President Obama Makes Local Pit Stop for Candy, Ice Cream
ABC News’ Karen Travers reports: President Obama spent part of his last day of vacation taking his daughters, Malia and Sasha, and his niece Suhaila, the daughter of First Sister Maya Soetoro Ng, out for some sugar. On a soggy dreary Sunday on Martha’s Vineyard, the Obamas paid a visit to Alley's General store in West Tisbury, just a few blocks away from the farm they are renting. The president told his daughters they could get “only one treat.” They chose push-up popsicles and astronaut ice cream (freeze dried). Next stop was nearby Garcia’s Deli and Bakery where the president greeted employees, chatted with the owner about the Vineyard’s golf courses, and took a group photo with the staff. “We wanted to stop by before we left,” the president said. Mr. Obama bought himself an oatmeal raisin cookie and some gum for Malia and Sasha. "This a classic, come on guys, ring me up,” he said at the register. Mr. Obama was sporting his trademark Chicago White Sox hat, which earned him some heckling from a local man who was presumably loyal to the Red Sox. The Red Sox took three out of four games against the White Sox earlier this week at Fenway Park. Baseball loyalties aside, the man told Mr. Obama he is doing a great job. The Obamas have spent the week at a rented estate in Chilmark on Martha’s Vineyard. They are scheduled to return to Washington later this evening and will take another short break next week, spending Wednesday through Sunday at the presidential retreat at Camp David. -Karen Travers
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When Michael Jackson died, some of his closest friends, brothers, family members, and hired workers say that they have never, ever, ever see Michael behave like he was on drugs. But some has voiced that he was a drug addict, going from cities to cities looking for doctors who would gave in to his addiction.
When Ted Kennedy died, most would say how great he was. But some would say his life contradicts – his drinking, womanizing, disloyalty.
The same will be with Mr. Obama. I would rather have a well-rounded news reporting, than the one-side view.
Posted by: young_voter | August 30, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
I don’t understand why someone would be critical of a story like this, it’s just an accounting of what happened on a President’s vacation, they run stories like this on all the Presidents, Republican or Democrat.
But, BTW, I love President Obama. Nobody’s perfect, but he genuinely seems to care about his country and tries to come up with innovative and thoughtful ideas.
Posted by: Jen | August 30, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
The President takes his children for ice cream and the anti-Obama types come out of the woodworks.
Always interesting to see how the totally biased ones manage to get in their digs regardless of the story.
Posted by: julieterra | August 30, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
..can ABCNews find anything else meaningless to write about??
Posted by: Steve | August 30, 2009, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
The All Barack Channel. All Barack, a;ll day, every day. If he doesn’t do anything meaningful, we’ll talke about his dog or what kind of ice cream he ate today.
Posted by: bo | August 30, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
“They are scheduled to return to Washington later this evening and will take another short break next week, spending Wednesday through Sunday at the presidential retreat at Camp David.”
Five days away, after a week’s vacation following the parks vacation is “another short break”?
Well . . . whatever.
Is there any chances that a presidential eating disorder contributes to the lack of backbone?
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 30, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
President Obama has such good taste. Oatmeal raisin cookies are my favorite too! I’ll never ever be able to eat another oatmeal raisin cookie without thinking of him….sigh…..he is the bestest president we ever had because he eats oatmeal raisin cookies. I bet that nasty old Bush never ate a good oatmeal raisin cookie in his life. Obama is so much better because he eats the best kind of cookies!!!
I think I have to go throw up now.
Posted by: bo | August 30, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“he is the bestest president we ever had”
Jeez, are you forgetting … Gerald Ford?
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 30, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Why in the H, is this news? This guy has gotten us SO FAR IN DEBT, we’re going to be paying for it in the next century and he stops for ice cream. How sweet. He couldn’t even run an ice cream store.
Posted by: Anna | August 30, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Were his thugs with him?
Posted by: Anna | August 30, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
President Obama is good family man.
We need more of those in this country.
I am glad that despite having to deal with all kind of problems foreign and domestic, he still manages to get quality time with his family.
FYI Bush took the whole month of August his first year in office. Unfortuanately he his administration didn’t take the warnings about Al-Qaeda seriously, that came in while he was on vacation.
Posted by: MrUniteUs | August 30, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Aw come on, it’s a sweet story.
Really, most Politicians are human beings and not the embodiment of evil and vice as some seem to believe. I loved Bush’s dog by the way. I guess that about covers it, kids and dogs … .
Posted by: Tim R. Even | August 30, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Every time Dubya went to Crawford to clean the stables at the fake ranch, which was pretty frequently, we had to hear about it on the news. You think they would’ve found something more relevant to write about than some guy with a fear of horses picking up horse apples at a fake ranch in Tejas.
Posted by: Jimmy SpearMint | August 30, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
“loved Bush’s dog by the way.”
Didn’t Barney bite some reporter, on his way out of Washington?
Where are the fotos of Beau’s frolics in the pricey waters of Martha’s Vineyard?
For all the months-long flap and flutter and sturm und drang about the Obama dog — and the Kennedy connection thereto! — the puff-hungry public has been subjected, after that introductory complete immersion, to suspiciously-few Beau stories.
Do the Obamas leave Beau at home with the help, during the endless vacations? Does Beau get airsick, bite people, or both? Has he been er re-homed again — wasn’t that the story of how Beau supposedly made it to the White House?
Is Beau er dead?
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 30, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“Obama’s mobster past”
More nonsense.
Posted by: julieterra | August 30, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
young_voter, we actually get considerably more information about presidents and other politicians now than we once did. There was a time when the flaws, foibles, personal scandals (and health problems) of our leaders were simply not reported, in a sort of “gentlemen’s agreement” with the press.
You learn much more than your grandparents did and probably more than your parents did as well. Ted Kennedy’s history wasn’t covered up; if Barack Obama turns out to have similar weaknesses and failings, we’ll hear about it, I assure you.
Posted by: Eleonora27 | August 30, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
I find all this name calling and political verbage your basic crap. How easily everyone forgets how 8 years of Bush ruined our image overseas, doubled our national debt, after blowing through a 500 Billion dollar surplus left by President Clinton, and this is President Obama’s fault, I believe not.
Posted by: Dale Moore | August 30, 2009, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
“‘Obama’s mobster past’
More nonsense.”
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Nooo, not nonsense: Giannoulias and Rezko, just for starters. Alas.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 30, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
“‘Obama’s mobster past’
More nonsense.”
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Nooo, not nonsense: Giannoulias and Rezko, just for starters. Alas.
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Typing two names and thinking you’ve proved anything is nonsense.
Posted by: julieterra | August 30, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
“Obama’s mobster past”
More nonsense.
Posted by: julieterra | Aug 30, 2009 4:12:06 PM
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Absolute nonsense. I agree. I was on a grand jury for 18 months here– the one dedicated to the organized crime cases. I can’t say anything about who was named in cases, but I can agree that tying Obama in to the whole “Chicago politcs” and mobster thing IS nonsense. Picking on the wrong horse(s).
Posted by: Alyson | August 30, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
I don’t understand why someone would be critical of a story like this, it’s just an accounting of what happened on a President’s vacation, they run stories like this on all the Presidents, Republican or Democrat.
But, BTW, I love President Obama. Nobody’s perfect, but he genuinely seems to care about his country and tries to come up with innovative and thoughtful ideas.
Posted by: Jen | Aug 30, 2009 2:31:42 PM
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Ditto. Don’t let the haters get you down:>)
Posted by: Alyson | August 30, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Must be a slow news day.Too bad it was a soggy, dreary day. In contrast it is a sunny,beautiful day in D.C.-he should have stayed at the White House!Then again…
Posted by: Nephron | August 30, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I never cared for Ted Kennedy but I will say one thing nice about him. Teddy Kennedy was a real animal lover. Having raised money for animal rescue for 25 years, I just don’t see a love of animals or any ability to relate to them when I look at the dog situation with the Obamas. Let’s just hope someone on the clean-up staff loves Bo.
Posted by: Linda | August 30, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
“Just that He was/is funded by mobsters, is all . . .”
Again, typing something does not make it true . . . much as you seem to like to pretend it does.
Nor does it at all confirm “Obama’s mobster past”. Nonsense.
Posted by: julieterra | August 30, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Does anyone believe that President Obama (or any other President) will be able to beat Bush’s 487 Days At Camp David, 480 days at his Texas ranch and a some extra time at his family’s compound in Kennebunkport? I think not…..
His many vacations kept Bush’s mind sharp as a tack.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
Posted by: JIm | August 30, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
“His many vacations kept Bush’s mind sharp as a tack.”
ROFL!!! Are we thinking of the same person? The Bush I’m thinking of, his mind was as sharp as a beach ball.
But what’s with the play-by-play of Obama’s life here? What’s next? “Obama stops off and uses a public restroom”?
Posted by: Hosfac | August 30, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
President Obama is good family man.
Posted by: MrUniteUs | Aug 30, 2009 3:04:29 PM
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Have you any proof of this?
Posted by: Eyes Open | August 30, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Crack investigative report Karen Travers has done it again:
“President Obama Makes Local Pit Stop for Candy, Ice Cream’
I mean, wow. Sham wow! This folks is how investigative reporting is done!
Posted by: BH | August 30, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Yesterdays anti-health care rally in Austin:
“I hate that flag up there,” Kilgore said pointing to the American flag flying over the Capitol. “I hate the United States government…We hate the United States!”
Them there’s some news! Chew on that
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
How come nobody said,” Is this news?”
Posted by: catleya | August 30, 2009, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
“Another White House Press release”
Give her a break, first of all, at least it isn’t a press release about something important. On the other hand, it isn’t the usual “Obama champions health care but gives his kids unhealthy candy” kind of crap we usually hear from Jake.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
As of this morning, an astonishing 42% of likely voters now “strongly disapprove” of Mr. Obama’s performance in office. Overall, voters disapprove of him by a 52-47 margin.
Barely seven months ago our nation was imbued with hope, with the promise that this extraordinary post-partisan man would bring us together. Now he has squandered it all, and has revealed himself as a routine Chicago-style pol.
It borders on tragedy.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Most Americans are having a hard time understanding why reforms that are favored by up to 80% of the population are considered “impossible to pass” in congress. Obama DOES deserve some of the blame for that.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Fascist Hyena:”As of this morning, an astonishing 42% of likely voters now “strongly disapprove” of Mr. Obama’s performance in office. Overall, voters disapprove of him by a 52-47 margin.”
Could you define “likely voter”? No? It is a proprietary, completely black box adjustment Rassmussen (a polling firm with a documented Republican house effect in the past years) applies to all their poll results before releasing? And his ratings in real polls looks to trend below 50% within 10 months of his election (close to Reagan’s timeframe for the traditional slump)?
Wow. How compelling.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Julieterra and Alyson, here are some facts:
1. Frank Marshall Davis was Barack Obama’s mentor and father-figure for 5 years during his teenage years. Frank Marshall Davis was a Communist agitator and recruiter.
2. Barack Obama studied for several years under the principles of Saul Alinsky–a Communist/Marxist, the founder of modern community organizing (Obama’s forte!)
3. Barack Obama was mentored by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. for some 20 years–a Black Liberation Theologist.
4. President Obama appointed Van Jones as Green Jobs Czar–a self-proclaimed Communist, who in 1994 formed STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement).
5. President Obama appointed Mark Lloyd as Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer of the FCC–a Marxist who lamented the fact that non-state-run radio stations prevented Hugo Chavez’s “incredible revolution,” and who stated: “…and came back and had another revolution. And Chavez then started to take the media very seriously in this country.”
Just a coincidence? I think not!
Posted by: James Danley | August 30, 2009, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Danley, what makes me sad about your post is that I havent seen any evidence of Marxism in either Obama’s legislative agenda, or in his leadership style.
If he’s really a sleeper, I’d say it about time to wake up right about now!
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Flash Overide, during the 2008 campaign and even now, Sen. Obama’s rhetoric promotes some of the principles of, at best, Socialism. He supports wealth redistribution. He promotes class warfare. He demonizes Corporate America. He advocated doing away with the “your-on-your-on” society. Actually he eluded to that as an “ownership society,” so one can infer that Sen. Obama might actually lean towards doing away with some forms of ownership. Only time will tell!
Posted by: James Danley | August 30, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
“2. Barack Obama studied for several years under the principles of Saul Alinsky–a Communist/Marxist, the founder of modern community organizing (Obama’s forte!)”
James Danley | Aug 30, 2009 8:37:34 PM
And every one of our military officers has studied the Blitzkrieg, so I guess they’ve studied under the principles of Hitler for several years? Or that time crunch Sun Tzu means they learned all about supporting oppressive dictatorship?
What nonsense.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
A socialist would not advocate the type of health insurance reform that Obama does. A socialist would advocate
-abolishing private health insurance
-giving all health care workers government employment
-opening up the medical schools to all who are capable, for free
-subsidizing physicians so they can afford all needed medical equipment
-taking back all the medical patents funded or developed by the government
-funding massive government efforts to reach people in need of health care
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Danley, just because Obama does not advocate stealing as much from the working class as Bush did, that doesn’t make him a socialist.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
“1. Frank Marshall Davis was Barack Obama’s mentor and father-figure for 5 years during his teenage years.”
James Danley | Aug 30, 2009 8:37:34 PM
You regurgitate garbage for the Obama Nation hit piece book and think that proves anything? Suddenly a friend of Obama’s grandfather becomes Obama’s “mentor and father-figure for 5 years” because you want to push guilt by association? No wonder you take McCarthy’s witch hunt House Un-American Activities Committee as “proof” Mr Davis was a Communist.
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
“He promotes class warfare.”
Class warfare is killing 20.000 poor people a year by denying them health coverage.
Class warfare in kind would be to kill 20,000 insurance executives in retaliation.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Rasmussen is the very best in the business at identifying the likely voter. That’s why he was the single most accurate predicter of the 2008 outcome.
But why quibble? Last week Rasmussen and Gallup had identical numbers. Pick any pollster you want–the trends are the same in all of them, and what they show is that Obama has squandered his goodwill while accomplishing nothing but a record deficit that is more than three times the previous record.
I am sorry if Rasmussen’s numbers infuriate some of the more hopelessly besotted Obama cheerleaders. The wiser heads among his supporters pay close attention to them, and they are right to be very concerned.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
If Obama represents “class warfare” all I have to say is that he is the Benedict Arnold of class warfare.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
“Class warfare is killing 20.000 poor people a year by denying them health coverage.”
No one has denied it to them. Period.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Fascist, its too bad that we don’t have “none of the above” as an option in federal elections.
You are falling into a logical fallacy, by equating general approval numbers to election numbers.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Fascist, most of us do not subscribe to your “survival of the fittest” ideology.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
“You are falling into a logical fallacy, by equating general approval numbers to election numbers.”
Simply stated, I have done no such thing.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
“Rasmussen is the very best in the business at identifying the likely voter. That’s why he was the single most accurate predicter of the 2008 outcome.
But why quibble?”
Fascist Hyena | Aug 30, 2009 9:11:05 PM
Because I’m annoyed when you substitute lies for reality. Rasmussen was NOT the most accurate predictor of 2008, you’re repeating a lie started by a preliminary (paid) analysis by a single Fordham professor who looked at a single race. He did not even use the final results, and the final results knocked Rasmussen out of the number one spot (for that single race – of course, anyone who cares about polls looks at there predictive accuracy across the slate of races).
So yeah, lies annoy me.
As for Obama’s drop, it’s on par with Reagan’s (in equivalent or arguably worse financial circumstances). I don’t have a problem with it. I have a problem with people lying about factual information like the most accurate pollsters or what their documented house effects are. (Rassmussen was mediocre at best in their state race polling (beaten by PPP, CNN/Time, Strategic Vision and Zogby (? these guys just got lucky), and Research 2000.)
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
If you have done no such thing then please explain why there has been no corresponding jump in approval of any of Obama’s potential opponents.
Hmmmm?
The problem you’re facing in getting excited about Obama’s falling approval numbers is the fact that the fall in approval does not come from people who didn’t support him in the past, it comes from people who did support him in the past.
Essentially, you are excited because people feel that Obama hasn’t been hard enough on the Blue Dogs and that his health care proposals do not go far enough.
That aside, what is the logic of using a ‘likely voter screen’ in a poll that doesn’t ask people to vote on anything?
Posted by: Flash Override | August 30, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
What truly annoys Mr. 539 is the rapid disillusionment in the electorate with a man in whom fools invested so much hope.
Rasmussen’s uncanny accuracy is well documented, but enen if we discount him altogether the drastic shift in the nation’s assessment of Mr. Obama is quite plainly undeniable.
The Obama supporters seem not only unhappy, but even angry with the way things are going. That’s too bad–I wish they could share my unbridled joy with the current state of play.
Oh, what delight!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“What truly annoys Mr. 539 is the rapid disillusionment in the electorate with a man in whom fools invested so much hope.”
Fascist Hyena | Aug 30, 2009 9:44:12 PM
? Nate Silver (the number cruncher behind fivethirtyeight) doesn’t seem annoyed at all by that. As is typical with him, he called Obama’s rating slide months ago based on analysis of past trends corrected for economic conditions.
I’m pleased with Obama so far, and feel he’s proven a better option than McCain (comparing any president to our last one is a fool’s game; Bush Jr was a bad outlier).
And having caught you in a few blatant lies now, I’ll be sure you relegate you to the low credibility, just waving ‘your side’s’ foam finger crowd.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Recalling how Mr. Bush was routinely excoriated for taking vacations while the nation is at war, I feel a certain responsibility to point out that this became the deadliest month in the history of the Afghan war while Mr. Obama was gallivanting about in the rich man’s paradise of Martha’s Vineyard. I know that the troops will be inspired.
Remember when things like record war-time casualties were regularly described in the press as “grim milestones” while Bush was in office? We don’t seem to hear that kind of thing these days.
But the people take notice. If you doubt that, check Rasmussen.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Hey Fascist, why not take the current Rasmussen -10 Approval Index, stick a percent sign on the end, and claim a huge drop in the daily approval rating. After all, when your comrade mjishernameo tried that neat little trick the other day, you seemed to have no problem with it.
Posted by: Numeros | August 30, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Flash Override:
—abolishing private health insurance
Many of us believe that a public option will eliminate the private sector. But this belief is not limited to Conservatives:
*Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) speaking before an audience on April 18, 2009 said: “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who then argued against the public health insurance public option saying, ‘It wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single payer.’” To which the crowd erupted into a huge applause. She then followed with, “He was right. The man was right.”
*Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) said on July 27, 2009: “I think if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that’s the best way to reach single payer.”
—giving all health care workers government employment
If the private sector is eliminated leaving the public option as the sole healthcare provider being run by the federal government, then ALL health care workers would end up being government employees.
—opening up the medical schools to all who are capable, for free
I’m not aware of this in any of the current healthcare reform plans.
—subsidizing physicians so they can afford all needed medical equipment
I’m not aware of this in any of the current healthcare reform plans.
—taking back all the medical patents funded or developed by the government
I’m not aware of this in any of the current healthcare reform plans.
—funding massive government efforts to reach people in need of health care
HR 3200 mandates everyone have healthcare insurance. It could take “massive” funding to enforce this.
Posted by: James Danley | August 30, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Just a coincidence? I think not!
Posted by: James Danley | Aug 30, 2009 8:37:34 PM
James, you already know I think you’re super duper paranoid and that I don’t believe in either guilt by association or that learning about something– say Marxism while in high school or college– marks someone for life. Obama is a smart guy who is widely read and has hung with people from all walks of life. I LIKE that about him. I live in Chicago. I’ve met William Ayers myself. One of my very good friends goes to Trinity Church and sings in the 200-plus member choir which raises the roof and is accompanied by a saxophone which makes my heart soar. I’ve heard Jeremiah Wright preach. I shook his hand. He was nice. I had a professor who was a Marxist and we had coffee together a lot. On the other side of the fence, I have an ultraconservative wing of my family who listens to (nearly worships) Rush Limbaugh. I went through a libertarian phase, and read Ayn Rand and pontificated about Friedman, Hayek and Reagan. So what, man. So what?? I’d be horrified to be associated with “going Galt” or Limbaugh. Ultimately, I found Rand ridiculously selfish and quirky.I’m not a conservativ, but I’m not a Marxist either. I’m sorry, but the way you think is over the top, rigid and beyond the pale, IMHO. I don’t need to hear those facts again. You’ve gone on and on about them. Obviously, you can post what you’d like, but there’s no need to direct them to me. I find them wholly unpersuasive. They just make me question your judgment, not the President’s. (And, btw, Van Johnson is cool!!)
Posted by: Alyson | August 30, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Numeros, the reason I don’t do as you suggest is that doing so would not seem to make sense.
I find it surprising that you purport to know whether or not I had a problem with some unknown thing done by someone I have never heard of.
Just read Rasmussen. The numbers speak for themselves.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 30, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
BO is going to need a new home in 2013.
Martha’s Vineyard seems the perfect match for a Harvard elitist, celebrity, and ex-president.
He’s all about images and seems to love the lifestyle of the rich and famous.
Obama has already made history and that seems to be what is most important to him.
Posted by: jack | August 30, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Top Headlines……….Obama makes pit stop for ice cream and candy…My god when the heck is he going to get to work getting american’s back to work so we can have a pit stop for ice cream and cany with our children .Obama doesn’t seem to be worried that american’s are losing their jobs and theri homes , Will he ever get it, I really don’t think he will, This country is going down and going down fast since he’s been in office…God help and God bless america from this man.
Posted by: Candobetter | August 30, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Per James:
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Many of us believe that a public option will eliminate the private sector. But this belief is not limited to Conservatives:
*Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) speaking before an audience on April 18, 2009 said: “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who then argued against the public health insurance public option saying, ‘It wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single payer.’” To which the crowd erupted into a huge applause. She then followed with, “He was right. The man was right.”
*Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) said on July 27, 2009: “I think if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that’s the best way to reach single payer.”
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This is old news and it’s no secret that there are many liberals who prefer single payer. In fact they may get to vote for single payer on the floor. They are being very transparent about their desires. It doesn’t follow that all Dems are in support of this. In fact, that isn’t the case. Pretending to know otherwise is conjecture and make believe.
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Also from James–
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—giving all health care workers government employment
If the private sector is eliminated leaving the public option as the sole healthcare provider being run by the federal government, then ALL health care workers would end up being government employees.
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First that if is a huge and make believe IF since that’s not what is on the table. But, second, even if one goes along with the what if game, single payer doesn’t necessarily mean government run health care. It CAN mean that, but there are many examples (see France) where that’s NOT the case. So, this again in conjecture and make believe.
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Get informed!!
Posted by: Alyson | August 30, 2009, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
James Danley:”Many of us believe that a public option will eliminate the private sector. ”
That simply speaks to the bedrock ignorance Republicans count on to stay in power. There are public insurance options in many other countries that HAVE NOT eliminated private options.
The Right’s cliche’ doublethink is so strong that I have seen a single post both insist a public option will kill private options AND argue the rise of private options in the past few years in Canada is ‘proof’ the public option does not work. Think about the absurdity of that for a moment!
FedEx, UPS, US Post Office is another classic example of REALITY that shines a light on the Right’s fantasy world.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
“Recalling how Mr. Bush was routinely excoriated for taking vacations while the nation is at war,”
Fascist Hyena | Aug 30, 2009 10:12:30 PM
Citation please, or we’ll just have to assume your “recalling” is just another radical distortion of the truth. Lets look at history: After Bush’s first summer vacation, 9/11 occurred. Bush promptly registered the highest approval ratings in modern polling and the entire nation, press, Congress, and indeed world (a bit nervously as the US was clearly and justifiably looking for who to hit back at) uncritically rallied behind him. DOCUMENTED HISTORY shows your recollection is indeed just another lie.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 30, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
“FedEx, UPS, US Post Office is another classic example of REALITY that shines a light on the Right’s fantasy world.”
Yes, let’s sink into JHW’s world of “unassailable reality” and find out just how well his “smoking gun” proof holds up when strung out in light of all the facts.
Per a New York Time’s article on 8/7/09 regarding the USPS:
“But the last few years have been brutal. The Postal Service lost more than $5 billion in 2007, and another $2.4 billion in 2008. And, of course, it is on track to lose that whopping $7 billion in the current fiscal year. (Its fiscal year ends in September.) The amount of mail being sent is dropping like a stone — it will be down to 175 billion pieces in 2009. Mr. Potter has reduced the Postal Service’s head count to 650,000, from 800,000, almost entirely through attrition. He has cut costs every way he can think of. And still the losses mount.”
So we take the amount of debt the USPS is in and then add in a fair multiple amount for what the health care boondoggle would look like against the much smaller relative cost of his example (1/7 of the U.S. Economy vs. the USPS) and we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars of loses per year. Yup, those Republicans are such “illogical liars.” But hey, why worry about true reality when calling Republicans stupid is way more cool and holding blindly to your ideology is way more comforting.
Posted by: BH | August 30, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
BH seems to have totally missed the point. jhw was responding to this statement . ..
James Danley:”Many of us believe that a public option will eliminate the private sector.”
jwh’s response (in part) was: “FedEx, UPS, US Post Office is another classic example of REALITY that shines a light on the Right’s fantasy world.”
The point goes to jwh since he illustrated clearly that private enterprise (FedEx, UPS) has been able to survive abundantly in the face of a ‘public option’ (Post Office).
Posted by: julieterra | August 30, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
“BH seems to have totally missed the point. jhw was responding to this statement …”
Not at all. I was just pointing out how jhw, in true liberal fashion, fails to account for his example in all facets of an argument. Sure, his examples works for debunking the myth he was referring to and I don’t begrudge him that, but in doing so, he opens the door to the reckless fiscal irresponsibility his ideas and ideology invites.
Posted by: BH | August 30, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
“Sure, his examples works for debunking the myth he was referring to”
Exactly.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
If you’re looking for a detailed discussion of how long the Post Office loses money and why the Post Office loses money, I’m sure there are many reports that could be fruitfully researched and cited.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Why does Mr. Obama oppose our Democratic ally Honduras’s efforts to enforce its own laws? Why can’t they be a nation of laws?
It’s shameful. No wonder so many people now strongly disapprove of him.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | August 31, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Uh, JHW. I did a 10 second search on Google and found no less than 50 scathing articles from various MSM sources about Bush’s vacations. I tried posting a great deal of them for you, but that post was deleted.
Nevertheless, your propensity to sling around the “liar label” makes you look really silly to anyone who knows how to use Google.
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:18 am 12:18 am
“Exactly.”
No, not even close…
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
“Why does Mr. Obama oppose our Democratic ally Honduras’s efforts to enforce its own laws?”
Like almost all of the other democratic country in the world, the United States (and President Obama) opposed the military overthrow of an elected President and the removal of that President into exile by military force.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
“Obama will never come close to taking the amount of holidays Bush took – but if and when he does…”
Uh, yeah.
He’ll never come close. <–Absolute Statement.
"..but if and when he does…"<–Contradictory, squishy, relativistic statement.
This is the kind of "hope changey thinking" that gets us into these trillion dollar boondoggles.
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:25 am 12:25 am
“Recalling how Mr. Bush was routinely excoriated for taking vacations while the nation is at war,”
Fascist Hyena | Aug 30, 2009 10:12:30 PM
BH – The specific issue was Bush being excoriated for taking vacations during WAR – not just Bush being chided for taking vacations. (Of course Bush was criticized for his vacation time – he set new records!)
Quit distoring things to make a false point.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:26 am 12:26 am
BH regrettable you can’t follow a point logically.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:27 am 12:27 am
“BH – The specific issue was Bush being excoriated for taking vacations during WAR – not just Bush being chided for taking vacations.”
We’re not at war any longer? Really? Al-Qaeda surrendered and our troops are home? Who knew? Oh yeah, we have a President pretending we’re not at war…that’s it….
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am
“We’re not at war any longer? Really? Al-Qaeda surrendered and our troops are home? Who knew? Oh yeah, we have a President pretending we’re not at war…that’s it….”
Sorry, you missed the point. You go back and read the exchanges carefully and you may get a glimmmer.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am
I thought it was kind of funny how much criticism the leader of the party of ‘do nothing’ government got for taking vacations. It reminded me of that Far Side cartoon where the crocodile confesses in court: “-of course I did it in cold blood you idiot, I’m a reptile.” Instead of sitting around in Washington not doing what he was supposed to be not doing he went and got some chores done at the ranch.
Posted by: Skip | August 31, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am
“Sorry, you missed the point.”
Right. Asserting Bush was fair game for taking a vacations during a time of war cannot be applied to the current President for taking a vacation during a time of war – this of course, is the real, true point insinuated that I must agree with in order to avoid being called a liar or ignorant or whatever insult is in vogue by liberals these days. Got it.
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“Asserting Bush was fair game for taking a vacations during a time of war cannot be applied to the current President for taking a vacation during a time of war”
No BH – you went off in search of criticism of Bush taking holidays and found lots – because he took so many holidays. Bush got criticized for taking SO MANY holidays – not for taking “a vacation during a time of war”.
That you can’t see the distinction says a lot about you, not much about the President.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Julie…
Here’s what jhw wrote regarding FH’s point: “Citation please, or we’ll just have to assume your “recalling” is just another radical distortion of the truth.”
To FH’s point, I then mocked the idea that such criticism couldn’t be backed up with citations.
To your leaps of logic from there, about what you presume other people were thinking or responding to, I just basically treated your responses as if I was responding to a cartoon character.
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Julieterra wrote: “The point goes to jwh since he illustrated clearly that private enterprise (FedEx, UPS) has been able to survive abundantly in the face of a ‘public option’ (Post Office).”
Except that FedEx and UPS are barred from providing first class mail.
Now if Congress forced FedEx and UPS to have every package insured to a minimum of $100.00; and at the same time Congress raised taxes in order to have tax payers not only cover the insurance on all packages for USPS customers, but tax payers would also subsidize 25% of the cost of mailing a package by USPS. That would undercut FEDex and UPS who would loose customers.
That is no different than Congress banning annual and lifetime caps and banning discrimination of existing conditions forcing the private sector to greatly raise their premiums. Yet at the same time, since the public option is a non-profit entity their costs would already be much cheaper before the private sector raised their premiums because of the mandated changes. The private sector will be unable to compete.
Posted by: James Danley | August 31, 2009, 1:06 am 1:06 am
“Except that FedEx and UPS are barred from providing first class mail.”
How exactly are you defining ‘first class mail’?
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 1:09 am 1:09 am
“Yet at the same time, since the public option is a non-profit entity their costs would already be much cheaper before the private sector raised their premiums because of the mandated changes. The private sector will be unable to compete.”
This is really and excellent point here and a death blow to the liberal thinking that believes that the “public option” (government option is more accurate) will just operate in a vacuum, a parallel universe or on some planet where we’ll all have infinite choices with no price increases and/or rationing of care.
Posted by: BH | August 31, 2009, 1:38 am 1:38 am
“Yet at the same time, since the public option is a non-profit entity their costs would already be much cheaper before the private sector raised their premiums because of the mandated changes. The private sector will be unable to compete.”
It’s already been shown that UPS and FedEx have survived economically when placed opposite a ‘public option’ – the Post Office.
It’s also already been shown that private insurance companies survive and do just fine in other countries where there is a public option in health care.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 1:41 am 1:41 am
First Class Mail — Postcards, letters, large envelopes (flats) and small packages.
Posted by: James Danley | August 31, 2009, 1:58 am 1:58 am
“Except that FedEx and UPS are barred from providing first class mail.”
First Class Mail — Postcards, letters, large envelopes (flats) and small packages.
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I’ve sent all of those (except postcards) by FedEx.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Do we really need to know every minute detail of the Obama’s lives? I don’t see why the media feels the need to inform us every time the president takes his daughters out for ice cream! It’s boring and it’s ridiculous!
Another thing thing that I think is even more ridiculous, though, is the fact that the Obamas are going to spend the weekend at Camp David after spending all summer on vacation, most recently over a week at the $50,000.00 a week estate on Martha’s Vineyard. When is the president going to spend time in Washington doing the job he was elected to do and is being paid to do?
Posted by: JimVgirl | August 31, 2009, 2:06 am 2:06 am
“Another thing thing that I think is even more ridiculous, though, is the fact that the Obamas are going to spend the weekend at Camp David after spending all summer on vacation”
That is a straight lie.
Posted by: julieterra | August 31, 2009, 2:20 am 2:20 am
“That is a straight lie.”
No, it’s a crooked lie.
Posted by: Rudy | August 31, 2009, 2:28 am 2:28 am
“Like almost all of the other democratic country in the world, the United States (and President Obama) opposed the military overthrow of an elected President and the removal of that President into exile by military force.”
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You are mischaracterizing it. It was a constitutional process.
Posted by: tanarg | August 31, 2009, 2:59 am 2:59 am
From what I have read, it’s illegal for the delivery of most types of mail, include letters, postcards, catalogs, magazines and bills other than through the USPS. The only exception is for “urgent” mail (the law requires that what you send must be “urgent”). However, the delivery charge must be at least $3.00 or offer the service for free.
Posted by: James Danley | August 31, 2009, 3:19 am 3:19 am
PRIVATE HEALTH INS IS THE WORSE FORM OF HEALTH INS THERE IS. EXCEPT…… NATIONAL HEALTH INS. YOU DON”T TRASH YOUR CAR BECAUSE OF A BAD ALTERNATOR – YOU FIX IT. DUH!! ARE THESE POLITICAL HACKS NUTS OR WHAT???
Posted by: Manitu | August 31, 2009, 5:41 am 5:41 am
As Charles P Pierce has noted in his book titled Idiot America : “the Internet, far from letting information be free, has devolved into a chaotic forum where ignorance spreads like a virus. The culture wars are over. The idiots have won.”
Posted by: David | August 31, 2009, 8:22 am 8:22 am
“You are mischaracterizing it. It was a constitutional process.”
julieterra is right about Honduras, and also wrong. tanarg is just flat out wrong.
Obama SAID that he opposed the military coup, but refused to call it a coup. Since the military in Honduras wouldn’t survive a day without US aid, and Obama did nothing to suspend that aid (which is illegal to send if its going to a coup) it is misleading to say that Obama “opposed the military overthrow”.
The constitution of Honduras was violated by the military coup. There seem to be some people who believe that the Honduran Supreme Court ordered the coup. This is not the case at all. In fact, they rejected that option when asked for it by the Public Prosecutor.
Posted by: Flash Override | August 31, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
“the president told his daughters they could get “only one treat.”
Anyone else feel like the same sort of thinking applied by The One to Sasha and Malia is also applied by him to us humble taxpayers? I certainly do…particularly with regards to his advocacy of a single-payer health care system.
Posted by: tjp612 | August 31, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
I find it curious that whenever Bush went on vacation, Cindy Sheehan would continue protesting outside his vacation spot. The media loved it. When Obama goes on vacation, Cindy Sheehan still protests, same as when Bush was president, but the media ignores it and instead focuses on Obama buying his children candy and ice cream. To read this article, you’d never know that Cindy Sheehan was protesting outside of Obama’s vacation home.
Posted by: me again | August 31, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
“I find it curious that whenever Bush went on vacation, Cindy Sheehan would continue protesting outside his vacation spot. The media loved it.”
The media covered it the first time she did so in 2005, not so much thereafter.
“When Obama goes on vacation, Cindy Sheehan still protests, same as when Bush was president, but the media ignores it”
It was written about on this very blog.
But facts seem to provoke an allergic reaction in right wingers.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 31, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
The missing term in all the health care discussions is “co-pay”.
When a doc accepts less from the insurance – public or private , the difference is made up by, hum, let me see, oh yes,
ME.
Posted by: HH | September 3, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
I feel that the President should be entitled to go on a holiday to Hawaii without criticism. It is too much.
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