Obama to Speak at Kennedy Funeral Saturday in Boston

Weird… Huh?. . .cold and lacking in feeling
Posted by: T | Aug 26, 2009 6:32:26 PM
I would think any one who has suffered a wide range of losses knows that everyone mourns differently, every loss is different,and sometimes spending time with your family is the thing that feels most pressing and dear and provides the most comfort. I’ve never felt it was my place to judge how anyone chooses to mourn or express their feelings of loss. Some people are passionate and wear their hearts and emotions on their sleeves, others are more reserved when it comes to sharing their innermost feelings.
Senator Kennedy wasn’t perfect– none of us are– but he dedicated a big part of his life to the betterment of this country, to working people and equal opportunity, and he truly was our great liberal lion. He also seemed to genuinely and deeply regret his biggest mistakes. He appeared to be the glue of his huge family– I’ll never forget him when JFK Jr.’s plane was missing. The tributes to him have been amazing. I’m certain VP Biden’s remarks at his wake, and President Obama’s words at his funeral, will be genuine and heartfelt attempts to do him justice.
Another famous Ted Kennedy quote:
* “My brother need not be idealized or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it” – eulogy for brother Robert Kennedy, June 1968.

In honor of Teddy, a seemingly timeless quote–
“The Grand Old Party thinks it has found a great new trick, but 40 years ago an earlier generation of Republicans attempted the same trick. And Franklin Roosevelt himself replied, “Most Republican leaders have bitterly fought and blocked the forward surge of average men and women in their pursuit of happiness. Let us not be deluded that overnight those leaders have suddenly become the friends of average men and women.”
“You know,” he continued, “very few of us are that gullible.” And four years later when the Republicans tried that trick again, Franklin Roosevelt asked, “Can the Old Guard pass itself off as the New Deal? I think not. We have all seen many marvelous stunts in the circus, but no performing elephant could turn a handspring without falling flat on its back.”
The 1980 Republican convention was awash with crocodile tears for our economic distress, but it is by their long record and not their recent words that you shall know them.
The same Republicans who are talking about the crisis of unemployment have nominated a man who once said, and I quote, “Unemployment insurance is a prepaid vacation plan for freeloaders.” And that nominee is no friend of labor.
The same Republicans who are talking about the problems of the inner cities have nominated a man who said, and I quote, “I have included in my morning and evening prayers every day the prayer that the Federal Government not bail out New York.” And that nominee is no friend of this city and our great urban centers across this nation.
The same Republicans who are talking about security for the elderly have nominated a man who said just four years ago that “Participation in social security should be made voluntary.” And that nominee is no friend of the senior citizens of this nation.
The same Republicans who are talking about preserving the environment have nominated a man who last year made the preposterous statement, and I quote, “Eighty percent of our air pollution comes from plants and trees.” And that nominee is no friend of the environment.
…Finally, we cannot have a fair prosperity in isolation from a fair society. So I will continue to stand for a national health insurance. We must — We must not surrender — We must not surrender to the relentless medical inflation that can bankrupt almost anyone and that may soon break the budgets of government at every level. Let us insist on real controls over what doctors and hospitals can charge, and let us resolve that the state of a family’s health shall never depend on the size of a family’s wealth.” — addressing the Democratic National Convention after pulling out of the presidential race, August 1980.

“Condolences to his family
and may their beautiful Catholic faith sustain them in this time of great sorrow.”
Senator Kennedy, recipient of 100% pro-choice rating from the abortion-rights group Naral. Perhaps he belongs to a different “beautiful Catholic faith” than the one of which I am aware?

Rest In Peace Teddy.
I was in the third grade when JKF was killed. I remember being on the playground when I heard the news.
One of those moments like the Challenger explosion, and 9/11 where you will always remember the moment.
I don’t agree at all with Ted’s politics. His endorsememt of Obama made me sick inside.
But I grew up with the Kennedys.
They were like our royalty.
I loved JFK and RFK.
I’m glad Ted is no longer in pain and is reunited with his parents, brothers and sisters.

Amazing 1 OBAMANATION memoralizing another, just amazing

@ See Ya,
“now, the ‘right’ has developed the ability to mind read the emotions of people they don’t know, as we all know ‘real americans’ only mourn in a very specific approved way determined by the fringe and GOP.”
You may want to re-read “T’s” post, Champ. T does not appear to be from the ‘right’ nor ‘fringe’ nor ‘GOP’. He was a T. Kennedy volunteer in 1980.
I’m wondering…will ObamaCare cover injuries caused by kneejerk reactions?

“But I hope everyone will also take the time to also remember Mary Jo”
May she rest in peace despite your efforts to exhume her for your own political purposes.

Obama has tried using his mother and grandmother to gain support for Obamacare.
How long before he invokes the memory of Teddy?
It won’t help Obama’s sinking ship.
America doesn’t trust him.
RIP Ted Kennedy

Posted by: tjp612
yeah, everyone writes the truth here….
‘T’ is able to ascertain emotions from TV, very Bill Frist like…
re: will ObamaCare cover injuries caused by kneejerk reactions?
I sure hope so, how are all the crazy, birthers, death panelers, secret FEMA campers, freedom fries buyers, ‘tree of liberty gun folks’
going to make it without it…… think about ‘Champ’..

RIP Teddy he has many people in Australia that respected him. sad lose for the world!
Can someone tell me why are so many Americas so stupid ?
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The public option the Dems want is just that an option you can choose or not choose!
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The public option will cost 8 cents in every dollar for admin.
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Private healthcare costs 30 to 39 cents in every dollar for admin and profit for share holders!
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Would you rather a plan that spends 92 cents in every dollar on health care?
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Would you rather a plan that spends 61 cents in every dollar on health care?
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Bush spent 3 trillion on Iraq for a war you didnt need to find chemical weapons that didnt exisit.
Obama wants to spend 1 trillion dollars at the most over 10 years to make sure every one has health care you can keep your own Private health care if you choose.. You will just pay less for it! They wont be able to deny you for pre exising conditions!
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You guys are crazy the whole worlds laughing at how stupid these town hallers are!

Ted Kennedy, 1987:
“Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of the government.”

I have NO issue with the color of Obama’s skin…
…just the thickness of it.
This neophyte has the White House and filibuster-proof supermajorities in Congress–and all he can do is whine about being stopped by a handful of protesters and the GOP–which has NO power.

I too believe in fighting against. . .
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a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of the government.”
Posted by: Ted Kennedy’s America | Aug 27, 2009 8:26:07 AM
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Ted Kennedy served for four decades as a senator and authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels.
Kennedy voted against the Iraq war, and in 2003 said of it: “There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud.”

Alyson,
You stated perfectly the reasons Kennedy will not be missed in the Senate by many Americans. Like Pelosi, to many, he was our political weathervane.Whicherver way he pointed, the wise decision was always in the opposite direction.

He was a man who saw the U.S. Senate as his birthright.The son of a wealthy bootlegger who bought his other son the U.S. Presidency, a man who fled the scene of a crime he committed (he was drunk) and by right of his birth, never prosecuted.
A man who stood by his nephew and partied hard with him during his rape trial.
With him goes another advocate for spending other people’s money to bolster their legacy and grow the size of govt.

Community Agitator
You mean like Bush used 911 to destroy your constitution ? Your freedom and your liberty ?

“You mean like Bush used 911 to destroy your constitution ? Your freedom and your liberty ?”
The leftists are such hypocritical clowns these days. Remember when the Patriot Act was scaring up imaginary fears that took a conspiracy theorists mindset to see their logic? Now the clowns are silent when the invasion of personal privacy is written in black in white in one of their cherished bills. Per CBS’ Declan McCullagh:
“One of the problems with any proposed law that’s over 1,000 pages long and constantly changing is that much deviltry can lie in the details. Take the Democrats’ proposal to rewrite health care policy, better known as H.R. 3200 or by opponents as “Obamacare.”
“Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and “other information as is prescribed by” regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for “affordability credits.”
“Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details — there’s no specified limit on what’s available or unavailable — to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify “affordability credits.”
“Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a “low-income prescription drug subsidy” but has not applied for it.”

BH,
Im Australian not on the left or the right and I agree the CBS story is a real issue and one that should be pressed the rest is just made up like death pannels, rationing, that the public option isnt a choice.. The crazy townhallers stuff but that issue is a real one that needs explanation!

Aussie – are you in Australia, worrying about our domestic policies? Or are you here in the US?

Aussie,
Let me give you an example- 2 AQ 9/11 hijackers resided in Los Angeles prior to 9/11. One of them made multiple calls to a phone in Yemen that was a AQ logistics facility. The U.S. NSA was tapping that phone in Yemen, but by law, couldn’t pass that information to U.S. law enforcement (FBI, police, etc.)
since a ‘U.S. person’ was on one end of it.That is, any foreigner residing in the U.S. had a right to privacy, even if they were a terrorist we were unaware of.
After 9/11, the law was changed so the thresholds for reporting information like this example were lowered.
That doesn’t exactly ‘destroy’ the Constitution, my friend.

J House
6th Amendment Right to a speedy trail.
4th Amendment Warrentless Searchs of Mail
4th Amendment Warentless wiretapps 8th Amendment Cruel and Unusual Punishment
4th Amendment Warrantless Demand for ID
1st amendment Free speach to VP
5th Amendment Bush’s July 17th executive order threatens 5th Amendment rights because he can seize the assests of people who protest the war in Iraq.
They are all just from signing statements not including the mess made by the patriot act!

Aussie, I’ll bite-
6th-right to a speedy trial (obviously, you haven’t lived here long…ever tried to get a trial hearing?..it can take years to get justice)
And besides, this is a right for a CRIMINAL trial, for CRIMINALS arrested IN THE U.S.
So, forget that one for terrorists captured outside the U.S.
‘Warrantless Wiretapping/Mail’- this also doesn’t violate the Constitution-this merely updats the law to allow for new technologies to be exploited-for example, I have a warrant to listen to your conversation. I also have the ability to pull every number you called out of your address book, remotely.So, I obtained these numbers without a warrant and can now exploit them, since you were a criminal suspect to begin with and I have a warrant.
Now, do you get it?
I’ll also ask you-can you name ONE American citizen who has had their privacy violated by this law? Name ONE American citizen that has been illegally detained using this law…
Free speech? What on earth are you talking about? I’ll paraphrase Barney Frank-what planet are you living on?
Can you name ONE American that has had their assets seized because they protested the Iraq war? (and by the way, where are all of those protesters now that we have a new kinder and gentler President?)

AMerican Citizen arrested in 2002, Jose Padilla was considered so dangerous that he was held without charges in a military prison for more than three years — accused first of plotting a radiological “dirty bomb” attack and later of conspiring with al Qaeda to blow up apartment buildings with natural gas.
Republican-appointed federal judge in Miami has already dumped the murder conspiracy count against Padilla, removing for now the possibility of a life sentence. The judge has also disparaged the government’s case as “light on facts,” and defense lawyers have made detailed allegations that Padilla was tortured, threatened and perhaps even drugged during his detention at a Navy brig in South Carolina
Two years later — facing growing legal challenges over its decision to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen without charges — the administration took the unusual step of outlining several new allegations against Padilla, playing down the original accusations involving a “dirty bomb” plot.
James Comey, then the deputy attorney general, detailed Padilla’s alleged travels around the Middle East from 2000 to 2002, including a trip to an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, meetings with senior al Qaeda leaders and preparations for blowing up apartment buildings inside the United States.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales announced Padilla’s indictment in late 2005, when he was added to a previous terrorism-support case in south Florida. By moving Padilla into criminal court, the administration managed to sidestep a potential ruling from the Supreme Court on whether the government had the authority to hold a U.S. citizen such as Padilla without charges.
The indictment did not mention the previous allegations against Padilla, or any planned attacks on U.S. soil. Instead, it alleged that Padilla joined two other defendants, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, in funneling money to terrorist groups for battles overseas.
In a motion to dismiss the case in October, federal public defender Michael Caruso and his team also alleged that Padilla “was tortured for nearly the entire three years and eight months of his unlawful detention. The torture took myriad forms, each designed to cause pain, anguish, depression and, ultimately, the loss of will to live. The base ingredient in Mr. Padilla’s torture was stark isolation for a substantial portion of his captivity.”
Among other things, the defense alleges that Padilla was held for 1,307 days in a 9-foot-by-7-foot cell, isolated for days or weeks at a time, physically assaulted and threatened with execution and other violence, kept awake with lights and noises, and forced to take mind-altering drugs, possibly PCP or LSD.
Justice ??

J House
Why was all Americas defence’s turned off ?
Why was everyone taking part in traing exercises that involed plans crashing into buildings ? Do you recall them asking is this real world or part of the drill ?
Why did ever nation with an Intel service warn your nation of impending attacks including my own ?
Why was GHW Bush with the saudi royals on 911 why did they give them specail permission to leave ?
Who trained Bin Laden ? (CIA under GHW Bush)
Its just strange!

Aussie- so you are a truther, and you are here telling American citizens at townhall meetings the world is laughing at *them*?

The CSIRO Australia’s chief scientific body has proven the towers could not have fallen on their own.
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Interesting.
Did George Bush also plan the Bali bombs that killed so many Australians?

NO ONE has proven the ‘towers couldn’t have fallen on their own’.
A 150+ ton planes fully loaded with jet fuel crashed in to buildings at an astonishing 500+ mph.
It is a wonder that the buildings stood at all after the impact.
Everyone must admit there is no precedent for that kind of danage to a skyscraper.
Note that NO ONE has ANY evidence that explosives were used, were present, were placed or set off by ANYONE prior to or during the attack. it is COMPLETE speculation…no witness, no evidence…only conjecture.
You have to make a great leap of faith to tell your own eyes you didn’t see a wide-bodied jet slam into buildings in real-time, and them make the conclusion that secret agents were actually blowing up the buildings at the same time.

aussie..I question your authenticity. Curious??? Any thinking person would be well advised to pass on any propaganda you may be “baiting” with…

It’s the end of an era with the passing of Sen. Edward Moore Kennedy. May he eternally rest in peace alongside his brothers.
Obama doesn’t appear to be “mourning” the loss of his “friend” and major endorser. Weird. As reported on ABC Obama “continues his vacation today, going out for lunch and posing for photos”. Huh?
Obama appeared cold and lacking in feeling as he spoke of his “friend” Sen. Ted Kennedy’s passing today in comparison to Biden who seemed genuinely upset. Obama didn’t appear to be “heartbroken”. Strange and interesting.
Teddy made a huge mistake in betraying the brilliant Clintons for the unqualified Obama. Teddy’s judgment was not always the best…
Thank you Teddy for a lifetime of public service. I was a Kennedy volunteer in the 1980 Kennedy Presidential campaing. It was audacious for Ted to try to take down a sitting President of his OWN party in 1980 and lead to Pres. Carter’s eventual defeat to Reagan. Wow. Ted accomplished many good things but did many bad things as well. The same notorious womanizer and boozer Teddy helped bring us Title 9, ADA, and SCHIP and No Child Left Behind with Bush. He was a man of contradictions personally and professionally.
Teddy lived a life of privledge and tragedy on a scale most of us will never experience.
May God forgive him his sins and Bless Him for his good works. May God rest his soul.
Condolences to his family
and may their beautiful Catholic faith sustain them in this time of great sorrow. Peace, all

Hey Obama, go out and play another 9 in honor of Ted kennedy.

“* On OBLs training, your ignorance is showing…the U.S. funded Afghan mujahedeen, not the Saudi fighters.
There is not a single shred of evidence that one dollar went to Bin Laden, nor any US-funded training.It is a lie that continues to be repeated.”
And we never friends or supportive of Saddam Hussein.
The right wing back to historical revisionism.

MayBee some have claimed that ? I really dont know I do know that facts regarding 911 need answers!

The Bush dynasty has always been comfortable putting profits before patriotism. Prescott Bush, Bush Senior’s father, extended credit to Adolph Hitler and supplied him with raw materials during Word War II. The U. S. seized his assets under the Trading with the Enemy Act, but grandfather Bush found other ways to replenish the family coffers.
Bush Senior struck it rich in oil and in the defense industry. Mahfouz (yes, that Mahfouz), Prince Bandar and Prince Sultan (Bandar’s father) were also heavily invested in the defense industry through their holdings in the Carlyle Group, where Bush Senior served on the board of directors. Founded in 1987 as a private investment group with strong connections to the Republican Party establishment, Carlyle increased its original investment of $130 million to $900 million when it went public in 2001.

RyanC,
revisionism is your dept….I quote Saddam in his conversation with April G. before his invasion of Kuwait “If we try to buy wheat from you, you’ll call it gunpowder”
The only reason the U.S. ‘supported’ Saddam against Iran was the alternative looked worse…Iran over-running Iraq, which was entirely possible.
Besides, it is kind of hard to support Saddam’s war effort when we sold them ZERO weapons systems (in fact, we armed the Iranians with 3000 TOW missiles to stop Saddam’s armor, purchased courtesey of the Soviet Union).
So, it is your revisionism that makes for a ‘cozy’ relationship with Saddam under Reagan-Bush.
Or, perhpas you can detail what weapons were sold to Saddam?
We shared some intelligence about Iranian advances…it stopped there.
No gas (Germany), no anthrax manufacturing plants (Germany), no nuclear reactors (France) , no conventional weapons (Soviets and other Soviet-aligned nations).
So, what are you talking about?

“Posted by: Aussie | Aug 27, 2009 11:09:11 AM”
This is where I have to bid adieu.
While I think the handling of 9/11 was incompetent, conspiracy theories about Bush letting it happen or making it happen are ridiculous.

It is funny how critics impaled the former President for playing golf when our soldiers are dying in the field, but this President gets a pass.
I guess he just ‘mourns’ differently.
Hey, it is a new kind of politics!

While I think the handling of 9/11 was incompetent, conspiracy theories about Bush letting it happen or making it happen are ridiculous.
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 27, 2009 12:00:45 PM
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Ooooh. I missed that. I agree with Ryan. Love Aussies, but agree Bush didn’t orchestrate or allow. And he hadn’t been in office that long when it went down.

Ryan C
Fair enough they are the 911 commision reports unanswered questions.
The fact the anthrax came from the US stock pile is enough to raise an eyebrow!
ps im done anyway!

“It is funny how critics impaled the former President for playing golf when our soldiers are dying in the field, but this President gets a pass.”
Two things,
1) Bush got heat because his quote made famous in Moore’s F/911
2) After that came out Bush claimed he was giving up golf for the troops.

Nice…’Progressive’ magazine as a source.
The biological and chemical precursor chemicals you mention are not banned by any treaty and are used for agricultural research.That the Iraqis violated the Geneva conventions on biological and chemical weapons by weaponizing them is the U.S.’s fault?
It is as if we shipped them steel and you blame the U.S. for them making guns with it.Or fertilizer, and they make explosives or chemical weapons with it.
Also, why are you talking about Iraq and WMD, when your fellow progressives say that is all a lie?
Can you make up your minds?

The American supply house, the American Type Culture Collection of Manassas, Va., had previously been identified as an important supplier of anthrax and other germ samples to Iraq.
But the full extent of the sales by the Virginia supply house and the Pasteur Institute in Paris has never been made public by the United Nations, which received the latest weapons declaration from Iraq in December.
Nor was there any public suggestion before now that Iraq had — apart from a small amount of home-grown germ samples — depended exclusively on supplies from the United States and France in the 1980′s in developing the biological weapons that American officials say are now believed to threaten troops massing around Iraq. The shipments were approved by the United States government in the 1980′s, when the transfer of such pathogens for research was legal and easily arranged.
A copy of the pages of the Iraqi declaration dealing with biological weapons was provided to The New York Times, and it reveals the full variety of germs that Iraq says it obtained from abroad for its biological weapons program.
The document shows that the American and French supply houses shipped 17 types of biological agents to Iraq in the 1980′s that were used in the weapons programs. Those included anthrax and the bacteria needed to make botulinum toxin, among the most deadly poisons known. It also discloses that Iraq had tried unsuccessfully to obtain biological agents in the late 1980′s from other biological supply houses around the world.
The quantities of the agents were described in terms of ampuls, which are sealed glass or plastic containers about the size of test tubes.
Iraq has acknowledged that it used the American and French germ samples to produce tons of biological weapons in the 1980′s. It has repeatedly insisted in recent years that the program was shut down, and all of the biological material destroyed, in the 1990′s, an assertion that the United States and many other nations have said is demonstrably untrue.
The United States, France and other Western countries placed severe restrictions on the shipment of biological materials in the early 1990′s, after the extent of Iraq’s biological weapons program became clear in the aftermath of the 1991 Persian Gulf war.
Spokesmen for the American Type Culture Collection and the Pasteur Institute said that they were not surprised that Iraq had identified them as the exclusive foreign suppliers of germ samples to its weapons programs. They said that all of their shipments had been legal and that they were made with the understanding that the agents would be used for research and medical purposes.
A.T.C.C. could never have shipped these samples to Iraq without the Department of Commerce’s approval for all requests,” said Nancy J. Wysocki, vice president for human resources and public relations at the American Type Culture Collection, a nonprofit organization that is one of the world’s leading biological supply houses. “They were sent for legitimate research purposes.”
Michele Mock, a microbiologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, said in a telephone interview: “In the 1980′s, the rules were entirely different. If there was an official letter, there was no reason to avoid providing this material. One good thing now is that the rules have changed.”
The Iraqi statement on its bioweapons was prepared by the Iraqis in 1997 and was incorporated in its entirety into the full weapons declaration provided to the United Nations last year, officials said.
The bioweapons declaration was obtained by Gary B. Pitts, a Houston lawyer who is representing ailing gulf war veterans in a lawsuit claiming that their illnesses were explained by exposure to chemical or biological weapons that were known to be in Iraq’s arsenal in the war. United Nations officials confirmed the authenticity of the document.
Mr. Pitts said that American Type Culture Collection, which is a defendant in the lawsuit, and the Pasteur Institute should have known in the 1980′s that “it was unreasonable to turn over something like this to Saddam, especially after he had used weapons of mass destruction in the past.”

With Barry sooooo distraught over Teddys’ demise…….he probably didn’t get around to reading “a” book be brought.
There is always the next vacation in 2 months!

“Posted by: Aussie | Aug 27, 2009 12:22:27 PM”
Fair enough.

“The shipments were approved by the United States government in the 1980′s, when the transfer of such pathogens for research was legal and easily arranged”
As I said earlier.
Anthrax can be obtained from a hide processor and a number of other places…but why not just order it from the U.S.?
I can give you dozens of examples of countries using our lax export controls over the past several decades to do end-runs to make nasty weapons, including Iran and China, during every Presidency..I’m against it.
So, then,what is your point?
Check the interrogation transcripts of Saddam by the FBI…assuming it is factual, he doesn’t agree that the U.S. was so buddy-buddy with him during Reagan-Bush, or at any time during his reign.
BTW, the U.S. defeated Saddam’s rule and his regime in Iraq. In other words, we won, at a heavy price.
And, we have helped the new Iraq defeat terrorism, although this one isn’t near over.
But, don’t read it in Progressive magazine.
I also think it is interesting you quoted from Progressive about the U.S. giving away its secrets to Saddam, when that same magazine printed once-classified information about the design of thermonuclear weapons, which could have aided our enemy (yeah, I know, they won the right to publish in court).
Such irony.

BTW, the U.S. defeated Saddam’s rule and his regime in Iraq.
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Yeah, well, a lot of people here are unhappy we did that, and would have chosen for him to remain in power.

And agree that Aussies rock…would live in Tourquay or Angelsea in a second…

MayBee
I dont think anyone is ctying over Sadam Just too many lives lost US Australian and British for something that had nothing to do with 911.

“I would like to know from a ‘progressive’ posting here what effect Kennedy’s endorsement had on Obama’s campagin vs. Hillary?”
I would say it was a definite plus for Obama coming about a week before Sooper-Dooper Tuesday.

Yeah, well, a lot of people here are unhappy we did that, and would have chosen for him to remain in power.
Posted by: MayBee | Aug 27, 2009 1:11:39 PM
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As Aussie said, I don’t know of anyone crying over Saddam Hussein either, or the toppling of his regime. But I do resent the way the war was presented and sold to the American public. Resent it like crazy. And I resent much of what happened as time wore on. I resent that I was unable to trust what Bush and Cheney said. I resent that we went it alone and were sneered at by the world community. Now, I’ve said I’m not a true liberal, and one reason is because I’m too darned bloodthirsty. I admit it. I wanted Osama bin Laden on a platter, still do, and it burned that we didn’t finish the job and got distracted before the job was done. Other people have different opinions, and I respect them. But I watched the war coverage very closely after we went into Afghanistan and I was amazed, and shocked, and stunned when the chatter began about Iraq. I’ve had a lot of cons talk to me about it, and this and that, but it burns and I think it always will. Don’t confuse that with not being hella glad Saddam is gone. At least in my case.

Be as upset about the war as you want.
The reality is, though, you can’t choose *both* a Saddam-free Iraq and no Iraq war.

Maybee
You cant choose both not true there were other ways to get Saddam out of Iraq we did not have to Invade or Start the War when are you people going to come to realize the reasons Bush Started that war
Revenge for daddy
Oil

The reality is, though, you can’t choose *both* a Saddam-free Iraq and no Iraq war.
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Oh please. There were a lot of choices along the way, but I suppose if you see the world always along the lines of yes or no, black or white, good or evil, this or that, lib or con, war done the way it was done or status quo as it was back then, you’re right.

There were a lot of choices along the way
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I guess I’m not remembering a lot of successful proposals between 1991 and 2003.
But ok, I’m sure there was some non-controversial thing that would have turned out exactly the way we wanted it to, and everyone here and in Iraq would have been happy.

MayBee
What nation did all the 911 highjackers come from ?
What nation does most of the US oil suppy minus canada come from ?
So the only option left is to go after Bin Laden in Afganistain.
What country does Afgainistain and Iraq share boaders with ?
The next war…

Nice snark, but note non-controversial is your term, not mine.
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Ok, so we’re back at a controversial solution that had not yet come about, but would have at some point gotten rid of Saddam and left Iraq with a new, more democratic government.

sallyride:People in Iraq are not ‘happy’ about what happened.
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They weren’t happy for decades under Saddam. They weren’t happy under the crippling sanctions. They aren’t you say, happy now.
But the other thing that could have been done would have made them happy.

It’s the end of an era with the passing of Sen. Edward Moore Kennedy. May he eternally rest in peace alongside his brothers.
Obama doesn’t appear to be “mourning” the loss of his “friend” and major endorser (even though the Kennedy endorsement had little effect coming just before Super Tuesday primaries in 08 when Hillary won ALL of the major states handily and should be our President). Weird. As reported on ABC Obama “continues his vacation today (yesterday), going out for lunch and posing for photos”. Huh?
Obama appeared cold and lacking in feeling as he spoke of his “friend” Sen. Ted Kennedy’s passing today in comparison to Biden who seemed genuinely upset. Obama didn’t appear to be “heartbroken”. Strange and interesting. I don’t see Obama giving a very heartfelt eulogy for Teddy, someone else should speak from the heart.
Teddy made a huge mistake in betraying the brilliant Clintons for the unqualified Obama. Teddy’s judgment was not always the best…
Thank you Teddy for a lifetime of public service. I was a Kennedy volunteer in the 1980 Kennedy Presidential campaing. It was audacious for Ted to try to take down a sitting President of his OWN party in 1980 and lead to Pres. Carter’s eventual defeat to Reagan. Wow. Ted accomplished many good things but did many bad things as well. The same notorious womanizer and boozer Teddy helped bring us Title 9, ADA, and SCHIP and No Child Left Behind with Bush. He was a man of contradictions personally and professionally.
Teddy lived a life of privledge and tragedy on a scale most of us will never experience.
May God forgive him his sins and Bless Him for his good works. May God rest his soul.
Condolences to his family
and may their beautiful Catholic faith sustain them in this time of great sorrow. Peace, all

“Teddy made a huge mistake in betraying the brilliant Clintons for the unqualified Obama.”
Obama was smart enough to bring the Clintons in under his tent and is currently using their brilliance. Kennedy was astute enough to recognizes this.
Kennedy was right – Obama won the election and he has brought the Clintons into his administration.

Kennedy convinced other supporters of a single-payer system to join him in compromising on a public option within the insurance reform bill instead.
Without Kennedy, who is going to convince single-payer advocates to back the public option compromise?
Bsucus won’t even back that, even though he says he wants it.
Best to just throw away the Senate Finance Committee, and work on the other four bills, or just vote in favor of 676 instead.

“Obama “won” the election under false pretenses, and has gone on to betray everything on which Kennedy’s endorsement was based.”
Nonsense . .. . as usual.

You realize that like arguing the Holocaust needed to happen so Israel could come to be don’t you?
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Are you kidding?

Saddam was a horrible leader, Ryan. Who tortured his people, gassed them, salted their fields, drained their swamps, put them in mass graves, raped them as punishment, allowed his son to torture their National soccer team.
It wasn’t a holocaust going on there, but it was a humanitarian catastrophe.
And you say going in to remove that leader is like arguing *for* the Holocaust? It’s like arguing for stopping it, even though that means war.

“Saddam was a horrible leader, Ryan. Who tortured his people, gassed them, salted their fields, drained their swamps, put them in mass graves, raped them as punishment, allowed his son to torture their National soccer team.”
Most of which was done decades ago.
The Iraq war was not about human rights. It was about the threat posed to this country.
Human rights is the window dressing.
“And you say going in to remove that leader is like arguing *for* the Holocaust? It’s like arguing for stopping it, even though that means war.”
You are arguing that the end result could only come about in one way as horrible as it was.
Though I should prob just stick to the rule of not using the Holocaust in any comparison.

Will TOTUS be at the funeral, too?

“Most of which was done decades ago [torture]??” and….”Human rights is just window dressing??” Sounds like the new liberal is the old conservative…WOW, how insensitive can you possibly get…”
Who’s insensitive?
You pretending you give a fig about the Iraqi people or me giving an honest assessment that the US does do humanitarian war?

“You pretending you give a fig about the Iraqi people or me giving an honest assessment that the US does do humanitarian war?”
-Or- YOU pretending to know what anyone else thinks. Your prejudices are showing.

Since Mr. Obama took office, millions have lost their jobs. Millions are facing foreclosure on their homes.
And what is he doing? Well, first he passed a pork-laden stimulus package that failed. Then he persuaded congress to waste its time on a nutball cap-and-trade program that is going nowhere.
Now he wants to interfere with the health care arrangements of every American. Why is our president doing this to us? Is this what we Hoped for?

The Move to Depopulate the Planet
Stephanie R. Pasco
Infowars
August 27, 2009
As of the Codex Alimentarius (CA) implementation date of 12/31/09, if there were a famine anywhere in the world, it will be illegal to send any high nutrient density biscuits. Or to distribute them!!
“The U.N. has put out dozens of reports calling for an 80% reduction in population (most put the number at 90%). At the 1997 Women’s World Conference in Beijing, the head of the U.N. Food Program said, “We will use food as a weapon against the people.””

“I don’t know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, “have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?” That is just the most amazing thing. It’s not that he didn’t feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.”
Ed Klein, NY Times

A proven lie that never seems to die:
‘Saddam had been targeted by Clinton et al. for years. “Regime change” was on the menu, and Saddam’s throwing out the inspectors was the silver-plated invitation we needed.’
–Washington Post 12/17/98:
“Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, inanticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night.”