party of special interest groups. Demos must go to the center. That is where we are.

We do not need a third party. I am absolutely committed to a two party system. I just don’t think that the Democrat Party should be one of them. I believe we need a Republican Party and a Conservative Party. that way people like John McCain would have a party, and conservatives like me would have a party.

I agree If it does pass there probably won’t be a democrat majority and possibly no democrat party.

The voters have ALREADY expressed buyers’ remorse for their Obame vote.

So Stern commands 2 million people; seems like that’s less than one percent of the population. Why are these goons so powerful? I agree with all the others that have said he’s got it completely backwards. The only chance the Dems have of maintaining a majority is to NOT pass a government-run health care option. We don’t want it! Doesn’t work elsewhere, won’t work here.

FIGHT THEM ON THE BEACHES, FIGHT THEM IN THE STREET, FIGHT THEM IN THE MOUNTAINS.
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP(this is a rough quote of Winston Churchill for those who are products of public schools).
Politicians if (your male) grow and pair. Filibuster, block, call news conferences, go on Fox, email,and let the ones that vote for killing old people and the sick take 100% credit. Then in the next elections, the American people will vote the scum out, and change the socialist laws.

They just don’t get it. If the democrats pass a health care bill, they are toast in the next election. At least, all those who vote for it. Many are going to be toast anyway because they vote for the “stimulus bill” and the “Cap and Trade” tax increase.

Of course, Mr. Stern’s commitment to healthcare reform can only mean that the unionization of healthcare workers is mandated somewhere in the bill……

I knew Roosevelt, Barry- You are no Roosevelt

White is black. Black is white. The truth is a lie. The Democrats will loose Congress if health care is not passed? Give me a break. The public is against the proposed bills. The Democrats will loose Congress if any of these bills are passed.

I have read the constitution many times and I have never found where it states that health care is a right.
Health care is a state issue. If a state wants to create a failing public option like Michigan, than go ahead. The federal government needs to keep our borders safe and keep their social engineering in the liberal classrooms where it belongs.
P.S. These union thugs need to be brought up on rico statutes

They will lose all of the House and some Senate seats anyway! Never trust a dem!

If they pass reform the independants will vote them out. If they don’t pass reform the far left will vote them out.
Most of the reforms really start in 2011–why can’t the whole thing be repealed after they have lost their majority.

It’s my body, keep your hands off Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank and all the rest. I will NEVER particpate in the government’s takeover of my health health decisions. Leftist democrats, you can put in me in jail for refusing to allow you to make my health decisions. You can impose fines on me too but I will never pay them. I WILL NOT LET YOU TAKEOVER MY BODY!!
AND a word of warning to all democrats, moderates included, if the dems pass this they will lose in 2010 big time

I am amazed in the town hall meeting, Obama still hopes his old supporters will rally behind him on health reform by ‘going out and knocking on peoples’ door’, not knowing that he has already lost the support of big chunk of senior citizens, small business owners, medical doctors , the health insurance industry as well as the middle American who resent Obama’s high spending and debt which could result in run away inflation.

The Democratic magority and the healthcare legislation was already lost on day.
The Democrats built their numbers by promising opposite things to different people. This created a road to failure because you can NOT achieve opposite ends. They were bound to lose huge supporters no matter what they did.
Now the healthcare debate is a lost cause for them, because the inevitable happened…People wokeup to the details and what they see they do not like.

This amounts to nothing more than the SEIU issuing public a threat to all the congressional dems… If don’t pass a bill then you can expect the SEIU to pull any support for you in 2010. Nice to see the mob is alive and well. They long ago realized that squeezing the democrats out of our hard earned tax dollars was a lot more lucrative than gambling, strippers, and drugs!

Hope and Change has turned into Dopey and Deranged.

Got it backwards, if this monstrosity passes, in any way, shape, or form, the Democrats are toast. The people of this country do not want to be told how much health care they MUST have, how much they can use, all administered by the people who brought you the Indian Health Service, the VA, the Post Office, the Cash for Clunkers fiasco. Reagan was never as right as he would be today, government is not the answer, government is the problem.

Health care reform will pass this year…guaranteed!!!!
you come here with your garbage because the FOX fixed blog is a clunker
Glenn Beck never…never….never has an opposing (fair & balanced) view on his show. hios lack of intelligence could not handle it.

“Republicans have bigger ones (i.e, no leadership)…”
All so-called leadership accomplishes is to further the attempts of those who simply want a figure-head for stereotypes of group-think. Republicans have been accused of group-think. The “lack of leadership,” or more accurately the “lack of figure-head” simply exposes and undermines the prejudiced misconceptions and lack of critical thinking of the left.

Hey America, I have an idea, let’s get rid of government employee unions. When did we decide that we work and pay taxes to support them? That’s right, we never did but that is how it works today.
The Democrats are the party of government (the government employees and their unions) lobbying the government (almost all Democratic and some Republican politicians) for higher salaries and fewer hours (and ridiculously unrealistic pensions).
I don’t blame them, if I were in a union I would expect it to get me more money for less work or else I’d say “what am I paying for?” But in this scenario I am a taxpayer and the system we have now is designed to let the SEIU, the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees, and other unions line the pockets of Democratic politicians and make it up when those Democratic politicians make absurd (and un-keepable promises to the unions on salaries and pensions). Look at California and New York, the two richest states in the country are almost bankrupt because of promises made to government employee unions by Democratic politicians. This is Obamanomics and it is why he is a socialist joker.

Translation: you do what we want or we will withold the dues our members are forced to pay. We were promised this when we gave millions of our members money to Obama’s campaign and the Democrat Party.
The fact that this union has bought and paid for power in the White House that will over ride the will and voice of the People is unConstitutional and should frighten every voter.

If SIEU members will be part of this healthcare reform I would have believe them but all these people are exempted from this mandate. It is time to come clean, SEIU.

you have to laugh at the union thugs and the white house. first obama lambaste the postoffice for poor management in defense of goverment healthcare. does any one with a brain see the flaw with that premise. i kaughed my jead off after he said it, his putrple army roughed up people at the town hall meetings. so now they say if you dont pass your history. as most intelligent peoplein on this see if they do pass obama will be carter redux, only worse

Ya know, you’ve got to love articles like this. This is true professional panic. They are screwed either way. Their biggest mistake is that they have completely abandoned the idea of being a “representative republic” through all of this. The gap between the “haves” and the “have nots” will be HUGE when this guy leaves office. Study history…..

Shouldn’t real healthcare reform begin with outlawing tobacco? Why should we cover peolple who purposely give themselves cancer? Furthermore, with the epidemic of diabetes, we should stop subsidizing the production of corn since its oversupply is used to make the main culprit – sweeteners.
That is real reform, but nobody, either Republicans or Democrats, have the balls to do that. Instead we all just fight amongst ourselves like children. Lame, lame, lame. A nation of morons.

why would the dem’s or the repub’s care one way or the other?
they both helped to push the country over a cliff.
what’s left to run?

SURE LET’S ALL VOTE REPUBLICAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND WE ALL LOVED IT WITH THEM IN CHARGE….BRING BACK GEORGE…NEWT….CHENEY. BETTER YET BRING IN PALIN…MCGOO….HUCKLEBERRY…

ABC kool-aid drinkers, the Democrats are out no matter what they do with healthcare reform. Everyone sees how they lied to get back in power. The old bate and switch, fool me once theory. The Republicans do have a plan, you just don’t hear about it because.. well you know why.

Let’s be honest here. For years elections have been about picking the lesser of two evils. In 2006 and 2008 we thought the dems were different, but we have found out that nothing has changed. GOP sucks, but Dems have proven themselves to be far worse.

This guy is 180 degrees off. Dem majority is safe if HC reform does NOT pass.
If it passes, they are dead in the water.
Most Americans do NOT want this monstrosity, more govt in their lives and decisions, and doesn’t trust the govt to keep costs down.
Why they keep pushing something most don’t want is an incredible display of paying back small whacky groups of voters.

I remember when former President George Bush won his 2nd term in office and declared “now he has the mandate” he demonstrated it further with” we would do whatever it takes.” President Obama has the mandate of people to preside as President. The success of his Presidency would be determined by us the people and not the GOP. Obama has to execute his power to do whatever it takes for the people of United States. The GOP know the weakness of the Democrats as timid when to unite and decide for the interest of United States. Voting for the War in Iraq was a bitter pill for the Democrats and it came to haunt Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Presidential aspirations. This is the moment and period for the Democrats not to be timid, but courageous and united; they may not satisfy everyone, but the future would prove them timely right.

SEIU threats. This is the group that proudly claims to have “delivered” a million votes in November to Obama. “Undocumented voters” if you know what I mean. Hhahah! Beware libs of constituencies you can’t control.

I remember when former President George Bush won his 2nd term in office and declared “now he has the mandate” he demonstrated it further with” we would do whatever it takes.” President Obama has the mandate of people to preside as President. The success of his Presidency would be determined by us the people and not the GOP. Obama has to execute his power to do whatever it takes for the people of United States. The GOP know the weakness of the Democrats as timid when to unite and decide for the interest of United States. Voting for the War in Iraq was a bitter pill for the Democrats and it came to haunt Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Presidential aspirations. This is the moment and period for the Democrats not to be timid, but courageous and united; they may not satisfy everyone, but the future would prove them timely right.

Andy Stern, as president of the SEIU, made $226,960 in 2006 according to wiki.answers
I hazzard a guess that this might be a bit more than the average of his members. That being said, nobody is forcing these members to stay in a position that does not pay well. We all make choices…

“Indy_Voter: I consider myself part of silent majority. I woke last election. That is why Republicans were booted out on their ass. Republicans will not make gains unless they offer some real solutions to help people in need. But their heart is not in it…..Democrats have their problems, Republicans have bigger ones (i.e, no leadership)…”
They have solutions if you are willing to look into it . . . but given that you are asking for the Government to fix yours and their problems you probably aren’t willing or able to do so. The Conservatives don’t offer social programs to simply take care of people they offer to fix the roads and avenues where people can go forward and fix ‘their own lives’. The Liberals are trying to take care of you . . . ‘cradle to grave’ and make you dependent upon them. There are many in this country that now are dependent or feel entitled to handouts from the Government. It’s about time that we give them back their dignity and let them fix their own lives. The ones that are in ‘true’ need and can’t help themselves . . . fine, lets help them but lets do it in the private sector. I don’t need the Government taking money from me and deciding who does and who doesn’t need the help based upon their own political agendas . . . I can give it away myself. The Democrats take money from some and give it to others and take credit for being so good and then during the process make the people that they are taking it from out to be bigots and selfish and self interested people. Don’t be so stinking gullable!

Health care reform? That is classic Orwellian doublespeak.
What we are talking about here is wholesale nationalization.

Indy_voter said:
America needs LESS government, not more.
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What does that even mean?
What it means is that we want less government involvement in … well in just about everything except what they’re supposed to be involved in.
As for SS, if I ever SEE any, it will be because I’ve paid in for the last 30 years or so. I’m not asking for a hand-out, which is exactly what subsidized healthcare is: taking from those who pay and giving to those who don’t.
Happiness is not a right – only the pursuit of it.

I seriously hope the Republican Party shows some smarts and stones with the golden opportunity that lies before them.
If I were running the RNC, I would be making poster children of Pelosi, Reid and every other reprehensible Democrat in the Congress that is forcing this legislation upon “we the unwilling.” Every crazy, economically irresponsible, socialistic utterance would become part of televised ads and run in the district of vulnerable incumbent Democrats from now until November 2010.

Isn’t this SEIU guy the fellow who sent some of his goons out to Russ Carnahan’s town hall to beat up Kenneth Gladly?
He’s also exactly backwards. If they cram this through, they’re finished. If they stop and deliberate, remove the govn’t takeover, they’ll be fine.

The american people do not believe any of the lying BS coming from obama the pelosi led socialist democrats or their leftist spin doctors in the media. Your tactic of having rahm send in the chicago goons to discredit the town hallers will go down as one of the all time worst political blunders, and was a disgrace to the presidency of the U.S.. It’s all over friend in 2010. If I were you I would inquiry about any openings acorn may have in 2012.

ahahah Obama really is in bed with this guy! Disturbing to say the least since the SEIU is a bunch of goons and thugs and can dispatched to “persuade” people to vote one way or another. This country is toast!

What this union thug needs to understand is that he is in the minority in America. Most Americans disagree with the SEIU and their ilk.
Passing health care in its current form will ensure big losses for the Dems. If they ditch it, they may have a better chance to retain more seats. Of course I will never vote for any Dems as I know who and what they are, socialists!!!

THIS FACIST Government needs to get out of our lives, we need less of them in healthcare, not more. Bush screwed that up and it seems like Obama is Bush on steroids.

I thought it wasn’t legal to use union dues to promote a polical party or its views without the permission of the union member. My wifes a republican and pays dues to the seiu and nobody ever asked her permission. Shouldn’t she get some of her money back?

They will lose their majority either way. They have scared the heck out of most people with their out of control spending and government takeovers. The majority of America does not want socialism

Talk about trying to use fear tactics to sway uneducated voters……Dems you should be ashamed of this one!

Their majority better go away IF they pass this garbage.

Obama and this Congress have a new majority thirsting for change. However, this new majority has to wait until 2010 and 2012 for the change they want. My challenge to Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress is… go ahead and continue to legislate what the silent majority do NOT want, and you will see change that the SEIU is not speaking about. The new wide awake silent majority wants to change Congress and the President ASAP!

If the Democrats pass their Healthcare Bill, after November 2010 they can all come to the Capital in one minivan. So go ahead Dems, make my day!

I expect every conservative screeching against “Obama socialism” to reject their social security and Medicare when they retire. Or are you only against socialism when it doesn’t benefit YOU?
Well I would rather keep just my Company insurance rather than Medicare, but as they only pay what Medicare does not, after you turn 65 you have no choice.
Unless you want to purchase your own individual policy, and remember you have been paying into both the medical and social security systems for the 45 years in my case. I don’t really consider that a socialist system just as veterans care is not socialist, they gave up a lot to qualify for it.
Plus with my company insurance which has an overseas option, I don’t have to buy a travel insurance if I want to take a cruise,travel outside the US. Now with Medicare I will have to.

More Dems are distancing themselves from Obama as his managerial ineptitude becomes obvious… and his poll numbers continue to tank.
And the reality of the President’s radical, racist, and specious agenda scares away supporters weekly.
So it comes as little surprise then if there aren’t enough Yes-We-Can troopers left in Congress willing to take-one-for-the-team in the 2010 mid-terms so the team captain can continue with his statist revolution on their political graves.

I’d beg to differ. From the way the polls are reading and this administration/Congressional leadership’s attitude towards those with grave concerns about the healthcare issue, including doctors, scientists, economists and otherwise – I believe the Democratic majority is in dire straights if they DO pass the legislations

I voted for Obama and what a mistake.Change yes 2010 and 2012.

“This ‘ally’ has it all wrong. What the democrats don’t get is this: if they PASS health care reform, Democrats will lose their congressional majority in next year’s midterm elections. ”
Thank you for your “concern” from the right. I know you have the dem’s best interests at heart. But, it’s clear.. if health reform fails, Democratic voters stay home next year and after. This is the most important issue to the base, and without them, democratic congressfolk cannot win…
The scare tactics from the right are all false… they said the same thing about Medicare, and none of them came true. The GOP knows that if substantial health reform passes, they will be in the minority for a generation, which is why they are fighting it so hard… They want a repeat of 1994 like when they defeated Clinton’s reforms…
The GOP is willing to let millions of people die from inadequate health care access for political gain. Sickening, really…

Anybody remember the 1994 Election results? They are getting ready to repeat in 2010 regardless of this crazy bill being passed or not.

Either way, whether it passes or not, why would anyone in their right mind want to vote for any Demoncrat on any level since we are seeing how the Demoncrats want to enslave us?

According to the president, we should have a “moral” obligation to pay for health reform– but can anyone tell me where he obtained the moral, or even legal, authority to instruct individuals that they are “their brother’s keeper”? It’s complete arrogance, and unfortunately such politicians are in office because of politically-lazy citizens.

Maybe the “union goons” of days gone by will come out of retirement and put in an appearance. Allowing the Dim-ocrats and their union flunkies to ram health care (er, I mean, health insurance) reform down our throats would be a disaster. In any event, I predict a repeat of 1994 with the 2010 midterms.

I still think this is the learning, testing and challenging moment for the Democrats and President Obama. The Democrats are being faintly cautious and hoping to get everything right and excellent. This is politics of who can upstage and excel in vision that may be right. The Democrats cannot guarantee to remain in power as this politics has for many years been a see-saw. Again for the Democrats, be courageous and not rely on the GOP haunting machinery that sent you to vote for a War of deception in Iraq and regretted. The regret caused Secretary Clinton the 2008 Presidential elections. Bite the bullet and execute the healthcare reformation and ignore this demonic spirit of fear from the GOP and allies. Fear has succeeded before, but not this time, even if you lose the next congressional elections, future and time would surely prove the Democrats timely right. This may be the last time to discuss Healthcare reform. Ignore the faint hearted.

This is suicide by a thousand little cuts. Democrats are in big trouble whether they pass it or not — certainly they will get their heads handed to them if they pass it, and the liberal base will splinter if they don’t. They are smashing the pillars of their political support before our eyes — letting elders, the most important pillar, crumble from the fear of losing their health care. Obama was always going to implode — what is surprising is how soon he did.

You cannot have a prescription of Liberty while sharing it with tyranny.
This administration and the current House and Senate are interested in one thing it is retaining power no matter what the cost is.
Reagan said:”Individual Liberty depends upon keeping government under control.” This is the message that we as Americans should be focused on.
If this government run health care program passes, your government will control 1/6 of the nations economy. This is too much control to be given to government, that cannot manage their own affairs, let alone our health.
Our nations health is measured by our liberty not by a board of strangers.
Greg Dildilian

If you look at the numbers at Cook Political Report, there does not appear to be enough seats to change control of Congress or the Senate.

What ever happened to the American democrats are they till out there all I see is a bunch of socialist anti american caucasion haters passing themselves off as americans belonging to the democrat party and pretend to speak for all democrats …and try to bully you if you disagree with them…this is insane please I can’t wait to vote em out …get involved lets bring and air of normalcy to Washington…Americans are not the enemy even if they disagree with you

Annie said this:
“I’m always interested in the opinions of those who kneecap other people. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that after this rush toward totalitarianism, there were be no Democratic majority with or without the health care debacle. Mr. Stern is advised that is debacle is not an example of ‘reform,’ it is an example of enslavement.”
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What does giving health care to people have to do with totalitarianism?

WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A UNION SHILL?
Unions want to milk productive americans for their own benefit!
The star-spangled banner will soon wave over the land of the freeloader and the home of the worthless.

It stinks that illegal’s are costing our country so much money! That money could be used to take care of the less fortunate Americans. It also stinks that the dems are so greedy to push their leftist ways on a country that needs to be conservative.

I don’t know about the Dems maintaining a majority, but ‘Nanny’ Pelosi and Harry Ried need to go!

Make no mistake, Obama is going to spend the next 3.5 years putting as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king and our freedoms are diminished.
Let’s continue to stand against Obama in every way and get Congress out of the hands of the insane Pelosi and Reid in 2010.
Americans are waking up, but we need to remain forceful and diligent against the Obama regime.

The Democrats are like a football team.
First quarter the apposing team leaves the field. The Democrats attempt but fail in a field goal attempt in the fourth quarter then time runs out.
I really do like Obama but I let my emotions dictate my critical political thinking.
Unbelievable and here I voted for change. Incompetence? No, this would be an overstatement.

My roof needs repaired. Should I just repair the roof? Or tear down the house and build a new one?

resist the power hungry socialist they are destructive

Al j wrote:
“Dam*ed if the do and dam*ed if they don’t but then again they brought the subject up so who do they really have to blame except themselves?”
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The people voted for the Democratic party, and health care reform is part of their platform. It has been a topic for years now. They didn’t just “bring it up.” Please stay focused!

i would love to see some real reform in health care. let us start by identifying the root causes of the problems, prioritize them, and solve them one by one. i will bet that we won’t need 1000 page laws to solve each problem. my neighbors and myself are getting frightened by what we see as out of control government spending. where is all this money coming from?

Of course, we tossed the GOP out before. I know a third party never works. I say we throw all incumbants out – even the few solid ones.

They’ve already lost. Americans are fed up, don’t like being called a mob, and got a good look at how the Democratic party regards the people: with contempt.

‘Reason’ wrote: “What does facism have to do with health care? All the democracies in the developed world have health care for eveyone, except for us. Also, less government lead to the fall of the economy. Do you want it to fall a second time?”
What are you talking about, ‘Reason’ (and what an ironic title to give yourself)? Since when has a massive, bloated government, ever in world history, led to a more stable country?

You cannot have a prescription of liberty while sharing it with tyranny.
This Administration and the current House and Senate are interested in one thing, it is retaining power no matter what the cost is.
Reagan said:”Individual Liberty depends on keeping government under control, this is the message that we as american’s need to be focused on.
If this government run health care program passes your government will control 1/6 of this nations economy. This is too much control to be given to a government that cannot manage their own affairs let alone our health.
Our nation’s health is measured by our liberty not by a board of strangers.

Obama is easily shaping up to be the most corrupt and incompetent president in modern history.
We need to impeach this guy and remove him from office ASAP.

What are these people smoking? After proposing this unspeakable obscenity (healthcare) there is no way in h… the Democratic Socialist Workers Party of America is going to remain in control of Congress after next years mid-term elections, unless they have plans to pull a coup d e tat.

Most of the posters here are correct.
If National Socialist health care passes, these guys may be voted out, but rest assured the bureaucrats will not. Once the National Socialists cement their hold on health care, you will see dem majorities until this great empire collapses.

I think the Democrats are history in the midterm elections whether health care passes or not. I am a registered Democrat, and I want the checks & balances that come with a D-President & R-controlled House/Senate. This health care bill scares the #($& out of me!

The truth is, the buyer’s remorse has been there and building for a while starting with the pet project package disguised as stimulus. Then came cap and tax and now health insurance takeover. Thank God people are waking up. How do they keep getting re-elected? We keep believing their lies.

Instead of saying a “public option,” let’s call it what it REALLY is – a GOVERNMENT OPTION!

Look; one way or another, the democrats are toast in 2010. They might, maybe, possibly keep a bare majority in the House, and they chances are they’ll keep at least control of the Senate, but they’re going to lose a LOT of seats in the House in 2010, and probably come a lot closer to 50/50 split in the senate. The only question now is how bad they’ll lose.
The party of the president ALWAYS loses seats in ‘off” year elections; and they’ve managed to rile up an awful lot of people with this as it is. Whether health care passes or not, they’re going to remember this. And, a lot of the “new” voters who put the president in the White house simply aren’t going to vote without him at the top of the ticket.

The Democrats are done either way, worse if they pass their health care bill in present form.

It’s a lose-lose for Democrats.
If it passes and Dems take credit, they get no new voters. They dont buy a single vote with this legislation! Not ONE.
The poor already vote democrat and qualify for medicaid or schip. The elderly already qualify for medicare. Illegal immigrants don’t count.
Let’s say it passes and care is rationed or degrades. Republicans claim Democrats broke a decent system for the middle class. Dems lose.
Let’s say it does not pass, Dems lose core supporters because they are in charge with 60 votes.
Who’s going to pay for this program? Rich people – who voted in large number for Democrats in the last two election cycles. Bye-Bye!
It’s a no win scenario.

RE: Alleged Healthcare Reform
Obama = Dumb
Democrat Congress = Dumber
A top Obama ally = Dumbest
As most have pointed out if the alleged Healthcare Reform passes the Democrats will be thrown out. In fact Obama will go the way of Jimmy as well. The remainder of the Democrats will be gone as well as Obama in 2012 once they attempt the “Immigartion Reform” remember the last time Congress tried Immigration Reform? They got the message from the people real quick.

The Democrats’ only hope is if a healthcare bill anywhere near the scope of the present draft fails, the economy rebounds dramatically, the budget deficit is below $1.5 trillion, and next year’s deficit is well below $1 trillion. Even still, Obama will be relected — we are not ready for another republican president, but he will not have anywhere near the support in congress that he has now.

To those who believe the Public Option will not lead to Single-Payer I dare you to refute this scenario….
You’re in business for yourself. You own a restaurant. You find out the government is going to open a restaurant right next door to you. The government says that they’re not trying to run you out of business .. they just want to give you a little competition so that you will improve your product. You find out, though, that while your restaurant will have to operate at a profit to survive, the government restaurant can operate at a loss … for ever. If the government restaurant needs money all it has to do is go out into the community and seize it. If you tried to do that you would be arrested and charged with robbery. You also learn that the government restaurant is going to be able to set all the rules about how you operate: How you cook and serve your food, what kind of menu you will have, the hours you will be open … everything. Those same rules will not necessarily apply to the government restaurant.
Yeah .. that’s some fair competition, isn’t it? Can you tell me how you are possibly going to stay in business? The answer is, you won’t. Sooner or later you close your doors, and if your customers want to eat … they head to the government restaurant.
That’s the story of the “public option” health insurance Obama and the looters want. The goal is to run private insurance out of business. That way, by default, the government becomes the single payer. Absolute government control, the dream of every Democrat politician.

To quote the Queenly Politician from Massachusetts “On what planet do you spend most of your time…” Andy?
Speaking of Queens, Do you remember when Queen Elizabeth refused to listen to the People during Dianna’s death. Likewise is with Obama and his Court…tho not all of them are Queens….LOL.
You got it backwards, pal!
IF OBAMA AND THE LIBERAL DEMS IMPOSE OBAMACARE ON THE CITIZENRY THAT WILL BE THE END OF THEM LIBERALS!
Normal Americans do not like Politicians ruling over them, and the great majority of us do not want SOCIALISM!
PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK…I FOR ONE CAN’T WAIT TO SEE YOU GO BACK FROM WHERE THE MEDIA TOOK YOU!

I am so very upset about voting each year, both locally and nationally, for supposedly conservative candidates yet really having no real choices when it comes to voting for President. I held my nose and voted for the so declared conservative republicans only to, in effect, be voting for the lesser of two lefist. Bush, Bush and McCain were no where near the leaders needed to cut down the size of government and give a working man such as myself the incetive to continue working not the disincentive of supporting socialist programs forced down my throat God please help us who are willing to help ourselves!

What the heck is wrong with the Democrats? We need to stand strong and RAM this healthcare reform through. It really doesn’t MATTER what’s in – we simply can’t let the Republicans shut it down – because we will NEVER get anything done in the next 4/8 years. WHY are we allowing certifiably crazy people to call OBAMA a Nazi? Who’s a Nazi? Bush/Cheney, that’s who. And we had to put up with them taking away our rights for 8 years, starting a war, turning the opinion of the world against us, and NEVER getting our hands on Osama Bin Laden (who, btw, we could have today if we simply froze the assets of the Saudi Royal Family until we had him in our hot little hands…).

Dale-Every conservative should NOT reject their social security and mecicare. They have paid in to it for all these years. It is THEIR MONEY!! If you had asked conservatives if they wanted to pay in to social security and medicare, they would have said NO. They weren’t given a choice! Most conservatives I know would much rather have had that money from the very start to invest in as they saw fit!

Now all the country needs is another Ronald Reagan. Maybe this time with a reasonable mandate as a result of the financial mess made by the left including Republican neo-liberals, some of the nonsense can be gotten rid of – NEA, etc. Can you imagine if some of this mess can privatized? General Motors for example?

Obama ENEMY: Dem Majority Is History EVEN If Health Reform Passes.
Biggoofer, a leading expert at reading tea leaves says.

Greetings All,
I’ve been reading up on the Obamacare issue and one thing stands out to me. Of the 5 versions of the plan I’ve heard and read about, all of them, every single one of them, will require every American to buy insurance or face a “fine”. It would be much more honest to call this what it is, a tax. Each of the considered plans has as it’s cornerstone a tax on every American to pay for the health care needs of other Americans, It’s not a health care plan. It is a tax plan. Pure and simple.
If you want lower taxes, smaller government and more freedom, Vote Libertarian!

JEM…sounds like a plan there are some good people…but I think that sends a powerful message that dems /rep are all americans and we need to be americans first…and if you ignore people in a representative form of government than you run the risk of being out of work…it reminds me of the movie the Terminator where the machines took control of society …thats the government its become a monster

I think that if Obama succeeds in his terrible health care “reform” bill then the democrats will lose in a very big way. Health care should be changed little by little not by devastating the entire system.

He’s right: Democrats who now have a filibuster-proof majority, control both the Senate, the House, and the White House, cannot pass a healthcare reform bill, there will be a bloodbath come November 2010. It will resemble the bloodbath in 1994. Pelosi, Reid, Baucus and Co. better get their ducks in a row and produce. My thinking is that if there is not a resolution by September 15th in the Senate Finance Committee, the White House will seek reconciliation. I’m not a fan of that strategy, but they’re prepared to play hardball if they have to. My prediction is that the public option will end up being a trigger, and that they’ll get agreement out of Committee before the deadline.

From a Democratic perspective it’s preferable to pass something – at this point, almost anything – than to fail. Hence the widespread prediction that some bill called health care reform will come out of the process. This will hurt the GOP in the short run for two reasons: a.) victory, any victory, produces a sense of momentum which they now badly need and b.) they will lard up the front end of whatever bill they get through so that for a few years people will only see the benefits. Britons were initially very fond of their health system for some time after Atlee passed it. Of course, many Britons had little or no health care in 1945 and that is certainly not the case here. So perhaps discontent will come sooner for us. I hate to say it but I think the Dems will keep their majority, perhaps diminished, in 2010 and that Obama will win reelection in 2012. Then he will attempt the real revolution.

Obama is quickly becoming the poster child for Republican fundraising.

“I expect every conservative screeching agsinst “Obama socialism” to reject their social security and Medicare when they retire. Or are you only agaisnt socialism when it doesn’t benefit YOU?”
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Hell, I gave up on both being around when I retire about 10 years ago. I’ve been doing my own “financial planning” since then. You are right, it would be hypocritical to only criticize certain segments of any socialism. Oh, by the way, what kind of financial shape are both SS and Medicare in now?

Obama ran as a moderate and is governing to the far far left. Americans were conned…and will respond accordingly in the 2010 election. One party control is never good….divided gov’t does the least amount of damage.

Andy Stern is dillusional. The scariest thing is that he sounds like he believes what he says. He needs to get out of his ACORN shell more often, and see what’s really going on. The attempt to hijack our country, and scuttle the constitution has finally awakened the masses.
It’s over, Mr. Stern, no matter how much you threaten the wayward sheep in Pelosi’s flock. You will probably lose control of the House in 2010, anyway, but ram through the destruction of personal freedom through the so-called health reform, or pass card check, or pass cap and tax out of the Senate, and you’re going to see a lynching of the Democrat party in 2010 that will be of historical proportions, followed by the unemployment of Jimmah Carter, Jr in 2012.

Talk about being out of touch. Stern has been in way to many union executive board meetings. The majority of his own union doesn’t even support this radical stuff!

I really hope all of this is a wake up call for the Republicans. We need real leaders who are really in touch with the people of this country. The dem’s can’t figure out that OUR COUNTRY, OUR PEOPLE don’t want this answer. It’s not a good answer, it’s not an answer at all. It’s socialism and WE see through it!

Yes the majority is waking up to the GOP lies about this very important issue. What is shameful is that conservatives are willing to throw 50 MILLION US citizens under the Bus for a small political gain. The facts are this: AMERICANS WANT HEALTHCARE REFORM NOW!

Heck of a note. The only way the Republicans can gain control of Congress is if the Democrats mess up badly enough, and they have to really mess up bad.
Are the Democrats running the Republican Party?
Yeah, the Dem’s really messed up with “Health care reform”, and the Stimulas Bill. Socialism only works until the other people run out of money, and the other people were running out of money about the same time this wanna-be Commi-czar got elected.

What exactly does “Stern is prepared to use SEIU resources to pressure recalcitrant Democrats in Congress” mean?
Sounds like this entire government is run like Chicago.

The only reason the conservatives have their panties in a twist about this issue is because they used this issue last time to take back control of congress. Hey cons, this aint 1994! Wake up you just had your but kicked in the last election and now the majority are trying to do what they were elected to do. The Cons out there are not real Americans despite their pathetic claims, they are more than willing to let 50 MILLION of their FELLOW citizens die from lack of medical care than to do what is right and get on board and craft bi-partisan healthcare reform. What a shame. They only oppose this for political reasons.

And ACORN’s power and manipulation of elections MUST be neutralized. We are afterall, NOT a Banana Republic regardless of what the Chicgo thugs want.

This needs repeated:
I think congressional dems are history either way, although they’ll be much worse off if they pass this thing. Most americans will never trust them again after this.

Sevres blue, I agree with you. Sadly, we the people forget too quickly and clueless writing the Democrats off. Show me what the GOP did except haunting the Democrats to vote for a deceptive war in Iraq. Even body bags were concealed from our view, not allowing us to mourn rightfully. War contracts were awarded to party affiliates. Lobbying and corruption sent some into the jail house and notwithstanding the vice-president continuous lobbying the former President and Comrade to pardon Scooter Libby. Let there be honest discussions and not politics of fear. Some of you are still in slumber and not gotten the message of this corruptive system. We are easily colonized to conform, sleep safely while the legislators graze in greed. Wake up and challenge the dogma of old politics and seize your rightful inheritances from your hardworking ancestors who built this United States. Kick the old system of greed that has dominates and sent our banks to fail with mounting economic delinquencies. Some of you do not understand the Change we voted and getting sucked again into the GOP cooked books of haunt, fear and tricks.

Really, what planet is this guy living on. The majority of Americans do not want “Government Run Healthcare”, because this whole thing is not about healthcare it is about losing the very “Freedom” our Founding Father’s died for. With Medicare being broke and Medicaid being broke and Social Security going down the “crapper” why would any sane person want to put this government or any government in charge of our very “Being”.

If the Democrats try to cram socialized medicine down the public after the universal process of throwing up on them in the town hall meetings they will be history as a party not for the next election but for a generation. If they cannot see how absolutely unpalatable and revolting this imposition of ultra-left values is on the population then they deserve the oblivion they go to. Meanwhile the Republicans need to show some spine and fight this tyranny tooth and nail.

It boils down to 2010 and how many seats the Rep’s get. They only need 40 seats to screw up any thing the Dems have plan.Look for them to take 50-70 seats and retake the House.In the Senate side,they will take a 55-45 in Senate with Prince Harry out in Nv, Queen Botox Nancy could lose her seat,if not when the Dems lose the house, she will be kicked out as leader. Obama tried to “Change” things to fast this first year. He should have moved slower with his first major plans, get that voted on, then worked on Health Care in year two. Too many CZARS in the WH. I see that being voted on after 2010. Do we need Czars to run the various offices. I mean don’t we have Head of this or that Dept. So who controls the Czars.. Dems out in 2010.

With a MAJORITY in the House and Senate, the majority leadership thinks the problem is (lack support from)Republicans? What???????????

Prediction: Healthcare will go the way of public schools. You will be taxed whether to use the gov’t system or not. The problems created by just a few will mess it up for the overwhelming majority. Seriously, why are there so many private schools if the public systems are so good.
Those who have the means will go to the doctors of their choice and pay extra. Those who can’t afford private insurance or don’t want to will have to deal with long lines, less services and a huge short fall of medical professionals exacerbating the problem.
There are plenty of sensible solutions that have been proposed by Republicans and thoughtful business leaders, but this is politics pure and simple in its most carnal form. The democrats own the whole thing.

The Demcratic health bill is just INSANE.
How can any logical-thinking person believe that you can add 47 million people to the health care system and not have costs go thru the roof?? How can the existing number of doctors take care of the new huge demand? …wait times will SOAR. Many doctors have pledged to leave the system on top of it. All the metrics of this Dem Health system are wrong.

Dems will lose their majority? Why? Is their base going to vote for Republicans?? What a load…!

“Obama’s health care plan will be written by a committee whose head, John Conyers, says he doesn’t understand it. It’ll be passed by Congress that has not read it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a Treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?” -Rush

It’s hard to believe that the democrats believe that the damage that has been down will go away! Still trying to blame anyone and everyone now that they should know their change is not our country’s change! on top of trying to blame bush or s.palin , look at WSJ.com !that article ex plains to vets more end of life through the VA talk! also that BUSH had it removed and va put it back when OBAMA took office! Read it for yourself VETS!

The Dems keep talking about how health care reform is a “moral imperative”. President Obama even told a group of rabbis yesterday that “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.” So what is the moral code of government run health care in “matters of life and death” when it comes to the Veterans Administration Page 24 of their health care manual instructs the veteran to INITIAL AND DATE the page, then fill out the checklist as follows:
What makes your life worth living?
Instructions This exercise will help you think about and express what really matters to you. For each row, check (✔) one answer to express how you would feel if this factor by itself described you.
Here are the answer choices, note that there is no “ok” choice, only “bad” choices: (what sick b*stard designed this?)
difficult, but acceptable
worth living, but just barely
not worth living
can’t answer now
And now the question:
a. I can no longer walk but get around in a wheelchair.
b. I can no longer get outside—I spend all day at home.
c. I can no longer contribute to my family’s well being.
d. I am in severe pain most of the time.
e. I have severe discomfort most of the time (such as
nausea, diarrhea, or shortness of breath).
f. I rely on a feeding tube to keep me alive.
g. I rely on a kidney dialysis machine to keep me alive.
h. I rely on a breathing machine to keep me alive.
i. I need someone to help take care of me all of time.
j. I can no longer control my bladder.
k. I can no longer control my bowels.
l. I live in a nursing home.
m. I can no longer think clearly-I am confused all the time.
n. I can no longer recognize family/friends
o. I can no longer talk and be understood by others.
p. My situation causes severe emotional burden for my
family (such as feeling worried or stressed all the time).
q. I am a severe financial burden on my family.
r. I cannot seem to “shake the blues.”
s. Other (write in):
Finally, to REALLY push the vet over the edge, here are the instructions at the bottom of the page:
Instructions To help others make sense out of your answers, think about the following questions and be sure to explain your answers to your loved ones and health care providers.
If you checked “worth living, but just barely” for more than one factor, would a combination of these factors make your life “not worth living?” If so, which factors?
If you checked “not worth living,” does this mean that you would rather die than be kept alive?
If you checked “can’t answer now,” what information or people do you need to help you decide?

JSH wrote: “The only reason the conservatives have their panties in a twist about this issue is because they used this issue last time to take back control of congress. Hey cons, this aint 1994! Wake up you just had your but kicked in the last election and now the majority are trying to do what they were elected to do. The Cons out there are not real Americans despite their pathetic claims, they are more than willing to let 50 MILLION of their FELLOW citizens die from lack of medical care than to do what is right and get on board and craft bi-partisan healthcare reform. What a shame. They only oppose this for political reasons.”
Yeah, we KNOW it’s not 1994, anymore. And the libs (like you) were just as cocky and arrogant then, after Clinton’s win, as you are now after OBAMA’s win. You sound just like the Dems then, JSH — your own arrogance is blinding you to what’s happening to the Dems, currently. It’s the exact same cycle, all over again. Which pleases the conservative majority to no end, because it also means that you’ve blinded yourself to the political trouble you’re in. I might point out that it’s not 2008 anymore, either — and Obama is sinking fast. Look who’s talking! Who’s living in the past, here?

Obama has been exposed so many times for misrepresentation of known facts, how can anyone now trust the man to abide by any commitment? As the recent presidential polls verify, the American people are far more perceptive than Obama bargained for. Socialism, of which Obama’s Socialized Health Care is only a small part, has been an abject failure in every Nation where it has been implemented, so why should we be surprised that, in total, Obama style Socialism would be any different. It’s Obama’s intention to destroy the free-enterprise structure that has made America the most prosperous Nation in the history of mankind; and, to replace it with the Socialist structure from his native Kenya. A structure where the elite such as Obama and his clan travel and subsist in luxury, as illustrated by the unbounded extravagance on the taxpayer dime by his wife Michelle, while the masses wallow in the misery of a system that confiscates the products of their labor so as to acheive Obama’s coveted “redistribution of the wealth”. Obama is in fact the “Reparator In Chief”; and, will willingly resort to the thuggery techniques that he employed as a “Community Agitator” in Chicago to achieve his objectives. If left unrestrained, Obama will do irreparable harm to the American economy. Greg Neubeck

Health care does need reform – the practical, moderate kind of reforms recently advocated by Whole Foods CEO John Mackey in the Wall Street Journal.
We do not need a rush-to-judgment, 1000-page, break-the-bank, government-takeover style of “reform” like the legislation trying to make its way through Congress now.
Too much Government involvement is what has caused health care to be so expensive; more Government control is not going to make it better.

He is already using his union’s resources to support this bill. Union thugs.

For those who slept through World History 101…… Here is a condensed version.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BB Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today’s lesson in world history…….

Did we not already fight and win a revolution against this very type of government?

I am a life long democrat and would like to see the current administration pass healthcare reform for this country. With the huge majority that democrats have in congress, it would definitely show a sign of weakness if they allow the repubs prevent them from passing this bill. If the democrats allow this to happen, i will definitely register as an independent for the 2010 elections and vote out as many democrats as possible.

gop=the party of “no”
oh yeah they can give
tax cuts to the rich and
start a war.

Service Employees International Union stopped caring about its members years ago. It only cares about pandering to the democrats for more handouts from the tax payer coffers. Non-union service workers can make the same if not more than their union counter part if they apply themselves.
The SEIU is nothing more than a beaurocratic ponzi scheme that profits off of the backs of the working poor.

you are all nuts. Obama and the dems will stay in power for the next 4, 8 12 years… ACORN and SIEU will see to that.
The Chicago machine is in operation and it will take the power of huge proportions to fight against them in any election we have.
they won in 2008 by lies and fraud and will continue until we can expose them

The TRUTH has come out!!! Atlast!!!SEIU and AARP has been consipiring since 2007 for this socialist government healthcare. As for the rest you seniors who are still members of AARP and do not support governenment healthcare you need to get your name off of their list now!!! Cancel your membership please!

How about this “CHANGE” my liberal comrades? Uncontrollable deficits, spiking unemployment, porkulus, socialist take over of the auto and banking industries, unelected, unaccountable government czars, passing of bill with out the majority of either house, passing of the same bill with out the support of a majority of registered voters, government transparency, bipartisanship. Why don’t you keep your phkn “CHANGE”!!

Andy Stern knows full well that the opposite is true. He is deliberately trying to scare Democrat politicians into voting for this monstrosity.

The silent majority is not waking up, it is wide Awake and has had it’s coffee. I would advise the Democrats in Congress to either give up on both Cap & Trade and the Public (Government) Health care option or look for another line of work. I find it amazing that they call Government control the “Public” option.

It all depends upon if Congress Democrats can put together a well-made bill that will work on paper, and then if the executive branch does a good job of turning the paper into reality and running it well. (I personally think it should include the public option.) If the Democrats can pull this off, it will cement the public’s trust in them for a long time. If they fail, then the public will probably seek out a third part to try for the next election cycle. On the side of Democrats is that other countries have successfully put public, though single-payer, systems into place; working against them is that many, perhaps most, U.S. government programs are failures.

The Democrats already blew it, health care and cap and trade are just the final nails in the coffin. Obama can afford to blow off the East/West Coast Democrats, they are the minority, and he can also afford to blow off the left wing lunatics in his own party, they don’t hold any voter power either. If he would make a serious move to the middle he would get back the independents, the moderate Republicans and he can save his majority and 2012. Will he be smart enough to do that, has he been smart enough to have not seen this coming? No.

This man is not aware of the amount of public anger out there against any type of government intervention with healthcare. The dems will loose control in 2010 for their elitist arrogance alone. If any type of health care bill is signed the dems will be out for decades.

Title II, Subtitle C, Section 246 of the House health care bill (H.R. 3200) stipulates “no federal payment for undocumented aliens.” The Senate bill states that beneficiaries of federal health care programs must be a citizen or national or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States.
But neither bill has a provision for verifying citizenship status, according to these experts.

Democrats have their problems, Republicans have bigger ones (i.e, no leadership)…
I’d rather have no leadership than a corrrupt Chicago politics anti-American type of leadership.

This lady hit the nail on the head:
I am Janet Contreras, a concerned, home-grown American citizen. I am 53, and I have been a registered Democrat all of my adult life. Before the last Presidential election, I registered Republican because I no longer feel the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. I now no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me.
There must be someone, please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me you are there and are willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please do it now.
You might ask yourselves what my views and issues are that I would feel so horribly disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

TexasSlim | Aug 20, 2009 5:54:22 PM…..”Take Heed” is good advice. Chicago politics dictates Obama to regroup and hit from another angle. Reconciliation is what scares me.

I had no idea Obama would crash this soon. President Palin 2012

PalinPower wrote: “I had no idea Obama would crash this soon.”
Are you aware that Sarah Palin’s favorite President, Ronald Reagan, had an average job approval rating of 53% over his two terms? That’s about the same as Obama’s has been this month.
You must have thought it was a real crash AND burn when Reagan fell to 35%!

I urge the President to re-connect to his charging machine at time of 2008 campaign. Do not listen too much to the negativity out there but your bright instinct and vibrant vision of change we the people voted. Do not start trying to re-shape yourself for your 2nd term that is down the road and would again be determined by us, the people. For now follow your message of change and ignore some of your democrats and just do the right thing for the middle class, the poor, the elderly, the
Helpless, the cold, the hungry and the oppressed; the sick in
Body and in mind; the aged and the little children. There is silent majority, who wants healthcare reform, do it for them.

Pawlenty/Mackey reform. I would rather trust a guy that has to work with the opposing party to get something done and a billionaire who knows where of he speaks than a community organizer who only learned how to agitate and spend other peoples money. The constitutional lawyer doesn’t even realize that this bill is so poorly written that it is going to the courts at the first opportunity. The lawyers are already drooling.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | Aug 20, 2009 8:00:45 PM
‘Money is for nothing and the chicks are for free.’ Pretty much sums it up.

These people are crazy. Beam me up Scotty!

99 percent here all say pretty much the same thing, and I agree regardless of this bill passes or not, the next big fight is on immigration so expect a massive fight on that one too. The Democrats days are numbered come 2010 and 2012. But will the American people remember these days come 2014 and beyond?

I wonder if they’ve even bothered to look at the polls? The U.S. has something unique…a constitution…which guarantees the rights of the people. We have choices here. But those in power have begun to think they are all powerful instead of realizing that their power was bestowed upon them by the electorate and it can just as easily be taken away. This country was founded by folks who were running from tyranny. They put a system of checks and balances in place so that future generations would never have to face the same atrocities they had faced. When the people wake up (as they seem to be doing) and realize WE are the government and that those we elect work for us, not us for them…then there will be massive changes in this country. The good thing is…these changes really will be for the common good. Forcing anything down the throats of the American people should only spell disaster for those who make the mistake of trying. Tired of lies, tired of rampant government spending, tired of over taxing of the people, tired of being overlooked, tired of doing without while we watch those who work for us have it all, tired of being called names and being told to turn in our fellow citizens, tired of seeing our leader apologize to the world for our Americanism, tired of bailing corporations out while their executives jet around the world and take home massive benefit packages, (just a few things in a long list)…just plain tired. The dems need to wake up. They are just plain out of touch with ordinary people which make up the majority of Americans.

Democrats can select from the follwing as their 2010 campaign slogan:
1. Na na na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey, goodbye… Na na na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey, goodbye…
2. Bump! bump! bump! Another one bites the dust! Bump! bump! bump! Another one bites the dust!

The Dem’s legislative majority is toast either way. They might as well pass the thing, then let Obama ride the veto pen on a Republican majority.
Frankly, I don’t think Obama would mind a GOP senate at ALL. Democratic President and Republican Majority is the only combination that has actually produced fiscally sound government.
Dems losing seats is a win-win for Obama. He gets to pass legacy-making legislation, then say “no” to every single spending bill for the last two years of his term.

Boy, have rightwingers gone off the rails or what! The whiny, hysterical hatemongering & embrace of faux victimhood is even more feverish than it was circa 1993-94… but sorry, I don’t think you’ll see a repeat of the Newt wave next year. Stern’s right and GOPers know it–that’s why DeMint said what he said before recess. If the GOP kills health-care reform, the D’s lose big in ’10. If they don’t, and the economy keeps improving, D’s probably lose only a handful of House seats (normal for a mid-term with the same party running Congress & the White House) and possibly GAIN seats in the Senate. GOP’s left hoping that health-care in this country stays in its insanely inflationary, royally-screwed-up current mode and that the Bush Great Recession keeps Americans on the fiscal ropes for another 12 months. Beautiful, Party of No! Obama’s a much smarter and more adept pol than Clinton. Public option will go through (which is supported by 77% per SurveyUSA, 57% per Rasmussen) and then it’s see ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.

Kimberly, I see FAR more hatred and vitriolic spew directed at Obama on most Internet sites than I do at those who disagree with him. Why can’t conservatives be more like the NRA guy who asked Obama a question at the town hall the other day? You’ve got a liberal Democratic president more open to exchanges with conservative GOPers than any Democrat who’s ever held that office…and so far they’ve given him NOTHING to work with. His biggest mistake has been to bargain in good faith and to believe there might really be a chance for bipartisanship. Look at Grassley’s comments the other day! He wouldn’t vote for a Democratic-sponsored health-care reform bill even if it had everything in it that Republicans want! Joe Klein’s right, the GOP is the party of nihilism right now. Obama and the Democrats’ approval ratings have indeed come down, but Republican approval ratings continue to be mired at far-worse, rock-bottom levels. That’s because they’re not offering anything right now but ginned-up, hysterical/delusional rage. They’ve got an opportunity but no means of exploiting right now.
Three months is a lifetime in politics. I warned my liberal friends last spring not to get complacent at all about 2010, and I was right. I’m saying now that there’s very little likelihood that the GOP will ride a “wave” next year (pace the Cook Report out tonight) unless they move to the center and tone down the nuttiness. And I sure don’t see that happening right now.

It appears more than strange that over 90% of the comments here on anti-govt. healthcare, while more than 50% of real Americans support Universal Health Care reform and 59% of medical doctors. If you are tired of big government expenses and taxes, then you take a look at the record deficit spending in the padt eight years on the really big ticket items like defense, law enforcement/surveillance, and incarceration of our own citizens (state and federal).
I don’t think America can afford partisan politics anymore.

Nothing but Republicans afloat here. Are you interested in an opposing view? Can you stand an opposing view? What troubles many is the is the audience of gullibles that flock to these n’er-do-well tantrums. Even more troubling is the need for random violence. What is with pistol-packing at rallies? Why is there need to calm down loudmouths at town hall? Can’t we listen and evaluate and then bring our own solutions to the front, without references to Hitler? This all could be blowback from the Bush-Cheney dynasty when nothing from Washington could be believed and there seemed to be a clamp on the public’s ability to express outrage. Now with a more open administration, the people’s rage and indignation seems to be properly venting. Let’s settle down and stop the annoying yelling. We are not facing tyranny–we are facing an administration that honestly wants to do good. Stop the clamor or we will end up worse than we are now.

As long as Americans get Universal Health Coverage, it does not matter the political brinksmanship that Dems and Republicans play on each other.

the insurance companies have been getting away with these high prices for coverage, high ded, dropping coverage where they want, higher out of pocket, higher out of pocket…to the consumer.
and we are tired of it…all the insurance companies in the world, and lobbiests…will not get in the way of
HEALTHCARE REFORM……….BECAUSE, THERE IS NO CHOICE…WE NEED IT NOW BEFORE BOOMERS HIT…AND IF YOU DONT PASS IT YOU WILL PAY TEN FOLD DOWN THE ROAD…AND THATS IN 2 YRS.

The Dems are out of Control, Pelosi and Reid has convinced them they are not elected representatives, but they are Rulers of the people. Seems they bought it. They need to hear us and keep hearing us. Gove take overs are against our Constitution. Throw the Bums out……

I agree with Matt S | Aug 20, 2009 1:35:21 PM “We need a viable third party to emerge.” We need Ross Perot Jr or someone else to run and rebuild the reform party.

Sorry to say, but I think the author only has it half right. The dems will also lose their majority if they pass this ridiculous idea of health care, which is nothing more than a massive take over of one sixth of our economy. So, Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Wow, I think the GOP, if they don’t blow it, is sitting pretty….

Having worked for a major insurance company, we do need a public option. Bottom line, these insurance companies need to be put in check. I’ve seen the horror behind the scene.

Who will be installed to replace the democrats? Surely not the republocans whose little gov and less taxes is to blame for a preponderence of the country’s troubles. Less taxes smaller government after 30yrs = vertually every state in the union being bankrupt along with the country. Third party canidates could be refreshing,but can they rock the vote. Until big business and the federal reserve are contained government will be stagnant. Short of dusting off the declaration of independence as a living and breathing document that supercedes the constitution (which is what our fore fathers intended)we have little recourse!!!

Obama and the fringe Left hate America. With this in mind, why does anyone question the direction this Administration is taking us? Most Americans have awakened to the fact that this President does not have the well being of America at heart and both moderate Democrats and Republicans will eventually defeat this agenda. The one worry for the future besides how much damage this President can do before being booted from office, is will this Administration fix the upcoming 2010 elections, Chicago style?

The majority of americans do want healthcare reform and I believe when the dust settles, President Obama will get his healtcare Reform Bill Passed and most americans(the intelligent ones anyway) will be happy with it. The Democrats have the votes to pass and the Dems will get it passed whether the Republicans like it or not, they are out of power so who cares. As far as the 2010 fall elections, well the republicans kept saying that they were going to win those too and look what happened. I support President Obama’s healthcare plan!

(Canadian posting) It’s very interesting reading the posts here. I can only conclude that a lot of very wealthy people post, becuase only the top 5-10% of Americans actually get great healthcare. The rest, manage with what they are “permitted” by economics and the insurance companies.
I have well-educated (Arts/English/Humanities), white, American, female friends, in their 20s, who have NEVER actually been able to have a regular doctor, and who have only gone to see a doctor 2-3 times in their life. No prevention, no pap-smears, nothing. How is the status quo helping these mainstream Americans?
Finally, your President, is the envy of the World. You should be proud.

The truly illuminating point by Stern was (to paraphrase) – ‘we can’t go back to our members and tell them they’re not getting their entitlement’! In the end,this is not about improving health care, it is about creating a new welfare entitlement by attempting to convince the majority that it is for their own good. It is not!

It should be obvious by now (but apparently is not) that the insurance companies are paying out huge sums of money to convince Americans to go along with the idea that private insurance is working for the majority of Americans. Despite the hype all statistics prove that quality health care is becoming less accessible.
And… no one is factoring in the even bigger costs to teh American economy carried by American Corporations who have to manage health care for their employees where their European competitors do not have that burden. No one has factored in the huge secondary costs added on to every liability policy including home owners insurance, auto insurance, business insurance, etc., that includes personal injury insurance. This is very big bucks. If there was universal high quality coverage all those costs would disappear and so would the majority of ambulance chasers and personal injury suits (disability excluded) involving hospital/medical costs. Let’s get rid of this burden now. Italy, France, Japan, the UK, Norway — the entire industrial world except the US) already has. The only difference is that we have an unprecedented 11 trillion dollar debt.
Yes, we need a third party, fourth party, many parties! The two party system has been an easy target and has become corrupt.

This guy has it reversed. If the Democrats pass the Govt health care bill they will definitely lose in 2010, 2012 and beyond because America is capitalist not socialist.
If the Democrats dont pass the Govt health care then they will probably lose anyways because of their own competence. The Obama regime and the Democrats are a sinking ship.
The only hope of saving the party is for the “Bluedogs” to break from party ranks and form a new core in the moderate wing of the party and block the health care bill if not they will go down with the rest of their party.
The “Bluedogs” can hang onto their seats by blocking the Govt health care bill and thereby survive politically while allowing a split in the Democrat party itself.
The split is necessary since the left-wing of the Democrat party is run by incompetent ideological fanatics (Reid, Pelosi, etc) who do not have the best interest of the American people in mind.
Obama’s campaign was about “change” and tthe real change will start in 2010 when the Democrats are out of office.

The solution is very simple. Blame the enemy! Democrats and liberals. It’s a no brainer!

FDR had his New Deal for Americans and now Obama has his version for Americans : The Raw Deal

I am one that worked hard to get a dem elected. I didnt vote for another republican administration which is who obama is pandering too..He promptly kicked dems to the curb and installed republicans and blue dogs that vote as republicans..Stearn is right.. Dems will lose their majority, if they dont give the middle class and poor some relief thru health care.Obama deserted us we didnt desert him..but we will if we cant tell the difference between a republican administration and dem. administration.Obama should change parties he is not a dem. he is a republican

It’s funny to read the comments of the Republicans trying to convince themselves that the country is against Obama and is the verge of going Republican. What, didn’t he just win in a landslide 9 months ago!? I used to be in the GOP, but after the train wreck of GWB, I’ll never vote Republican again. And I’m going to be voting for a long time! The GOP has to own to its failing and move forward. Their current white/christian only strategy is only working in the deep south. And that place is changing due to immigration. It’s only a matter of time before Texas goes blue. Once it does, bye bye GOP. Just sayin’!! :-)

America is 37 th in health care. All industrilized countries give their citizens some form of health care but us and we are beholden to pay for play politicians who take from the poor and give to the rich..We will have honesty and integrity back in our politicans..We care about their families health care , why dont they care about ours..As long as we pay all the bills we are going to get some benefits……..Bet the same kind of people who are objecting about this, did so with medicare and social security too..

Falcon,
I’d go further. I think it’s both a diversion and a set up for the dems to fail by blaming them for the untenable deficit of trade, budget deficits, national debt, ongoing wars, deteriorating infrastructure, police state (read totalitarian state), the failing US dollar, unemployment, financial crisis, bank failures, insurance company bailouts, and everything else the house, senate, and president set in motion from 2000-2008.
Obama because of his ambition walked into this mess and wrongfully thought that he could placate the right by being a “Reagan democrat ha ha.
So the dems have set themselves up for the rancor that is sure to follow. Any president following GW was set up to fail, but failing big time with a dem congress and president (and fail it will) will be a sure big victory in 2012 (house, senate, and president) for the right wing repubs, that is if we survive as a nation the next 3 years.
In that light the “Health Care” debate is another diversion to take the spotlight off the above — the mass swindle that has occurred the past 25 years or so and the collapse of the American dollar, industry, economy, and infrastructure.
Americans “could” turn this around if they would stop fighting among themselves and realize that they are being manipulated (by both dems and repubs). Maybe this is the lesson? Will the blame game stop? Only when people no longer get suckered into it.
Almost 12% unemployment here in California. State and cities are strapped. Highways and bridges are falling apart. blah blah… Remember it is the people who elect the clowns into office! If in a democracy if we do not take responsibility and act intelligently, then we have no one else to blame, but ourselves. Our children deserve a better chance! Let’s do it!

Pass ObamaCare.
Lose Congress.
Why?
Because you tried to ram it down America’s throat.
The people are on to you.
And because you arrogant fascists tried it, you’ll lose Congress even if you don’t get it passed.
That’s the best thing about Democrats. They can’t help being what they are:
Fascists.
They never learn.
And America has never put up with their kind for long.

I don’t think the Democrats care one bit what the American public wants. They want a more socialistic society, and a redistribution of wealth. What better way to usher it in than with this alleged ‘health care reform?’

Unions control Congress? This Union offical thinks They DO.
“”I think we’re talking losing control of Congress,” said Andy Stern, the president of the Service Employees International Union.”
It AMAZES me that people can say these things out loud and AMERICANs think nothing of it.
In one ear and out the other.
Speaking of ‘in one: out the other’…
I was doing some math this morning, if my numbers are correct, it would take every man woman and child in the USA [aprox 300 million people] to pony-up $6,666.66 to pay a tab of 2 Trillion Dollars.
“OMG” says I, “This can’t be real… can it?”
say it aint so!

The SEIU-backed ACORN thugs at our Dem caucuses in NV and across the country harassed, roughed-up, and insulted (“Raaaacists!”)Dems who did not vote for their demigod Obama. Furthermore, they broke caucus rules galore, “misplaced” (i.e., flushed and threw away) all non-Obama votes, and CHEATED in every way imaginable. Payback is going to be a #####. Add to this that ANTIdemocratic RBC meeting and sham of a convention, and you can bet your butt the Dems will be auf wiedersehen. Our party’s been coopted by fascists. Indy all the way from here on in! (And the simpering, sycophantic msm will pay as well!)

this l.3 trillion dollar train wreck will amount to almost $5,000 dollars per man, woman, child, per year. anyone who votes for it should be voted out of office and probably jailed or put away in a mental institution.
dennisintn

Let us hope that the momentum of people fed up with “tax and spend”, which has reached a new all-time high with this administration continues and people do not have their typical “short memories” this time next year!

Then it looks like the GOP majority in Congress is toast.
Because, if the Democrats force ObamaCare on this nation, that is solidly against it, the Democrats will also lose their majority in the House.
It is curious that this article quotes Andy Sterm, the head of the SEIU, because the SEIU and General Electric would be the only winners if ObamaCare passes. Senior citizens and every person in this country who currently has health care insurance would be the losers.