Obama is pro-bike helmets, but does not wear one for family ride
ABC News’ Karen Travers and Yunji de Nies report:
President Obama took a bike ride with his family today in Aquinnah, on Martha’s Vineyard. The First Family cruised along Lobsterville Beach on a gorgeous sunny day but there was one glaring omission in an otherwise picture perfect tableau – the president was not wearing a bike helmet.
White House spokesman Bill Burton said he did not know why the president was not wearing a helmet because he generally does.
“He supports the wearing of bicycle helmets,” Burton said.
-Karen Travers and Yunji de Nies
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Note the pattern:
Obama is pro-public education–to the point of taking away school choice from poor DC children as a payoff the teachers’ unions.
But his own children attend private school.
If public school was good enough for Amy Carter, then it’s good enough for the Obama girls.
Posted by: Education Czar | August 27, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
How long until the federal bicycle helmet mandate comes down from on high? 5 … 4 … 3 … 2 … 1
Posted by: Peter | August 27, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
and this is news?
Posted by: mm | August 27, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
For the love of God, WHO CARES???
Posted by: Anja | August 27, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Well if you define ‘news’ as ‘something that happened’ then yes this is news. If you define news as ‘something of importance that happened’ then no it isn’t. Then again if you choose to comment on it that sort of MAKES it news.
Posted by: Jack Burton | August 27, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Mr. President…wear a helmet.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
As usual do what I say not what I do Obama. Whats good enough for him doesnt matter for the rest of us. ABC news will not air a commericial that is critical of Obamas Healthcare Plan. Wether you are RIGHT or LEFT you can’t beleive that this is not wrong. We have the right to hear both sides. They aired the AARP commericial. This is a sad day. I truly feel bad for this country.
Posted by: karen | August 27, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
“ABC news will not air a commericial that is critical of Obamas Healthcare Plan. Wether you are RIGHT or LEFT you can’t beleive that this is not wrong.”
ROFLMAO!
Right wingers are upset their propaganda does not get aired.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
This is what I would hate about being President. It used to be perfectly acceptable for an adult to just go on an easy bike ride without the ugly helmet. Many many people still do it.
And then all the sudden, you have this awful option. Ride the bike and wear the helmet and look ridiculous, or make the statement on safety you are supposed to make.
Ug.
Posted by: MayBee | August 27, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Obama is also a big supporter of The Second Amendment to The Constitution. He said so. And he is also in favor of Chicago’s ban on guns. He supported the Washington, D.C. ban on guns. But he also supported the Supreme Court’s decision (Heller) which overturned the D.C. gun ban. Unlike John Kerry, he has no need to “Be For It – Before He Is Against It.” No. Obama can do both simultaneously. He loves both sides of every issue. The left – in and out of the Justice Department – want to jail our front line CIA guys in a time of war. But the White House wants “to look forward, not back.” Appease the fringe and pretend that you have no control over it while pretending to be “centrist.” The usual.
Posted by: Crusher | August 27, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Come on Jake you have better things to report on surely.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 27, 2009, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Ooops sorry Jake it wasn’t you. My bad.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 27, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
karen “ABC news will not air a commericial that is critical of Obamas Healthcare Plan. Wether you are RIGHT or LEFT you can’t beleive that this is not wrong. ”
They don’t want to air an ad that tells lies? What a shocking display of traditional journalist ethics.
And for anyone at home who wants to gauge karen’s credibility for future, have you seen any ads that raise concerns about health care? The ads from the US Chamber of Commerce, or 60 Plus Association? Media has no problem with ads that spin, they are just refusing some of the ones that LIE.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 27, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
In the state one only has to be 16 and under to wear a helmet.
But for the next 3+ years of Obama I suggest everyone hold on to their wallets tight.
Posted by: windy | August 27, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Slow day, huh Jake?
Posted by: Gerald | August 27, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
How dare you point to the King!!
He doesn’t have to follow the laws set for commoners. Just like the Lords and Ladies(?) of House and Senate. They are all immune to the Laws of the Land.
Just for that……your taxes will increase to pay for Nobama Care. You unwashed serf!!
Posted by: American Infidel | August 27, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Posted by: windturbine on cape cod | Aug 27, 2009 5:08:40 PM
Although I agree with you……this article is about him wearing a bike helmet is it not? You want that blog down the hall.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 27, 2009, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Flashback: NY Times Columnist – ‘Public Option’ Will Kill Private Insurance..Paul Krugman
Posted by: windturbine on cape cod | August 27, 2009, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Not that it should be a major news item, but it’s typical. The Obamas always seems to be willing to tell other people how to live their lives while not applying those standards to themselves. Criticize company CEOs for their travel costs while flying Air Force One to New York for dinner with his wife. Tell companies to cut back on conferences while vacationing in one of the most expensive areas of the Northeast. Telling people to work in lower paid public service jobs while accepting a huge salary for a made-up job with a hospital. Talking about the importance of public schools, but putting their kids in a private school. Now, telling everyone to wear bicycle helmets while he’s riding without one. Can’t we all see that the emperor has no clothes…
Posted by: bkm | August 27, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
“Posted by: windturbine on cape cod | Aug 27, 2009 5:08:40 PM”
ROFLMAO!
One day after screaming that illegal immigrants will be able to get benefits because there is not citizenship verification, right wingers scream about the government verifying if one qualifies for insurance subsidies.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Flashback: NY Times Columnist – ‘Public Option’ Will Kill Private Insurance..Paul Krugman
windturbine on cape cod | Aug 27, 2009 5:15:30 PM
Krugman believes that the public option will be cheaper, give better care, and just be so much more efficient and higher quality than private insurance that it will beat out private insurance in the market honestly (ie, be self supporting without government funding or advantages). If that is true, we should all hope it wins.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 27, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
“Krugman believes that the public option will be cheaper, give better care, and just be so much more efficient and higher quality than private insurance that it will beat out private insurance in the market honestly”
Right wingers know that.
Which is why they fight so fiercely to save insurance company profits.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
If you recall the very same people now jumping on his case about not wearing the helmet were the same folks who called him Nerdy when he was photographed during the campaign riding bikes on Lake Michigan in Chicago wearing a helmet.
Posted by: Caroline | August 27, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Looks like he’s wearing a helmet to me!
Posted by: American Infidel | August 27, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“If you recall the very same people now jumping on his case about not wearing the helmet were the same folks who called him Nerdy when he was photographed during the campaign riding bikes on Lake Michigan in Chicago wearing a helmet.”
Hey be fair!
Right wingers can barely remember the lies they told yesterday versus last year.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
“The Republicans, at least until recent decades, usually let you have your money, your life, and your business”
Until recent DECADES?
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Ryan C | August 27, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Ed, are you sure you want to say “Democrats like to dictate, and control, everything you do, own, or run- aside from sexual deviance.” Republicans seem to want to control who gets married and what a woman does regarding birth control and abortion… among a plethora of other things. Well, I’m not worried; the Republican party will soon die. I mean, come on, most of them still believe that trickle down economics work!
Posted by: bcmg77 | August 27, 2009, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
You don’t need a helmet for a low-velocity bike ride on flat terrain. Use common sense people, and relax.
Posted by: dccyclistguy | August 27, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
there is nothing wrong with agreeing that it’s good to wear a helmet even if you don’t personally do it. everyone knows it’s safe to wear a helmet every hour of the day but it’s your decision. this is totally ridiculous news and pathetic commentary by my fellow citizens.
Posted by: garret | August 27, 2009, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Would Jesus wear a bicycle helmet?
Posted by: Wilma J. | August 27, 2009, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
I believe he is anti-smoking too.
“Do as I say, …”
Posted by: Bob O. | August 27, 2009, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
And believe as I say, “Mission Accomplished”. Wait that was not Obama.
Posted by: En Tropy | August 27, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
I don’t know about Martha’s Vineyard, but where I’m from the law does not mandate *adults* wear bike helmets – only children under a certain age. But we’ll ignore that so we can bash the President, right?
After all, we have to make up for not going after Bush for all the *actual* laws he was breaking, day after day, year after year. What an oversight…can’t let it happen again!
Sic ‘em, helmet police!
Posted by: EmmeM | August 27, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“You don’t need a helmet for a low-velocity bike ride on flat terrain. Use common sense people, and relax.”
I live near a rail trail and a young woman died in a low-velocity flat terrain accident there last year. Obama may not care about risking his own neck, but he’s setting a bad example for his daughters.
Posted by: Dee2008 | August 27, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Politics is all about BS. Mr. Obama keeps saying Washington is evil and this and that. But it is Ted Kennedy and Biden who occupies Washington all of Mr. Obama’s adult life. Now that Mr. Kennedy is gone, Mr. Obama will make a speech of how Mr. Kennedy has changed Washington. I was touched by Mr. Biden’s tears about his loss son. But now he shows the same emotions towards Mr. Kennedy. It’s all about BS.
Posted by: young_voter | August 27, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Far from the first time this man has demonstrated that his hypocrisy knows no bounds?
Posted by: Cliff | August 27, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Hey…If Obama wants to ride without a helmet…LET HIM
Posted by: Parallex View | August 27, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
So what if Obama does not wear a helmet. Reasons:
1. Adults do not fall, its only the kiddies that do.
2. Damage to kid’s brain by a fall is a concern; but there is no consequence for an adult; their brains are already screwed up.
Peace. RIP Teddy
Posted by: Baiter | August 27, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
I’m sure he also would say people should pay their parking tickets….
Posted by: mjishernameo | August 27, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
I think the President has been an example of how ordinary people just live. Get over it (yourselves)
Posted by: tychisum | August 27, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
AT LEAST OBAMA IS CONSISTENT. HE IS FIXED ON NATIONAL HEALTH CARE, BUT REFUSES TO QUIT SMOKING. GO FIGURE!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 27, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Obama was wearing his helmet when he was running for President. Now that he got elected, he took the helmet off. When the reelection season begins, he will put the helmet back on again.
Posted by: Politicoli | August 27, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I opened this story solely to point out that this trivial tattle tale garbage is the reason I ignore ABC.
Posted by: Butch | August 27, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
ANYONE SEEN THE RASMUSSEN PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS? SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 27, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
“ANYONE SEEN THE RASMUSSEN PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS? SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!”
Yes, I have seen it. His job approval rating went up a point today.
50% approve
49% disapprove
Posted by: Numeros | August 27, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
NUMEROS – WRONG. RASMUSSEN STATES TODAY THAT AMONG LIKELY VOTERS, 39 PERCENT STRONGLY “DISAPPROVE OF OBAMA, WHERE 31 PERCENT STRONGLY “APPROVE.” SAYS A LOT FOR OBAMA ONLY BEING IN OFFICE FOR SEVEN MONTHS.
Posted by: Manitu | August 27, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
the helmet would look nice with his mom jeans…
Posted by: mjishernameo | August 27, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
NUMEROS – WRONG. RASMUSSEN STATES TODAY THAT AMONG LIKELY VOTERS, 39 PERCENT STRONGLY “DISAPPROVE OF OBAMA, WHERE 31 PERCENT STRONGLY “APPROVE.” SAYS A LOT FOR OBAMA ONLY BEING IN OFFICE FOR SEVEN MONTHS.
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 27, 2009 7:23:54 PM
***
Manitu, do you read beyond the first sentence or two?
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 31% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove…
. . .Overall, 50% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) now disapprove.
Thirty-four percent (34%) believe the country is heading in the right direction. That number has remained steady for weeks.
…It is important to remember that the Rasmussen Reports job approval ratings are based upon a sample of likely voters. Some other firms base their approval ratings on samples of all adults. President Obama’s numbers are always several points higher in a poll of adults rather than likely voters. That’s because some of the President’s most enthusiastic supporters, such as young adults, are less likely to turn out to vote. Other factors are also important to consider when comparing Job Approval ratings from different polling firms. “
Posted by: Alyson | August 27, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
He smokes. What intelligent adult in this day and age smokes?Failure to wear a helmet is just a dumb practice.Even worse, he is supposed to be a role model- doesn’t he understand how bad this looks to parents with kids who bike?Maybe he just doesn’t get it.Maybe he needs to see a brain-damaged kid to realize how important head protection is.I think that this is a big deal-not political,but a real public health goof.
Posted by: Nephron | August 27, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Just because you shout “WRONG” doesn’t make me wrong, Manitu. As I said, Obama’s job approval rating went up a point today to 50%. The following proof is copied straight from Rasmussen’s web site.
08/27/2009:
31% Strongly Approve
39% Strongly Disapprove
50% Total Approve
49% Total Disapprove
08/26/2009:
31% Strongly Approve
39% Strongly Disapprove
49% Total Approve
50% Total Disapprove
Posted by: Numeros | August 27, 2009, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Psh. If he fell, a Secret Service agent would throw himself under Obama to cushion the fall.
And it’s fairly consistent that the government nannies make “guidelines” and rules for others and don’t follow them themselves. That’s what power is all about, folks.
Posted by: Eyes Open | August 27, 2009, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
While we’re at it, the helmet on the girl on the right is up too high and kinda crooked.
Posted by: safety check | August 27, 2009, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
This is outrageous for all mothers of the world, rich or poor, black or white. We thought Obama is better than this.
Posted by: responsible mother | August 27, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
this is ridiculous.
That the article exists, and that you all show any interest whatsoever in this absolutely meaningless discussion.
Worthy of ridicule.
Posted by: Ross | August 27, 2009, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
“He smokes. What intelligent adult in this day and age smokes?”
How about the 5% or so of U.S. physicians who smoke? They were at least intelligent enough to make it through medical school. Not to mention that in China, more than half of male doctors smoke.
Posted by: Jess Sayen | August 27, 2009, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Obama is a person just like everyone else, yes he is the president, but why should we hold him to a higher human standard than we ourselves hold? Almost every person I see riding their bikes is riding without a helmet, and go figure…they are AMERICANS just like Obmama is, and the whole smoking health care thing…just drop it, he is a person with a bad habit, so what, doesnt mean he cant try to provide better health to OTHERS. I personally dont agree with almost everything Obama thinks up, but he is still a human being and should be treated as such.
Posted by: Seanbeezies | August 27, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Do as he says, not what he does.
Posted by: Sigmonde | August 27, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Categorized | 1-Featured, Cable News Ratings
Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009
Posted on 27 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it’s pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O’Reilly (888K to 876K). I don’t watch or really even care about the cable news wars, but still…wow. Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 26, 2009
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,374,000 viewers
CNN – 711,000 viewers
MSNBC –506,000 viewers
CNBC – 217,000 viewers
HLN – 300,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,667,000viewers
CNN— 1,187,000 viewers
MSNBC –984,000 viewers
CNBC – 241,000 viewers
HLN – 606,000viewers
25-54 Total Day
FNC –395,000 viewers
CNN –204,000 viewers
MSNBC –161,000 viewers
CNBC – 72,000 viewers
HLN- 139,000 viewers
25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 736,000 viewers
CNN – 321,000 viewers
MSNBC –318,000 viewers
CNBC – 113,000 viewers
HLN – 204,000 viewers
35-64 Total Day
FNC – 650,000 viewers
CNN – 329,000 viewers
MSNBC – 257,000 viewers
CNBC – 105,000 viewers
HLN – 176,000 viewers
35-64 Prime Time
FNC –1,205,000 viewers
CNN – 516,000 viewers
MSNBC –488,000 viewers
CNBC –124,000 viewers
HLN –298,000 viewers
Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FOX & Friends- 989,000 viewers (390,000) (652,000)
American Morning- 460,000 viewers (210,000) (309,000)
Morning Joe-465,000 viewers (201,000) (285,000)
Squawk Box- 157,000 viewers (55,000) (86,000)
Morning Express w/ Meade- 228,000 viewers (181,000) (212,000)
5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)
6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Bret Baier– 2,067,000 viewers (463,000) (881,000)
Situation Room—739,000 viewers (155,000) (317,000)
Ed Show—541,000 viewers (211,000) (262,000)
Mad Money—186,000 viewers (73,000) (114,000)
Prime News — 259,000 viewers (94,000) (139,000)
7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Fox Report w/Shep Smith–1,590,000 viewers (454,000) (729,000)
Teddy: In His Own Words—1,104,000 viewers (293,000) (547,000)
Hardball w Chris Matthews—778,000 viewers (265,000) (380,000)
Kudlow Report —a scratch w/112,000 viewers (a scratch w/42,000) (54,000)
Issues– 403,000 viewers (124,000) (217,000)
8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 3,303,000 viewers (876,000) (1,468,000)
Teddy: In His Own Words- 1,104,000 viewers (293,000) (547,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,091,000 viewers (320,000) (504,000)
Secrets of the Knight – 181,000 viewers (68,000) (95,000)
Nancy Grace – 757,000 viewers (239,000) (315,000)
9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity –2,592,000 viewers (752,000) (1,158,000)
Larry King Live—1,182,000 viewers (299,000) (473,000)
Hardball w Chris Matthews—1123,000 viewers (381,000) (583,000)
American Greed – 242,000 viewers (108,000) (124,000)
Issues- 567,000 viewers (191,000) (311,000)
10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren—2,104,000 viewers (577,000) (985,000)
Anderson Cooper 360—1,137,000 viewers (332,000) (470,000)
Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann— 737,000 viewers (253,000) (378,000)
American Greed — 301,000 viewers (163,000) (153,000)
Nancy Grace –518,000 viewers (194,000) (278,000)
11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor —1,651,000 viewers (514,000) (822,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 —615,000 viewers (228,000) (299,000)
Headliners and Legends—658,000 viewers (235,000) (359,000)
Mad Money – a scratch w/101,000 viewers (66,000) (53,000
poor Barry poor msnbc poor cnn…tune in to Beck and see the commies surrounding obamie LMFAO
Posted by: windturbines on cape cod..finally | August 27, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
“Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo”
But for the fact that this guy is being paid millions of dollars to rant and rave on TV and radio, he would have been taken away by men in white coats and locked up by now. Just read what Beck said a few days ago and tell me he shouldn’t be on antipsychotic medications:
“We’re doing ‘free speech on the ropes’ and I will show you how they are going to dismantle this, and shut you up, and shut me up, and shut all of us up. And unless people understand what’s being done, unless people understand what’s being built, and I’m not even sure what’s being built, I just know that something is being built, and the czars are part of it. And there is quite honestly, I believe there is evil at play.”
“Unless you know, unless you’re questioning, unless you come to these town hall meetings armed with something, you’re too easily dismissed, and I will tell you this, as the light grows lighter, so do the shadows. By arming you every day, by arming you, not with guns, but with facts, and you walking into these places armed with facts, the biggest stick you can carry. The opposition on me is growing stronger and stronger which means one thing, they don’t – you dismiss idiots, you just – let the idiot – he’ll burn himself out, you have to destroy people who are on to you. I’m on to ‘em, and it’s driving ‘em crazy, and they’re doing everything they can to put a stop to it. What they don’t understand is I’ve got you. You may not save my life, but you will be responsible in saving the republic.”
Posted by: WWW | August 27, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
FNC kills the hard left cable shows.
Beck is not everyone’s cup of tea,
yet more viewers sit down with him than
any other tea pourers out there. You
can mock him, but he beats the pants
off of the hysterical “progressive”
whiners on MSNBC, CNN etc.
You nutroots must be in shock that
the public rejects your partisan blather. It’s not doing well in “Peoria.”
Soft fascism is going nowhere in this
great country. Obama descended from
above at the wrong time, with the
wrong message.
Posted by: Trajan | August 27, 2009, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
I don’t care how many doctors smoke-it is a filthy habit and kills people(my mother included).
Posted by: Nephron | August 27, 2009, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
“Beck would have been taken away by men in white coats.” Ahh..and the bots play the smear card again. That’s it. If the truth hurts you attack the messenger over and over…It may have worked you know, had so many people not know Obama is a liar and were not able and have been looking up what Beck says only to find Beck absolutely correct.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | August 27, 2009, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
‘Yes, I have seen it. His job approval rating went up a point today.
50% approve
49% disapprove”
You think a single day bounce is a trend? Do you know anything about margin of error, sampling and statistical significance? Maybe if Mr. Obama’s numbers climbed a few points and hung there for few days, but your insinuation is absurd.
Posted by: BH | August 27, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Are we ready to file for Impeachment of Obama and Congress yet? I’d liked them impeached and then jailed at Gitmo.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | August 27, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Did Karen Traver’s recently transfer from the National Enquirer? Seriously, these puff pieces are completely vapid and useless. No fan of President Obama, here, but tattling on the President because he doesn’t wear a helmet? LOL.
Posted by: BH | August 27, 2009, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Obama an ordinary guy who hung out with radicals like Frank Marshall Davis and William Ayers his whole life.
Had Ayers write Dreams of My father.
Posted by: Colonel Rebel | August 28, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
“I don’t care how many doctors smoke-it is a filthy habit and kills people(my mother included).” Posted by: Nephron
Yes, it is a filthy habit and yes, it kills people. I’m sorry about your mother but it was you who implied that only unintelligent people still smoke. I disagree, and I provided examples of smokers who are otherwise likely to be intelligent people.
Posted by: Jess Sayen | August 28, 2009, 12:41 am 12:41 am
The party of “conservatism” (i.e., “conserving”) basically DOUBLED the national debt from $5 TRILLION to $10 TRILLION in 8 years, even when they had a straight flush federal government (Republican White House and Congress) from January 2001 to December 2007 …
……………………. and yet, all the right-whiners on this board can whine about is how President Obama does not wear a bicycle helmut ………. LOL.
Absolutely pathetic!
Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | August 28, 2009, 12:46 am 12:46 am
The deficit in Mr. Obama’s first-year budget is larger than the total of either of Mr. Bush’s two four-year terms. It is about four time as largess any deficit in American history.
And the left-wingers complain about Bush’s deficits? And then they wonder why they are suffering a humiliating defeat in the health care debate?
Fish, meet barrel.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am
“You think a single day bounce is a trend? Do you know anything about margin of error, sampling and statistical significance?”
BH, you should direct those questions to Manitu. It was Manitu who screamed, “ANYONE SEEN THE RASMUSSEN PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS? SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!” I merely pointed out the one point rise in Obama’s approval rating. That, along with the one point drop in his disapproval rating, was the only change in the Rasmussen tracking poll over the last couple of days.
“Maybe if Mr. Obama’s numbers climbed a few points and hung there for few days, but your insinuation is absurd.”
Now I have a couple of questions for you, BH. What insinuation are you reading into my reply to Manitu? Are you among the ranks of “deathers” who have the ability to read “death panels” into advance care planning consultations?
Posted by: Numeros | August 28, 2009, 1:33 am 1:33 am
” Just because a country elects a smart president doesn’t make it a smart country.” —Bill Maher
Bill Maher’s evidence?
–”On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did.”
–”polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. 24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War.
–”More than two-thirds of Americans don’t know what’s in Roe v. Wade.”
–”Two-thirds don’t know what the Food and Drug Administration does.”
–”a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth.
– A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words “Bush” and “knowledge.”"
–”don’t even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream.”
–”only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity”
So that provides a little context for windturbine’s post:
“Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night… I don’t watch or really even care about the cable news wars, but still…wow. Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.”
So, uh,after calling Barack Obama a “racist,” who has a “deep seated hatred of white people,” advertisers have been dropping him. The total is now up to 36 companies who’d rather not know or support him. I applaud them. And his response?
“Well, I’m a recovering alcoholic. . . I have told my audience for years, after I sobered up , I admitted I was a DIRT BAG… Man, I was a DIRT bag! I have tried (choking back crocodile tears) my hardest not to be a dirt bag any more… People make mistakes, but you know what? They can take my job. They can take my wealth. That’s OK. Because I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. . . I know that even if the powers to be [sic] right now succeed in making me poor, drum me out…. I’m just a worthless LOSER. . .”
Say what? I can’t help but wonder if at least some viewers aren’t into the grand eccentric spectacle.
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 3:46 am 3:46 am
PotatoeGater22 wrote: “’Beck would have been taken away by men in white coats.’ Ahh..and the bots play the smear card again.”
No, I was being dead serious. If some guy off the street were to deliver the same rambling, paranoid monologue that I quoted, he would, at the very least, be recommended for psychiatric evaluation.
PotatoeGater22 also wrote: “If the truth hurts you attack the messenger over and over…It may have worked you know, had so many people not know Obama is a liar and were not able and have been looking up what Beck says only to find Beck absolutely correct.”
Um, which of Beck’s personalities was telling the truth here?
•Beck A: “This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people…”
•Beck B (90 seconds later): “I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people…”
And here?
•Beck A: “What does it mean for the rest of the world if we lose our position as the innovator, as having the best health care in the world?”
•Beck B: “We seem to be… a society or a system now in health care that is just trying to shove the patients out that door as fast as they can. Is that any way to run a system?”
Posted by: WWW | August 28, 2009, 5:47 am 5:47 am
A truly hard hitting news story. We need more journalism like this.
Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | August 28, 2009, 7:19 am 7:19 am
Jess Sayen, go to a mall and look at the smokers-your average smoker these days is not an Einstein.I don’t question your source, but I know literally hundreds of doctors and frankly I don’t know of one who smokes.How many well-educated professionals do you know who smoke?It says a lot to me that you look for a reason to excuse Mr. Obama’s habit- because he doesn’t have one.
Posted by: Nephron | August 28, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am
We all know why he didn’t wear a helmet.
After the grief he got for wearing “Mom jeans,” his ego couldn’t stand another round of “look how geeky the president is…”
Remember, he got elected because he was annointed by the press and Hollywood for having the “cool factor.”
Posted by: Sparky | August 28, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am
“ANYONE SEEN THE RASMUSSEN PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS? SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!” I merely pointed out the one point rise in Obama’s approval rating. That, along with the one point drop in his disapproval rating, was the only change in the Rasmussen tracking poll over the last couple of days.”
I have no desire to crawl into the head of any poster here. However, the impression that you left was that a one point rise was meaningful in some way. That said, the Rass. poll, though relatively unchanged for weeks, does speak volumes as the Gallups and Pews of the world move sharply in Scott’s poll’s direction – a poll that has consistently had Obama’s approval around 48-50% for weeks. So let me give you a reality to gnaw on: If Rass. has had it right all along then the President’s agenda is dead. As a President simply cannot continue to wield a bully pulpit with an approval rating under 50%.
Posted by: BH | August 28, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
PotatoeGater22 – Are we ready to file for Impeachment of Obama and Congress yet? I’d liked them impeached and then jailed at Gitmo.—— And what has President Obama done to be impeached? Won the popular vote? That would be called democratically elected! Any moves to take him from office without cause would be treason! You have no cause! You right wing terrorists and American Talibaners really need to get a grip! The only people not respecting the Constitution are you!
Posted by: Try the truth | August 28, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Obama says: It’s all Bush’s fault. No, really. Remember that big SCANDAL, Bush didn’t wear a seat belt when he was riding a truck on his ranch. Now if Bush had set a good example, we wouldn’t have all these people with preventable vehicle injuries in the emergency rooms. That’s why your health care costs so much. This is a teachable moment for me. I’ll wear a helment next time. It’s not my fault.
Posted by: Susan F. | August 28, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
BH | Aug 28, 2009 9:35:27 AM As a President simply cannot continue to wield a bully pulpit with an approval rating under 50%.——- Well it’s not. That is one poll that his actually rating is 50%. As it is with Gallup. NBC & Pew have him at 51% and ABC/Wash Post have him at 57%. To come up with these “ratings” they only interviewed 6863 respondents total! Great sampling! Not! Also the approvals only reflect those that say he’s doing an excellent job, not those that say great or good. Your in my area of knowledge now, market research.
Posted by: Try the truth | August 28, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Susan F. | Aug 28, 2009 9:41:39 AM — Get a grip girl! Do you actually believe nothing happened with unemployment, bank failures, 2 wars (one of choice) the housing collapse et al. until 7 mo. ago? The mess was Bushes fault, and with or without your whiny Republican help President Obama is at least attempting to dig us out of the hole! And don’t bring up deficit! Bush had a surplus and spent us into the red! He borrowed from China and set up the bank bailout with NO OVER SITE!
Posted by: Try the truth | August 28, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Were he mountain biking, I might get the scorn and pointing out the double standard, but he’s riding around Martha’s Vineyard with his kids.
Razzing on him for that makes it easier to dismiss legitimate arguments because it creates an atmosphere of pettiness.
Truth be told, for a little jaunt like that, I wouldn’t wear one either.
Posted by: Jen B. | August 28, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am
If Obama loses his “cool factor” by wearing “Mom jeans” and a bike helmet, what are we left with?
An inexperienced, pompous, Marxist idealogue.
Posted by: WhereWasThePress? | August 28, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
WhereWasThePress? -An inexperienced, pompous, Marxist idealogue.—— Do you even know the definition of “Marxist ideologue? Since you can’t spell it, I guess not!
Posted by: Try the truth | August 28, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
“Since you can’t spell it, I guess not!”
In your world a quickly written typo negates the meaning of a word? I get it, you’re using ridicule, right?
I take it you understand inexperienced and pompous well enough.
Wow, such wisdom, such truth, lol. How about “non sequitur”… As in your logic does not follow.
But I can see why you are an Obama worshipper* if you do not think that Obama blindly follows Marxist ideals**.
*which can be spelled with one or two p’s.
**”a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society”
Posted by: WhereWasThePress? | August 28, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
=== NO OVER SITE! ===
Do you even know the definition of “oversight”? Since you can’t spell it, I guess not!
And I really didn’t know there was more than one Bush at the WH. Hint: The possessive not the plural.
Careful what you open up next time.
Posted by: Axey | August 28, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
WhereWasThePress? | Aug 28, 2009 11:03:01 AM— so what exactly has President Obama done to earn that “definition” you posted? You can attack me all you want. You still have not posted one fact, to fit your label.
Posted by: Try the truth | August 28, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Im pro bike helmets but I wouldn’t wear one. I was raised in the 70′s and Im old skool like that. However I do want my kids to wear 1. Call me a hypocrite!
Posted by: Scentsy | August 28, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
On Aug 27th, Manitu posted “ANYONE SEEN THE RASMUSSEN PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS? SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!”
I replied to Manitu “Yes, I have seen it. His job approval rating went up a point today. 50% approve 49% disapprove”
That was my entire comment. Nothing more, nothing less. Then BH comes along and tells ME “…your insinuation is absurd,” and “…the impression that you left was that a one point rise was meaningful in some way.”
It’s blatantly obvious that the person who shouts in uppercase lettering with triple exclamation points is the one trying to leave an impression. Obvious to everyone except BH, that is. And THAT speaks volumes!!!
Posted by: Numeros | August 28, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama’s massive ego has taken a huge hit since plunging in the polls.
The last time BO wore a helmet he took heat for looking like a geek. But that was candidate Obama.
Now that he’s president Obama can’t afford to damage that suave sexy image.
No more mom jeans or dorky helmet for
the coolest president ever.
Posted by: millie | August 28, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Obama didn’t want to mess up his hair.
Image is everything to him.
Posted by: max | August 28, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Obama knows what is best for every human on earth.
Do as he says….But he doesn’t have to.
Posted by: larry | August 28, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Oh yeah? Well, Bush Lied; Men Died.
I win.
Posted by: Ryan See | Aug 28, 2009 1:06:38 PM
By your name I would say that was tongue in cheek
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 28, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Smokes
No Helmet
Spends money wildly
Eats burgers regularly
Stretches the truth all the time
Calls cops stupid
Bully
Not a very good role model.
Posted by: tyler | August 28, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
The comments above reinforce my belief that our great country really is doomed. It appears only a tiny fraction of the population can pinpoint the govt. corruption and from which just about every major problem stems. When another unjust war breaks out and/or you are paying $10.00 for a loaf of bread, criticizing the president for wearing girly jeans won’t help a bit. How could anyone possibly align themselves with, or defend, either major party? I guess it must feel good to be lied to, to be manipulated, have your rights taken away, have your money wasted, be unemployed and bankrupt. Imagine that – the greatest country in the world is bankrupt and you people are talking about MSM trivia. I never wanted to say it, but American’s – generally speaking are……(I just can’t say it)
Posted by: LookupGeorgeUre | August 28, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
It’s been a thrill not only to have him on island, but to have him stop, wave, and say hello. In his suit or in his T-shirt, he’s what a U.S. president should be — one of us.
Posted by: Oak Bluffs visitor | August 28, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Is Obama on vacation? am now hearing he is going to need a break after this vacation.
I have never heard such nonsense in my life and yet once again this slides over with not a whimper.
I guess all the bike riding has him spent so its difficult to get back to work.
Posted by: SJ | August 28, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Many of the problems that everyone blames Bush for were started by peanut head Carter. They were made worse by the most part by Clinton and Reagan had some fault. Bottom line is the government should not as large as it is. Obama is just the culmination of a society who wants someone else to take care of them. It says little for your backbone and your woth to society. This new administration will put us so far in debt that we will never be able get out of it. Most of you libs have no concept of how much the debt really is and dont understand the inflation about to kick us in the ###. I hope your happy when it all hits the fan.We are fast approaching a socalist society full of useless citizens. When the haves and hard workers realize that they are alone footing the bill for the masses who voted this disaster in they will to stop working and want to be taken care of. Good luck and say goodbye to this contry as it was once known.
Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
People are out of work! People have no insurance! Unemployment insurance will soon run out! More foreclosures. Yet, we are dwelling on bicycle helmets in a rural area with countless bodyguards around them. What’s the matter with you people?
Posted by: LollyT | August 28, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Criticizing Obama for not wearing a bicycle helmet.
How long before someone plays the race card?
It always comes back to that…
Posted by: tony | August 28, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
How could he ever find a helmet big enough?
Only one reason Obama didn’t wear a helmet—ego.
Posted by: bailey | August 28, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Tony: “How long before someone plays the race card?
It always comes back to that…”
That is the Skippy Gates’ Law (similar to Godwin’s Law). He who throws down the race card first, loses.
Tony, I’m afraid that is you.
Posted by: Snickers | August 28, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
“What’s the matter with you people?”
You should have asked that in November, Miss Lolly T.
Posted by: Snickers | August 28, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
New Clarus poll has Obama approval at 49%; disapproval on healthcare at 49-38. (Must be a right-winger poll. What are the left-wing polls telling us?)
What is the left-wingers’ very favorite poll? What are the numbers, and the trends, in that poll? Come on, dopes, we really love hearing from you!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
That said, the Rass. poll, though relatively unchanged for weeks, does speak volumes as the Gallups and Pews of the world move sharply in Scott’s poll’s direction”
ROFLMAO!
Rasmussen quick plummet and relative stability for months now versus the gradual decline in the Pew and Gallup poll proves Rasmussen is right?
Now I know why the right wing media lies so often.
Their audience is unbelievably gullible.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 28, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Come on, dopes, we really love hearing from you!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Aug 28, 2009 5:03:33 PM
**
Dopes?
You realize that Clinton and Reagan experienced seriously declining poll ratings their first year, too, right? And went on to be re-elected.
And that bullies call other people names because they’re emotionally fragile and insecure?
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
“Dopes?
What’s your favorite poll? What are the trends in that poll?
Are these questions too difficult for you to answer?
Obama lied. Healthcare died.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Although 80* of the public wants the option of joining a government insurance plan, including well over half of Republicans, I suggest we ask the question differently in the polls:
“Would you rather have government health care subsidies go to private insurance companies, or directly to doctors and hospitals?”
I wonder how much support that would have?
Posted by: Flash Override | August 28, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Aug 28, 2009 5:22:42 PM
***
First of all, I thought you wanted some kind of health reform. Now, you’re proclaiming its dead and calling people dopes?
Second of all, who would want to answer you when you’re being rude? I will, but sheesh.
I don’t trust anyone poll. I look at them all, and read Nate Silver’s blog and the articles at and try to look at sample size, whether it’s likely voters or all adults– and then I don’t stress too much or gloat too much about it either way till it’s been a few months. To me this is all pretty understandable given the economy, the backlash from the opposition, and health care which gets messy. I remember the 90s very well.
You likely won’t like that answer, but there you go. I’d much rather this be happening now than in a year (for midterms) or in 2011. REagan and Clinton had a decline in their first year but ended on a popular note. Bush didn’t have this decline in popularity during his first, but ended as he ended. It’s really way, way too early to “tell” all these things you all want to be able to tell.
That’s my take.
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
“New Clarus poll has Obama approval at 49%; disapproval on healthcare at 49-38″
What is the left-wingers’ very favorite poll? What are the numbers, and the trends, in that poll? Come on, dopes, we really love hearing from you!”
Ya know what makes things like this easy?
The fact that right wingers rely on their lying media so you have no idea what else was in the poll.
Like Obama beating GOP contenders handily.
He beats Romney and Huck by 9 & 10 pts respectively and blow out both Palin and Newt.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 28, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Although 80* of the public wants the option of joining a government insurance plan, including well over half of Republicans, I suggest we ask the question differently in the polls:
“Would you rather have government health care subsidies go to private insurance companies, or directly to doctors and hospitals?”
I wonder how much support that would have?
Posted by: Flash Override | Aug 28, 2009 5:27:41 PM
***
I like that. The confusion regarding the public option is really amazing. polling is all over the place due to the way the questions are asked. We need a new name for it, and we need to simplify, clarify, and control the message and spin.
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Like Obama beating GOP contenders handily.
He beats Romney and Huck by 9 & 10 pts respectively and blow out both Palin and Newt.
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 28, 2009 5:35:15 PM
****
Ahhhh. So that’s where the fragility and insecurity is stemming from. They haven’t found the, ahem, “great white hope” that can beat Obama in the polls yet.
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
“Ahhhh. So that’s where the fragility and insecurity is stemming from. They haven’t found the, ahem, “great white hope” that can beat Obama in the polls yet.”
I don’t see how Romney gets a nomination.
The base hates him and I don’t think enough independents vote in the GOP primaries(if allowed).
Posted by: Ryan C | August 28, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
the articles at. . .
****
oops– there was a website there but it was deleted so I’ll put it this way– the analysis by Mark Blumenthal and others at National Journal’s pollster site
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
I don’t see how Romney gets a nomination.
The base hates him and I don’t think enough independents vote in the GOP primaries(if allowed).
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 28, 2009 5:43:46 PM
**
I don’t think it will be Romney either, I also don’t think the base would go for it (stage whisper, “he’s not really, truly one of them– Massachusetts health care”) And I can’t see Huckabee getting many votes outside the base. Cons likely favor Jindal. Huntsman could have been a contender. I’m still seeing Newt and Sarah as a potential ticket, and to that I say go for it!!
Maybe Fascist and others of his ilk can tell us who they favor and we can keep track of them on the polls!!
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Of course, that assumes that the Republican Party will still exist at that point.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 28, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
“And I can’t see Huckabee getting many votes outside the base.”
I actually can see him doing so.
He has a very soft spoken and cordial manner and a strange kind of charisma.
People just like him.
He’s got an ok record to run on.
“Cons likely favor Jindal.”
Possibly, though I doubt it.
He has problems with a run including standing for re-election for Gov in 2011.
A 1 term Governor with 2 terms in the House may not sit well with Republican primary voters.
“Huntsman could have been a contender.”
He still could be.
“I’m still seeing Newt and Sarah as a potential ticket, and to that I say go for it!!”
Its one of those dream/nightmare things.
A dream because I think they are easily beaten, a nightmare because you just never know and they shouldn’t get so close to the office of President.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 28, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
People just like him.
***
Oh, I know! I kinda like him, too, his personality, though I don’t agree with him politically at all:)But can he draw moderates and independents, and raise money? He probably can raise more money this time around, but if Sarah puts her name in the ring, I think they’d be competing for a lot of the same votes. She could fundraise for him, I suppose. But I still can’t see enough moderates and independents going for it (Sarah or Huckabee or both together) to make a difference.
Of course, I thought in 2007 that Hillary would get the Dem nomination and Mitt would do a little better in the primaries and possibly beat out McCain, so I don’t have a great track record on predicting these things. LOL.
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
“But can he draw moderates and independents, and raise money?”
Independents lean slightly conservative but you make a good point about raising money.
“Of course, I thought in 2007 that Hillary would get the Dem nomination and Mitt would do a little better in the primaries and possibly beat out McCain,”
I also thought Hillary would win and I thought McCain was a goner in fall of 2007.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 28, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Speaking of Huckabee and Gingrich have you seen “Huckabee: Sen. Ted Kennedy is a “Shining Example” of Why the Health Care Bill is So Bad” (tolbert report) and “Gingrich urges Obama to fire AG Holder” (the Hill’s blog) ?
Ugh. Maybe I don’t like Huckabee THAT much. :>)
Posted by: Alyson | August 28, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Of course I want health insurance reform. I don’t want Obamacare, and because the people know he’s been lying about it, we won’t get it. And that’s an excellent result.
Not having heard from the left-wingers about their favorite poll, I’ll hazard a guess: it’s Fox News, right? They’ve got this overwhelmed failure at a whopping 53%.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
What do people mean by “Obamacare”? Is it the “medicare for all” bill by Kennedy, HR676 the single-payer bill, one of the three versions of HR3200, the senate HELP committee bill, or the Finance Committee one the press is fixated on?
The nearest I can figure it, “Obamacare” ought to mean health insurance reform that covers as many as possible, eliminates rescission and enforces coverage regardless of preconditions, is as close to revenue neutral as possible, and cuts costs. Those are the ideas Obama laid out, its too bad he didn’t draft a bill though.
You could have vastly different versions of “Obamacare”, with differences of billions of dollars in costs, so it is a very vague concept.
Unless of course, you dont give a damn about health care reform, and you are calling it Obamacare just because you don’t like Obama.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 28, 2009, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Juan Williams says there’s a “civil war” within the administration concerning the CIA. This is simply an administration in disarray.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Health insurance reform ought to also include prohibitions against private insurance companies practicing “utilization control” (ie – rationing). Too bad that isn’t one of Obama’s core principles as well.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 28, 2009, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Typical Obama hypocrisy. He’s such a fraud and disappointment.
Hillary 2012.
Posted by: T | August 28, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
“…prohibitions against private insurance companies practicing ‘utilization control’ (ie – rationing).”
Think about what you are saying: such prohibitions would mean that the insurer was required to reimburse your doctor for every single thing you ever asked him to do, whether or not either of you really thought it was necessary or made sense. I doubt anyone seriously wants any such thing.
In a free market (we could have one, but because of various governmental restrictions we are far from it) your insurer rations your care in accordance with the terms of a contract freely negotiated between your risk pool and the insurer. If you don’t like the contractual rationing scheme at the price being charged, you bargain with other insurers until you find a package you like at a price you are willing to pay.
With the government, there is no negotiating at all. Decisions about what will and will not be covered will be made by people whom you will never meet, and over whose decisions you will have no control at all. You will take what you are given, and you will accept it. The government can decide (as the government of New Jersey has done) that your policy must cover acupuncture, in vitro fertilization and hairpieces, whether you want such coverage or not. And you (or the taxpayer) will pay for that government-mandated coverage, whether you like it or not.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
“With the government, there is no negotiating at all.”
With a public option if you don’t like the government plan bargain with the private insurers till you find one you like. With single payer, unless prohibited which I think is unlikely, you will be able to buy supplemental coverage which you can bargain with private insurers for.
Posted by: Skip | August 28, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Does ObamaCare cover brain injury if you don’t wear a helmet?
Posted by: Bus Driver | August 28, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Skip, the problem is that if you don’t like the public option, you cannot join any private plan that isn’t approved by the government, and we have lots of experience with where that leads. Prefer not to pay for podiatry coverage? Tough. In vitro fertilization? Ditto. Acupuncture? Hairpieces? Substance abuse counseling?
Whether these requirements are included in a “standard benefits package” will not be determined by you. Let me know when you’re able to arrange a meeting with the folks who make those decisions. Once you figure out who they are.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 28, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Juan Williams says there’s a “civil war” within the administration concerning the CIA. This is simply an administration in disarray.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
maybe, they just don’t have the guts to prosecute the many crimes they know exist and can easily be proven… so much for the cliches about justice, a ‘nation of laws’… all garbage
Posted by: TJ | August 29, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Let me know when you’re able to arrange a meeting with the folks who make those decisions. Once you figure out who they are.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
I just went through some kidney problems. and I have BlueCross as my insurance, I’m self employed….Dr. ordered a series of MRI’s & CAT scans……… I had to wait for approval from who ever it was making the decisions…. this was last month….
I’m all for trying something different.
Posted by: Tell me about it when you're in pain | August 29, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am
“the problem is that if you don’t like the public option, you cannot join any private plan that isn’t approved by the government”
I know if you invoke the dreaded word ‘government’ you will surely frighten the most conservative 30% of the electorate, but seriously what can you buy that isn’t approved by the government in one way or another? Is this really anything different or is it another scare tactic? I’m hopeful that we will at least be able to influence what’s in the government package indirectly through our legislators and the electoral process.
Posted by: Skip | August 29, 2009, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Wow…breaking news! President Obama rode his bike at a very slow pace without a helmet. Impeachment hearings are being scheduled! Sheesh…
Posted by: Chima | August 29, 2009, 2:13 am 2:13 am
“what can you buy that isn’t approved by the government in one way or another?”
Clothing. A house . Firewood. A present for your wife. A life insurance policy. A trip to Vegas . And a million other things you might want, and only a serf would accept that the government can intrude upon his free choice.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 29, 2009, 2:51 am 2:51 am
‘only a serf would accept that the government can intrude upon his free choice.’
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
or…..’intrude upon HER free choice’
go explain that to the evangelical serfs,
let me know how it goes
Posted by: Don't shoot the wolf | August 29, 2009, 3:14 am 3:14 am
Clothing. A house
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
General clothing textiles are required by federal government regulations to meet burn rate standards
homes.- building guidelines & inspections,
use of approved building materials etc.
Posted by: Don't shoot the wolf | August 29, 2009, 3:35 am 3:35 am
My opinion of Obama is lower than scum but I support freedom of choice. Who cares if he wears a helmet. People need to get a life.
Posted by: CSM | August 29, 2009, 8:28 am 8:28 am
What a role model! Bet he just forgot to put on his helmet, but didn’t forget the cigarettes! No problem, he has different insurance than I have.
Posted by: mjoehickl | August 29, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am
“A trip to Vegas ”
If you fly, there’s the FAA which includes the traffic control system, and if you drive, all the motor vehicles you could take are federally regulated for safety.
Posted by: Danny | August 29, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
“A present for your wife.”
To buy anything within the US, you pay in US government issued currency. Credit cards are federally regulated, too.
Posted by: Danny | August 29, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Speaking of Huckabee and Gingrich have you seen “Huckabee: Sen. Ted Kennedy is a “Shining Example” of Why the Health Care Bill is So Bad” (tolbert report) and “Gingrich urges Obama to fire AG Holder” (the Hill’s blog) ?
Ugh. Maybe I don’t like Huckabee THAT much. :>)
Posted by: Alyson | Aug 28, 2009 6:40:25 PM
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Adding on to this from yesterday, John Cole at Balloon Juice has a nice rant on this, google “Stupid and proud of it.”
Posted by: Alyson | August 29, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Skip, Danny and Don’t shoot the wolf, nice job taking apart the “pure free market with no government whatsoever” utopia myth. An article by Dean Baker comes to mind. An excerpt:
“In general, political debates over regulation have been wrongly cast as disputes over the extent of regulation, with conservatives assumed to prefer less regulation, while liberals prefer more. In fact conservatives do not necessarily desire less regulation, nor do liberals necessarily desire more. Conservatives support regulatory structures that cause income to flow upward, while liberals support regulatory structures that promote equality. “Less” regulation does not imply greater inequality, nor is the reverse true. Framing regulation debates in terms of more and less is not only inaccurate; it hugely biases the argument toward conservative positions by characterizing an extremely intrusive structure of, for example, patent and copyright rules, as the free market. In the realm of insurance and finance over the last two decades, calls for deregulation have been cover for rules tilted starkly toward corporate interests. And the recent change in bankruptcy law, hailed by conservatives, requires much greater government involvement in the economy. “
Posted by: Alyson | August 29, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Alyson
wish some folks here would actually open up a book, or use the ‘net to check out why there are such things as child labor laws, and regulations on working conditions in factories minimum wage,…. they need to read about the conditions that existed in the ‘free market’ historically……..long before they received their most recent talking point nonsense from the loud ‘right’ media.
Posted by: Don't shoot the wolf | August 29, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
“I know if you invoke the dreaded word ‘government’ you will surely frighten the most conservative 30% of the electorate, but seriously what can you buy that isn’t approved by the government in one way or another?”
And therefore we should want even more of it?
“Approved by the government” is not something I want even more of my life subjected to, do you?
Posted by: PD | August 29, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
I think there’s only one example of an FTC investigation of health insurance companies (they are exempt from anti-trust laws), yet there have been at least 20 cases against doctors who have tried to band together to negotiate with insurance companies.
Kind of shows how the “idea of regulation” as a thing in itself makes no sense.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 29, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
“wish some folks here would actually open up a book, or use the ‘net to check out why there are such things as child labor laws, and regulations on working conditions in factories minimum wage,…. they need to read about the conditions that existed in the ‘free market’ historically……..long before they received their most recent talking point nonsense from the loud ‘right’ media.”
Excellent points.
Posted by: julieterra | August 29, 2009, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
He’s an Elitis – Now do as he says.
Posted by: Moderate | August 30, 2009, 2:37 am 2:37 am
PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE IS THE WORSE FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE THERE IS…… EXCEPT FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN.
Posted by: Manitu | August 30, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm