Palin Renews False ‘Death Panel’ Charge

Of course, Palin has lost what little mind she ever had.
As a Holier-than-Thou, lunatic fringe, Christian Extremist……..someone should ask Sarah the ol’ WWJD question. Would Jesus lie as Palin does? Geez, Sarah……….you don’t think God ain’t gonna git ya’ for all this nonsense?

Okay everyone, settle down, and don’t be so jealous of Sarah……she’s gonna be around for a long time! LOL

“Okay everyone, settle down, and don’t be so jealous of Sarah…..”
LOL, who in the world would be jealous of a loser? You may have fantasies about this woman, but normal people think she’s a fruitcake.

her politcal career is over after her bizzare behavior over the pas t few months….she is clearly angling for a “Glenn Beck” type show…where she does not have to have any real education or depth on issues.
if so, god help our country…she’ll get the nutjobs all riled up, and tragedy is sure to follow.
She will be nearly as dangerous, as if she had became VP.

One can only hope Palin will go far, far away. She was annoying on the campaign trail with her whiney, maverick-y tone……and she’s only gotten more so. Seriously, she needs to go into hiding. She’s an embarrassment and a moron.

Only her uneducated beloved followers in the GOP will continue to believe the crap she says.

yikes

Sarah Palin is nothing more than a pot stirrer.

Only teh uneducated beloved follwers of the dems can still stand up for lies and false that comes out of their mouths. The change we can believe in is ruining our country and you still believe them. Palin is the most honest politian in decades, that is your problem with her. The bill has not been finalized and there are many versions out there. How the hell are you going to give healthcare to everyone without raising taxes? Easy, you don’t call it a tax. You are falling for it hook line and sinker, just like unemployment will not go over 8.5%. It is still rising. where is the outrage in that! Read the bills, understand the bills beofr they are passed. don’t forget, politians are supposed to represent the people that elected them. If we complain, we do so because we are being stabbed in the back, and they want to hide.

The inmates are running the Republican asylum right now. And the press treats their insane, paranoid and deluded rantings as if it’s dealing with sane, well adjusted people.

As an expat living in England I am embarrassed by the new s coverage of Sarah Palin and the angry mobs.
Surely in the interest and direction of the country I believe the media needs to get serious about the critical times in which we live and deliver on that basis.

I used to brush off Palin as simply crazy, but this latest statement %$@#@ me off.
I volunteered at a hospice and later, when I was a graduate student helped a gerontologist conduct interviews with terminally ill veterans at a VA hospital. It was heart breaking to hear about how these people felt so ignored by their doctors and families when it came to end-of-life care! All they wanted was to die with dignity and not be a burden on their families—so inforamtion about living wills and DNR orders NEED to be brought up. A provision that offers this on a voluntary basis is important, and in the greater health care bill not even a big issue.
Dear Lord, protect us from the slimey ignorance that is Sarah Palin.

She is absolutely certifiable – as in crazy as a loon. Anybody that doesn’t see that is as nutty as she is. Even though everything out of her freak mouth is a blatant lie, I almost wish it were true – AND SHE WAS FIRST IN LINE! She should be put down!

When are you guys going to realize that you are losing this debate? Sarah Palin has outsmarted you again because she has now framed the debate and you are buying into it. She is the center of the discussion, not Obama or the congressional leaders and the media by publicizing her statments is elevating her to the front of the health care issue. How dumb you guys are! You deserve the falling ratings you are getting!

I do not think this bill will pass with this in it but Palin is correct it does state that you will need this if you or over 60 and have a health condition. Sorry ABC you are wrong on this one.

Wheres the tweet ,I read the tweet and it makes a case. Its like when dems make the case about theres nothing in the bill about abortion of course when they tried to make an amendment to the bill saying you couldnt have us pay for abortions. It was not put in just because Its not there doesnt mean it wont be.If you listen to obamas advisors and czars many of them support giving pills to old people because old people eat up money at their end of life. Why else would they want end of life talks?If not to get them to get on hospice the panel that some people call death panels will be made after the bill passes then they will make the rules so the question is do you trust the panel the libs will make?

Palin is a private citizen … if people don’t care what she says, why is the media constantly scoping out her facebook page and reporting every little thing she says?
Fact is, any report on Palin is bound to get the Palin-bashers wound up. They sign onto message boards like this one, post nasty insults (which for some reason fills a sad void in their own little lives) and ABC smiles, because more people visiting the website makes their advertisers happy.

Sarah Palin is only DANGEROUS to the far left and they know it. And as we all know ABC NBC CBS FOX CNN are all in bed with the far left for some unknown reason.

I think she had better learn the facts before she opens up her mouth.
She could handle her job and resigned, yet she has the audicity to criticize others who are trying to help us.
She is part of the problem with the Republicans. We had Bush for 8 years and look where we’re at.

Any model of the UK NHS, will have a degree of denial of services for the elderly. that is a fact, not fiction.
While the UK is not appreciating those comparisons, I have followed their own media for some time, and there is no doubt that is happening.

Palin discovered that the TEN COMMANDMENTS contains no prohibition against LYING, so she’s just “FOLLOWING THE BIBLE!”

There’s an explosion of extremist rage in America — a backlash to Obama’s election and to the progress we’re making toward social justice and tolerance. These groups and their allies traffic in bizarre conspiracy theories — like the claim that Obama is not really a U.S. citizen and that he wants to euthanize senior citizens.
The Department of Homeland Security has recently warned that right-wing extremists currently pose the No. 1 threat of domestic terrorism.
The loudmouth conservative platform drivers [coulter, beck, limbaugh, gingrich, palin...] are firing up their followers.
They are dangerous.

It is my understanding… and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong here… but I saw that the “end-of-life” section in this bill was created by the Republicans. So I am sure Sara is back paddling very quickly.

We all need to stay informed so that we can fight back against this rising tide of extremism.
Remember to speak out against hate and intolerance in your community.

A thought has just occured to me. When my 16 yeard old got his drivers license recently, he had to indicate if he wanted to be an organ doner. Is this not the same knid of “death panel” Palin is referring to? All the bill is doing is encourging people to think about these things before that catastrophic event occurs that renders you unable to communicate. Good grief.

Sarah Palin – Gods gift to the Democrats!
Palin/Bachman 2012!

Why are doctors going to be paid for counseling dying patients about medical options? Don’t doctors already do this type of counseling? What concern is being addressed by this part of the health plan? How will this help people, or reduce the health care costs?

Jenny, I believe she is referring to the panel who would decide exactly who receives those organs if there are more people in need of the organs then there are organs available, how should organs be distributed when they become available …. on a first-come-first-serve basis, or should some other criteria be used to determine who is most worthy to receive it?
It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about organs, antibiotics or flu shots, these are the tough choices many countries grapple with when there are not enough basic medical services to go around. That’s what she was referring to, not the bill.

The fact she actually said what she said and she possibly believes it, hard to believe she was a governor of a state – any state! This woman needs psychiatric help.

Didnt this fruit loop tell the Media when she quit her job in the name of our troops quit making things up? jeez cant this airhead pratice what she preaches what a complete insane joke this airhead is!

I believe that most of you liberal so called “educated” demcrates are brainwashed!
My fervent prayer is that Sarah Palin is the next President of the United States.

Sarah, honor a soldier, quit making stuff up!

Wish the Dems had cool spokespersons like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck….BAWWHAWWWW

SC -c As someone already pointed out these panels exist already. It is called Insurance companies. Ever see “The Rainmaker” buddy. If the insurance comapnies do not get you then your age, your past addictions and just about anything else will come into play when deciding who does and does not recieve care. Do you think that the guy who pickled his liver in alchol should recieve a new one? Should an 85 year old man recieve a new heart or should that 25 years old man? Can the pateint survice the surgary? Why put a liver into some opne who will die on the table?

Robert wrote: “I do not think this bill will pass with this in it but Palin is correct it does state that you will need this if you or over 60 and have a health condition. Sorry ABC you are wrong on this one.”
What makes you think these consultations would be mandatory? I have asked several times on these blogs for you folks to PLEASE provide the page and line numbers from HR 3200 that support your claims. Not a single response to my requests yet.

The Terri Schiavo case informed our nation just how important documenting end of life choices can be. My 74 year old mom was in tears that if something happened leaving her brain dead that doctors could keep her body alive indefinitely. Everytime this comes up in the news she pleads with me again to be sure it doesn’t happen to her.

Yes there is a cash insentive….payment for services. Right now Dr do this same job, many people need help at this time in thier lives, if they don’t have anyway to know what is happeneing and are worried they need help. Why do you think this is wrong it is part of the end of a persons life. If they live long enough they will need help to die well; not just taking what is thrown at them.Dr need to be paid for thier time for heaven sake this simply says they will get paid for thier time. That is what is wrong right now. This is part of trying to make things better. I swear it is like trying to talk to a wall you have it in your head this women is right and nothing will ever make you see differently. I just wonder why you have this mind set on this issue.

What I find curious is that Republicans claim to love America, yet clearly can’t stand American’s.

To Trent @ 12:43
“Rick Klein shows his bias in not only the title of his blog but also his omission of the cash incentive for doctors to hold such end of life counseling. Why should the government intrude into a family issue.”
Cash incentive? It’s called getting paid for a consultation. Please tell me what is wrong with a doctor counseling their patient on end of life issues and getting paid for it? And on your last point about government intrusion, how did you feel when the Republicans made politics out of Terri Schaivo?

All of this because we wanted change because we elected good people to help us get it and all this because we had the nerve to think it could happen. Whats next the over throw of this government. I really think we need to look sharply at people who put stuff like this out there to rile up crazies country wide. What does this get us? What on earth is wrong with this women?

I actually read the sections of the bill that are being distorted by Palin and nowhere is there a referenced to a “death panel.” As many have said already, the insurance companies make those decisions right now – every single day they deny coverage for this procedure or that procedure based on some unknow reason. Why isn’t Palin screaming and pitching a fit about that?
The end-of-life discussions are truly getting blown out of proportion. It is something that every adult should do – let one’s doctor and family know what they want done or not done when they are no longer able to communicate those wishes. I had that conversation with my doctor in my early 40s. Not everyone is aware of living wills, healthcare power of attorneys or in-home hospice care. As we age, we need to deal with these things.

Obama should actually be thanking Sarah Palin because while so many of his ardent supporters are outraged over her comments, they’ve completely ignored the lies he has told. I actually wonder if Obama and Palin are secretly in cahoots to distract the media from Obama’s “mistruths.”

Sarah’s looking for a new job, right? Okay. Death Panel consultant – government pay.

Gibbs was torn to shreds in today’s press conference by the media. There has been a change in America. We no longer believe in Obama or the Democrats.

I am beyond anger with that woman. I was a caregiver to 2 very special family members dealing with terminal cancer and we had “the discussion” concerning DNRs and living wills and all of the last wishes. This is normal and responsible to do before hand. Sarah Palin should seriously consider reading the full bill in its entirety or hire someone to interpret for her to get the facts before she stirs up any more trouble and cause more embarrassment to the party and my fellow citizens. Am I the only party member honest enough to say she does not speak for me nor does she represent my party philosophy? Can we please do better and be more honest with the needs of this country? Can we please solve the issues ahead of us in a bipartisan fashion of compromise? Honesty is the key here folks, what a concept!

It’s not a stretch to see that portion of the LIB bill and see where they are headed. Where exactly are all these medicare cuts that obama promises going to come from? Grandma who is 85 and sick is the easy answer. The LIBS want to “counsel” grandma right out of that expensive dialysis. Funny how the LIBS all of a sudden trust this corrupt government

I wish Palin and all these purposefully obstructionist town hallers would read the news about people waiting hours in Inglewood, CA for free medical care provided by RAM. Everyday Americans, are hurting and need coverage now. If town hallers’ excuse for their behavior is cost concern, their stall tactics don’t make the price tag cheaper. As someone with a kid who will need lifelong care, Palin should really know better.

“Plain-spoken” is a term of endearment that republicans throw around that I never understood. While I genuinely appreciate someone able to make their point without resorting to 10-syllable PhD vocabulary drills, the term is usually reserved with pride, for the politicians with the least desire or motivation to think before they speak. Sarah Palin seems to go out of her way to make outlandish comments with no bearing in truth, after what I can only assume is intense research within the field of ‘color by numbers’.
Why on Earth do some look to people like this for leadership, it’s beyond me. I look forward to the day that Sarah Palin goes the way of New Coke.

What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and a pit bull? The pit bull knows there are no death panels. And also, the pit bull knows when to give it up. Give it up, Sarah. You are looking more ignorant and dangerous every day.

Palin-Gingrich ‘Death Panel’ statements. This proves my claim that the GOP bailed out all the insane aylum detainees! There are two schizophrenic-paranoids on the loose!!

Can we unplug Sarah?

Again… ABC news is Anti Palin. What else would you write here?

So–Palin is up to it again–is she? What is it this time? Is she trying to delude/empower/implore AARP/medicare recipients to resist government sponsored health care programs at all costs.

I’m in favor of creating wills, and in creating living wills and designating powers of attorney—but if this living will benefit could be stricken from the bill, maybe the public could actually talk about important matters.
If people can just keep their doctors and relatives guessing when they are unable to speak for themselves, maybe the discussions as to what the average citizen wants in the rest of the public health option — maybe that could go forward with productive discussions.
Just strike it from the bill.

Sarah Palin is a blooming idiot, that is not new. What blows my mind is that some people actually believe she is intelligent.

Jim—the counseling is in order to put ‘in writing’ aka ‘living will’ what the person’s wishes are. As it is now, most patients, when they are too sick or or in a coma–they make their relatives and doctors guess what kind of medical interventions they desire. If the patient could put in writing that they wish every possible heroic effort possible at sustaining life, such as feeding tubes, artificial respirators, etc. then the doctors and relatives know that that is what is needed. How many times did you hear the Schiavo’s arguing about what Teri’s wishes were. Nobody had them in writing. P.S. Living wills are not just for the elderly, we should all have them.

Every body know by now Sara Palin is a very sick person that have an education level of a 5 year old to believe in something as sick as the Death Panel.

She was quite up until Grassley brought it back up and supported her claim and he is starting to look just as nutty as Sara Palin. We all see where this is heading. The Repubicans need to be a shame of themself trying to scare the uneducated and the elders.

She is a very dangerous and evil woman standing behind the falsehood of Christianity. She hates Obama so much and is so crazed with jealously that she is not sitting where he is sitting that she will do anything she can to destroy him, his credibility and even his physical welfare by inciting others to carry out her destructive plan for her. What a lunatic. And there are people out there that actually want to see her as President. What a scary idea. This woman is so vindictive and out of control.

cara–i don’t know where you “volunteered”–but you are giving out completely false information–SP is only telling the truth–Govt mandated systems are especially hard on handicapped and infirm people–the push gets even harder on families to “let them go”. You people should be ashamed–it is not up to people to decide who should live or die. When it is your turn to be “appraised” you may change your mind. It may come sooner than you think.

This woman is a danger to herself….She has broken all the rules in the book and still the press covers her.
A daughter preg not back in school her son in Iraq just to get rid on him before the election,why???A crook, a liar, a user that should be made to pay back all the monies owed Alaska .

Sarah Palin is standing by her discredited charge – “You see waht you want to see and your hear what you want to here” The Rock Man.

How do you control costs?

If you think that government systems are hard on the infirm and handicapped, what do you think of the private insured systems?
What if, heaven forbid, you might need to buy insurance but you have that dreaded pre-existing condition?
Private insurers are only for the independently wealthy individuals that don’t really need to worry about how much they have to pay out of their own pockets.

How do you control costs?
Posted by: Aaron | Aug 13, 2009 3:49:05 PM
That is simple. You ration health care. Health care is a $0 cost for the healthy. It’s all those ugly sick folks that run the cost up.
Does anyone really believe that the Government can reduce health care costs without reducing health care? If you do, I got some oceanfront property to sell ya – in Arizona.

“Why are we Democrats so afraid of her.”
Not afraid, just beyond annoyed. If she was qualified to be VP, so was I (& I’m not qualified)
“Why should the government intrude into a family issue”
Government would not be intruding. They are simply stating that the cost of end of life counseling would be covered by the health insurance. If the insurance companies chose to, they could also cover this counseling.
“The Republican ammo is and always has been to repeat a lie over and over until it becomes accepted as the truth by their faithful yet uneducated followers”
Yes, & they won’t let anyone else get a word in ….. they just keep talking & yelling you into the ground not to mention nitpicking. Example: You would not believe how many emails I’ve rec’d that think they have proven the truth about the birth certificate. How can intelligent people spend their time on such a totally off the wall issue.
I think the health care debate could be a wonderful thing & people could actually find out exactly what’s going on, but a very vocal minority want to stir things up & keep people confused & unsure. It’s a sad state of affairs.

Posted by: Explorer65 | Aug 13, 2009 12:46:53 PM – posted “why should the government intrude into a family issue?”
a) The government is NOT “intruding” – in keeping with your conservative values, physicians who take the time to provide this service for their patients should be paid for it. Don’t you think that’s fair?
b) End-of-Life counseling is NOT simply a “family issue”. Some elderly people don’t have family, others are only comfortable talking about health issues with their doctor, and not all family members are knowledgeable about Living Wills. Have you discussed a Living Will with your doctor?
A physician is a perfect resource to help explain our end of life medical choices. It’s a positive for everyone: Doctors are paid for their time, patients can understand the options, and family can be assured they are following the patient’s wishes.
AND, our health care costs are contained by not forcing people at end of life into expensive medical procedures they do not desire.

Oooooh, listen to the Democrats all worried about Sarah’s political future. She’d better take heed of what they say.

Mike posted “Only teh uneducated ”
Not the brightest way to start off there, Mike.
Mike also said “…Palin is the most honest politian in decades, that is your problem with her.”
Why is it that Palin supporters always have to TELL us what our problem is with Palin? “You’re jealous”, “You’re afraid of her..” and now we hate her for her honesty? The most honest politician I’ve ever seen is Ron Paul. Palin isn’t even close!
Now, I will TELL you why I don’t like her. She possesses average, if not a little below average, intelligence. She spews total nonsense most of the time and people like YOU eat it up.
Okay. Let’s see if she IS being truthful. You show me in the bill where they have death panels! Put up or shut up! Here’s a hint -> it is in section 1233. Show me the death panels. She says it is in there, so it can’t be too hard to show me. If you can’t then both her and YOU are not telling the truth.

Sarah Who…. please take your medicine. You must have missed a dose today. Nut.

Oh, excellent! With even mainstream Republicans trying to correct her attempts to contact the mother ship, the hardcore fellow wack-jobs are still with her. Way to go Sarah, split that right-wing vote!

If 80% of health care cost come at the last 6 months of life. The democrats say this plan will control health care cost. Since most of the cost are at the back end of life what ever the democrates call the panel in the end it will be a death panel

SChaos1701 posted “Here’s your “panel”. Call it what you will, but they recommend what services you will receive.”
Hey, look here. SChaos1701 search the text of the bill and found the word Panel, so it must be true! Never mind that it is in a totally different section. Never mind that somebody has to run this thing and make decisions about what is and what is not covered. The word “panel” IS in the bill, so Palin must be right!

I just came from Sarah Palin’s FaceBook notes named “Concerning the “Death Panels”". I thought it was interesting that she never provided any evidence that there is a “Death Panel”. It was basically a bunch of quotes she gathered to prove that the present government is not interested in helping the elderly and the only objective of the health care bill is to cut costs. Even if her conclusion is true based on these limited quotes, she still hasn’t explained where “Death Panels” is part of this bill or any other bill being considered by the federal government.

We should be cheering Sarah’s lunatic comments on. Afterall, she is apparently representative of mainstream Republicans, which as we all know have become the new flat earth society.

If we could find a way to buy Sarah Palin for what she is worth and then sell her for what she thinks she is worth, then I think we should have enough money to get free insurance for everybody.

No Common Sense in DC posted “Does anyone really believe that the Government can reduce health care costs without reducing health care? If you do, I got some oceanfront property to sell ya – in Arizona.”
No, but do you really think the insurance companies are looking out for you? Did you know that in 1993 95% of the premium you paid to the insurance company went to pay medical bills while the remaining 5% was for administration costs and profits. Do you know where it is today? It is close to 80% for medical needs, close to 20% for administration and PROFIT! How did they go from 95% to 80%? By denying claims, by finding mistakes on the claims for so that they can just drop you, or by raising prices so high for certain groups that they stop their coverage. The government is incompetent, insurance companies only care about profits and can be down right evil at times.

I agree with countless others here that you media folks are either getting suckered in by Palin or are giving her all the publicity because you figure it sells. On the other hand, she is, despite claims of others, no fool. She is a dangerous demagogue and to ignore her simply allows festering of the worst kind: as such, she needs to be brought out into the light of day so we can see her for what she truly is. A bit of a dilemma here!

Because the President and ABC news says its a false statement, I am to take their word for it. That is hilarious.
I have no trust in our media or our President at this point.

The reason people are afraid of Palin is because most American’s like shiny objects and she is one. She says the earth revolves around the sun and millions will believe. That’s why we are afraid. People are studip. Yes, stupid and they listen to anyone who is talking. She is a sham and I wish that she would just go away.
Sarah, you don’t want your baby to be the target of backlash, then don’t put him infront of the cameras. And Sarah, when you get downs syndrome removed from the disablility list that allows you to receive special education money then I’ll back off. But while I’m paying for your childs education I will certainly say that he should not get a better education than those who can become productive members of society. Very few, if any downs babies, can carry 40 hour jobs that don’t require my tax dollars to take care of them as adults.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If we can pay for that babies medical bills forever, then we can handle some uninsured. She is a moron! God help us if she is around in 2012.

I guess you have to be a far left liberal to get your thoughts on this blog. ABC news does not want anyone disagreeing with them.

I HOPE SHE RUNS IN 2012!!!!!!! SHE IS SO BRILLIANT AND TALENTED.

“Never mind that somebody has to run this thing and make decisions about what is and what is not covered.”
The fact that you trust the same govenrment that brought you the United States Post Office to do this, is what I find most disturbing of all. At least the corporations can’t steal my money unless I participate. With the government it won’t matter if I participate or not, they’re still going to steal my money to pay for it.

It’s a sad sign of the times that stupidity and paranoia are glorified over intelligence and logic by so many people in our country. What other than party politics could induce so may people to admire such a vacuous, insipid human being? Nobody is jealous of her. Nobody hates her for any virtues she might posess. She is disliked because she is an insult to the collective intelligence of our nation.

“It’s as if the Golden Rule has been transformed to the Golden Screw – I got mine so who cares if you don’t.”
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And you could call Palin “the Golden Shrew?”

So funny reading all the hate, the self righteous (yet bumper sticker thick quality) comments against Palin.
Oh yeah, the Death Panel provisions were dropped today from the bill.
Or as US News and World Report stated, “Palin was Right”
But you all just keep telling each other you worn out cliches about her.
It’s really funny.

Aaron posted “The fact that you trust the same govenrment that brought you the United States Post Office to do this, is what I find most disturbing of all.”
What do you have against the United States Post Office? They have been profitable for decades. It is only recently (2006 or 2007) when they started having problems and the problems were NOT caused by them.
I’m not 100% on this bill, but I’m starting to think maybe it won’t be a bad idea. You don’t like taking part in it, fine. You don’t like your tax dollar going for it? Oh well. I hate my tax dollar going for a needless war in Iraq , or for building bridges to nowhere, but there is little I can do about it.
Maybe they should give people who have their own insurance a tax break. Write your representatives about it.

Tim in Phoenix posted “Oh yeah, the Death Panel provisions were dropped today from the bill.”
How is that possible when there weren’t any Death Panels in the first place? Do you mean they took out the provision that would pay for end-of-life consoling every 5 years? They took that out?
I guess the insurance companies are winning again.

How did this woman ever get elected governor of anything? I know people in Alaska are cold most of the year but have their brains frozen solid?
John McCain continues to insist he put her on the ticket because she was the most qualified candidate for Vice President. McCain has also gone a bit soft in the head if he really believes that.

To the poster who said “why should government interfere in a family issue”, that is the first time I have ever heard that encouraging patients to discuss difficult but necessary issues with their Dr is “interfering in a family issue”. By that logic why should police arrest men who beat their wives or their children? After all, that’s a “family issue”. I get the feeling that people think there’s going to be a HHS employee sitting in the room with the Dr and the patient giving poker signs to the Dr as to what to say. These comments and attitudes border on the insane. I feel like I fell asleep and woke up in bizzaro world where people want to actively fight to prevent getting the same promise of healthcare that countries like England and Australia have enjoyed for decades. The only reasonable objection, the _only_ one, is that it might cost too much. Anything other than that is just fear mongering, plain and simple.

I think Sarah is the only one who will face that panel – that’s what I read, anyway! Poor Sarah, Rush has got to stop lying to/teasing her.
It is really time for people with their minds intact who are not prone to lying to have the serious discussions about health care.
Hugs, Mom

sarah plain’s idea of health care reform and to save money was charging victims personally for their evidence collecting rape kits back in wasilla. the state of alaska was so embarrassed by these practices they had to pass a state law banning the practice. her hand picked police chief was very vocal in the local newspaper about his opposition to the bill and she didnt care. they wanted to continue to charge rape and molestation victims personally.
it’s hilarious to see her faking concern for others now. she is the most phony politician i have ever seen.

@Kent | Aug 13, 2009 6:32:04 PM
Just has to be one of more sensible posts here. That’s for explaining it to the people.
If people want proof, Google “Bill Moyers Journal” and go to his PBS page.
Click Archive and then select the story “Wendell Potter — Profits or Patients”
Wendell Potter was the head of P.R. for a large insurance company. He talks about the things that he knows are going on (because he use to do them) by the Insurance companies to 1) stop any government health care 2) discredit anyone who speaks in favor of government health care 3) how they screw people out of benefits to make more profits.
I keep trying to get people to watch this. It really is an eye opener.

this woman is one nutcase pitbull

“What do you have against the United States Post Office? They have been profitable for decades. It is only recently (2006 or 2007) when they started having problems and the problems were NOT caused by them.”
Nothing actually, it was Obama that brought them up. But when they have problems what do they do? They raise prices. When nationalized health care has problems what are they going to do? Raise prices in the form of higher taxes I will have to pay weather I like it or not.

She should just lie about things like Obama does. He says surgeons will amputate people’s limbs if they’re diabetic because they’ll get $30K, when in fact they get around $700. He says the AARP supports his bill, but a) they never said that, and b) Obama doesn’t even have a frickin’ bill. There are 5 bills in Congress right now and he won’t choose any one of them so that he can respond to questions about specifics by saying “that’s not necessarily the bill that I’ll sign.” He won’t take leadership on anything and then he wonders why he’s losing the debate on this. Campaign tactics that worked on Hillary Clinton and John McCain, when pulled on the American citizen who has every right to question his ability to do this (considering how wrong he was with Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, and a variety of otehr things), look like bullying tactics. He’ll lose the House in 2010 and he’ll be outta there in 2012. Thank goodness.

…and had America not wanted change so badly, she would be making these easily fact checked (not to mention WRONG) accusations from the Vice President’s Desk. yikes!

Just remember liberals…..
Obama is a PROVEN LIAR!!!
YAHTZEE!!

Mike: How is Palin the most honest when several organizations have checked the facts and said her statements are completely false?!?

Faurtz8
That also is true but here is the point I was trying to make and I admit I wasn’t clear on this. If I don’t want to use their services I don’t have to and it doesn’t cost me anything. If I don’t want to participate in government health care, Obama says I don’t have to. Fine but I bet he won’t let me out of paying for it will he. Heck no!
And when it starts to have problems I’ll have to pay the higher and higher and higher taxes as well.

With no respect whatsoever to her, the ONLY thing that portion of the bill did was allow the insurance to PAY for the type of dr visit that happens every day in this country already. The government has nothing to do with it otherwise. Sarah Palin IS a dangerous woman, in that she encouraged vitriolic lies and actions during the campaign, and is continuing to do so now. She set this current tone last year which is becoming more and more nasty. If she had any decency at all, she would use that word salad that she is good for and dampen down the rhetoric. The Reps have lost all credibility.

Potatoegator22: Your have no idea what you speak of. The govt (medicare) already covers hip replacements!!! I see and work with these patients everyday at the hospital I work at!

Well, Palin’s stupid but at least she’s committed.
And probably should be.
Yup, death panels, it’s her story and she’s sticking to it.

I bet Todd Palin’s pretty happy about all of this, though.
Before she became famous, she did all of her babbling to him alone.
One man can only take so much…..

I guess the Repubs have scared their poor little selves silly with all this death panel hysteria.
Until recently, I never would have guessed that stupidity is actually contagious.

Rick, convenient that you ignore the main point -
THE SENATE HAS DROPPED THE DEATH PANEL PROVISION – BECAUSE OF SARAH PALIN
Sarah can write one post on facebook and make Obama look the fool. What does that say about Obama’s ability. Sarah Palin continues to show that she is the odds on favorite to take the presidency away from Obama in 2012. By the way, Obama’s approval fell to 47% today. I guess “hope and change” has become “incompetence and fearmongering” and the American people will not put up with it.

Jenn posted “Sarah can write one post on facebook and make Obama look the fool.”
For the 2nd time, Obama isn’t writing this; the senate is. And it is a pity how your hero has to stoop to outright LIES. And you’re proud of that?
BTW, if Sarah is so bright, why isn’t she in the White House instead of Obama?

Jenn posted ” I guess “hope and change” has become “incompetence and fearmongering” ”
Yes Jenn, Obama’s “hope and change” lost to Palin’s “incompetence and fear mongering” ”
You display all the joy of a little boy pulling the wings off a butterfly.

I wonder what piece of the healthcare bill will become the subject of Sarah Palin’s next article. I will guess she that she will go after the public option. That is even scarier than a government panel deciding who will get healthcare and who won’t.

Jenn posted “She will be in 2012 if her ability to destroy a major povision in the healthcare bill with on article is any indication.”
Gee, I KNEW you were going to say that. And it is possible. After all idiots like YOU got G.W.Bush in twice.
So, tell us again, where in the bill did it mention death panels? Or are LIES your only weapon.

Faurtz8, Ezekial Emannuel sure makes them sound like death panels. You can be mad at Sarah Palin for putting focus on these provisions but it was Obama and his fellow Democrats that foolishly added this to the bill.
If it performs the same function as a death panel, if it is making life and death decisions like a death panel, then I guess it is appropriate to call them death panels.
You should be happy today – Sarah Palin has killed the death panels before they were able to kill any of you relatives, or yourself, by denying healthcare.

I agree with President Obama that all these capricious doctors who cut off people’s feet and take out their tonsils so they can make thousands in fees are a big cause of high healthcare costs.
In the past few years America has witnessed an epidemic of innocent Americans robbed of their limbs just so their doctors can add room additions to their houses (God forbid your doctor owns a McMansion; you could lose an entire leg).
I see it more and more in my own neighborhood – one-legged people lining up at the deli section at Dierberg’s or hobbling to their seats at the local movie theatre. This is an outrage!
I’m so glad that President Obama drew attention to this growing problem in our midst. (And to those of you who say he’s throwing the medical profession under the bus, I have one thing to say to you – you’re a racist.)
Controlling these morally corrupt doctors is the first step in controlling costs. The second step, and far more important, is convincing our elderly relatives that living a long, long life is really not all it’s cracked up to be.
I totally support President Obama in his efforts to spread the wealth, and to spread the health. If you don’t agree, you must be a racist.

Kimber posted “Extremely liberal people like you ….”
BTW Kimber, I donated money can campaigned for Ron Paul last year.
I was originally 100% against the bill.
After doing some research on my own, I’m only 75% against it now. But people like YOU are convincing me that maybe there is something to this bill. The Insurance companies are running scared, paying millions to push their propaganda and YOU are proof of how effective they are.
There were NO DEATH PANELS in that bill. Yet here you are, post that there were.
How does it feel to be a puppet?

If the provision that Republican opponents of reform are focusing on is as unimportant as the Democrats claim it is then why don’t the Democrats just drop it? Don’t let the Republicans serve their corporate masters with scare tactics – make them them show that what they really oppose are curbs on the corporate extremism that has wrecked this country.

This bimbo, and I’ll repeat Bimbo is so airheaded she can’t remember the declaration she made on April 16, 2008 concerning her proclamation of Healthcare Decision Day for Alaskans.
In it she declares that all citizens are encouraged to talk to their doctors about end of life and to plan for it. Also to make an Advanced Directive OMG – she is talking about death panels!
What a bimbo – go read it – her own words are perfectly fine but when a blackman makes the same statement- the poor old white woman makes something else out it. Get educated or shutup

“About 15 years ago he did think rationing was necessary because of cost issues but he has come to change his mind. “The more I’ve looked into it the less I think it’s true,” he says. “We spend a lot of money and resources — hundreds of billions of dollars — for unnecessary care, care that doesn’t help patients,” and in some case might make them sicker by exposing them to hospital-acquired infections.” E. Emannuel
Sounds like Obama’s healthcare advisor was for rationing healthcare before he was against it. Do you really want to trust your healthcare to a bill that was crafted by a new “convert” to the novel idea that healthcare should not be rationed?
Thank you Sarah Palin for exposing this underhanded attempt to destroy our healthcare system and to put our lives on the line just so politicians can exercise more control over the people.

kimber, thanks to Sarah Palin, Advance Care Planning Consultations have become known as Death Panels. In HR 3200, these consultations are covered in section 1233, starting on page 424. These are consultations between a patient and his or her health care provider in which end-of-life topics such as living wills, powers of attorney, proxies, hospice, etc., are discussed. There is absolutely nothing in the wording to indicate that these consultations are mandatory.
A panel is a group of people. I could find nothing in section 1233 indicating involvement of a panel of any sort, be it of death, life, or game show variety. Only the individual’s provider is is involved in the consultation. Also, I found nothing in this section that in any way relates to Trig Palin, or his entitlement to health care. Would you, or any of the other believers in the alleged death panels, PLEASE copy and paste the exact passages from section 1233 that support your side of the argument. Thank you.

WWW asked “Would you, or any of the other believers in the alleged death panels, PLEASE copy and paste the exact passages from section 1233 that support your side of the argument. Thank you.”
Give it up WWW. You can’t argue logic with a parrot. I’ve been trying to get someone (including Kimber) to post anything. Kimber knew nothing about that part of the bill. Kimber blamed Obama and the Democrats until I pointed out a Republican put that into the bill.
You won’t get any honest posts for the likes of Kimber or the other ones because they KNOW they are defending a LIE and a LIAR (Palin).

Stop giving Sarah Palin news time!! I have extensively researched her last fall, and discovered many problems. This time her continued statements about “Obama Death Panel” is/has been proven untrue. What she is referring to is end of life planning and is a much needed and appreciated counseling coverage which will help everyone. No one likes to face their own mortality or the mortality of a family member. We need all the support and referrals we can get. We need to have someone help us know what is available for help. Legal documents need to be in place so our wishes are known and followed. We will always, alwys be able to choose. Let me state loud and clear no “death panel” exists in eihter bill.
I am 65, an RN, Republican, and medical coverage is extremely important to me. I am familiar with reading the legal aspects of bills, and quite knowledgeable of medical care after 30 years of employment.
Senate has just announced they have taken out any mandatory insurance benefit coverage for end of life counseling visits. Time will tell what happens to bill in congress, coverage is still in. Real reason Senate dropped – the “rumor mongrels” have frightened too many people with false statements. Lawmakers are listening to their constituents and they want to stay in office. Other claims that may be given will only be political stances on each side. Sadly some lawmakers , news media individuals, etc have purposely been scaring people with lies and untruthful facts. Why?? Can’t you guess??? Why these rumors, when end of life counseling is already being given. But visit session may not be covered. Why did poiticians start a scare for no reason at all???? Why did these individuals create a scare with lies???
Senators did hear the people. Deleting is fine with lawmakers, they aren’t affected as their medical coverage is quite good. WHY SHOULD THEY EVEN TRY! LAWMAKERS FEEL – OK, LET PEOPLE PAY THAT’S FINE WITH THEM.
Could you face an inevitable family mortality? Yes, there is no crystal ball available here to foresee what future will be for us.. Cost of my husband’s care was close to $1,000,000. We were lucky with double medical coverage, and only had to come up with $20,000+.
MY ADVICE BEFORE ANYONE MAKES REFORM HEALTH CARE PLAN CLAIMS – FIND OUT FOR SURE HOW WELL YOU ARE COVERED. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT COVERED AS WELL AS THEY THINK THEY ARE. IT IS HUMAN NATURE TO JUST ASSUME WE ARE. JUST IS FACT MANY MAY NOT BE. MOST WORK RELATED COVERAGE HAS BECOME LESS OVER THE YEARS. EMPLOYERS ARE CHOSING CHEAPER PLANS, OR MAKING WORKERS PAY MORE AND STILL CHOOSING CHEAPER PLANS. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN AWARE. DO CHECK – IF YOU HAVE NOT USED YOUR INSURANCE MUCH – YOU MAY NOT BE COVERED AS WELL AS YOU THINK. ARE YOU PREPARED AND MEDICALLY COVERED WELL FOR $1,000,000 TREATMENT CHARGES? CAN YOU AFFFORD TO PAY WHAT YOUR INSURANCE DOESN’T COVER?? PLEASE BE ADVISED MY HUSBAND’S TREATMENT ONLY WAS FOR SIX MONTHS. A CLOSE FRIEND WHO IS ALSO AN RN HAD TWINS WITH CLEFT PALATES – BILL FOR JUST ONE YEAR WAS OVER $2,000,000. THEY WERE FINE AS THEY HAD KAISER PERMANAENTE MEDICAL COVERAGE. BOTH GIRLS WERE REFERRED TO NATIONALLY TOP RANKED UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA MEDICAL CENTER IN SAN FRANCSICO FOR SURGERY. SURGERY WAS PAID BY KAISER AN HMO. GIRLS RECEIVED BEST MEDICAL CARE AVAILABLE. MY FRIEND SAID COUNSELING WAS EXCEPTIONABLE.
Everyone please calm down. Stop listening to just what people say. Read and analyze yourselves. We have political battle going on between the two parties. Many lies are being stated. All concerning people’s lives!! Sarah Palin is the worst!! I am so angry Sarah Palin used her own child, a handsome little boy with down syndrome to pander these lies for her own political gain!! And this is quite something coming from a Republican – right??? Can’t fool this Republican medical professional with lies!! And
“No” none of us in the old age group will have care restricted if reform plan is passed.

I personally don’t pay any attention to Palin but nevertheless there is too much un comprehensible stuff in both bills. None of the so called advocates have spell it out to the Nation.This hurry up push of the bill it to satisfy Ted Kennedy’s dream before he kicks the bucket.Too much government intrusion on our lives, more taxes, yes, that is correct, more taxes for every american men , women and children for many generations to come.The gov. cannot run a program without extracting more blood from the taxpayers period.From where anyone thinks the money is going to come from ? Ohh yeah, if you are happy with your plan you can keep it. really ? I heard Obama himself saying that the goal is to eliminate the insurance companies within 10 years on an interview in SF California. Those who live out of welfare want this bill to pass. Those working and paying taxes will not. Polls shows 49% against and 42 % for those pro the plan. It seems to me that the bill will be killed before 2010 but either way, Pelosi and Reid will pack their bags in 2010 and Obama’s reign will come to an end.

Sarah Palin is a reflection of what the GOP has become. The party of Lincoln has reversed the evolution process. They are counting on uneducated voters to stump while they create fear and panic. Nothing good has come out of the GOP in the last 20 years. It’s sad.

As ThinkProgress reports today, Sarah Palin was for end-of-life counseling before she was against it.
As governor, Palin declared April 16, 2008, “Healthcare Decisions Day,” signing a proclamation to “encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to … increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.”
An advance directive can be a living will, which describes the medical treatments you do or do not want at the end of life, or a power of attorney, which designates someone to make those decisions for you.
Palin has been railing against a provision in the House health care bill which would reimburse doctors for counseling patients about such advance directives. She says that provision really calls for a “death panel,” where government bureaucrats would decide who could get life-extending care based on their usefulness to society. This claim has been thoroughly debunked.

Irresponsible rants of a spot light seeking pseudo celebrity, nothing more. What is truly amazing is the wilfully ignorant people who lap up her partisan rhetoric like ice cream.

To be fair. The Note should acknowledge that Section 1233 is not limited to end of life discussions on living wills. It also says “limit some or all or specified
interventions” (like antibiotics, etc). It is about a dozen pages long and has complicated language.

James L, it would have made a lot more sense if you had not left out the wording from the referenced subparagraph: a medical order that “effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual.”
In other words, it’s the individual’s choice whether or not they want the antibiotics, artificially administered nutrition, hydration, etc. etc. (Think Terri Shaivo.) There is no evil Death Panel lying in wait to snuff out Grandma or poor little Trig. Sarah Palin is doing the lying to fan the flames of controversy and scare people.

Palin’s insistence of the ‘death panels’ being in the health care reform bill despite news organizations, the W.H., bi-partisan fact checkers, even Republican senators telling her she is wrong, just proves one thing. It is dangerous for any politician to not read well. The ability to read text and correctly interpret what the words mean should be a requirement for public office.
Palin is either lying or she can’t read very well.

Joseph Goebels said that if you repeat a lie often enough, sooner or later people will start believing it.

I thought death panel was chartered to figure out what to do with America if Palin got elected to anything. Thats before she didnt like end of life counciling for people in need.